1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M Hello, 4 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: and welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 5 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: my name is Paul. They call me Ben. We are 6 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: with our super producer Paul deck Ins. You are you, 7 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. 8 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: Today's episode will just cut straight to the chase. Is 9 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: about an epidemic in Hollywood that has existed for a 10 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: very very long time, longer uh than anyone listening to 11 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 1: the show today has been alive unless they are sent 12 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: more than a century overd uh. We're talking about the 13 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: epidemic of sexual abuse in Hollywood, as well as the 14 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 1: long running, active conspiracy to aid and abet the perpetrators 15 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: of these crimes while punishing, suppressing, blackballing, and dismissing their victims. 16 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 1: And that's the kicker here. This is the very definition 17 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: of a conspiracy. It's something that's been swept under the rug, 18 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: whether actively or just through in action, for decades, and 19 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: because there are powerful people involved who have connections in 20 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: places that would be important to have if you were 21 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: going to create a conspiracy such as this. And I 22 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: just want to say that for for me personally, and 23 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: I think you guys would probably agree, is I just 24 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: want to be an ally, um to folks that have 25 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 1: experienced this kind of abuse and discuss it in as 26 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, away as possible, and put this 27 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 1: information out there for folks that maybe don't know the 28 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: depths of it. Um. But we are going to get 29 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: into some descriptions of some behavior that is both aberrant 30 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: and possibly triggering. So just warning you right now. Agreed 31 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: and well said, we want to cause san all listeners 32 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: that this episode does contain reports of abuse and may 33 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: not be suitable for all audiences. Additionally, we have over 34 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: the lifetime of this show, we have we have covered 35 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: things that may sound you know, silly or reverend, but 36 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: we consider this a moral imperative on our part. And uh, 37 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 1: it's no secret that Hollywood is by and large often 38 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: seen as a sleazy place. And although we always want 39 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: to avoid painting things with an overly broad brush, Tinseltown 40 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: has to a degree earned this reputation, a large degree. Yeah, 41 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 1: there's uh this thing you may have heard of called 42 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: the casting couch, and this is a tactic that's been 43 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: around for the past century. It's it's the practice where 44 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: a producer or director or someone who is high up 45 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: um in the industry, in the movie industry in particular, 46 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: will demand or perhaps even hint at sexual favers in 47 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: exchange for a role in a film or for even 48 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: a TV commercial or anything really um and they will 49 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: try and get these favors from aspiring actors. That's probably 50 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: the most vulnerable people who are hungry and getting into 51 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: the industry, as well as established well known actors who 52 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: are trying to reignite their career or something or even 53 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: just you know, go to the next level, you know, 54 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: in their career. Yeah. Absolutely, and not just actors, of course, 55 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: we're also talking about members of production crews. We're talking 56 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: about anyone that could be involved in this industry. And 57 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: that casting cow situation is so insidious because it almost 58 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: it doesn't require implicit requesting of of a sexual act 59 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: It doesn't you don't have to come out and say it. 60 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: It's a lot of it is implied with subtext, and 61 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: there is this underlying sense that if I don't do 62 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: this in one way or another, I am not going 63 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: to get this job, or I am to be mistreated 64 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: in some way or blacklisted. Yeah, that real fear of 65 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: being blacklisted is something that's that we're going to see 66 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: play out throughout the stories. Yeah, and it's a very 67 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: rational fear, because it does happen. It is most terrifyingly 68 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: happening to people as we sit in the studio today. 69 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: It's often said that some people will do almost anything 70 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: in the pursuit of fame and or power. But it's 71 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: also true that people who acquire massive amounts of fame 72 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: and power often have very little oversight regarding how they 73 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: choose to wield it. Yeah, we have an example here 74 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: from one of the strongest voices I think uh in 75 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: dealing with this subject, Amber Tamlin. She wrote in The 76 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 1: New York Times on September six. She says, for women 77 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: in America who come forward with stories of harassment, abuse, 78 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: and sexual assault, there are not two sides to every story. 79 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 1: However noble that principle might seem. Women do not get 80 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: to have a side. They get to have an interrogation. 81 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: Too often they are questioned mercilessly about whether their side 82 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: is legitimate, especially if that side happens to accuse a 83 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: man of stature, then that woman has to consider the 84 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 1: scrutiny and repercussions she'll be subjected to by sharing her side. 85 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: And of course we would be remiss if we did 86 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 1: not establish that this is not something that is solely 87 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 1: limited to women. Absolutely, but but very much the majority 88 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 1: of people experiencing this are women. And that power dynamic 89 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: that we're talking about is has a legacy, you know, 90 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: I mean of these you think about these executives, these 91 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: powerful male, kind of dominating figures that own the town, 92 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: and that has just been perpetuated over time. Absolutely, and abusers, 93 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: depending upon their position, were historically protected and currently protected 94 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 1: by powerful interests too often worked not only to keep 95 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: the story out of the press, but also to keep 96 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: these criminals out of jails where they inarguably belonged. The 97 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: situation appeared to change, or begin to change over the 98 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: course of twenty seventeen. Prominent performers and executives who were 99 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: once protected by this invisible system of power and influence 100 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: found their victims speaking out, fighting back, and the crimes 101 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 1: of these formerly untouchable individuals surface without suppression into the 102 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: public sphere. Today, we're exploring this phenomenon to see how 103 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 1: what was once most definitely the stuff Hollywood doesn't want 104 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: you to know, has finally gained mainstream recognition as the 105 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: dire epidemic that it is, and along the way will 106 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: investigate several specific cases. Yeah, we're gonna look at names 107 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: like Harvey Weinstein, which kind of kicked off this whole thing, 108 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: Bill Cosby, which was even before that that kind of 109 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 1: maybe led to that breaking point. It's interesting that Bill 110 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: Cosby sort of felt like his in case where it was, 111 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 1: you know, this very wholesome seeming man had done all 112 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: of these horrible things behind closed doors. But Weinstein really 113 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: cracked it open because he represents something else that that had. 114 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: It's I don't know Cosby too. I mean he was 115 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: a producer, He abused many people that were seeking to 116 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: work with him and for him. But for some reason, 117 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: when the Weinstein revelations came about, everyone started coming forward. Yeah, 118 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: it represented the the larger structure of Hollywood, and it's 119 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: not that much different with Louis c. K. He's another person. 