1 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance. Today, 2 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: I'm joined by my good buddy and co host Dirck Durham. 3 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: Oh hey, there, how you doing so? I think it 4 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: was just we just turned into twenty twenty five and 5 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: it didn't take very long for the Elk cunning world 6 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: to be kind of shook up by a post from 7 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: our good buddy Paul Brooks. And I consider him a 8 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: good friend. You know, we used to build them turkey 9 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: calls back in the day and work with them. When 10 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: we talk with them, we're cordial with them. But I 11 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: do with the direction we're going, I do want to 12 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: make he does, you know, run a call company or 13 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: help work for a call company? So I just want 14 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: to put all out there. I want this to be 15 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:49,919 Speaker 1: a normal conversation with all the facts light out there. 16 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: But he made a post. I believe it was on 17 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: February second. I woke up and I couldn't turn on 18 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: I shouldn't. People are gonna judge me, But I flicked 19 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: the Facebook a post about a big giant bowl. I 20 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: flip over to Instagram just because I'm look, you know, 21 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: oh there's another bolt flipped the TikTok. Somehow it's there. 22 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: I you know, you couldn't go anywhere on February second 23 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:15,559 Speaker 1: without seeing January's post or yeah, excuse me, January second, 24 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: you couldn't. You couldn't go anywhere without seeing a post 25 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: or text messages like if it wasn't for social like 26 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: I didn't have to do anything because I was getting, 27 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: you know, hundreds of texts. You know what do I know? 28 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: Where was it killed? Was it Washington? You know, the 29 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: list goes on and on. So we want to talk 30 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: a little bit about this world record potential, I would 31 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: say potential world record out that was recently killed in 32 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: the state of Washington by Casey Brooks Bo's dad. And 33 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: you know, I've known Casey since I've ever started this. 34 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: I can remember being a little, a little dummy working 35 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: out of the corner of Corey Miller's booth down there 36 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: at Portland, and a guy came up and I'd had 37 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: my magazine article, you know, my my three seventy Roosevelt, 38 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: and it started asking me, and we had a little 39 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: conversation and went back and and Corey's that you know 40 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: who that was? I said, don't have a clue who 41 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: that was, you know, And ended up being Casey Brooks 42 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: and we were talking about about big Elk and wear, 43 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: and so we've known him for a long time and 44 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: I just wanted to wanted to you know, we we 45 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: battle this a little bit behind the scenes, like I 46 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: want to be one hundred percent transparent in this podcast. 47 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: Me and Dirt have the means, we have the funds 48 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 1: within our company. We we buy tags at times, right 49 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: either landowner tags, outfit or tags. And so I just 50 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: want to open this wide open and just talk about 51 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: all the all the pieces of it. But so Bow 52 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: makes a post on January second about the bowl, does 53 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: a write up about his dad and some of his accomplishments, 54 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: and then like anything that's big or or you know, 55 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: you know, kind of jaw dropping. You know, I'll kind 56 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: of ows you it wasn't very long, what a day 57 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: or two. And then the the uh, the opposite, you know, 58 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: the the naysayers, the people that had something to throw, 59 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 1: you know, try to try to put chinks in the 60 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: armor and break the story apart. 61 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 2: I almost feel like if you shoot a three hundred 62 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,679 Speaker 2: inch bull, people start just throwing rocks like oh, it 63 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 2: must be nice to hunt private land or whatever I mean. 64 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 2: And then this thing is you know, potentially a three 65 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 2: or a four hundred and eighty inch bull in that score, 66 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 2: so you know there's lots of lots of crap being thrown. 67 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean, not to this. I don't want 68 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: to make this story about myself. But that same three 69 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: seventy bowl, I killed it and then had a trip 70 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: immediately to the Bob Marshall. So I killed it around home, 71 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: got the tax nermous and then like two days later 72 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: took off. Well, my good buddy John Davis was my 73 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: guide there on that hunt and in Montana, Yeah, in Montana, 74 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: and he started to ask me, you know, we're good friends, 75 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: but he was just my guide. He was working for 76 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: an outfitter and that's how he booked the hunt, and 77 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: he had killed a couple three fifty tight bowls in 78 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: that same area. And He's like, so of the stories 79 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: happened yet, And I'm like, oh no, it's just been 80 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: squeaky clean, Like no, you know, just I killed a 81 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: big good Yeah. I get home and I killed it 82 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: at night. I killed it using my work key at 83 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: the time, I worked for the DNR. I killed it 84 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: on this area. I drove my truck into a walk 85 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: in and by the time I was done, I was 86 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: fighting with the entire internet over like where it was killed, 87 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: how it was killed, you know, and it was just like, 88 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, it's crazy. So like anything, you know, 89 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: at that time, I think it was a number two 90 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 1: bowl in the state. So there's just like controversy and 91 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: and I think people by nature are jealous. But yeah, 92 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: we just wanted to kind of to jump into that 93 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: and and talk about kind of all sides and then 94 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: in my opinion, our opinion kind of like make it 95 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: go full circle and and maybe say what we think, 96 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: you know, why there was so much you know, either 97 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: jealousy or frustration you know, with the bowl, And we'll 98 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: kind of save that for the end. So one thing 99 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: that that like maybe a question that that encompasses this 100 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: whole whole ordeal. And and somebody started to post, you know, 101 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: when the naysayers start coming out, they're like, so you 102 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: to tell me if you had the same means you 103 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't be doing the same thing. And I'm curious how 104 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 1: you would answer that, would you if you had And 105 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,239 Speaker 1: we're gonna get into the financial stuff and not later, 106 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: but like if you had the ability and it meant 107 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: the same to your checkbook and you had the ability, 108 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: would you go hunt this bowl? Oh? 109 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I would go hunt that bowl. Now, there's a 110 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 2: lot of speculation on where and how this bowl was killed, 111 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 2: and may or may not agree with that, and it 112 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 2: may not really serve the way I want to hunt 113 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 2: and elk, but I would definitely try to take advantage 114 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 2: of the way he got that tag if I had 115 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 2: those means, absolutely, because I love elk hunting right and 116 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 2: I feel like anybody who who loves elk hunting with 117 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 2: the amount of passion that you and I both have, 118 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 2: if you have the means to like hunt elk all 119 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 2: the time, really really really really big elk why, I 120 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 2: don't know. I don't think there's a lot of people 121 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 2: who would say, Nope, nope, I I'd rather go try 122 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 2: to shoot five points every season instead of being able 123 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 2: to go hunt some crazy places. You know, they'd rather, 124 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 2: you know, fight off, fight off the Orange Army, per se. 125 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 2: You know, there's just public Land has got a lot 126 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 2: of folks on a hunting and it's hard, it's a grind. 127 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,679 Speaker 2: And then if if you have that amount of means, 128 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 2: you know, financially to go hunt let's say the most 129 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 2: premium Indian reservations or these these governor tags, raffle tags whatever. 130 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 2: You know, you're not competing with a whole lot of 131 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 2: other hunters. You know, there's you know, you're gonna be 132 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 2: on public land a lot of times, but you're you're 133 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 2: not fighting the crowds. So and then you just have 134 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 2: the opportunity to see big, giant, mature animals. And and 135 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 2: I think I think all of us would would be 136 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 2: okay with or would want to go do that if 137 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 2: you have the means. I mean, that's that's my opinion. 138 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I've got a little different answer. And and 139 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: we've talked about this, you know before, I'm like, I 140 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: want to say no, And we're going to get into 141 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: some more of the facts, which it may make more 142 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: sense when you come and look at this question. You know, 143 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: I don't let me rephrase that. I don't know if 144 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: they're facts. I have seen pictures and videos of where 145 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: this bowl was at prior, but I don't know, you 146 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: know that they're factual or you know, around the whole situation. 