Speaker 1: What's that at bed? It's spooky. Hey, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: it's dead. It's coming this way. Wait a minute, I said,
Speaker 1: I Nandez. P Hey boo, it's me Raz and welcome
Speaker 1: to Ghosted by Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I like
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Speaker 1: We're doing a listener phone call extravagonza. I have not
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Speaker 1: four amazing calls today and I'm just gonna keep it
Speaker 1: brief up top, let's get into it. The first one
Speaker 1: is Roy from Milwaukee, and Roy lived in a haunted
Speaker 1: house this is my favorite kind of story. Truly, if
Speaker 1: you have one like this in the sense that it's
Speaker 1: somebody moving into a place, all the things that happened,
Speaker 1: and then they moved out, that's my favorite head it. Roy.
Speaker 1: I am joined by Roy in Milwaukee. Hi Roy, Hello,
Speaker 1: Well Roy, what is this story? You lived in a
Speaker 1: haunted house?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm originally from Stephens Point, Wisconsin, and I was
Speaker 2: a town. I went to college there and when my
Speaker 2: friends is from Milwaukee herself, and she was going to
Speaker 2: move into the house with me. It's a double story house.
Speaker 2: We were living on the first floor. There was an
Speaker 2: upstairs in the basement. It's kind of important how you
Speaker 2: visualize this because one of my friends, Joanne, was living
Speaker 2: upstairs from us. Lisa and I were on the ground
Speaker 2: floor and then the basement. Joanne and Lisa were going
Speaker 2: to move in about a week after I was going
Speaker 2: to be there because they were taking the summer off,
Speaker 2: so I was there a week beforehand. When I moved in,
Speaker 2: I noticed that someone was living on the lights and
Speaker 2: turning off and on lights. Sometimes the doors would be
Speaker 2: locked or unlocked, depending upon where I was.
Speaker 1: And at this point, are you paying the electric bill
Speaker 1: to yes? Okay, that would piss me off.
Speaker 2: And it was very strange because I was thinking that
Speaker 2: Joanne either moved in beforehand or some so I'm like, oh, whatever.
Speaker 2: And on occasion i would hear someone going up and
Speaker 2: down the stairs and maybe it was Joanne like being
Speaker 2: there or whatever. And then Joanne called me a week
Speaker 2: afterwards or a weekend and she's all like, hey, Roy,
Speaker 2: I'm just letting you and I'm gonna be moving in
Speaker 2: and when is Lisa gonna move in? And I'm like,
Speaker 2: what do you mean You're not here already and she's
Speaker 2: like no. I'm like oh. Then I'm like, well, who
Speaker 2: was doing all this stuff like the lights and the
Speaker 2: stairs and the locks. Then Lisa calls and I'm like, hey, Lisa,
Speaker 2: I'm just letting you know something is up with our house.
Speaker 2: And she's like, what are you talking about? What are
Speaker 2: you talking about? And I'm like, well, things are happening.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if it's me or if I'm just
Speaker 2: you know, maybe it's just me, and I'm like, just
Speaker 2: be on the lookout. And she knows me and like
Speaker 2: I've had other experiences and she's like all right. So
Speaker 2: like we moved in and everything was fine until we
Speaker 2: had the housewarming party. Yeah, I dot. A month later
Speaker 2: we had people over at the house. Now, how the
Speaker 2: house is set up. You walk into our house and
Speaker 2: it's the kitchen, then Lisa's bedroom, the bathroom that we share,
Speaker 2: and then around the corner is my room and then
Speaker 2: the living room, so it's like a circle. Okay, So
Speaker 2: we're having a a housewarming party and my friend Tamera
Speaker 2: winds up in my room, you know, laying down my
Speaker 2: bedroom and talking and I'm like, hey, Tamor's stumbling there.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what's going on? And I'm like, the party's
Speaker 2: over here? And she's like, I'm just talking to those
Speaker 2: two guys by your bathroom door. And I look over there.
Speaker 2: I'm like, there's nobody there, a camera. What are you doing?
Speaker 2: And she's like, well, that's strange. One had overall his
Speaker 2: long blonde hair, and she described the other one wearing
Speaker 2: a suit and a hat. And she's like they left
Speaker 2: through the bathroom and I'm like, Tamra, there's there's literally
Speaker 2: no one else in here, like you're come on back
Speaker 2: to the party. And they thought nothing of it, right?
Speaker 1: Did you ask if they were hot?
Speaker 2: She said one of them was yeah, young farm hand type.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't and she goes the other one reminded her
Speaker 2: of a preacher. Yeah right, It's all very strange. People
Speaker 2: ask me like, why did you not move? And I
Speaker 2: was like, rent was cheap and it was a cool
Speaker 2: place to live. It was really nice. A year goes by,
Speaker 2: things are happening on occasion, like what, well, okay, we
Speaker 2: have like water spots on the kitchen floor that keep
Speaker 2: on appearing and disappearing, like we have to continue to
Speaker 2: wipe them off, and they're in different places every time,
Speaker 2: no explanation for that. Sometimes the cupboard doors would be
Speaker 2: open or closed. We would come home from like studying
Speaker 2: somewhere and some cupboards would be open. Random stuff like that.
Speaker 2: What really got us more concerned my roommate at the time, Lisa,
Speaker 2: her fan would whisper to her her name during the night,
Speaker 2: like she would hear someone talking like it was from
Speaker 2: the fan Lisa, Lisa, Lisa Lisa, over and over again.
Speaker 2: She would wake me up and I could hear her.
Speaker 2: She goes from the other room, she goes roy and
Speaker 2: I'd be woken up. I'm like yes, She's like, are
Speaker 2: you sleeping I'm like yes. She goes, you're not in
Speaker 2: my room. I'm like, no, I'm not in your room.
Speaker 2: She's like, okay, just checking stuff like that. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's kind of nuts. And then sometimes I would be
Speaker 2: sleeping and at least would have to wake me up
Speaker 2: again because she said I was talking in my sleep
Speaker 2: to people, specifically A Fred and a Janet. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: and she goes, you were talking to some people and
Speaker 2: you're yelling and I'm like, oh, sorry, I didn't know.
Speaker 1: And you have no memory of that.
Speaker 2: No, not at all.
Speaker 1: So are you guys like freaked out at this point?
Speaker 1: Are you just like whatever? It's just kind of weird
Speaker 1: and it's cheap. How are you feeling?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all very strange. Like I've had stuff happen
Speaker 2: with me before. And the thing is is, I've come
Speaker 2: to not respect ghosts or spirits, but I know that
Speaker 2: they don't mean ill harm usually, or at least I
Speaker 2: think they don't, because I think they're just going through
Speaker 2: stuff maybe, or they don't even though that we're there. Maybe.
Speaker 2: But up until that point, with Lisa's name and using
Speaker 2: me as a vessel basically to talk to them, I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: What's what's going on here? This is not usual stuff.
Speaker 2: It was more alerted, you know, it's more like what
Speaker 2: you know, there's an odd like feeling or if you like,
Speaker 2: send something, but this is like, this is like effing
Speaker 2: up our world a little bit. They're like what what?
Speaker 2: It was scary, but not to the point of like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, let's move.
Speaker 1: But also with Fred and Janet and the guys going
Speaker 1: into the bathroom, it almost is giving like portal vibes,
Speaker 1: Like it seems like what if your bathroom was a portal?
Speaker 2: Well, right, yeah, there's other stuff that went on, and
Speaker 2: it might explain something like that took the pinnacle, stuff
Speaker 2: that happened with us to get stuff acted more seriously.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I would go from one room to the other
Speaker 2: room and I'd see a figure in the corners.
Speaker 1: Sometimes what do you mean, like what kind of figure?
Speaker 2: Like I could see an image, an image, a shadow. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I would see this on occasion, especially when I'm going
Speaker 2: through from my room to the living room, so like, yeah,
Speaker 2: just hanging around basically in a corner. Do you figure
Speaker 2: like maybe it was a lamp or it looked like
Speaker 2: a lamp, but we don't have no lamp. There so
Speaker 2: like a look like that. And then we had to
Speaker 2: watch my mom's dog once and he would not go
Speaker 2: into my room and sit there and whine. So there
Speaker 2: was that that was fun. There was one time when
Speaker 2: I went to my bathroom she'd take a shower, and
Speaker 2: I thought that Lisa was home from studying early because
Speaker 2: I heard heard some stuff or whatever. Again, I closed
Speaker 2: my bathroom door, and there was a loud knock on
Speaker 2: the bathroom door after I closed it, and so I
Speaker 2: after I turned around and composed myself, I'm like, I'm
Speaker 2: going to have to open this door up because something
Speaker 2: is in behind it. I'm like, Lisa, are you there, Lisa?
Speaker 2: And when I finally got the courage to open it up,
Speaker 2: no one was there and her room was empty, and
Speaker 2: I looked on the bathroom door and they had towels hanging.
Speaker 2: So the only way that could be heard through the
Speaker 2: door is if they moved the towels and then there
Speaker 2: was a knock on the door.
Speaker 1: Okay, My current theory right now is that your shower
Speaker 1: was a portal, your shower or your toilet, and I
Speaker 1: would explain the wet drops, the wet footprints, or whatever
Speaker 1: it was that you were seeing, and that's somebody that
Speaker 1: was knocking on the door. That's like I'm trying to
Speaker 1: get in there because I'm trying to cross over. I
Speaker 1: am done in Milwaukee for now. I'm going back to
Speaker 1: the other side. Hurry up, it's my turn. And you're showering.
