WEBVTT - Ep. 120: World Record Elk 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:14.240 Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance. Today, 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:16.880 I'm joined by my good buddy and co host Dirck Durham. 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:20.480 Oh hey, there, how you doing so? I think it 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:23.079 was just we just turned into twenty twenty five and 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:25.560 it didn't take very long for the Elk cunning world 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:28.080 to be kind of shook up by a post from 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:31.400 our good buddy Paul Brooks. And I consider him a 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:33.040 good friend. You know, we used to build them turkey 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:34.760 calls back in the day and work with them. When 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:36.960 we talk with them, we're cordial with them. But I 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:40.080 do with the direction we're going, I do want to 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:42.720 make he does, you know, run a call company or 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:45.720 help work for a call company? So I just want 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:47.159 to put all out there. I want this to be 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:49.919 a normal conversation with all the facts light out there. 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:52.080 But he made a post. I believe it was on 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:55.320 February second. I woke up and I couldn't turn on 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:58.760 I shouldn't. People are gonna judge me, But I flicked 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:02.200 the Facebook a post about a big giant bowl. I 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:05.040 flip over to Instagram just because I'm look, you know, 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:07.920 oh there's another bolt flipped the TikTok. Somehow it's there. 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:10.280 I you know, you couldn't go anywhere on February second 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:15.559 without seeing January's post or yeah, excuse me, January second, 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:18.440 you couldn't. You couldn't go anywhere without seeing a post 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:20.959 or text messages like if it wasn't for social like 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:22.520 I didn't have to do anything because I was getting, 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:24.440 you know, hundreds of texts. You know what do I know? 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:27.120 Where was it killed? Was it Washington? You know, the 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:28.880 list goes on and on. So we want to talk 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:32.520 a little bit about this world record potential, I would 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:35.960 say potential world record out that was recently killed in 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:40.080 the state of Washington by Casey Brooks Bo's dad. And 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:42.360 you know, I've known Casey since I've ever started this. 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:46.399 I can remember being a little, a little dummy working 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:48.680 out of the corner of Corey Miller's booth down there 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:50.560 at Portland, and a guy came up and I'd had 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:54.080 my magazine article, you know, my my three seventy Roosevelt, 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:58.000 and it started asking me, and we had a little 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:00.920 conversation and went back and and Corey's that you know 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:02.280 who that was? I said, don't have a clue who 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:04.280 that was, you know, And ended up being Casey Brooks 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:06.760 and we were talking about about big Elk and wear, 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:09.800 and so we've known him for a long time and 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:12.760 I just wanted to wanted to you know, we we 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:15.000 battle this a little bit behind the scenes, like I 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:17.360 want to be one hundred percent transparent in this podcast. 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:20.160 Me and Dirt have the means, we have the funds 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:23.639 within our company. We we buy tags at times, right 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:26.600 either landowner tags, outfit or tags. And so I just 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:29.320 want to open this wide open and just talk about 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:33.440 all the all the pieces of it. But so Bow 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:36.760 makes a post on January second about the bowl, does 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:39.160 a write up about his dad and some of his accomplishments, 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:44.480 and then like anything that's big or or you know, 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:48.560 you know, kind of jaw dropping. You know, I'll kind 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:50.840 of ows you it wasn't very long, what a day 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:55.400 or two. And then the the uh, the opposite, you know, 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:59.440 the the naysayers, the people that had something to throw, 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:00.959 you know, try to try to put chinks in the 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:04.200 armor and break the story apart. 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:06.040 I almost feel like if you shoot a three hundred 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:08.679 inch bull, people start just throwing rocks like oh, it 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:11.440 must be nice to hunt private land or whatever I mean. 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:15.040 And then this thing is you know, potentially a three 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:18.320 or a four hundred and eighty inch bull in that score, 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:21.760 so you know there's lots of lots of crap being thrown. 