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Speaker 1: I am joined by Roy in Milwaukee. Hi Roy, Hello,

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Speaker 1: Well Roy, what is this story? You lived in a

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm originally from Stephens Point, Wisconsin, and I was

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Speaker 2: We were living on the first floor. There was an

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Speaker 1: And at this point, are you paying the electric bill

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Speaker 2: And it was very strange because I was thinking that

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Speaker 2: She said one of them was yeah, young farm hand type.

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Speaker 2: She goes from the other room, she goes roy and

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Speaker 1: So are you guys like freaked out at this point?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all very strange. Like I've had stuff happen

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Speaker 2: But up until that point, with Lisa's name and using

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Speaker 2: It was scary, but not to the point of like,

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Speaker 1: But also with Fred and Janet and the guys going

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Speaker 1: Like it seems like what if your bathroom was a portal?

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Speaker 2: Like I could see an image, an image, a shadow. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the other side. Hurry up, it's my turn. And you're showering.

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Speaker 2: And I didn't know. I didn't know it was going

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Speaker 2: thing is is the marble that was holding my lamp

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's like Nope. I'm actually getting chills just

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Speaker 1: sure the ghosts were pissed, right, they're probably do you

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Speaker 1: damn it.

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Speaker 2: I went to work that weekend and there was a

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Speaker 2: And then and confirming what you know, the men and

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, this is like a perfect ghost story.

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Speaker 2: I've been skeptical stuff too, like, oh, come on, really ghosts,

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Speaker 1: No, that's torment. I mean to have to worry about

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Speaker 2: Okay, we asked the friends who were there before and

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Speaker 2: You know, I have no idea, but nothing happened.

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Speaker 2: I think that sometimes ghosts or spirits want to connect

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Speaker 1: There's no rhyme or reason. That's the thing. I mean,

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Speaker 1: don't think it would be fun if we knew. I know, right, well, Roy,

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Speaker 2: You're welcome.

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Speaker 1: I am obsessed with Roy's story. I mean, the five

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking Austin Butler as the male farm hand, Martin

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking Rosie Perez is playing what was her name?

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Speaker 1: now you're not gonna believe this my next caller is

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Speaker 1: joined by Milwaukee, Wisconsin's own Eleanor. Hello, Eleanor, Hi Riz Milwaukee,

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Speaker 1: tell me about it. All I know about Milwaukee? Actually,

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Speaker 1: I know a decent amount about Milwaukee. Isn't there There's

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Speaker 4: Oh, we got Jeffrey Dahmer.

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Dahmer.

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Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, it geans a little bit further north. We've

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Speaker 1: Trixie Mattel has a bar there. I believe Trixy's from there. Yep,

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Speaker 1: Trixie Mattel and Jeffrey Dahmer.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, We've got a lot of old stuff, lots of

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Speaker 1: So I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I feel like everyone I've met Milwaukee has at least

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Speaker 5: Jeffrey Dahmer.

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Speaker 1: So how many degrees are you from Jeffrey Dahmer.

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Speaker 5: I'm a lot of them because I'm not actually from here. Oh, okay,

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Speaker 5: I moved for college.

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Speaker 1: So well, what has happened to you? In the paranormal sense?

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Speaker 1: I hear there's a poltergeist story we could talk about.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I grew up in like a rural part of southwest Wisconsin.

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Speaker 5: We got nothing but cows and farms and bars UFOs.

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Speaker 5: I've never seen one, but I could see it happening

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: But I grew up really close to Dubuke, Iowa, which

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Speaker 4: It was like the nearest quote unquote city.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if i'd really give Dubuke like a

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Speaker 1: That's something.

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Speaker 5: And when I came out in high school, I started

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Speaker 5: they get you, That is how they get you, the

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Speaker 1: Have you not seen paranormal activity?

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Speaker 4: I know it should have been my first clue.

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Speaker 4: First time that I slept over.

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Speaker 5: There was fairly apparent that like something was happening in

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Speaker 5: you're the only person in the house, Like.

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00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 1: Now did you bring this up? Were you like, hey,

433
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,960
Speaker 1: I think your place is haunted? Or did they tell

434
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 1: you or what?

435
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 5: So the setup of this like Boltergeist. The person I

436
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 5: was dating and their brother were Irish twins, so they're like,

437
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 5: you know, exactly like nine months apart, back to back,

438
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 5: and they were a little bit older than me, so

439
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,880
Speaker 5: I'm the same age as their brother, and my best

440
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 5: friend was dating their brother. So we were there a

441
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,879
Speaker 5: lot and all of us were kind of like, yeah,

442
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 5: weird stuff keeps happening in the house.

443
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,399
Speaker 4: Like doors, and like there was just kind of that

444
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:35,879
Speaker 4: like ominous, heavy.

445
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,439
Speaker 5: Feeling, like you walk in and you're like, oh, like

446
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 5: something is watching me, and something is not super pleased

447
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 5: that we're here, and it's not pleased about what we're doing,

448
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 5: and like it was just very apparent. And there was

449
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 5: like certain rooms that weren't as bad, but like the

450
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 5: hallways especially, like I remember having to pee in the

451
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 5: middle of the night and being like, oh my god,

452
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 5: I have to walk down the scary, scary hallway, like

453
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:00,080
Speaker 5: is it worth it?

454
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 4: And the answer is.

455
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 1: Like adult diapers.

456
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well it's one of those things where you're like,

457
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 5: oh god, Like it's the dread of having to like

458
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 5: go out to that dark hallway where you like don't

459
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 5: know what you're gonna see. And that was the feeling,

460
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 5: like all the time the house was like I'm going

461
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 5: to turn a corner and like what am I going

462
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 5: to see? You just always felt like you were going

463
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,640
Speaker 5: to see something or like something was There.

464
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: Was there a theory of what this was caused.

465
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 5: By, So me and one of my friends went to

466
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 5: like a psychic at some point at a debut convention

467
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,679
Speaker 5: like in a hotel with a water park, like a

468
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 5: convention hall, and she almost immediately was like, you girls

469
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 5: have seen something. She was like on it, and she's like,

470
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 5: I think that you've experienced a poltergeist of someone you know.

471
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 5: And we were like, oh my god, and this is

472
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 5: after all, this like scary, scary stuff had happened. So

473
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 5: our running theory is that my partner's brother was going

474
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,479
Speaker 5: through like a really intense addiction problem, like in and

475
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 5: out of reha for a couple of years, a lot

476
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 5: of like general like issues in their home space, and

477
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 5: like within their family, it always felt like it was

478
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 5: their brother also, like and multiple points would be like, oh, weird,

479
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 5: Like it feels like he's in the room with us,

480
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 5: even if he was like away, which is like, you know,

481
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 5: kind of a spooky thing to convince yourself of, so

482
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 5: you like talk yourself out of it.

483
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 4: But there was this like one particular night of sleeping

484
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 4: in their room.

485
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 5: You know, because you get away with sleepovers when you're

486
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 5: gay and you're in high school.

487
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 4: It's just a normal sleepover.

488
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 1: We're hanging out, Yeah, mom and dad, we're just gonna

489
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 1: talk about boys and.