147 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: But I don't know if I would. It doesn't like 148 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: for me, I get excited about killing a four point buck, 149 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: you know, way up on the mountain as far from 150 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: the stinking side by side as I can. For some reason, 151 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: you know, we're five mile hiking. I don't know why 152 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: right now. And that's where I love. That's why I 153 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: love hunting, like it can be something different for everybody. 154 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't have to be defined as one thing. 155 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: It doesn't. You know, what gets one guy excited doesn't 156 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: get the other guy excided, which is great because I 157 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: think it keeps us all spread out hunting different ways. 158 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: But like for me, hunting, I want to I want 159 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: and I'm not saying there wasn't a lenge. I guess 160 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: this is where there's gonna be a lot of because 161 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: I don't know the whole story. I want, like I 162 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: want like a physical challenge, and I don't know why 163 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: it's turned into that. For me, I want to feel 164 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: like I beat you know, the animal in its own 165 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: like at its best, I guess, right, And so for me, yeah, like, well, 166 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: I will say wintering wintering animals like a buck that's 167 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: lived his whole life in the cemetery. You know, it 168 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: seems like cemeteries attracted you know, golf courses, but like 169 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: walking out on like whole nine and shooting the biggest 170 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: buck that's ever lived, just like well versus if I 171 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: could take that buck and like where you know the 172 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: famous Popeye, the forty inch buck that David Long, you know, 173 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: like because you would disappear, nobody can ever find him 174 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: in his high country, but like winter range, they would 175 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: find him. And I'm like, it's almost like killing two 176 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:54,959 Speaker 1: different animals, right, Like the one up in the high 177 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: country would be different. But when he's forced to come 178 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: down in the sage brush, like man, I just at 179 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: that point love to look at him. I'm probably getting 180 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: ahead of myself here, but. 181 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 2: Well, no, and I agree with that. Like I'm not 182 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 2: saying I would want to go hunt these things, these 183 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 2: these elk or deer in their most vulnerable places, Like 184 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 2: if I would be able to get that tag, I'd 185 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 2: love to be able to search the high country for them, 186 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 2: or you know where they're spending their septembers in October 187 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 2: is now if they migrate out. I mean, that's that's 188 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 2: a completely different conversation and thought process. But I will say, though, 189 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 2: I back to your point of like getting excited to 190 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 2: shoot a four point in the middle of nowhere public land, 191 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 2: I agree one hundred percent with you. I do love that. 192 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 2: I kind of made the comment about five points. I 193 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 2: will say like some years I've had, like, for instance, 194 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 2: like a landowner tag in New Mexico and I had, 195 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 2: you know, elk hunt in Idaho and whatever, so on 196 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 2: and so forth. But the most excited on those years 197 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 2: I've ever you know, of the hunts, I've been excited 198 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 2: to go on or back to my just my, my, my 199 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 2: Idaho public land whatever middle of nowhere, probably one of 200 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 2: the most wolf infested units in Idaho. I kind of 201 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 2: look forward to that the most. I feel like it's 202 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 2: like you're you're really like success there gives you the 203 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 2: best feel goods, you know. It's like, man, I worked hard, 204 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 2: and I really figured this out. And it's funny. My 205 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 2: wife like the first time I had a New Mexico 206 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 2: outfit or tag to where we could I wasn't outfit 207 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 2: land inner tag. My wife's like, well, if you should 208 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 2: a really big one, you can't get it mounted and 209 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 2: put in the house. That's cheating. My wife said this, 210 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 2: that's cheating. But if you kill one up, you know 211 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 2: in Idaho, you know, then then you can get that 212 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 2: one head mounted. And I'm like hey, now hold on, you. 213 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: Know, yeah, your your wife's now the judge of what 214 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: what counts as a trophy and not. 215 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so you know, she always keeps me grounded. 216 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 2: But but I will say that that was that was 217 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 2: a kind of a funny, funny thought process. But like 218 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 2: I was always like, oh, I almost I almost feel 219 00:10:58,160 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 2: like you're right there. 220 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: So yeah, no, it's it's weird. And I walk in 221 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: my house, you know, I get to look at some 222 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: of the mounts, and there there's the Mount Emily bowl 223 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: that Whep me and you killed together, you know, with 224 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: the rightfle and it's a great bull. It's the one 225 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: over the fireplace. I'm like, that's big. But I turned 226 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: to my right and it's the bowl I killed Mountain 227 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: View in Washington. That's similar size, a little bit smaller. 228 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: But I for some reason in my head, that one's 229 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: it holds a little bit. It doesn't have the asterisk 230 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: next to it because I drew it through the special permits. Right, 231 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: it was still a similar season, limited number of hunters. 232 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: I still had the same advantage. But for some reason, 233 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, at least I didn't have to like 234 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: pay for the opportunity, Like I literally drew a twelve 235 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: dollars and fifty cent you know tag, just out of 236 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: the random draw. So I don't know why. In my 237 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: head it's just something like, yeah, get paid for that one. 238 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: You know, you got this one the regular way. But 239 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: in the reality, the elk had the same chance. I 240 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: had the same chance, Like it was no different of 241 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: an advantage. Besides, I probably wouldn't have got the Emily tag. 242 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: Well I know I wouldn't have got the Emily take. 243 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: I don't have any points, you know, to get it 244 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: any other way. So it just, yeah, there's a little 245 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: bit of like these special tags. You know, we've we've 246 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: got to hunt New Mexico a little bit on landowner tags. 247 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: We've got to hunt, you know, Colorado. Back in the day, 248 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: I would buy a few deer landowner tags and it's 249 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: still awesome and I love to do it. And I 250 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: would be a liar if I said I I didn't 251 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: love those, and I would still do it because I 252 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: love to just be out there and hunt. But I 253 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: haven't got what I would consider like these super special tags. Right, 254 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: I just get a ticket to the show. I'm still 255 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: hunting along fifty other guys in Mount Emily, I'm still 256 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 1: hunting along, you know, the other tagholders during a set 257 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: season that the fish and wildlife sets because there's the 258 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: best chance of escape, you know, Like we still got 259 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: some of these odds against us, and I haven't got 260 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: a true true like premium. I guess my elk tag 261 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: this year is pretty premium, but just just like late 262 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: season and I do, I walk in and I don't 263 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: know why. I maybe with age it'll finally dissipate. But 264 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: I look in there like, oh, that was a public 265 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: land bull over the countertag. Oh that's a that was 266 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:03,079 Speaker 1: a landowner tag or an outfitter tag, like eh not 267 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: not you know, you just knock it down a rung 268 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: on the ladder. 269 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 2: Right right, I feel like there's like, like you said, 270 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 2: we get a like an outfitter tag or a lander tag, 271 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 2: You're still just got a ticket to the show, right 272 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 2: You're still you're still navigating public land with a lot 273 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 2: of other folks. Like on my ol hunt this year 274 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 2: in Oregon, Dude, we see it. We saw so many people. 275 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 2: They were people across the canyon right where we spotted 276 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 2: the elk the night before. We're right where they're supposed 277 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 2: to walk there's people walking through there and sitting down 278 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 2: and stinking it up and blowing out any opportunity there. 