WEBVTT - Introducing: Shoot the Messenger 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:05.000 Hey there, Dransportista listeners. I'm Nando Vila. We're taking over 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:07.800 the feed to share a pretty wild story with you. 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:12.760 It's called Shoot the Messenger, Espionage, murder and Pegasus Spyware. 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:16.320 I've been working on this project for over two years. 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:20.320 Shoot the Messenger is a new bi weekly serialized podcast 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:24.960 from Exile Content. Season one is all about Pegasus spyware. 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:29.319 Pegasus is the world's most sophisticated spyware to date. It 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:33.520 can give full access to your phone. That means everything, 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:39.120 your texts, emails, phone calls, camera, microphone everything. How did 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:43.080 this spyware come to be? We'll investigate how it works, 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:47.240 who makes it, and the industry booming around it. In 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:49.920 episode one, which you're about to hear, will start with 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:53.880 the murder of journalist Jamal Kashogi and uncover how Pegasus 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:56.600 was found on the phones of many in his inner circle. 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:07.160 Here is Shoot the Messenger. Dubai is known for luxury, 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:11.880 high end shopping and a bump in nightlife. The heat 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:15.920 and the United Arab Emirates can be oppressive, but in 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:20.400 springtime Dubai can be pleasant. You can expect sunshine with 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:29.000 clear skies, balmy but not too hot. It was a 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:32.679 night like this on April twenty first, twenty eighteen, when Hanan, 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:37.000 a latter, landed in her hometown of Dubai after twenty 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:40.440 two years as a flight attendant with Emirates Airlines. The 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:44.920 routine had long turned to muscle memory. On this Saturday night, 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:48.200 Hanan had just finished a long flight from Toronto. Her 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:50.920 shift was over and she was tired and ready to 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:57.000 go home. Hanan would have been wearing the standard Emerani uniform, 0:01:57.040 --> 0:02:00.120 a fitted cream colored blazer with red piping with the 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:03.840 signature red pillbox hat. And this is where I like 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:06.920 to imagine Hanan and red pumps clacking along in the 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:10.440 manner which is distinctive to crew and pilots no matter 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:13.360 how often you fly, pulling a black roll away behind her, 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:16.800 always black, and maybe she had one of those squarish 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:21.720 tote bags strapped on top of her roll away. Hanan 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:25.680 had deboarded a plane, exited the gate area, and walked 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:30.800 through immigration at Dubai's International Airport thousands of times, but 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:37.120 this time something was different. And this immigration people they 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:40.280 know me by name. He normally took my passport to 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:43.240 speak to me about my filife, but in this case, 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:46.720 he said, Hannah, within a sif the system is down 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:52.079 and I feel there is something roome. Hanan rushed into 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:55.960 a nearby bathroom and locked herself in a stall. She 0:02:56.040 --> 0:02:58.480 called the person she always called once she landed at home, 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:02.200 her sister, and I told this my sister, there is 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:06.320 something go on. Hanan had a terrible feeling that the 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:09.600 Emaradi men hanging around immigration had something to do with 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:14.000 her fiance. Her fiance was a journalist known for speaking 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:18.040 out on human rights, and in the UAE, loudly defending 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:23.079 human rights could get you detained or even jailed. Hanan's 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:25.560 fiance had already told her he worried about the way 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:29.240 his work would impact her life. He gave me the 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:32.600 engagement drink, and when he puts a rink in my hand, 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:35.920 he sits Hannan and his skit. I might be a 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:40.880 curse in new life. I might create a problem for you. 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:45.600 Hanan wasn't involved in politics, She hadn't had any run 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:48.600 ins with the police, But sitting in that bathroom stall 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:52.280 in the Dubai airport, her fiance's words echoed in her head. 