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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Wednesday edition of The Clay Travis and

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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show starts now. Buck is back here, my

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Speaker 1: main man, Clay. We got a lot to discuss today, Clay.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for holding it down yesterday while I was

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Speaker 1: gallivanting around the great state of Florida. And today we

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Speaker 1: know that the Biden administration. First of all, some new

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Speaker 1: polling out on them from Q shows that the American

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Speaker 1: people are seeing what a mess things are. Actually, the

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Speaker 1: Biden comeback is not nearly as strong as many in

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Speaker 1: the media would have had us believe. Also really interesting

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Speaker 1: to see that Muriel Bowser, the mayor of Washington, DC,

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Speaker 1: is asking, has repeatedly asked for National Guard assistants to

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Speaker 1: handle the influx of illegal immigrants to her city via

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Speaker 1: bus courtesy of a program put in place by Governor

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Speaker 1: Abbott of Texas. Fascinating mayor of DC is calling in

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Speaker 1: the National Guard to bring additional resources to bear to

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Speaker 1: help with all the illegal immigrants coming into the country

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Speaker 1: and violation of our laws. Almost like maybe this is

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Speaker 1: something we should think more about as a country and

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Speaker 1: have more of. Oh, but not with Democrats in charge,

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Speaker 1: some election results, we'll have some fun with it. Congratulations

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Speaker 1: to my friend Anna Pauli and a ludon winning her

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Speaker 1: primary in northern or north pardon me, North Florida, not

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Speaker 1: northern Florida. I've learned. I've spent enough time there now

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Speaker 1: that I've learned these lessons. And we've also got you've

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Speaker 1: got some Mara Lago Raid updates. Doctor Marty McCarry gonna

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Speaker 1: be joining us later in the program. He's got some

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Speaker 1: fantastic op eds out about Fouci accountability time, which Clay,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you're you're hammering on this yesterday. We're going

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Speaker 1: to continue all with some of that today. But you

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Speaker 1: want to talk about the student loan student loan thing first? Here,

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Speaker 1: here's what we know it, here's what we know. Let's

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Speaker 1: let's dive into this one. Biden lands to forgive and

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Speaker 1: will officially announce this today ten thousand dollars or more

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Speaker 1: in federal student loan debt for tens of millions of Americans.

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Speaker 1: So this will obviously be quite an expenditure. The provision

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Speaker 1: for pell grant recipients would push the number higher by

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Speaker 1: the way, as around seven and ten borrowers with federal

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Speaker 1: loans received a pell grant. I mean, Claire, there's a lot.

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Speaker 1: We break down the numbers here, we'll do all of that.

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Speaker 1: There's two thoughts that I think everybody's having right now.

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Speaker 1: One is this is just trying to buy votes at

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Speaker 1: the last minute before the election for Democrats. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's bribing the taxpayer in essence with their own money,

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Speaker 1: or rather bribing some taxpayers at the expense of other taxpayers.

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Speaker 1: Is this even legal though from a constitutional perspective, I

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Speaker 1: mean not. The Nancy Pelosi is some kind of genius,

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Speaker 1: but we'll get to her in a moment here. She

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Speaker 1: waited on this one. Why can Biden just wave a

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Speaker 1: magic wall and say you don't know money anymore? He can't.

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Speaker 1: And that's what is going to be disappointing about the

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Speaker 1: entirety of this coverage. First, Buck, you're going to see

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Speaker 1: a lot of people say, oh, he's canceling, Oh he's

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Speaker 1: eliminating forgiveness is a nice thing to do. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: can't do that. What he is doing is taking three

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Speaker 1: hundred billion dollars of additional taxpayer responsibility. You meet, everybody

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Speaker 1: obligations of people who took out student loans that they

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Speaker 1: aren't going to have to repay. And there are a

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Speaker 1: lot of people out there in our audience who did

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Speaker 1: what I did, took student loans out, repaid them, and

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Speaker 1: now is sitting around saying, well, wait a minute, why

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Speaker 1: do suddenly certain segments of the population not have obligations

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Speaker 1: for the loans that they took out, for the money

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Speaker 1: that they accepted, And why are we essentially giving away

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Speaker 1: three hundred billion dollars to universities which are wildly overcharging students.

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Speaker 1: So the way that this is going to be covered,

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Speaker 1: first of all, the language pay attention to it. It's

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Speaker 1: fundamentally dishonest. It's furtherance of this inability to understand basic

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Speaker 1: economics and modern monetary theory, where money and obligations on

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Speaker 1: an individual basis just don't matter. The larger context, however,

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Speaker 1: buck is this is flagrantly unconstitutional. The president, with the

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Speaker 1: strike of a pen cannot wipe out three hundred billion

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Speaker 1: dollars in student loan debt for individuals and take it

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Speaker 1: onto the federal government. Congress would have to pass a

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Speaker 1: bill okaying this. And what the media should be doing

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Speaker 1: if they were doing their jobs. Is saying to Joe Biden,

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Speaker 1: and you have majorities in the Senate, why not simply

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Speaker 1: this bill. It is a political sham. It will go

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Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court. Here's the whole layout buck of

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Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court. It will be struck down, much

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Speaker 1: like Biden's attempt to extend the CDC eviction moratorium. Biden

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Speaker 1: for striking this down and use it as evidence of

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four race. So they're going to try

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Speaker 1: the bribe in twenty twenty two. It will not work,

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Speaker 1: but the bribe won't be struck down until after the midterms,

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Speaker 1: and then in the twenty twenty four run up they

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Speaker 1: will make promises again, we need huge Democrat majorities because

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court, in an anti democratic fashion, decided to

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Speaker 1: years of how this is going to play out for Democrats. Well,

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Speaker 1: hardcore right winger Nancy Pelosi just last summer, a year ago,

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Speaker 1: the President of the United States has the power for

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Speaker 1: debt forgiveness. He does not. He can postpone, he can delay,

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Speaker 1: but he does not have that power. That would has

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Speaker 1: to be an Act of Congress. Can I say, we

