1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: This is the best of the Dog dot Liab Show 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio. 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 2: It's the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. He's 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 2: a New York Times best selling author, longtime sports un 5 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 2: sports writer, covering, among other things, that the National Football League, 6 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 2: and he's authored a new book that's called Brady Versus 7 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 2: Belichick The Dynasty Debate, which is out today wherever you 8 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 2: get your books are online if you get audio books 9 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 2: as well. Gary Myers joins us now on The Doug 10 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 2: Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio, and Gary, what what 11 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 2: pushed you to write this book? 12 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 3: Doug? I think that, you know, I'm always looking for 13 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 3: interesting topics to write books about, and this one in 14 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 3: particular just kind of jumped out of me that I 15 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 3: think it's truly like the greatest unanswered debate in NFL history. 16 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 3: There's no real right or wrong answer, but everybody has 17 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 3: an opinion on it. So I decided that it was. 18 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 3: It was so intriguing to me, Becau because there were 19 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 3: you know, highs and lows, ebbs and flows during the 20 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 3: twenty years together, where early on it was Belichick, then 21 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 3: it was both of them, and then it was Brady. 22 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 3: I guess just set out to talk to as many 23 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 3: people as I possibly could and put together something that 24 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 3: I thought would be like the defensive look at the 25 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 3: Brady Belichick era, you know, strictly through the lens of 26 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 3: who deserves the most credit? 27 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 2: Okay, so what was the process like? How did you 28 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 2: how did you dive into finding out who deserves the 29 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 2: most credit? 30 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 3: Well? I talked to I talked to a lot of 31 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 3: the players that played for Belichick and were teammates with Tom. 32 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 3: I talked to a bunch of coaches who went against them. 33 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 3: I looked into their legacies and how they were each 34 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 3: impacted by the controversies, you know, Spygate into Flate date, 35 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 3: and how that would how history would look at them 36 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 3: as a result of that, and whether that would change 37 00:01:56,360 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 3: any of their accomplishments. I think my favorite chapter in 38 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 3: the book really is about Moe Lewis, who was the 39 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 3: Jets linebackers. I'm sure you remember who blasted Drew Bletsoe 40 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 3: in that game in two thousand and one in Foxborough 41 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 3: that began the Brady era, and Lewis has become sort 42 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 3: of a recluse from football because Jet fans and I 43 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 3: think very unfairly Doug blame him for the Patriot dynasty 44 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 3: because they're saying, if he didn't do that to Bledsoe, 45 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,119 Speaker 3: then we never would have heard of Tom Brady, which 46 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 3: isn't true because Belchip loved Brady even before he stepped 47 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 3: on the field. But all Lewis was doing was what 48 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 3: he was paid to do. He was a linebacker and 49 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 3: drew Bletsoe at a third and ten. He was running 50 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 3: around the right end trying to get a first down 51 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 3: on a third and ten and the Jets were up 52 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 3: seven with five minutes to go, and he was expecting 53 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 3: Bletsoe to run out of bounds. He wanted him to 54 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 3: run out of bounds to said. He cut it into 55 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 3: side and his left shoulder or his right shoulder, hed 56 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 3: bloods so on the left side of his chest and 57 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 3: it was the most brutal hit I ever seen, And 58 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 3: so Mo is very resentful of Jet fans blaming him. 59 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 3: What happened after that when all that really needed to 60 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 3: happen was that just had to figure out a way 61 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 3: to beat the Patriots, which I only did once and then 62 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 3: happened to me in the playoffs, you know, But so 63 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 3: Moe has become somewhat of a football recluse that he 64 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 3: just he was okay. I had to talk him into 65 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 3: talking to me, but once he once he did, I mean, 66 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 3: he was, he was great. But I kind of hung 67 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 3: up the phone feeling bad for him that a big 68 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 3: part of his life is no longer a part of 69 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 3: his life because he feels like, you know, he's just 70 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 3: been blamed, and it's kind of ridiculous. But that's the way. 71 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 2: It's so ridiculous, you know, it's funny, Gary, I was 72 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: that was the first weekend That was the first weekend's 73 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 2: game after nine to eleven, absolutely, and I believe it 74 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 2: was Sunday Sunday Night football. 75 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 3: No, actually it was a four clock I think it 76 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 3: was four. 77 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 2: O'clock, okay, And I was. I was watching it at 78 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 2: Siders in Plainville, Connecticut. You're like, well, why do you know? 79 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 2: Because that was that was my first chance. I was 80 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 2: still playing professional basketball, but nothing was going on overseas, 81 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 2: so I got to fill in for Todd Wright all night. 82 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 2: And somewhere there's probably a tape kept where I said, 83 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 2: Drew Bledsoe's out, like the Patriots are done, you know, 84 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 2: and and you know, obviously I can I can eat 85 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 2: my words today. It's it is fascinating, right. I mean, 86 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 2: he went to Tampa and he won a Super Bowl, 87 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 2: and I I would point out that Belichick, you know, 88 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 2: one year he won seven games I think it was 89 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 2: seven games with Cam Newton as quarterback who couldn't throw 90 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 2: the ball anymore. Right, They won games with less than 91 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 2: one hundred yards pass it, And I thought that might 92 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 2: have been his best coaching job ever. But as you 93 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 2: kind of broke into all of these interviews, what's the 94 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 2: general sense you got from players now that they're kind 95 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 2: of removed from the situation. 