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:58.760 I remember this wound. I was very scared. She gathered 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:02.760 herself and left the stall. When Hanan walked out of 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:06.480 the bathroom, she was quickly flanked by Emarati intelligence officers. 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:12.800 One of the member Toldni, woke was us quietly in 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:18.080 the behavior, Chef, I realized you just have to comply 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:23.599 with Jim. Hanan was then handcuffed, blindfolded, put in a car, 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:27.599 and taken to an interrogation cell. I cannot express to 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:31.280 you what is by feeling gives this time the band 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:35.640 in my stomach from the bank. The intelligence officers demanded 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:38.320 she hand over all of her devices, a laptop and 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:42.719 two Android phones, and that she share her passwords. She 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:45.680 was taken to a remote location where she was questioned 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:52.400 overnight and into the morning. Seventeen hours later, the intelligence 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:58.560 officers returned Hanan's devices and took her home. Hanan wanted 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:01.680 to resume the life she'd built for herself, leading a 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:05.359 cabin crew across trans atlantic flights, traveling and visiting family. 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:08.560 She looked forward to her wedding ceremony in Washington, d C. 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:13.040 Just a couple of months away. But after she was detained, 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:18.280 everything changed. It turns out that while Hanan was being questioned, 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:22.400 the Emaraudi intelligence officers were executing a much more effective 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:25.880 plan to get information from her. I never had my 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:30.599 normal life back. That's because when Amaradi intelligence officers had 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:35.320 Hanan's phone, they installed a highly sophisticated piece of spywear, 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:39.360 and as Hanan went about her life, the spywear had 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:43.839 unknowingly turned her into an informant, providing a direct window 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:53.000 to the person she cared about. Most fears are growing 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:57.600 over the fate of missing Saudi journalist Jamakah, who vanished 0:05:57.640 --> 0:06:01.200 after entering the Saudi Arabian Consulate. The restrung bold details 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:03.520 are pouring in about the likely death of this Washington 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:10.160 Post columnist, Kagi, and they are just simply horrifying. Jamal Kashogi, 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:13.440 Hanan's newly wet husband, the Saudi journalist who had been 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:16.320 living in Washington, d c. In self exile writing op 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:19.760 eds for the Washington Post, was assassinated just months after 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:26.440 her detention. We never thought me, uncle Jamal. They will 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:30.320 be extremists to the level to kill him in this 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:35.719 terrible way. When Kashogi disappeared from the Saudi consulate in 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:38.679 twenty eighteen, it would be weeks before the world learned 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:42.560 what occurred in his final hours. But it's taken years 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:45.599 for us to learn he wasn't just killed, he was 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:48.880 systematically hunted in a way we have never seen before. 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:52.640 And what we now know is that the first weapon 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:58.160 used against Kashogi was digital and it's called Pegasus. Pegasus 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:00.960 is probably the most advanced piece of sware. It is 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:04.360 effectively the most invasive form of survey and it's imaginable. 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:09.360 Licenses this software to intelligence and law enforcement agencies worldwide. 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:13.760 Tool can also be deployed by a government to crush descent. 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:17.400 Pecasus is a kind of software that can be used 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:21.160 to hijack your phone. It's a military grade spying software. 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:25.440 It's this magic thing. It can infect your phone, and 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:28.520 once it does, it's inside of your phone and it's 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:33.239 like a little worm and it can burrow into every 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:37.160 piece of equipment in your phone. This is Dana Priest. 