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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio News.

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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to another episode of The Odd Lots podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm Joe Wisenthal and.

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Speaker 3: I'm Tracy Alloway.

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Speaker 2: Tracy, we might get a socialist mayor here in New

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Speaker 2: York City. Can I tell you something please?

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Speaker 3: It's slightly weird. Last night, the night before we're recording

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Speaker 3: this episode, I had a dream that I was in

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Speaker 3: a shared uber with Adrian Adams and she was the driver.

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Speaker 3: So she's another mayoral candidate. She was driving and I

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Speaker 3: told her we were going to interview this particular candidate.

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Speaker 2: And I was amazing.

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Speaker 3: I was asking her for good questions.

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Speaker 2: This is an amazing dream.

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Speaker 3: You're not, maybe, Lissa, No, My dreams are very literal.

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Speaker 3: And everyone in the uber was giving me ideas for

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Speaker 3: questions and had opinions and stuff like that. But now

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Speaker 3: I can't remember any of it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's really disappointing. Anyway. You know, we don't really

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Speaker 2: cover a lot of New York City politics. We don't

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Speaker 2: cover a lot of politics in general. We hardly ever

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Speaker 2: talked about New York City politics. Who really cares about

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Speaker 2: New York and the broad audience. We don't like to

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Speaker 2: be too navel gazing. But you know, this is a

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Speaker 2: city with a lot of people who, needless to say,

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Speaker 2: work in finance. Potentially, if they're major changes to tax

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Speaker 2: rates here, etc. Then that could have an impact on

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Speaker 2: the industry that we cover a lot. There are a

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Speaker 2: lot of economics stories that are sort of New York centric,

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Speaker 2: particularly relating to housing, that are very universal, etc. So

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Speaker 2: it's not a crime to every once in a while

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Speaker 2: do a New York City focused episode.

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Speaker 3: No, and this also relates directly to a previous All

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Speaker 3: Balts episode we did all about how New York gets

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Speaker 3: its groceries.

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Speaker 2: That's right, that's the connection. Let's jump right into it.

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Speaker 2: I'm very excited to say we have a state assemblyman

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Speaker 2: and candidate for the Democratic nomination for mayor, Zoron, Mumdanie

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Speaker 2: coming on the show. Zoron, thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: coming on.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me. It's a pleasure.

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Speaker 2: I mentioned your socialist. What specific strand of socialism are

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Speaker 2: you and are the other socialists revisionists and deviationists of

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Speaker 2: various flavor. We need to know your exact the exact

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Speaker 2: category here.

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Speaker 4: I will leave that to the internet. Will I will

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Speaker 4: tell you that I am a Democratic socialist, yes, And

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Speaker 4: I started to call myself that after Bernie Sanders' twenty

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Speaker 4: sixteen run for president, when I finally had a language

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Speaker 4: described the way that I saw the world and the

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Speaker 4: way that I believe the world should be, which is

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Speaker 4: one where every person has the dignity they need to

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Speaker 4: live a decent life.

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Speaker 2: By the way, you know, now that I am a

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Speaker 2: journalist at a mainstream news organization, I do not personally

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Speaker 2: have political opinions, but I can say that I didn't

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Speaker 2: wasn't always the case. And I went to high school

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Speaker 2: in Vermont, and I was a volunteer on Bernie's nineteen

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Speaker 2: ninety six house campaign, and want was a picture of

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Speaker 2: me with Bernie. So I was a very early you too.

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Speaker 2: I was a Bernard Brother before it became cool.

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Speaker 4: Yes, you got in early.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right.

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Speaker 3: So how would you describe your platform? Is it the

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Speaker 3: New York version of Sanders.

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Speaker 4: It's heavily inspired by that same focus on income inequality

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Speaker 4: and a recognition of the fact that one in four

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Speaker 4: New Yorkers are currently living in poverty in what has

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Speaker 4: now been described as the most expensive city in the country.

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Speaker 4: And it is a platform at its core to make

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Speaker 4: this city affordable and to use every tool at city

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Speaker 4: government's disposal to do so, because for too long we've

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Speaker 4: had politicians pretend that we are just bystanders to a

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Speaker 4: suffocating cost of living crisis, when in fact, we have

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Speaker 4: two choices, whether to exacerbate it or put an end

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Speaker 4: to it. And we've seen Eric Adams do the former.

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Speaker 4: We're running to do the latter.

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Speaker 2: What did Eric Adams do when you said he did

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Speaker 2: the former, what did he do in your view to

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Speaker 4: You know, the first issue that you hear from most

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Speaker 4: New Yorkers when it comes to cost of living is housing,

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Speaker 4: and the mayor sets the rent increases for more than

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Speaker 4: two million New Yorkers who live in rent stabilized housing.

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Speaker 4: And he came in as a self described real estate

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Speaker 4: That's how he described himself coming into the office. And

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Speaker 4: he's raised rents accordingly. He's raised them more than nine percent.