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:24.359 Oh yeah, I mean, not to this. I don't want 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:26.320 to make this story about myself. But that same three 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:30.000 seventy bowl, I killed it and then had a trip 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:32.880 immediately to the Bob Marshall. So I killed it around home, 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:34.720 got the tax nermous and then like two days later 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:37.200 took off. Well, my good buddy John Davis was my 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:41.600 guide there on that hunt and in Montana, Yeah, in Montana, 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:45.880 and he started to ask me, you know, we're good friends, 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:47.800 but he was just my guide. He was working for 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:50.080 an outfitter and that's how he booked the hunt, and 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:52.400 he had killed a couple three fifty tight bowls in 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:55.080 that same area. And He's like, so of the stories 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:57.280 happened yet, And I'm like, oh no, it's just been 0:03:57.320 --> 0:03:59.840 squeaky clean, Like no, you know, just I killed a 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:04.760 big good Yeah. I get home and I killed it 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:07.160 at night. I killed it using my work key at 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:08.880 the time, I worked for the DNR. I killed it 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:11.400 on this area. I drove my truck into a walk 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:13.440 in and by the time I was done, I was 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:16.680 fighting with the entire internet over like where it was killed, 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:19.159 how it was killed, you know, and it was just like, 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:22.000 oh my gosh, it's crazy. So like anything, you know, 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:23.520 at that time, I think it was a number two 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:27.600 bowl in the state. So there's just like controversy and 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:32.000 and I think people by nature are jealous. But yeah, 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:34.120 we just wanted to kind of to jump into that 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:37.640 and and talk about kind of all sides and then 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:41.800 in my opinion, our opinion kind of like make it 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:44.640 go full circle and and maybe say what we think, 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:48.080 you know, why there was so much you know, either 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:50.680 jealousy or frustration you know, with the bowl, And we'll 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:53.240 kind of save that for the end. So one thing 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:57.400 that that like maybe a question that that encompasses this 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:01.560 whole whole ordeal. And and somebody started to post, you know, 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:03.240 when the naysayers start coming out, they're like, so you 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:06.200 to tell me if you had the same means you 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:09.000 wouldn't be doing the same thing. And I'm curious how 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:11.720 you would answer that, would you if you had And 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:14.239 we're gonna get into the financial stuff and not later, 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:16.640 but like if you had the ability and it meant 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:19.240 the same to your checkbook and you had the ability, 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:22.480 would you go hunt this bowl? Oh? 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:26.719 Absolutely, I would go hunt that bowl. Now, there's a 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:30.240 lot of speculation on where and how this bowl was killed, 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:35.080 and may or may not agree with that, and it 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:37.320 may not really serve the way I want to hunt 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:40.880 and elk, but I would definitely try to take advantage 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:42.920 of the way he got that tag if I had 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:47.040 those means, absolutely, because I love elk hunting right and 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:50.000 I feel like anybody who who loves elk hunting with 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:52.000 the amount of passion that you and I both have, 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:56.400 if you have the means to like hunt elk all 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:59.760 the time, really really really really big elk why, I 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:01.960 don't know. I don't think there's a lot of people 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:04.560 who would say, Nope, nope, I I'd rather go try 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:07.280 to shoot five points every season instead of being able 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:09.960 to go hunt some crazy places. You know, they'd rather, 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:16.080 you know, fight off, fight off the Orange Army, per se. 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:17.880 You know, there's just public Land has got a lot 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:19.880 of folks on a hunting and it's hard, it's a grind. 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:23.679 And then if if you have that amount of means, 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:28.080 you know, financially to go hunt let's say the most 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:34.280 premium Indian reservations or these these governor tags, raffle tags whatever. 