96 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean as far as the Cam Newton situation 97 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 3: was concerned, I think that really accentuates the point that Belichick, 98 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 3: for whatever reason, was completely unprepared for the post Brady era. 99 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 3: Even though he pushed him out the door, he didn't 100 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 3: have the successor in the building. He wanted it to 101 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 3: be Garoppolo, but I think Jimmy was getting antsy to play. 102 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 3: But more than that, Brady wanted him out of the building, 103 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 3: and Kraft forced Belichick to trade Garoppolo and he wound 104 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 3: up trading him to the Niners. Now it turns out, 105 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 3: you know, Tom is in the seventeen season and the 106 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 3: eighteen season got back to the Super Bowl again, So 107 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 3: he wasn't anywhere near Don and so Groppolo probably would 108 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 3: have left anyhow, But that didn't prevent Belichick from trying 109 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 3: to find a quarterback because at some point Brady he 110 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 3: was going to stop playing. It turns out he stopped 111 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 3: playing for the Patriots because Belichick didn't want him anymore. 112 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 3: But that was I think that really illustrated how Belichick 113 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 3: lost his touch with personnel, both in drafting and in 114 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 3: signing free agents. That he lets Brady walk out the 115 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 3: door without having somebody that said, Okay, this guy's going 116 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 3: to play instead. And you know, the next year that 117 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 3: drafted Mac Jones and they made the playoffs and they 118 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 3: lose by thirty points to the Bills. And then he 119 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 3: brings in I think it was in twenty two, maybe 120 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 3: it was twenty two. He brings in Matt brings Matt 121 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 3: Patricia back and Joe Judge back, a defensive coach and 122 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 3: a special teams coach who failed his head coaches with 123 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,559 Speaker 3: the Lions and the Giants, and he brings them back 124 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 3: as Matt Jones's coaches. And you got a guy who 125 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 3: made the playoffs as a rookie, and you're trying to 126 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 3: build on it, and you make his coaches a special 127 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 3: team's coach and a defensive coach, and you know, not surprisingly, 128 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 3: Mac Jones won completely backwards. So I think overall the 129 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 3: feelings from the players was that Belichick was extremely instrumental 130 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 3: in the early years of Brady, and I think you'd 131 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 3: have to be foolished not to think that way. But 132 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 3: as as the years went on and Tom, you know, 133 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 3: went from being okay, only Peyton Manning is better to well, 134 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 3: he's good as Peyton Manning. Then he's better than Peyton Manning. 135 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 3: Now is he as good as Joe Montana. No, he's 136 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 3: better than Joe Montana. As he took those progressive steps, 137 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 3: it became more Bradist team than Belichick's team. And I 138 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 3: think the last seven years was completely Brady. 139 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 2: Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports, Trader the great 140 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 2: Gary Meyers joining us. He's written this new book it's 141 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 2: about Brady and Belichick, the dynasty debate. I think that's 142 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 2: it's just fascinating, it's absolutely fascinating. Is that why Belichick's 143 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: back coaching at college? 144 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 3: Ye? Well, if he wants to prove it. Come on, 145 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 3: without Brady, He's not going to prove it by being 146 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 3: in North Carolina unless he wins the national championship, which 147 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 3: I mean, I follow college football somewhat, but I don't 148 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 3: foresee that happening in North Carolina. So I don't know. 149 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 3: I think he's in North Carolina, Doug because he loves 150 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 3: to coach, and he didn't have anything else he wanted 151 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 3: to do, and he still felt he had the passion 152 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 3: for it, and he knew he wasn't going to get 153 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 3: a job in the NFL, so he took the job 154 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 3: at Carolina. It's the worst time, I mean, as you know, 155 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 3: to be a college coach at like in a major university, 156 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 3: because you got to deal with the NILS and the 157 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 3: transfer portal and you have to re recruit your team 158 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 3: every year. I mean, who wants that when you've never 159 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,439 Speaker 3: coached in college before. So it just shows how desperate 160 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 3: he was to coach again, that he'd throw himself into 161 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 3: the most chaotic time in college sports history. 162 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 2: Well, can I give you another, maybe a different way 163 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 2: of of looking at it. I don't know if I 164 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 2: don't know if it's desperate or if it's arrogant. And 165 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 2: here's how what the NFL people have told me. And again, 166 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 2: you've done research, you've done a book. I'm just you know, 167 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 2: sports radio and now coaching. Okay, so but they said, hey, 168 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 2: you know what Belichick and those guys did best with 169 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 2: They were the best at the waiver wire of anybody. 170 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 2: They could find a guy who hit Wes Welker, you know, 171 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 2: and turn him into a superstar. And I think there's 172 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 2: an arrogance there to where I love Michael Lombarty, he's 173 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 2: actually a family friend, and but there's an arrogance there 174 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 2: to where like, hey, we can essentially every year is 175 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 2: free agency in college football. We can evaluate better than 176 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:48,359 Speaker 2: anybody else. And so we'll be able to find diamonds 177 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 2: in the rough and then use the fact that we're 178 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 2: you know, we're Bill Belichick with the high end guys, 179 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 2: we'll be able to even at North Carolina with less 180 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 2: of a budget. I'm sure they have a really good 181 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 2: budget then some of the big boys. We're just smarter 182 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 2: than you, right, because that was always their thing with 183 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 2: how they drafted, that was always their thing with how Yeah, 184 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 2: we just we think we're better at developing. We think 185 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 2: we're better at finding damonds up. I think part of 186 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 2: it is they think that yes it is chaotic, but 187 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 2: it's every year free agency and they can evaluate better 188 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 2: than other people. 