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Speaker 4: entirely composed of his appointees, found that the landlords of

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Speaker 4: is one example. Another I would say is his relationship

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Speaker 4: to con Edison. Connetison can only raise the rates of

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Speaker 4: they do so through something called a rate case. The

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Speaker 4: Walmart in support of Connettison's requests to raise those rates

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Speaker 4: by sixty five dollars a month on average. And I

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Speaker 4: an opposition to it. And I think that you can

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Speaker 4: see this again and again and again in the way

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Speaker 4: that he has intervened in the major costs that are

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Speaker 4: driving New Yorkers out of the city.

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Speaker 3: So, since you mentioned housing and the rent freeze, you

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Speaker 3: support rent freeze, lower rents? And what do you say

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Speaker 3: to people who think that you need to incentivize landlords

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Speaker 3: also people out there who think that regulatory reform is

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Speaker 3: the key to the supply problem in New York. Why

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Speaker 3: rent freezes particularly versus you know, maybe loosening some of

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Speaker 4: I think that many of these things can actually be

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Speaker 4: achieved in tandem. I am both a candidate who believes

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Speaker 4: we need to freeze the rent for rent stabilized tenants,

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Speaker 4: and one who believes that we need to end the

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Speaker 4: requirement to build parking lots when reconstruct housing, who believes

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Speaker 4: we need to increase density around mass transit hubs, that

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Speaker 4: we need to upzone wealthier neighborhoods that have historically not

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Speaker 4: contributed to affordable housing production, and we need to interrogate

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Speaker 4: why Tokyo is building ten homes for every thousand people,

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Speaker 4: Jersey cities at seven and New York is barely at four.

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Speaker 4: And some of that also has to do with what

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Speaker 4: the need for us to have a true diversity of

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Speaker 4: most direct way that you start your housing platform as

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Speaker 4: the mayor of the city, given your appointing of all

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Speaker 4: nine members of that Rent Guidelines Board. But it cannot

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Speaker 4: be the extent of it, because a city of eight

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Speaker 4: point four eight million people deserves a mayor with a

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Speaker 4: housing platform for eight point four eight million people, not

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Speaker 4: just the closes two and a half million that live

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Speaker 4: landlords have already just won the right to double the

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Speaker 4: I was in opposition to that doubling because of the

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Speaker 4: immense amount of fraud that we've seen in that kind

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Speaker 4: twelve percent increase in revenue for those landlords. If there

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Speaker 4: there is a program where they can apply a hardship

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Speaker 4: And that is a program that I will intend to

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Speaker 4: continue to support because I believe it is important to

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Speaker 2: I've heard that about Jersey City, that they've actually done

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Speaker 2: a fairly good job of expanding housing supply. What is

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Speaker 2: the role in your vision for more affordable housing for

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Speaker 2: the price it developers and the for profit developers and

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Speaker 2: so forth, and you know, in your view, how can

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Speaker 2: we actually move the dial in terms of housing production

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Speaker 2: of we'll get into some of the stuff about I

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Speaker 2: want to talk about the public housing too, or quote

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Speaker 2: affordable housing. But for the private landlords, what can actually

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Speaker 2: in your view move the dial on that.

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Speaker 4: I think some of it has to do with the regulations.

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Speaker 4: I was speaking of the fact that we continue to

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Speaker 4: That's not a requirement we should have any longer. The

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Speaker 4: But I think even beyond that question of zoning, which

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Speaker 4: also the question of process. We need to make it

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Speaker 4: move away from the piecemeal process that is the one

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Speaker 4: one that also fast tracks developments that are in line

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Speaker 4: with the very priorities we've laid out with regards to

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Speaker 4: housing production, labor standards, affordability. Because it's been too long

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Speaker 4: income seniors languish for years in delays, and those delays

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Speaker 4: all cost money, and that's also what drives up the

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Speaker 4: cost of this production, and I think we need to

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Speaker 2: Actually, let's talk about that a little bit further. Because

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Speaker 2: public housing, which you want to expand significantly, is very

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Speaker 2: costly to build. And you know, there are certain standards

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Speaker 2: of public housing. We expect it to last a very

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Speaker 2: long time. There's priorities that it be carbon friendly, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: But like public housing production in New York City has

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Speaker 2: been on parer cost wise with even some very high

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Speaker 2: came in pretty similarly, this would be important regardless of

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Speaker 2: how it's financed. How do you actually get the costs

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Speaker 2: down in your view of public housing production.

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Speaker 4: So the first thing I would do is just distinguish

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Speaker 4: say public housing, A lot of times we're referring to

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Speaker 4: Nischa developments. Yeah, across the fire.

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Speaker 2: That's when I said it. I was thinking, nice, okay.

