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Speaker 2: For I've heard so many players say, well, I want

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Speaker 1: Is that? Woo woom? And Dan and tie? Oh.

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Speaker 3: This is your Captain Tye Hilton Brandt alongside Lieutenant Captain

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Speaker 3: Dan Rubenstein.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the high Seas.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back aboard the two's crews here where we talk

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Speaker 3: about college football what it all means in context while

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Speaker 3: we're out here sailing the good old seas. Dan, how

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Speaker 3: are you?

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Speaker 1: Ty?

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Speaker 2: I am currently in the bowels of this college football

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Speaker 2: ice breaker, huddled under.

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Speaker 1: A blanket and slowly slipped.

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Speaker 2: I have I have tea in one hand, and I

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Speaker 2: have cocoa in the other hand, and I'm just hoping

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Speaker 2: that the warmth of all of the firing who's that

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Speaker 2: So I'm doing pretty well. What is your hunker down

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Speaker 3: Seagrum's ginger ale. Oh, so you're gonna get me all

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Speaker 3: jazzed up here tonight. But not a sponsor, I should add,

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Speaker 2: Should we do a show in say, March, before we

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Speaker 2: get into all of our coaching and playoff and whatever

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Speaker 2: Seagrums that remind like just seven, you're talking drunk? What

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Speaker 2: are you talking here? Yeah, I mean some somehow altered legally?

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Speaker 3: Should we do show and just not tell people? That

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Speaker 2: I would do that, Yeah, that would that's the whole

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Speaker 1: Show right there. It'll be like a twenty minute job.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I guess we should get into it after

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Speaker 3: Yeah, everyone says Peterson's one of the good guys in

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Speaker 2: That s very he keeps the program pretty private.

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Speaker 2: Supposedly there was no major pressing health issue up Pete

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Speaker 2: because he's had a long successful coaching career and also

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Speaker 2: So sorry it's over because it is over for a

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Speaker 3: So this this is interesting because most of what I'm

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Speaker 2: Which means it's Washington.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so where are we going for what I mean? Washington?

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about Washington.

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Speaker 2: It's the story is about two hours old something like

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Speaker 2: that as we record this. But Jimmy Lake and whichever

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Speaker 3: You're following sort of a legend in the coaching ranks.

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Speaker 3: wasn't long thereafter that he got his second head coaching

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Speaker 3: job at Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: Count them with me. That's two yep.

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Speaker 3: After that, he went to USC in kind of a

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Speaker 3: bit of a surprise. That was his third the USC thing.

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Speaker 3: The USC thing ended badly on a tarmac coming back

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Speaker 3: from an ASU game.

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Speaker 1: We know the story about that now.

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Speaker 3: And at the time I remember, we set an over

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Speaker 3: under of four and a half four and a half

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Speaker 3: head coaching jobs at any level, at any level in

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Speaker 3: Lane Kiffen's career. The thinking was, he needs to get

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Speaker 3: another head coaching job, and then he needs to get

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Speaker 3: hired again. Well, lo and behold if this happens, and

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Speaker 3: eventually it will, Florida Atlantic is where he's been since

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Speaker 3: twenty seventeen. That's four. The next one hits that over

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Speaker 3: which is mind bending to me that we would have

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Speaker 3: set it back in honestly two thousand and nine, and

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Speaker 3: here we are manifest destiny. I kind of like it

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Speaker 3: can't do any worse than Chad Morris did at Arkansas,

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Speaker 3: can you.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to see him getting to six. It's hard

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Speaker 2: to see him advancing. I don't know how trustworthy he

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Speaker 2: is fair or not at another enormous place after the

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Speaker 2: way things ended at USC and how he left Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: But if he turns Arkansas into a ten and two team,

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Speaker 2: all can be forgiven. If somebody even Bigger wants to

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Speaker 2: hire him.

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 3: This conversation reminds me of a chat I had with

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Speaker 3: some friends arguing that the Fast and Furious movies will

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Speaker 3: get to a tenth movie.

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Speaker 1: And what was your response?

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Speaker 3: I think it'll happen. I'm not sure how. I'm not

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Speaker 3: sure I want to know how. But somehow the stars

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Speaker 3: will align. They'll get there to number ten, and somehow

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Speaker 3: he'll get to number six. He might even get to

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Speaker 3: number seven. I don't know, but sure, is he a

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Speaker 3: step forward after Chad Morris.