Speaker 1: That's what I think.
Speaker 2: You figure that. It's so nuts rise. I just can't
Speaker 2: what happened next. It was like something was ordained or
Speaker 2: was faded. This next thing prompted me to get help.
Speaker 2: And I didn't know. I didn't know it was going
Speaker 2: to be this. I was having a dream and I
Speaker 2: remember going through a plate glass window in my dream.
Speaker 2: In reality, my bedroom light above my head shattered and
Speaker 2: fell next to my head. It was then that I
Speaker 2: was like this could have done me harm, Like this
Speaker 2: is not fun anymore. Like it wasn't just like a
Speaker 2: haha ghost like oh you know this is lights are
Speaker 2: going on, I'm hearing stuff. Oh there's a shadow somewhere.
Speaker 2: This is like this is crazy, this is not good,
Speaker 2: Like this is actually like a wanting to do harm,
Speaker 2: Like what the hell is going on here? And the
Speaker 2: thing is is the marble that was holding my lamp
Speaker 2: above my bed on was still there. So the lamp
Speaker 2: where they've had to either crack before it fell or
Speaker 2: squeezed around that marble and then fell.
Speaker 1: Weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's like Nope. I'm actually getting chills just
Speaker 2: talking about it still, because I'm like, that's that's nuts.
Speaker 1: But you got so lucky that it missed you. I'm
Speaker 1: sure the ghosts were pissed, right, they're probably do you
Speaker 1: know how much power it took us to unscrew this
Speaker 1: right thing? And now it missed by just a few inches,
Speaker 1: damn it.
Speaker 2: I went to work that weekend and there was a
Speaker 2: local occult store that was in town and I always
Speaker 2: went in sensor like chat with the owner and stuff.
Speaker 2: For some reason, she's working at the shop. Call I
Speaker 2: was at. I've never saw her before in my store,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, there's a reason why she's here, right,
Speaker 2: So I go over to her and I said, Diane,
Speaker 2: I said, there's something going on at my house, and
Speaker 2: she stopped me. She's like, don't tell me anything. She's like,
Speaker 2: I have some friends coming down from Monaqua. There's five
Speaker 2: of us all together. We'll go to your house. Give
Speaker 2: me the address, and we'll find out what's going on.
Speaker 2: I said, fine, five psychics coming in. They could do
Speaker 2: some shit, right, I mean, we're going to be fine.
Speaker 2: I totally you said that. She's like, damn it, I'm working.
Speaker 2: And she was all like bummed because she's like, I
Speaker 2: want to be the psychics. I want to know what's
Speaker 2: going on with our house. And I'm like, well, these
Speaker 2: psychics come in. And Joanne and I were on the
Speaker 2: front porch waiting for them on a Sunday afternoon, and
Speaker 2: this was in nineteen ninety ninety three, ninety four, and
Speaker 2: they get out of the car and they just they
Speaker 2: all stand looking at the house. I go down on
Speaker 2: the lawn and I greet them, and then one by
Speaker 2: one they go up to the house. And they said
Speaker 2: to me, we were unable to see the house from
Speaker 2: the street because of all the energy. I'm like, great,
Speaker 2: that's awesome. We were living in the nexus or something
Speaker 2: like what. There was a Native American and he immediately
Speaker 2: took off his shoes and started walking around the house
Speaker 2: the perimeter of the house to get his energy around
Speaker 2: the people that were there. There's three women and two men.
Speaker 2: There's three spots to the house, and as much as
Speaker 2: you go down it gets worse, they said, and they
Speaker 2: termed it as worse. They said. The least amount of
Speaker 2: activity is upstairs where Juanne lives, which is weird because
Speaker 2: she did say that she had nothing happening up there.
Speaker 2: In fact, she was like, what are you guys doing
Speaker 2: down there? Like what's going on? My place is fine.
Speaker 2: We were going up the stairs and one of the
Speaker 2: women started to cry. She said, the little girl was
Speaker 2: falling up and down the stairs. She used to play
Speaker 2: here and she felt. She's not sure if she passed away,
Speaker 2: but she was having fun, but she were up and
Speaker 2: down the stairs constantly. To myself, that's probably what I
Speaker 2: heard when they first moved in, because I heard someone
Speaker 2: going up and down the stairs. We go upstairs and
Speaker 2: they said that there was an older spirit there and
Speaker 2: she couldn't talk or hear because she was older, and
Speaker 2: she couldn't do anything, but she knew something was going
Speaker 2: wrong in the house, but she was unable to talk,
Speaker 2: so there's not much activity there. They tried to move
Speaker 2: her along, like you can, you know, go on all
Speaker 2: this stuff. They don't know if they did, because she
Speaker 2: was really content where she was. Then they go down
Speaker 2: to where I live, Lisa, They hone in right away
Speaker 2: on my bedroom door in the bathroom, saying that was
Speaker 2: a focal point. Didn't say anything about it to them.
Speaker 2: They said that there was two gentlemen a year ago
Speaker 2: Tambra saw them in my bedroom. They explained them exactly
Speaker 2: how she did with the overall's long hair in the
Speaker 2: suit and a hat. They said that evidently they would
Speaker 2: torment the girl.
Speaker 3: Ow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And they said that what fills to them with
Speaker 2: the bathroom door is it used to be a downstairs
Speaker 2: stairs and it was a new bathroom because they probably
Speaker 2: an outhouse or something. It was an old farmhouse, so
Speaker 2: they probably converted that back into the bathroom. And then
Speaker 2: that was another way downstairs because they felt that there
Speaker 2: was a passage like what you said, the portal or
Speaker 2: something like. Maybe they thought it was still the stairs.
Speaker 2: And they said that they used to chase the girl downstairs,
Speaker 2: and this was a young girl and they would do
Speaker 2: stuff with her in the downstairs basement. This is why
Speaker 2: it was. So it got worse the further down they went.
Speaker 2: We went downstairs, They lasted about ten seconds before they
Speaker 2: all had leave. They felt so much discussed terror, emptiness.
Speaker 2: They said they couldn't do anything all five of them.
Speaker 2: They're like, we don't want to be here. Nope, nope,
Speaker 2: we're not going to do it.
Speaker 1: And what kind of stuff happened down there for you?
Speaker 2: And that was where our laundry was basically, and there
Speaker 2: was an old abandoned apartment. At one point there was
Speaker 2: a refrigerator and it moved from one part to the
Speaker 2: other part, and we didn't think anything of it, but
Speaker 2: like afterwards were like, maybe something was moving down there too.
Speaker 1: It moved the refrigerator from one side to the other.
Speaker 2: Right, like one day it was in the corner, one
Speaker 2: day it was in the middle of the room. We
Speaker 2: didn't really think anything of it, but like as things happened,
Speaker 2: we're like, well that is strange.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not normal.
Speaker 2: It's not normal. But you know, you put two into
Speaker 2: together and it's not until afterwards it's like that did happen.
Speaker 2: And they went back upstairs. Whereas they tried to move
Speaker 2: the ghosts along, they could not make them leave. They're like, well,
Speaker 2: they want to stay here. The girls tied to the
Speaker 2: place too, They're going to be here. All said well,
Speaker 2: thanks for thanks for coming.
Speaker 1: Thanks for terrifying met well.
Speaker 2: And then and confirming what you know, the men and
Speaker 2: everything was it was all right there. I just felt
Speaker 2: bad for Lisa because she missed it. She came home
Speaker 2: and she's like, what happened. I'm like, they tried to
Speaker 2: make them leave, but they didn't and I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, and she's like, well, I do have my
Speaker 2: wija board. That night, Lisa and I we lit some candles,
Speaker 2: we grounded ourselves, we got some positive energy. We weren't
Speaker 2: going as blindly. But I'm like, are you sure you
Speaker 2: want to do this, because like, we're tried to get
Speaker 2: these ghosts out and they don't want to leave. She goes,
Speaker 2: I want to find out about the girl, but I
Speaker 2: want to find out she's all right. Maybe we can
Speaker 2: get her to go and then maybe they'll follow. It
Speaker 2: took us until four o'clock in the morning. She got
Speaker 2: home around eleven. We're not sure we actually contacted her
Speaker 2: or not. She said through the board her name was
Speaker 2: Lucia and that she was constantly being watched and she
Speaker 2: kept on going in and out, and there was only
Speaker 2: so much she could tell us. They're watching me, I
Speaker 2: can't talk right now, stuff like that, and it finally
Speaker 2: ended around four o'clock. We were trying to like stay
Speaker 2: awake and get some answers right before I moved out
Speaker 2: of the house. Finally, after college ended, my friend Susie,
Speaker 2: another neighbor of ours, came over and she found an
Speaker 2: old picture of the farmhouse back in the day, and
Speaker 2: in the picture there was a long list of people
Speaker 2: there and on the bottom it said there was a
Speaker 2: Fred and a Janet in the picture. Yeah, and there
Speaker 2: was a little girl on top of the fence and
Speaker 2: her name was Lucy.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, this is like a perfect ghost story.
Speaker 2: I've been skeptical stuff too, like, oh, come on, really ghosts,
Speaker 2: but like when you actually are in it too.
Speaker 1: No, that's torment. I mean to have to worry about
Speaker 1: something falling on your head in the middle of the
Speaker 1: night and you never know when's going to come and go,
Speaker 1: and it's just that's no way to live. However, it
Speaker 1: is great for a podcast. So you ended up just
Speaker 1: moving out, right. Do you know if the ghosts stuck
Speaker 1: around or what?