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Speaker 4: Just to be clear, and I think that you know,

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Speaker 4: what we've seen in Nischa is in many ways emblematic

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Speaker 4: of a larger betrayal of working class New Yorkers. Nischa

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Speaker 3: Today, I want to talk about another plank of your

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Speaker 4: You know, we are focused on the cost of living crisis,

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Speaker 4: And so what this proposal does is it not only

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Speaker 3: So some commentators have described this proposal as somewhat unusual

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Speaker 4: Well, the beauty of a pilot program is that it

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Speaker 4: I think what's been quite interesting to me is state government,

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Speaker 4: And I think the last point I would make here

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Speaker 4: So this is going to save the city money while

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Speaker 2: All right, I have two specific questions on this. One

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Speaker 2: The grocery level margins seem very thin. Now, I know

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Speaker 4: I think the opportunity we have with a city run

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Speaker 4: We have heard national chains and executives speak on earning

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Speaker 4: But beyond that, given that the mandate is not a

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Speaker 4: I have to earn the public's trust and I will

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Speaker 4: And if if you believe in public goods in public service,

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Speaker 4: ultimately that is what we need to show New Yorkers.

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Speaker 4: We have to earn their trust, and the best way

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Speaker 3: Just one more question on the grocery stores. So I

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Speaker 4: I would judge the success in their provision of affordable groceries.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk more about public excellence in the

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Speaker 4: My Bernard brother, let's do it.

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Speaker 2: I am an avid utilizer of many of the public

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Speaker 2: seem as committed to sort of like product excellence as

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Speaker 2: I would expect for them to say, be politically sustainable.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, I feel very safe. I live in

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Speaker 2: the East Village, I commute up here. I generally feel

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Speaker 2: very safe. But you know, like I see needles on

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Speaker 2: the playground at Tompkins Square Park. There are bathrooms that

446
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Speaker 2: are almost never open or functional. They're smoking on the

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Speaker 2: subway from time to time. It's not the end of

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Speaker 2: the world, but it's not very pleasant, especially when you

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Speaker 2: have kids. And I'm curious like what your view is about,

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Speaker 2: like what seems to be a sort of tension between

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Speaker 2: excellent provision of public goods and some of the law

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Speaker 2: and order, as people would call it, requirements for them

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Speaker 2: to be clean, friendly, excellent places.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think we on the left have to

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Speaker 4: make it clear that quality of life is of immense

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Speaker 4: concern to us, because when we are fighting for public goods,

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Speaker 4: for public service, for public excellence, at the core of

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Speaker 4: it is that belief that everyone should have an excellent

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Speaker 4: quality of life. And yet what has happened in the

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Speaker 4: last few years is that this term has almost been

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Speaker 4: made to be understood as if it is solely a

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Speaker 4: conservative concern, when in fact, this is at the heart

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Speaker 4: of what we're fighting.

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Speaker 2: It feels to me, like, to be honest, that the

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Speaker 2: left has conceded that that actually the part of the

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Speaker 2: reason it's become a sort of conservative coded term is

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Speaker 2: because I perceive, and tell me if I'm wrong, it's fine,

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Speaker 2: but I perceive a certain discomfort about some of the

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Speaker 2: hard choices or some of the you know more, maybe

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Speaker 2: carcerole is the right word, law and order whatever that

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Speaker 2: would contribute to making some of these public goods safer

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Speaker 2: and clean.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think what we have to make clear is

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Speaker 4: that those are not the only choices on offer, and

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Speaker 4: yet we do have to still respond to that same crisis.

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Speaker 4: And so often, as you were describing living in New

477
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Speaker 4: York City, you have a different understanding than if you

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Speaker 4: were to view it through the prism of social media

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Speaker 4: or TV. And yet we can say two things at once,

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Speaker 4: which is that there is an immense amount of fear

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Speaker 4: mongering and that we still have to deliver world class goods,

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Speaker 4: which we are far from doing today. And I say

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Speaker 4: that as someone who loves our subway system and who

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Speaker 4: knows that when you ask New Yorkers where they feel

485
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Speaker 4: least safe in the city, you oftentimes hear those same words,

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Speaker 4: It's the subway system. And that's why at the heart

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Speaker 4: of our campaign is a proposal to deliver that same

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Speaker 4: public safety that New Yorkers have been denied under Eric Adams,

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Speaker 4: a mayor who ran in twenty twenty one, telling those

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Speaker 4: same New Yorkers they need not choose between safety and justice.

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Speaker 4: He's shown himself unable to deliver the former, uninterested in

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Speaker 4: delivering the latter. And what we've said is that we

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Speaker 4: will create a Department of Community Safety, the DCS, which

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Speaker 4: understands that police have a critical role to play in

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Speaker 4: public safety, and we are currently relying on them to

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Speaker 4: respond to almost every single failure of the social safety net,

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Speaker 4: asking them to do the work of social workers and

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Speaker 4: mental health professionals, a reliance that has made it nearly

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Speaker 4: impossible for them to actually do their jobs. And we

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Speaker 4: can see that in their inability to raise their clearance

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Speaker 4: rates of the major seven categories of crime. And so

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Speaker 4: what our DCS will do is tackle five key issues homelessness,

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Speaker 4: mental health crisis, gun violence, hate crimes, and victim services

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Speaker 4: and will learn from the evidence proven models that have

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Speaker 4: been successful elsewhere in the country in responding to these

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Speaker 4: very issues and doing so in America that provides public

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Speaker 4: safety and frees up the police.

