WEBVTT - What's in a Dream?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey guys, welcome back to my podcast, to your podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>to our podcast. I'm so happy that you are here.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much for taking the time, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>very excited because I have a very interesting episode in

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<v Speaker 1>store for you today. We're going to be talking about dreams,

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<v Speaker 1>what our dreams, what do they mean, should we take

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<v Speaker 1>them literally? What happens if you don't dream at all.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to be talking about all that and more

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<v Speaker 1>with our guest Leah Bolan. She's a sleep and dream

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<v Speaker 1>expert based in Arizona.

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<v Speaker 2>Leyah, how are you hello, I'm great, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so excited to have a lot of questions. So

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<v Speaker 1>I do want to talk about everything that has to

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<v Speaker 1>do with dreams. But before we do that, can you

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<v Speaker 1>tell me what drew you to this line of work.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, I really started coming to my dream life through

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<v Speaker 2>my corporate life. Really, it was early in my corporate career.

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<v Speaker 2>I started to struggle a lot with sleep, which introduced

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<v Speaker 2>me to wanting to get into sleep health for myself really,

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<v Speaker 2>but it became a passion. But my dream life was

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<v Speaker 2>suddenly coming around really vivid, a little bit scary. At

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<v Speaker 2>that time in my life, I was having a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of those running, fleeing, hiding kind of dreams, and I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't sure what was going on. I decided something was

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get my attention, and I started to look

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<v Speaker 2>into as much as I could about dreams. And no

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<v Speaker 2>one around me was talking about them, no one seemed

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<v Speaker 2>to care about them. But the more I started to

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<v Speaker 2>pay attention, I started to see how they were amazing

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<v Speaker 2>parts of our life that are so interlocked with what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on in our waking life. And they became my

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<v Speaker 2>ultimate self help and eventually I became certified as a

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<v Speaker 2>dream work practitioner. Wanted to help others connect with this

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<v Speaker 2>part of their life.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, thank goodness for you, because I've had this recurring dream.

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<v Speaker 1>As you were speaking, I was remembering, we'll get to

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<v Speaker 1>that part because I'm like, okay, need I need someone

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<v Speaker 1>to tell me because it would freak me out. So anyway, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so before we get into all that, you know the

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<v Speaker 1>nitty gritty. So you're a sleep and dream expert. What

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<v Speaker 1>are those two things connected?

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<v Speaker 2>So it's interesting so often when you look at experts

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<v Speaker 2>on sleep, they're very much focused on just the science

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<v Speaker 2>of the sleep itself, and they may look at REM

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<v Speaker 2>sleep patterns as part of an over whole night of sleep.

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<v Speaker 2>But as far as this subjective, experiential part of the

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<v Speaker 2>dream realm, they don't tend to get very focused on that.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you'll have dream workers that are highly focused

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<v Speaker 2>on the dream realm and how to work with the

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<v Speaker 2>dreams and really analyze dreams. Rarely do enough people, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>really respect how intermingled these two states are, and dreaming

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<v Speaker 2>is a part of sleep, and I found that they

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely go hand in hand, and a good night of

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<v Speaker 2>sleep is always going to have some dream time.

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<v Speaker 1>So we dream because we're in a deep, deep sleep,

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<v Speaker 1>and it takes us to like kind of like another

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<v Speaker 1>dimension in some way, or is that like farfetched?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, interestingly, a lot of people equate dreams with deep sleep,

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<v Speaker 2>and deep sleep is its own phase of sleep. It's

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<v Speaker 2>actually a different phase than REM sleep, which is our

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<v Speaker 2>most dream fortified part of our night of sleep. You

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<v Speaker 2>can have dreams in other phases, but REM sleep. Rapid

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<v Speaker 2>eye movement is what REM stands for, and if you

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<v Speaker 2>look at someone dreaming, you'll often see their eyes kind