120 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: We're gonna look at a producer and director and somebody 121 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: who's has a lot of control, and we're gonna look 122 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: at a lot more people as well, and We're also 123 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: going to briefly touch on the historical allegations, which were 124 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: again for decades somewhat ignored by the mainstream press and 125 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: at least a lot of times kept out of the 126 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: court system. I would say, even worse than a crime 127 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: of negligence or neglect on the part of the press 128 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: is the crime of the attacking. And we'll end on 129 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: some questions as well, not just who knew what and when, 130 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: and not just what Hollywood as a whole will do 131 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: in support of the victims, both unknown and known, but 132 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: we'll also ask what happens next, will anything actually permanently 133 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: significantly change? And here are the facts. As we record 134 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: this episode, over thirty prominent men from various entertainment industries 135 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: have been accused of sexual misconduct, harassment, assault, and rape. 136 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: We have specific examples from Hollywood, and perhaps we should 137 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: start with Harvey Weinstein. The allegations against Harvey Weinstein date 138 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: back decades. There are early reports We're talking very early, 139 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: all the way back to the nineteen seventies, and they 140 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: kind of continued bit by bit throughout the years. But 141 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: then in October of two thousand seventeen, the New York 142 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: Times published allegations of sexual harassment and assault against this 143 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: gentleman um and currently, as are recording this episode, there 144 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: around thirty prominent actors and over eighty women in total 145 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: who have come forward with reports of abuse or attempted 146 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: abuse at least by Harvey Weinstein. And Weinstein and his 147 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: brother Bob made names for themselves as head of the 148 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: Weinstein Company, and I believe they also owned Mirramax, and 149 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: you know, they kind of were an important force in 150 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: mainstreaming indie film. And I guess you could say you're 151 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: talking about everything from Kill Bill and going back in 152 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: with Tarantino movies. You're you're talking about big ones um 153 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: or the Rings franchise, or or magnificent works of art 154 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: like Frieda, which Weinstein fought to suppress and then gladly 155 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: took credit for when it won numerous awards. If you 156 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,079 Speaker 1: look at their top movies, you're looking at some of 157 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 1: the highest grossing movies around. It's a gold standard in 158 00:09:55,400 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: in some cases of during these allegations, Weinstein's legal teams 159 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: spent great amounts of money to reach confidential settlements with 160 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: the victims. In each case, the legal team was careful 161 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: to include some kind of clause or language arguing something 162 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: along the lines of this is not an admission of guilt, 163 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: but that's a statement that rings false. And consideration of 164 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 1: the just the sheer amount of money like estimated to 165 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: be involved here, you know. They also he used spies 166 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: to infiltrate some of these groups to get information out 167 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: of certain women that were accusing him of things. It 168 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 1: goes really deep and pies and and you think about 169 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 1: the conspiratorial aspect of all that. Um fighting back against 170 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: people who are going to speak truth to power. Yeah, 171 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: and lately there have been some new allegations that have 172 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: come up. The director Terry's way Goff, who made one 173 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: of my favorite documentaries of all time. Crumb Um also 174 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: did the Bad Santa movie, which was interesting, but apparently 175 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: Um in conversations with Winsten, anytime he would mention interest 176 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: in the actress Mira Sorvino, Um, he would get a click, 177 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: he would get hung up on, and that had surfaced 178 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: in another allegation from Peter Jackson involving Mira Sorvino, saying 179 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: that any time her name came up, Uh, there was 180 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,319 Speaker 1: just active aggression from from Harvey and his brother and 181 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: they of course denied it because that was specifically referencing 182 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: the Lord of the Rings movies, which Weinstein Company initially 183 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: was going to bank roll, but then they lost it 184 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 1: to new Line. So the Weinstein line was we had 185 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: no control overcasting because it ultimately left our hands. But 186 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,079 Speaker 1: then it's been corroborated with the Terry's Wigov allegations. So 187 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: there are a lot of levers a man like that 188 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: can pull to keep things, keep people hushed up about 189 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: this kind of stuff, whether it's the victim themselves or 190 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: anyone else in the industry that knows. And and back 191 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:55,839 Speaker 1: to the casting couch thing, the reason a lot of 192 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: this is so insidious is you don't have to be 193 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: told to shut up. You just know. There's this culture 194 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: that pervades this, you know town that's based around this 195 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: particular industry where if you don't see someone that's really 196 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 1: being brave and setting an example coming forward at great 197 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: cost to themselves like we're seeing now, chances are you're 198 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: gonna be terrified into submission and just you know, fear 199 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: for your livelihood. And that specific case with Mirror Servino 200 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: as has been corroborated, as you said. In addition, there's 201 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: Rose McGowan, in whose career was also cut short. Weinstein, 202 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: like many other serial criminals, had an m O yes, 203 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: a mode of operation that his typically involved deception. For example, 204 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: inviting an actor or a colleague to a quote unquote 205 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: business meeting only to later change the location, insists they 206 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: hold the meeting at night in a hotel bar or 207 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: in his office in his hotel. Uh. And then he 208 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: would often be coming out of the bathroom in a 209 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 1: row book. He would outwrite pressure them for sexual activity 210 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: in exchange forecasting consideration. And we have a specific example 211 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: of Harvey Weinstein's behavior from before the scandal broke yes. 212 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: This one comes from two years ago. Twenty two year 213 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: old woman accused Weinstein of touching her inappropriately during an 214 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: evening meeting at his Tribeca Film Center offices. Um. And 215 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: it comes from the New York Times. So the New 216 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: York Times did write about this. They had two stories. 