189 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 3: Well, the evaluation will help if they can find you know, 190 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 3: it's a cliche, but you know they find the diamonds 191 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 3: in the rough kind of guys. But the ones who 192 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 3: have an opportunity to go to LSU or Alabama or 193 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 3: Georgia or Michigan, and you have to figure the money 194 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 3: will probably be about the same. Then it comes down 195 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 3: to Gobilichick's sitting in a seventeen year old's living room 196 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 3: with the kids' parents and they say, this guy's going 197 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 3: to get me into the NFL. Or are they thinking 198 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 3: I don't want to go play for this seventy three 199 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:57,719 Speaker 3: year old. I don't know how long he's going to 200 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 3: be around, and you know, his reputation doesn't really appeal 201 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 3: to me. I think that it can go either way. 202 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:07,839 Speaker 3: But Doug, I think the whole key to whether he 203 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 3: has success in North Carolina is whether he can find 204 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 3: a quarterback. And I don't know that he'll get a 205 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 3: five star quarterback there. If a guy, if a kid 206 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 3: wants to go play, but he proved in New England. 207 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 3: He doesn't have to have He did it with a 208 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 3: six round quarterback, so if he can, I mean, he's 209 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 3: never gonna find another Brady. But he doesn't necessarily have 210 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 3: to find somebody like that. He just has to find 211 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 3: somebody who's really good. And you know, whether he hits 212 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 3: Jack Pott and gets a five star quarterback, or you know, 213 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 3: finds a kid who is sitting on the bench and 214 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 3: who in Minnesota or Nebraska or Michigan or whatever and 215 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 3: and thinks he has potential and then can develop them. 216 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 3: Maybe that's the way he's got to do it. But 217 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 3: if he doesn't get a quarterback, they have no chance, 218 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 3: because that's just the way the game is structured. 219 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 4: Like. 220 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 2: Especially college football, especially especially Why is Brady still why 221 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 2: is he chasing this Raiders thing? 222 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 3: Well? I think that, Well, he never wanted to get 223 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,719 Speaker 3: into coaching, and I mean the great players never want 224 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 3: to get into coaching because the hours are too long. 225 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 3: I mean, you know that's how long those hours are. 226 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 3: And he wanted to be involved in football. And I 227 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 3: don't know where the relationship with Mark Davis started, but it. 228 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 2: Almost started when he was leaving and he wanted to 229 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 2: go to the Raiders, right, and at at the time 230 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 2: the Raiders had who is Derek Carr and they didn't 231 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 2: want to get rid of Derek Carr. 232 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 3: Well, I think that Mark Davis did want him, and 233 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 3: Glutton didn't. 234 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:50,199 Speaker 2: Drutin didn't correct. 235 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't know like what the connection was 236 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 3: if there was a connection prior to that between Davis 237 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 3: and Brady, because now it evolved into you know, da 238 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 3: was selling five percent of his team to Tom and 239 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 3: five percent to Tom's partner. I don't know how it 240 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 3: evolved from him wanted to go and play for the 241 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 3: Raiders to agree to sell part of his team to him. 242 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 3: The connection had to be deeper somewhere. I just don't 243 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:19,119 Speaker 3: know what it is. But you know, Tom is incredibly 244 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 3: competitive and this is a way for him to kind 245 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 3: of stay in it. The Raiders are just like an 246 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,959 Speaker 3: interesting I wouldn't have guessed. I would have guessed like 247 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 3: the Dolphins because he lives in Florida, or you know, 248 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 3: maybe Craft because he considers him his fifth son. He 249 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 3: would have sold them five percent of the Patriots, you know, 250 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 3: with the other ninety five percent is going to stay 251 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 3: in the Craft family. I never would have guessed the Raiders, 252 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 3: especially because it's like so far from home, and you know, 253 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,439 Speaker 3: Tom is a really good dad, and two of his 254 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 3: kids live in Florida and one lands in New York, 255 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 3: and you know, he travels enough for Fox and to 256 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 3: think that, you know, on his day off, presumably he 257 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 3: flew to Vegas to sit and watch the game last night. 258 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 3: By the way, this whole thing with him sitting with 259 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 3: his sets in the coaches booth last night, the NFL 260 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 3: issued some kind of innocuous statement today that you know, 261 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 3: you know, Tom is still not allowed to go in 262 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 3: a facility. All these meetings. The production's meetings have to 263 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 3: be virtual, and that's the rule that how they changed 264 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 3: them this year. Last year couldn't be in the meetings 265 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 3: at all, Doug. Next, this coming week, Brady's got the 266 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 3: Cowboys and the Bears, and He's gonna be left to 267 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 3: sit in the production meetings virtually, and he's allowed to 268 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 3: talk to players on the field. The following week, the 269 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 3: Raiders play the Bears. Is there anybody who doesn't think 270 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 3: that information that Brady picks up on the Bears working 271 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 3: the game this week is not going to be turned 272 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 3: over to the Raiders, who then played the bears. I mean, 273 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 3: this is this such an incredible conflict of interest. And 274 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 3: I didn't think that until I saw what happened last night. 275 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, the optic, the optics for optics, for optics were 276 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 2: not good. 277 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 3: Optics were not good. 278 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 2: Because because there's there's part of it that I like it. 279 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 2: You know, if you bring it as a broadcaster, the 280 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 2: inside knowledge, but in a in a league which everybody 281 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 2: is paranoid, and considering he was part of the Patriots 282 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 2: with Spygate and all the other stuff. Yeah, it's a 283 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 2: terrible look. It's a terrible look for the golden boy 284 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 2: of the Yeah. 285 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 3: I mean it's Doug. It's fine for him to get 286 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 3: inside knowledge. I mean what Collinsworth and Akman and all 287 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 3: those guys do. Sure they work it really hard, but 288 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 3: they're not working for a team. Yeah. 289 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 2: No, no, I get it. I get it. It's it's bizarre. Gary, 290 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 2: this is gonna be really good. I know it's gonna 291 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 2: be another best seller. Gary Meyer's New York Times best 292 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 2: selling author longtime sportswriter, covered the NFL. The book is 293 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 2: called Brady Versus Belichick, The dynast Debate. It's out today 294 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 2: wherever you get your books or your audio books. Pick 295 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 2: it up. Gary, thanks so much for your time. I 296 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 2: really appreciate it. 297 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 3: Doug, thanks for having me on, and good luck this 298 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 3: basketball season. 