Speaker 2: Okay, we asked the friends who were there before and
Speaker 2: the people afterwards. Nothing no stories, no wraps on the doors,
Speaker 2: no images, no objects, nothing, nothing at all. I don't
Speaker 2: know why they picked me and Lisa and Tamera saw them.
Speaker 2: You know, I have no idea, but nothing happened.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 2: I think that sometimes ghosts or spirits want to connect
Speaker 2: with us to tell their story, or they just don't
Speaker 2: know what's going on. I don't know what this was.
Speaker 1: There's no rhyme or reason. That's the thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: even if we think we have figured it out, like
Speaker 1: who really knows, there's so much mystery and that's the
Speaker 1: fun of it. That's why I like this stuff. I
Speaker 1: don't think it would be fun if we knew. I know, right, well, Roy,
Speaker 1: this has been great. Thank you so much for doing this.
Speaker 2: You're welcome.
Speaker 1: I am obsessed with Roy's story. I mean, the five
Speaker 1: psych GICs that were like, h you're on your own bye,
Speaker 1: so funny. I'm also obsessed with making this into a movie. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking Austin Butler as the male farm hand, Martin
Speaker 1: Short as the man in the suit, Danny DeVito as Fred.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking Rosie Perez is playing what was her name?
Speaker 1: Janet Jennifer Coolidge as the talking fan, and of course
Speaker 1: starring me as Lucia, the girl in the stairs. Okay,
Speaker 1: now you're not gonna believe this my next caller is
Speaker 1: also from the Milwaukee area. What are the chances? Here's
Speaker 1: Eleanor with a Poulter guist. Oh my god, I am
Speaker 1: joined by Milwaukee, Wisconsin's own Eleanor. Hello, Eleanor, Hi Riz Milwaukee,
Speaker 1: tell me about it. All I know about Milwaukee? Actually,
Speaker 1: I know a decent amount about Milwaukee. Isn't there There's
Speaker 1: been a couple of murderers.
Speaker 4: Oh, we got Jeffrey Dahmer.
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Dahmer.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, it geans a little bit further north. We've
Speaker 5: got Trixy's Bar.
Speaker 1: Trixie Mattel has a bar there. I believe Trixy's from there. Yep,
Speaker 1: Trixie Mattel and Jeffrey Dahmer.
Speaker 5: Yeah, We've got a lot of old stuff, lots of
Speaker 5: haunted buildings.
Speaker 1: So I don't know.
Speaker 5: I feel like everyone I've met Milwaukee has at least
Speaker 5: one ghost story or is like a third degree to
Speaker 5: Jeffrey Dahmer.
Speaker 1: So how many degrees are you from Jeffrey Dahmer.
Speaker 5: I'm a lot of them because I'm not actually from here. Oh, okay,
Speaker 5: I moved for college.
Speaker 1: So well, what has happened to you? In the paranormal sense?
Speaker 1: I hear there's a poltergeist story we could talk about.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I grew up in like a rural part of southwest Wisconsin.
Speaker 5: We got nothing but cows and farms and bars UFOs.
Speaker 5: I've never seen one, but I could see it happening
Speaker 5: out in all those cornfields we got plenty. I'm sure
Speaker 5: they're zooming around somewhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: But I grew up really close to Dubuke, Iowa, which
Speaker 5: is like right on the Mississippi River.
Speaker 4: It was like the nearest quote unquote city.
Speaker 5: I don't know if i'd really give Dubuke like a
Speaker 5: full city moniker myself, but it had a target and
Speaker 5: a movie theater, so we're like, oh my god, city.
Speaker 1: That's something.
Speaker 4: Does that count a little some something?
Speaker 5: And when I came out in high school, I started
Speaker 5: dating somebody who lived in Dubuque in like you know,
Speaker 5: one of those kind of bland Midwest mass created neighborhoods
Speaker 5: where all the houses are like pretty new, so you know,
Speaker 5: you assume you're like, oh, there's not gonna be a
Speaker 5: ghost here, Like this house was built in like two
Speaker 5: thousand and nine. Nothing's going to be here. That's how
Speaker 5: they get you, That is how they get you, the
Speaker 5: suburban gets you.
Speaker 1: Have you not seen paranormal activity?
Speaker 4: I know it should have been my first clue.
Speaker 5: There was a lot of clues amongst this relationship that
Speaker 5: maybe I should have like seen the signs. But their
Speaker 5: house was insanely haunted, almost from like the.
Speaker 4: First time that I slept over.
Speaker 5: There was fairly apparent that like something was happening in
Speaker 5: this like curated, nice Midwest home covered in crosses that
Speaker 5: like doors would swing open, like those flat handled doors
Speaker 5: where you can like watch it pull down, not just
Speaker 5: like a twisting up like flat handled doors that you'd
Speaker 5: watch push down and fly open and slam shut, like
Speaker 5: right in front of you, broad daylight, nothing happening, and
Speaker 5: you're the only person in the house, Like.
Speaker 1: Now did you bring this up? Were you like, hey,
Speaker 1: I think your place is haunted? Or did they tell
Speaker 1: you or what?
Speaker 5: So the setup of this like Boltergeist. The person I
Speaker 5: was dating and their brother were Irish twins, so they're like,
Speaker 5: you know, exactly like nine months apart, back to back,
Speaker 5: and they were a little bit older than me, so
Speaker 5: I'm the same age as their brother, and my best
Speaker 5: friend was dating their brother. So we were there a
Speaker 5: lot and all of us were kind of like, yeah,
Speaker 5: weird stuff keeps happening in the house.
Speaker 4: Like doors, and like there was just kind of that
Speaker 4: like ominous, heavy.
Speaker 5: Feeling, like you walk in and you're like, oh, like
Speaker 5: something is watching me, and something is not super pleased
Speaker 5: that we're here, and it's not pleased about what we're doing,
Speaker 5: and like it was just very apparent. And there was
Speaker 5: like certain rooms that weren't as bad, but like the
Speaker 5: hallways especially, like I remember having to pee in the
Speaker 5: middle of the night and being like, oh my god,
Speaker 5: I have to walk down the scary, scary hallway, like
Speaker 5: is it worth it?
Speaker 4: And the answer is.
Speaker 1: Like adult diapers.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well it's one of those things where you're like,
Speaker 5: oh god, Like it's the dread of having to like
Speaker 5: go out to that dark hallway where you like don't
Speaker 5: know what you're gonna see. And that was the feeling,
Speaker 5: like all the time the house was like I'm going
Speaker 5: to turn a corner and like what am I going
Speaker 5: to see? You just always felt like you were going
Speaker 5: to see something or like something was There.
Speaker 1: Was there a theory of what this was caused.
Speaker 5: By, So me and one of my friends went to
Speaker 5: like a psychic at some point at a debut convention
Speaker 5: like in a hotel with a water park, like a
Speaker 5: convention hall, and she almost immediately was like, you girls
Speaker 5: have seen something. She was like on it, and she's like,
Speaker 5: I think that you've experienced a poltergeist of someone you know.
Speaker 5: And we were like, oh my god, and this is
Speaker 5: after all, this like scary, scary stuff had happened. So
Speaker 5: our running theory is that my partner's brother was going
Speaker 5: through like a really intense addiction problem, like in and
Speaker 5: out of reha for a couple of years, a lot
Speaker 5: of like general like issues in their home space, and
Speaker 5: like within their family, it always felt like it was
Speaker 5: their brother also, like and multiple points would be like, oh, weird,
Speaker 5: Like it feels like he's in the room with us,
Speaker 5: even if he was like away, which is like, you know,
Speaker 5: kind of a spooky thing to convince yourself of, so
Speaker 5: you like talk yourself out of it.
Speaker 4: But there was this like one particular night of sleeping
Speaker 4: in their room.
Speaker 5: You know, because you get away with sleepovers when you're
Speaker 5: gay and you're in high school.
Speaker 4: It's just a normal sleepover.
Speaker 1: We're hanging out, Yeah, mom and dad, we're just gonna
Speaker 1: talk about boys and.
Speaker 4: We're just friends. Is fine. Oh my parents at the time,
Speaker 4: did did know?
Speaker 5: I think they were just like, well, well, we can't
Speaker 5: tell her she can't have sleepovers at all, because what
Speaker 5: will it do, you know? Right, I definitely got away
Speaker 5: with it for that reason, just them not wanting to
Speaker 5: push on it too much. But it wasn't super unusual
Speaker 5: for us to like be up super late, and that
Speaker 5: like especially wasn't unusual for him to like come into
Speaker 5: the bedroom and like kind of ask us to hang
Speaker 5: out if he was like having a really bad night
Speaker 5: or if he was feeling like he really wanted to
Speaker 5: use and like.
Speaker 4: Wanted to steer his mind somewhere else.