490
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 4: We're just friends. Is fine. Oh my parents at the time,

491
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 4: did did know?

492
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 5: I think they were just like, well, well, we can't

493
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 5: tell her she can't have sleepovers at all, because what

494
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 5: will it do, you know? Right, I definitely got away

495
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 5: with it for that reason, just them not wanting to

496
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 5: push on it too much. But it wasn't super unusual

497
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 5: for us to like be up super late, and that

498
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 5: like especially wasn't unusual for him to like come into

499
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 5: the bedroom and like kind of ask us to hang

500
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 5: out if he was like having a really bad night

501
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 5: or if he was feeling like he really wanted to

502
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 5: use and like.

503
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 4: Wanted to steer his mind somewhere else.

504
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,199
Speaker 5: So I remember like waking up and I'm I'm an

505
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 5: inside of the bed person, so I'm like really close

506
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 5: to the door, and I can like see it, like

507
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 5: I'm on the wall parallel to the door, so it's

508
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 5: going to like open, and I would see the full

509
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 5: like backside of the door for wor to open, and

510
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 5: it's open like just a crack for the cats coming

511
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 5: in and out. And I distinctly remember like looking up

512
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 5: hearing like tap tap knock, like a really quiet tentative

513
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 5: don't want to disturb you kind of knock and looking

514
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 5: up and seeing their brother in the like the crack

515
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 5: of the door with just like the slightest sliver of

516
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 5: light coming in from the like night light in the

517
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 5: corner of their room and being like, Oh, it's just

518
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 5: it's just him. He just wants to hang out. And

519
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 5: I was kind of like, hey, it's two in the morning,

520
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 5: I'm asleep, what do you want? And next to me,

521
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 5: my partner kind of like shakes away a little bit.

522
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 4: It is like who are you talking to?

523
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 5: And I'm like, oh, your brother's here, and they're like,

524
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 5: now he's not, because at the time their brother was

525
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 5: in rehab like four states away, three states away, like

526
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 5: hours away.

527
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 4: My tired brain.

528
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 5: Kind of shook off that like sleepiness. That was like, oh,

529
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 5: I saw him. He was right there. And as I

530
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 5: like thought about it more, I was like, oh, it

531
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 5: did feel bad, Like it felt like his evil twin almost,

532
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 5: and like now you see all those things about like doppelgangers,

533
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 5: So it did kind of like really throw me off.

534
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, my god, did I see him?

535
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 5: Was I imagining it? Did I see someone else? But

536
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 5: like in my memory, it's just him with like a

537
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 5: very vacant smile, just standing in the crap of the door,

538
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 5: which was horrific. Like looking back, I remember after that

539
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,719
Speaker 5: like I would not sleep in the house like alone,

540
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 5: because I used to house sit for their parents a lot,

541
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 5: and I was like, well, I'm not sleeping here alone,

542
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 5: and I for sure I'm not opening doors to little knocks.

543
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: This is so interesting because I have talked to a

544
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 1: number of people about this idea of a ghost of

545
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: a living person and astral projection, and that's sort of

546
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: a thing, but when you throw addiction into it, and

547
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm eight and a half years sober and

548
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: I know a lot about addiction, and a lot of

549
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: times when you're struggling with that, it's like you don't

550
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: have control of yourself.

551
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

552
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,479
Speaker 1: Now I don't know if what that has to do

553
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: with your spirit or whatever, but it's like I could

554
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: see that part of you being detached from your physical part.

555
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 5: Of you absolutely, and the spirit seem to have very

556
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 5: different like intentions for each of us who are in

557
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 5: the house a lot, because it's a long time girlfriend

558
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 5: and I were best friends and so like she was

559
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 5: there a lot, like we were all friends.

560
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 4: So even if he wasn't like she was there.

561
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 5: And the ghost, to the poultrygeist, the spirit, whatever it was,

562
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 5: did not fuck with her. It was like not happy

563
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 5: with her when she was in the house, but it

564
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 5: was always fine with me. It never apparently bothered their

565
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 5: parents because they never once said anything to us about it.

566
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 5: We were always kind of like kind of we're that

567
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 5: door open, and they'd be like, what are you talking about?

568
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: Huh.

569
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 4: I don't know if it.

570
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 5: Was like we pretend we do not see or they

571
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 5: were very religious, so it could have also been the like,

572
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 5: if it's not within this like realm we want to

573
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 5: believe in, we're just gonna.

574
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 4: Shut it out kind of thing.

575
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 5: Or maybe because we were like younger because this was

576
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 5: in like sixteen seventeen kind of range.

577
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: Well, it kind of seems like it's his, that sneaky

578
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: side of him or something, you know that maybe doesn't

579
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: want the parents to see that side.

580
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 4: Yeah.

581
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 5: Absolutely, just like a little like a tinge darker because

582
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 5: it always was like it's him but off.

583
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 4: Like I don't think any of us would ever.

584
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 5: See it and would have been like, oh, he's really here,

585
00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 5: because it always felt like so ominous, all of the

586
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 5: joy and all of like the interesting parts of him

587
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 5: that like you could maybe feel more gravitated towards.

588
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 4: It was like unsettling the thing with Poulter.

589
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: Guys, It's like people, you know a lot of times

590
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: associate that with like hormonal changes and yeah, lots of

591
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: chaos in someone's life. It's sort of this telekinetic manifestation

592
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: of some sort and I want it so bad. Okay,

593
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: I'm over here transitioning and they tell me that that's

594
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: like second puberty, and I'm over here just like, how

595
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: many hormones do I need to take until I can

596
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: start lift? And shut up with my brain?

597
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 4: Where is my polsergeist?

598
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: I want to full on Matilda the shit, Like, I

599
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: just want to sit on my couch just do all

600
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: of my chores with my brain. I keep trying, trust me,

601
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: I'm squeezing. I squeeze.

602
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 4: You're like, I'm with for my shortstop. While I sit,

603
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, I would spook so many peop Oh yeah,

604
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 4: growing stuff off shelves.

605
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: I would do that, moving.

606
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 4: Things slightly, just to freak them out.

607
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 3: A little bit.

608
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: Since my life has to always be like some kind

609
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: of cheesy comedy or something. I would probably tie their

610
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: shoelaces together, and then when they stand up, they trip.

611
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: I'd be giving people wedgies. With my brain, I'd be

612
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: doing all kinds of shit.

613
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 5: It's interesting to mention shoelaces because whatever was in their

614
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 5: house would also steal shoelaces. What I had just called

615
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 5: my best friend who was his girlfriend, and I was like, oh,

616
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be on a podcast and I talk about

617
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 5: their house. And she was like, oh, bring up the

618
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 5: shoelaces because I'm still pissed that it took all the shoelaces.

619
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 5: And I was like, the shoelaces because I'm a slip

620
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 5: on shoegirl, always have been hate telling a shoelace.

621
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 4: So I was like, I never had shoelaces stolen, and she's.

622
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 5: Like no, Like it would take the shoelaces out of

623
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 5: our Doc Martins and like we would never find them.

624
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: Oh wow, and Doc Martin's that's a long that's a

625
00:30:58,720 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: laced up boot.