299 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 300 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox sports 301 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. 302 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 2: Hey, what up there, It's Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. 303 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 2: You having a good day. You're gonna for the next 304 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 2: hour and oh yeah, by the way, after this hour, 305 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 2: you want to download the podcast. You can hear the 306 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 2: whole show plus the in the Bonus podcast, which is 307 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 2: a special hour edition you can hear on radio. You 308 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 2: can only get when you download the podcast wherever you 309 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 2: download podcasts. Hour two is always awesome, all right, always awesome. 310 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 2: R J. Young's going to join us. He is the 311 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 2: He has the Number one show, which is a huge 312 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 2: college football podcast. He's also gigantic Oklahoma Homer Big week 313 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 2: this week for the Sooners. They just demolished Temple. Now 314 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 2: they bring in Auburn right first SEC game and Auburn's 315 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 2: quarterback was Oklahoma's quarterback Jackson Arnold last year. Can't wait 316 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,719 Speaker 2: to talk with r J. Young, the guy who was 317 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 2: the next guy is now with Auburn and then John Matteer. 318 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 2: Now maybe he's the next Oklahoma quarterback to win the 319 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 2: Heisman Trophy. As he is, I think the Empire said 320 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 2: yesterday he's the betting favorite to win the Heisman. Dan 321 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 2: can definitely correct me if if I'm wrong, I'm right. Okay, 322 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 2: thanks Dan. Anyway, we'll get to some college football upcoming. 323 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,239 Speaker 2: Also got to talk Tush push. I saw something on 324 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 2: First Things First which I thought was absolutely brilliant, and 325 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 2: we'll we'll play that off versus something that an Eagles 326 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 2: offensive lineman said about the Tush push this past week. 327 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 2: That'll be upcoming in fifteen minutes. But it is the 328 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 2: middle of the week. It's a Wednesday. It is the 329 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 2: middle of the day, right, I mean one on the west, 330 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,719 Speaker 2: three on the east. You're not going to bed at 331 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 2: seven tonight. It's the middle of your day, and it's 332 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 2: the middle of our show. We have two hours of 333 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 2: live radio, one hour of podcast, which which lands in 334 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 2: your queue at the top of the hour. So we 335 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 2: do something called the Midway. 336 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 3: He's not getting. 337 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 1: It's time for stuck in the middle. 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He went viral as he's protecting his turf. 347 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 5: I guess Dabo, and you guys can correct me if 348 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 5: I'm wrong. They lost a game on Saturday they that 349 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 5: most people thought they should have won, and they're one 350 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 5: and two on the season and the knives are out 351 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 5: and Dabbo took time yesterday to address this. 352 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 6: If they want me gone, they if they tired of winning, 353 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 6: they can send me on the way, because that's all 354 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 6: we've done is win. So if they tired of winning, 355 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 6: we've had. We've won this league eight out of the 356 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 6: last ten years. Is that not good? I'm just asking 357 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 6: is that good? I don't know if that's good or not. 358 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 6: To win your league eight out of ten years, to 359 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 6: go to playoffs seven out of ten years, to being 360 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 6: four Nations Championships and went it twice. Yeah, we little 361 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 6: down right. Now take your shots, but I got a 362 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 6: long memory case, y'all don't know. We'll be all right. 363 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 6: We'll bounce back. This is a program built to last, 364 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 6: always has. 365 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 2: Been, always will be. And I would just say, if you. 366 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 6: Give up on us, if you don't believe on us, 367 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 6: because we've lost two games down to the last trade 368 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 6: and we're wanting. You didn't believe in us anyway, so 369 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 6: it don't matter. You wasn't all in anyway. 370 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 2: If you all in, you burn the ships. 371 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 3: Man. 372 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 6: There ain't no exit strategy like you're freaking all in. 373 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,239 Speaker 6: And hey, listen, I mean Clemston's tired of winning. They 374 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 6: send me on my way, but I'm gonna go somewhere else, 375 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 6: and coach, I ain't going to the beach. Hell, I'm 376 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 6: fifty five. I got a long way to go. Y'all 377 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 6: have to deal with me for a while. I had 378 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 6: a long way to go. 379 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: I'm just getting going. 380 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 6: I'm just now good enough to be a head coach. 381 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 5: Now, you guys are the college football guys. Doug, you're 382 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 5: a head coach. Dan, you follow the sport closely from 383 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 5: a thirty thousand foot view on this. If I could 384 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 5: as just listening to that SoundBite, that sounds like a 385 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 5: guy who has made more money than he could spend, 386 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 5: who if you want to buy him out, would be 387 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 5: a tremendous amount of money that is grandkids probably couldn't spend. 388 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 5: And I'm going to say whatever I want, so get 389 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 5: rid of me and I'll probably get a really good 390 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 5: job next. That sounds like a guy that could kind 391 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 5: of take or leave things. But you guys might disagree. 392 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 2: I love it. I don't think it has anything to 393 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 2: do with anybody buying him out. I think that was 394 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 2: really at the whether it's fine bombs or Internet trolls 395 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 2: of the world right understanding the reality of it. And 396 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 2: again I have a lot to say on Clemson, and 397 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 2: I'll say it, but again my thing is, I don't 398 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 2: think that was Hey, he's spent too much money. It's 399 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 2: he knows that coaching football and coaching, and the one 400 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 2: thing the Playoff allows is for real coaching, which is 401 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 2: what do you look like at the end of the season, 402 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 2: and we can keep getting better. So I think that 403 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 2: was more at the Internet or at X and social 404 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 2: media than it was Clemson administration. Clemson boosters Chase Dan, 405 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 2: what do you think? 