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:37.640 You know, you're not competing with a whole lot of 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:39.880 other hunters. You know, there's you know, you're gonna be 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:43.279 on public land a lot of times, but you're you're 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:47.039 not fighting the crowds. So and then you just have 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:51.279 the opportunity to see big, giant, mature animals. And and 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:54.039 I think I think all of us would would be 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:57.200 okay with or would want to go do that if 0:06:57.200 --> 0:06:59.600 you have the means. I mean, that's that's my opinion. 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:02.919 Yeah, and I've got a little different answer. And and 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:06.960 we've talked about this, you know before, I'm like, I 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:08.760 want to say no, And we're going to get into 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:10.520 some more of the facts, which it may make more 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:12.400 sense when you come and look at this question. You know, 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:14.920 I don't let me rephrase that. I don't know if 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:17.400 they're facts. I have seen pictures and videos of where 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:19.800 this bowl was at prior, but I don't know, you 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:22.600 know that they're factual or you know, around the whole situation. 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:28.840 But I don't know if I would. It doesn't like 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:32.880 for me, I get excited about killing a four point buck, 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:34.440 you know, way up on the mountain as far from 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:36.960 the stinking side by side as I can. For some reason, 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:39.120 you know, we're five mile hiking. I don't know why 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:41.360 right now. And that's where I love. That's why I 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:44.800 love hunting, like it can be something different for everybody. 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:47.480 You know, it doesn't have to be defined as one thing. 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:49.520 It doesn't. You know, what gets one guy excited doesn't 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:51.280 get the other guy excided, which is great because I 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:54.040 think it keeps us all spread out hunting different ways. 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:58.600 But like for me, hunting, I want to I want 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:00.480 and I'm not saying there wasn't a lenge. I guess 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:01.880 this is where there's gonna be a lot of because 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:05.640 I don't know the whole story. I want, like I 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:07.600 want like a physical challenge, and I don't know why 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:10.640 it's turned into that. For me, I want to feel 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:14.160 like I beat you know, the animal in its own 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:21.680 like at its best, I guess, right, And so for me, yeah, like, well, 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:25.640 I will say wintering wintering animals like a buck that's 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:27.480 lived his whole life in the cemetery. You know, it 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:30.280 seems like cemeteries attracted you know, golf courses, but like 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:33.800 walking out on like whole nine and shooting the biggest 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:38.120 buck that's ever lived, just like well versus if I 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:39.800 could take that buck and like where you know the 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:45.120 famous Popeye, the forty inch buck that David Long, you know, 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:47.960 like because you would disappear, nobody can ever find him 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:49.880 in his high country, but like winter range, they would 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:53.240 find him. And I'm like, it's almost like killing two 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:54.959 different animals, right, Like the one up in the high 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:57.600 country would be different. But when he's forced to come 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:01.080 down in the sage brush, like man, I just at 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:02.720 that point love to look at him. I'm probably getting 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:03.760 ahead of myself here, but. 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:07.280 Well, no, and I agree with that. Like I'm not 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:10.240 saying I would want to go hunt these things, these 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:13.840 these elk or deer in their most vulnerable places, Like 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:15.840 if I would be able to get that tag, I'd 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:17.640 love to be able to search the high country for them, 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:20.440 or you know where they're spending their septembers in October 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:23.560 is now if they migrate out. I mean, that's that's 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:28.200 a completely different conversation and thought process. But I will say, though, 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:30.720 I back to your point of like getting excited to 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:34.960 shoot a four point in the middle of nowhere public land, 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:38.000 I agree one hundred percent with you. I do love that. 