626
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I was like, oh my god, I forgot

627
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 5: about that because their mom would always blame it on

628
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 5: the cats.

629
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 4: They had seven cats, which is arguably too many cats.

630
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: Yeah wow.

631
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 5: And so it's pretty easy to be like yeah, yeah, no, no,

632
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 5: the cats would steal the shoelaces. But then I think

633
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 5: about my stupid son and if I could imagine him

634
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 5: untying a shoelace, And the answer is now, I don't

635
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 5: think he has the commitment, and I don't think any

636
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 5: of their cats would have the commitment for like multiple shoelaces.

637
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 4: And then she was like, no, don't you remember like

638
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 4: we were in the basement that one.

639
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 5: Day and we found a pile of shoelaces, And I

640
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 5: was like, we did. We fully were in their basement

641
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 5: once and just found like a small mound of like loose,

642
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 5: single shoelaces.

643
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: What was that all about?

644
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 5: And so unless the cats were running a complicated operation,

645
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 5: the ghost wanted our shoelaces. It was like, you guys,

646
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 5: can't leave, or at very least, we're gonna like ruin

647
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 5: your day.

648
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: But was there other stuff happening? Like were there things moving?

649
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: I know you said the doors.

650
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 4: The doors would open and close a lot. The alarm clocks.

651
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 5: Would synchronize every once in a while, and only ever

652
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 5: if it was like just me and his girlfriend, like

653
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 5: house sitting.

654
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: What do you mean they would synchronize.

655
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 4: Like they would all go off at the same time,

656
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 4: usually like two in the.

657
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 5: Morning, three in the morning, classic, you know, the spooky

658
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 5: hour when it like has the best impact on you

659
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 5: when you're alone in a big dark house and.

660
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 4: You have to go run and turn them all off.

661
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: Weird.

662
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 5: We did have an instance where like we found child

663
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 5: blocks set up in the basement with a message like

664
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 5: they had been pulled out of a box and like

665
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 5: place there. Specifically, we would find things in weird places, specifically,

666
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 5: like his things when he wasn't there, Like his favorite

667
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 5: lighter would be out and about when he was gone

668
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 5: and there's like no one else who would have brought

669
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 5: it out, or certain things that you had that he

670
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 5: really liked every once in a while, like I had

671
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 5: a T shirt go missing that I never found again,

672
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 5: which could have been him taking it, who knows, but

673
00:32:59,000 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 5: he claims he didn't.

674
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: What was the message with the blocks.

675
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 5: There was a point in time where he ended up

676
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 5: overdosing and going to the hospital and was in intensive care,

677
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 5: and I was the only person in the house, Like

678
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 5: I got left there to mend the cats, hang out

679
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 5: with them while they all went.

680
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 4: Off to the hospital.

681
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 5: And I was in the basement the day before. Nothing

682
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 5: in the basement, nothing weird, normal. We went down two

683
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 5: days later to get a board game to kind of

684
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 5: like take our minds off of the chaos going on,

685
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 5: and on a table at the base of the stairs

686
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 5: that was like empty the day before, or at very

687
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 5: least I hadn't noticed, which I find it hard to believe.

688
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 5: I like wouldn't notice this because it was very obvious

689
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 5: and very creepy. There's a set of blocks that said

690
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 5: I see you, like just the letter I, the letter

691
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 5: see and the letter you. And me and my friend

692
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 5: who was with me who found it, were like, does

693
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 5: it see us like visually or is it saying like

694
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 5: it knew that he was in the ICU. We're not sure.

695
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 5: Way horrible either direction. And that was I think like

696
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 5: the last big thing that happened. It was like pretty

697
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 5: soon after that that he came back and like truly

698
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 5: did kind of get his life together a little bit

699
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,280
Speaker 5: and was doing a lot better. Me and his sibling

700
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 5: ended up breaking up, like pretty pretty intensely, so like

701
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 5: it wasn't a great relationship the entire time.

702
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 4: So they're like not someone who's in my life anymore.

703
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 5: I wish I could be like, hey, is your house

704
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:30,240
Speaker 5: still haunted.

705
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 4: I'm so curious.

706
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like, I know, I've talked about this

707
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: before with how people say addiction is you know your demons,

708
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: And yeah, it definitely seems like a dark energy is

709
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 1: taking over. I mean there's so much beyond just oh,

710
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: you do a substance all the time, Like there's a

711
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 1: lot of darkness that goes on with it and why

712
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: you do it and what it's doing to you and whatever.

713
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: And when you talk about that doppelganger thing, it's like

714
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: that could be maybe the person's body the astral projection

715
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: idea of their astral body leaving their physical body, but

716
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: it could also be a doppelganger, which is a lot

717
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 1: of times thought of as a dark spirit that is

718
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: impersonating the person and surrounding their environment. And I don't know,

719
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: yeah either, especially.

720
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 4: At like sixteen too, a lot of big emotions. Oh yeah,

721
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 4: Like I work with teenagers.

722
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: Now, I'm so sorry.

723
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:34,959
Speaker 4: I like them.

724
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 5: I don't know, there's something about him. I'm a substitute teacher,

725
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 5: I work in the schools.

726
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 4: I like them.

727
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear these ones are pretty good. I hear

728
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: we figured out the right batch.

729
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 4: I don't know about that.

730
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,919
Speaker 5: I think there's there's some quirks in there. But being

731
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 5: I'm only twenty four, so it's like it's not like

732
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 5: I'm half far removed, but I feel as though my

733
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 5: frontal lobe has fused, more like I can feel it fusing.

734
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 5: I talked as like sixteen fifteen year olds. I'm like, oh,

735
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 5: you everything is the end of the world. You're very

736
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 5: dramatic and they feel very deeply, which I enjoy working with.

737
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 5: It's an interesting like thing to dip a toe back into.

738
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 5: But I'm like, wow, I'm so glad that I have.

739
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 4: A little bit more composure and sense about me than

740
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 4: I did maybe when I was sixteen.

741
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: Well, some of us are still there. Okay, we have

742
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: a couple more minutes. Do you have any there's spooky

743
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: stories or anything paranormal of that nature.

744
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 5: I have a fun one. Oh, it's like partially sad,

745
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 5: partially fun.

746
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: Okay.

747
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 5: My dad passed when I was sixteen, which is the

748
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,240
Speaker 5: sad part of the story. He passed very, very suddenly,

749
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 5: and like none of us are really prepared.

750
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 4: My family is my dad, my mom.

751
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 5: And then I have two older sisters as well, and

752
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 5: I'm the youngest, so I was the only one who

753
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 5: still lived at home, and we had this like a

754
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 5: full big house in the woods that my mom wanted

755
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 5: to sell, mostly because she was like, your father picked

756
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 5: the house and I am not mowing that goddamn yard,

757
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 5: which is fair. It was a huge hill, I could

758
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 5: see it. She was like, I don't want to live

759
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 5: in the big house by myself. She needed to downsize.

760
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 5: So when I was going off to college, we were

761
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 5: trying to like get our house together and sell it.

762
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 4: And at the time, we had a really old dog.

763
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 4: She was very sweet. She had three legs.