Speaker 5: So I remember like waking up and I'm I'm an
Speaker 5: inside of the bed person, so I'm like really close
Speaker 5: to the door, and I can like see it, like
Speaker 5: I'm on the wall parallel to the door, so it's
Speaker 5: going to like open, and I would see the full
Speaker 5: like backside of the door for wor to open, and
Speaker 5: it's open like just a crack for the cats coming
Speaker 5: in and out. And I distinctly remember like looking up
Speaker 5: hearing like tap tap knock, like a really quiet tentative
Speaker 5: don't want to disturb you kind of knock and looking
Speaker 5: up and seeing their brother in the like the crack
Speaker 5: of the door with just like the slightest sliver of
Speaker 5: light coming in from the like night light in the
Speaker 5: corner of their room and being like, Oh, it's just
Speaker 5: it's just him. He just wants to hang out. And
Speaker 5: I was kind of like, hey, it's two in the morning,
Speaker 5: I'm asleep, what do you want? And next to me,
Speaker 5: my partner kind of like shakes away a little bit.
Speaker 4: It is like who are you talking to?
Speaker 5: And I'm like, oh, your brother's here, and they're like,
Speaker 5: now he's not, because at the time their brother was
Speaker 5: in rehab like four states away, three states away, like
Speaker 5: hours away.
Speaker 4: My tired brain.
Speaker 5: Kind of shook off that like sleepiness. That was like, oh,
Speaker 5: I saw him. He was right there. And as I
Speaker 5: like thought about it more, I was like, oh, it
Speaker 5: did feel bad, Like it felt like his evil twin almost,
Speaker 5: and like now you see all those things about like doppelgangers,
Speaker 5: So it did kind of like really throw me off.
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, my god, did I see him?
Speaker 5: Was I imagining it? Did I see someone else? But
Speaker 5: like in my memory, it's just him with like a
Speaker 5: very vacant smile, just standing in the crap of the door,
Speaker 5: which was horrific. Like looking back, I remember after that
Speaker 5: like I would not sleep in the house like alone,
Speaker 5: because I used to house sit for their parents a lot,
Speaker 5: and I was like, well, I'm not sleeping here alone,
Speaker 5: and I for sure I'm not opening doors to little knocks.
Speaker 1: This is so interesting because I have talked to a
Speaker 1: number of people about this idea of a ghost of
Speaker 1: a living person and astral projection, and that's sort of
Speaker 1: a thing, but when you throw addiction into it, and
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm eight and a half years sober and
Speaker 1: I know a lot about addiction, and a lot of
Speaker 1: times when you're struggling with that, it's like you don't
Speaker 1: have control of yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now I don't know if what that has to do
Speaker 1: with your spirit or whatever, but it's like I could
Speaker 1: see that part of you being detached from your physical part.
Speaker 5: Of you absolutely, and the spirit seem to have very
Speaker 5: different like intentions for each of us who are in
Speaker 5: the house a lot, because it's a long time girlfriend
Speaker 5: and I were best friends and so like she was
Speaker 5: there a lot, like we were all friends.
Speaker 4: So even if he wasn't like she was there.
Speaker 5: And the ghost, to the poultrygeist, the spirit, whatever it was,
Speaker 5: did not fuck with her. It was like not happy
Speaker 5: with her when she was in the house, but it
Speaker 5: was always fine with me. It never apparently bothered their
Speaker 5: parents because they never once said anything to us about it.
Speaker 5: We were always kind of like kind of we're that
Speaker 5: door open, and they'd be like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it.
Speaker 5: Was like we pretend we do not see or they
Speaker 5: were very religious, so it could have also been the like,
Speaker 5: if it's not within this like realm we want to
Speaker 5: believe in, we're just gonna.
Speaker 4: Shut it out kind of thing.
Speaker 5: Or maybe because we were like younger because this was
Speaker 5: in like sixteen seventeen kind of range.
Speaker 1: Well, it kind of seems like it's his, that sneaky
Speaker 1: side of him or something, you know that maybe doesn't
Speaker 1: want the parents to see that side.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, just like a little like a tinge darker because
Speaker 5: it always was like it's him but off.
Speaker 4: Like I don't think any of us would ever.
Speaker 5: See it and would have been like, oh, he's really here,
Speaker 5: because it always felt like so ominous, all of the
Speaker 5: joy and all of like the interesting parts of him
Speaker 5: that like you could maybe feel more gravitated towards.
Speaker 4: It was like unsettling the thing with Poulter.
Speaker 1: Guys, It's like people, you know a lot of times
Speaker 1: associate that with like hormonal changes and yeah, lots of
Speaker 1: chaos in someone's life. It's sort of this telekinetic manifestation
Speaker 1: of some sort and I want it so bad. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm over here transitioning and they tell me that that's
Speaker 1: like second puberty, and I'm over here just like, how
Speaker 1: many hormones do I need to take until I can
Speaker 1: start lift? And shut up with my brain?
Speaker 4: Where is my polsergeist?
Speaker 1: I want to full on Matilda the shit, Like, I
Speaker 1: just want to sit on my couch just do all
Speaker 1: of my chores with my brain. I keep trying, trust me,
Speaker 1: I'm squeezing. I squeeze.
Speaker 4: You're like, I'm with for my shortstop. While I sit,
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, I would spook so many peop Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: growing stuff off shelves.
Speaker 1: I would do that, moving.
Speaker 4: Things slightly, just to freak them out.
Speaker 3: A little bit.
Speaker 1: Since my life has to always be like some kind
Speaker 1: of cheesy comedy or something. I would probably tie their
Speaker 1: shoelaces together, and then when they stand up, they trip.
Speaker 1: I'd be giving people wedgies. With my brain, I'd be
Speaker 1: doing all kinds of shit.
Speaker 5: It's interesting to mention shoelaces because whatever was in their
Speaker 5: house would also steal shoelaces. What I had just called
Speaker 5: my best friend who was his girlfriend, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be on a podcast and I talk about
Speaker 5: their house. And she was like, oh, bring up the
Speaker 5: shoelaces because I'm still pissed that it took all the shoelaces.
Speaker 5: And I was like, the shoelaces because I'm a slip
Speaker 5: on shoegirl, always have been hate telling a shoelace.
Speaker 4: So I was like, I never had shoelaces stolen, and she's.
Speaker 5: Like no, Like it would take the shoelaces out of
Speaker 5: our Doc Martins and like we would never find them.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, and Doc Martin's that's a long that's a
Speaker 1: laced up boot.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I was like, oh my god, I forgot
Speaker 5: about that because their mom would always blame it on
Speaker 5: the cats.
Speaker 4: They had seven cats, which is arguably too many cats.
Speaker 1: Yeah wow.
Speaker 5: And so it's pretty easy to be like yeah, yeah, no, no,
Speaker 5: the cats would steal the shoelaces. But then I think
Speaker 5: about my stupid son and if I could imagine him
Speaker 5: untying a shoelace, And the answer is now, I don't
Speaker 5: think he has the commitment, and I don't think any
Speaker 5: of their cats would have the commitment for like multiple shoelaces.
Speaker 4: And then she was like, no, don't you remember like
Speaker 4: we were in the basement that one.
Speaker 5: Day and we found a pile of shoelaces, And I
Speaker 5: was like, we did. We fully were in their basement
Speaker 5: once and just found like a small mound of like loose,
Speaker 5: single shoelaces.
Speaker 1: What was that all about?
Speaker 5: And so unless the cats were running a complicated operation,
Speaker 5: the ghost wanted our shoelaces. It was like, you guys,
Speaker 5: can't leave, or at very least, we're gonna like ruin
Speaker 5: your day.
Speaker 1: But was there other stuff happening? Like were there things moving?
Speaker 1: I know you said the doors.
Speaker 4: The doors would open and close a lot. The alarm clocks.
Speaker 5: Would synchronize every once in a while, and only ever
Speaker 5: if it was like just me and his girlfriend, like
Speaker 5: house sitting.
Speaker 1: What do you mean they would synchronize.
Speaker 4: Like they would all go off at the same time,
Speaker 4: usually like two in the.
Speaker 5: Morning, three in the morning, classic, you know, the spooky
Speaker 5: hour when it like has the best impact on you
Speaker 5: when you're alone in a big dark house and.
Speaker 4: You have to go run and turn them all off.
Speaker 1: Weird.
Speaker 5: We did have an instance where like we found child
Speaker 5: blocks set up in the basement with a message like
Speaker 5: they had been pulled out of a box and like
Speaker 5: place there. Specifically, we would find things in weird places, specifically,
Speaker 5: like his things when he wasn't there, Like his favorite
Speaker 5: lighter would be out and about when he was gone
Speaker 5: and there's like no one else who would have brought
Speaker 5: it out, or certain things that you had that he
Speaker 5: really liked every once in a while, like I had
Speaker 5: a T shirt go missing that I never found again,
Speaker 5: which could have been him taking it, who knows, but
Speaker 5: he claims he didn't.
Speaker 1: What was the message with the blocks.
Speaker 5: There was a point in time where he ended up
Speaker 5: overdosing and going to the hospital and was in intensive care,
Speaker 5: and I was the only person in the house, Like
Speaker 5: I got left there to mend the cats, hang out
Speaker 5: with them while they all went.
Speaker 4: Off to the hospital.
Speaker 5: And I was in the basement the day before. Nothing
Speaker 5: in the basement, nothing weird, normal. We went down two
Speaker 5: days later to get a board game to kind of
Speaker 5: like take our minds off of the chaos going on,
Speaker 5: and on a table at the base of the stairs
Speaker 5: that was like empty the day before, or at very
Speaker 5: least I hadn't noticed, which I find it hard to believe.
Speaker 5: I like wouldn't notice this because it was very obvious
Speaker 5: and very creepy. There's a set of blocks that said
Speaker 5: I see you, like just the letter I, the letter
Speaker 5: see and the letter you. And me and my friend
Speaker 5: who was with me who found it, were like, does
Speaker 5: it see us like visually or is it saying like
Speaker 5: it knew that he was in the ICU. We're not sure.