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:40.760 I kind of made the comment about five points. I 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:43.480 will say like some years I've had, like, for instance, 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:48.200 like a landowner tag in New Mexico and I had, 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:50.439 you know, elk hunt in Idaho and whatever, so on 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:54.160 and so forth. But the most excited on those years 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:57.040 I've ever you know, of the hunts, I've been excited 0:09:57.080 --> 0:10:00.679 to go on or back to my just my, my, my 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:04.120 Idaho public land whatever middle of nowhere, probably one of 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:07.520 the most wolf infested units in Idaho. I kind of 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:10.520 look forward to that the most. I feel like it's 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:15.560 like you're you're really like success there gives you the 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:18.040 best feel goods, you know. It's like, man, I worked hard, 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:21.840 and I really figured this out. And it's funny. My 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:24.600 wife like the first time I had a New Mexico 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:27.320 outfit or tag to where we could I wasn't outfit 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:29.640 land inner tag. My wife's like, well, if you should 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:31.120 a really big one, you can't get it mounted and 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:33.600 put in the house. That's cheating. My wife said this, 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:36.120 that's cheating. But if you kill one up, you know 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:39.000 in Idaho, you know, then then you can get that 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:41.800 one head mounted. And I'm like hey, now hold on, you. 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:45.240 Know, yeah, your your wife's now the judge of what 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:46.520 what counts as a trophy and not. 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:49.760 Yeah, yeah, so you know, she always keeps me grounded. 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:52.760 But but I will say that that was that was 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:55.160 a kind of a funny, funny thought process. But like 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:58.160 I was always like, oh, I almost I almost feel 0:10:58.160 --> 0:10:58.920 like you're right there. 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:03.720 So yeah, no, it's it's weird. And I walk in 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:05.000 my house, you know, I get to look at some 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:07.520 of the mounts, and there there's the Mount Emily bowl 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:09.320 that Whep me and you killed together, you know, with 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:11.120 the rightfle and it's a great bull. It's the one 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:14.760 over the fireplace. I'm like, that's big. But I turned 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:16.640 to my right and it's the bowl I killed Mountain 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:19.800 View in Washington. That's similar size, a little bit smaller. 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:22.680 But I for some reason in my head, that one's 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:24.680 it holds a little bit. It doesn't have the asterisk 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:27.520 next to it because I drew it through the special permits. Right, 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:30.520 it was still a similar season, limited number of hunters. 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:33.160 I still had the same advantage. But for some reason, 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:34.679 I'm like, well, at least I didn't have to like 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:37.600 pay for the opportunity, Like I literally drew a twelve 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:40.520 dollars and fifty cent you know tag, just out of 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:43.080 the random draw. So I don't know why. In my 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:47.280 head it's just something like, yeah, get paid for that one. 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:49.240 You know, you got this one the regular way. But 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:51.760 in the reality, the elk had the same chance. I 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:54.000 had the same chance, Like it was no different of 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:57.120 an advantage. Besides, I probably wouldn't have got the Emily tag. 0:11:57.240 --> 0:11:58.800 Well I know I wouldn't have got the Emily take. 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:01.360 I don't have any points, you know, to get it 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:03.880 any other way. So it just, yeah, there's a little 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:07.480 bit of like these special tags. You know, we've we've 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:09.600 got to hunt New Mexico a little bit on landowner tags. 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:12.360 We've got to hunt, you know, Colorado. Back in the day, 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:15.400 I would buy a few deer landowner tags and it's 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:17.040 still awesome and I love to do it. And I 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:19.040 would be a liar if I said I I didn't 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:21.520 love those, and I would still do it because I 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:23.600 love to just be out there and hunt. But I 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:26.360 haven't got what I would consider like these super special tags. Right, 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:28.800 I just get a ticket to the show. I'm still 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:31.040 hunting along fifty other guys in Mount Emily, I'm still 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:33.960 hunting along, you know, the other tagholders during a set 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:36.960 season that the fish and wildlife sets because there's the 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:39.600 best chance of escape, you know, Like we still got 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:41.480 some of these odds against us, and I haven't got 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:45.880 a true true like premium. I guess my elk tag 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:48.920 this year is pretty premium, but just just like late 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:52.160 season and I do, I walk in and I don't 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:55.400 know why. I maybe with age it'll finally dissipate. But 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:57.120 I look in there like, oh, that was a public 0:12:57.160 --> 0:12:59.760 land bull over the countertag. Oh that's a that was 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:03.079 a landowner tag or an outfitter tag, like eh not 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:04.960 not you know, you just knock it down a rung 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:05.560 on the ladder. 