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Speaker 3: So another part of your platform is raising the corporate

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Speaker 3: tax rate, raising income tax for millionaires. And I think

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Speaker 3: one of the things we are all perhaps internalizing this

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Speaker 3: week as we watch Washington, DC and the big beautiful

512
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Speaker 3: bill currently going through its process, is that raising taxes

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Speaker 3: on the rich seems to be really, really difficult in America.

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Speaker 3: Maybe New York is different, Maybe New Yorkers feel differently

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Speaker 3: about it. But I guess my question is a why

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Speaker 3: do you think it seems so difficult? And then be

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Speaker 3: how can you actually overcome that particular hurdle.

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Speaker 2: Just to take on You actually need state permission to

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Speaker 2: do that, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: You do. You need to work with the state, and ultimately,

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Speaker 4: the city is a creature of the state, and any

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Speaker 4: agenda you have as a mayor that seeks to match

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Speaker 4: the scale of the crisis New Yorkers are living through

524
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Speaker 4: will require Albany. When we wanted to create universal pre k,

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Speaker 4: we required Albany. When we wanted congestion pricing, we required Albany.

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Speaker 4: And I think again, and again and again you will

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Speaker 4: look at any of the most ambitious parts of any

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Speaker 4: candidate's plans and it will require Albany. When I came

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Speaker 4: into office in twenty twenty, one of the first battles

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Speaker 4: that I helped to lead was to raise taxes on

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Speaker 4: the most profitable corporations and the wealthiest New Yorkers so

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Speaker 4: that we could fully fund our public schools. And we

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Speaker 4: eventually did so over the objections of then Governor Cuomo,

534
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Speaker 4: raising about four billion dollars, and that allowed us to

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Speaker 4: fulfill the legal requirement of the Campaign for Fiscal Equity,

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Speaker 4: a landmark case with regards to fully funding public schools.

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Speaker 4: And I think it's difficult in Washington, and it's difficult

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Speaker 4: for a number of politicians to raise taxes on the

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Speaker 4: rich when those politicians are also funded by the rich,

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Speaker 4: because ultimately that clash between the interests of their donors

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Speaker 4: and the interest of their constituents is one that they

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Speaker 4: will oftentimes pick their donors. And we've seen that with

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Speaker 4: Andrew Cuomo. He speaks a big game about fighting for

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Speaker 4: working people, but he is funded by the same billionaires

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Speaker 4: that fund Donald Trump. We've just seen Bill Ackman give

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Speaker 4: his super pack two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, and

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Speaker 4: we continue to see that even with him receiving a

548
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Speaker 4: million dollar donation from DoorDash looking to very clearly purchase

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Speaker 4: influencer around labor and street safety regulations. And I think

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Speaker 4: there is a real possibility of doing so, not only

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Speaker 4: because it's one of the most popular things when you

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Speaker 4: pull it amongst New Yorkers and amongst Americans, but because

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Speaker 4: it's needed to pay for an agenda that will transform

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Speaker 4: the quality of life not only for working class New Yorkers,

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Speaker 4: not only for middle class New Yorkers, but even for

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Speaker 4: the wealthy. You hear this concern about the degradation of

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Speaker 4: city services, and our proposal is one that meets the

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Speaker 4: earlier conversation we were having about the necessity for a

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Speaker 4: public good to be so excellent that even the wealthy

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Speaker 4: use it and delivers that with regards to buses, with

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Speaker 4: regards to childcare, and with so many of the city

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Speaker 4: services that will keep this city running.

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Speaker 3: If you're unable to raise the tax rate for whatever reason,

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Speaker 3: how much of your policy proposal is not viable any longer,

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Speaker 3: And how do you actually prioritize the different things that

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Speaker 3: you are proposing.

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Speaker 4: So I'm confident in our ability to raise it because

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Speaker 4: I've seen in every year that I've been in Albany

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Speaker 4: twenty one that the legislature has in its own budget

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Speaker 4: proposals proposed, those increases on income taxes for the wealthiest

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Speaker 4: New Yorkers and on raising the top corporate tax rate.