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<v Speaker 2>of fluttering behind their eyelids. That's why it's called rapid

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<v Speaker 2>eye movement. When someone's having that phase, they're generally dreaming,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's actually a very active form of sleep that's

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<v Speaker 2>different than deep sleep. So if you looked at someone's

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<v Speaker 2>brainwave patterns while they're dreaming as compared to someone who's

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<v Speaker 2>awake and going about the day, you might not even

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<v Speaker 2>really be able to discern the difference, whereas in deep

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<v Speaker 2>sleep it's very slow brainwave patterns and we're really harder

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<v Speaker 2>to rouse where someone is a little closer to the

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<v Speaker 2>surface when they're in dream sleep. Interestingly, but I would say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we are in experiences. We are having consciousness experiences in

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<v Speaker 2>a very different awareness, a different realm. It's taking place

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<v Speaker 2>in a way that we might think of as being

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<v Speaker 2>bizarre or strange, but really it's an incredible I would

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<v Speaker 2>say it's kind of multi dimensional because there's so many

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<v Speaker 2>different kinds of dreams. Some are very spiritual. I think

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<v Speaker 2>we connect to the great oneness of all potentially when

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<v Speaker 2>we're dreaming, but a lot of kind of inner psyche

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<v Speaker 2>work is happening in this different space having experiences.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, And does everyone dream?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, generally speaking.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, because there are times when I don't. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't a lot of the time. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to say ninety percent of the time, I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I don't dream anything, or maybe it's just I don't remember.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what it is. The National Sleep Foundation estimates most

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<v Speaker 2>of us are having between four to six dreams per night,

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<v Speaker 2>so in a full night of sleep, you're going through

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<v Speaker 2>four to six sleep cycles. They each last about an

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<v Speaker 2>hour and a half to two hours. As part of that,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll have some rem which means you're probably dreaming. Most

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<v Speaker 2>dreams go forgotten, it's estimated ninety five to ninety nine percent,

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<v Speaker 2>So you're totally normal to not be remembering your dreams.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're better than normal.

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<v Speaker 2>It wants to be normal. But at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the day, it's pretty common that we don't hold a

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<v Speaker 2>working memory of much anything that we've dreamt, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>kind of fleeting. And you've probably had those experiences when

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<v Speaker 2>you woke up with an amazing dream and you went

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<v Speaker 2>to tell someone just a few minutes later and it's

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<v Speaker 2>just collapsed away. There's not that same holding into a

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<v Speaker 2>working memory happening when we're dreaming, so they're very easy

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<v Speaker 2>to lose, and we can, though enhance that recall if

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<v Speaker 2>we wanted to in the beginning, when my dreams were

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<v Speaker 2>so negative it seemed. When I first started working with them,

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<v Speaker 2>what I really learned is it's sort of like a shadow.

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<v Speaker 2>You shine a light on it, it tends to disappear.

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<v Speaker 2>And when we get underneath, why is this dream coming along?

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<v Speaker 2>So often? It's empowering because we see it's not as

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<v Speaker 2>scary as maybe we thought. It's based on something we're

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<v Speaker 2>working through and dealing with. But then we can bring

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<v Speaker 2>consciousness in and help the dreams help us and move

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<v Speaker 2>towards a sweeter dream life by working with the dreams.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that. I love that because you're like shed

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<v Speaker 1>some light into it. I'm like, okay, maybe that's probably

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<v Speaker 1>why that dream when I was young. It happened so

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<v Speaker 1>much when I was young, and it followed me into

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<v Speaker 1>like my early twenties, and it was this big concrete

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<v Speaker 1>ball you know those I don't know what they're called,

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<v Speaker 1>but it demolishes buildings. Yeah, it would follow me and

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<v Speaker 1>I would run and it was chasing me for like ever,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would hear this like clown music, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>for years. And then I started meditating and I started

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<v Speaker 1>getting into the spirituality of things. Now that you're you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as you're speaking, I'm thinking and I'm like, oh, that's

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<v Speaker 1>when it started going away, when I tapped in a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more to my spirituality. But it was so

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<v Speaker 1>it was the scariest thing. So a wrecking ball, A

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<v Speaker 1>wrecking ball, that thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so this wrecking ball is coming at you

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<v Speaker 2>and you're running. It sounds like yes, So I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>what an amazing symbolism really that your dream mind came

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<v Speaker 2>up with. So do you do you mind if we

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<v Speaker 2>go a little further.