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Speaker 1: get lectures yes from Libs all the time about our

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Speaker 1: sacred democracy and undermining the Constitution by the people who

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Speaker 1: say those things sacred democracy, undermined Constitution in the context

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Speaker 1: of politics today, have neither read nor understood the Constitution

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Speaker 1: as a basic rule. Like they have no idea what

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Speaker 1: they're talking about, but they're big words that make them

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Speaker 1: feel important to say Nancy Pelosi here, well that was

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Speaker 1: a year ago last summer, was correct. But we keep

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Speaker 1: seeing this where, for example, in the Obama administration, he

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Speaker 1: would say I don't actually have the power to do

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Speaker 1: even say when it is politically expedient, we literally do

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Speaker 1: not have the constitutional authority to give the Democrat base

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Speaker 1: what they want in this case. But then if the

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Speaker 1: politics shift a little bit and they like really wanted, Clay,

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Speaker 1: you know, they really need this thing, They're just like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're just gonna do it. You know. They tried this

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Speaker 1: with giving illegals work permits as an executive action under

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Speaker 1: the Obama administration. Remember, I think it was we looked

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Speaker 1: They do this stuff all the time. We know this

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Speaker 1: issue is correct. They know it, Clay, they just don't care. Well.

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Speaker 1: The perfect example of this is Joe Biden. What was

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Speaker 1: and we may be able to find that audio. Biden

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Speaker 1: even said himself that he knew it was unconstitutional, but

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Speaker 1: And then the Biden administration extended it again and went

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Speaker 1: back to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court said, no,

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Speaker 1: you can't do this, and Joe Biden was right. It

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Speaker 1: did buy him, I don't know, six or eight weeks

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Speaker 1: because that case was already pending before the court. This

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Speaker 1: it right up before Labor Day. It's all part of

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Speaker 1: the media being complicit and also dumb and not covering this.

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Speaker 1: They will claim again that the court is striking it down,

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Speaker 1: and that's unfair. But the easy way to think about

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Speaker 1: if they do this, But this is somehow fulfilling Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden's promise. This is a left wing fevered dream. It

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Speaker 1: would add inflationary pressure. It's unconstitutional, and it will be

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be making ninety grand. I'm gonna, you know,

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Speaker 1: their kids don't have to take out loans. Well, what

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Speaker 1: all that has happened and schools get more and more

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Speaker 1: with the COVID lockdowns where they were saying, oh, you

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Speaker 1: still have to pay full tuition. Oh yeah, even though

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Speaker 1: this is a credentialing program and that's really what you're

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Speaker 1: paying for. To the credential, by the way, is much less,

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Speaker 1: you know, much less of a big deal than it

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Speaker 1: used to be at any of these schools, elite schools

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Speaker 1: or not. And then three, yeah, apparently if you can

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Speaker 1: just watch it on your computer screen, you can learn

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Speaker 1: the same stuff. That's interesting. The two things that you

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Speaker 1: no other example of something you buy where you can't

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Speaker 1: I mean it's it's absolutely insane, even for things that

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Speaker 1: you'll probably go through this at some point when you

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Speaker 1: have kids. I was trying to figure out, like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: what's the cost gonna be? What am I going to

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Speaker 1: be paying out a pocket? Let me compare hospitals and

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Speaker 1: everything else. I couldn't even they couldn't tell me. How

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Speaker 1: can you not tell me when I'm scheduling a injury?

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Speaker 1: You know somewhat right, you know when you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: basically get to stop working once they make tenure. It's

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Speaker 1: not a real business, it's a joke. I was like,

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Speaker 1: I looked at doing a surgery on my ankle clay,

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Speaker 1: I'll never forget this. They sat me down as a

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Speaker 1: very well known place in New York I did not

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Speaker 1: have good insurance at the time. You know, this was

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Speaker 1: basically like Obamacare level insurance that I had at the time.

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Speaker 1: But they told me that the surgery would cost between

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Speaker 1: after you've been driving it for a few months, we're

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Speaker 1: going to send you the bill and it might be

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Speaker 1: ahead and take the car. And what we've done with

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Speaker 1: higher education, just to put a bow on this everybody

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Speaker 1: is we've told people, yeah, you know that Toyota Corolla,

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Speaker 1: hook for it. That's not a good system. I mean, no, no,

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Speaker 1: people have paid for them. How many businesses do you

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Speaker 1: write checks to every month, by the way, that have

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Speaker 1: win for Team Reality. Oh, welcome back again, Clay Travis,

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Speaker 1: Spuck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.

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Speaker 1: We roll through the Wednesday edition of the program. We're

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Speaker 1: joined now by our friend doctor Marty McCarey at Johns

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Speaker 1: Hopkins Universities. That abulous job pushing back against so many

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Speaker 1: of the prevailing narratives during COVID helped to advise both

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Speaker 1: I believe Ronda Santis and Glenn Junkin, two men who

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Speaker 1: have been extremely rational and responding to the emotional impact

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Speaker 1: of COVID out there. A member of the National Academy

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Speaker 1: of Medicine, has a New York Times best selling book,

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Speaker 1: The Price We Pay. So, doctor McCarry I want to

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Speaker 1: start with this question because my wife actually asked me this.

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Speaker 1: We were discussing. I'm sure you saw that they're starting

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Speaker 1: to roll out the new COVID boosters, and as a

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Speaker 1: part of the new COVID booster One of the questions

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Speaker 1: that Buck and I have been asking for a while is, so,

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Speaker 1: can you just jump ahead if you never got the

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Speaker 1: original COVID shots, can you just get a booster since

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Speaker 1: it's now designed for COVID that's closer to what we

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Speaker 1: have now? And the answer, according to the Biden administration,

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Speaker 1: is no. Does it make sense, Like, let's pretend I've

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Speaker 1: never gotten a COVID shot. Let's pretend that suddenly I

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Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I should have gotten a

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Speaker 1: COVID shot and I want to get the updated booster.