279 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 2: There's people over at another vantage point looking for the 280 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 2: same bull we're looking for, where there's people walking up 281 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 2: on us, standing next to us one our viewpoint that 282 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 2: standing there talking and looking in like, hey, you gotta 283 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:47,839 Speaker 2: be quiet. We're trying trying to get an elk here 284 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 2: and they're talking out loud, and and you know, looking 285 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 2: for spikes. You know they can be out there. You know, 286 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 2: these are all the spike hunters. And and we did 287 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 2: see another big bull tag hunter over there in that 288 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 2: other vantage point. But meant there was people everywhere, so 289 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 2: you know, it's not like we got some you know, Okay, 290 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 2: come through the the pearly gates here and now you're 291 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 2: in el Kevin and there's nobody else. It's it's still 292 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 2: that So it's not that level of of I mean, 293 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 2: it's a great opportunity that you know, not everybody can get, 294 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 2: I guess, but it's a. 295 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: But shoot it. I mean, if you but let's say 296 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: you did have a state wide tag, you could have 297 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: killed the Big Bowl. We were watching the night before 298 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: while we were all scouting to try to find it. 299 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 2: Right, right, we could have just pulled the trigger right 300 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 2: then if we'd have the next level tag. 301 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's just that difference of like, all right, 302 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: these elk aren't dumb. Pressure shows up the Big Bowl 303 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: we were watching like you knowwhere to be seen the 304 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: next day because he had forty people around him the 305 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: night before, you know, not really forty. I'm exaggerating, but yeah, 306 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: it's just that's where it gets back to these like 307 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: super premium tags, Like there's a huge difference on having 308 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: a great tag that's but you're hunting along everybody else, 309 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: but like being able to hunt the dates in between 310 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: seasons or just any time you want. It's it's I 311 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: think a huge difference. 312 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, well what do you what do you think set 313 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 2: everybody off with this post? Anyway? Can can you can 314 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 2: you elaborate on what the post said? 315 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I will. I was gonna get there a little 316 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: bit at the end. Okay, I wanted I really wanted to. 317 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: I don't want to put that. I really wanted the 318 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: touch on the legal side because it's important to me 319 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: and we've been advocates for this. I've mentioned on this 320 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: podcast many times, like I ultimately don't care at the 321 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: end of the day, as long as it's legal, Like yeah, 322 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: I can have my opinion, like yay, nay, Like I wouldn't. 323 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 2: Do it legal it's a company me, but you know 324 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 2: it's legal. 325 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm I'm so tired of the division within 326 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: the hunting you know world. I shouldn't say industry is 327 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: a stupid word because there's not very many of us. 328 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: To me, it matters like the hunting world, people that 329 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: participate in hunting. There's so much division, you know, on 330 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: this season versus that season. I want more time, you guys, 331 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: you know your weapon gets more time, you know, meal 332 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: deer over elk elk over meal deer, weapon choices, weapon restrictions, 333 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: like if it's legal it We always complain about fish 334 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: and wildlife organizations, but I guess at some point we're 335 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: gonna have to trust them a little bit, Like if 336 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: the fishing game have decided that that is a legal 337 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: method of take and the seasons are based on it, 338 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: Like at some point, I'm not the judge anymore. Right, 339 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: I can say I don't like it, or I think 340 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: we should fight for some change, but at some point, 341 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: like my only measuring stick is the judge in the 342 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: jury is like is it legal or is it not? 343 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: And I should be done with it right, you know, 344 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: aside from so one thing we go back to, like 345 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: all right, the raffle tickets were bought for for an 346 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: area and and so he had a legal tag, he 347 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: had a legal right to hunt this elk this giant 348 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: bowl where it was at. So I'm assumed, you know, 349 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: I've got to assume then no reason not to believe 350 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: that it wasn't you know, killed over you know, more 351 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: than ten ten gallons of feet if feed was even used. 352 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: I have no reason to believe that, you know, up 353 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: all of this caliber, like you know, there's no trespassing involved, 354 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: permission to hunt on the place that lived, season dates, 355 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: all of the things are, all the boxes have been checked, 356 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: so it's legal. So why why would we, you know, 357 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: why would I have any issues with this? And we're 358 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: going to kind of wrap all that up, you know, 359 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: you kind of to ask me to explain why the 360 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: issue was with this. But as far as I'm concerned, 361 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: it's legal, right, Like, who were we to say different? 362 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, we weren't there, and I just assume I assume 363 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 2: you know, they did it, right, you. 364 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: Know, yeah, some of the speculation and some of the 365 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: pictures that the others have brought up there are I've 366 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: seen two videos and I've seen three or four pictures 367 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: of this bowl. You know. One it was behind like 368 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 1: a white vinyl horse fence, kind of comes up to 369 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: the fence and turns away. The second video I've seen 370 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: has the bull eating out of a little I would 371 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: call it a little pile of alfalpha. But you know 372 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: those like danglely like I call them party lights, you 373 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: know where you can kind of dangle these lights from 374 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: from post to post, you know, the big big in 375 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: the Yeah, they were you know, there was a picture 376 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: video of the bowl, obviously a trailcam picture of a 377 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 1: bull eating some alfalfa and then it walks out of 378 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: the frame. And then a couple of pictures of the bowl. 379 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: I believe one was the prior year and one was 380 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: this year of the bull eating some alfalfa and some 381 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: deeper snow. I don't know dates on those photos, none 382 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: of that, but those are what we've seen, and so 383 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: that that is what kind of stirs up some of 384 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 1: the unrest and and the way the story was, you know, 385 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: it goes against I won't say against but goes it 386 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 1: maybe challenges as a story, I'll put it that way, 387 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: a little bit more on on you know, how how 388 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: everything went, but I don't. And this is where I 389 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: got to make sure, you know, I don't want to 390 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: be hypocritical, because I've killed a meal deer in each 391 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 1: washing over a pile of apples. And that was pre 392 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: like measured bait rules. So like I'm not joking. When 393 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: we would pull up, everybody's seeing like the big bins 394 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 1: of apples traveling you know, potatoes in like big giant bins, like. 395 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 2: Literally two tons of apples. 396 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was literally hunting over the like the the 397 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 1: deer stood in the pile of apples to eat the apples, 398 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: sort of a pile of apples. 399 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 2: But how much how many apples were there on the 400 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 2: bait though when I hunted, Yeah, it was like the 401 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 2: major like there was no measurement back then. It was 402 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 2: back then like oh you could put truckload of apples. 403 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what I mean, Like I'm literally hunting 404 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: like the ultimate bait, right apples. It smell on the 405 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: top of apples. Yeah yeah yeah, so uh that you know, 406 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: I've hunted deer over that and I did it once. 407 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: My good buddy are good buddy orn with Tanglewood Guides 408 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: invited me out and I'm like, hey, I did it once, 409 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: Like this is I thing. And it kind of that 410 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: was one where I had to kind of challenge my 411 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 1: own personal you know, what I want to do for 412 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: anty because there was a one eighty eight and a 413 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: one eighty four buck killed that time, you know, and 414 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, and there was a bigger one around 415 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: and you know, invited me back, and I'm like, man, 416 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: I would just assume take my wife back if I 417 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 1: was going to come back. And he allowed my wife 418 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 1: to come back, and we had a different blind and 419 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: you know, and I've black tails around home. You know, 420 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: everybody killing big black tails around home. You know, most 421 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 1: of the time they need to. I shouldn't say everybody. 422 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: Most of the black tails around home are being killed 423 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: over bait, you know, in some sort of a blinder, 424 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 1: a tree stand set up. We hunt. We hunt over 425 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 1: bait at times, not all the time. In Kansas when 426 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: we go right, it's just it's legal. And so like 427 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: that's where I want to get back to, Like I 428 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: don't have a single issue with baiting, you know, we 429 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: We've did it at times in the past. I've did 430 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: it and didn't really appreciate it, and you know the experience, 431 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: and now that we're in Kansas, at times it's our 432 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: best option and where Randy tells us we should be, 433 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 1: we we are. So I don't have an issue with 434 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: that as long as it's legal in that state, and 435 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 1: you know, everything's followed. So in my opinion, like this 436 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: checks the box, like as far as we know all 437 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: the information we know, like this bowl was killed legally, 438 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: you know, I don't have an issue with with any 439 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: of it. So we will circle back and then we'll 440 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 1: get into the rest of the stories. So you had mentioned, 441 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: you know, so what was the issue er if? I 442 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: don't necessarily have an issue, but one of the things 443 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: that bothered me was maybe the way the post, the 444 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: original post. You know, Casey let his son Bo make 445 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: the post and it starts right out. It doesn't say 446 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: anything like new world record. You know, my dad does 447 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 1: it again, it's the King of l Hunting, and it 448 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: goes through to you know, talk about being number three 449 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: and number four already in the books and like his 450 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: lifelong dream to be, you know, hold the world record 451 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,719 Speaker 1: and so I think people and even myself, like it 452 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 1: is what it is. I can read that, and like, 453 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: I don't know how you define the King of l Hunting. 