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<v Speaker 1>Into oh, let's let's let's yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you said you stopped having it. And that's the

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<v Speaker 2>cool thing about dreams is we really only have the

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<v Speaker 2>dreams as we need those dreams. Dreams are a type

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<v Speaker 2>of reflection of what's needed now. So when you're having

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<v Speaker 2>a dream, usually it's dealing with better emotional coping, consolidating,

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<v Speaker 2>integrating of something right now. I'm needing to learn how

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<v Speaker 2>to move through or beyond or find a way to

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<v Speaker 2>handle when it's a negative dream. So you can think

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<v Speaker 2>of it like an exposure therapy in that way, it's

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<v Speaker 2>forcing you to uplevel what this feels like to be

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<v Speaker 2>me right now. And so when you're in that dream

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<v Speaker 2>and you're having it. A good way to start to understand, well,

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<v Speaker 2>why would I be having that dream is rather than

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<v Speaker 2>worry too much about the symbolism at first, because that

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<v Speaker 2>can be tricky, is well, what's the emotional story I'm

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<v Speaker 2>having to deal with in the dream? Because my dream

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<v Speaker 2>is trying to up level my capacity to handle some

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<v Speaker 2>emotional story I'm integrating. So this idea of I'm trying

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<v Speaker 2>to escape or not have to face or get away from,

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<v Speaker 2>this idea of something coming and wrecking, right, just demolishing.

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<v Speaker 2>There may have been during the time you kept getting

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<v Speaker 2>thrown into that dream, something where an aspect of you

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<v Speaker 2>just was trying to either not have to confront or

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<v Speaker 2>face or afraid of what might happen in the face

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<v Speaker 2>of something.

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

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<v Speaker 2>But then as you started to work with your ability

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of be present and mindful and handle maybe

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<v Speaker 2>your own inner well being, suddenly you don't need that

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<v Speaker 2>dream anymore. Right, because life will throw us what feels

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<v Speaker 2>like a wrecking ball from time to time. How do

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<v Speaker 2>we handle it is really the key And and you've

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<v Speaker 2>up leveled your capacity to handle certain things that may

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<v Speaker 2>be coming at you. Well, that dream doesn't need to

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<v Speaker 2>bother you anymore because you did the work.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. Oh my gosh, okay got it?

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, for you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh. Yes, it makes a lot of sense.

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<v Speaker 1>It makes so much sense, Leah. So do you believe

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<v Speaker 1>in dream catchers?

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<v Speaker 2>I love dream catchers as a symbol, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>for children they can be a wonderful thing too, because children,

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<v Speaker 2>when they first start remembering their dream life, children can

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<v Speaker 2>have really scary dreams because they're dealing with a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of upleveling of how to handle life, and they have

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<v Speaker 2>minimal control in life, and all these learnings and making

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<v Speaker 2>friends and dealing with things that are going on in

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<v Speaker 2>their life they can't control can bring on a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of scary dreams. And dream catchers are beautiful symbolism, kind

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<v Speaker 2>of based in Native American tribal tradition, and there's a

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<v Speaker 2>story behind them. There's a few stories, but the most

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<v Speaker 2>widely used story is a grandmother whose grandson comes into

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<v Speaker 2>the room and goes to swat a spider, and the

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<v Speaker 2>grandmother says, oh, no, grandson, don't we don't kill the spider.