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Speaker 1: Does it make any sense at all that I would

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Speaker 1: get the shot that's been out for almost two years

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Speaker 1: that we know has no impact on COVID Now? Is

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Speaker 1: that rational? Logical at all? From a shot perspective, it

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Speaker 1: makes about as much sense as saying you can't go

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Speaker 1: to college and unless you return the book to a

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Speaker 1: librarian from third grade because because there's no association whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: So that was my thought. Ternalism, Yeah, paternalism. So I

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Speaker 1: can tell my wife because she was like, that seems

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Speaker 1: like it's the right answer. This is totally illogical and

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Speaker 1: makes no sense. Well, I would advise against someone like yourself,

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Speaker 1: Clay from getting the original Wuhan vaccine. At this point,

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Speaker 1: you've had COVID I think twice. At this point, there's

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Speaker 1: a concern about what we call the multiple booster strategy

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Speaker 1: because of this thing called immune imprinting. Now these are theories.

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Speaker 1: We don't know for a fact if there's a down

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Speaker 1: side the multiple boosters. But there's a big paper in

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Speaker 1: the night in the journal Science, one of our top journals,

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Speaker 1: that shows that people who got the multiple boosters actually

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Speaker 1: did a little worse. Ron Doctor McCarry is that it's

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Speaker 1: buck is that similar to original antigenicson It's the same concept,

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Speaker 1: but it's a little different. With some infections, the subsequent

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Speaker 1: infections are worse. We don't see that with COVID. So

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Speaker 1: what you said is something super fascinating. I think Alex

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Speaker 1: Berenson mentioned it with us. This study suggested that people

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Speaker 1: who had gotten the COVID shots and gotten the boosters

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Speaker 1: were actually more likely to get COVID than people who

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Speaker 1: had not. And tying in with that, Joe Biden, who

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Speaker 1: has gotten doctor Jill Biden not Joe four shots, has

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Speaker 1: just in the last ten minutes announced that she's tested

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Speaker 1: positive for COVID again. She must have forgotten all the

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Speaker 1: mitigations she learned in medical school. Clay, doctor Biden anyway

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Speaker 1: to carry What do you think of this? Well, okay,

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Speaker 1: if it were up to the Biden administration, you might

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Speaker 1: be getting a booster every Monday morning when you sharp

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Speaker 1: at work and all of us what were some of

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Speaker 1: us are saying is that let's look at this data.

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Speaker 1: Let's look at the data and Science Magazine and some

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Speaker 1: of the other articles that are saying people who had

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Speaker 1: the infection when they get multiple boosters on top of that,

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Speaker 1: they fare a little worse. So it may be that

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Speaker 1: people should get the omicron specific vaccine that's coming out

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Speaker 1: in a few weeks. But we don't have any data.

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Speaker 1: So how is she's John the White House telling everybody

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Speaker 1: as they are, everyone must get this vaccine that's very important.

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Speaker 1: We haven't seen any data at all, So I mean,

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Speaker 1: is that unreasonable? Now? Some people might say with the

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Speaker 1: blue shout, we don't see data. That's different. That's tried

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Speaker 1: and true. It's a traditional vaccine platform of the protein code.

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Speaker 1: That's not an mr ANDA vaccine. Mr Anda vaccines have

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Speaker 1: a one in five thousand dose serious verse event rate

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Speaker 1: from the German study and we don't even know what

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Speaker 1: strength's going to be floating out out there in a

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Speaker 1: couple of months. We're speaking of doctor Marty McCarey of

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Speaker 1: Johns Hopkins University Medical School, Doctor McCarey. We're also probably seeing,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure the Fauci showing up, Fauci interviews showing up

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Speaker 1: all over the place these days, where he's essentially saying

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Speaker 1: what we've been saying here all along, would be his out,

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Speaker 1: which is just, you know, the information change does the

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Speaker 1: medical community, I mean, are more people coming out and

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Speaker 1: reaching out to someone like you, for example, and finally

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Speaker 1: seeing the light here that Fauci and Lenski and Burke's

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Speaker 1: claim to know the answers at different points and shut

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Speaker 1: and people are seeing that. Their response is, oh, it

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Speaker 1: was evolving. They didn't tell us it was evolving as

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Speaker 1: it was evolving. Well, doctor Fauci, you know he's stepping

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Speaker 1: down in December, and it's not because the tennis club

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Speaker 1: starts in January. The new hearings are going to start

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Speaker 1: on Capitol Hill, and people are angry and they want

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Speaker 1: closure to some of these giant failures that he's had,

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Speaker 1: by the way, made. He's called all the shots. He

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Speaker 1: said yesterday on Fox that he talks to the director

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Speaker 1: of the CDC every day. He's never disagreed with anything

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Speaker 1: coming out of the CDC. So he's been calling the shots.

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Speaker 1: And he failed to warn us of the pandemic a

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Speaker 1: couple of days before the lockdowns. All he said was

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Speaker 1: old people shouldn't take a cruise, when many of us

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Speaker 1: were out there sounding the alarm, telling us to get ready.

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Speaker 1: He failed to recognize that children are essentially spared of

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Speaker 1: the severity of COVID, especially healthy kids, beyond the risk

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Speaker 1: of influenza and RSP. And he failed a recognized natural immunity,

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Speaker 1: which meant hundreds of thousands of lives were ruined. They

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Speaker 1: were fired, and he showed no humility. So he's been slow.

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Speaker 1: He hasn't mobilized the research dollars to answer the big

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Speaker 1: questions early on. That's his job. This main job is

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Speaker 1: number one job is to give out research funding. Well,

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Speaker 1: we're telling everyone to wash their hands like crazy for

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Speaker 1: months do that research. It takes about twelve hours to

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Speaker 1: The NIH has four of them and do that experiment.

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Speaker 1: He didn't do the research on handwashing versus airborne, on

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Speaker 1: natural immunity, on the booster strategy, on the dosing between

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Speaker 1: the first two intervals, and on the adverse event rate

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Speaker 1: of the vaccine in children including myo karditis. That stuff

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Speaker 1: was untouched. I think that was his greatest failure. Doctor McCarry,

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Speaker 1: you and the many of the signatories of the Great

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Speaker 1: Barrington Declaration, every single day are being more vindicated in

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Speaker 1: real time. Twenty years from now, doctor Fauci's eighty one.