764
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 5: So my mom ended up taking a bedroom downstairs so

765
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 5: she could like stay with the dog more so like

766
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 5: they could like sleep together because they liked it.

767
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 4: And so I ended up moving.

768
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 5: Into their master bedroom that like last couple months I

769
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 5: was there because we were redoing my hideous childhood room

770
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 5: so the house is better to sell. And my mom

771
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 5: was always complaining like those last couple of years, like

772
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 5: the lights in her bathroom flickered all the time.

773
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 4: She was like, we got to get fixed before we

774
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 4: sell the house.

775
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 5: Like every time I'm in there and I'm looking at

776
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 5: the vanity, like the lights are flickering, and I was

777
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 5: like Okay.

778
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 4: Then I took over her room and I'm in that

779
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 4: bathroom all the.

780
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 5: Time, and I'm like, the lights never flicker for me,

781
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 5: Like Mom's losing it, and she was like no, I swear,

782
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 5: and we had an electrician out.

783
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 4: I changed the light bulbs, like we tried everything.

784
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 5: I like stood in there and like jumped, like trying

785
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 5: to get them to flicker, being like, maybe what maybe

786
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 5: it's like shaking in the house, Like what's triggering it.

787
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 4: She's like, every time I take a shower, the lights flicker.

788
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 5: I jokingly was like, maybe Dad just likes when you

789
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 5: flash in the bathroom, Like maybe that's what it is.

790
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 4: And then she was like, well, now I'm going to

791
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 4: test it.

792
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 5: And it was like only ever if my mom was

793
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 5: in the bathroom did they flicker, Like no one else

794
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 5: had this experience.

795
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: Weird.

796
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 5: So we're pretty convinced that he was haunting the bathroom.

797
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 5: And now my mom in her new.

798
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 4: House, is convinced that he is haunting her.

799
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 5: Fire alarms, which I will say that they do do

800
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 5: weird things, like we've changed the batteries, we've replaced them fully,

801
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 5: like they do flash at times when they're not supposed to,

802
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 5: and mostly in like reaction to things like when she's

803
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 5: entering the room sometimes they'll flash, or like if she's

804
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 5: having a really sad day, says that they flash more.

805
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 5: And I was visiting with all my friends and you're

806
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 5: staying there to go to a house in the Rock,

807
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 5: which is a very cool attraction in Wisconsin.

808
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 4: And I had my.

809
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 5: New partner, who's like a much more serious, very like

810
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,919
Speaker 5: wonderful person in my life that unfortunately, like my dad,

811
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 5: will never get to meet. And my mom wakes us

812
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 5: up at like five thirty in the morning. It is

813
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 5: like crack of dawn. She comes running into the room,

814
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 5: freaks us both out. We're like, oh my god, hello,

815
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 5: no knock, just enters and it's like it's doing it.

816
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 5: The lights are going off. You have to come talk

817
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 5: to your father. And I was like, oh okay, like

818
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 5: go into her room. I'm like shuffling in there, half asleep,

819
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 5: and she's like, look a look at the fire alarm

820
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 5: and it's not doing anything. And I'm like, oh god,

821
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 5: it's happening again. It's like the lights all over again.

822
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 5: And she goes talk to it, talk to it, tell

823
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 5: him something. And the first thing that popped into my

824
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 5: brain was something that my dad said to me when

825
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 5: I first came out, which was like, I don't care

826
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 5: who you love. I don't care what you do in

827
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 5: that realm, as long as you don't end up with

828
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 5: a Bears fan. Unfortunately for him, I did end up

829
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 5: with a very nice person whose family is from the

830
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 5: South Side of Chicago and are Bears fans.

831
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: Okay, so what happened when you said that?

832
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 4: I was like, Hey, Dad, I'm going to marry a

833
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:19,479
Speaker 4: Bears fan.

834
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,439
Speaker 5: Immediate red light, like immediate red light flashing in the

835
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 5: fire alarm that was previously doing nothing. I think that

836
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 5: he's just kind of hanging around doing what he would

837
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 5: have done in life, which is bullying me about wanting

838
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 5: to marry a Bears fan and checking out my mom.

839
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 4: Which fits his personality like very very well.

840
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: Wait it says here he moves his urn and he's

841
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,720
Speaker 1: released butterflies in the house.

842
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 5: So my dad was a big man, who's like six '

843
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 5: to two, big guy, and when he died, because it

844
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 5: was so sudden, we were like looking for urns. I

845
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 5: don't know if you've had to buy like an urn,

846
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 5: but they're ugly. They don't make them pretty. And my

847
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 5: mom was like, oh, oh, I have a thing of

848
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 5: the basement. She's very Midwest mom energy, and she was like,

849
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 5: I have a cookie jar in the basement. She goes

850
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 5: down to this like stack of pre presence that she

851
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 5: keeps in case she has to give a gift to somebody,

852
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 5: and it is like a decorative cookie jar that definitely

853
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 5: says cookies, Like it clearly says cookies on one side,

854
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 5: and so he lives in it. It's like sitting in

855
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 5: her kitchen too currently in her new house. If we've

856
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 5: always had it facing a wall so that like cookies

857
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:32,240
Speaker 5: faces the walls.

858
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 4: People aren't like, oh my god, a cookie jar, like

859
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 4: put their hand in it.

860
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 5: But I swear every time I come home the cookie

861
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 5: jar has like slightly rotated so that you can definitely

862
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 5: see cookies. And when I was in high school it

863
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 5: happened way more often. And I was like this, And

864
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 5: he is a person who I'm like, oh, he would

865
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 5: want somebody to shove their hand in the cookie jar

866
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 5: and get nothing, but ash he'd think it was hilarious.

867
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 1: That is hilarious. I would do that.

868
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 5: It definitely like tracks for him that he would be like,

869
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 5: he I'm a get them twist the cookie jar.

870
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're giving me an idea for when

871
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: I pass. I want to demand in my will that

872
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: I'm putting a cookie jar.

873
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,399
Speaker 4: And then my mom has found those like little yellow butterflies.

874
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 5: I don't know what they're called or if they have

875
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 5: a special name, but there are those like really light,

876
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 5: tiny yellow ones that you get kind of in like

877
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 5: the early summer.

878
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 4: She will find them.

879
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 5: And we're in Wisconsin, so like winter meets business, and

880
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 5: when it's winter it is like winter. She has more

881
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 5: than once found them just sitting in her house in

882
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 5: the middle of winter, like alive, like chillin', just floating around.

883
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 4: The first one she.

884
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 5: Found was right after we came back from the hospital

885
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 5: because my grandfather, who is my dad's dad, died on

886
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 5: the same day that my dad did two years after.

887
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 4: Because I don't they wanted to be dramatic, I don't know.

888
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 5: The timing of it felt very like on brand for

889
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 5: them to be like, we're just gonna pick the same

890
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 5: day it was.

891
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 4: It was just such an odd coincidence.

892
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 5: But we came home from all of that and my

893
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:07,240
Speaker 5: mom found like a perfect alive yellow butterfly just sitting

894
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 5: in her kitchen. So now she keeps her eye ou

895
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 5: for yellow butterflies because they just keep popping up in

896
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 5: our house like the middle of winter.