217 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: The first one was the allegation of groping and the 218 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: second one was this one. It says the woman told 219 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: investigators that Weinstein touched her in appropriately after telling her 220 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: that it was important for casting agents to know whether 221 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: her breasts were real. So, um, just that's insidious already. 222 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: She contacted the police after the meeting, and at the 223 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 1: direction of the detectives, placed another call to Weinstein. They 224 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: recorded that one uh and then during this call, Weinstein 225 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: actually acknowledged that this episode had occurred. And then they 226 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: had a follow up meeting, this time at a hotel room, 227 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: and she wore a wire. They recorded it. I have 228 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: not heard this tape. It is shocking is not the 229 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 1: right word. It's just the way he's so nonchalant about it, 230 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: and he's so matter of fact about it, and he 231 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: basically just keeps telling this woman's model, Um, don't embarrass me. 232 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: And then come into mind, come into the room, let's 233 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: talk about this. Come into my room. Don't embarrass me. 234 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: I'm at this hotel a lot. I'm a big deal 235 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: around here. And then she says you tell it, says you, 236 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: but you touch my breast. I'm not comfortable with this. YadA, YadA, YadA. 237 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: And he said, look, it's what's what I'm used to. 238 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: He just says it, just tosses it off like it's nothing. 239 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: Chilling is the is the word I was looking for. Well, Um, 240 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: in the end, I'm going to read a quote from 241 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: the article. Quote this case was taken seriously from the outset, 242 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: with a thorough investigation conducted by our sex crimes unit. 243 00:14:56,080 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: After analyzing the available evidence, including multiple interviews with of parties, 244 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: a criminal charge is not supported. So, um, nothing happened 245 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: to Harb Weinstein because of this, And you know, you 246 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: can get into the minutia of the law there about 247 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: what constitutes um sexual assault and abuse and misconduct and 248 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: all of that, but it certainly seems like something very 249 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: wrong occurred there and nothing happened, and this, this could 250 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: fill an episode entirely with the exploration of Weinstein's crimes. 251 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: We want to we want to paint a picture of 252 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: the system at play here because it is a systemic phenomenon. 253 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: So let's move to Bill Cosby. Accusations against Cosby date 254 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: to at least the nineteen sixties, meaning they span the 255 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: vast majority of the seventy eight year olds career. He, 256 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: like Weinstein, or again any other serial criminal, also had 257 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: an m O. His Numerous victims described crimes with a 258 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: startling similar charity. Uh Cosby would make a drink or 259 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: a beverage for the victim, slip a drug into the beverage, 260 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: and then sexually assault or attempt to assault them when 261 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: they lost consciousness. For example, Uh, Christina really was a 262 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: twenty two year old secretary at a talent agency in 263 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: l A nine when she met Cosby. So she was 264 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: a secretary, not an inspiring act or anything. And she 265 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: said that she alleged that he invited her to his home, 266 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: where she says she passed out after two drinks. It 267 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: was foggy, and I woke up in bed, she reported 268 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: to Philadelphia Magazine. I found myself on the bed. He 269 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: had his shirt off, he had unzipped his pants. I 270 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: was just coming to Cosby did go to trial. A 271 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: lot of these votes have not even gone to a trial. 272 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: He went to a trial, uh last June, and the 273 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: trial lasted six days. It ended in a jury deadlock. Currently, 274 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: as we record this, Bill Cosby is set to return 275 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: to court for a retrial in April two thousand eighteen 276 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 1: on three counts of felony assault. And we talked about 277 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: this a little bit off air. This is this is 278 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: a country with a rule of law. Right, So if 279 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: there had not been a retrial, we would say that 280 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: he had been tried and exonerated, right, But he is 281 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: still in the court system for this, and given his age, 282 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 1: there are concerns about his lucidity, which, to be frank 283 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: with you, is is similar to some of the questions 284 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: we have asked in previous shows about prosecuting war criminals. 285 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: That's exactly what I was thinking. Yeah, at this point, 286 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 1: the general is in his eighties and you know, he 287 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: can't even really remember all the atrocities that that he 288 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: ordered way back in the day. But but how do 289 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: you bring something like this to justice? And does it 290 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: I mean, and it doesn't negate the existence of a 291 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: crime absolutely, and then used said how many actual official 292 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: um charges? This current trial in April will be for 293 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: three counts of felony assault And I've read the accusers 294 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: number as high as and many of these um are 295 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 1: sort of constrained by statutes of limitations that that do 296 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 1: differ state by state. But there is a period of 297 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: time past which you cannot prosecute these crimes anymore. And 298 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 1: for further information on that, there is an excellent article 299 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: uh in Mother Jones that contains a map indicating the 300 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: statute of limitations for rape survivors or assault survivors state 301 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 1: by state. And it is arguable with Bill Cosby's case 302 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: that it kind of opened the floodgates for more people 303 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: to outwardly discuss some of this stuff. Um, I remember 304 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 1: when Hannibal Burris like put it in a piece of 305 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 1: a stand up and I didn't. I knew nothing of 306 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,959 Speaker 1: any alegations against Bill Cosby at the time. Another one 307 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: of those open secrets they always talk about, Yeah, years before, 308 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: and one of the most powerful things the survivor can 309 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 1: hear after surviving is that you are not alone at 310 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: so hearing somebody else speak about the same thing happening 311 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: to them or a very similar thing is very powerful. 312 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 1: And that's also what happened with another example we mentioned 313 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: at the top, the comedian Louis c K. In the 314 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 1: years preceding twenty seventeen, Louis c K became one of 315 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: the most famous, well known comics in the Western world. 