454 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: Is it truly the record book? But I think that's 455 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 1: what really kind of made some people either amplify their 456 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 1: jealousy or like you want to throw stones, whatever you 457 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: want to call it. That's what kind of I think 458 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: triggered some people. Yeah, I think that post would have 459 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: been written up different. It could have been a completely 460 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: different outcome. 461 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 2: In my opinion, I agree one hundred percent. It was 462 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 2: a little inflammatory to a lot of folks, I think. 463 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,479 Speaker 2: But and then then I look at like if I 464 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 2: put myself in Bo's seat, right, and and like in 465 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 2: every every young man you say, well, my dad's the 466 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 2: best dad in the world. My dad can beat up 467 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 2: your dad. I mean, everybody is pretty damn proud of 468 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,360 Speaker 2: their dad. Like they put their dad on a pedestal, 469 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 2: so I can see the excitement, Like I can see 470 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 2: him like he's so excited for his dad and he 471 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 2: thinks so much of his dad, and he puts that 472 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 2: on there, and I can when I look at that perspective, 473 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 2: like I'm not mad at all. But if you look 474 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 2: at it from a different through a different lens. It 475 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 2: can be a little in lamoratory to a lot of 476 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 2: people because a lot of other people like, no, hey, 477 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 2: hold on, I know a guy, my buddy, or my 478 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 2: dad or my whoever, they're a better hunter because they 479 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 2: do it this way or that way. Yeah, so back 480 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 2: to like comparison, right, Like, you know, and I think 481 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 2: like comparison is the thief of joy or whatever the 482 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 2: old dadage says. So so this comparison, like my dad's 483 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 2: the best delk hunter in the world. Everybody like immediately 484 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 2: internally like, well bullshit, I I know twenty seven other 485 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 2: people are better than that, you know, And immediately people 486 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 2: are mad about it. So I think you're right. I 487 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 2: feel like it was. If it would have been a 488 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 2: little a different post, it could have been perceived differently. 489 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 2: But but then again, I get it. I can. 490 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: I totally get it, And there's part of me that 491 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: like respects the post and would have did the same thing, like, 492 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 1: and I struggle with it, like if I get to 493 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,479 Speaker 1: a place where maybe BO doesn't give a crap what 494 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 1: anybody thinks, like this is my post. You can judge 495 00:23:58,200 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: it however you want, Like this is you know what 496 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: I mean, right, if you don't take any of these 497 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: naysayers or these jealous individuals and like their attacks back 498 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: like I made the post the way I wanted to, right, 499 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: right and how I felt so I but I think 500 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: there's also the sense like if you think of it 501 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: that way, it's better. But you also just put it 502 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: on social media with the intent or the purpose to 503 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: share and get that out there. You've got to expect 504 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: like some of that that to come back with the 505 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 1: way it was worded and put together, right. 506 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 2: And another thing if you think about like let's say 507 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 2: you said, hey, my dad just found the cure to cancer, 508 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 2: and he is now the best scientist in the world, 509 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 2: and look at all of his you know, he's got 510 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 2: this prize here, this Nobel prize for this, he's accomplished 511 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 2: all this other stuff. And let's say you know, you've 512 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 2: now he's found the cure for whatever XYZ disease. And 513 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 2: of course it's different context. Of course it's not hunting. 514 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 2: It's something completely different and super way more important. But still, 515 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 2: like I don't somebody probably would be mad like, hey, 516 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 2: wait a minute, I'm a pretty damn good scientists too, 517 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 2: But they probably be less less anger or less hate. 518 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I want to be careful. I don't 519 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: want to feel like I'm being a life coach here. 520 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: But like I've I've went through you know when I I've 521 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 1: never killed anything that's potential, you know, best in the world, 522 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,919 Speaker 1: you know. I guess my one bowls as close as 523 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: it gets your number two in the state. And I think, 524 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: and maybe it's just everybody's got different personalities. But like 525 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 1: I tried to like overly be humble about it. Like 526 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't want to be judged. It was nothing. 527 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 1: You know, there's there's a lot of factors that go 528 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: into it. Yeah, there are people that are you know, 529 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 1: consistently good elk hunters, consistently successful. But I didn't want 530 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 1: to be put on any pedestal. It just happened to be. 531 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: I was in the right place, with the right bowl 532 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: at the right time. Like be careful here, Like my 533 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: skills are above average. I think I think I've proven 534 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: it enough times that probably above average. But like I 535 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: didn't want to be I didn't want that to be anything. 536 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 1: I didn't want to be like defined by one single 537 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: elk or one single accomplishment or most. You know, it's 538 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: like I just wanted the elk. I just wanted the 539 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: elk to be like seeing respected. I did have a 540 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: business need and so it gets very complex, right, And 541 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:22,679 Speaker 1: I guess everybody does stuff for different reasons. But I 542 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 1: just love the elk hunt. At the end of the day, Yeah, 543 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 1: I got a little bit lucky, a little bit fortunate 544 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,360 Speaker 1: to kill a giant bowl. It it you know it, 545 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 1: it took off every you know back then you were 546 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 1: with you know, Extreme Milk magazine, Like you guys wanted 547 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: a copy of it, and you know the story and 548 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: you know, things kind of went on. And maybe I'm 549 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: a hypocrite for saying like I didn't want you know, 550 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: everybody to know about it, I guess, and around about 551 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: way I did. But I just I wanted to be 552 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 1: like real, modest and somewhat humble through that process because it, 553 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, I didn't want hunting to like be 554 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 1: that thing that they gave you some social status. I guess, 555 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: you know, growing up with the grandpa that was all 556 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,640 Speaker 1: about filling the freezer, I just felt a little bit 557 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: dirty or wrong. And now I've got an entire business 558 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: where I post everything I do, so I'm trying to 559 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 1: like walk through this, but I guess at the end 560 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: of the day, maybe I'm a hypocrite. 561 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 2: Well, I don't think you're intending, like, for instance, like 562 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 2: you could say this about shooting a giant bowl, you 563 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 2: could say this about buying a brand new pickup, like 564 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 2: you kind of feel like a little bit humble, Like 565 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 2: I don't. I don't want. I don't want people to 566 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 2: see me driving this pickup and then maybe they can't 567 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 2: afford a cool truck like this and then feel bad 568 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 2: Like I don't. I'm not trying to like make crush 569 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 2: anybody's dreams or feel bad or if I kill something 570 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 2: really nice, and I don't want anyone to feel less 571 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 2: from it, you know. I want if if they see it, 572 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 2: I hope they see it and like you know, and plod, 573 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 2: you know, and like get inspired, but not feel slighted 574 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 2: or feel like, oh man, you're just throwing that in 575 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 2: her face. You know, I think that's part of your humility. 