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Speaker 4: And just for one moment, if I can explain what

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Speaker 4: those proposals are. Our proposal is to raise the top

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Speaker 4: state corporate tax rate to match that of the radical

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Speaker 4: socialist utopia of New Jersey. Is seven point twenty five

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Speaker 4: percent here in New York to match theirs of eleven

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Speaker 4: point five percent. That's a tax that applies to the

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Speaker 4: topmost level of profitable corporations. We're talking about their profits

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Speaker 4: millions of dollars, and it would raise five billion dollars

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Speaker 4: just in doing so. The second part of the tax plan,

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Speaker 4: which would raise four billion dollars, would be to increase

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Speaker 4: New York City's income tax rate on the top one

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Speaker 4: percent of income owners. We're talking about people who make

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Speaker 4: a million dollars or more a year by a flat

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Speaker 4: two percent increase, so a twenty thousand dollars increase, which

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Speaker 4: is what I would argue a rounding error when you're

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Speaker 4: looking at it within that larger context. Those two things

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Speaker 4: together raise nine billion dollars, and then we raise an

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Speaker 4: additional billion through good government reforms, whether we're talking about

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Speaker 4: procurement or hiring fiscal auditors, or actually collecting the fines

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Speaker 4: and fees that New York City is owed. So that's

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Speaker 4: our fiscal policy of how we raised ten billion. Now,

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Speaker 4: you always have to prepare for every eventuality. The city

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Speaker 4: also has about three billion dollars in its rainy day

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Speaker 4: fund and its reserves combined. It also, in times of

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Speaker 4: economic growth, as we've generally seen in the last few years,

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Speaker 4: sees its budget increase by two to three billion dollars.

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Speaker 4: So there are a lot of different opportunities. And the

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Speaker 4: final thing I will say is, we have a city

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Speaker 4: budget of one hundred and fifteen billion dollars. I am

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Speaker 4: not confident that Eric Adams has been spending every one

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Speaker 4: of those dollars in the most productive way. And one

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Speaker 4: of the first things that I will do when I

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Speaker 4: get into city Hall JOJ but no, I mean to

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Speaker 4: be honest with you. It is a regret of mine

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Speaker 4: that we have allowed someone like Elon Musk to use

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Speaker 4: the language of fraud and inefficiency and waste for his

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Speaker 4: own end of personal benefit, when really, if we care

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Speaker 4: about public goods and public service, we should be ensuring

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Speaker 4: that it is the most efficient spending of those dollars.

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Speaker 4: And I think when we look, especially at the way

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Speaker 4: in which we've hollowed out public capacity to instead replace

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Speaker 4: it with private consultants, there's an immense amount of money

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Speaker 4: to be saved, especially if we're looking specifically at the

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Speaker 4: DOE and how much of our reliance on curricula procurement

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Speaker 4: has to do more with who we've already been procuring

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Speaker 4: with and not having any standardized approach when it should

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Speaker 4: also be a universal approach across the department that ensures

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Speaker 4: we both save money and deliver excellence.

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Speaker 2: I want to ask another politics question. I don't really

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Speaker 2: like to talk policy, but I think this is actually

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Speaker 2: an important to mention. After the recent general election twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four, and with clear that Democrats performed worse than

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Speaker 2: they historically have among non white voters all around the country,

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Speaker 2: there's this big debate about why, and the left says,

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Speaker 2: are the centrist you failed to talk to the working

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Speaker 2: class and the centris It's like, no, it's because you've

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Speaker 2: made us talk about pronow and that repelled people, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: I'm actually not that interested in that question right now.

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Speaker 2: I'm interested that intra left left candidates actually have not

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Speaker 2: done particularly well, mentioned Bernie among poorer voters, among non

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Speaker 2: white voters, among polling. I'm not going to ask you

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Speaker 2: about your own polling per se, but I saw a

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Speaker 2: poll that said you were pulling at eight percent among

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Speaker 2: black voters, with Andrew Cuomo having done a lot better.

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Speaker 2: It seems like left politics in this country. It appeals

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Speaker 2: to educated white people, many of them who probably work

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Speaker 2: in newsrooms. I haven't pulled the Bloomberg newsroom, but you know,

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Speaker 2: stuff like that. Why do you think that is why

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Speaker 2: have general Left candidates, whether it's the primary level, et cetera,

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Speaker 2: or even just looking at you know, New York City

642
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Speaker 2: mayoral polling, not had more progress among what is arguably

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Speaker 2: the core base of the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think these polls that we're speaking about

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Speaker 4: right now with regards to New York City continue to

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Speaker 4: be polls that are more reflective of name recognition than

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Speaker 4: they are of support. And what I mean by that

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Speaker 4: is Andrew Cuomo is a former governor who is the

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Speaker 4: son of a former governor, and when I speak to

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Speaker 4: many New Yorkers who support him, I almost always hear

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Speaker 4: the word Mario in their answer. And what I'm proud

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Speaker 4: of is that we are the only campaign other than

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Speaker 4: Cuomo to have broken double digits with every single ethnic

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Speaker 4: group across the city.

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Speaker 2: But you know, like even like on say like unionization,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of excitement among unionization of Grand students,

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Speaker 2: for example, but you know that's not what we think

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Speaker 2: of as like, you know, the sort of like industrial

659
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Speaker 2: beating heart of the labor movement, et cetera. It does

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Speaker 2: seem to be a phenomenon. There's sort of more left

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Speaker 2: culture or sort of left economic policies have taken hold

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Speaker 2: more among educated whites.