316 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: His live shows repeatedly sold out, his stand up specials 317 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: played on repeat, and households across the planet. His independently 318 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: produced TV series met with critical acclaim, and he based 319 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: his voice on this sort of self deprecating, cynical, but 320 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 1: ultimately honest character, one who readily confessed any number of 321 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: controversial beliefs apparently understandable yet edgy foibles and so on. However, 322 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 1: there was a much darker side to the actual man 323 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: playing this character on stage, and it was by his 324 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: own admission eventually. Yeah. Well, for years, rumors had swirled 325 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: around the industry itself, specifically the comics people who ran 326 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 1: the show there, about Louis c K being a powerful 327 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: force in that world, but also backstage when you know, 328 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: when he's kind of in the dark, he was a 329 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: bit of a monster. Um. Specifically, there were female comedians 330 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: comics on tour with c K who would tell the 331 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: same story over and over and over that this guy 332 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: who is you know, not their boss in anyway on 333 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: these tours, but he's definitely as the headliner, there's a 334 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 1: position of power out there. Yeah. And and he's a 335 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: big name, and he's a draw. And they said that 336 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,719 Speaker 1: he would corner them either backstage or at a hotel 337 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: after a show and would force them to watch him 338 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: pleasure himself, to watch him master being. Yeah. And while 339 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: this was, as we said earlier, another open secret in 340 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 1: the world of comedy, people outside of the industry only 341 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: heard reports along the lines of a victim who does 342 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 1: not want to be named has accused a very powerful 343 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 1: comedian of sexual harassment result but fears pursuing justice will 344 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,360 Speaker 1: endanger their career. And it's interesting in the same way 345 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: that Hannibal Burrows kind of like lit the spark that 346 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: that's sort of blew the Cosby thing wide open um. 347 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 1: Comedian Tig Nataro had been openly criticizing Louis c K 348 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 1: for not getting out in front of this accusation, because 349 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 1: he would be asked about it in interviews and say 350 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 1: something the effective like, I don't wanna, you know, justify 351 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: it with or dignify it with the response you know 352 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,880 Speaker 1: it's it's utterly not true and and if I talk 353 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: about it, it'll give it life in some way. And 354 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: you know, Tig who her show One Mississippi, was produced 355 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,959 Speaker 1: by Louis c Ka, and she said that she was 356 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: not aware of the extent of these allegations when she 357 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: signed on to his production company or agreed to sold 358 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: the show to to Netflix. And it's interesting too because 359 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: in a in a similar way to something that Cosby did, 360 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: Luisy K would kind of joke about these kind of 361 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: proclivities in his routine and in his stand up and 362 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 1: his show and you know, like about you know, being 363 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: basically just an incorrigible horn dog. And there's even an 364 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: episode of of Louis where he kind of well, he 365 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: he sort of assaults Pamela Adlon's character, who plays kind 366 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: of his you know, on and off again love interest. 367 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: He pushes her against the wall and it ultimately kind 368 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: of ends up. She's okay with it, but it's a 369 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: little like knowing what we know now, it does not 370 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: play well. And that's the same for Cosby. He had 371 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: a bit where he talked about how the beauty of 372 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 1: Spanish fly, Spanish fly this aphrodisiac that you and he 373 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: talks about slipping it to women and their drinks. And 374 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 1: it's like in this very lighthearted, silly routine from his 375 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: early super clean comedy days. So a lot of truth 376 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: is told in just including an unpleasant truth. And we 377 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 1: have further examples after a word from our sponsor. Now 378 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: we go to Kevin Spacey, the actor famous for such 379 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 1: films as The Usual Suspects and Seven, as well as 380 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: the Netflix adaptation of House of Cards. Spacey also stands 381 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 1: accused of harassing multiple people on and offset again. This 382 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: was a practice members of various Hollywood social circles knew 383 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: about for years. The specific claim that brought this into 384 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: the mainstream occurred in October of seventeen, when an actor 385 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 1: named Anthony rap accused Spacey of sexual assault slash harassment 386 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: when Spacey was twenty six and when Anthony Rapp was fourteen. Yeah, 387 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: and there have been more multiple accusations against Kevin Spacey, 388 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 1: and a lot of them have to do with the 389 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: young men, very young men in their early teens um 390 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: and a lot of it is just so disheartening that 391 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: I don't even want to talk about it, but you 392 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: can find it. Yeah, and this also will you also 393 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,959 Speaker 1: hear director Brian Singer mentioned in some of these cases. 394 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: Bryan Singer who directed The Usual Suspects, a film that 395 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,919 Speaker 1: made space E quite famous, and as of the time 396 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 1: of this recording, more reports of space of surface. Police 397 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: in the UK are currently investigating new claims against him. 398 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: And one one crucial thing for us to emphasize here 399 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 1: is that it is not just the film industry, absolutely, 400 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: and it's you know, it's it's any industry where these 401 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: sorts of inequalities of power exist. Uh. The music and 402 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: entertainment mogul Russell Simmons would be one, just one example 403 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: from the world of music, and then even the world 404 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: of celebrity chefs who you know end up in the 405 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: television industry quite often, Um, like Mario Batali and John Besh, Yeah, 406 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 1: television host newscasters, Matt Lauer, Charlie Rose and and more. 407 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: Billy Riley is another one. We got Morgan Spurlock and 408 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:26,360 Speaker 1: Tavis Smiley, Jeffrey Tambourg, Steven Seagal, Brett Ratner, Dustin Hoffman, 409 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: Jeremy Piven. Uh, there's a new one that just came out. 410 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: T J. Miller, who was you know, yeah in Silicon 411 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 1: Valley and he's a you know, popular stand up. Some 412 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 1: allegations that date back to his college days just surfaced 413 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: where a woman that he was apparently dating at the 414 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: time said that he choked her during sex and penetrated 415 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: her with objects against her will and left her bruised 416 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: and bloody, and um, you know, as he rose in 417 00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 1: prominence and all of these other allegations to surface. This 418 