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:40.920 She covers national security for the Washington Post, the same 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:46.320 newspaper as Jamal Kashogi. It can turn the microphone on, 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:49.040 it can turn the camera on. It can go into 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:52.240 all of your photos, all of your emails, even your 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:57.320 deleted messages, and scoop them up and take them somewhere 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:01.160 twenty four seven and you'll never know it. You'll never 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:06.520 know it. Pecasus implicates several countries and multiple government agencies 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:11.320 and unites unlikely allies. It's part of a massive and 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:18.320 mostly unregulated, multibillion dollar global industry. Battlefields aren't physical anymore. 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:21.920 They aren't far away across oceans or borders. They're in 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:25.200 our pocket. And the threats that journalists face as they 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:29.160 seek out and reveal uncomfortable truths are threats that we 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:32.840 are all vulnerable to, no matter where we live, who 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:38.520 we know, and what we do. Jamaica Shogi's assassination reveals 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:42.200 that journalists are the canaries in the coal mine these days. 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:44.760 You don't have to be a high profile journalist, or 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:47.640 a dissident or a famous truthteller to get swept up. 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:50.880 If you've ever had a phone, if you've ever had 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:58.960 a secret, you're at risk. Two. I'm Nando Vila and 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:02.800 I'm Rose Reed and this is Shoot the Messenger, a 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:08.320 new investigative reporting podcast from Exile Content Studio. Every season, 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:12.200 we investigate one international news story you may have heard 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:16.520 the headlines. This is the deep dive. Nando and I 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:19.840 started the series with one question, what is the biggest 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:23.240 threat to journalists today. We put up a bulletin board 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:25.560 and stuck a pen for every journalist who was threatened 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:28.440 or assassinated or if they had a family member who 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:31.560 was threatened or assassinated directly because of their work in 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:35.480 the last five years. And we found one link that 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:39.320 kept coming up again and again, from Mexico to DC 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:44.680 to the United Arab Emirates Pegasus. How did this spyware 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:48.480 come to be? How does it work? And how vulnerable 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:51.760 are you? Over the course of ten episodes, we're doing 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:56.160 a special partnership with the Committee to Protect Journalists on espionage, 0:09:56.520 --> 0:10:01.640 murder and Pegasus spyware? Hell could have happened in there? 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:05.280 Which piece together what happened almost like who done it? 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:08.840 Given one instance of an attack, can we trace that 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:12.480 to other instances in the other countries as well? Regardings 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:16.160 are spying and the Bagatis, we did not know. They 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:19.400 did track him through me because they know am the 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:27.840 closest to unto him. They starget me. Episode one Jamaica Shogi, 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:34.240 a story told in three parts his life, death and betrayal. 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:42.280 Jamal was a great man as a journalist and as 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:46.160 a husband. Hanana latter first met Jamalka Shogi at a 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:49.560 conference in two thousand and nine. Jamal is a kind 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:52.080 of person we can say is not in the right 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:55.280 or left. He's in the medal in his opinion and 0:10:55.400 --> 0:11:00.440 his vision because his very open minded. Any bad grounds 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:04.360 can sit down with Jamal, any race, any idology and 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:07.400 do you have a different view from him, but you 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:11.440 will walk away with a smile. Nana Kashogi captain touch 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:13.559 and they are friends for almost a decade before their 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:18.280 romance began. Imit Jamal first time two thousand nine in 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:23.120 Dubai where I grown up and I remember very well. 