897
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: That's cute.

898
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 5: Also, like a beautiful way to haunt. If you're gonna

899
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 5: get haunted.

900
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: I'll take that over the first story you told me.

901
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

902
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 5: Definitely the difference between like bad haunting good haunting.

903
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: Totally. Well, Eleanor, thank you. This has been wonderful. Thanks

904
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: so much for doing this. Absolutely, thank you Eleanor for

905
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: showing us the different kinds of experiences one can have

906
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: with the other side. It can be dark, and it

907
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: can be cute and fun. And I love to hear

908
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: about stories that make me feel like when I pass,

909
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 1: I can still be hilarious. Can you imagine me in

910
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 1: a little cookie jar? Come get these cookies? Okay? Next

911
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: up Dane from Toronto, who's gonna take us to an

912
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: asylum and to gay PERI scare me, Dane. I am

913
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:30,240
Speaker 1: joined by Dane in the Toronto, Canada area. Hello Dane, Welcome.

914
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 3: Hi Roz. Thanks so much for having me.

915
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: Oh, thanks for doing this. So I was reading this

916
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: email you sent me and it says here you went

917
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: to a place called rolling Hills Asylum. What were you

918
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:45,720
Speaker 1: doing there?

919
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 6: I mean, it wasn't probably my best moment, but I

920
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 6: agreed to do this overnight ghost hunt and it's like

921
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 6: a bit of a private tour. So why I decided

922
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 6: that was a great idea, I don't know, but I

923
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 6: have a good story out of it.

924
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: So was it something where you like slept there or what?

925
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 6: So they call it an overnight, but you're really not

926
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 6: sleeping there. It's basically like they give you free reign

927
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 6: of the place to sort of go through and explore

928
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 6: and like do whatever you want, and you stay till

929
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 6: like three am, So it's not really overnight, but you

930
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 6: go there with the intention of sort of exploring and

931
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 6: hoping for some type of ghost encounter.

932
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: Okay, so how many people were you with?

933
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 6: So I was with my best friend Jamie and then

934
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 6: her friend Jill and her now ex husband.

935
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 1: And were there like other people that bought a ticket

936
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: to do this or was it just you guys?

937
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 6: No, it's just us because it's sort of set up

938
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 6: as like a private tour situation. So how it works

939
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 6: is you show up and there's one person who works

940
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 6: there to sort of meet you, and they take you

941
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 6: around the facility and they sort of show you everything

942
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 6: and then they just sort of like let you go,

943
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 6: and then you just do whatever you want for the

944
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 6: rest of the.

945
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: Time, and then they just count their mind and an

946
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: office somewhere and.

947
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 3: Go suckers yep, pretty much.

948
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're doing this thing.

949
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 2: What happens.

950
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 6: So this was probably let's say twelve thirty or so

951
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 6: at night, and I had like this great idea. So

952
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 6: we're not like professional like ghost explorers, like super interest

953
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 6: in it, but like we really don't know what we're doing.

954
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 6: And I thought it would be a brilliant idea to

955
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,919
Speaker 6: bring my iPad in a tripod and I was gonna

956
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 6: like set it up and record and see if we

957
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 6: would see anything. Right, So during the tour, there was

958
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 6: this one place that they called Shadow Hallway and they

959
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 6: say everyone always sees shadows moving around, going in between

960
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 6: the rooms and all sorts of stuff like that.

961
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 3: And I said, well, this is perfect. I'm goen it's

962
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 3: set up my iPad.

963
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 6: We're gonna go sort of walk around other places and

964
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 6: then we'll come back and like check the footage and

965
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 6: sort of see what happened.

966
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 2: Now.

967
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 6: Needless to say, setting an iPad up in a dark hallway,

968
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 6: like you're not getting anything but a black didn't think

969
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 6: about that at the time, but so we set up

970
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 6: the iPad.

971
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 3: The three of us leave, so Jamie, Jill, and I leave.

972
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,760
Speaker 6: Jamie's husband at the time was just in this little

973
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,439
Speaker 6: base camp room like on the main level, just sort

974
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 6: of hanging out. We're walking around the place. We come

975
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 6: back to the hallway to go pick up the iPad, right,

976
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 6: so I look, and we had flashlights and we're at

977
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 6: one end of the hallway and I could see the

978
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 6: beam of the flashlight hitting the back end of the hallway,

979
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 6: but there's something that's sort of blocking it. There's something

980
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:37,439
Speaker 6: that's in between where I'm standing with the flashlight and

981
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 6: the back wall. And it's not the iPad in the tripod,

982
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 6: because that's sort of like on the left side of

983
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 6: the hallway and this thing is sort of on the

984
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 6: right side.

985
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 3: So I'm looking.

986
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 6: Closely trying to figure out what it is, and it's

987
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 6: this black shape and it was really pitch black, like

988
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 6: it was super dark, so the flashlight wasn't really illuminating it.

989
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 6: It was sort of like the flashlight was going around

990
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 6: it and you could see a border of what the

991
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 6: shape looked like, and it was so dark it was

992
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 6: it was almost like so black that it was like

993
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 6: sucking in the light in that space, and the shape

994
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 6: of it it sort of looked like a person was

995
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 6: leaning out of one of the rooms. It sort of

996
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 6: reminded me of do you remember do you ever watch

997
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 6: Scooby Do and how they sort of like peek out

998
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 6: of a doorway and they really like lean over.

999
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 3: As they're sort of looking out. So it was sort

1000
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 3: of like that. So it was really like.

1001
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 6: Leaning out and you could see what looked to be

1002
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 6: an upper torso sort of shoulders ahead, and then what

1003
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 6: looked to be like very very long straight hair just

1004
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 6: sort of hanging down.

1005
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: Ah.

1006
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 6: Right, So I'm looking at it and I'm like, like,

1007
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 6: what is this. It probably happened in one or two seconds,

1008
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 6: but it felt like it was much much longer. Jamie

1009
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 6: was the first person to speak, so then she goes

1010
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 6: like what is that? And then Jill's like, I don't know,

1011
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 6: and I'm still looking. I still like can't even speak.

1012
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 6: And then all of a sudden and it just like

1013
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 6: popped back into the room and just disappeared, and at

1014
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 6: that moment, the light you could see like the full beams.

1015
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 6: You could tell that whatever was sort of in that

1016
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 6: space blocking passed back. So of course we argue, who's

1017
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 6: gonna go get the iPad because none of us wanted

1018
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 6: to like walk down the hallway now to go get it.

1019
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 6: So we all sort of like go over together. Then

1020
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 6: we're like, well, let's just make sure there's no one

1021
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 6: in the room, just in case, like Jamie's husband was

1022
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 6: doing something. So we go up, we all sort of

1023
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 6: like creep around, We go into the room, no one

1024
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 6: is in there. We then say, okay, let's just like

1025
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 6: go back to like base camp, look at the iPad,

1026
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 6: see if it caught anything. Of course, that's when we

1027
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 6: found out it got nothing. And I was talking to Jill.