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: is what we're seeing, is we're seeing people. Okay, I've 419 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: been carrying this around, you know, for a long time, 420 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,640 Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna do it anymore and you finally 421 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 1: like feel like you haven't out, like you you're not alone, 422 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: and that maybe just maybe someone will you know, take you, 423 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: believe you. And in the case of Miller, I believe 424 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: they were originally in a comedy group together along with 425 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: the person who's currently married to. It's really heartbreaking, all 426 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 1: of it, and then it's and it just doesn't stop. 427 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 1: And in a in a way it's it's cathartic and 428 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,719 Speaker 1: it's a it's a good thing to finally see some 429 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,679 Speaker 1: come up, and but it's also just so disheartening to 430 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,199 Speaker 1: see how much of how many of the people whose 431 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: art we we love and who you know, we've been 432 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: entertained by over the years, are at the heart just 433 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: like rotten, rotten people. It's it's hard to fathom being 434 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: a fan of a lot of the names that we 435 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: have discuss us like over the year, supporting with our money, 436 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 1: supporting with our adoration, and while this stuff is going on, 437 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 1: it's a it's a tough pill to swallow. But the 438 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,120 Speaker 1: worst thing is that there are real victims who are 439 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: you know, out there and just having to deal with 440 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: this in real life. Garrison Keeler executives at MPR. The 441 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: list goes on, and by the time this episode reaches 442 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: the air, it is more than likely that there will 443 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: be more exposed criminals to add to the ranks of 444 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: powerful serial sexual abusers. I mean, in short, there's one 445 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,679 Speaker 1: thing we know for short thus at this point, and 446 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: that's that there are more stories will come to light, 447 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: hopefully as this system of silence begins to break down. 448 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: But here's where it gets crazy. All of the dates, 449 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: the names, the facts and figures from earlier that we 450 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: have just discussed are as of this recording conclusively proven. 451 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: But these reports appear to be the tip of a 452 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 1: minister and tragic and and disgusting iceberg. It's at this 453 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: point virtually impossible to know for certain how many actors, 454 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 1: crew members, other studio or industry staff have also been victimized. 455 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 1: And it's impossible to know whether all these criminals responsible 456 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:22,439 Speaker 1: for this behavior will ever receive punishment for their crimes. 457 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: You know, because as as we mentioned earlier, Weinstein was 458 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 1: booted from his job. He was fired, but that's not 459 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: the same as going to court. But it's also only 460 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: when it becomes a good business choice do those things happen. 461 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: And finally, we're seeing and I think he's being very 462 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: empathetic about this. But Ridley Scott, for example, had a 463 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: film starring Space that was done and they went back 464 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: into production and cut Space out of this movie, and 465 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: I think that was the way he tells it, it 466 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: was the right thing to do. But it's also like 467 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: it would have affected the grosses of the movie. So 468 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: it's it starts to like, you see these decisions being made, 469 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: all thank god, they're finally wising up in Hollywood, are they? 470 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: I mean, it just feels like, Okay, finally we have 471 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: to act because it's the right business move, right. Like 472 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: Bob Weinstein, it is wildly implausible that he had no 473 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: clue what was happening working with his brother over decades. 474 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: It's like the way Tarantino came out and was like, 475 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: you know, at first, I didn't know, and then kind 476 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: of came back a little bit later saying I knew 477 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: more than I let on. You know, these people were cronies. 478 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: They were hanging out at parties together and villas and 479 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: you know, living the high life. Going to these film 480 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,719 Speaker 1: film festivals. You observe this kind of behavior and you 481 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: can't not know. And people are the human species. Out 482 00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,959 Speaker 1: of all of the strange things were enhanced ignition gives us. 483 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: The human species has one incredibly disturbing gift, which is 484 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: the ability to rationalize why I or why an individual 485 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: is doing something. People will do a lot when they 486 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: feel like their careers on the line, and they'll ignore 487 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: a lot too. Historically, Hollywood, like any other insular industry 488 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: or many other I should say, is that a reputation 489 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: for protecting its own. This has been a long standing tradition. 490 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: Roman Polanski is a great example. Roman Polanski. This is 491 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: not alleged. He was convicted. It has proven he drugged 492 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: and sexually assaulted a child, a thirteen year old, and 493 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: even today, in recent years, some members of Hollywood society 494 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: have sought to allow him to return to the US 495 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: with no legal consequences, and in the past, his supporters 496 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: in France, where he lives as a freeman, have fought 497 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: against extradition if it meant that he would serve time 498 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: for again and an assault on a thirteen year old child. 499 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: Can I just leave now? I don't want to talk 500 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: about this anymore. Well I don't either, but we have. 501 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: I mean this, this is what this show should be about. 502 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: You know, you're absolutely right. It's just tough. This, this 503 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: is tough, okay. Um. Another person, Brian Peck who in 504 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: two thousand four sort of sixteen months in prison for 505 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: engaging in sex acts with a child star who was 506 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: working for Nickelodeon. Um. This gentleman, Brian Pett continue to 507 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: work for Disney when he was out of prison. So 508 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: he did this terrible thing. He went to prison for 509 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: a little while, and then he got to continue to 510 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: work with kids at Disney. Right, he went on. He 511 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: was in two X Men films, he was in three 512 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: Living Dead films. Uh, and he was into Disney television 513 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: shows Believe and this was this was afterward. One that 514 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: I think is another profoundly disturbing example is a director 515 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: named Victor Salva. You're familiar, perhaps Matt Noel, with the 516 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: films Jeepers, Creepers and the Film's Powder. Salva made both 517 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: of those. After he's convicted in Night eight of sexual 518 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: crimes against several children that he had cast in an 519 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: earlier movie. Law enforcement agencies did find commercial child pornography 520 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: in his home. He pled guilty to every count. He 521 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: did actually go to court. He was sentenced to three 522 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: years in prison, of which he served fifteen months. A 523 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: little over one year he completed parole in NTO Jeepers. 