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Speaker 1: I hope everybody listening around is still around here. I

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Speaker 1: hope Buck and I are. I hope you are. Doc.

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Speaker 1: Hope everybody out there listening is doctor Faucci's eighty one.

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Speaker 1: He'd be one hundred and one if he's still wive

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Speaker 1: a generation from now. What is history saying. Do you

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Speaker 1: think about our response to COVID and doctor Fauci's leadership

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Speaker 1: of that response. Well, we got lucky during COVID, and

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Speaker 1: I don't say this slightly, but the infection totality rate

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Speaker 1: was two tenths of one percent. In the world of

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Speaker 1: global pandemics. It was a mild pandemic. What happens if

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Speaker 1: we get an infectious pathogen with an infection fatality rate

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Speaker 1: of twenty percent or thirty percent. Now we've had a lot,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to have more. We've had ebola, zeka, stars, mers, polio,

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Speaker 1: I mean just in the last generation. We're going to

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Speaker 1: have more. The question is, now, will anyone trust what's

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Speaker 1: coming out of the CDC or health authorities? I don't

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Speaker 1: think so. I think now people have lost complete faith

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Speaker 1: and trust. We need fresh leadership, we need humility, people

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Speaker 1: need a closure, and I hope we can get it.

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Speaker 1: Do you think we're going to run into any of

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Speaker 1: the completely pointless, useless policies of the past reinstituted in

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Speaker 1: blue cities, doctor McCarry or even some blue states in

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Speaker 1: this upcoming cold and flu season, which is what we

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Speaker 1: used to call it now I guess COVID season as well.

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Speaker 1: Or is your expectation that enough people now realize. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I honestly think that some of the dumbest public officials

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Speaker 1: in the country are public health officials. So it has

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Speaker 1: been remarkable to see that play out. Well, what concerns me?

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Speaker 1: You know, Philadelphia started school again with masks on. Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, Boston up until the last day of June

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Speaker 1: never removed their mask mandate ever during the pandemic for

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Speaker 1: k through twelve. So, unfortunately, the vulnerable populations, the defenseless,

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Speaker 1: the children, the people who are poor, and minority communities

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Speaker 1: have disproportionately borne the brunt of these COVID restrictions, while

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Speaker 1: public health officials are in their second homes and on

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Speaker 1: zoom living a great life with their kids at country

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Speaker 1: clubs and with private tutors. That is the untold story

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Speaker 1: of the pandemic, and I hope people see the social

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Speaker 1: inequity of it all so they can remember it for

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Speaker 1: the future, Doctor McCarey. Just this news is out. We

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Speaker 1: mentioned Jill Biden, but I think this is interesting. Georgetown University, Buck,

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Speaker 1: you and I were talking about Georgetown earlier, one of

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Speaker 1: the top Jesuit institutions in the nation and one of

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Speaker 1: the top universities in the nation in general. It's requiring

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Speaker 1: all of its students to wear masks in indoor classes. Still,

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Speaker 1: doctor McCarey, this is an elite academic institution. When you

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Speaker 1: see a school like Georgetown making a decision like this,

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Speaker 1: basically in your geographic region, you're just up the road

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Speaker 1: a little bit. What do you think, Well, it's embarrassing

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Speaker 1: because I went to Georgetown from my surgical residency. I

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Speaker 1: didn't even know that. How long are they going to

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Speaker 1: do this for? I mean, first of all, they're ignoring

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Speaker 1: all the studies. The Finished study, the Catalonia study, the

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Speaker 1: Tracy Host study from UC Davis all showed no difference

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Speaker 1: in viral transmission when students and classrooms were masks. They

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Speaker 1: also have a vaccine and booster requirement there, So what

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Speaker 1: are they doing. They're torturing these poor students. Alumni are upset,

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Speaker 1: they're calling in and there's no end in sight for

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Speaker 1: some of these folks. I think people need to speak up. Well,

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Speaker 1: why do you think they're doing at Georgetown? Documcarry like, well,

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Speaker 1: what is the mentality are these people? Is it like

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Speaker 1: a mental illness now that they can't let this go?

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Speaker 1: Or do they just view it as political allegiance and

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Speaker 1: obedience training. I mean, they it's hard to believe that

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Speaker 1: the people at Georgetown University are such morons that they

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Speaker 1: actually think masking up students is going to do anything. Well.

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Speaker 1: I think there's this culture within the medical community and

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Speaker 1: among academic leads that I'm tougher on COVID than you are,

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Speaker 1: that I have a more myopic focus on stopping all

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Speaker 1: virus transmission, that I'm going to stomp out this virus

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Speaker 1: because I'm strong on COVID. And so when you have

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Speaker 1: a view of public health, it does not consider health.

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Speaker 1: It only considers one iris where the cure is worse

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Speaker 1: than the disease, where we have ignited a mental health crisis.

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Speaker 1: And that's exactly what's happened with young people. That's what

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Speaker 1: I think is happening right now. It's sort of like

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Speaker 1: somebody at work that says, you know, I like to

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Speaker 1: come in at seven am, so why don't we meet

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Speaker 1: at seven am? The next guy says, well, I like

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Speaker 1: coming at six am, and the next person's like, well

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Speaker 1: I liked coming at five am. Nobody likes coming in

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Speaker 1: at those hours. They're just trying to one up each other.

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Speaker 1: Go to the doctor's conferences that I've been to. I've

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Speaker 1: been to six major large doctors conferences with thousands of people.

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Speaker 1: In this year. No one's wearing masks, maybe five ten percent.

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Speaker 1: So what does Georgetown know that doctors don't know? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for all the work. You've done,

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Speaker 1: doctor McCarey, because I know speaking out has been challenging,

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Speaker 1: but I really do believe the vindication that we're seeing

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Speaker 1: every single day for what is occurring in this country.