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Speaker 2: Probably he's succeeded at I mean, he had a good

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Speaker 2: year at USC. I want to say it was twenty

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Speaker 2: eleven where they won a bunch of games. Sure, it

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Speaker 2: was a Matt Barkley team. So he succeeded as a

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Speaker 2: Power five coach Tennessee. He turned god was it Jonathan Crompton?

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Speaker 1: Who was he?

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Speaker 3: That?

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Speaker 2: He turned into a serviceable, pretty good quarterback. So his

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Speaker 2: skills as a coach probably have a ceiling. He turned

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Speaker 2: FAU into a pretty good team loaded up on transfers.

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Speaker 2: You know, I've seen Billy Napier's name thrown around. He's

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Speaker 2: done a terrific job at Louisiana or Louisiana. Laugh yet

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Speaker 2: whichever you prefer. Obviously we mentioned Norvel Seth Latrelle I've

491
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Speaker 2: seen mentioned he's down here for North Texas. Soliverble friend Sark.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine Sark and Lane Kiffin both angling for

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Speaker 2: the same Arkansas job?

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Speaker 3: Wow?

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Speaker 2: Rich Rod apparently is unemployed after Matt Luke's firing at

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Speaker 2: Ole Miss.

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Speaker 3: Who is who is the most defensive not a bad year?

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Speaker 3: Who is the most defensive coach? That they could go

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Speaker 3: out and get because Chad.

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Speaker 2: Is been defensive coordinator?

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Speaker 1: Defensive minded?

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Speaker 2: Oh, defensive mind you they can go get like Venables.

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Speaker 2: I suppose if he really wants a head coaching job

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Speaker 2: in the SEC.

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Speaker 3: Because you know the way these things work, you've got

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Speaker 3: an offensive minded guy. Typically the administration goes the exact

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Speaker 3: opposite direction, which means they would hire a defensive minded guy.

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Speaker 2: I say, just go get Mike Leach. I'm not a

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Speaker 2: huge fan of him, but that'd be great.

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Speaker 1: It would work.

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Speaker 2: It would definitely work.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: They they would be a Leach team. They would go

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Speaker 2: seven to five, eight and four every year and nobody

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Speaker 2: would want to play them.

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Speaker 1: All right, you got anyone else here? Now?

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Speaker 2: Just there's you know other assistant news Texas fired their coordinators. Okay,

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Speaker 2: that's not a huge surprise, Tim Beck and Todd Orlando.

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Speaker 2: It was God a couple of years ago. Texas defense

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Speaker 2: is really nice. So Graham Harrell, I've seen whether or

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Speaker 2: not Clay Helton has retained at USC. I saw that

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Speaker 2: Graham Harrell or maybe his people or the idea is

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Speaker 2: floating that I'll come whatever the situation is.

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Speaker 1: At USC.

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Speaker 2: I saw Joe Brady, although it appears LSU is prepared

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Speaker 2: to get that man paid. So Texas is when a

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Speaker 2: coach gets rid of both of his coordinators, even if

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Speaker 2: it's from his own volition, Tom Herman, friend of the show,

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Speaker 2: it sends a message that either oh boy, I'm in

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Speaker 2: trouble and I need to get things right real quick,

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Speaker 2: or his bosses and boosters and power brokers are saying, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you're in trouble. You need to make some changes. So

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Speaker 2: that's what's going on on the forty acres. I think

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Speaker 2: Texas will do very well in terms of hires. Don't

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Speaker 2: know how well it'll work. It's a bad situation if

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Speaker 2: you are an up and coming coordinator. We saw originally

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Speaker 2: Cliff Kingsbury and then Graham Harrell go to you sc

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Speaker 2: It's not a great situation when both coordinators are fired.

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Speaker 2: In conclusion, money I don't know how attractive a perhaps

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Speaker 2: one year stint in Austin is, but we'll see.

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Speaker 1: Money should not be an issue. No for Texas.

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Speaker 3: We add what South Carolina making a change at offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 3: NC State making a change at defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 2: I think a pretty experienced defense by the way, and

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Speaker 2: Sam Ellinger, I assume we'll be back. I don't feel

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Speaker 2: like I see him turning pro, but maybe I'm wrong.

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Speaker 3: We'll be interesting to see him in a Graham Harrell system.