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<v Speaker 2>And when the grandson left, the spider was so grateful

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<v Speaker 2>that he wove her a beautiful web and said this

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<v Speaker 2>will keep all the negative dreams away or all the

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<v Speaker 2>nightmares away. And then there's usually like a little maybe

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<v Speaker 2>crystal in the middle, and the idea is that it

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<v Speaker 2>it keeps the negative dreams coming from coming through. And

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes just putting something like this in our vicinity to

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<v Speaker 2>alleviate our worries for the nightmares, to believe something can

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<v Speaker 2>help with the nightmares. It does a lot to help mentally.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, yeah, story a woman shared with me. She

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<v Speaker 2>said she gave her her son a dream catcher, but

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<v Speaker 2>he was kind of upset about the fact that dreams

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<v Speaker 2>were all caught up in there. So I suggested maybe

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<v Speaker 2>we go out and shake it out every morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, maybe it needs to be cleansed. It needs

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<v Speaker 1>to be clean cleansing. Yes, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>buy one from my dog because my dog, I feel like,

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<v Speaker 1>dreams a lot. He's like on the floor there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's probably chasing a rabbit or round for the ball.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I was like, see dogs dream too, both of them?

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<v Speaker 2>They do? They do?

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<v Speaker 1>Ye? So are there benefits to dreaming? Do they help

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<v Speaker 1>us at all? When we're awake.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there is a lot of consensus that there's still

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of debate in the scientific community about a

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<v Speaker 2>lot to do with dreams, but at this point quite

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of consensus around the fact that we're getting

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<v Speaker 2>some really important benefits from the dream time even if

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<v Speaker 2>we don't do anything with them, even if we're not

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<v Speaker 2>remembering them, they're doing a lot to really help us regulate.

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<v Speaker 2>They are like an overnight therapy. Have you ever gone

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<v Speaker 2>to bed just not sure how you're going to handle tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you wake up it's just a little muted,

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<v Speaker 2>not nearly as feeling as intense. That's not just time

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<v Speaker 2>that went by. That's the work of the dream life.

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<v Speaker 2>That's helping you up level your capacity to deal with life.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they're doing a lot to integrate the learning

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<v Speaker 2>and memory from the day. If you're lacking in sleep,

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna be lacking in dreams. It's gonna be harder

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<v Speaker 2>to remember what you were learning yesterday and really work

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<v Speaker 2>with that. But they're really good at also helping us

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<v Speaker 2>come up with creative solutions to problems. So sometimes you

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<v Speaker 2>may go to bed with a problem and wake up

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<v Speaker 2>with an answer. A solution.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that true for sure. Absolutely, I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>I dreamt at all, Like I don't. I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't have I didn't dream at all. But then

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<v Speaker 1>I do wake up and I'm like, I'm not as

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<v Speaker 1>stressed out as I was yesterday. Oh it's not that bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's here's the answer to that.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. Sleep on it is very sage advice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sleep on it. Yep, that's okay, you're right. Usually

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<v Speaker 1>my sister she's huge on like, oh if I had

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<v Speaker 1>a dream and I saw this, like she really really

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<v Speaker 1>believes that it's like a sign from God, and she'll

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<v Speaker 1>usually Google sometimes it kind of like there's so many

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<v Speaker 1>different answers that I'm like, which one do I even believe?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I believe none of them until you go inward

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<v Speaker 2>with it. My first way of trying to work with

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<v Speaker 2>dreams now, there were no Google searches. Way back when

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<v Speaker 2>I was first starting thirty years ago. I would have

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<v Speaker 2>been all over Google about it, I'm sure, and I

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<v Speaker 2>instead found what we're called dream dictionaries. Have you ever

0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:45.040
<v Speaker 2>seen one of these? It's like a book that essentially

0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:46.960
<v Speaker 2>does the same thing. You look up a symbol. This

0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:48.640
<v Speaker 2>is what it means you look up a theme. This