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:26.800 We had a conversation over two hours. He was talking 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:31.000 about the Middle East politics and forum policy of US 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:35.839 toward the Middle East, and we realize we are like 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:40.240 a twin and we continue. And I always used to 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:44.000 give him a feedback in any article, any publish opinion. 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:46.319 I used to give him a feedback and he was 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:49.920 always waiting for me, calling me up, discussing with leaves. 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:52.959 Kashoki spent most of his career as a writer and 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:56.599 editor for Amadina, one of the oldest and biggest newspapers 0:11:56.640 --> 0:12:00.439 in Saudi Arabia. Koshogi had grown up among the social 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:04.319 elite and considered himself a moderate, but over time he 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:07.560 developed a reputation in the Middle East for speaking truth 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:12.360 to power. Speaking out cost him several jobs. He was 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:15.439 fired from Almadina for publishing pieces that were critical of 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:19.880 the Saudi regime, supporting women's rights to drive, or blowing 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:24.320 the whistle on corruption among the religious police. Kashogi then 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:28.480 worked for Saudi ambassadors and diplomats, living between Washington, d C. 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:32.280 And Saudi Arabia. This way he was able to maintain 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:35.959 his elite social status in the kingdom, and then in 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:39.720 twenty eleven, the Arab spring erupted across the Middle East. 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:43.560 It's the first Arab revolution of the twenty first sent 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:46.880 three or it will be precodet that people were fearless, 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:51.120 but that they were joyous. Mbarak deposed egypt eighteen day 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:57.440 revolution defies all expectations. Protesters across Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Syria, 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:01.079 and Bahrain used social media to nize the masses and 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:04.520 take to the streets. In turn, many leaders in the 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:07.520 region began to heavily surveil social media in order to 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:11.959 curtail public discourse and dissent. A new industry developed to 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:15.599 keep up with government's demand to surveil the press was 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:19.440 a major target. The Committee to Protect Journalists has reported 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:22.080 that at the end of twenty twenty two, more than 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:25.439 three hundred and sixty journalists, which is a twenty percent 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:29.679 increase over twenty twenty one around the world are currently imprisoned, 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:34.199 either charged with crimes against the state like treason, or 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:37.599 their paper of record charged with libel, or even a 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:42.480 personal matter exposed if illegal in their country, like committing adultery. 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:46.520 Journalism such a critical component at the outset of the 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:49.840 Arab Spring, has become one of its long term casuals. 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:52.280 For the very first time, a lot of the main 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:56.680 television channels in Egypt are directly owned by the Egyptian military. 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:59.840 This is new. You only need to target a handful 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:03.920 of journalists before the rest of them are in line. 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:08.760 Enjoying the episode, make sure to subscribe to Shoot the 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:13.439 Messenger Espionage, Murder and Pegasus spyware. You can find exiles 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:17.440 Shoot the Messenger anywhere you get your podcasts. Okay, let's 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:21.760 get back to the episode. Following the Arab Spring, in 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:25.520 twenty eleven, authorities across North Africa and the Middle East 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:30.280 increased online censorship and took over broadcast networks and media companies. 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:35.760 Revolution did not come to Saudi Arabia, but in twenty fifteen, 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:39.800 Saudi Arabia got a new leader. Now, at thirty one, 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:44.000 an astonishing rise to power appears complete. They call him MBS. 