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:08.960 Right right, I feel like there's like, like you said, 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:11.520 we get a like an outfitter tag or a lander tag, 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:13.679 You're still just got a ticket to the show, right 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:16.840 You're still you're still navigating public land with a lot 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:18.760 of other folks. Like on my ol hunt this year 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:22.520 in Oregon, Dude, we see it. We saw so many people. 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:26.760 They were people across the canyon right where we spotted 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:28.960 the elk the night before. We're right where they're supposed 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:31.160 to walk there's people walking through there and sitting down 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:34.000 and stinking it up and blowing out any opportunity there. 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:36.640 There's people over at another vantage point looking for the 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:39.720 same bull we're looking for, where there's people walking up 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:43.040 on us, standing next to us one our viewpoint that 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:45.800 standing there talking and looking in like, hey, you gotta 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:47.839 be quiet. We're trying trying to get an elk here 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:51.280 and they're talking out loud, and and you know, looking 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:53.680 for spikes. You know they can be out there. You know, 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:55.800 these are all the spike hunters. And and we did 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:58.400 see another big bull tag hunter over there in that 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:01.560 other vantage point. But meant there was people everywhere, so 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:05.320 you know, it's not like we got some you know, Okay, 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:08.320 come through the the pearly gates here and now you're 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:10.720 in el Kevin and there's nobody else. It's it's still 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:14.160 that So it's not that level of of I mean, 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:17.080 it's a great opportunity that you know, not everybody can get, 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:19.840 I guess, but it's a. 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:23.400 But shoot it. I mean, if you but let's say 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:25.320 you did have a state wide tag, you could have 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:27.160 killed the Big Bowl. We were watching the night before 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:29.240 while we were all scouting to try to find it. 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:31.040 Right, right, we could have just pulled the trigger right 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:32.840 then if we'd have the next level tag. 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:35.720 Yeah. Yeah, that's just that difference of like, all right, 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:38.280 these elk aren't dumb. Pressure shows up the Big Bowl 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:40.520 we were watching like you knowwhere to be seen the 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:43.640 next day because he had forty people around him the 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:47.320 night before, you know, not really forty. I'm exaggerating, but yeah, 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:48.920 it's just that's where it gets back to these like 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:51.560 super premium tags, Like there's a huge difference on having 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:55.400 a great tag that's but you're hunting along everybody else, 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:57.440 but like being able to hunt the dates in between 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:00.960 seasons or just any time you want. It's it's I 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:01.960 think a huge difference. 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:05.440 Yeah, well what do you what do you think set 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:09.920 everybody off with this post? Anyway? Can can you can 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:11.840 you elaborate on what the post said? 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:15.760 Yeah, I will. I was gonna get there a little 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:17.960 bit at the end. Okay, I wanted I really wanted to. 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:19.920 I don't want to put that. I really wanted the 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:22.360 touch on the legal side because it's important to me 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:24.320 and we've been advocates for this. I've mentioned on this 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:28.440 podcast many times, like I ultimately don't care at the 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:30.560 end of the day, as long as it's legal, Like yeah, 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:36.840 I can have my opinion, like yay, nay, Like I wouldn't. 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:39.800 Do it legal it's a company me, but you know 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:40.400 it's legal. 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:43.600 Yeah, And I'm I'm so tired of the division within 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:46.360 the hunting you know world. I shouldn't say industry is 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:49.240 a stupid word because there's not very many of us. 