Speaker 5: Way horrible either direction. And that was I think like
Speaker 5: the last big thing that happened. It was like pretty
Speaker 5: soon after that that he came back and like truly
Speaker 5: did kind of get his life together a little bit
Speaker 5: and was doing a lot better. Me and his sibling
Speaker 5: ended up breaking up, like pretty pretty intensely, so like
Speaker 5: it wasn't a great relationship the entire time.
Speaker 4: So they're like not someone who's in my life anymore.
Speaker 5: I wish I could be like, hey, is your house
Speaker 5: still haunted.
Speaker 4: I'm so curious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like, I know, I've talked about this
Speaker 1: before with how people say addiction is you know your demons,
Speaker 1: And yeah, it definitely seems like a dark energy is
Speaker 1: taking over. I mean there's so much beyond just oh,
Speaker 1: you do a substance all the time, Like there's a
Speaker 1: lot of darkness that goes on with it and why
Speaker 1: you do it and what it's doing to you and whatever.
Speaker 1: And when you talk about that doppelganger thing, it's like
Speaker 1: that could be maybe the person's body the astral projection
Speaker 1: idea of their astral body leaving their physical body, but
Speaker 1: it could also be a doppelganger, which is a lot
Speaker 1: of times thought of as a dark spirit that is
Speaker 1: impersonating the person and surrounding their environment. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: yeah either, especially.
Speaker 4: At like sixteen too, a lot of big emotions. Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: Like I work with teenagers.
Speaker 1: Now, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 4: I like them.
Speaker 5: I don't know, there's something about him. I'm a substitute teacher,
Speaker 5: I work in the schools.
Speaker 4: I like them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear these ones are pretty good. I hear
Speaker 1: we figured out the right batch.
Speaker 4: I don't know about that.
Speaker 5: I think there's there's some quirks in there. But being
Speaker 5: I'm only twenty four, so it's like it's not like
Speaker 5: I'm half far removed, but I feel as though my
Speaker 5: frontal lobe has fused, more like I can feel it fusing.
Speaker 5: I talked as like sixteen fifteen year olds. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 5: you everything is the end of the world. You're very
Speaker 5: dramatic and they feel very deeply, which I enjoy working with.
Speaker 5: It's an interesting like thing to dip a toe back into.
Speaker 5: But I'm like, wow, I'm so glad that I have.
Speaker 4: A little bit more composure and sense about me than
Speaker 4: I did maybe when I was sixteen.
Speaker 1: Well, some of us are still there. Okay, we have
Speaker 1: a couple more minutes. Do you have any there's spooky
Speaker 1: stories or anything paranormal of that nature.
Speaker 5: I have a fun one. Oh, it's like partially sad,
Speaker 5: partially fun.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 5: My dad passed when I was sixteen, which is the
Speaker 5: sad part of the story. He passed very, very suddenly,
Speaker 5: and like none of us are really prepared.
Speaker 4: My family is my dad, my mom.
Speaker 5: And then I have two older sisters as well, and
Speaker 5: I'm the youngest, so I was the only one who
Speaker 5: still lived at home, and we had this like a
Speaker 5: full big house in the woods that my mom wanted
Speaker 5: to sell, mostly because she was like, your father picked
Speaker 5: the house and I am not mowing that goddamn yard,
Speaker 5: which is fair. It was a huge hill, I could
Speaker 5: see it. She was like, I don't want to live
Speaker 5: in the big house by myself. She needed to downsize.
Speaker 5: So when I was going off to college, we were
Speaker 5: trying to like get our house together and sell it.
Speaker 4: And at the time, we had a really old dog.
Speaker 4: She was very sweet. She had three legs.
Speaker 5: So my mom ended up taking a bedroom downstairs so
Speaker 5: she could like stay with the dog more so like
Speaker 5: they could like sleep together because they liked it.
Speaker 4: And so I ended up moving.
Speaker 5: Into their master bedroom that like last couple months I
Speaker 5: was there because we were redoing my hideous childhood room
Speaker 5: so the house is better to sell. And my mom
Speaker 5: was always complaining like those last couple of years, like
Speaker 5: the lights in her bathroom flickered all the time.
Speaker 4: She was like, we got to get fixed before we
Speaker 4: sell the house.
Speaker 5: Like every time I'm in there and I'm looking at
Speaker 5: the vanity, like the lights are flickering, and I was
Speaker 5: like Okay.
Speaker 4: Then I took over her room and I'm in that
Speaker 4: bathroom all the.
Speaker 5: Time, and I'm like, the lights never flicker for me,
Speaker 5: Like Mom's losing it, and she was like no, I swear,
Speaker 5: and we had an electrician out.
Speaker 4: I changed the light bulbs, like we tried everything.
Speaker 5: I like stood in there and like jumped, like trying
Speaker 5: to get them to flicker, being like, maybe what maybe
Speaker 5: it's like shaking in the house, Like what's triggering it.
Speaker 4: She's like, every time I take a shower, the lights flicker.
Speaker 5: I jokingly was like, maybe Dad just likes when you
Speaker 5: flash in the bathroom, Like maybe that's what it is.
Speaker 4: And then she was like, well, now I'm going to
Speaker 4: test it.
Speaker 5: And it was like only ever if my mom was
Speaker 5: in the bathroom did they flicker, Like no one else
Speaker 5: had this experience.
Speaker 1: Weird.
Speaker 5: So we're pretty convinced that he was haunting the bathroom.
Speaker 5: And now my mom in her new.
Speaker 4: House, is convinced that he is haunting her.
Speaker 5: Fire alarms, which I will say that they do do
Speaker 5: weird things, like we've changed the batteries, we've replaced them fully,
Speaker 5: like they do flash at times when they're not supposed to,
Speaker 5: and mostly in like reaction to things like when she's
Speaker 5: entering the room sometimes they'll flash, or like if she's
Speaker 5: having a really sad day, says that they flash more.
Speaker 5: And I was visiting with all my friends and you're
Speaker 5: staying there to go to a house in the Rock,
Speaker 5: which is a very cool attraction in Wisconsin.
Speaker 4: And I had my.
Speaker 5: New partner, who's like a much more serious, very like
Speaker 5: wonderful person in my life that unfortunately, like my dad,
Speaker 5: will never get to meet. And my mom wakes us
Speaker 5: up at like five thirty in the morning. It is
Speaker 5: like crack of dawn. She comes running into the room,
Speaker 5: freaks us both out. We're like, oh my god, hello,
Speaker 5: no knock, just enters and it's like it's doing it.
Speaker 5: The lights are going off. You have to come talk
Speaker 5: to your father. And I was like, oh okay, like
Speaker 5: go into her room. I'm like shuffling in there, half asleep,
Speaker 5: and she's like, look a look at the fire alarm
Speaker 5: and it's not doing anything. And I'm like, oh god,
Speaker 5: it's happening again. It's like the lights all over again.
Speaker 5: And she goes talk to it, talk to it, tell
Speaker 5: him something. And the first thing that popped into my
Speaker 5: brain was something that my dad said to me when
Speaker 5: I first came out, which was like, I don't care
Speaker 5: who you love. I don't care what you do in
Speaker 5: that realm, as long as you don't end up with
Speaker 5: a Bears fan. Unfortunately for him, I did end up
Speaker 5: with a very nice person whose family is from the
Speaker 5: South Side of Chicago and are Bears fans.
Speaker 1: Okay, so what happened when you said that?
Speaker 4: I was like, Hey, Dad, I'm going to marry a
Speaker 4: Bears fan.
Speaker 5: Immediate red light, like immediate red light flashing in the
Speaker 5: fire alarm that was previously doing nothing. I think that
Speaker 5: he's just kind of hanging around doing what he would
Speaker 5: have done in life, which is bullying me about wanting
Speaker 5: to marry a Bears fan and checking out my mom.
Speaker 4: Which fits his personality like very very well.
Speaker 1: Wait it says here he moves his urn and he's
Speaker 1: released butterflies in the house.
Speaker 5: So my dad was a big man, who's like six '
Speaker 5: to two, big guy, and when he died, because it
Speaker 5: was so sudden, we were like looking for urns. I
Speaker 5: don't know if you've had to buy like an urn,
Speaker 5: but they're ugly. They don't make them pretty. And my
Speaker 5: mom was like, oh, oh, I have a thing of
Speaker 5: the basement. She's very Midwest mom energy, and she was like,
Speaker 5: I have a cookie jar in the basement. She goes
Speaker 5: down to this like stack of pre presence that she
Speaker 5: keeps in case she has to give a gift to somebody,
Speaker 5: and it is like a decorative cookie jar that definitely
Speaker 5: says cookies, Like it clearly says cookies on one side,
Speaker 5: and so he lives in it. It's like sitting in
Speaker 5: her kitchen too currently in her new house. If we've
Speaker 5: always had it facing a wall so that like cookies
Speaker 5: faces the walls.
Speaker 4: People aren't like, oh my god, a cookie jar, like
Speaker 4: put their hand in it.
Speaker 5: But I swear every time I come home the cookie
Speaker 5: jar has like slightly rotated so that you can definitely
Speaker 5: see cookies. And when I was in high school it
Speaker 5: happened way more often. And I was like this, And
Speaker 5: he is a person who I'm like, oh, he would
Speaker 5: want somebody to shove their hand in the cookie jar
Speaker 5: and get nothing, but ash he'd think it was hilarious.