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Speaker 3: I think it would be very interesting. They lose a

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Speaker 3: couple of big receivers, but they've recruited well South Carolina.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned they get rid of their offensive coordinator apparently

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Speaker 3: strength coach. That's another tenuous do you want to be

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Speaker 3: in Columbia free year type situation? It appears NC State

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Speaker 3: and Dave Huxtable have now parted ways, and I think

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Speaker 3: I did a pretty good job with them, but just

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Speaker 3: fell off a cliff this year, and that might be another, yeah,

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Speaker 3: make some changes real quick kind of situation. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: there are other situations sort of Brewing. ASU may hire

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Speaker 3: did you see this? No, Hugh Jackson to be their

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Speaker 3: new offensive coordinator. Okay, Arizona State made some changes and

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Speaker 3: may hire Hugh Jackson.

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Speaker 2: I would be in favor of that. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if it'll work, but I will be in favor of it.

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Speaker 2: Any other big changes because as we're as of our recording,

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Speaker 2: Clay Helton has only been fired via Twitter and that

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Speaker 2: was refuted by some other people, and such thing has.

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Speaker 3: Happened, and James Franklin has apparently been hired both to

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Speaker 3: USC and FSU Per Trader.

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Speaker 2: Charlie Strong is out in Tampa for South Florida. Jilly

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Speaker 2: Taggart's name being tossed into that mix. Northwestern got rid

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Speaker 2: of I never get happy when people fire anybody. I

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Speaker 2: mean maybe I used to, but now I'm just old

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Speaker 2: and soft. But it was time for Mick McCall in

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Speaker 2: Northwestern the other way, in separate ways totally well, frank

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Speaker 2: at utsa that I mean, there's there's you could go

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Speaker 2: on that is changing.

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Speaker 1: Go online.

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Speaker 3: We've got this sound that we will play in due time.

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Speaker 3: The coaching, the coaching carousel, there's the war. The coaching

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Speaker 3: carousel will continue to spin.

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Speaker 1: For the next couple of weeks.

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Speaker 3: We will be here doing our able best to cover

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Speaker 3: it for all y'all. Please do tweet us at saliverbal or.

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Speaker 1: Send us a message on signal for oh verbal one.

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Speaker 1: Do you think any of your co workers?

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Speaker 2: Well, oh, I mean not that your co workers would

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Speaker 2: know its signal is tie, right, but that they know

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Speaker 2: what encrypted messaging is ty. Can we talk about even

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Speaker 2: though I'm on the record as being anti playoff?

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Speaker 1: Yes, it now.

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Speaker 2: Finally feels like the right time to talk actual plas Mario.

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Speaker 1: Let's do it.

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Speaker 2: So obviously we couldn't be sort of straightforward with this game. Uh,

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Speaker 2: this is the tooth screws. We keep things nautically themed.

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Speaker 2: A number of teams, good teams have now cross the pond,

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Speaker 2: that is the twenty nineteen season ahead of Championship Week

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Speaker 2: correct and not unlike chan Ho Park Chan Ho Park

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Speaker 2: late nineties Dodgers pitcher and then pitch for a number

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Speaker 2: of other teams into the two thousands. They have crossed

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Speaker 2: the pond to succeed and to be killers. And I

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Speaker 2: want to know which four vessels tie. Oh boy, to

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Speaker 2: you have earned a slip at the Magical Majestic wealthy

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Speaker 2: elite season ending marina and shout and you know, get

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Speaker 2: the park their vessels to chant land Ho Park.

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Speaker 3: Now listen, you're burying the lead. You need to play

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Speaker 3: the sound here.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Park throws a left of the face of Belcher

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Speaker 1: a kick and then here we go. So you put

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Speaker 1: this sound together. I take no credit for it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this was one of the all time best mound

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Speaker 3: charges in the history of Major League Baseball back in

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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety nine. And we both watched the clip before

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Speaker 3: we put this segment together. Tim Belcher was just fielding

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Speaker 3: a bun, actually tagging chan Ho Park out dealtedly, not

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Speaker 3: even exaggeratedly.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Okay tags him out.

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Speaker 3: Chan Ho takes exception to it and does like a

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Speaker 3: sweet karate kick, or he gets him in the head

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Speaker 3: with his knee and then in the ribs with his

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Speaker 3: other foot, sort of.

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Speaker 1: Both at once. He spun.

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Speaker 3: You could only do that if you've been planning for

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Speaker 3: it your whole life.

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Speaker 2: It was so impressive. So I guess who has that

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Speaker 2: killer in them? Yea like chan Ho Park very clearly did.