576 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 2: I don't think you're you're looking for that at all. 577 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 2: You're just like trying to share and and with you know, 578 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 2: our brothers and brotherhood of hunting. You know, it's like, hey, 579 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 2: look at this as a beautiful elk and has a 580 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 2: beautiful experience and and maybe there's some inspiration from it, 581 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 2: but yeah, back to your. 582 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's yeah. And that's like you know people 583 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: you know time like, oh, Dirk's the best elk call 584 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 1: in the world, or Jason's a you know, a Matt 585 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 1: you know, I just watched an episode somebody's like, oh, 586 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: Rogan mentions you on on this one. So I go 587 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 1: flip to Joe Rogan and he calls me like a 588 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: master in a world class, and I'm like, ah, you know, 589 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: just like some of those things like get under your skin. 590 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: You're like, I'm I'm good at it, right. I think 591 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: it would be stupid to say I'm a bad out caller, right, 592 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 1: But I just I just don't. I don't. Maybe I 593 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: shouldn't care, but I'm always like, oh, somebody's gonna be like, oh, yeah, 594 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: but I've did this, or you know. It's like I 595 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: just want being somewha humble and flying under the radar 596 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: and not. I don't know. It just seems like a 597 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: safer spot at times, right, right, And maybe I'm a chicken. 598 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 2: I don't know. 599 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: I don't even know what I'm talking about. Right now. 600 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: But it's one of those things where like the way 601 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: I guess getting back to the way the post was made, 602 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: like just yeah, I think putting it out there to 603 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: all of social media in the context it was it's like, 604 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: you know, king of elk hunting, and then went back 605 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: to all like oh now he's number one, four and five, 606 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: you know, or whatever it is. However that's going to 607 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: lay out now. It was just I think it rubbed 608 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: some people the wrong way, like you said, And I 609 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: think if it was worded different or like we're so 610 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: grateful or so thankful to have, you know, so blessed 611 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: to have the opportunity, you know, and it went that way, 612 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: I think would have been maybe a different response to 613 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: to the to the. 614 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 2: There'd still be there'd still be the haters, but I 615 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 2: feel like I feel like they wouldn't have struck a 616 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 2: nerve as many people. 617 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: Maybe, Yeah, And I have no doubt, like I've never 618 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 1: got to hunt with Casey. Regardless of where you're hunting. 619 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: I've always said that too, regardless of where you're hunting, 620 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: you still have to know, like you have to show 621 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: the elk don't know that you've got a special tag 622 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: and you know that, like you're who you are, Like 623 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: the Elk don't just lay down regardless, so you still 624 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: have to know what you're doing. And so I've never 625 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: I don't want to discredit anything that you know, Casey 626 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: or Bo or anybody is accomplished. I'm just walking through, 627 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: you know, the circumstances around this one. So let's jump 628 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: in one thing. And I got this is what I 629 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 1: got some messages and even got like specific questions. Is 630 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: the the uh the wealth involved that you know, I 631 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: would say me and you are probably in that one 632 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: percent of people that get to spend money on elkhunting 633 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: due to our marketing budget, due to the resources we have. 634 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: But the wealth that's put into this hunt by others, 635 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: Like that's the one thing you get that got brought 636 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: up more than anything else is like oh if I 637 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: could do it, or you know another you know, people 638 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 1: throw all kinds of other claims out there. I don't 639 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: even know. I haven't added it up, you know, cost 640 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: of the raffle tags and everything. But like this sort 641 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: of wealth allows for opportunities that can probably be had 642 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 1: by I wouldn't even get in the percent. I would 643 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: just say fifty to one hundred individuals. 644 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and out a world and then out of those 645 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 2: people who has the interest to spend the money and 646 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 2: then go go to work and then know how to 647 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 2: know how to hunt right or have that kind of interest, 648 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 2: Like I could do it, but I don't really I'm 649 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 2: not really interested in hunting. 650 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: Elk yep, yeah, I mean I don't even know. We 651 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: should bring up names. But you know, like Jimmy Johnes, 652 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: great guy, spends a ton of money, but he has 653 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: Ryan Carter with him right everywhere he go, you know, 654 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: so there's like Casey doesn't have that where you know, 655 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: so there's there's I think there's different levels of guys 656 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: that can afford it. So we get back to that wealth. 657 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: But then guys that maybe you know how to do 658 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,239 Speaker 1: it one percent on their own when they have to. 659 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: Whether that's a factor or not, I just know that, 660 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: like even like I I don't have the means. I 661 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: could maybe do it once or twice, you know, do 662 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,479 Speaker 1: some of these governor's tags or raffle tags, and then 663 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be able to retire. But we talked about 664 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: it and it got brought up on phone calls. You know, 665 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 1: we've tried to think about it. I got asked somebody's like, 666 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: do you have any way that you could data mine 667 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: you know, how many percent of like Pop and Young 668 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: or Boone and Crockett bowl in the record books like 669 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 1: the all time were killed on Raffler Governor tags. And 670 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 1: I don't, But it's a good question and we can 671 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: at least have a conversation around it. You were mentioning 672 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: the other day just or don't before the podcast, you 673 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: don't know of anybody outside of like personally around you, 674 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: outside of governor or Raffle tag holders that have killed 675 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: a foreuner inch bowl right on on that ground or 676 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: at home. 677 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 2: I feel like I know like a lot of the 678 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 2: like a lot of in the industry, really good hunters, 679 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 2: you know, Ryan Lampers and such and folks like him, 680 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 2: you know. But and then I know a lot of 681 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 2: unsung hunters of people that don't don't do social they 682 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 2: don't do industry stuff, and really really really good hunters. 683 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 2: They don't have a four hundred inch bowl under the belt, 684 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 2: but they're just you know, working stiff guys. You know, 685 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 2: they're not they don't have a big checkbook. 686 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that Dave Graham that I've had on the podcast, 687 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: you know, probably probably one hundred episodes ago. You know, 688 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: he got the Idaho and the Heydays, and his dad 689 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: had all kinds of access because he was the appliance 690 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: or prayer man, right, and so he was hunting some 691 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: of amazing Idaho stuff. And that guy's got a ton 692 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: of bowls over three eighty that he won't talk about 693 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: three but he never broke I don't believe he's ever 694 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: broke that that magical four hundred inch number, you know. 695 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: And he was He's another one of those guys that, like, 696 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: I know, he knows how to hunt. I've got to 697 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: hunt with him down in New Mexico, you know. But 698 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: just like that, you see a guy that probably had 699 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: more opportunities than the best of the best to Idaho 700 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: had to offer, and couldn't, you know, muster up a 701 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: four hundred. You know, he's seen some but just could 702 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: never kill him. Yeah, it's just it's a tough, tough 703 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: feat and that kind of rolls into you know, And 704 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna I'm gonna tell a little story on 705 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: on the wealth and and how you get access to 706 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: foreigner and twenty inch bowls. So twenty nineteen, the very 707 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: first outfitter tag I ever bought in Oregon. I was 708 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: hunting with Brian Sanders. I don't think he went on 709 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: that one. It was just us. And so we're hunting 710 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 1: and Brian's kind of a funny guy. He's kind of 711 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: always on his phone but not letting me see and 712 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 1: texting back and forth. And I've got a ten day hunt. 713 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 1: I know he's got a state wide take holder that's 714 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: got a governor's tag kind of that he's waiting to 715 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: find the right bull. You know, he's got guys out looking, 716 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 1: and uh so I killed my bull, you know, a 717 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 1: great three forty bowl. We had to go down to private. 