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<v Speaker 2>is what it means more art Not really, No, I thought, brilliant,

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<v Speaker 2>someone knows what all this is. Well, here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It gives you a really good understanding that dreams come

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<v Speaker 2>from a very different type of languaging. It's more of

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<v Speaker 2>a right brain story language. So thinking about your wrecking

0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:10.800
<v Speaker 2>ball dream that didn't look anything like waking life, you

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<v Speaker 2>could wake up and say, nothing to do with my

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<v Speaker 2>waking life. But metaphorically, symbolically, emotionally, it was based on

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<v Speaker 2>some true story going on with you. But it's throwing

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<v Speaker 2>you into a metaphor about it, an analogy of it,

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<v Speaker 2>so that you can integrate that story into your greater

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<v Speaker 2>sense of self in a wonderful way. So dreams are

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<v Speaker 2>not working left brain rational linear and dream dictionaries Google

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<v Speaker 2>searches can teach us about how to consider the metaphor

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<v Speaker 2>consider the idea the dream is sharing. But when we

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<v Speaker 2>really want to understand why did I have this dream

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<v Speaker 2>at this moment, it's so important that the dreamer start within,

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<v Speaker 2>like what am I feeling in that dream? What am

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<v Speaker 2>I thinking in that dream? Is usually your number one

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<v Speaker 2>clue what's triggering this dream? And sometimes we look outside

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<v Speaker 2>of ourselves assume some great dream knower knows what my

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<v Speaker 2>dream means. When I stopped trying to look outside myself

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<v Speaker 2>and assume someone else could tell me what my dream

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<v Speaker 2>meant and realize this is inner work. I've got to

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<v Speaker 2>learn how to do. And yeah, there's techniques and there's

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<v Speaker 2>tips for how, but it still means I have to

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<v Speaker 2>be along for the right. Someone outside of me cannot

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<v Speaker 2>blindly know what my dream means.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it's always inward, definitely with everything, with a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of things. And I've learned that later in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, because I mean you Google even oh I

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<v Speaker 1>feel this in my back and you just start diagnosing

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<v Speaker 1>and Google just further confuses you.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, and a lot of different possibil answers. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a good dream dictionary, good good Google search

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<v Speaker 2>is going to give you it could be this, or

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<v Speaker 2>it could be that, or could be this, And they're like, okay,

0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:59.280
<v Speaker 2>what is it. We'll go inward. Rumy had a great quote,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, and sometimes you are looking among the branches

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<v Speaker 2>for what only appears in the roots. And I love

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<v Speaker 2>that bad idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, I love that. Yes, So okay, now

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<v Speaker 1>that we're you know, talking about this, I do want

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<v Speaker 1>to ask you. My husband just had a dream, a

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<v Speaker 1>nightmare actually, a couple of nights ago, and he just said,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, it was horrible, felt so real. So

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<v Speaker 1>basically he got shot in his Did anything bad happen

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<v Speaker 1>or just got shotted? Oh my god? No, okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>he just told me that he got shot and that

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<v Speaker 1>he was in the hospital and he died. Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>And in the Latin culture they say bring light to

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<v Speaker 1>the dream, so it doesn't come true. So I'm saying

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<v Speaker 1>it out loud so everyone can here, because I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want it to come true. God, good for you. But yes,

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<v Speaker 1>but but what do you I mean, what can you? So?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean dreams generally speaking, media has perpetuated a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of fear and superstition and fortune telling ideas around dreams.

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<v Speaker 2>And first of all, cheese. I'm not going to say

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<v Speaker 2>dreams can never have warnings or information that we can say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>if this were or could happen, is there anything I

0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:16.600
<v Speaker 2>could or should do? And yet it's usually nothing rational,

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<v Speaker 2>nothing linear. It's more I'm working through a story. I'm

0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:25.080
<v Speaker 2>going through I, for whatever it's worth, have died multiple

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<v Speaker 2>times in my dreams.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's so many times you've been what, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I've fallen. I'm literally asleep and I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm falling or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's very common. We can circle back to that.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, that's that's a terrible dream to wake up from.