1028
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 6: She's like, I was not prepared for seeing like that

1029
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 6: ring bullshit, she said. And I was like, wait a minute,

1030
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 6: what do you mean like ring bullshit? And she said, well,

1031
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 6: look like the girl from the ring with like this

1032
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,760
Speaker 6: long straight hair. And up until this point we didn't

1033
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 6: actually compare notes about what we saw. We just all

1034
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 6: sort of agreed that we saw something. So when she

1035
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 6: said that, I was like, okay, I did not loosening

1036
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 6: this because I very distinctly saw what looked to be

1037
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 6: hair now, Jill saying it.

1038
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 3: So then we go and get Jamie and.

1039
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 6: We're like, describe what you saw, and she described exactly

1040
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 6: what I saw. So I don't know what it was,

1041
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 6: but whatever it was, I know that we all saw

1042
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 6: the same thing.

1043
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, they need to make ponytail rubber bands for ghosts, right,

1044
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: because these girls love to have their hair just flowing

1045
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: down in front of their face, and I don't like that.

1046
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: As a person with long black hair, I don't like

1047
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: that version of representation in the afterlife. I like my

1048
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 1: hair out of my face, and I think it's less

1049
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: creepy unless they were doing like kind of you know,

1050
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: I've been known to do sort of like a sexy

1051
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: like I'll hang on to a doorway and I'll sort

1052
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: of cock my head to the side and I'll have

1053
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: my long hair just sort of like hanging all over

1054
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: to one side. Was it like that or was the

1055
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: hair like just over their face? I mean, you probably

1056
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: couldn't tell.

1057
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 6: It was almost flat in a sense, because like I

1058
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 6: couldn't make out any features just because of how dark

1059
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 6: it was. But it was like almost like a sheet

1060
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 6: of hair. There was no like sexiness going on. There

1061
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:19,879
Speaker 6: was no like, oh, here's.

1062
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: My hair flat, no wind blowing in.

1063
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it was.

1064
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 6: Very very like straight hair like there was no like

1065
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,240
Speaker 6: wave or curl, like never picked up a curling iron,

1066
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 6: you know.

1067
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 3: Like it was just all of the hair sort of together.

1068
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: One big solid mass. Oh that's too bad.

1069
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I do think they should give them

1070
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 6: like a little kit some things you could change up

1071
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 6: your look.

1072
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:44,760
Speaker 3: You're not stuck.

1073
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: Also, like these ghosts probably live in their rooms. You know,

1074
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: there's all these different rooms in that building, and they're

1075
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 1: probably like, all right, who's here tonight? What kind of

1076
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,879
Speaker 1: bullshit's gonna happen? Oh, these people have an iPad. Oh

1077
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 1: this is gonna be fun. Say that they're not going

1078
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: to record anything, Like, can you guys just keep it down,

1079
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: I'm trying to sleep in here, That's what I imagine.

1080
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 1: So was that sort of like the main thing that

1081
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: happened or did you guys have other things happen?

1082
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 6: There was other stuff that happened. But I feel like

1083
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 6: sometimes like I totally believe in ghosts, but sometimes I

1084
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 6: don't believe that I actually have experiences. So it's sort

1085
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 6: of this weird space but we were doing this thing

1086
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 6: with a mag light. You're supposed to turn it like

1087
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 6: you turn the top of it so it goes on

1088
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 6: and off. And if you turn it just to the

1089
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 6: point where it goes off, and then you sort of

1090
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 6: like bang it on your hand to make sure it's

1091
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 6: not going to turn back on, and then you just

1092
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 6: set it down. The thought is when you're talking to

1093
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 6: a ghost, they sort of put their energy in it,

1094
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 6: so it connects the circuit and then makes the light

1095
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 6: go on.

1096
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: Right, you can have it sort of just right where

1097
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 1: if you just touch it it'll turn on basically.

1098
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1099
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,879
Speaker 6: Yeah, So we had that like in a few rooms

1100
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 6: and we're sort of like asking questions and the light

1101
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 6: would turn on and off. But again, it's just one

1102
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 6: of those things where I question, is there something else

1103
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 6: that's doing it?

1104
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 3: Is there not?

1105
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 6: Is there actually something here? But seeing that shadow was

1106
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,919
Speaker 6: the main thing that we had seen that night.

1107
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: Well, you got your money's worth, right, So what happened

1108
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: to you? In Paris?

1109
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 6: I was on vacation with a boyfriend and we stayed

1110
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 6: in this airbnb and this was in the Opera Quarter

1111
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 6: sort of section. It was sort of like a studio

1112
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 6: apartment but there was a separate bedroom, but then everything

1113
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 6: else was in the main room, like living room.

1114
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 3: Shower, like everything else.

1115
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 6: At the time, I was in school, so I needed

1116
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 6: to meet with some classmates on a paper that we

1117
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 6: were working on. But of course, like for me, it

1118
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 6: was one am and it was much earlier for them.

1119
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 6: So my boyfriend was sleeping in the other room. I

1120
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 6: had the door closed, we met worked on the paper.

1121
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 6: I'm getting ready to go to bed, so I opened

1122
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 6: the door and I see my boyfriend's feet at the

1123
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 6: end of the bed on the right hand side, and

1124
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 6: then it looked like this thing in the shape of

1125
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 6: a person but sort of made out of like this

1126
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 6: smoke or mist, sitting at the end of the bed,

1127
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 6: and it looked like there was like an arm out

1128
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 6: like it was about to touch his feet or stroke

1129
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 6: his feet or something. And then I looked at it,

1130
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 6: and then it just sort of disappeared and evaporated. It

1131
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 6: was weird because at first, when I first saw it,

1132
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 6: I thought like something was on fire because it looked

1133
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 6: thick like a cigarette smoke. When I entered the room,

1134
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 6: it just slowly sort of faded away. But I didn't

1135
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 6: feel scared when I saw it for some reason, which

1136
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 6: is surprising because normally I would like scream, I just

1137
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 6: saw it and then it was gone, and then I

1138
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 6: was just like okay, so this happened, and then I

1139
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 6: just went to bed, which is so surprising because normally

1140
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:57,720
Speaker 6: I would be afraid for ages.

1141
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 1: Did your boyfriend have anything to say about it.

1142
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 6: Well, he totally does not believe in ghosts, so he

1143
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 6: just thinks I hallucinated it.

1144
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: This is one of those situations where Okay, fine, maybe

1145
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: you didn't feel creeped out, but like that sounds like

1146
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: some creepy foot fetish ghost like person that died and

1147
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: now they come back looking like cigarette smoke and they're like, ooh,

1148
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:22,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to touch whoever's feet are renting this place, right,

1149
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: And then you busted them.

1150
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, and then it was like okay, fine, I'll have

1151
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 6: to go. The weird thing, too, is my boyfriend never

1152
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 6: sleeps with like his feet exposed, like out of the blanket,

1153
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 6: but for whatever reason, like that night, like his feet

1154
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,720
Speaker 6: were actually out of the blanket like at the bottom,

1155
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 6: So like, I don't know if this ghost like took

1156
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:42,399
Speaker 6: the blanket back.