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Speaker 4: Well, look, I think you can look at DC thirty

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Speaker 4: seven for an example. This is the largest municipal union

665
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Speaker 4: in our city, and they represent the workers who actually

666
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Speaker 4: keep this city moving. They are by and large black

667
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Speaker 4: and brown New Yorkers, and they explicitly chose not to

668
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Speaker 4: endorse Andrew Cuomo because he created Tier six, a new

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Speaker 4: category in the pension program that took more than one

670
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Speaker 4: hundred thousand dollars out from working class New Yorkers' pockets

671
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Speaker 4: and made them retire later after having served this city

672
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Speaker 4: in state for decades. And I was proud to receive

673
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Speaker 4: their endorsement, and I think that it shows me the

674
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Speaker 4: path here is one where every single day over these

675
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Speaker 4: next thirty four days, we are going to continue to

676
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 4: increase our support where we have seen ourselves, for example,

677
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 4: just break twenty percent in support with Latino voters. And

678
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 4: that is indicative of the fact that the very New

679
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 4: Yorkers who know Cuomo the most are the ones who've

680
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 4: been failed by his policies the most as well. And

681
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Speaker 4: that is a responsibility for my campaign and every campaign

682
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,439
Speaker 4: to showcase his actual record of cutting medicaid, stealing money

683
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 4: from the MTA to fund upstate ski resorts, hounding the

684
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Speaker 4: more than ten women who courageously stepped forward to accuse

685
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Speaker 4: him of sexual harassment, and in many ways echoing a

686
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Speaker 4: Donald Trump style record. And that's what we will seek

687
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Speaker 4: to do, both at the doors the more than five

688
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty thousand we've knocked so far, and on

689
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Speaker 4: cable and broadcasts and mailers, because we have now raised

690
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 4: eight million dollars, the most amount of money we can

691
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 4: legally spend in this race, faster than any campaign in history,

692
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Speaker 4: and podcasts, I guess, yes, this this is actually our

693
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Speaker 4: master plan. Yeah, it all comes down to odd lots,

694
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Speaker 4: thank you.

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to cook that.

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Speaker 3: So I just remembered something from my dream. Actually, So

697
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 3: one of the passengers said that what he wanted was

698
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Speaker 3: basically this is not a real passenger, but I think

699
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Speaker 3: it's reflective of some things that you actually do here

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Speaker 3: in New York. But he said what he wants is

701
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Speaker 3: basically boring, old competency in a mayor so an administrator

702
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 3: that has lots of policy experience as opposed to someone who's,

703
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Speaker 3: you know, maybe relatively new and trying to do some

704
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 3: new things. And I think that is important. You know,

705
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Speaker 3: there's a big difference between coming up with policy ideas

706
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Speaker 3: and actually executing them and executing them, well, how are

707
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 3: you going to get things done? And what do you

708
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Speaker 3: say to the people who just want, you know, like

709
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Speaker 3: a boring continuation not necessarily of Eric Adams, but you know,

710
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Speaker 3: maybe going back a little bit further.

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Speaker 4: I understand that desire. It's a desire for normalcy in

712
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 4: a time when politics has become about cronyism and corruption.

713
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Speaker 4: And as much as Andrew Cuomo markets himself as a

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Speaker 4: candidate and a campaign of competence, this is a man

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Speaker 4: who couldn't even follow basic paperwork requirements to receive millions

716
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 4: of dollars in public matching funds, someone who couldn't write

717
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Speaker 4: a housing policy without the assistance of chat GBT, or

718
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Speaker 4: even spell the names of his endorsers correctly in his

719
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Speaker 4: own press releases. And as much as a phrenetic public

720
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Speaker 4: facing schedule as I've been keeping over the last seven months,

721
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Speaker 4: I've also been keeping a private schedule where I've been

722
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Speaker 4: meeting with deputy mayors and commissioners from a wide variety

723
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Speaker 4: of mayoral administrations to speak about the how of it all,

724
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Speaker 4: Because an idea is only as good as its implement

725
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 4: and ultimately, it comes back from a desire to build

726
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Speaker 4: a team of the best and the brightest, one where

727
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 4: we have a common threat of excellence, of fluency, and

728
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 4: a track record that binds all of those appointments and

729
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 4: those hires, not a common thread of having served together

730
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Speaker 4: for twenty years, which is what it seems to have

731
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Speaker 4: been with Mayor Adams today. And one additional point I'll

732
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 4: say is that too often the style of leadership we've seen,

733
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Speaker 4: whether it's from Andrew Cuomo or Eric Adams, has been

734
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Speaker 4: to hire replicas of yourself, to hire people who with

735
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Speaker 4: whom you have one hundred percent agreement and who are

736
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Speaker 4: the quickest to say yes to any one of your ideas,

737
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Speaker 4: be they good or bad. I am not interested in

738
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Speaker 4: that style of leadership. I'm interested in a style of

739
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Speaker 4: leadership that understands that ultimately the buck stops with me,

740
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Speaker 4: and that I have to build a team that speaks

741
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Speaker 4: to a wide breath of opinion, of ideology and of

742
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 4: track record, that not everyone is going to look and

743
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 4: sound and be just like me, and that if I

744
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 4: want a DOT commissioner, all I need to agree with

745
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 4: them on is the vision for DOT, not HPD. And

746
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 4: if I want to hire a deputy mayor, they need

747
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 4: not agree with me on my thoughts on foreign policy.