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Speaker 2: I'm not talking about ordinary playoff charges. Tie, Who are

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Speaker 2: the four teams? So right now, as it stands. We

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Speaker 2: have Ohio State, we have all these teams essentially playing

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Speaker 2: in championship games at the top. So if it's chalk,

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Speaker 2: it'll be Ohio State, LSU, Clemson in whatever order, and

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Speaker 2: either Utah or Oklahoma if it's chok Right, So I

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Speaker 2: guess my first question would be Utah or Oklahoma.

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Speaker 3: If I'm picking between the two, all things being equal,

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Speaker 3: I go Utah.

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Speaker 2: Both reasonable wins. So let's say a ten point win,

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Speaker 2: they each win twenty seven to seventeen.

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Speaker 1: I go Utah.

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Speaker 2: What's the case for Utah.

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Speaker 3: I think the case for Utah is consistency on both

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Speaker 3: sides of the football.

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Speaker 2: And I mean they've also been murdering teams.

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Speaker 1: They've been murdering teams.

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Speaker 3: You want to talk about killer instinct, the Channel Park Complex.

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Speaker 3: If we're playing this game, Utah has definitely been there.

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma. I've struggled with Oklahoma. I've struggled to.

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Speaker 3: Try and figure them out because of the top forty

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Speaker 3: team thing. They did separate from Oklahoma State and Bedlin

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Speaker 3: this past weekend, but there have been plenty of instances,

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Speaker 3: the most notable which was the Kansas State game when

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Speaker 3: they just couldn't separate from a team that was just

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Speaker 3: above average.

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Speaker 2: So they both lose to what eight and four teams

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Speaker 2: on the road. If you're going to compare USC in

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Speaker 2: Kansas State, if we're going to go even further down

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Speaker 2: this whole, I don't know. I think USC is probably better,

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Speaker 2: but USC also lost to BYU, Kansas State lose to

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Speaker 2: West Virginia.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I think Utah in terms of how they've performed against

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Speaker 2: great teams and Oklahoma in letting not so great teams

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Speaker 2: into games because we're nitpicking here, and the Oklahoma defense,

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Speaker 2: even though it has improved these past couple weeks, if

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Speaker 2: you're looking at a season long thing, I know Oklahoma

663
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Speaker 2: probably scheduled better in the non conference portion of the schedule.

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Speaker 2: There's just something about the way Utah has performed. And

665
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Speaker 2: when I and I've talked about this now for a

666
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Speaker 2: couple of years migrating scale is do you have that

667
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Speaker 2: combination of quarterback and defense? Both have the quarterback, only

668
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Speaker 2: one has the defense. To me, to my eyes to

669
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Speaker 2: what I've seen from both teams. You know, Oklahoma going

670
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 2: down the way they did, even though they pulled out

671
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 2: the Baylor game, that's worrisome because I don't think Baylor's

672
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 2: playoff caliber right now. I don't think they have the

673
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 2: offense to be playoff caliber. That to me, seeing what

674
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Speaker 2: Oklahoma had to do against a playoff adjacent team is worrisome.

675
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 2: So right now I have Utah, and this weekend we'll

676
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Speaker 2: do a lot. If Oklahoma destroys Baylor and Utah just

677
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Speaker 2: sort of gets by Oregon, I think we can have

678
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Speaker 2: a more reason conversation about Oklahoma's deserving. But I have

679
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Speaker 2: Utah right now.

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Speaker 3: Right now, if you put Utah and Oklahoma on a

681
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Speaker 3: neutral field, what do you think the spread would be.

682
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Speaker 1: You have your little calculator out. Yes, I got it.

683
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: I got it out Oklahoma by a point and a half.

684
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Speaker 1: It's Utah by about a point and a half. Oh, okay,

685
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,280
Speaker 1: so there's about a point a half. So it's close.

686
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Speaker 1: It's very close. I favorite Utah. I favorite Utah in

687
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Speaker 1: that scenario.

688
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Speaker 3: But if you're asking my top four teams, my top

689
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,720
Speaker 3: four teams, I think at the end of this weekend,

690
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 3: I think the top four teams.

691
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Speaker 2: All chalk winning by at least ten to fourteen points.

692
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Speaker 3: I think Ohio State wins comfortably. I think I think

693
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Speaker 3: LSU wins. I don't know how comfortably, but I think

694
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Speaker 3: they win. Okay, I obviously think Clemson's gonna win, and

695
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Speaker 3: then my fourth team would be Utah. That would be

696
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Speaker 3: my top four. I think those are the four that

697
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Speaker 3: get in. Alabama's obviously out now by virtue of their loss. Oklahoma,

698
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 3: I think, beats Baylor in the Big Twelve Championship game,

699
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Speaker 3: but I think Utah does enough against Oregon to make

700
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Speaker 3: their case.