1157
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 1: Yes, of course, I bet you that ghost took his

1158
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: little cigarette smoke fingers and did that thing where they

1159
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,959
Speaker 1: kind of twiddled their finger two hands together like ooh,

1160
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: I got one right, and then they slowly took the

1161
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 1: sheet off and then they're like, here I go, I'm

1162
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 1: about to tickle these feet. And then you came in

1163
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: and they're.

1164
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 2: Like foot blocked.

1165
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 3: Right, I'll have as a foot blocker to a ghost.

1166
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 1: Damn well, Dane, this has been great.

1167
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you.

1168
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: Thanks for sharing your stories with me. Ooh QE. That

1169
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: was weird, but thank you so much, Dane. Now my

1170
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: final caller, what are the chances of this? Now? Also

1171
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: from Toronto, here's Lisa with a whole bunch of different stories.

1172
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: Take it away, Lisa. I am now joined by Lisa

1173
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: in Toronto. Hi, Lisa Hiras, what the heck did you

1174
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 1: send my email? There's some spookin us here? Tell me

1175
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:57,760
Speaker 1: what you got.

1176
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 7: Well, I guess it's this stream that I want to

1177
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 7: tell you about. And I know it's kind of silly

1178
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 7: to tell people about dreams. When I was thirteen or so,

1179
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 7: my grandpa passed away. In the last few years that

1180
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 7: I knew him. He wasn't able to speak very clearly,

1181
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 7: but he was always really happy to see me and

1182
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 7: my mom when we visited. So when he passed away,

1183
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 7: I went to his funeral with my mom and then

1184
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 7: we spent the night with my grandma. They slept in

1185
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 7: separate beds, my grandma and grandpa. That wasn't weird to

1186
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 7: me then, but it was kind of curious now in

1187
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 7: the same room or yeah, yeah, two double beds in

1188
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 7: the same room are about two feet apart.

1189
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: Okay, my grandparents did that too. Really, I think it

1190
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: was definitely a generational thing. Honestly, I'm meant to it

1191
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: like if I'm just sleeping and all of a sudden

1192
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 1: I feel a hand touched me, I of course assume

1193
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: that it's a dmon here to take me away, But okay,

1194
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: go on.

1195
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 7: So I slept in my grandpa's bed. I don't know

1196
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 7: why that was the choice. I could have slept on

1197
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 7: the couch, but I slapped in my grandpa's bed. I

1198
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 7: felt a little weird about it, but I did it

1199
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 7: because I was thirteen and I was told to. And

1200
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 7: that night I had a very vivid and intense dream.

1201
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 7: It really made an impression because I can still remember

1202
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 7: the overall feeling of it, and the feeling was of

1203
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 7: like fear and confusion, some horror. What I do remember

1204
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 7: specifically from the dream were these little people that were

1205
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 7: in the dream. They were like, like my son is

1206
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 7: too now. They're about the size of a two year old,

1207
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 7: but they had bigger heads and they just looked scary.

1208
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 7: They were childlike in shape, but very creepy faces. They

1209
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 7: were mean, and there were lots of them. And basically

1210
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 7: the dream culminated with the wall of the bedroom kind

1211
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 7: of getting blasted open, and then all of these little

1212
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 7: people started to jump out of the hole in the

1213
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 7: wall and they start to disappear. And while that's happening,

1214
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 7: I kind of wake up and I'm totally frozen and

1215
00:58:56,080 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 7: I can't move, but my body shaking. It was terrible cry.

1216
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 7: And then that kind of stops, it eases, and then

1217
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 7: I can sit up, and I'm like, well, that was

1218
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:10,439
Speaker 7: really messed up. And so in the morning, I'm telling

1219
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 7: my mom about it.

1220
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 4: She's really shocked.

1221
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:15,919
Speaker 7: But then she says the crazy thing, which is that

1222
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 7: my grandpa in his last days used to talk about

1223
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 7: little people in the house and that they would follow

1224
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 7: him around and they would move things, and they would

1225
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 7: pinch him and they would harass him. And he used

1226
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 7: to talk about that. Apparently I had never heard of it.

1227
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: Whoa. So it's like they were probably so used to

1228
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 1: entering whoever was in that bad dream state and they

1229
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: were like, wait, this isn't him. Let's get out of here.

1230
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 1: They like busted out of the home and maybe never

1231
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: came back.

1232
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, maybe, yeah, because I remember that last moment of

1233
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 7: the dream, the whole and them disappearing through it, and

1234
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:56,439
Speaker 7: I remember a feeling of oh yeah, they're going, yeah,

1235
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 7: this is super surreal.

1236
00:59:57,880 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 2: Whoa.

1237
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 7: And I've never really had a dream or that kind

1238
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 7: of sleep brollis this thing that people talk about. I've

1239
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 7: never experienced that before or since. So that was kind

1240
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 7: of wild.

1241
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: These little, tiny, little toddler demons were they like a

1242
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: little bit cute.

1243
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 7: Not even no, no, it was like check. It was

1244
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 7: like chucky ish, you know.

1245
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 1: Oh okay ooh tell me more, tell me more. Do

1246
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 1: you have other stories?

1247
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 7: I wanted to tell you about this island. So I

1248
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 7: grew up in Trinidad, and when I was eighteen or so,

1249
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 7: I was part of an environmental group and we did

1250
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 7: beach cleanups. So we used to go to this island

1251
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 7: off of Trinidad, a small island called Shaka Shikari, so

1252
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 7: it's completely uninhabited. In the past it had been a

1253
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 7: leper colony, so it was an abandoned leper colony.

1254
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 1: Oh wow.

1255
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 7: Now it's completely uninhabited. They're just like a few beaches.

1256
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 7: It's a dry island, so there's no fresh water, so

1257
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 7: there's not like anybody living there at all. The Coastguard

1258
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 7: would drop us off for a few days. We'd clean

1259
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 7: up the beaches and then they'd pick us up with

1260
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 7: all of our supplies and our garbage. On the island.

1261
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 7: As we approach, you'll see that there are three buildings.

1262
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 7: Is a very mountainous island, and so really there's three

1263
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 7: main buildings on the island that are all in a row.

1264
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 7: You see them up the mountain. So there's a church

1265
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 7: at the lowest level, in the middle vision nunnery, and

1266
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 7: then at the top there's a hospital.

1267
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 1: A nunnery, a church, a nunnery in a hospital. Okay,

1268
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 1: and they're just completely uninhabited at this point.

1269
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 7: Completely uninhabited.

1270
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1271
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, they're like old colonial style buildings. And when we

1272
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 7: would go, we wouldn't go with tents and stuff. We'd

1273
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 7: go with our sleeping bags and stuff and stay in

1274
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 7: the buildings. So the first few times I went, we

1275
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 7: stayed in the hospital. The hospital had these huge wrap

1276
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 7: around verandas and we stay there because it's the highest

1277
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 7: building and you could see the entire island. You could

1278
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 7: see it opening up to the ocean. It was most

1279
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 7: beautiful view and you've got lots of breeze. That's why

1280
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 7: we used to camp there. We could stay in the

1281
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 7: front portion of that Varna. We could not walk deeper

1282
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 7: into the hospital because it was just eerie. It is

1283
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 7: to this day the most eerie place I've ever been.