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:51.320 To me, it matters like the hunting world, people that 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:54.280 participate in hunting. There's so much division, you know, on 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:57.440 this season versus that season. I want more time, you guys, 0:15:57.560 --> 0:16:00.520 you know your weapon gets more time, you know, meal 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:05.560 deer over elk elk over meal deer, weapon choices, weapon restrictions, 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:11.720 like if it's legal it We always complain about fish 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:14.120 and wildlife organizations, but I guess at some point we're 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:15.720 gonna have to trust them a little bit, Like if 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:20.280 the fishing game have decided that that is a legal 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:22.560 method of take and the seasons are based on it, 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:25.280 Like at some point, I'm not the judge anymore. Right, 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:27.760 I can say I don't like it, or I think 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:30.160 we should fight for some change, but at some point, 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:32.920 like my only measuring stick is the judge in the 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:35.120 jury is like is it legal or is it not? 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:37.640 And I should be done with it right, you know, 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:41.960 aside from so one thing we go back to, like 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:46.360 all right, the raffle tickets were bought for for an 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:50.720 area and and so he had a legal tag, he 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:53.320 had a legal right to hunt this elk this giant 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:56.520 bowl where it was at. So I'm assumed, you know, 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:59.440 I've got to assume then no reason not to believe 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:03.600 that it wasn't you know, killed over you know, more 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:06.520 than ten ten gallons of feet if feed was even used. 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:09.560 I have no reason to believe that, you know, up 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:13.200 all of this caliber, like you know, there's no trespassing involved, 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:16.879 permission to hunt on the place that lived, season dates, 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:20.639 all of the things are, all the boxes have been checked, 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:24.600 so it's legal. So why why would we, you know, 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:26.879 why would I have any issues with this? And we're 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:28.159 going to kind of wrap all that up, you know, 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:30.119 you kind of to ask me to explain why the 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:33.359 issue was with this. But as far as I'm concerned, 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:36.800 it's legal, right, Like, who were we to say different? 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:43.119 Yeah, we weren't there, and I just assume I assume 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:44.480 you know, they did it, right, you. 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:56.080 Know, yeah, some of the speculation and some of the 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:59.840 pictures that the others have brought up there are I've 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:02.200 seen two videos and I've seen three or four pictures 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:05.240 of this bowl. You know. One it was behind like 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:07.679 a white vinyl horse fence, kind of comes up to 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:11.080 the fence and turns away. The second video I've seen 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:14.080 has the bull eating out of a little I would 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:15.760 call it a little pile of alfalpha. But you know 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:18.960 those like danglely like I call them party lights, you 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:20.760 know where you can kind of dangle these lights from 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:23.399 from post to post, you know, the big big in 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:25.960 the Yeah, they were you know, there was a picture 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:28.399 video of the bowl, obviously a trailcam picture of a 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:30.159 bull eating some alfalfa and then it walks out of 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:31.960 the frame. And then a couple of pictures of the bowl. 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:34.480 I believe one was the prior year and one was 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:37.040 this year of the bull eating some alfalfa and some 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:40.320 deeper snow. I don't know dates on those photos, none 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:41.840 of that, but those are what we've seen, and so 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:45.600 that that is what kind of stirs up some of 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:48.919 the unrest and and the way the story was, you know, 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:52.000 it goes against I won't say against but goes it 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:54.160 maybe challenges as a story, I'll put it that way, 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:56.840 a little bit more on on you know, how how 0:18:56.840 --> 0:19:02.000 everything went, but I don't. And this is where I 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:03.280 got to make sure, you know, I don't want to 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:06.320 be hypocritical, because I've killed a meal deer in each 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:09.120 washing over a pile of apples. And that was pre 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:12.480 like measured bait rules. So like I'm not joking. When 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:14.760 we would pull up, everybody's seeing like the big bins 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:19.160 of apples traveling you know, potatoes in like big giant bins, like. 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:21.240 Literally two tons of apples. 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:24.199 Yeah, I was literally hunting over the like the the 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:26.640 deer stood in the pile of apples to eat the apples, 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:28.200 sort of a pile of apples. 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:30.280 But how much how many apples were there on the 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:33.760 bait though when I hunted, Yeah, it was like the 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:37.159