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:49.080 He's young, popular and promising more change than his country's 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:54.280 ever seen. The Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, commonly referred 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:58.840 to as MBS, initially spoke of reforms. He allowed women 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:03.160 to drive and attend sporting events. But while MBS endorsed 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:07.080 some social reform, he crushed any type of political reform 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:11.360 or opposition. Here is a clip of Jamalka Shogi commenting 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:13.560 on the new leadership, taken from an interview he did 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:18.960 with Global News. I have mixed feelings about that. I'm 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:22.280 very much supportive for his reform but his social reforms, 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:25.800 But at the same time I repeatedly say he doesn't 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:31.800 need to disintimidation. Muhammad bin Samon took the new social 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:35.080 media playbook to a new level in Saudi Arabia. He 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:40.000 worked closely with authorities to watch, target and silence any opposition, 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:45.680 either discrediting opponents and complex media campaigns or arresting them 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:51.080 and sometimes their family members as well. Kashoki's friends advised 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:56.080 him to be careful. It was sad to me, but 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:59.520 it is noted that right time to shave MBS and 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:04.040 his media is our singled out independent journalists after Koshogi 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:06.920 openly questioned the Saudi regime support for the newly elected 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:10.880 American President Donald Trump on Twitter, authorities told Koshogi to 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:15.400 stay offline in two thousand and sixteen because he stid 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:19.880 a negative opinion about electing Prisidan Donald Trump. The Saudi 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:24.480 authority did most like he speaking frankly and ask him 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:27.560 to sit down at home not to write anything. Most 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:35.320 to Abeer almost under house arrested in the summer of 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:39.320 twenty seventeen, Jama Kashogi decided it was time to leave 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:43.280 his home country of Saudi Arabia. What iver ner space 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:46.040 I had was getting nerwer, So I just decided to 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:49.480 leave before it is to day. I'm sixty years old 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:51.880 and I want to enjoy life, and they want to 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:56.280 be three to speak for my country. Koshogi continued his reporting, 0:16:56.800 --> 0:17:01.240 but he never considered himself a dissident. Jammal did not 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:06.840 leave to criticize, only justa for Asiko criticize Jiammel was 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:10.880 optimestic about future of his country. He loved his country, 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:14.919 but he loved to be identified as in Saogia and Arabs. 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:19.000 Kashogi went to DC and began writing op eds for 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:22.680 The Washington Post. Kashogi put more than six thousand miles 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:25.680 between himself and the Crown Prince and thought he would 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:28.040 start a new chapter, one where he could be free 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:34.640 to speak his mind. Hanan allowed her remembers the day 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:38.760 Kashogi arrived in the United States. I was in London 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:42.520 in this day, operating my flies. Immediately I called to him, 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:46.000 so shaken him. I was so happy, and I did 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:49.160 tell him something and I believe in it. I said, 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:54.719 make use of your freedom. Speak up, and Kashogi did 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:57.840 speak up. He used his new platform in the United 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:01.400 States to comment on his home country and Middle Eastern politics, 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:05.440 and his first columns for The Washington Post, Kashogi wrote, 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:09.320 quote Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince is acting like Putin, and 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:14.679 quote Saudi Arabia wasn't always this repressive. Now it's unbearable. 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:19.920 As Jamaka Shogi worked in exile, his fan base grew 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:23.880 to over a million followers on Twitter. Saudi has an 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:27.679 extremely active Twitter base. There's data showing that more than 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:31.720 seventy percent of Saudi's are Twitter users. Even an ocean 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:35.040 away from Saudi Arabia, Jamaka Shogi still knew he had 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:38.639 to be cautious. He avoided going to Saudi embassies and 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:41.440 would tell his fellow exiled friends to avoid them too, 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:46.080 But he wasn't scared. As Hanan would describe, he was 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:50.320 trying to be careful, but he wasn't scared for his life. 