524 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 1: Creepers became a franchise. Victor Salva made his most recent 525 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: film as of twenty fourteen, again A free and Powerful Man. 526 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: And we won't even get into Woody Allen. Another aspect 527 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: of the system of silence, the sexual abuse being so 528 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: prevalent in Hollywood, did not apply solely to one type 529 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,239 Speaker 1: of person, not to a single age group. It was 530 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: and is pervasive for for decades. Allegations of sexual violence 531 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: against children have just been dogging the industry, with multiple 532 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: former child actors offering their own experience, their first hand 533 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: knowledge of these crimes occurring both in the past and 534 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: some of it actively. For example, Elijah would maintains that 535 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: he only managed to escape this sort of abuse due 536 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: to the vigilance of his parents. UH. One thing that 537 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: is apparently common here is that often what happens when 538 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: child actors enter the industry, or what did happen, was 539 00:33:54,640 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: that managers, producers, directors would isolate the kids from the 540 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 1: supervision of their parents. You know, the kid would be 541 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: emancipated right and work as an adult. Even that initial 542 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 1: Spacey story where Anthony rap accused him of coming on 543 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,479 Speaker 1: to him inappropriately. He was a kid at the time 544 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 1: and was at a party for this Broadway production that 545 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,399 Speaker 1: they were both working on, and to hear him tell, 546 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: it was too young to really kind of hobnob with 547 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 1: with somebody with folks couldn't drink, So he was just 548 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: sitting and watching TV. And as the night progressed, he 549 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 1: kind of stayed there and then Spacey just sort of 550 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: came in there and took advantage of him, or tried 551 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 1: to anyway. So you know, uh, it requires utter vigilance, apparents. 552 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: And so Elijah Wood counted himself very fortunate. But he 553 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: said that he and his family and everyone else were 554 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: fully aware of the presence of this sort of abuse 555 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 1: on and off film sets. In an interview with The 556 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: Sunday Times, would indicated that he believes this is a systematic, 557 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,320 Speaker 1: systemic and much larger than a handful of offenders operating alone. 558 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: We have a quotation here where he says, clearly something 559 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,280 Speaker 1: major was going on in Hollywood. It was all organized. 560 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,879 Speaker 1: There are lots of vipers in the industry, people who 561 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: only have their own interest in mind. There is a 562 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 1: darkness in the underbelly. What burns me about these situations 563 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 1: is that the victims cannot speak as loudly as the 564 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 1: people in power. That's the tragedy of attempting to reveal 565 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 1: what is happening to innocent people. They can't be squashed, 566 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: but their lives have been irreparably damaged. And Corey Feldman 567 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 1: backed up What's claims in twenties sixteen notably. Yeah. He 568 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 1: went on to say, um, quote, I'm not able to 569 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: name names. People are frustrated, people are angry, They want 570 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,439 Speaker 1: to know how this is happening. But unfortunately, California, conveniently enough, 571 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 1: has a statute of limitations that prevents that from happening, 572 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: because if I were to go and mention anybody's name, 573 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,280 Speaker 1: I would be the one that would be in legal problems, 574 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 1: and I'm the one that would be sued. Yeah, and 575 00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:02,439 Speaker 1: that is terribly poignant thing that he said there, And 576 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 1: we're going to continue exploring this extremely dark subject afterward 577 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 1: from our sponsor. In November of seventeen, the former child 578 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 1: actor current musician Corey Feldman spoke with Vanity Fair about 579 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: his experience with child abuse in the film industry and 580 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 1: while he was refusing to name all all of the 581 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: offenders that he says he's aware of. He is planning 582 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 1: and hoping to create a film that will, from his perspective, Finally, 583 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:42,240 Speaker 1: and UH inarguably irreversibly exposed the active pedophilia rings operating 584 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:46,759 Speaker 1: Hollywood and beyond. He does believe the abuse he and 585 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 1: his colleagues encounter his children caused reparable damage, and he 586 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,240 Speaker 1: attributes the death of his friend and fellow actor Corey 587 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 1: Hame in part to this abuse. And he has a 588 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: quote where he says, it's all connected to a bigger, 589 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,479 Speaker 1: darker power. I don't know how high up the chain 590 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: that power goes, but I know that it probably is 591 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 1: outside of the film industry too. It's probably in government, 592 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 1: it's probably throughout the world in different dark aspects. And 593 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 1: we know that this um, this concept of sexual abuse 594 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 1: rings operating had in the past been relegated to the 595 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:34,240 Speaker 1: domain of just wild alarmist conspiracy theory claims. But we 596 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,759 Speaker 1: also have seen in recent years with what's happening in 597 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 1: the UK with Jimmy Saville, UH, with the international pornography 598 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 1: trades or rings trading pornography online. These things or something 599 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:55,399 Speaker 1: like them what Feldman is talking about do indisputably exists. 600 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 1: And Feldman did name at least three men. Yes. Some 601 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 1: of those games were a child actor manager, Marty Weiss's 602 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 1: former actor John Grissom, and the owner of a place 603 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:12,400 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles called Alfie's Soda Pop Club. Alfie Hoffman 604 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 1: was this man's name. And Um, I did not know 605 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 1: what this was, and I looked it up and it 606 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 1: was basically a disco for child actors that operated for 607 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:28,840 Speaker 1: a handful of years between nineteen six and nine. And 608 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,719 Speaker 1: the whole idea was that you know, it's it's uh. 609 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:37,319 Speaker 1: Clientele would be UM sixteen or younger, and they were 610 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,279 Speaker 1: able to get, you know, an alcohol free environment where 611 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: they could have a dance floor and free all night, 612 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 1: free soda pop all night. None of this sounds creepy 613 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:54,439 Speaker 1: at all, No, it really really does. Yeah, And it 614 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,279 Speaker 1: was apparently a toxic environment, especially as it got later 615 00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 1: in the night. There were a lot of things that 616 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,319 Speaker 1: occurred after parties that current even after that stuff. These 617 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:08,840 Speaker 1: are allegations that are made in several places by multiple people. Um. 618 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,560 Speaker 1: The Alfie Hoffman name came up when Feldman Corey Feldman 619 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,839 Speaker 1: went on The Doctor Oz Show, and I guess their 620 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,880 Speaker 1: staff went through all of the