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00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: I think they'll be the number four team.

702
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Speaker 2: If Utah completely lays waste to Oregon and Oklahoma wins

703
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,720
Speaker 2: by a field goal, because I think Oklahoma is more

704
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 2: likely because of just their their season. They scheduled better

705
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 2: in the non conference portion of the schedule. I don't

706
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Speaker 2: know how much brand is going to creep into it,

707
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Speaker 2: but I think what Oklahoma has accomplished is more visible

708
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 2: than what Utah has done. And I think that even

709
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 2: if it's not intentional, I think that creeps into the

710
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 2: backs of human brains. So if Utah wins thirty five

711
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,720
Speaker 2: to three and Oklahoma wins twenty seven to twenty six,

712
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 2: do you think that's enough to change minds?

713
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 3: No, I think Utah gets an I think if Utah wins,

714
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 3: they're in Oh.

715
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Speaker 2: I mean that's Utah killing them, So you don't think

716
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 2: that's that's differentiating.

717
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 3: Okay, I think by and large, if Utah wins, they're in,

718
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 3: provided it's not a very sloppy win.

719
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Speaker 2: And in your regard, where do you stand on Georgia

720
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Speaker 2: beating LSU and putting both in?

721
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Speaker 1: Ah? Man, I think obviously it depends on what else happens.

722
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: It depends on what else happens.

723
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Speaker 2: But would you put twelve and one LSU ahead of

724
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Speaker 2: Big twelve champion Oklahoma with a comfortable win over Baylor?

725
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 2: Would you put them in over twelve and one Utah

726
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 2: with a comfortable win over or.

727
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 3: I think that's a scenario where you have to put

728
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 3: two SEC teams in. I don't know how you don't

729
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 3: put the SEC champion in the playoff, and.

730
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 2: No, I mean George is in. I'm saying more LSU.

731
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think LSU would have to be in too,

732
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Speaker 3: because they've been one of the two to three most

733
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 3: impressive teams all year and if they lose, they're not

734
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Speaker 3: going to get blown out. It would be a close

735
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 3: win for Georgia. It's just a style of play. Sure,

736
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Speaker 3: So I think in that scenario, a close win, any

737
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,439
Speaker 3: win by Georgia. I think LSU and Georgia are both

738
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Speaker 3: in I totally disagree.

739
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 2: Really why, I mean this is more heart than head,

740
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Speaker 2: Probably because I guess it depends also on how you

741
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 2: view the point of the playoff, and it's reached the

742
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Speaker 2: point where there's so much status now attached to the

743
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 2: playoff where people look at it as oh, I'm deserving

744
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 2: of the playoff and being considered a playoff team. Because

745
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 2: I think there's also talking about creeping into the back

746
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 2: of people's minds. There's an inevitability about I guess this

747
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 2: year Clemson that well, we're not gonna be Clemson or

748
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 2: we're not gonna beat Ohio State, but we're a playoff

749
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 2: team for sure. Now LSU has changed that. But this

750
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: in this case, LSU is losing. I think LSU would

751
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 2: have a chance to beat the SEC eventual SEC champion

752
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 2: and fail. And if we are judging the SEC champion

753
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 2: as a no brainer, should always get.

754
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Speaker 1: Into the playoff.

755
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 2: Why do we need to learn if LSU is still

756
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: a top four team after they to a top four team,

757
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 2: why do we need that rematch? What does that give us?

758
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 2: And I understand if you're saying, well, Utah, who do

759
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 2: they play in the Pac twelve. Utah can't control other

760
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 2: Pac twelve teams. Why did Oklahoma separate themselves from everybody

761
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 2: in the Big twelve or why didn't they Why wasn't

762
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 2: their schedule, why didn't they play more ranked teams? Oklahoma

763
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 2: can't control that. So in looking at what teams control,

764
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 2: the fact that LSU can control, beating Georgia can control

765
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 2: their place in the top four by beating Georgia decided

766
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 2: on the field and can't do it. That was their chance.

767
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Speaker 2: I'm done, okay if you especially later on in the season.