Speaker 1: That is hilarious. I would do that.
Speaker 5: It definitely like tracks for him that he would be like,
Speaker 5: he I'm a get them twist the cookie jar.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're giving me an idea for when
Speaker 1: I pass. I want to demand in my will that
Speaker 1: I'm putting a cookie jar.
Speaker 4: And then my mom has found those like little yellow butterflies.
Speaker 5: I don't know what they're called or if they have
Speaker 5: a special name, but there are those like really light,
Speaker 5: tiny yellow ones that you get kind of in like
Speaker 5: the early summer.
Speaker 4: She will find them.
Speaker 5: And we're in Wisconsin, so like winter meets business, and
Speaker 5: when it's winter it is like winter. She has more
Speaker 5: than once found them just sitting in her house in
Speaker 5: the middle of winter, like alive, like chillin', just floating around.
Speaker 4: The first one she.
Speaker 5: Found was right after we came back from the hospital
Speaker 5: because my grandfather, who is my dad's dad, died on
Speaker 5: the same day that my dad did two years after.
Speaker 4: Because I don't they wanted to be dramatic, I don't know.
Speaker 5: The timing of it felt very like on brand for
Speaker 5: them to be like, we're just gonna pick the same
Speaker 5: day it was.
Speaker 4: It was just such an odd coincidence.
Speaker 5: But we came home from all of that and my
Speaker 5: mom found like a perfect alive yellow butterfly just sitting
Speaker 5: in her kitchen. So now she keeps her eye ou
Speaker 5: for yellow butterflies because they just keep popping up in
Speaker 5: our house like the middle of winter.
Speaker 1: That's cute.
Speaker 5: Also, like a beautiful way to haunt. If you're gonna
Speaker 5: get haunted.
Speaker 1: I'll take that over the first story you told me.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: Definitely the difference between like bad haunting good haunting.
Speaker 1: Totally. Well, Eleanor, thank you. This has been wonderful. Thanks
Speaker 1: so much for doing this. Absolutely, thank you Eleanor for
Speaker 1: showing us the different kinds of experiences one can have
Speaker 1: with the other side. It can be dark, and it
Speaker 1: can be cute and fun. And I love to hear
Speaker 1: about stories that make me feel like when I pass,
Speaker 1: I can still be hilarious. Can you imagine me in
Speaker 1: a little cookie jar? Come get these cookies? Okay? Next
Speaker 1: up Dane from Toronto, who's gonna take us to an
Speaker 1: asylum and to gay PERI scare me, Dane. I am
Speaker 1: joined by Dane in the Toronto, Canada area. Hello Dane, Welcome.
Speaker 3: Hi Roz. Thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 1: Oh, thanks for doing this. So I was reading this
Speaker 1: email you sent me and it says here you went
Speaker 1: to a place called rolling Hills Asylum. What were you
Speaker 1: doing there?
Speaker 6: I mean, it wasn't probably my best moment, but I
Speaker 6: agreed to do this overnight ghost hunt and it's like
Speaker 6: a bit of a private tour. So why I decided
Speaker 6: that was a great idea, I don't know, but I
Speaker 6: have a good story out of it.
Speaker 1: So was it something where you like slept there or what?
Speaker 6: So they call it an overnight, but you're really not
Speaker 6: sleeping there. It's basically like they give you free reign
Speaker 6: of the place to sort of go through and explore
Speaker 6: and like do whatever you want, and you stay till
Speaker 6: like three am, So it's not really overnight, but you
Speaker 6: go there with the intention of sort of exploring and
Speaker 6: hoping for some type of ghost encounter.
Speaker 1: Okay, so how many people were you with?
Speaker 6: So I was with my best friend Jamie and then
Speaker 6: her friend Jill and her now ex husband.
Speaker 1: And were there like other people that bought a ticket
Speaker 1: to do this or was it just you guys?
Speaker 6: No, it's just us because it's sort of set up
Speaker 6: as like a private tour situation. So how it works
Speaker 6: is you show up and there's one person who works
Speaker 6: there to sort of meet you, and they take you
Speaker 6: around the facility and they sort of show you everything
Speaker 6: and then they just sort of like let you go,
Speaker 6: and then you just do whatever you want for the
Speaker 6: rest of the.
Speaker 1: Time, and then they just count their mind and an
Speaker 1: office somewhere and.
Speaker 3: Go suckers yep, pretty much.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're doing this thing.
Speaker 2: What happens.
Speaker 6: So this was probably let's say twelve thirty or so
Speaker 6: at night, and I had like this great idea. So
Speaker 6: we're not like professional like ghost explorers, like super interest
Speaker 6: in it, but like we really don't know what we're doing.
Speaker 6: And I thought it would be a brilliant idea to
Speaker 6: bring my iPad in a tripod and I was gonna
Speaker 6: like set it up and record and see if we
Speaker 6: would see anything. Right, So during the tour, there was
Speaker 6: this one place that they called Shadow Hallway and they
Speaker 6: say everyone always sees shadows moving around, going in between
Speaker 6: the rooms and all sorts of stuff like that.
Speaker 3: And I said, well, this is perfect. I'm goen it's
Speaker 3: set up my iPad.
Speaker 6: We're gonna go sort of walk around other places and
Speaker 6: then we'll come back and like check the footage and
Speaker 6: sort of see what happened.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 6: Needless to say, setting an iPad up in a dark hallway,
Speaker 6: like you're not getting anything but a black didn't think
Speaker 6: about that at the time, but so we set up
Speaker 6: the iPad.
Speaker 3: The three of us leave, so Jamie, Jill, and I leave.
Speaker 6: Jamie's husband at the time was just in this little
Speaker 6: base camp room like on the main level, just sort
Speaker 6: of hanging out. We're walking around the place. We come
Speaker 6: back to the hallway to go pick up the iPad, right,
Speaker 6: so I look, and we had flashlights and we're at
Speaker 6: one end of the hallway and I could see the
Speaker 6: beam of the flashlight hitting the back end of the hallway,
Speaker 6: but there's something that's sort of blocking it. There's something
Speaker 6: that's in between where I'm standing with the flashlight and
Speaker 6: the back wall. And it's not the iPad in the tripod,
Speaker 6: because that's sort of like on the left side of
Speaker 6: the hallway and this thing is sort of on the
Speaker 6: right side.
Speaker 3: So I'm looking.
Speaker 6: Closely trying to figure out what it is, and it's
Speaker 6: this black shape and it was really pitch black, like
Speaker 6: it was super dark, so the flashlight wasn't really illuminating it.
Speaker 6: It was sort of like the flashlight was going around
Speaker 6: it and you could see a border of what the
Speaker 6: shape looked like, and it was so dark it was
Speaker 6: it was almost like so black that it was like
Speaker 6: sucking in the light in that space, and the shape
Speaker 6: of it it sort of looked like a person was
Speaker 6: leaning out of one of the rooms. It sort of
Speaker 6: reminded me of do you remember do you ever watch
Speaker 6: Scooby Do and how they sort of like peek out
Speaker 6: of a doorway and they really like lean over.
Speaker 3: As they're sort of looking out. So it was sort
Speaker 3: of like that. So it was really like.
Speaker 6: Leaning out and you could see what looked to be
Speaker 6: an upper torso sort of shoulders ahead, and then what
Speaker 6: looked to be like very very long straight hair just
Speaker 6: sort of hanging down.
Speaker 1: Ah.
Speaker 6: Right, So I'm looking at it and I'm like, like,
Speaker 6: what is this. It probably happened in one or two seconds,
Speaker 6: but it felt like it was much much longer. Jamie
Speaker 6: was the first person to speak, so then she goes
Speaker 6: like what is that? And then Jill's like, I don't know,
Speaker 6: and I'm still looking. I still like can't even speak.
Speaker 6: And then all of a sudden and it just like
Speaker 6: popped back into the room and just disappeared, and at
Speaker 6: that moment, the light you could see like the full beams.
Speaker 6: You could tell that whatever was sort of in that
Speaker 6: space blocking passed back. So of course we argue, who's
Speaker 6: gonna go get the iPad because none of us wanted
Speaker 6: to like walk down the hallway now to go get it.
Speaker 6: So we all sort of like go over together. Then
Speaker 6: we're like, well, let's just make sure there's no one
Speaker 6: in the room, just in case, like Jamie's husband was
Speaker 6: doing something. So we go up, we all sort of
Speaker 6: like creep around, We go into the room, no one
Speaker 6: is in there. We then say, okay, let's just like
Speaker 6: go back to like base camp, look at the iPad,
Speaker 6: see if it caught anything. Of course, that's when we
Speaker 6: found out it got nothing. And I was talking to Jill.
Speaker 6: She's like, I was not prepared for seeing like that
Speaker 6: ring bullshit, she said. And I was like, wait a minute,
Speaker 6: what do you mean like ring bullshit? And she said, well,
Speaker 6: look like the girl from the ring with like this
Speaker 6: long straight hair. And up until this point we didn't
Speaker 6: actually compare notes about what we saw. We just all
Speaker 6: sort of agreed that we saw something. So when she
Speaker 6: said that, I was like, okay, I did not loosening
Speaker 6: this because I very distinctly saw what looked to be
Speaker 6: hair now, Jill saying it.
Speaker 3: So then we go and get Jamie and.