different things that Corey 621 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 1: Feldman has written over the years and they tried to 622 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,719 Speaker 1: piece together who it might possibly be this person that 623 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 1: he keeps mentioning and um, Doctor Oz showed a picture 624 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: of Alfie Hoffman to Corey Feldman without showing anybody else 625 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,120 Speaker 1: and asked, is this the man? And Cory Wan Feldman 626 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 1: says yes, and then they go into a lot of 627 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,720 Speaker 1: these allegations that we're talking about. In his many Fair interview, 628 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,799 Speaker 1: he said he could name six people right off the bat. So, 629 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,840 Speaker 1: according to him and other survivors of this, this is 630 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:53,240 Speaker 1: a systemic thing which makes it organized crime. Not only 631 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 1: that there's a great article great and I guess it's 632 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,479 Speaker 1: probably the wrong word, but an article advice called him 633 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 1: himself elf and he and it is about Corey Haim's 634 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:09,240 Speaker 1: experiences UH in this environment, specifically in the Soda Pop club. 635 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,840 Speaker 1: And as you know, Corey Haim was Corey Feldman's co 636 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,799 Speaker 1: star best friend and UH may or may not know 637 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 1: also that he became penniless and addicted to drugs and 638 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 1: pretty much died alone. I believe in a hotel in 639 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 1: l A with you know, no, no work, no career. Um. 640 00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,080 Speaker 1: And that systemic thing you're talking about. It really summed 641 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,480 Speaker 1: up here in this quote from Haim from this video 642 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,600 Speaker 1: that he he was part of an eighty nine called Me, 643 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,120 Speaker 1: Myself and I UM, And it goes like this. Growing 644 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,280 Speaker 1: up on movie sets has its ups and its downs. 645 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,320 Speaker 1: I mean, sure, it's great. You get lots of attention, 646 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 1: only three hours a day of school, there's makeup and wardrobe, 647 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,560 Speaker 1: movie premieres, limousines. It all sounds like fun. But when 648 00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:00,760 Speaker 1: you're twelve or thirteen years old, you're very, very impressionable, 649 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,440 Speaker 1: and I know it's easy to get off track. Like me, 650 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,560 Speaker 1: some of you don't have moms and dads to bring 651 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 1: you up. I mean, let's face it, it's tough being 652 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 1: a kid. So be smart, don't get messed up, stay 653 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:16,640 Speaker 1: in school, be anybody you want to be, which overall 654 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:24,440 Speaker 1: is very powerful and positive message from a survivor. Except 655 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 1: he wasn't a survivor. I mean, he is ultimately this 656 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,000 Speaker 1: life to the way I see it, and tell me, 657 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,840 Speaker 1: you argue, tell me I'm wrong, ultimately ate him away, 658 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,320 Speaker 1: you know. And it's Let me talk about Elijah Wood 659 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 1: and having positive reinforcement and somebody looking after him and 660 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,680 Speaker 1: having his back through all this stuff. He seems like 661 00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,960 Speaker 1: a really well adjusted human person when you see him today. 662 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's what I was saying, um earlier that 663 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,759 Speaker 1: Feldman also attributed this fall. I guess what I mean 664 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 1: by inspiring is on a on a personal level for 665 00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,760 Speaker 1: him's character. It is so profound that he was able 666 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,960 Speaker 1: to make this a message to other people. That's very true. 667 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:11,920 Speaker 1: This is This is not the only video on this subject. 668 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,360 Speaker 1: There's a documentary named Amy Berg who addressed this ongoing 669 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,920 Speaker 1: scandal in her film and Open Secret, which includes statements 670 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 1: by victims and later attempts to expose criminals within the 671 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 1: film industry. According to supporters, factions of Hollywood conspired to 672 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:32,200 Speaker 1: stop this film from spreading, just like um, Just like somebody, 673 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:36,120 Speaker 1: an anonymous buyer bought that Discovery documentary they came out 674 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:41,240 Speaker 1: a few years ago about sexual abuse within the halls 675 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:46,400 Speaker 1: of government. Right, Yeah, that was called Conspiracy of Silence. 676 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,920 Speaker 1: And you can find at least most of the film 677 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 1: online if you search for it, yeah, on YouTube. We 678 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,600 Speaker 1: haven't even gotten into how this has affected politics. I mean, 679 00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:00,000 Speaker 1: we're starting to see a lot more resignations and politics 680 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,239 Speaker 1: because of these kinds of accusations and it actually affecting 681 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:08,840 Speaker 1: people's careers. So you know, the pieces might move slow, 682 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,600 Speaker 1: but but hopefully they move in the right direction. Hopefully 683 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,000 Speaker 1: the old adage is true. Hopefully the wheels of justice 684 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:20,120 Speaker 1: grind slow yet exceedingly fine. And you know, I'm glad 685 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:25,160 Speaker 1: you mentioned politics here because in one of the things 686 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,800 Speaker 1: that people re examined when so much of this abuse 687 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:33,640 Speaker 1: came to light concerned Anita Hill and current Supreme Court 688 00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:38,160 Speaker 1: Judge Clarence Thomas. And Anita Hill, going back to the 689 00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,640 Speaker 1: earlier quote Matt brought us at the top of the show, 690 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:47,960 Speaker 1: was interrogated, right, was called a scorned woman, was um 691 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:53,720 Speaker 1: roundly undermined in the course of the investigation. And now 692 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:58,200 Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas is on the Supreme Court of the United States. 693 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,839 Speaker 1: He's one of the nine ring raiths that runs this democracy. 694 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,480 Speaker 1: And although you know, this situation was deemed consensual. Look 695 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,080 Speaker 1: what happened with Monica Lewinsky and Bill Clinton, and Bill 696 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,480 Speaker 1: Clinton was ultimately i mean, he you know, had some 697 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,840 Speaker 1: egg on his face, but he ultimately was walking around 698 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:19,160 Speaker 1: today given speeches, doing fundraisers and heading up the Clinton Foundation, 699 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,560 Speaker 1: and Lewinsky was just totally demonized and dragged through the 700 00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,760 Speaker 1: mud and made to look like some sort of awful 701 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:29,239 Speaker 1: homewrecking you know, demon some the five person you have 702 00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,719 Speaker 1: to ask yourself, is is in that kind of power dynamic? 