768
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Speaker 2: I just I don't want rematches. I want to do

769
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 2: anything we can do, whether it's you know, putting Michigan

770
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 2: and Ohio State and in the same year, or putting

771
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Speaker 2: Oregon in usc In in the same year, or putting

772
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 2: Texas and Oklahoma in the same year. I don't want

773
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Speaker 2: any part of Clemson Florida State in the same year. No,

774
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Speaker 2: I'm just totally out on trying to find We're not

775
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 2: trying to find the best four teams then, because at

776
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,479
Speaker 2: a certain point you're just like, well I still think

777
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 2: this is the best four team.

778
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: We're not.

779
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 2: We're not searching anymore. Yeah, right, we're not searching to

780
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 2: see if Oklahoma. We're not searching to see if Utah

781
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 2: is because then then what's the point, what's the point

782
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 2: if we're.

783
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's a fair argument, it's a it's an

784
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 3: absolute fair argument to make. It feels to me like

785
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 3: LSU has been so far and away better than I

786
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 3: assume they're favored.

787
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: Right, they're favored. They're favored by seven and a half

788
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: right now.

789
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 2: Also, if you can fairly say, yeah, we lost to

790
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 2: a team that lost to South Carolina, that's too bad.

791
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 2: I just god, the prospect of reruns in the college

792
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 2: football playoff, as much as I don't even like the playoff,

793
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 2: that just makes it so much worse.

794
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 3: Well, we'll see, we'll see what happens this weekend. I

795
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 3: think if it's me, I get that argument. But if

796
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 3: you are truly on a quest to find the best

797
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 3: four teams in college football, I don't know how you

798
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 3: leave an SEC champion.

799
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: Now. So Georgie's in, George's in. George is, George is

800
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: one hundred percent in in that scenario, and.

801
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 2: They would beat a seeming the obvious playoff team and

802
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 2: deserve to stay in now, Wisconsin, they beat Ohio State,

803
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 2: no Number one team in the country, They're out.

804
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: They're out.

805
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 2: They're number ten right now. They can't jump. What if

806
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: a number of crazy things happen though Utah loses. I

807
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 2: think Wisconsin beeting Ohio State's more impressive than Oregon is

808
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 2: a two loss team beating Utah.

809
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: Agreed. I think Ohio State's in regard to.

810
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 2: Ohio State with a loss to Wisconsin is in. I

811
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 2: think they're a big ten running up.

812
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 1: I know. I think they're in now.

813
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 2: I'm using my same logic, chance to settle on the

814
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Speaker 2: field they fail. It's good logic, neutral field, its sound logic.

815
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 2: They lost to not even a playoff team, a playoff

816
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 2: adjacent team, a team who lost to Illinois.

817
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 3: Again, I come back to, Ohio State is not going

818
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 3: to get blown out by Wisconsin. Even if they lose,

819
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 3: they're edged out by two points on a last second

820
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 3: field goal. I don't think a loss of that nature

821
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 3: is enough to knock them completely out of the playoff,

822
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 3: given the fact that they've been unstoppable all year along.

823
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 2: How do you rank a one loss Ohio State team

824
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 2: ahead of a two loss Wisconsin team who just beat them?

825
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 3: On a neutral field, you rank them ahead because Ohio

826
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 3: State didn't lose to Illinois.

827
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,439
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean I understand not using head to head

828
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 2: for everything, but doing a championship.

829
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 3: Weekend, Wisconsin lost to Illinois, Dan, that's a disqualifier.

830
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 2: We talked you about the same weeks ago. Now do

831
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,479
Speaker 2: you feel the same way about Clemson, who scheduled better

832
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 2: in the non conference and beating Texas A and M,

833
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 2: but at the same time their conference slate would not

834
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 2: be as impressive as Ohio States.

835
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Speaker 1: What are you asking?

836
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 3: You're asking if they lose no matter what? Wow, if

837
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 3: Clemson loses to Virginva lost Virginia. If Clemson loses to UVA,

838
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 3: I think there's a better case that they get knocked out.

839
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 2: Can Baylor get in stomping Oklahoma? Sure, you'd put Baylor

840
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 2: in over Utah if Utah comfortably wins.

841
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:00,959
Speaker 1: If you ta comfortable winds.

842
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 3: No, But okay, can Baylor get in if Utah loses

843
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 3: if they beat Oklahoma?

844
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's possible. I agree with you.

845
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 3: I don't think they're a playoff caliber team. I think

846
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 3: they're a very good team. Ten and two is a

847
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 3: great year from that rule. Oh my gosh, yeah, can

848
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 3: they get in? Yeah, they need a lot of help,

849
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 3: but they can do it.

850
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 2: It's good to know that I've been hosting a show

851
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 2: with somebody with these thoughts all this time.