1284
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 7: When I think about it. The only way I could

1285
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 7: describe it is thick, like you walk through it and

1286
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 7: you could just feel a weight. It was almost physical

1287
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 7: what you could feel. It was just so ominous. We

1288
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 7: hardly ever explored deeper, just like animal instinct, this definite

1289
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 7: sense that oh no, I should not be here.

1290
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's probably so many people that suffered there, and

1291
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 1: they'd probably be excited to see some life around there,

1292
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: and they're probably lonely. It's probably a lot of loneliness,

1293
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 1: like both when they were living and now.

1294
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I could believe that. The other times we camped,

1295
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 7: we could stay it in the nunnery, which felt fine,

1296
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 7: that one was safe feeling. We'd never camped in the

1297
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 7: church because the church also felt a bit forbidding. I

1298
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 7: guess it's these places where people spend a lot of

1299
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 7: mental time. Maybe you know, I can invest a lot

1300
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 7: of spirit there. I'm not sure, but it did feel different,

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Speaker 7: so we never camped there.

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Speaker 1: Lissa, I am all about cleaning up the beaches. I

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Speaker 1: would love to clean the beaches up. I don't use straws.

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Speaker 1: You're not going to get me sleeping in an abandoned

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Speaker 1: hospital on an island alone in a sleeping bag. No,

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Speaker 1: that's where I draw the line. So good for you.

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Speaker 7: Fair. Yeah, everyone who went had a healthy sense that whoa,

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Speaker 7: this is weird. But also it was just extremely beautiful,

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Speaker 7: so it had that going for it.

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Speaker 1: I guess have you ever seen a ghost once?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 7: Tell me it was at my house where I grew up.

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Speaker 7: There was a certain duration of time which kind of

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Speaker 7: had a lot of activity in my house. I'm not

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Speaker 7: super sure why. It was just a couple of years

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Speaker 7: where if you were alone, you felt the temperature drop,

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Speaker 7: you felt a person behind you. It was just a

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Speaker 7: very unnerving period and it passed at some point, so

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Speaker 7: I'm not really sure what I was about. I blame

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Speaker 7: my brother. But one day when me and my brother's

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Speaker 7: ex girlfriend were home alone, we're sitting in his bedroom

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Speaker 7: and my bedroom faced his bedroom, so we were sitting

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Speaker 7: in his bedroom and both of our doors were open,

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Speaker 7: and so I'm chatting to his ex girlfriend, and then

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Speaker 7: we both kind of see movement through the door. We

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Speaker 7: look up and we see a young man, maybe nineteen

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Speaker 7: or something, walk out of my bedroom and go down

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Speaker 7: the hall. And we listen because we know we're home alone,

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Speaker 7: no doors open, no one leaves the.

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Speaker 4: House, nothing happens.

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Speaker 1: We're like, what was that?

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Speaker 7: But it was the craziest thing because this person did

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Speaker 7: not look see through or anything. If if it wasn't

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Speaker 7: completely silent, no footballs or anything, I would I would

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Speaker 7: just think it was an intruder. But it wasn't.

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Speaker 1: Lisa, let me just enough time has passed. Could you

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Speaker 1: just be honest with me? Did you have a young

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Speaker 1: man that you were hiding in your room and your

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Speaker 1: brother's axe saw it and you just you still it

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01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 1: was a ghost. It must have been a ghost, because

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Speaker 1: you don't have to keep this story going.

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Speaker 7: Oh, I wish I was not that resourceful a teenager.

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Speaker 1: You know what is so crazy is I was just

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Speaker 1: talking to another listener named Eleanor who had a story

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Speaker 1: that was like kind of similar to this, surrounding teen

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Speaker 1: age boy and seeing the ghost of that boy while

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Speaker 1: they were still alive, like a doppelganger situation through the

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Speaker 1: crack of a bedroom door in the house. WHOA How

1349
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Speaker 1: old was your brother at the time?

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Speaker 7: He was in his late teens.

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Speaker 1: Okay, A random haunting that just like pops up. It's

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Speaker 1: like a little pop up comes in, does it sing

1353
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 1: and then move? I'm always so curious what can cause that?

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Speaker 1: Some of the leading theories it could be like you're

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Speaker 1: doing some renovation on the house and it stirs up

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Speaker 1: old spirits, or like this, maybe it's like a poltergeist

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01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 1: thing or something that's like more connected to living people

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01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 1: and manifesting in these different ways. I want to know

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Speaker 1: why it just happens.

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Speaker 5: I think it had.

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Speaker 7: To do with my brother because he was very into

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Speaker 7: a lot of now I feel weird to say occult,

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01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 7: but that was what he was into. Man. He called

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01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 7: it that himself, right. He was like really exploring some

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01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 7: of those things. He was really in dastual objections. Certain,

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Speaker 7: I mean I was younger, I didn't really listen to everything.

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Speaker 1: Did it look like him?

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Speaker 7: No, it didn't.

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Speaker 1: Didn't look like him.

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Speaker 7: He thought it had to do with him. He said

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01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,919
Speaker 7: that he did rituals or prayers or something to kind

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Speaker 7: of purify the space, and then that was when things

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Speaker 7: kind of stopped happening in the house. So I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. A lot of times when people

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Speaker 1: start dabbling in that they are learning, and there's a

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Speaker 1: learning curve. I don't know. If you think of any

1377
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 1: practice you're gonna mess up or you're gonna do things

1378
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 1: as you're practicing and learning it, you know, it's possible

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01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 1: that you could be like, oh shit, I just made

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01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 1: my whole house haunted. Okay, figure out how to get

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Speaker 1: out of this one.

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Speaker 4: Oops.

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Speaker 7: Sorry guys, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thank you so much to Roy, eleanor Dane and Lisa. Hey,

1385
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 1: you could be just like them. Email me at ghosted

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Speaker 1: by rosat gmail dot com with some bullet points of

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Speaker 1: your stories and also the subject line saying listener episode,

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Speaker 1: thank you guys so much for listening. I love you all,

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Speaker 1: both living and dead. But if I do and ask

1390
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 1: you to haunt me. Don't haunt me? Okay by This

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01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 1: has been an exactly right production. Want to share your

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01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:18,599
Speaker 1: paranormal experience on the podcast. I read stories out loud

1393
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 1: and sometimes I'll even call you. So email me at

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Speaker 1: ghosted by Roz at gmail dot com. You can send

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Speaker 1: a DM or voice message to the show's Instagram at

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Speaker 1: and follow me Roz on Instagram at Roz Hernandez and

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Speaker 1: on TikTok and Twitter at It's Roz Hernandez. My senior

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Speaker 1: producer is the Startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer is the

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Speaker 1: alarming Alex Chien. This episode was mixed and sound designed

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Speaker 1: by the Eri Edson Choi. My guest booker is the

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Speaker 1: petrifying Patrick Kuttner. Additional production in support from the hair

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Speaker 1: Raising Hannah Kyle Krighten. My theme music is by the

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Speaker 1: spine Chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the Spooky Vanessa Lilac,

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Speaker 1: Photography by the Terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the

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Speaker 1: Chilling Karen Kilgareff, The Spooky Georgia hard Stark, and the

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Speaker 1: Frightening Danielle Kramer,