Speaker 6: We're like, describe what you saw, and she described exactly
Speaker 6: what I saw. So I don't know what it was,
Speaker 6: but whatever it was, I know that we all saw
Speaker 6: the same thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they need to make ponytail rubber bands for ghosts, right,
Speaker 1: because these girls love to have their hair just flowing
Speaker 1: down in front of their face, and I don't like that.
Speaker 1: As a person with long black hair, I don't like
Speaker 1: that version of representation in the afterlife. I like my
Speaker 1: hair out of my face, and I think it's less
Speaker 1: creepy unless they were doing like kind of you know,
Speaker 1: I've been known to do sort of like a sexy
Speaker 1: like I'll hang on to a doorway and I'll sort
Speaker 1: of cock my head to the side and I'll have
Speaker 1: my long hair just sort of like hanging all over
Speaker 1: to one side. Was it like that or was the
Speaker 1: hair like just over their face? I mean, you probably
Speaker 1: couldn't tell.
Speaker 6: It was almost flat in a sense, because like I
Speaker 6: couldn't make out any features just because of how dark
Speaker 6: it was. But it was like almost like a sheet
Speaker 6: of hair. There was no like sexiness going on. There
Speaker 6: was no like, oh, here's.
Speaker 1: My hair flat, no wind blowing in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it was.
Speaker 6: Very very like straight hair like there was no like
Speaker 6: wave or curl, like never picked up a curling iron,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 3: Like it was just all of the hair sort of together.
Speaker 1: One big solid mass. Oh that's too bad.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I do think they should give them
Speaker 6: like a little kit some things you could change up
Speaker 6: your look.
Speaker 3: You're not stuck.
Speaker 1: Also, like these ghosts probably live in their rooms. You know,
Speaker 1: there's all these different rooms in that building, and they're
Speaker 1: probably like, all right, who's here tonight? What kind of
Speaker 1: bullshit's gonna happen? Oh, these people have an iPad. Oh
Speaker 1: this is gonna be fun. Say that they're not going
Speaker 1: to record anything, Like, can you guys just keep it down,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to sleep in here, That's what I imagine.
Speaker 1: So was that sort of like the main thing that
Speaker 1: happened or did you guys have other things happen?
Speaker 6: There was other stuff that happened. But I feel like
Speaker 6: sometimes like I totally believe in ghosts, but sometimes I
Speaker 6: don't believe that I actually have experiences. So it's sort
Speaker 6: of this weird space but we were doing this thing
Speaker 6: with a mag light. You're supposed to turn it like
Speaker 6: you turn the top of it so it goes on
Speaker 6: and off. And if you turn it just to the
Speaker 6: point where it goes off, and then you sort of
Speaker 6: like bang it on your hand to make sure it's
Speaker 6: not going to turn back on, and then you just
Speaker 6: set it down. The thought is when you're talking to
Speaker 6: a ghost, they sort of put their energy in it,
Speaker 6: so it connects the circuit and then makes the light
Speaker 6: go on.
Speaker 1: Right, you can have it sort of just right where
Speaker 1: if you just touch it it'll turn on basically.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So we had that like in a few rooms
Speaker 6: and we're sort of like asking questions and the light
Speaker 6: would turn on and off. But again, it's just one
Speaker 6: of those things where I question, is there something else
Speaker 6: that's doing it?
Speaker 3: Is there not?
Speaker 6: Is there actually something here? But seeing that shadow was
Speaker 6: the main thing that we had seen that night.
Speaker 1: Well, you got your money's worth, right, So what happened
Speaker 1: to you? In Paris?
Speaker 6: I was on vacation with a boyfriend and we stayed
Speaker 6: in this airbnb and this was in the Opera Quarter
Speaker 6: sort of section. It was sort of like a studio
Speaker 6: apartment but there was a separate bedroom, but then everything
Speaker 6: else was in the main room, like living room.
Speaker 3: Shower, like everything else.
Speaker 6: At the time, I was in school, so I needed
Speaker 6: to meet with some classmates on a paper that we
Speaker 6: were working on. But of course, like for me, it
Speaker 6: was one am and it was much earlier for them.
Speaker 6: So my boyfriend was sleeping in the other room. I
Speaker 6: had the door closed, we met worked on the paper.
Speaker 6: I'm getting ready to go to bed, so I opened
Speaker 6: the door and I see my boyfriend's feet at the
Speaker 6: end of the bed on the right hand side, and
Speaker 6: then it looked like this thing in the shape of
Speaker 6: a person but sort of made out of like this
Speaker 6: smoke or mist, sitting at the end of the bed,
Speaker 6: and it looked like there was like an arm out
Speaker 6: like it was about to touch his feet or stroke
Speaker 6: his feet or something. And then I looked at it,
Speaker 6: and then it just sort of disappeared and evaporated. It
Speaker 6: was weird because at first, when I first saw it,
Speaker 6: I thought like something was on fire because it looked
Speaker 6: thick like a cigarette smoke. When I entered the room,
Speaker 6: it just slowly sort of faded away. But I didn't
Speaker 6: feel scared when I saw it for some reason, which
Speaker 6: is surprising because normally I would like scream, I just
Speaker 6: saw it and then it was gone, and then I
Speaker 6: was just like okay, so this happened, and then I
Speaker 6: just went to bed, which is so surprising because normally
Speaker 6: I would be afraid for ages.
Speaker 1: Did your boyfriend have anything to say about it.
Speaker 6: Well, he totally does not believe in ghosts, so he
Speaker 6: just thinks I hallucinated it.
Speaker 1: This is one of those situations where Okay, fine, maybe
Speaker 1: you didn't feel creeped out, but like that sounds like
Speaker 1: some creepy foot fetish ghost like person that died and
Speaker 1: now they come back looking like cigarette smoke and they're like, ooh,
Speaker 1: I'm going to touch whoever's feet are renting this place, right,
Speaker 1: And then you busted them.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and then it was like okay, fine, I'll have
Speaker 6: to go. The weird thing, too, is my boyfriend never
Speaker 6: sleeps with like his feet exposed, like out of the blanket,
Speaker 6: but for whatever reason, like that night, like his feet
Speaker 6: were actually out of the blanket like at the bottom,
Speaker 6: So like, I don't know if this ghost like took
Speaker 6: the blanket back.
Speaker 1: Yes, of course, I bet you that ghost took his
Speaker 1: little cigarette smoke fingers and did that thing where they
Speaker 1: kind of twiddled their finger two hands together like ooh,
Speaker 1: I got one right, and then they slowly took the
Speaker 1: sheet off and then they're like, here I go, I'm
Speaker 1: about to tickle these feet. And then you came in
Speaker 1: and they're.
Speaker 2: Like foot blocked.
Speaker 3: Right, I'll have as a foot blocker to a ghost.
Speaker 1: Damn well, Dane, this has been great.
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you.
Speaker 1: Thanks for sharing your stories with me. Ooh QE. That
Speaker 1: was weird, but thank you so much, Dane. Now my
Speaker 1: final caller, what are the chances of this? Now? Also
Speaker 1: from Toronto, here's Lisa with a whole bunch of different stories.
Speaker 1: Take it away, Lisa. I am now joined by Lisa
Speaker 1: in Toronto. Hi, Lisa Hiras, what the heck did you
Speaker 1: send my email? There's some spookin us here? Tell me
Speaker 1: what you got.
Speaker 7: Well, I guess it's this stream that I want to
Speaker 7: tell you about. And I know it's kind of silly
Speaker 7: to tell people about dreams. When I was thirteen or so,
Speaker 7: my grandpa passed away. In the last few years that
Speaker 7: I knew him. He wasn't able to speak very clearly,
Speaker 7: but he was always really happy to see me and
Speaker 7: my mom when we visited. So when he passed away,
Speaker 7: I went to his funeral with my mom and then
Speaker 7: we spent the night with my grandma. They slept in
Speaker 7: separate beds, my grandma and grandpa. That wasn't weird to
Speaker 7: me then, but it was kind of curious now in
Speaker 7: the same room or yeah, yeah, two double beds in
Speaker 7: the same room are about two feet apart.
Speaker 1: Okay, my grandparents did that too. Really, I think it
Speaker 1: was definitely a generational thing. Honestly, I'm meant to it
Speaker 1: like if I'm just sleeping and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: I feel a hand touched me, I of course assume
Speaker 1: that it's a dmon here to take me away, But okay,
Speaker 1: go on.
Speaker 7: So I slept in my grandpa's bed. I don't know
Speaker 7: why that was the choice. I could have slept on
Speaker 7: the couch, but I slapped in my grandpa's bed. I
Speaker 7: felt a little weird about it, but I did it
Speaker 7: because I was thirteen and I was told to. And
Speaker 7: that night I had a very vivid and intense dream.
Speaker 7: It really made an impression because I can still remember
Speaker 7: the overall feeling of it, and the feeling was of
Speaker 7: like fear and confusion, some horror. What I do remember
Speaker 7: specifically from the dream were these little people that were
Speaker 7: in the dream. They were like, like my son is
Speaker 7: too now. They're about the size of a two year old,
Speaker 7: but they had bigger heads and they just looked scary.
Speaker 7: They were childlike in shape, but very creepy faces. They
Speaker 7: were mean, and there were lots of them. And basically
Speaker 7: the dream culminated with the wall of the bedroom kind
Speaker 7: of getting blasted open, and then all of these little
Speaker 7: people started to jump out of the hole in the
Speaker 7: wall and they start to disappear. And while that's happening,
Speaker 7: I kind of wake up and I'm totally frozen and
Speaker 7: I can't move, but my body shaking. It was terrible cry.