406 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 7: And it very it may well be that that could 407 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 7: be the case with Dabbo. And I actually will side 408 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 7: with Dabbo on this in the fact that Clemson, we 409 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 7: all know this, clemsoning used to be a verb when 410 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 7: you lost the game you should have won, or blew 411 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 7: it in some crazy fashion. That was clemsoning, and that 412 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 7: happened and prior to Dabbo, and it happened years after 413 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 7: the year after year, season after season. Something that you 414 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,719 Speaker 7: think could go right for the Tigers ultimately wouldn't and 415 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 7: he turned it around. And I understand that this new 416 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 7: age of college football is one that a lot of 417 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 7: people are adjusting to and Dabbo may seem like a 418 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 7: fossil or an antique because of the new way of 419 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 7: college football. But I hate it when coaches get run 420 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 7: out of town for stuff that they shouldn't have And 421 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 7: considering where Clemson was prior, I think that Dabbo has 422 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 7: at least another two years of goodwill built up for 423 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 7: the run that he put them on. And that doesn't 424 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 7: even include Doug. Everything that you said about the current 425 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 7: state of college football and what is the real goal 426 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 7: at the end of the season. Their loss to LSU 427 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 7: wasn't great, but you know what, it's really not going 428 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 7: to hurt them in the long run. And when you 429 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 7: look at the ACC seems to be there for the taking. Sure, 430 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 7: you lose a game at Georgia Tech new squash, Georgia 431 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 7: Tech's pretty good football team, Yep, those things happen. So 432 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 7: for a fan base that now seems like they're spoiled, 433 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 7: it's those spoiled brats that I think Dabo is talking to. 434 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 7: And I may not agree with everything that he does 435 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 7: with with it coaching, in how they build their team, 436 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 7: but I am one hundred percent behind him and what 437 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 7: he said in defending his record and what he has 438 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:26,959 Speaker 7: done for that school. 439 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. So let me get into the state of college 440 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 2: football thing. Their deal is they want to stay out 441 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 2: of the portal. They want all you know, hey, where 442 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 2: get our guys, keep our guys, grow our guys, and 443 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:44,479 Speaker 2: go from there. And here's the thing that, look, no 444 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 2: one actually knows what the best way to do it is, 445 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 2: and the best way to do it at one place 446 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 2: might not be the best way to do it it 447 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 2: somewhere else. Now, the one thing Dabo had going for 448 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 2: him that others did not. Was he had, you know, 449 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 2: eight nine years of excellence before you know, he had 450 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 2: a couple like five unbelievable years before the portal started, 451 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 2: before playing players really started. So he did have a culture, 452 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 2: he did have the backing of everybody. He could have 453 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 2: done it a bunch of different ways. We're all I'll 454 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 2: agree with Dabo is like, I don't think they have 455 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 2: the money of a Georgia. I don't think they have 456 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 2: the money of an SEC. And so if you want 457 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 2: to compete at the highest level when you're not at 458 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 2: that level financially, you got to find a different way 459 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 2: because you just can't load up. It's it's like, it's 460 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 2: the reason that moneyball exists in baseball. 461 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 3: Right. 462 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 2: The A's had no chance of outbidding the Yankees, just none, 463 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 2: or the Dodgers or any of these big market even 464 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 2: the Giants, right, they just don't have that much money. 465 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 2: So I just we're all trying to figure out what 466 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 2: the best avenue is for our university. And it's a 467 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 2: trial and err thing. And again last year is a 468 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 2: perfect example. Didn't look great out of the gate, but 469 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 2: they end up coming around and winning the ACC right 470 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 2: and going to the playoffs and ultimately, you know, did 471 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 2: they live up to the Hey, can you have a 472 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 2: high retention rate and win a national championship? No, they 473 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 2: were a notch below talent wise the elite elite teams, 474 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:28,239 Speaker 2: but they had a level of consistency and that I 475 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 2: think he believes is their avenue. Yeah, he's absolutely earned 476 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 2: the right for more time. And I do think I 477 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 2: told you last year, I was cheering for him because 478 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 2: I like that way. I think that's I think you 479 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 2: can build the true college experience. I think you can 480 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 2: bring great culture. I think you're gonna have more consistent 481 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,479 Speaker 2: ten win years that way, even though you may not 482 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 2: have a national championship that way. That's the hard part, right, 483 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 2: like the going all in every year for new players 484 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 2: and new pieces. I think the high and the lows. 485 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 2: It's Florida State two years ago, Floria State doesn't lose 486 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 2: a game. Last year, Florestate wins two games this year. 487 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 2: I think they're back to being good. Could be next 488 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 2: year because you just year by year, there's such volatility. 489 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 2: He's building for consistency. I think that's the smarter play. 490 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:21,959 Speaker 2: It's the more consistent play. But again, like you have 491 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 2: to preserve the right. You might be wrong because no 492 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 2: one's ever experienced college sports in this era. It's new 493 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 2: to everybody, everybody. 