748
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 4: They need only agree with their purview that they're being

749
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Speaker 4: hired for. Because it comes back to this notion that

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Speaker 4: I think Mayor Koch put it best, which is, if

751
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 4: you agree with me on nine out of twelve issues,

752
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 4: vote for me. If you agree with me on twelve

753
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Speaker 4: out of twelve, see a psychiatrist. And that speaks to

754
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Speaker 4: the need to have room for that disagreement and ultimately

755
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Speaker 4: be bound by that pursuit of excellence.

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Speaker 2: During the twenty sixteen presidential campaign, it was a Trump

757
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 2: supporter I'm looking up it was actually the founder of

758
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 2: Latinos for Trump who said that if Trump didn't win,

759
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 2: there would be taco trucks on every corner, which sounds

760
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Speaker 2: really good to me. You have also proposed neoliberalism for

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Speaker 2: halal cards, which I really like chicken over rice, so

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Speaker 2: I'd be very happy to see more of them and

763
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Speaker 2: be cheaper. But I'm curious how far you'd extend. So

764
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Speaker 2: reduce the permits make it easier to open up.

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Speaker 4: Increase the permits.

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Speaker 2: Oh, increase the number of permits, make it easier, therefore

767
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Speaker 2: to get.

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Speaker 3: It is true that the Hellal guys in Midtown, I

769
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Speaker 3: think the original one. You go by there in the

770
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Speaker 3: afternoon and the line stretches around the block. It's kind

771
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Speaker 3: of insane.

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Speaker 4: They used to say a chicken in every pot. I'm

773
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Speaker 4: saying a halal in every hand.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what about hotels. Their hotel prices are insanely expensive.

775
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Speaker 2: Airbnb is no longer legal. I know someone visiting the

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Speaker 2: city right now who had to get a place in

777
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Speaker 2: Jersey City because it's just too crazy. In New York,

778
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 2: it's insanely difficult to build a new hotel, apparently due

779
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 2: to opposition both from existing hotel owners to new hotels

780
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Speaker 2: for all reasons and the hotel worker unions. Do you

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Speaker 2: support liberalized in the same way that we need more

782
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Speaker 2: wolog cards? Would you support liberalization of hotel development in

783
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Speaker 2: New York City?

784
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Speaker 4: You know I am not as interested in the concerns

785
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 4: of existing hotel owners but I am very interested in

786
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Speaker 4: the concerns of hotel workers, and I think that that

787
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 4: is something that I would love to explore. Is there

788
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Speaker 4: a way to expand the number of hotels while ensuring

789
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Speaker 4: that we also retain the protections for those workers, because

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00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 4: so often we've seen this very fight, and it's going

791
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Speaker 4: to be one that will intensify in the next year.

792
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Speaker 4: There's contract renegotiations coming to a head during the World Cup,

793
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Speaker 4: where hotel owners have put hotel workers on the front

794
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 4: lines of so much of the work without giving them

795
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Speaker 4: the pay that is requisite for that. With Airbnb, one

796
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Speaker 4: of my concerns has been the transformation of what would

797
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Speaker 4: be housing into effectively small scale hotels and the proposal

798
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Speaker 4: that they're pushing I think they've currently they're putting I

799
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Speaker 4: think more than a million dollars into spending on local races.

800
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Speaker 4: Has the prospect of turning a double digit number of

801
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Speaker 4: one and two family homes, taking them off of the

802
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Speaker 4: market and making them these vacant units.

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Speaker 2: I'd just say Tracy, as someone who has lived in

804
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Speaker 2: multi family housing my entire life in New York City,

805
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Speaker 2: I'm not thrilled with Airbnb because I like to know

806
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Speaker 2: who the neighbors are in my building and sometimes you

807
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 2: get loud, noisy, crazy people. Anyway, keep going here.

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Speaker 3: I think that's a concern that a lot of people

809
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Speaker 3: will share. I have just one more question. It's the

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Speaker 3: most important and one. But you have a little experience

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Speaker 3: in Bollywood. I suppose I'm a big Bollywood fan. Everything

812
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Speaker 3: I look I know about cricket I learned from Lagan,

813
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 3: which is great film. Yeah, great film. Okay, So here's

814
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Speaker 3: my question, Amir Khan or Shower Khan. Cho's one.

815
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Speaker 4: Wow, Why why would you do this to me? Amir

816
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 4: Khan for my head? Chau Khan for my heart?

817
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that actually makes a lot of sense to me.

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00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 3: I think I would say a similar thing.