Speaker 7: And then that kind of stops, it eases, and then
Speaker 7: I can sit up, and I'm like, well, that was
Speaker 7: really messed up. And so in the morning, I'm telling
Speaker 7: my mom about it.
Speaker 4: She's really shocked.
Speaker 7: But then she says the crazy thing, which is that
Speaker 7: my grandpa in his last days used to talk about
Speaker 7: little people in the house and that they would follow
Speaker 7: him around and they would move things, and they would
Speaker 7: pinch him and they would harass him. And he used
Speaker 7: to talk about that. Apparently I had never heard of it.
Speaker 1: Whoa. So it's like they were probably so used to
Speaker 1: entering whoever was in that bad dream state and they
Speaker 1: were like, wait, this isn't him. Let's get out of here.
Speaker 1: They like busted out of the home and maybe never
Speaker 1: came back.
Speaker 7: Yeah, maybe, yeah, because I remember that last moment of
Speaker 7: the dream, the whole and them disappearing through it, and
Speaker 7: I remember a feeling of oh yeah, they're going, yeah,
Speaker 7: this is super surreal.
Speaker 2: Whoa.
Speaker 7: And I've never really had a dream or that kind
Speaker 7: of sleep brollis this thing that people talk about. I've
Speaker 7: never experienced that before or since. So that was kind
Speaker 7: of wild.
Speaker 1: These little, tiny, little toddler demons were they like a
Speaker 1: little bit cute.
Speaker 7: Not even no, no, it was like check. It was
Speaker 7: like chucky ish, you know.
Speaker 1: Oh okay ooh tell me more, tell me more. Do
Speaker 1: you have other stories?
Speaker 7: I wanted to tell you about this island. So I
Speaker 7: grew up in Trinidad, and when I was eighteen or so,
Speaker 7: I was part of an environmental group and we did
Speaker 7: beach cleanups. So we used to go to this island
Speaker 7: off of Trinidad, a small island called Shaka Shikari, so
Speaker 7: it's completely uninhabited. In the past it had been a
Speaker 7: leper colony, so it was an abandoned leper colony.
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
Speaker 7: Now it's completely uninhabited. They're just like a few beaches.
Speaker 7: It's a dry island, so there's no fresh water, so
Speaker 7: there's not like anybody living there at all. The Coastguard
Speaker 7: would drop us off for a few days. We'd clean
Speaker 7: up the beaches and then they'd pick us up with
Speaker 7: all of our supplies and our garbage. On the island.
Speaker 7: As we approach, you'll see that there are three buildings.
Speaker 7: Is a very mountainous island, and so really there's three
Speaker 7: main buildings on the island that are all in a row.
Speaker 7: You see them up the mountain. So there's a church
Speaker 7: at the lowest level, in the middle vision nunnery, and
Speaker 7: then at the top there's a hospital.
Speaker 1: A nunnery, a church, a nunnery in a hospital. Okay,
Speaker 1: and they're just completely uninhabited at this point.
Speaker 7: Completely uninhabited.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they're like old colonial style buildings. And when we
Speaker 7: would go, we wouldn't go with tents and stuff. We'd
Speaker 7: go with our sleeping bags and stuff and stay in
Speaker 7: the buildings. So the first few times I went, we
Speaker 7: stayed in the hospital. The hospital had these huge wrap
Speaker 7: around verandas and we stay there because it's the highest
Speaker 7: building and you could see the entire island. You could
Speaker 7: see it opening up to the ocean. It was most
Speaker 7: beautiful view and you've got lots of breeze. That's why
Speaker 7: we used to camp there. We could stay in the
Speaker 7: front portion of that Varna. We could not walk deeper
Speaker 7: into the hospital because it was just eerie. It is
Speaker 7: to this day the most eerie place I've ever been.
Speaker 7: When I think about it. The only way I could
Speaker 7: describe it is thick, like you walk through it and
Speaker 7: you could just feel a weight. It was almost physical
Speaker 7: what you could feel. It was just so ominous. We
Speaker 7: hardly ever explored deeper, just like animal instinct, this definite
Speaker 7: sense that oh no, I should not be here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's probably so many people that suffered there, and
Speaker 1: they'd probably be excited to see some life around there,
Speaker 1: and they're probably lonely. It's probably a lot of loneliness,
Speaker 1: like both when they were living and now.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I could believe that. The other times we camped,
Speaker 7: we could stay it in the nunnery, which felt fine,
Speaker 7: that one was safe feeling. We'd never camped in the
Speaker 7: church because the church also felt a bit forbidding. I
Speaker 7: guess it's these places where people spend a lot of
Speaker 7: mental time. Maybe you know, I can invest a lot
Speaker 7: of spirit there. I'm not sure, but it did feel different,
Speaker 7: so we never camped there.
Speaker 1: Lissa, I am all about cleaning up the beaches. I
Speaker 1: would love to clean the beaches up. I don't use straws.
Speaker 1: You're not going to get me sleeping in an abandoned
Speaker 1: hospital on an island alone in a sleeping bag. No,
Speaker 1: that's where I draw the line. So good for you.
Speaker 7: Fair. Yeah, everyone who went had a healthy sense that whoa,
Speaker 7: this is weird. But also it was just extremely beautiful,
Speaker 7: so it had that going for it.
Speaker 1: I guess have you ever seen a ghost once?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 7: Tell me it was at my house where I grew up.
Speaker 7: There was a certain duration of time which kind of
Speaker 7: had a lot of activity in my house. I'm not
Speaker 7: super sure why. It was just a couple of years
Speaker 7: where if you were alone, you felt the temperature drop,
Speaker 7: you felt a person behind you. It was just a
Speaker 7: very unnerving period and it passed at some point, so
Speaker 7: I'm not really sure what I was about. I blame
Speaker 7: my brother. But one day when me and my brother's
Speaker 7: ex girlfriend were home alone, we're sitting in his bedroom
Speaker 7: and my bedroom faced his bedroom, so we were sitting
Speaker 7: in his bedroom and both of our doors were open,
Speaker 7: and so I'm chatting to his ex girlfriend, and then
Speaker 7: we both kind of see movement through the door. We
Speaker 7: look up and we see a young man, maybe nineteen
Speaker 7: or something, walk out of my bedroom and go down
Speaker 7: the hall. And we listen because we know we're home alone,
Speaker 7: no doors open, no one leaves the.
Speaker 4: House, nothing happens.
Speaker 1: We're like, what was that?
Speaker 7: But it was the craziest thing because this person did
Speaker 7: not look see through or anything. If if it wasn't
Speaker 7: completely silent, no footballs or anything, I would I would
Speaker 7: just think it was an intruder. But it wasn't.
Speaker 1: Lisa, let me just enough time has passed. Could you
Speaker 1: just be honest with me? Did you have a young
Speaker 1: man that you were hiding in your room and your
Speaker 1: brother's axe saw it and you just you still it
Speaker 1: was a ghost. It must have been a ghost, because
Speaker 1: you don't have to keep this story going.
Speaker 7: Oh, I wish I was not that resourceful a teenager.
Speaker 1: You know what is so crazy is I was just
Speaker 1: talking to another listener named Eleanor who had a story
Speaker 1: that was like kind of similar to this, surrounding teen
Speaker 1: age boy and seeing the ghost of that boy while
Speaker 1: they were still alive, like a doppelganger situation through the
Speaker 1: crack of a bedroom door in the house. WHOA How
Speaker 1: old was your brother at the time?
Speaker 7: He was in his late teens.
Speaker 1: Okay, A random haunting that just like pops up. It's
Speaker 1: like a little pop up comes in, does it sing
Speaker 1: and then move? I'm always so curious what can cause that?
Speaker 1: Some of the leading theories it could be like you're
Speaker 1: doing some renovation on the house and it stirs up
Speaker 1: old spirits, or like this, maybe it's like a poltergeist
Speaker 1: thing or something that's like more connected to living people
Speaker 1: and manifesting in these different ways. I want to know
Speaker 1: why it just happens.
Speaker 5: I think it had.
Speaker 7: To do with my brother because he was very into
Speaker 7: a lot of now I feel weird to say occult,
Speaker 7: but that was what he was into. Man. He called
Speaker 7: it that himself, right. He was like really exploring some
Speaker 7: of those things. He was really in dastual objections. Certain,
Speaker 7: I mean I was younger, I didn't really listen to everything.
Speaker 1: Did it look like him?
Speaker 7: No, it didn't.
Speaker 1: Didn't look like him.
Speaker 7: He thought it had to do with him. He said
Speaker 7: that he did rituals or prayers or something to kind
Speaker 7: of purify the space, and then that was when things
Speaker 7: kind of stopped happening in the house. So I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. A lot of times when people
Speaker 1: start dabbling in that they are learning, and there's a
Speaker 1: learning curve. I don't know. If you think of any
Speaker 1: practice you're gonna mess up or you're gonna do things
Speaker 1: as you're practicing and learning it, you know, it's possible
Speaker 1: that you could be like, oh shit, I just made
Speaker 1: my whole house haunted. Okay, figure out how to get
Speaker 1: out of this one.
Speaker 4: Oops.
Speaker 7: Sorry guys, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you so much to Roy, eleanor Dane and Lisa. Hey,
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