494 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 7: I just wouldn't want to be the president or the 495 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 7: ad or the boosters or whoever to be the one 496 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 7: to run Dabble out of town. 497 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 2: But you know where he's gonna go, right, I mean, 498 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 2: everybody knows what happens. Well, he sits there and waits, 499 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 2: and if Calen boy gets fired, he gets the job 500 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 2: at Alabama. 501 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 7: Yes, that that seems to be a possible landing spot, 502 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 7: but it should never come to that. 503 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 2: It really shouldn't be at Clemson. He is Clemson Football. 504 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 7: And I would also say, Doug that, And I'll use 505 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 7: your sport as an example of someone like coach k 506 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 7: who transitioned and altered the way that they did things 507 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,120 Speaker 7: because of a different landscape in college basketball. Sure that 508 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 7: Dabbo at least, if he's stuck in his ways now, 509 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 7: at least deserves the runway for the next couple of 510 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 7: years to continue to really analyze if what he is 511 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 7: doing right now is correct or if he does need 512 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 7: to turn it around. And that's something that you shouldn't 513 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 7: throw away because of two losses in one score games 514 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 7: to one team that's three and nine, and again Georgia 515 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 7: Tech I think is a pretty good football team and 516 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 7: LSU at home. I know that LSU outplayed Clemson in 517 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,880 Speaker 7: that game, but still one score game. Like, what are 518 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 7: we doing here if we're running someone out of town 519 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 7: because they're one and two with a combined loss of 520 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 7: ten points on their two losses this year. I just yeah, 521 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 7: I don't I don't like it. I don't like it either. 522 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 7: I understand that there's an ever changing world of college sports, 523 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 7: and I think a lot of schools are trying to 524 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 7: find out ways. We also don't know, doug on how 525 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 7: much the new revenue sharing deal in the ACC is 526 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 7: going to affect the top schools because they are expected 527 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 7: to get more money because of their exposure and what happens. 528 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,239 Speaker 7: So does that put the Miami's in Florida States and 529 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 7: Clemsons further down the road than the other schools once 530 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 7: that really fully takes, you know, goes into effect. I 531 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 7: don't know. But just for for Dabble to be dealing 532 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 7: with this and I get it, And if there's he's 533 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 7: said a lot of stuff previously which kind of makes 534 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 7: him an easy target for this, But I'm glad that 535 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 7: he's sticking up for himself because I just think it's 536 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 7: absurd to have this sort of conversation. 537 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 2: Look, I I'd even I'd even link in Mike Gundy 538 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 2: at MI alma mater right where you know, they get 539 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 2: blasted by Oregon, and look, the whole deal is he 540 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 2: shouldn't have played the game. Shouldn't have played the game right. 541 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 2: That game was scheduled in twenty eighteen. Oregon was eight 542 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 2: and seven at the time, Oklahoma State was the top 543 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 2: ten team. The landscape of college BA has changed showed dramatically, 544 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 2: and I think Mike Gundy and obviously Dan Lanning picked 545 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 2: on it made it act to be some negative. I 546 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 2: think my Gundy was trying to be one trying to 547 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 2: set everybody up for what they were going to see, 548 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 2: like he knew. And two, he's actually trying to give 549 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 2: them a company, like look, they're really well coached and 550 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 2: they got way more money than we have. Like this, 551 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 2: This is what he should have said, was this is 552 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 2: what big time college. If you want to build a 553 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 2: program at a place like Oregon where you don't have 554 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 2: great in state recruits, this is what you do. They 555 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 2: have done it perfectly. That's all you have to say. Okay, 556 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 2: But the point is that, like, do we think that 557 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 2: in two years Mike Gundy has forgotten how to coach football? 558 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 7: No? 559 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 2: Right, Like he suddenly like completely lost track of how 560 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 2: to coach football. Last year they beat Arkansas and then 561 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 2: all of a sudden it fell apart. Why because Arkansas 562 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 2: beat him up? They lost Like they only had three 563 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 2: or four difference makers. I think three or four of 564 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 2: them got hurt. The quarterback end up in a seventh 565 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 2: year stinking up to join the offensive line wasn't good enough. 566 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 2: But they lost their difference makers to injury because the 567 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 2: attrition of early in the season and they don't have 568 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 2: the money to have the depth. Then he scraps it 569 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 2: and has to have a whole new staff. You have 570 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 2: a whole new staff and you have money for the 571 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 2: first time, and you go out and spend it. You 572 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 2: don't know what to like. People are gonna make mistakes, 573 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 2: make mistakes first time you have money, when you haven't 574 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 2: had money and you have a new staff, you don't 575 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 2: have an identity. How are we gonna play? We don't know. 576 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 2: Guys are showing up late. And then you go and 577 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 2: play a behemoth like Organ and you get pumbled. Guess what, 578 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 2: Ninety percent of the teams get pummeled by Organ. So 579 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 2: you know again, my thing is, if you've shown that 580 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 2: you can win over a decade, which Dabo has, which 581 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 2: Mike Gundy has, you got to give him the benefit 582 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 2: of the doubt of give him a little bit of 583 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 2: runway because this is a completely different era, completely different 584 00:30:56,120 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 2: and what you're playing is until you see it play out. 585 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 2: And no, if your plan is, hey, we're gonna win 586 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 2: this year and you tell everybody we're going all the 587 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 2: we're gonna win this year and then you don't, that's different. 588 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 2: But you say, here's our plan, here's what we're gonna try. 589 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 2: You have to understand you might be wrong and things 590 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 2: might things might not go well. And that's what's happened 591 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 2: in Oakland State, and we'll see what's happening in Clemson. 