703 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:37,400 Speaker 1: If that kind of power dynamic exists in an interaction, 704 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:43,399 Speaker 1: is it possible for a real consent to occur? It's 705 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:49,680 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's an inequality of power and inescapable 706 00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:54,080 Speaker 1: one and critics of the film An Open Secret believe 707 00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,520 Speaker 1: that misses the mark on the importance of the abuse 708 00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:00,440 Speaker 1: by presenting things in a disingenuous or misleading man or. 709 00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:05,560 Speaker 1: And while that might be up to the interpretation of 710 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,640 Speaker 1: the person watching the film, none of the critics of 711 00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:14,640 Speaker 1: the film are saying that this doesn't exist. No no 712 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,439 Speaker 1: one in their right mind is saying that abuse does 713 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,319 Speaker 1: not exist in Hollywood, And I would hope no one 714 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:24,319 Speaker 1: in the right mind is arguing in twenty eighteen that 715 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:29,960 Speaker 1: abuse doesn't exist in politics. It clearly does. And as 716 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,319 Speaker 1: we draw this episode to a close, we do want 717 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:37,800 Speaker 1: to note that at this time, many of these accusations, 718 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,919 Speaker 1: these allegations, these criminal acts, have not been examined by 719 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,719 Speaker 1: the court system, so just keep that in mind when 720 00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,000 Speaker 1: you're thinking about all this stuff. They haven't seen their 721 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:51,279 Speaker 1: day in court yet, and we have some questions we 722 00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:56,200 Speaker 1: have We hope that we have presented this again profoundly 723 00:45:56,239 --> 00:46:00,680 Speaker 1: disturbing topic in the light that it deserves, which is 724 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,200 Speaker 1: not a series of isolated cases, is not a series 725 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:08,200 Speaker 1: of one person being monstrous. It is a series of 726 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:12,880 Speaker 1: multiple events occurring and multiple other people working to cover 727 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,879 Speaker 1: those events up, to keep them away from the public eye, 728 00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,360 Speaker 1: to use private eye, to keep them away from the 729 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:23,399 Speaker 1: public eye, to literally conspire against victims. He was staying 730 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,120 Speaker 1: at the top of the show. This is the very 731 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,919 Speaker 1: definition of a conspiracy. We we we know that that's 732 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,480 Speaker 1: what this is. There is no theory involved. Absolutely agreed, 733 00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,920 Speaker 1: and so we want to in today's episode on some questions. 734 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:41,960 Speaker 1: Do you think more revelations will follow? Yes, absolutely, and 735 00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,480 Speaker 1: they're going to continue to follow. And I think the 736 00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,719 Speaker 1: child sexual abuse scandal is the next thing that is 737 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:53,520 Speaker 1: going to topple probably at least one entire section of 738 00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:57,440 Speaker 1: the film industry. I really do think that's coming. And 739 00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,960 Speaker 1: another question that you have asked us, folks, is what 740 00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,960 Speaker 1: enabled these revelations to come into the public sphere. Now 741 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,960 Speaker 1: the records conclusively do show, after all, the multiple victims 742 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,279 Speaker 1: continually came forward in almost every case, only to be 743 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:17,880 Speaker 1: blacklisted and ignored. And again we are we've concentrated on 744 00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,640 Speaker 1: Hollywood here because that's where a lot of the stuff 745 00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:25,840 Speaker 1: is coming from. But it would be um dishonest to 746 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,840 Speaker 1: say that it is limited in any way to Hollywood. 747 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,359 Speaker 1: I mean, we haven't even mentioned the me too hashtag, 748 00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:37,640 Speaker 1: which became not only like a standard the people were 749 00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,799 Speaker 1: able to bear for this cause, not only in the 750 00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,600 Speaker 1: film industry, but people in general. You know, you just 751 00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,760 Speaker 1: saw it. It just blew up on the internet. Me too, 752 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,839 Speaker 1: and there's this real sense of this we don't want 753 00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,200 Speaker 1: to think about the fact that this happens to people. 754 00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,279 Speaker 1: I was talking with my mother. I had dinner with 755 00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:58,240 Speaker 1: my mother, who was an opera singer, and she experienced 756 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,480 Speaker 1: this kind of stuff all the time, and it was 757 00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,280 Speaker 1: just accepted. It was like, you just keep your mouth shut. 758 00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,560 Speaker 1: You do this, whether you're a secretary, whether you're a star. 759 00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:12,440 Speaker 1: You're going to have powerful figures, typically powerful male figures 760 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,640 Speaker 1: that are going to take advantage of that, especially back 761 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,480 Speaker 1: in the sixties and seventies. As we've seen this progress 762 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,319 Speaker 1: so thank god we do have these digital ways of 763 00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:25,200 Speaker 1: spreading this like wildfire and finally shutting it down, or 764 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,480 Speaker 1: at least starting the process of shutting it down. And 765 00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,680 Speaker 1: it's what Ben said at the top, Having that message 766 00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:34,640 Speaker 1: of I also experienced this and then having it amplified 767 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,560 Speaker 1: at that level, I think it just created a current 768 00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,799 Speaker 1: that were allowed for it to happen. I think that's 769 00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,439 Speaker 1: what happened, right, So what what you know going back 770 00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:51,360 Speaker 1: to that, what enabled these revelations to finally be treated? 771 00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:55,080 Speaker 1: I would say seriously by the mainstream media. You will 772 00:48:55,120 --> 00:49:00,640 Speaker 1: hear people saying that Weinstein somehow wronged and vile system, 773 00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,640 Speaker 1: and then that's why he finally had to pay for 774 00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:09,320 Speaker 1: his crimes. But I'm concerned that that diminishes the strength 775 00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,120 Speaker 1: of the people who spoke up, you know what I mean. 776 00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,120 Speaker 1: He just got caught in a way that you could 777 00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,000 Speaker 1: no longer cover up. There comes a point where you 778 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,560 Speaker 1: reach critical mass where it's like, okay, we you weigh it. 779 00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,400 Speaker 1: Are we gonna keep covering this up? Are we just 780 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,919 Speaker 1: gonna like throw this guy under the bus because he's 781 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,240 Speaker 1: a cancer and we can no longer support this behavior 782 00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,880 Speaker 1: because it is not in our best interest. As business people. 783 00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,400 Speaker 1: And that's sad and gross, but that's what happens on 784 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,560 Speaker 1: the business side, you know, that's what But in a 785 00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:42,880 Speaker 1: cancer analogy, wouldn't you say, Harvey Weinstein is almost like 786 00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:47,800 Speaker 1: getting a biopsy, just a tiny part of it taken out. Whatever, 787 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:52,359 Speaker 1: whatever the reasoning is, having it happen is better for 788 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:56,319 Speaker 1: the body quote unquote the human condition, you know, like 789 00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,279 Speaker 1: that's a good I don't know, but I do feel 790 00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,600 Speaker 1: like it. These things only happen when it when it 791 00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,800 Speaker 1: costs somebody too much money, and that's when they finally 792 00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,480 Speaker 1: will will you know, kick someone to the curb. Someone 793 00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,200 Speaker 1: is powerful. It's a Harvey weinsteam. And one of the 794 00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,680 Speaker 1: other things that has to be said here is we 795 00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,319 Speaker 1: kind of mentioned already. It's not just in Hollyo. It's 796 00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,840 Speaker 1: not any of these other places. It's it's in homes 797 00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,319 Speaker 1: across this country, across the world. It's in you know, 798 00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:26,080 Speaker 1: at the bars and churches. This kind of thing is everywhere. 799 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,919 Speaker 1: And just having a brief conversation with my wife last 800 00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:33,480 Speaker 1: night about this topic, she mentioned to me specific examples 801 00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:37,680 Speaker 1: that she knew of in our circle, like our friendship 802 00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,920 Speaker 1: circle of women who have been abused and it is 803 00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:45,560 Speaker 1: so prevalent. So lastly, and most importantly, if you or 804 00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:50,160 Speaker 1: someone you know is a victim of abuse, whether sexual, physical, 805 00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,520 Speaker 1: or otherwise, remember that there are other people who can 806 00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,480 Speaker 1: help you. 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