852
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: Well, I mean got here. Look, it's doesn't take that much.

853
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 2: What if? What if Ohio State just turns the ball

854
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 2: over their first three possessions and they're not just not.

855
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: But now we're dealing in hypotheticals. They're not total hypothetical.

856
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:44,439
Speaker 2: They're not going twenty eight to ten Wisconsin, Oh God,

857
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 2: they just sit on them with JTT no doubt, victory

858
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 2: formation easy. I still think I don't see it happen.

859
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 2: Still think they get in. It's a weird sports I

860
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 2: still think they get in. Why I still think they

861
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 2: get in. I think they're in no matter what. At

862
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 2: this point, above all the other teams. I think they're in,

863
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 2: no matter what. Ohio State loses twenty eight ten, Utah

864
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 2: wins thirty one to twelve. You take Ohio State over Utah.

865
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: I still think Ohio State gets in. I still think

866
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: Ohio State gets in.

867
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 3: Oh Man, I don't care if it's faulty logic, don't

868
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 3: at me telling you no.

869
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 2: I'm sure everybody is on your side here, I'm sure.

870
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 2: I'm just you know, there's also a skeptical side of

871
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 2: me when it comes to the playoff, right. You know,

872
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 2: I've argued for this for a long time, But there's

873
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 2: also like the conspiratorial mind buried deep within that thinks

874
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 2: ratings are the driving factor behind all this.

875
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

876
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ohio State versus Utah in that sense, they're going

877
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 3: buck guys one hundred percent of the time.

878
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 2: I don't think you're wrong, I just that would be

879
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 2: my choice. If a team has a chance to settle

880
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 2: things on the field with the same record and can

881
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 2: only beat up on the people in front of them,

882
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: we're searching, and we're searching for teams who can win

883
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 2: big games, because playoff games are big games.

884
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:08,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

885
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 2: That's where Okay, I'm glad we disagree.

886
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: We agree on too much and we have been this

887
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 1: season now.

888
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 3: I think I think Ohio States no matter what, my

889
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 3: final four is Ohio State, LSU, Clemson, and I think

890
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 3: probably Utah.

891
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I'm sticking with that.

892
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 2: That's what I'm do you think do you think Utah

893
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 2: has a better chance if they draw Ohio State or

894
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 2: Climb or whoever they draw the number one seed. So

895
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 2: which four seed in Oklahoma or Utah hypothetically sure has

896
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 2: a better chance to hang around long enough if you

897
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 2: know how the other team, their opponent, the number one

898
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 2: seed is going to be a pretty significant favorite hang

899
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 2: around long enough to make it a game.

900
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 1: Late or win.

901
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 2: Wow, better of your calculator right now? For both, I

902
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 2: guess we can use the whole state. Yeah, Ohio State Oklahoma,

903
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:00,240
Speaker 2: Ohio State would.

904
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 1: Be about.

905
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 3: Seven and a half or eight point favorite over Utah

906
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 3: neutral field. Okay, they would be a little bit more

907
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 3: of a favorite over Oklahoma, let's say eight and a

908
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 3: half and over bailor they be favored by about eighteen.

909
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 2: Okay, that sounds all right. I think Utah has the

910
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 2: best chance to hang around because of just how volatile

911
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 2: Oklahoma's been. Yeah, I think tap probably has a lower

912
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,479
Speaker 2: overall ceiling. But I don't really have a good case

913
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 2: as to why that is.

914
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: No, I'm with you.

915
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 2: I guess it's because Lincoln Riley and Lincoln Riley's offenses

916
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 2: have been so gangbusters, but Utah's offense has been terrific.

917
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 3: Utah has been crazy efficient. Yeah, so far this year

918
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 3: they're top ten both offense and defense. And on the

919
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 3: Oklahoma side, they're crazy efficient on offense number one in

920
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 3: terms of offensive efficiency, but defense they're like top forty.

921
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,959
Speaker 2: By the way, Utah is getting every bounce this front.

922
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 2: The PAC twelve does not want organ winning this game,

923
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 2: and that's fine. I think Utah is the better team.

924
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 2: But if you're a conspiracy theorist, yeah, but some ugly

925
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 2: weather by the way, Friday night, we'll talk about that

926
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 2: on our preview show. But yeah, I think Utah, even

927
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 2: though very smart digital college football influencers like you and

928
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 2: me are saying that, do.

929
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: You just call us smart?