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Speaker 1: You're a big part of why we're getting that vindication.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for all the work. Thanks so much. Guys. Look,

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Speaker 1: I want to tell everybody out there. We know mortgage

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Speaker 1: your mortgage forgiven. Biden can be out there saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna forgive every loan that's imaginable, but a lot

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Speaker 1: of you got substantial credit card debt. You got substantial

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Speaker 1: debt in a variety of different parts of your life.

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Speaker 1: Why not consider the value that has likely increased in

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Speaker 1: Once you get close to Thanksgiving, everybody's gonna be requiring presence.

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Speaker 1: You got family members you hadn't thought about forever that

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Speaker 1: suddenly you got to buy presents for, You got your kids.

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Speaker 1: All of it's going to add up, and at the

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Speaker 1: on those phone lines. Take some calls back of this hour.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting we've talked about the student loans and Clay

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Speaker 1: pointing out to me just now that there's we're being

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Speaker 1: pushed back even from Democrats, especially Democrats who are in

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Speaker 1: some maybe tight reelection battles coming up here, or who

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Speaker 1: are running in tight races about whether this student loan

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Speaker 1: ideas even good politics for Democrats. Put aside the whether

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Speaker 1: it's constitutional, all the stuff which we talked about in

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Speaker 1: the first hour, which I think we've laid out pretty well.

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Speaker 1: So we might go back into that in a few

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Speaker 1: moments here, but we just said doctor Marty McCarry on,

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Speaker 1: and effectively, this is a moment where Clay and I

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Speaker 1: can say, and all of you who listened to us

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Speaker 1: and agree have agreed with us now for over a

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Speaker 1: year on this issue, can say I told you so,

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Speaker 1: Libs about all this COVID stuff and how accountability is

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Speaker 1: so very important going into this mid term election because

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Speaker 1: Democrats took power into their hands, made decisions abused not

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Speaker 1: only abused science, I would say, very directly abused the constitution.

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Speaker 1: I mean, remember the Bide administration had a federal vaccine

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Speaker 1: mandate that they tried to get going with the Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court step again and saying you can't actually do that

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Speaker 1: to people, guys, that's a reason to vote against, honestly,

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Speaker 1: vote against any Democrat down the whole ticket. No Democrat

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Speaker 1: who supports any of that, which is all of them,

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Speaker 1: deserves to be elected or reelected. But on the crime issue, Clay,

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Speaker 1: we keep coming back to this. We're seeing stories that

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Speaker 1: certainly indicate how violent, how dangerous a lot of cities

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Speaker 1: have become, and it's happened the last few years. But

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Speaker 1: the numbers are staggering. What we see happening across the

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Speaker 1: country is just horrific, the number of shootings that have happened.

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Speaker 1: We have Philadelphia on track for after last year the

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Speaker 1: most murders in the history of the city. Is how

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Speaker 1: crazy that is for a city like Philade healthy to

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Speaker 1: be setting all time records right now. Yeah, it's it's

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Speaker 1: just unbelievable. And they're going to have an all time

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Speaker 1: record here for murders this year. Remember, very progressive, far

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Speaker 1: left prosecutor. You have similar numbers in a lot of

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Speaker 1: other cities Portland where we're on a great station k

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Speaker 1: e X in Portland, and we really appreciate all of

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Speaker 1: our our Portland folks tuning in. A lot of them

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Speaker 1: are and we had them calling before Portland area residents

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Speaker 1: right they live outside the city, because then the city

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Speaker 1: has been turned the Pacific Northwest. I've said this before.

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Speaker 1: I know you Greek Clay. It's one of the most

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Speaker 1: beautiful parts of the country. And Seattle and Portland should

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Speaker 1: be beautiful parts of the world. Yeah, it's amazing. Seattle

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Speaker 1: and Portland should be jewel cities of this. People should

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Speaker 1: be just. And San Francisco was look at this, San Francisco, Seattle,

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Speaker 1: Portland huge problems. Portland could surpass last year's shootings at Clay.

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Speaker 1: What was it? It's up. Murders in Portland, homicides in

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Speaker 1: Portland are up. I'm looking. I've got it right here

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Speaker 1: directly in front of me. Buck. A huge article in

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Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal. I was reading it over the weekend.

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Speaker 1: They averaged in Portland, Buck, between two thousand and two

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Speaker 1: nineteen twenty one murders a year. Firstually, I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: it happened, but it was almost unheard of for the

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Speaker 1: first twenty years of the twenty first century. Last year, Buck,

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Speaker 1: they had eighty eight murders in Portland over a quadruple

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Speaker 1: ing first nineteen years. Almost unheard of for a murder

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Speaker 1: to happen. I don't know that there's any city in

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Speaker 1: America that has quadrupled its murder total in the last

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Speaker 1: couple of years, like Portland has. And for the most part,

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Speaker 1: this is a Wall Street Journal article. Wall Street Journal

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Speaker 1: best newspaper in America, and there's not a close second

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Speaker 1: right now. By the way, Wall Street Journal eighty eight

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Speaker 1: murders in twenty twenty one. They're on track for another

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Speaker 1: massive increase over the historical averages in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: We saw twenty twenty this is insanity. So you also

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Speaker 1: had a thousand shootings in Portland last year, which was

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Speaker 1: a massive increaest thing. But there's only three hundred and

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Speaker 1: sixty five days in a year, everybody. Portland is not

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Speaker 1: a large city. It's six hundred and fifty I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's a midsize say six hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: thousand people in Portland. So what does that puts it?

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Speaker 1: Probably top fifty, maybe top forty cities in the country.

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Speaker 1: I'd have to look at the specific numbers, but Clay

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Speaker 1: by way of comparison, so Portland had what was the

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Speaker 1: most recent I just did the math twenty one for

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Speaker 1: twenty years, so what's the most recent? Last year was

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Speaker 1: eight last year. If you were to if you were

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Speaker 1: to do the math on this one. If Portland were

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Speaker 1: the size of New York City and you expanded out

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Speaker 1: the murders per capita. You just did the math on

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Speaker 1: this one. You're getting pretty close to a thousand murders, right,

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Speaker 1: that's what it would be if if Portland were the

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Speaker 1: size of New If you look at a city like Baltimore,

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Speaker 1: for example, which had which has hundreds of murders a year,

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Speaker 1: and you expanded that to be the size of New

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Speaker 1: York City, you would also see a similar You know,

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Speaker 1: you're getting to like the worst days of the nineteen nineties.