718 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 1: All the bulls actually showed up down on Brian's place, 719 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 1: went down one hundred minimal pine tree flat, and I 720 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: killed my three forty bowl. We got it all taken 721 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: care of, and you could see Brian was like really 722 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 1: itchy to go check on some stuff. Next day, he 723 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 1: calls the state state tag holder in, they pay an 724 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: access fee, and they go kill four and twenty inch 725 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 1: bowl the next day. So that's where like this this 726 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: funding and wealth at times, that's an opportunity even if 727 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 1: everybody had that tag, whatever it may be. Like until 728 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: you can keep writing checks up to you know, or 729 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: that that bowls off limits for a guy like me. Yeah, 730 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,959 Speaker 1: you know, and so so that you know there's there's 731 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: raffle tags, there's resources. We were in the TU canon 732 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 1: back in twenty fourteen on Charlie or kell Smith's tag, 733 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 1: you know up there Charlie, like, I didn't realize there 734 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: are the mountains are crawling with people because some of 735 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: these governor tags, whether it's legal or not, it's basically 736 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,360 Speaker 1: legal guiding. There are the mountains are crawling with people 737 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: looking for that finder's fee for foreign and inch bowl 738 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: or some of these governor tags. And it's just like 739 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: I didn't realize, you know, until I started to figure, 740 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: you know, to understand or actually be in the know, 741 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,720 Speaker 1: how how crazy it is and some of the bounties 742 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 1: that are put on on these guys finding bowls. So 743 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: people are out there doing it as a part time 744 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 1: job or you know, running trail cameras everywhere, and we're like, 745 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,799 Speaker 1: what do you oh, we're just scouting for for governor's tag. 746 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my gosh, it's it's crazy, and like 747 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 1: it's I don't know what you call I guess it's 748 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: resources that most people don't have, right, Yeah, you know 749 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 1: me and you were fortunate that a lot of people 750 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 1: know us or know of us or want to help us. 751 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: And I feel like even what we get at times 752 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: is like maybe go to this area, like we don't 753 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: ever get put on. But it's like even that compared 754 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 1: to like, you know, somebody like, hey, I got a 755 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: bowl in this canyon at this time. Not saying that's 756 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 1: how this went at all, but it's just talking about 757 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 1: how wealth can sometimes lead to opportunities that aren't there, 758 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 1: and you know, maybe there's a little bit of jealousy 759 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 1: for people that they can't do it, you know, But 760 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 1: I would say it's available to everybody. You just have 761 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 1: to go out there and work and get the money 762 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 1: to some point. Right, Like, it's not saying it's off limits. 763 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,280 Speaker 1: There's a lot of work and a lot of fortune 764 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 1: and you know a lot of luck involved on getting 765 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: yourself to a place where you can financially afford that. 766 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: So it is available to everybody, but there's some limitations 767 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: to get there. 768 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 2: I would say, right, well, look at Chuck Adams, right 769 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,439 Speaker 2: you read his book, and this book's published years ago. 770 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 2: A couple decades ago, probably, but you know out famous 771 00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 2: outdoor writer, famous bow hunter, you know, legendary bowhunter. But 772 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 2: he you know, full transparency, troll, full transparency in his book. 773 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:06,840 Speaker 2: You know, he's just like, you know, a lot of 774 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 2: people like say, he's wealthy, you know, that's why he 775 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 2: can afford to go hunt sheep and all these all 776 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 2: these different hont polar bears and all this stuff. But 777 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 2: he's like, people don't realize. He's like, I've mortgaged my 778 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 2: house several times, you know, taking out the equity for 779 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 2: these hunts. He's like, I make a pretty normal living 780 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 2: as an outdoor writer, but my priorities is these hunts. 781 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:30,359 Speaker 1: Yea. 782 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 2: And so he's probably not making the best financial decisions. 783 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,400 Speaker 2: If Dave Ramsey heard him, he'd be like, you're a fool. 784 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, but his kids are going to be His kids 785 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 1: are going to be pissed off when they read the 786 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,360 Speaker 1: will and figure out the bank. 787 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 788 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if that's the situation, but yeah, 789 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,840 Speaker 1: but yeah, if you just love the huntnut your passion, 790 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 1: you might be able to put it all together and 791 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: make it happen, right. 792 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 2: Right, But don't I don't know too many people that are 793 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 2: really willing to like mortgage their house to go hunt, 794 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,800 Speaker 2: you know somewhere. I mean, that's that's next level. 795 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I wanted to jump in a little bit 796 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 1: to the advantage that these tags give somebody. And we 797 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: were talking about a little bit earlier, like, yeah, this 798 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,759 Speaker 1: bull that was killed could probably have been killed on 799 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,760 Speaker 1: a normal tag. Yeah, I believe the state of Washington. 800 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: I don't want to say the number of tags because 801 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 1: it could allude to the unit. Not very many tags 802 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 1: are given though, right, very very very few, pretty brushy unit. 803 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:36,240 Speaker 1: You know, wherever this bull rutted. My understand I did 804 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 1: I know this bowl is being hunted on public private 805 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 1: prior to to ending up on the private. It's just 806 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 1: so these tags, it's easy for people to just say 807 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 1: this bull could have been killed with Yeah, that's that 808 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,839 Speaker 1: is a fact. But the likelihood or anybody it's hunted 809 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 1: long enough knows that there's like circumstances that don't make 810 00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,800 Speaker 1: it like a very high probability you'd ever kill that 811 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,759 Speaker 1: buy right, whether it lived on a private ranch or 812 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,160 Speaker 1: it truly did live on public, or maybe it crosses 813 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:06,919 Speaker 1: from two pieces of private and you're trying to hunt 814 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:11,440 Speaker 1: like a little you know, corner these sort of opportunities. 815 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:15,720 Speaker 1: There are advantages that that normal people, you know, without 816 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,600 Speaker 1: a raffle or a governor's tag just don't have. And 817 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 1: there's no denying that. Right. You can start typically well, 818 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 1: at least in Washington state August first, or maybe that's Oregon, 819 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:31,239 Speaker 1: maybe Washington September first, all the way to December thirty first. Yeah, 820 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 1: and with and with governor's tags, you never have to 821 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:35,880 Speaker 1: put your rifle down if that's your meat. You know, 822 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,480 Speaker 1: Casey killed this one with a bow. But if you 823 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 1: want it to, you can even have more of advantage 824 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 1: and never put your rifle down. You can literally, you know, 825 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 1: go out there during archery season and hunt right alongside 826 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,400 Speaker 1: those guys at your rifle if that's that's what you 827 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,440 Speaker 1: want to do. And then it does give, in my opinion, 828 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:58,440 Speaker 1: an advantage at the back end of the season because 829 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 1: you if you have an early winner or a winner 830 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,720 Speaker 1: or these bulls start to migrate out of their summer 831 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 1: range or their transition range and they're down into their 832 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,759 Speaker 1: their winter range. I do feel they become more susceptible 833 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 1: to being comfortable, like the creature comforts of where's my food? 834 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 1: You know, they they literally just went from being able 835 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,320 Speaker 1: to live anywhere in the world down to a small 836 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 1: section of lowlands. And you know, not only this bowl. 837 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,640 Speaker 1: What two years ago, Dirk, we were talking the Washington 838 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,960 Speaker 1: Raffle Tag Bowl, right, the giant that was four sixty 839 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 1: four to seventy once again killed on in the last 840 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,839 Speaker 1: week of December. I believe, you know, had to wait 841 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,640 Speaker 1: for enough snow to pile up for that bowl. And 842 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,440 Speaker 1: I'm I do want to to add an asterisk to 843 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 1: this conversation. This is how I understand the story. So 844 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is exact fat. There was yet hurt. 845 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 1: There was a lot of snow in that picture, and 846 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,239 Speaker 1: I do know about the time it was killed. You know, 847 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:57,799 Speaker 1: it was later in the year that bowl had to 848 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,200 Speaker 1: get down, you know, a little bit lower. So there 849 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 1: is there's there's you know, unlimited season, not unlimited, but 850 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:10,239 Speaker 1: confined season that extends way outside of normal opportunity. And 851 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 1: then a lot of people are able to take advantage 852 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 1: over the potential early winter. You know, you're you're starting 853 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,719 Speaker 1: to hunt all the way through December thirty first. I 854 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,440 Speaker 1: know that bowl this year, I'm I know the Governor's 855 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,680 Speaker 1: Tag Bowl was killed in that last week in Washington 856 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,200 Speaker 1: this year. So there is no denying that some of 857 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,759 Speaker 1: these bulls become more vulnerable or more susceptible to being 858 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,920 Speaker 1: you know, being seen or located late in the year 859 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,279 Speaker 1: when the snow forces them to be in certain areas. 