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:53.720 He never come back home and the woods at Shane 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:56.400 fifty chin in the door I used to do before 0:18:56.440 --> 0:19:00.199 we go to sleep. Kashogi got comfortable with his new 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:03.760 life in exile, but he was homesick. He wanted to 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:07.040 build a more permanent home and turned to Istanbul Turkey, 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:10.800 a mix between East and West, closer to his home country, 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:14.680 but what Kashogi considered a safe enough distance. We agree 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:16.920 you have to buy a flesh in the Istanbul, to 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:19.440 get a passport and to get a shelter from the 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:24.320 Turkish authority. Moving a Turkey this is where things got 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:29.359 a little more complicated. Well, Jamal's personal life was more 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:37.080 complex than we knew before he died. He had two relationships. 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:42.280 One was a longer relationship and he was married, and 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:47.120 that was Hanan. And the second relationship that we knew 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:54.280 more about was his recent fiance Hadijja in Turkey, so 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:58.119 the two women did not know each other. During a 0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:01.719 trip to Istanbul, a friend entered Koshogi to a Turkish scholar, 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:06.920 Hatija Sinez around the same time Kashogi married Hanan in 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:10.760 a religious Muslim ceremony in Washington, d C. He began 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:15.919 dating Hatijha and Istanbul and Hanan didn't know about Hadija, 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:20.920 and Atisha didn't know about Hanan, and most people, honestly, 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:24.960 even his good friends, did not know about Hanan. We're 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:29.000 not here to focus on Kashogi's romantic endeavors. He's not 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:32.240 here to explain himself to us or to the women 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:36.159 in his life. But it's important to know because to 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:39.920 understand how Koshogi died, we need to unpack the logistical 0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:45.320 details around the engagement to Turkish scholar Hatisha Singdez Because 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:50.600 to get legally married in Turkey, Kashogi needed paperwork, and 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:54.399 to get that paperwork, Kashogi had to go to the 0:20:54.480 --> 0:21:08.119 Saudi consulate in Istanbul on Friday September twenty eighth, twenty eighteen, 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:12.360 Jamal Koshogi didn't make an appointment to visit the Saudi Consulate. 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:18.040 He just walked in and to Koshogi's surprise, he was 0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:22.840 greeted warmly. After years of experiencing harassment and intimidation from 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:25.640 the government, which had ultimately forced him to live in exile, 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:29.320 Kashogi found himself being offered tea by the Saudi officials 0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:32.480 in Istanbul. They told him to come back Tuesday, October 0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:36.520 two to get the final paperwork. In the last five days, 0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:40.200 Kashogi was alive. He lived like a freeman. He traveled 0:21:40.200 --> 0:21:42.719 to London for a conference, made plans for the future. 0:21:43.400 --> 0:21:46.359 He was emailing his editors at the Washington Post, bloodsapping 0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:49.800 with friends across the world, texting with Hanan, and arranging 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:55.240 logistics with Hatiche back in Istanbul the morning of Tuesday, 0:21:55.359 --> 0:21:59.720 October second, twenty eighteen, Koshogi met Hatija at an empty 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:03.040 apartment in Istanbul, one that would be their new home. 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:07.280 CCTV captured the couple holding hands on their walk to 0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:10.800 the Saudi consulate. They went together to the Port sult 0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:15.800 and it's in a quiet leafy very pretty residential area. 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:18.720 This is Carlotta Gaul, the bureau chief of the New 0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:22.000 York Times in Istanbul, who reported on the Jamaica Shogi case. 0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:27.800 He handed her his bones and goes in, and so 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:32.320 she waited outside. It was one fourteen pm when Kashogi 0:22:32.520 --> 0:22:35.440 entered the consulate, and then that was the last any 0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:39.600 one sour of him. And then she's hanging around for 0:22:39.800 --> 0:22:44.280 hours after until finally it's clear that consult's closed and 0:22:45.040 --> 0:22:48.160 she asks the god. They say there's no one here. 0:22:48.280 --> 0:22:51.600 She asks the police and they say everyone's gone. That's 0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:55.399 when she started, and it calls to people. Her teacher 0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:59.200 made many calls that night, including some to journalists, which 0:22:59.280 --> 0:23:01.160 is how Carlotta I got the tip that because Shogi 0:23:01.280 --> 0:23:06.280 had disappeared from the Saudi consulate. The next day, I 0:23:06.440 --> 0:23:10.920 went up the consulate and that's where I ran into 0:23:11.119 --> 0:23:14.480 her dj and she's sort of still there, pacing the sidewalk, 0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:18.200 and she'd been there all that previous night, and then 0:23:19.680 --> 0:23:23.000 was outstanding outside the whole the next day, and I 0:23:23.119 --> 0:23:25.920 was the first interview she gave. But she when she 0:23:26.000 --> 0:23:29.840 saw me, she just started to open up little Saudi 0:23:30.000 --> 0:23:33.679 dissidents who wouldn't go near a Saudi concert or embassy. 