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Speaker 1: New York had two thousand, two hundred murders in nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety nineteen ninety one. We're going back to the days

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Speaker 1: when people didn't feel safe at all in the streets.

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Speaker 1: We're moving in that direction. And now let's get to

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Speaker 1: the why. The answer is stupid ideas from Democrats, and

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Speaker 1: I know it's it's very straightforward. Yeah, this is not

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00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: They told us it was COVID. That was a lie.

855
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: They told us that it was just not even happening.

856
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: It was a data blip, it'll go away. That was

857
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: a lie. The fact of the matter is that Democrats

858
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: have engaged in an all out leftist assault on the

859
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 1: criminal justice system, from policing to prosecution to incarceration at

860
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: all levels. And what we're seeing is the criminal element

861
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: in place after place, city after city doesn't feel like

862
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: they're going to suffer serious consequence. They commit more and

863
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: more serious crimes as a result. And people are fleeing

864
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: cities now because of this. It's happening all over the country,

865
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: and they should flee these cities, and there should be

866
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: political consequences for the people that have made these insane decisions.

867
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Speaker 1: And here's what I would point out to everybody. The

868
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Speaker 1: reason why Portland is such a fascinating window into failed

869
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: Democrat policies is Portland is probably the most left wing

870
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: major city in America today. And I'm defining major city

871
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 1: for everybody out there, kind of city that could have

872
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: a pro sports franchise, Right, Trailblazers, Portland, they have a

873
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: Proland's about twenty fifth twenty six by population at check,

874
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 1: that's at top forty. It's like twenty fifth twenty six. Okay,

875
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: name a city that is more woke than Portland. I

876
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: bet almost everybody out there listening, right, I mean, they

877
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: made a show called Portlandia, which was basically mocking the white,

878
00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: woke community that is the underlying foundation of port used

879
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: to be, to Buck's point, a jewel of the Pacific Northwest,

880
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: one of the safest places in all the country. I

881
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: bet there's not one major city in America, Buck, that

882
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: has quadrupled its murder rate in the last couple of

883
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 1: years in the entire United States. I bet you can't

884
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: find one. Is it a coincidence that the wokest city

885
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: in America the one that repudiated police the most aggressively

886
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: and went in with left wing defund the police, Antifa

887
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: protest constantly. Is it a surprise that they quadrupled their murders,

888
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: that that went up more than anywhere. I don't think so.

889
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: I think it's a natural consequence. And if we're not careful,

890
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 1: every city becomes Portland. And let's look at what they did.

891
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: I mean, we talk about this in the in the

892
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: terms of the stats, the numbers. What are the decisions

893
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,439
Speaker 1: that they made. And when I say day Democrats down

894
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: the lost not a single Republican. This isn't a both

895
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: sides issue. This isn't oh, they do things, we do

896
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: things left and right. No, no democrat. Have Democrats have

897
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: total dominance of the city. They do things like they say,

898
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: let's let people live on the streets, meaning camp on

899
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,240
Speaker 1: the streets, set up campsites wherever they want on the street,

900
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,240
Speaker 1: in the park outside your home. Well, that also brings

901
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: down property values. That makes people feel less safe. And

902
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,760
Speaker 1: sure most of the people camping out aren't actually harming anybody,

903
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:26,240
Speaker 1: but it's unsanitary. They're harming themselves. They make drugs legal

904
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: for people to do outdoors. They've had a huge increase

905
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 1: in overdose deaths, which they said they remember they legalize

906
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 1: drugs to make people safer from the drug use, and

907
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: actually more people are doing drugs and dying as a result.

908
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: Then they say, well, we don't want to be too

909
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,240
Speaker 1: strict with people when it comes to not only public

910
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: urination and defecation, which they decide is also legal, all

911
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: quality of life primes. Then it's let's not arrest people

912
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: for shoplifting. Let's set a really high limit, say, I

913
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 1: don't know, nine hundred dollars, which is what they've had

914
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: in California recently, before you're going to get arrested in

915
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: charge with a felony or anything serious at all. So

916
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: let's effectively decriminalize stealing, open air drug use, living on

917
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: the streets, urinating in public, you know, indecent exposure, which

918
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: is going on all the time. Essentially, let's bring as

919
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 1: many criminal, deeply schizophrenic drug abusers possible, have them descend

920
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 1: on our city. And then when people do really bad stuff,

921
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: let's not lock them up for long periods of time

922
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: because we don't want mass incarceration. And let's just see

923
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: what happens. And we're seeing what happens, and the small

924
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 1: businesses that are trying to make a living, the small

925
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: business owners all over Portland. People don't feel comfortable on

926
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: the streets, so they're not coming into downtown, they're not

927
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 1: traveling around like they ordinarily would. In fact, Buck, let's

928
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: out what do we do this every now and then

929
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,399
Speaker 1: we have a large audience in Portland. I'd like to

930
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,280
Speaker 1: hear from people who live in Portland what the last

931
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: couple of years have felt like. As your murder rate

932
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,280
Speaker 1: has quadrupled. And we could talk about all different sorts

933
00:51:58,280 --> 00:51:59,879
Speaker 1: of crime, but one reason we like to talk about

934
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: murders on this is it's hard to determine sometimes whether

935
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: other crimes are going up because people might not call

936
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 1: the police as often over their scooters getting stolen, like

937
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 1: happened to Buck in New York City trauma. But for

938
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 1: the most part, if there is a dead body, there

939
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: is an investigation. It's a tally that's somewhat reliable quadrupling

940
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Speaker 1: murder rates one eight hundred two eight two two eight

941
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 1: eight two Only Portland people, what's it like to live

942
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 1: in your city right now and have all of these

943
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: failures raining down upon you such that arguably Portland is

944
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 1: the biggest failure of the post George Floyd era in America.