592 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 7: Oh well, I will finish you with this. This would 593 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 7: be my last word. Just to jump back to Dabble 594 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 7: for a second. There isn't a game on their schedule 595 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 7: outside of a home game against Florida State number seven 596 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 7: Florida State that they shouldn't win, and that game against 597 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 7: Florida State is a game that is winnable for them, 598 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 7: so they could run the table. As some people pick 599 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 7: Clemson to win the national title at the beginning of 600 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 7: the year. If they do go on a run, Doug, 601 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 7: you know what we're gonna hear two months from now 602 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,479 Speaker 7: is the team I wouldn't want to face in the 603 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 7: bracket Clemson, just you know, like we would have any 604 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 7: other the team you don't want to face because they 605 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 7: would be hot at that time and it would be 606 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 7: funny on how two months difference would change the narrative. 607 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 2: And that is the mid the Midway. 608 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug 609 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific. 610 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 2: Sean Merriman joins us, of course, everybody knows lights Out. 611 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 2: Lights Out was the rookie of the year, lights Out 612 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 2: spending all Pro and lights Out kind of have to 613 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 2: spend some time with this year. On The Doug Gottlieb 614 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 2: Show on Fox Sports Radio, Sean, what do you think? 615 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 2: What do you think of the Chargers to an O start? 616 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, look, obviously I don't want to be biased, 617 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 4: but I've been kind of preaching us the whole off season. 618 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 4: You know, I'm more surprised at other people surprised, right 619 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 4: from the same team that that Jim Harball took from 620 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 4: Brandon Selling five win, five or six win team and 621 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 4: took them to the playoffs. So what do you think 622 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 4: is gonna happen the following year? And there's more so 623 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 4: people talking about Kansas City wasn't as good. Kansas City 624 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 4: City is still a really good team. It's just the 625 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 4: charge the better, I really believe, And I've always been 626 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 4: saying this the whole off season. I thought they were 627 00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 4: gonna win a division. 628 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've thought they would too. But it's just it's 629 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 2: gonna take people while to buy into the fact they're 630 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 2: really this good. And then we'll see how they how 631 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 2: they hang out with how they play with some of 632 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 2: these injuries. As you lose Khalil Mack and for a 633 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 2: period of time we don't know how long, at least 634 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 2: four weeks, how does that affect their defense? What about 635 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 2: the Packers? Uh, Micah Parsons by the way, off the 636 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 2: injury list for first time since he's been a Packer 637 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 2: there too, and oh but both home games. How big 638 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 2: a believer are you into the Packers. 639 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 4: I mean a big, a big believer. And then you know, 640 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 4: as far as Micah, he's going to go out there 641 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 4: and make his plays, right, He's going to go out 642 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 4: and do what he do what he does. But look 643 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 4: at those plays he mays, and look at the rest 644 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 4: of the sidelines and what he the morale he's doing 645 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 4: for that team. To have a guy like that out there, 646 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 4: it can be a game change and turn plays around 647 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 4: at any given time. It makes that whole entire team better. 648 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 4: I remember his first sack that he had in his 649 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 4: first game. You look at that sideline, them dudes are 650 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 4: going crazy. I mean, it's just he brings that level 651 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 4: of intensity and excitement across the board man and you know, 652 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 4: of course Dallas is not gonna look good right now. 653 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 4: But unless one of those draft extra draft picks they 654 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 4: got turned out to be something. But Micah is single 655 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,240 Speaker 4: handedly can can help these guys get to the playoffs 656 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 4: this year. 657 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 2: And further, Okay, we're watching the Dolphins to night. They've 658 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 2: got some dysfunction. Uh, they got some issues there is 659 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 2: it fixable? 660 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 4: In my opinion, I don't think Mike mcdone, Mike McDaniel's 661 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 4: making through the season I don't. I don't see him 662 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 4: making it during the season. I think to Tyreek Hill, 663 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 4: by week three or four, whatever the trade deadline is, 664 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 4: is going to be on the trading block, and not 665 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 4: because he can't play. It's just that I think there's 666 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 4: so many problems in that on that team right now 667 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 4: that they're going to be looking to get something for 668 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 4: him while he's still you know, kind of uh a 669 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 4: point of interest, right because if you can, if you 670 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 4: let this season keep going on and there's so much dysfunction, 671 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 4: Mike McDaniels go out there. You don't let Tyreek. He'll 672 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:06,879 Speaker 4: go to a team, but we can go out and win. 673 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 4: His value is going to go down after the season. 674 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,239 Speaker 4: So I, in my opinion, I just don't see Mike 675 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 4: McDaniels making it through the entire season. 676 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 2: All right. And then what about the Bills? 677 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 4: Is this the year it has to be the look 678 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 4: every great team when you got a really good team, 679 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 4: you got about a three or four year run, and 680 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,880 Speaker 4: that happened, you know, it was us from the Charges 681 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 4: two thousand and six twenty ten, the leaders of doom, 682 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 4: leaders of boom back there. The Bills now have been 683 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 4: really good for the last three years, so they have 684 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 4: another year or two max. Before that team is you know, 685 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 4: it breaks up. You know, the GMS and front office, 686 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 4: offense and defensive coordinators might be taking jobs somewhere else. 687 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,439 Speaker 4: I mean that it don't look like a different team 688 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 4: if they don't make a run now. So right now, 689 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 4: shot to go get one. 690 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 2: I agree with you again, but they have to actually 691 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 2: do it. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show here on 692 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio. Lights Out, Joinings, Sean Merriman Sean Rams 693 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 2: are two and o kind of under the radar, right. 694 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's people worried about Stafford's back, 695 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 2: but Stafford's been really, really good. The unspoken part is 696 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 2: their defense, and they revamped their defense, lost Aaron Donald 697 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,399 Speaker 2: and gotten even better as a group. What's their ceiling. 698 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 3: It is? 699 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 4: And you know what, sometimes you rather be that dark 700 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 4: horse in this whole thing, right, I mean here we're 701 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 4: talking about the Packers. I think the Bucks are really 702 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 4: good this year. You know, there are a couple of 703 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 4: Chams that's getting a lot of eyeballs. But you rather 704 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 4: beat the Rams that no one's talking about. Because team 705 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 4: people are gonna take him lightly. And as far as 706 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 4: Matthew Stafford Man, He's probably no, he is. He is 707 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,280 Speaker 4: the toughest quarterback in the National Football League. This dude 708 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 4: plays or anything. He used to get lit up, all 709 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 4: kind of injuries, played through with the Lions. So if 710 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 4: there's any concern there, I don't think that people should be. 711 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just his back was so bad. I just 712 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:02,879 Speaker 2: kept him out for such a long period of time. 713 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's what that's the people we're 714 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,279 Speaker 2: concerned about. What do you think of Brady being in 715 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 2: the coach's box but also being a broadcaster for Fox. 716 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:17,360 Speaker 4: It's so overblown. I mean, the whole the whole days 717 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 4: of somebody sharing information and going to a production meeting. 718 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:22,919 Speaker 4: You know, people just don't. 719 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 3: I mean you've You've been at. 720 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 4: Plenty of production meetings and I have nobody's sharing secret information, Like, hey, 721 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 4: by the way, when I was up in the box, 722 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 4: I heard this. That means you got ten people sitting 723 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 4: in there, from your producers and directors and and you 724 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,400 Speaker 4: know your stat people. You think that if he's sharing 725 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,759 Speaker 4: privileged information in there, somebody's not going to come back 726 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,720 Speaker 4: and say, hey, by the way, Tom gave us some information. 727 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:45,399 Speaker 2: Right. 728 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 4: It's just it doesn't make any sense, and so I 729 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 4: just think that people are just blowing that up, way, way, 730 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:50,760 Speaker 4: way too much. 731 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,760 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch out like that. Extreme Fighting twenty 732 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,319 Speaker 2: seven this Saturday, September twentieth, live from Thunder Studios in 733 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 2: Long Beach, California. Stream the fights live on light It's 734 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 2: Out Sports TV starting at eight pm Eastern Time five 735 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 2: pm Pacific, or come and check out the fights in 736 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 2: person in Long Beach. For tickets and information, go to 737 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:13,000 Speaker 2: lights out xf dot com. Biggest fight this weekend is. 738 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 4: What probably our main event, Tyrrel Fortune. Made's the number 739 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 4: one powerful pal heavyweight right now out. I'm hoping to 740 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 4: keep this guy for another fight or two, but I 741 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 4: think if he go out and put on a showcase, 742 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,959 Speaker 4: he'll be taking off to the USC. If he doesn't 743 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,399 Speaker 4: sign a contract right after the fight, He's like on 744 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,360 Speaker 4: that level. We got a couple guys, take baby on 745 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,879 Speaker 4: his car, Drake Floors, Devin Simmons. We got the next 746 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 4: up and coming superstars in the sport. And look, if 747 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 4: it gets to the chance those guys get a shot 748 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 4: at the USC, I'll be waving them off and tell 749 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 4: them I'm not matching that pace. 750 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 3: So good Luck. 751 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I it's it's just fascinating kind of that how 752 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 2: you how you build these guys up, root for these 753 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,799 Speaker 2: guys and then want them to get to that next level. 754 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 2: It's really really fascinate what you guys have been able to, 755 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,319 Speaker 2: uh to make with lights out Extreme Fighting twenty seven again, 756 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:09,439 Speaker 2: that's this Saturday in Long Beach at Thunder Studios. Last 757 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,719 Speaker 2: thing here, Sean, thanks so much for making us part 758 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:17,319 Speaker 2: of your day, Philadelphia two and oh again. But the 759 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,320 Speaker 2: offense is just now they've made an offensive coordinator change, 760 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,800 Speaker 2: and they do keep winning and they're beating good teams, 761 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,320 Speaker 2: but is it can they sustain winning if their offense 762 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 2: doesn't get on track? 763 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,160 Speaker 4: What we've seen this before, the out of them where 764 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:35,279 Speaker 4: we've seen them the straight pass what two seasons ago. 765 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 4: I mean, they should have lost probably six or seven games, 766 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,319 Speaker 4: scraping by, and they end up, you know, with a 767 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:45,319 Speaker 4: great season. It's going to take some time when you 768 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 4: got a new offense. According we're seeing it with the lines, 769 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,239 Speaker 4: we're seeing it with multiple teams. When you have that 770 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,800 Speaker 4: big of a change or drastic change, everybody has to 771 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 4: get comfortable. And it's just way too early for them 772 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 4: to be clicking on all sides, and they'll get it 773 00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,879 Speaker 4: together because their core, the nucleus. They got a good run, 774 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,280 Speaker 4: they got a great running back, they got a great quarterback, 775 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,719 Speaker 4: they got receivers, so they can skim by until they 776 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,879 Speaker 4: figure it out because they got talent. So I don't 777 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 4: I don't think that's a panic button yet with them 778 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:09,879 Speaker 4: at all. 779 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 2: Shot awesome stuff. I remember. That's lights out Extreme Fighting 780 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,480 Speaker 2: this Saturday, Long Beach at Thunder Studios. You can stream 781 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,359 Speaker 2: it live okay on lights out Sports TV starting at 782 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,439 Speaker 2: eight Eastern time, five Pacific, with LightsOut xf dot com 783 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:25,879 Speaker 2: showing you the best. Appreciate your time. 784 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 4: Thanks man, thanks for having me.