860 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, it's you know, they're down there, you know, 861 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,759 Speaker 2: focusing on just staying alive at this point, you know, 862 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,080 Speaker 2: as far as feeding, you know that they're not maybe 863 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,480 Speaker 2: not being pursued by people or the predators they are 864 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,799 Speaker 2: always looking for, but they're just trying to pack on 865 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,160 Speaker 2: some weight after everything they've lost over the over the rut, you. 866 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 1: Know, yep, yep, yeah. And then at that time of 867 00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 1: the year, there's no nobody out in the woods, right 868 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 1: you're it's you. And then you know you're the only 869 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,040 Speaker 1: tag holder for a large chunk of the state or 870 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,600 Speaker 1: you know, the whole state for some of these tags, 871 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,040 Speaker 1: or half the state in Washington, it's just different. Those 872 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,640 Speaker 1: those all aren't being bothered by anything but predators. At 873 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,719 Speaker 1: that point, like no more human presence, they get comfortable, 874 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,160 Speaker 1: they've got to live in a smaller area, and so 875 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 1: it just kind of yeah, there's an advantage. Do you 876 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,839 Speaker 1: pay for that advantage. Yes, is it right or wrong? 877 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,719 Speaker 1: Or you know, it's like once again, it's legal, and 878 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,120 Speaker 1: we don't set up the season dates. So if the 879 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,480 Speaker 1: season dates for raffles and governor's tags needs to be 880 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,160 Speaker 1: what it is, then that I'm fine with it. There is, 881 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,600 Speaker 1: but there is, like I think we need to talk 882 00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaker 1: to the facts that they are more vulnerable, more susceptible 883 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,439 Speaker 1: at that time of year right now. 884 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,440 Speaker 2: I would I wouldn't think. I would like to question 885 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,520 Speaker 2: a little bit like some of these where these funds 886 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:52,120 Speaker 2: are going, you know, in the spirit of conservation. You know, 887 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,880 Speaker 2: that's how they spun, Like these these funds that folks 888 00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,680 Speaker 2: are paying for these governor tags or raffle tags. You know, 889 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,160 Speaker 2: it's all all goes back to conservation. But I'd really 890 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:04,920 Speaker 2: love to see an in depth audit to some of 891 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,600 Speaker 2: those accounts of where that actually money is spent, where 892 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,359 Speaker 2: the rubber meets the road back into conservation, back onto 893 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 2: where it hits the landscape of wildlife conservation. I'd like 894 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,000 Speaker 2: to see that just to be like, Okay, yeah, we're 895 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,120 Speaker 2: doing the right thing, stale or whole hold on, we 896 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,880 Speaker 2: maybe maybe we shouldn't be doing. 897 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,520 Speaker 1: This, yeah, yeah, or like, you know, I'd love to 898 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,360 Speaker 1: see a you know, similar out of that audit, like 899 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,960 Speaker 1: how you know, for one hundred dollars in like how 900 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,000 Speaker 1: much of it actually ends up on the ground or 901 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,640 Speaker 1: does it all get cut up in red tape? And oh, 902 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,920 Speaker 1: by the time we pay the administration and ninety percent 903 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,680 Speaker 1: of it goes the wages and you know, fish and 904 00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,200 Speaker 1: wildlife stuff, then oh ten percent will actually go back 905 00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,680 Speaker 1: into to opening up some wintering range or planting some stage. 906 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,680 Speaker 1: You know. It's like you know, like the Red Cross 907 00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,400 Speaker 1: kind of always gives there, you know, any any big foundation, 908 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,120 Speaker 1: like oh, seventy three percent will make it back to 909 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,279 Speaker 1: you know, on the ground, or ninety percent will make 910 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,279 Speaker 1: it to the recipient, right, Like are we you know, 911 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,080 Speaker 1: because that gets thrown out, like that's the first the 912 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,160 Speaker 1: fence you see, Like look at how much money they're 913 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:06,080 Speaker 1: putting into conservation. I'm like, yeah, it face value, it 914 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,560 Speaker 1: looks like that, but you know, are we really getting 915 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:12,399 Speaker 1: it to where it needs to get? You know? Yeah, 916 00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,680 Speaker 1: And there's I want to kind of wrap this up, 917 00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,000 Speaker 1: and you know, we could talk about it all all day, 918 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:24,760 Speaker 1: but like I just at times too my own opinion, 919 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:29,160 Speaker 1: Like I just sometimes love to watch animals. Like I've 920 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,440 Speaker 1: said it on this podcast before, I root for the 921 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,480 Speaker 1: animals sometimes, right, And at times there's like, man, part 922 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,360 Speaker 1: of me would love for this bowl to breed every 923 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,759 Speaker 1: cow and you know, and that in that county. Yeah, 924 00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,880 Speaker 1: and as are as genes going to show up and 925 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,719 Speaker 1: and so like I said, I'm not trying to say 926 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,640 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have killed the thing if I had the opportunity, 927 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,600 Speaker 1: But like you know, cemetery bucks just don't get me excited. 928 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,279 Speaker 1: But I love to look at him to my binoculars 929 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,799 Speaker 1: and like, wow, that's a great example of the species, 930 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,920 Speaker 1: right right, Like that's a school to look at and 931 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:57,399 Speaker 1: I would love to see what he does next year. 932 00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,560 Speaker 1: And you know, I've got I've got big blacktails that 933 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,279 Speaker 1: walk through my yards at times, and I don't shoot them, 934 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,280 Speaker 1: and I can't stop my neighbors from shooting them at times. 935 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,040 Speaker 1: But it's like I just I just love to watch 936 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,240 Speaker 1: the deer do their thing in my yard at times, 937 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:14,840 Speaker 1: like maybe I'm a softy, I don't know. Sometimes like 938 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,759 Speaker 1: watching this elk, you know, just do its thing, getting 939 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,880 Speaker 1: down to you know, where he's lived for the past 940 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,440 Speaker 1: you know, you know, five six years and where he's comfortable, like, 941 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:27,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. Once again, it goes back. Maybe I 942 00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,960 Speaker 1: should say it was legal and not get into that 943 00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:31,040 Speaker 1: touchy feely stuff. 944 00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,640 Speaker 2: But right well, I think we all have our like 945 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,000 Speaker 2: how would prefer to kill an elk or you know, 946 00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,680 Speaker 2: our our our dream hunt. I've I've been building points 947 00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,720 Speaker 2: in Arizona for years. You know I'm gonna I'm approaching 948 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:49,160 Speaker 2: two decades in points in Arizona, and I could for 949 00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,719 Speaker 2: sure draw a late season tag somewhere. But to me, 950 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:54,799 Speaker 2: in my in my eye, and people are like, dude, 951 00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,880 Speaker 2: you should just draw that late season tag. Oh it's great. 952 00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,960 Speaker 2: But in my mind, if I'm going to Arizona, that's 953 00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:01,480 Speaker 2: not the hunt I want. I don't want to go 954 00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,040 Speaker 2: there when it's the forest is quiet and it's cold, 955 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,120 Speaker 2: and I'm just glass and bowls and sneaking up and 956 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,960 Speaker 2: all that. I'm going there for the experience. I'm going 957 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,720 Speaker 2: there for the screaming bowls, the rut. You know, I'm 958 00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:17,239 Speaker 2: looking for that particular experience. In fact, you know, here 959 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,920 Speaker 2: in Idaho myself, like there's a there's a lot of 960 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,799 Speaker 2: units that have a lot of elk that but it's 961 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,560 Speaker 2: just not my cup of tea. I don't like that 962 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,279 Speaker 2: kind of hunting. I'm gonna go hunt the kind of 963 00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:30,160 Speaker 2: places it's my kind of pretty and and hunt them 964 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,640 Speaker 2: on the way I like to do it, calling them in, 965 00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,479 Speaker 2: calling them in, right I can. I've I've always said 966 00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,120 Speaker 2: the guys that are good at spot in stock kill 967 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,160 Speaker 2: way more bulls than the guys that are calling them in, 968 00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,400 Speaker 2: and bigger bulls. But that's not the way I like 969 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,920 Speaker 2: to do it, right. So yeah, so I get I guess, 970 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,920 Speaker 2: you know, personally, that's not my cup of tea. How 971 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,080 Speaker 2: i'd want to kill that built that world record bowl. 972 00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:59,040 Speaker 2: But I'm not gonna throw rocks. I mean, it was legal. 973 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:00,840 Speaker 2: It's just my opinion. 974 00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,880 Speaker 1: Yep. No, And that's that's how I'm it was legal. 975 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,680 Speaker 1: We can all have our opinions. Do they matter? No, 976 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:09,439 Speaker 1: I mean, at the end of the day, they're They're 977 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,359 Speaker 1: just opinions. And and like I say, I I think 978 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,040 Speaker 1: we should, you know, stay away from, you know, being 979 00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,600 Speaker 1: devisive as we can. There's just there's are some things 980 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,960 Speaker 1: on this bowl, like I hopefully you know, i'd like 981 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,640 Speaker 1: to congratulate Casey on his success and and you know, 982 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,640 Speaker 1: bo On on his dad's success, and you know, it's 983 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,640 Speaker 1: awesome to see. It's awesome that we get a chance 984 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,680 Speaker 1: to see a bowl of that caliber. Who knows, maybe 985 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,319 Speaker 1: next time one's killed, we won't get to see it 986 00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,880 Speaker 1: with all the you know, all the the the hate 987 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,360 Speaker 1: that you know, I don't know if it's hate, but 988 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,919 Speaker 1: you know, people people throwing shade. I just once again, 989 00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,200 Speaker 1: I'm not a life coach, I'm not a psychologist, but 990 00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,359 Speaker 1: I would just say, next time, Like I think if 991 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,640 Speaker 1: it would have been worded different, well it could have 992 00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,640 Speaker 1: been in a completely different outcome. Maybe not as many 993 00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,520 Speaker 1: people would have been frustrated with the story. And you know, 994 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,960 Speaker 1: calling whether it's your dad or not, the King of 995 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:59,160 Speaker 1: l cunning. It's tough to define that, right because there's 996 