945
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: It is also really the home city of Antifa. It

946
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: is the city more than any other. I mean, Seattle's

947
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: probably right up there, I mean you could, but Portland

948
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: has an Antifa presence. That is, it's consistent. Anytime there's

949
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 1: any kind of a right wing gathering, a conservative or

950
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,919
Speaker 1: a Republican gathering, you know Antifa was going to show

951
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: up there. So, which is Antifa's really just a distillation

952
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: of left wing They're essentially the shock tropes of the

953
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: shock troops of left wing woke ism. And do you

954
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: remember when the mayor there Ted Wheeler during during the

955
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 1: whole BLM summer of violence and destruction. Ted Wheeler like

956
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: showed up the mayor of Portland, was like hey, guys, like,

957
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: I'm here for you. They're like, shut up, you little nerd,

958
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: like we hate you. And it's just yeah, exactly, it's

959
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: just destruction and anger and rage and stupidity, all with

960
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: Democrats blessing it, pushing it along, almost all white woke democrats.

961
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Speaker 1: I just want you to be thinking about this. The

962
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: worst people in America, the people who are destroying America,

963
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: the most white woke Democrats, and Portland is a perfect

964
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: approximation and epitomization of exactly what's going on there. I

965
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: want to take some of those calls. Portland, You're on

966
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Speaker 1: the clock. We'll talk to you next segment. We're also

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Speaker 1: going to talk with Julie Kelly, who has been doing

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Speaker 1: Julie Kelly with us now. She's senior writer at American

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Speaker 1: Greatness and has been following the situation here of the

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Speaker 1: trial of men accused of a plot to kidnap the

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Speaker 1: governor of Michigan, Gretchen Whitmer. Julie, appreciate you coming back

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Speaker 1: to join us. Hey, guys, thanks for having me on. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So the breaking or not breaking. The recent news I

1000
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Speaker 1: should say from just yesterday is that federal prosecutors finally

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Speaker 1: got two convictions in the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot against

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Speaker 1: Barry Croft and Adam Fox. They now face up to

1003
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Speaker 1: life in prison. There's a lot to break down here

1004
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: for everybody. First off, the first time around there were

1005
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Speaker 1: no convictions. Why do you think it was different this time?

1006
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Speaker 1: And what do you need to what does ever need

1007
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Speaker 1: to know about how this all went down? Well, how

1008
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Speaker 1: it went down is it was an FBI sting operation

1009
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Speaker 1: from start to finish. It required the involvement of at

1010
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Speaker 1: least a dozen ADI undercover agents and informants working with

1011
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,959
Speaker 1: their FBI handlers out of a few different at THEI

1012
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 1: field offices. This was a massive operation entrapment scheme to

1013
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 1: stitch together this group a kind of random outliers, you know,

1014
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: some kind of outcastman misfits who were posting on social

1015
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: media their rage about lockdowns, and a quarters in Michigan

1016
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: had one of the harshest and longest lockdowns. So the

1017
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 1: FBI got involved, stitched this group together, organized all of

1018
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: these events and excursions, including a surveillance trip to Gretchen

1019
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: Witmer's cottage, which was supposed to be the scene of

1020
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: the crime, organized by FBI informants and undercover agents. They

1021
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: arrested these men in October of twenty twenty. This lady

1022
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: was probably recalled wall to wall headlines blaming Donald Trump

1023
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: for these writing militious trying to take out one of

1024
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: his most public political foes. But it turns out it

1025
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: was totally orchestrated, engineered by the FBI. That's by in April,

1026
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: when these four men went on trial, the government didn't

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Speaker 1: get a single conviction. It was just stunning the beach.

1028
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: I mean, this sort of thing never happens. Two men

1029
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 1: were outright acquitted hungjury on Adam Fox, very content. You

1030
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: just said to retry the case. Eight days of testimony lessons,

1031
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: about seven hours of jury deliberations and shocking the history

1032
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: returned to convictions on every single account. The difference to

1033
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: your question was the judge. The judge fully threw his

1034
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: weight on the side of the government, and we's to

1035
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: talk about some of those details, but that's the difference

1036
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Speaker 1: between in the style. Julie, I appreciate you keeping us

1037
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Speaker 1: updated on the Michigan case. I want to go to

1038
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Speaker 1: Mara Lago for a moment. As more details are coming

1039
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: out and this appears to be less and less of

1040
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: a significant issue. Are you still confident the government is

1041
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: going to try and charge Donald Trump based on the

1042
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: Mora Lago raid or do you think some of the

1043
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: pushback on Merrick Garland has got the Department of Justice

1044
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: a little bit shaken. Oh, I wish that there was

1045
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: anything to get this DJ shaken. There's absolutely no stopping them.

1046
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: They have no barriers, they have no guardrails. They're getting

1047
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: away with whatever they want in court, not only related

1048
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Speaker 1: to this raid, but in their January sixth prosecution. So

1049
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: they're completely untethered. There's no reason why they should not

1050
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Speaker 1: and will not indict Donald Trump. And though we've talked

1051
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Speaker 1: about it before, the Moral Lago rate was to create

1052
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 1: optics to make it look like this was going this

1053
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: is legit, right, a legit criminal investigation, which it's not.

1054
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Speaker 1: So this was to create optics. And quite frankly, as

1055
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Speaker 1: they've written at American Greatness, the Democrats have ratcheted this

1056
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Speaker 1: up so high they really put themselves in a court

1057
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Speaker 1: price from their base who wants blood. They finally want

1058
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Speaker 1: to see Donald Trump at handcuffs. If the Democrats don't deliver,

1059
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Speaker 1: they will pay a price. So I don't think there's

1060
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Speaker 1: any listening backs for them now. So Julie, just to

1061
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: be clear, you are still as confident because you even

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Speaker 1: before the Moral Law Go raid came on this show,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of people now remember to this said, wow,

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Speaker 1: before the raid of Marrow Lago, you believe that there

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Speaker 1: was going to be a high likelihood of a prosecution

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Speaker 1: of Donald Trump. You still believe that. I absolutely do.