0:23:34.160 --> 0:23:37.960 I knew there were stories of previous kidnappings. I was 0:23:38.040 --> 0:23:40.280 thinking he might have been taken out in the trunk 0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:43.760 of a car, and I was imagining he had been 0:23:43.920 --> 0:23:47.520 taken to an airport, private airport and already deported or 0:23:47.640 --> 0:23:55.640 you know, renditioned, as the word goes, What happened? Security 0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:59.560 camera captured the last time journalist Jamaica Shogi was seen 0:23:59.680 --> 0:24:01.800 a lot. The group of senators is also written to 0:24:01.880 --> 0:24:05.600 trigger an investigation. The State Department says that is premature. 0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:15.119 Dana Priest remembers the day Jamaka Shogi went missing. My 0:24:15.280 --> 0:24:17.639 mind kept flashing back to the two of us. We 0:24:17.760 --> 0:24:22.480 were seated around this gigantic empty table, very beautiful white tent, 0:24:22.920 --> 0:24:25.840 white tablecloth. That face kept coming back to me, and 0:24:25.920 --> 0:24:29.040 I just kept saying, what in the hell could have 0:24:29.160 --> 0:24:32.240 happened in there? You know, in no way could I 0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:39.680 have imagined what was happening. M Yeah. No. As news 0:24:39.720 --> 0:24:43.200 of Kashogi's disappearance spread across the world, local reporters on 0:24:43.280 --> 0:24:46.600 the scene in Istanbul, including Carlotta Gaul, were working together 0:24:46.720 --> 0:24:50.359 to get more information, but none of us had any 0:24:50.720 --> 0:24:55.400 idea of what really had happened. We pieced together what happened, 0:24:55.520 --> 0:24:59.479 almost like who done it. For one week, Jamaka Shogi 0:24:59.600 --> 0:25:04.560 remained unaccounted for. The Saudi government evaded questions about his disappearance. 0:25:05.359 --> 0:25:07.560 It was as if he had vanished into thin air. 0:25:08.560 --> 0:25:13.760 And then Turkish intelligence released secret tapes. So we've been 0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:16.480 able to piece together the last minutes of Kashogi's life. 0:25:17.520 --> 0:25:22.160 Be warned, it's quite explicit. Major breaking news this morning, 0:25:22.200 --> 0:25:25.800 a jaw dropping exclusive on the murder of Washington Post 0:25:25.880 --> 0:25:30.200 journalist Jamaica Shogi. New footage that is flat out shocking. 0:25:30.560 --> 0:25:34.080 Buying in white inside was a Saudi hit squad. The 0:25:34.119 --> 0:25:39.959 transcript indicates noises as people set upon ki. Ki can 0:25:40.040 --> 0:25:43.600 be heard saying I can't breathe. Kashogi was then injected 0:25:43.680 --> 0:25:47.040 with a sedative and suffocated with a plastic band brought 0:25:47.119 --> 0:25:51.560 with them an autopsy's expert and a bone saw to 0:25:51.600 --> 0:25:54.600 put the buddy in a back no too heavy, very cool. 0:25:54.680 --> 0:25:58.560 Kashogi was allegedly beheaded and dismembered Limb by Limb, apparent 0:25:58.680 --> 0:26:02.680 leader of the team. At least three phone calls during 0:26:02.720 --> 0:26:06.240 the murder to a number Turkish officials identify it as 0:26:06.320 --> 0:26:10.080 being in the Saudi Royal Court. The thing is done. 0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:14.800 It's done. It is possible that Jamal's body was transported 0:26:15.200 --> 0:26:17.520 back on one of the planes. A lot of meat 0:26:17.720 --> 0:26:20.399 was bought for a barbecue that took place in the 0:26:20.520 --> 0:26:24.560 console's garden just after the murder took place, and that 0:26:24.640 --> 0:26:28.159 the theory being that Jamal's body was mixed with this 0:26:28.600 --> 0:26:33.920 meat and incinerated at a very high temperature. And it 0:26:34.080 --> 0:26:38.040 still kind of appalls me that we were standing there 0:26:39.119 --> 0:26:43.480 in the street outside this building where this unbelievable murder 0:26:43.560 --> 0:26:46.680 had already occurred, you know. And I still think of 0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:49.680 that of poor Hardig, to think that she was just 0:26:49.840 --> 0:26:53.080 standing there while he was being hacked to death inside. 0:26:53.240 --> 0:26:57.760 And I'm sure she still thinks of that every day. 0:27:00.080 --> 0:27:05.440 Koshoki's murder caused an international uproar. The grizzly details came 0:27:05.480 --> 0:27:09.080 out because Turkish intelligence admitted that they had been bugging 0:27:09.200 --> 0:27:12.960 the Saudi consulate. The Turk shared the tapes with the 0:27:13.119 --> 0:27:15.440 UN so the world would know what had happened to 0:27:15.600 --> 0:27:20.680 Jama Kashogi. Investigations by both the UN and the CIA 0:27:21.560 --> 0:27:26.359 unequivocally linked Koshogi's murder with direct orders from inside the 0:27:26.480 --> 0:27:30.560 Saudi Kingdom. We have breaking news this afternoon. Saudi Arabia's 0:27:30.600 --> 0:27:34.840 Crown Prince Mamad Been Saman approved the assassination of Washington 0:27:34.880 --> 0:27:38.760 Post columns Jamal Khogi in twenty eighteen. The report based 0:27:38.840 --> 0:27:41.359 in one of Kashogi's last columns for the Washington Post. 0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:45.560 He wrote, what the Arab world needs most is free expression. 0:27:46.520 --> 0:27:49.159 It has been four years since Kashogi's murder, and the 0:27:49.240 --> 0:27:51.399