819
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Speaker 4: Well, you know, why didn't we spend the interview on

820
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 4: these questions?

821
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Speaker 3: Do a Bollywood episode.

822
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Speaker 4: I would love to do a Bollywood episode.

823
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Speaker 2: Wait for those who don't know what is the Bollywood.

824
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Speaker 4: So the bar's connection is that my mother, her name

825
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 4: is Mirra, and I are She is a filmmaker. She

826
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Speaker 4: is an Indian filmmaker who's made a number of films,

827
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Speaker 4: my favorite of which is Mississippi Masala and it's not

828
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Speaker 4: I actually.

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Speaker 3: Haven't seen that one. I saw Monsoon Wedding and that

830
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:51,280
Speaker 3: was great.

831
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Speaker 4: Great film, great film. You have to see missip Massala

832
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Speaker 4: because it's also the reason that I'm alive. She met

833
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 4: my father while researching for that film.

834
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Speaker 2: Huh soar and Mom, Donnie, thank you so much for

835
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Speaker 2: coming on the thrilled that we could make it happen.

836
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Speaker 4: Thank you so much, the pleasure to be.

837
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Speaker 2: Here, Tracy. If he wins, maybe he'll come back on.

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Speaker 2: We can do a Bollywood well we have, we'd have

839
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Speaker 2: a lots of other stuff to talk about, but I

840
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Speaker 2: would definitely, I would definitely. I don't know much about it.

841
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: I love Legon, so we should talk more about that. Sometimes.

842
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 3: I really love Bollywood movies. I need to catch Mississippi Massala.

843
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, I mean his mom.

844
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that was obviously a very interesting conversation. I

845
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 3: do think, you know, there's this sort of knee jerk

846
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 3: reaction against socialism in America for you know, reasons or reasons. Yeah,

847
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 3: but you know, examples of some of the stuff do exist,

848
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 3: and I think the b x's and the military commissaries

849
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 3: are a really good example of you know, we do

850
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Speaker 3: have subsidized groceries that exist in America, and why not

851
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 3: have them in New York.

852
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 2: I think a really key thing, which is there's this

853
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 2: bad cycle with the public provision of goods in the US,

854
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 2: which is just that people look at them and don't

855
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 2: think they're particularly well run, and then it's like now

856
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 2: you want to have more, and so it's like, you know,

857
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Speaker 2: like I said, I love the New York City Subway.

858
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 2: I take it every day. What I want a grocery

859
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 2: store that sort of resembles the New York City Subway.

860
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Speaker 2: Probably not. I'm not saying it would, but I'm saying

861
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Speaker 2: this is my experience interfacing with New York City public

862
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Speaker 2: goods when I want a grocery store that like resembles

863
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Speaker 2: the bathrooms at Tompkins Square Park or has similar No,

864
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Speaker 2: not at all. I mean, so I just feel like,

865
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Speaker 2: like it's fine. I love living in New York City.

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Speaker 2: I think these public provisions are great, and some of

867
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Speaker 2: them are absolutely incredible, like the libraries. But by and large,

868
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Speaker 2: I think that the tenders of public goods, for various reasons,

869
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Speaker 2: have not done a great job of like, no, these

870
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Speaker 2: are actually really good services.

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Speaker 3: That's fair, and obviously the government's core competency is probably

872
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 3: not running grocery stores right, Like they wouldn't have to.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't think. Yeah, they would have to.

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Speaker 3: Learn a lot in order to get up to speed.

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Speaker 3: But my point is, you know, the commissaries at military bases,

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Speaker 3: they're pretty good, like you can buy everything and service

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Speaker 3: is great. They still bag your groceries at least the

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Speaker 3: last time I was there, So examples do exist. All

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Speaker 3: I'm saying is it's possible for sure.

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Speaker 2: You know the other thing and obviously we only had

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Speaker 2: so much time. Is I'm really interested further in this

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Speaker 2: tension between Deregulation is good when it's small things like

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Speaker 2: a log card or a zorn recently didn't add, which

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Speaker 2: we didn't get around to talking about, how like, you know,

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Speaker 2: there should be make it easier for bodega owners and

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Speaker 2: you know, less regulations for them, which sounds great. I like,

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Speaker 2: I like all of my like the three local bodegas

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Speaker 2: within a forty five second walk from my apartment. It's great.

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Speaker 2: But why do those sort of basic principles of sort

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Speaker 2: of liberalizing the rules around X not then applied to

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Speaker 2: some of the bigger things such as hotels, which are

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Speaker 2: insanely expensive in New York or other areas like real estate,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. He did mention allowing more single family stairs,

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Speaker 2: so they're all the single family stare nerds on Twitter. Well,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure be very excited about that also, which we

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Speaker 2: talked about on episode once.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah we did. Yeah, all right, so this

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Speaker 3: is actually a.

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Speaker 2: Core It is a core Odd Lots episode.

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Speaker 3: Okay, shall we leave it there.

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Speaker 2: Let's leave it there.

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