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Speaker 1: I think I was like ninety nine percent. Now I'm

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Speaker 1: like one hundred and five percent. You said ninety nine percent,

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Speaker 1: which is pretty like I'm not even ninety nine percent

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Speaker 1: sure that I'm gonna wake up tomorrow. So I'm pretty

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Speaker 1: that's a pretty high likelihood. You're you're ninety nine percent sure,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna prosecute Donald Trump, or they're gonna bring some

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Speaker 1: kind of criminals. She's one hundred and five percent bucks.

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Speaker 1: She's she's going sorry, going yeah, go going on onto

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Speaker 1: the next level. I mean, I will say it has

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Speaker 1: been remarkable, Julie to see how when they initially did it,

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Speaker 1: because I do think there was a bit for normal people,

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Speaker 1: not for libs who watched too much CNN. There was

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Speaker 1: the shock of wow, you're sending dozens of FBI agents

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Speaker 1: into a president and possible future president's residence. And they said, oh,

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Speaker 1: just wait, it could be about a lot or and

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Speaker 1: now it's oh no, the dispute with the National Archives

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Speaker 1: is super serious. This was totally totally fine is what

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Speaker 1: they're trying to sell us, and criminal which just seems nuts. Yes,

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Speaker 1: the librarian is upset that, Yeah, this is this is

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Speaker 1: such a good point. We talked about this some yesterday,

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Speaker 1: Julia Buck, I just want to jump in. This is

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Speaker 1: a dispute with the National freaking Archives. Yeah, who even

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Speaker 1: it's Clay, how many years you live in DC? I

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Speaker 1: don't even know where the National Archives is. I lived

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Speaker 1: in DC for like seven years. This is gonna be

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Speaker 1: either the most embarrassing or the biggest nerd move ever.

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Speaker 1: I've been to the National Arves to do research there,

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Speaker 1: but the idea that anybody inside of the National Archives

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Speaker 1: could get an FBI raid on anyone, much less a

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Speaker 1: former president. If the National Archives had raided my dorm

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Speaker 1: room when I was at George Washington University, I would

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Speaker 1: have been like what the Archives, Like, what are you

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Speaker 1: talking about? And the idea that they can get a

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Speaker 1: raid from Department of Justice, Julie, I mean, this is crazy.

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Speaker 1: Nobody's even talking about this, the freaking National Archives, I know.

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Speaker 1: But if you, of course, if you watched the last

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Speaker 1: in Siana, well, the National Archives said, and she's very upset,

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Speaker 1: you know, he gave them four weeks to turn over

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Speaker 1: their documents. Who are you? I mean, if somebody took

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Speaker 1: the Constitution and tried to smuggle it out from the

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Speaker 1: Archives or something like that, I'd be like, Okay, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is just so laughably absurd to me, Julie,

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Speaker 1: that we're really having an unprecedented act. The Department of

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Speaker 1: Justice has never done this before, and they're doing it

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Speaker 1: over basically a librarian being mad. Well, I mean, it

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Speaker 1: sort of went from he has the nuke codes to

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Speaker 1: you know, you've got an overdue library book and how

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Speaker 1: dare you not put the little card back inside of it?

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Speaker 1: You're going to get your library card revokes. Like this

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Speaker 1: is crazy, But that's nice that it was part of

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Speaker 1: all the optics, right, because most people aren't paying attention

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Speaker 1: like we are, and they don't see this as a

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Speaker 1: dispute with this nameless, faceless bureaucratum, so they think, Okay,

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Speaker 1: well maybe they really did find something at Marlago and

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Speaker 1: this really is a serious investigation, and the FBI wouldn't

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Speaker 1: do this. Of course our site knows this. Now it's

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Speaker 1: total folly. We know the FBI and DOJ's completely weaponized

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Speaker 1: on behalf of the Democratic Party. I do think more

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Speaker 1: Americans are waking up to that. But if evidence doesn't matter,

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Speaker 1: I've seen what this DJ is getting away within the

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Speaker 1: CC District Court. They are making up charges, they have

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Speaker 1: lied about evidence, The judges don't call them out. The

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Speaker 1: grand jury signs off on whatever this DJ puts in

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Speaker 1: front of that. Yeah, I mean, Julia, due to your point,

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Speaker 1: I was just I was talking to some other conservative

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Speaker 1: heavy hitters recently and a lot of them were surprised

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Speaker 1: about the DC Circuit judge who was holding one of

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Speaker 1: the j six defendants in military no no bail because

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Speaker 1: of the risk of another insurrection, and that was officially

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Speaker 1: written down in the judicial opinion. They're like, really, that

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Speaker 1: can't be. Yes, it is, it absolutely is. I mean

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Speaker 1: they're holding men accused of non violent felonies of the

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Speaker 1: stupid obstruction of an official preceding charge, which has never

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Speaker 1: been used in this way. You've judges denying people men

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Speaker 1: bail based on that selony alone, and as you said

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Speaker 1: tied to January sixth, well we can't. You know, we

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Speaker 1: can't endorse this insurrection. You have to pay, and we're

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Speaker 1: going to deny you bail. So, I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: what this is what we're dealing with in DC. It

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Speaker 1: is I call it a circle of hell for the

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Speaker 1: defendants who are trapped in it. They won't change the venues,

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Speaker 1: they won't dismiss any counts, and this is the same

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Speaker 1: judicial legal circle of hell that's gunning for Trump and

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Speaker 1: I think will be very will be successful. Julie, We're

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Speaker 1: going to have you back as this moves along. We

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Speaker 1: really appreciate you following this and other big legal stories.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for being every which to check out Julie's book

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Speaker 1: January six, How Democrats use the Capital Protest to launch

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Speaker 1: a war on terror against the political right. Julie, thanks

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Speaker 1: so much. Thanks guys. That a great day. Julie really

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