930
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're brilliant digital college football influencers are calling Utah

931
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 2: the better team than Oklahoma right now. I think they

932
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 2: need because everybody will watching the Pac twelve game. Rights,

933
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 2: They're not competing against any other Power five game.

934
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: It's Friday night.

935
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 2: As opposed to Saturday, so they will have the attention

936
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 2: of the college football world. Utah cannot squander it. No,

937
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 2: I think Utah does need to show some style points.

938
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 2: For as much as the committee says that that doesn't

939
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 2: fully matter, I think they need to win this game

940
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 2: by double digits.

941
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 3: It matters because I think at the end of the day,

942
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 3: Oklahoma's going to have a stronger resume from top to bottom. Yeah,

943
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 3: and so it really does come down to somewhat the

944
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 3: eye test, who do you think is the better team?

945
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 2: By the way, I'm a little softer on if two

946
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 2: teams playing the non conference and meeting again in the playoff,

947
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit softer on that. So you know

948
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 2: Texas Notre Dame playing to start the season, or you know,

949
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: we saw Oregon Auburn, We've seen Alabama Wisconsin. I'm softer

950
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 2: on that late season reruns. I'm totally out.

951
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 3: Of So you're okay with putting Texas in Notre Dame

952
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 3: in the playoff this year, that's great, I absolutely.

953
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: Am or the Camping World Bowl ty whichever which which Okay,

954
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: I did look up I had.

955
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 2: I had a bunch of references I was going to

956
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 2: use Tai. I was going to say the Kraken of

957
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 2: college football chaos was going to come up and let

958
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 2: Wisconsin win. I looked up other seafaring monsters. Are you

959
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 2: familiar with the Leviathan?

960
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: The what now?

961
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 2: The Leviathan?

962
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 1: I am most certainly not.

963
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 2: You clearly didn't play magic, the Gathering l E V

964
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 2: I a t h a n or oh I never

965
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 2: heard of it. Also tentacled, but more of a giant creature,

966
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 2: as the kraken is almost like a giant octopus the

967
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 2: size of a small island. Are you familiar with cethulu? No,

968
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 2: that's also tentacle, but like the mouth tentacles. Okay, almost

969
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 2: like the Pirates of the Caribbean. You know what I'm

970
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 2: talking about here? Yes, I do mouth tendies.

971
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: Sure.

972
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 2: And then there's the Umi bozu, which is a Japanese

973
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 2: sea monster.

974
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: Ty. I really went, we're really we're really going off the.

975
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,760
Speaker 2: I don't remember why, but I have. Oh, I guess

976
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,439
Speaker 2: making the case right, making the case for playoff teams. Yes,

977
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:34,919
Speaker 2: your top maritime law school, Miami, LSU, the University of Maine,

978
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 2: and Tulane all considered to be top notch maritime law programs.

979
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: All right, great, that is all I have. Great? Well,

980
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: is that the end of the show. It can be.

981
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 2: Do you have any other thoughts? I made it on

982
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 2: the both flights, No problem, you did.

983
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: I think we talked about that. And your voice is better,

984
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: which is good. Yeah.

985
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 3: Okay, So Thursday Thursday, we're going to preview all of

986
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 3: these conference championship games on the normal Thursday show, Yes,

987
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 3: and on Sunday.

988
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: After we recap.

989
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 3: I believe we got what one more twos cruise, one

990
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 3: more tooth cruise, one more one more tooth cruise planned

991
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 3: and after the regular season we'll switch up the schedule

992
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 3: a little bit. We are, of course going to preview

993
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 3: all of the bowl games and get you.

994
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 1: We're going daily after the season ends. Baby God, now

995
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: I'm running on fulds.

996
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 3: I know we're gonna go through all the bowl games,

997
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 3: talk through all the swag, talk through all the matchups,

998
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 3: give you a confidence check on each of these games,

999
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 3: and then make the hard turn into twenty twenty as

1000
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 3: we get to the national Championship, some of the New

1001
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 3: Year six games and beyond. We started the whole process

1002
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 3: back over again. But alas, we will be with you

1003
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 3: around the full calendar talking college football.

1004
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 1: I'm it's gonna be great.

1005
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 3: We will talk to you all on Thursday in the

1006
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 3: meantime for that guy over there, my good friend Dan

1007
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 3: Rubins seen four, myself, Tie hilden Brand, you're Captain Tie

1008
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 3: hilden Brand, thank you so much for joining us here

1009
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 3: in the two cruise, fair winds and following instants, Lieutenant

1010
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:11,280
Speaker 3: Dan out Peace