00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,960 Speaker 1: no situation the same, no opportunity is the same, and 997 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,120 Speaker 1: I think we can all argue that we definitely don't 998 00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,960 Speaker 1: have the same opportunity that Casey gets, right, you know. 999 00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,120 Speaker 1: And it was kind of funny. There's a there's a 1000 00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,760 Speaker 1: twenty eight page post on one of the local forums, 1001 00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:14,920 Speaker 1: you know, because it was killed here in Washington, so 1002 00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,040 Speaker 1: everybody's talking about it and they're like, well, how do 1003 00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,560 Speaker 1: you how are you the king elk hunting? Like did 1004 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:23,239 Speaker 1: we put an elk with like the same mental capability 1005 00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,840 Speaker 1: inside of a fence a million times? And let everybody 1006 00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:27,640 Speaker 1: who thinks they're the best elk hunter, like, go try 1007 00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,520 Speaker 1: to kill it, and then what's our measuring stick? Like 1008 00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,600 Speaker 1: the way the wind was that day? How fast you 1009 00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,600 Speaker 1: killed it? Like, there's no way because all of our 1010 00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,200 Speaker 1: all of our stories are different, all of our opportunities 1011 00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,279 Speaker 1: are different, right, And I think maybe we'll close with 1012 00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,600 Speaker 1: this like that might be the biggest detriment to social 1013 00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,120 Speaker 1: media and hunting in general, now that everybody can talk. 1014 00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,960 Speaker 1: Like back in the day when Grandpa hunted, right, I think, 1015 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,759 Speaker 1: like you didn't know what the hell somebody killed two 1016 00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,200 Speaker 1: states over. I had no idea that there was a 1017 00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:56,960 Speaker 1: giant bowl killed on the wall or a buck on 1018 00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,920 Speaker 1: the Wallsat's front. You had no idea that something was 1019 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:00,640 Speaker 1: killed in Arizona unless you a magazine. 1020 00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,080 Speaker 2: You didn't even know there was out there. 1021 00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,080 Speaker 1: You literally, yeah, you you just hunted the hunt. And 1022 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,600 Speaker 1: I think that that like find your own why, right, 1023 00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,880 Speaker 1: and just stick to it. Don't be jealous. Like know 1024 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,040 Speaker 1: that whoever posted the picture of a giant bowl that 1025 00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,680 Speaker 1: was their their idea. Maybe they locked into it. Give 1026 00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,920 Speaker 1: them a high five, SA, congrats, and then go on 1027 00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,759 Speaker 1: your way, like don't judge them by your by your book, 1028 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,520 Speaker 1: or don't judge them by what you're after, right, And 1029 00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,480 Speaker 1: I like, I say, I feel like I'm preaching or 1030 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,719 Speaker 1: a psychologist right here, but I feel like it's important 1031 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,000 Speaker 1: for all of us for hunting's future to like we've 1032 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,000 Speaker 1: got to find a way to to like get by 1033 00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,239 Speaker 1: judging what everybody does, like, oh, they use a muzzle order, 1034 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,640 Speaker 1: but it's not traditional, like Matt doesn't count. Or oh 1035 00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,000 Speaker 1: they they're a crossbow hunter and I'm a long bow hunter, 1036 00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,560 Speaker 1: like doesn't get Like, no, just do it because you 1037 00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,200 Speaker 1: love it and because that's what hunting was. If you 1038 00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,760 Speaker 1: didn't have a damn Facebook page or an Instagram page 1039 00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,520 Speaker 1: or you know, maybe if you read a magazine article, 1040 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,560 Speaker 1: you'd see one person killed with a cross bow, like 1041 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,000 Speaker 1: you wouldn't know this happens, like social media good or bad. 1042 00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,000 Speaker 1: It's like you've got to be able to like cope 1043 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,680 Speaker 1: with you cope with your feelings, and just accept it 1044 00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,440 Speaker 1: for what it is. Like those people would be doing 1045 00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,839 Speaker 1: that with or without social media. Maybe maybe not. I 1046 00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,120 Speaker 1: don't know. I feel like I'm just rambling now and 1047 00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:21,520 Speaker 1: I'll getting the point across. 1048 00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,960 Speaker 2: But yeah, well back to your point of king of 1049 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:28,279 Speaker 2: bell hunting. I mean, it's so like in his opportunity 1050 00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,400 Speaker 2: of world, it is in his opportunity of bail to 1051 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,200 Speaker 2: spend that kind of money and hunt those kind of places. Yeah, 1052 00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,719 Speaker 2: you know that maybe, yeah, he is a king that 1053 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,960 Speaker 2: he's gonna take that crown with that, with that measurement. Right, 1054 00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,440 Speaker 2: But I know a guy that nobody knows he's killed 1055 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:49,000 Speaker 2: more three hundred plus inch bulls with a rifle in October, 1056 00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,880 Speaker 2: you know, on rifle season in the most wolf infested 1057 00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,359 Speaker 2: unit in Idaho. He's killed more of those big bulls 1058 00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,840 Speaker 2: anybody I know, more than all the old old timers. 1059 00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,800 Speaker 2: In fact, his dad shot a three eighty bowl and 1060 00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:06,000 Speaker 2: that wolf infested unit here two years ago. I would 1061 00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:07,759 Speaker 2: challenge that hit between him and his dad. 1062 00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:08,359 Speaker 1: I would. 1063 00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,880 Speaker 2: I would almost say he and his dad are the 1064 00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,239 Speaker 2: king of l cunning like they have they have, they 1065 00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,520 Speaker 2: have really completed a feat in that country. And then 1066 00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,480 Speaker 2: to pull a three eighty bull out of there that 1067 00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,440 Speaker 2: nobody shot at a three eighty bowl in that in 1068 00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:29,440 Speaker 2: that area in thirty forty fifty years, I'm like, so Yeah, 1069 00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,160 Speaker 2: it's like there's the situations just so different like to 1070 00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,040 Speaker 2: just say to say that, and I think that's why 1071 00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,160 Speaker 2: people were so incensed or mad about that. 1072 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,960 Speaker 1: So yeah, because you can't define it. And you know, 1073 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,160 Speaker 1: you mentioned your buddy, I know who you're talking about, 1074 00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,200 Speaker 1: but you're like, we've talked about Dave Graham, We've talked 1075 00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,400 Speaker 1: about my our buddy John Davis up there in Libby. 1076 00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,760 Speaker 1: You talk about guys like Ryan Lampers and Brian Barney 1077 00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,120 Speaker 1: like they they they've got the skill and then know 1078 00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,520 Speaker 1: how they've proven it over and over and it's like, well, 1079 00:51:55,560 --> 00:52:00,399 Speaker 1: if you, let's say Ryan Lampers had a bottomless checkbook, man, 1080 00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,440 Speaker 1: I almost would struggle to ever bet against him like 1081 00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,680 Speaker 1: doing the same thing, if not better, Right, Like I 1082 00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:08,640 Speaker 1: I don't I want to, I don't want to get 1083 00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,400 Speaker 1: into this. You know maybe, but it is like you 1084 00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:15,440 Speaker 1: can't define that because it is so unique to everybody. 1085 00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,239 Speaker 1: And and I guess we can kind of close with that. 1086 00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,560 Speaker 2: Do what you love, you hunt the way you love, 1087 00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,319 Speaker 2: do the do do the best you can, and root 1088 00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,359 Speaker 2: for other hunters, but in the end, just just be happy, like, 1089 00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:32,040 Speaker 2: don't throw rocks at each other. I'm a huge like 1090 00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,560 Speaker 2: I'm always saying, like, like, man, we are so divided, 1091 00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:38,000 Speaker 2: and everybody's got something to say, you know, about about anything, 1092 00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,680 Speaker 2: like it don't matter what it is. You know, you 1093 00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:44,920 Speaker 2: see all these crazy posts I somebody uh posted bo 1094 00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,360 Speaker 2: had put like a little video like Casey Brooks and 1095 00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,759 Speaker 2: chot this big bull and kind of starts talking about it, 1096 00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,200 Speaker 2: and then somebody you know remixed it and then put 1097 00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:56,080 Speaker 2: in their two cents on on Instagram. So I kind 1098 00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,200 Speaker 2: of commented a little bit of something about not really 1099 00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,480 Speaker 2: about that bowl, but I addressed one of the other 1100 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,359 Speaker 2: comments he'd made there. Oh man, you know people are 1101 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,120 Speaker 2: people are commenting on that and then telling me I'm 1102 00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,880 Speaker 2: a I'm a jackass and for this and that. I'm like, well, 1103 00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,560 Speaker 2: you know, but what about this? What about that? Then 1104 00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,000 Speaker 2: I feel like me, I should just shut up and 1105 00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,960 Speaker 2: like I shouldn't even comment, right I should, But sometimes 1106 00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:20,640 Speaker 2: you just like I want to put my two cents 1107 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,520 Speaker 2: in there to get people thinking, yeah, but let's not 1108 00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,120 Speaker 2: hate each other. Geez, come on, no name calling, no hate, 1109 00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,799 Speaker 2: let's just all think about it. And but you know, 1110 00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:31,720 Speaker 2: we all take our own path in life. 1111 00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,759 Speaker 1: Yep, yep. No appreciate having you on your Like I say, 1112 00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,400 Speaker 1: it was a topic once again I didn't want to 1113 00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,400 Speaker 1: comment on, so I figured let's just have a podcast 1114 00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:42,280 Speaker 1: talk about it, and I say, we'll end with congrats 1115 00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:46,160 Speaker 1: to Casey and bow On on that success, and uh yeah, 1116 00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:47,840 Speaker 1: just go out and hunt the way you love to 1117 00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,800 Speaker 1: and try to keep your comments to yourself, like it 1118 00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,600 Speaker 1: just it's not a good look, if it's legal, if 1119 00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,560 Speaker 1: it checks out box, and just keep it to yourself 1120 00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:56,000 Speaker 1: and move on. 1121 00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,480 Speaker 2: Yep, absolutely, we'll see you next time. 1122 00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:15,279 Speaker 1: Guys, All right, take care of them and