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<v Speaker 2>Right when you're you've been shot, you're in the hospital. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And I would say, the best way to start to

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<v Speaker 2>work with that dream is, Okay, while I was in

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<v Speaker 2>the dream, what was what was really going on for

0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:57.040
<v Speaker 2>me emotionally? What was I thinking? Because oftentimes our dreams,

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, are working with an emotional story or

0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:03.080
<v Speaker 2>process scene and looking at the dream close to when

0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:05.960
<v Speaker 2>we had it is a great timing because you kind

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<v Speaker 2>of know what was going on yesterday, the day before. Where,

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<v Speaker 2>if anywhere, in my waking life do I understand this emotionality.

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<v Speaker 2>But dreams exaggerate because they're trying to up level us.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like, well, I don't, I don't really feel

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm going to die, And yet in waking life

0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:26.760
<v Speaker 2>we often say things like, oh my gosh, this is

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<v Speaker 2>going to kill me. I don't know how to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>face this, But getting shot is a very interesting metaphor, right,

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<v Speaker 2>like some like it would be interesting to know where

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<v Speaker 2>did he get shot? How did he get shot?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Okay, yeah, it's probably Also I've noticed that

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<v Speaker 1>if like you're thinking of something or worried about something

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<v Speaker 1>a lot, then you know and it makes sense. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean that's what I thought, That's what I made out

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<v Speaker 1>of it. I'm like, Okay, that's not going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>You are taking care of We were protected. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's just he was out of town and he worries

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<v Speaker 1>about me being home alone, and I don't know, maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, let's send let's send very healing, wonderful light all around.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your husband's name? Amelio is going to be safe

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<v Speaker 2>and sound. But it would be really interesting for him

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<v Speaker 2>too if he wanted to kind of understand, well, why

0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:15.160
<v Speaker 2>would I have such a dream. His next steps would

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<v Speaker 2>really be to kind of reconnect with while I was

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<v Speaker 2>in the dream, what was I thinking, what was I feeling,

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<v Speaker 2>and then really look at what was just happening and

0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:28.000
<v Speaker 2>where that emotionality resides and any other elements of the dream.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, dreams like that, we are like, oh what

0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:34.000
<v Speaker 2>does that mean? And very often it's just a direct

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<v Speaker 2>reflection of something that we just did. Feel like this

0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:40.600
<v Speaker 2>hit me, this, this got me this, you know. And

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<v Speaker 2>the thing about death in dreams is so often it's this.

0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:46.680
<v Speaker 2>You know, if you think of have you ever had

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<v Speaker 2>a tarot reading, yes, yes, and the death card comes up,

0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:53.000
<v Speaker 2>you might be like, oh, you know, but really it's

0:20:53.040 --> 0:20:58.000
<v Speaker 2>a transformation card. It's a it's a card about letting

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<v Speaker 2>an aspect of self die or a way of being

0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:04.000
<v Speaker 2>die so that we can emerge anew. And death and

0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:08.760
<v Speaker 2>dreams are so often related to this moment where something

0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:12.919
<v Speaker 2>has to be completely like you know, transformed, or we

0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:16.120
<v Speaker 2>just did have something where we have to completely let

0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:20.560
<v Speaker 2>that die so we can kind of renew, so.

0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:21.600
<v Speaker 1>Like die to self.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's really a release in transformation kind of experience.

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<v Speaker 2>And most of the people I've worked with, when they've

0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:32.920
<v Speaker 2>had a death dream, there's usually is something that they

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<v Speaker 2>just had to really come to an awareness I've got

0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:37.800
<v Speaker 2>to let this go, I've got to move beyond this,

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<v Speaker 2>I've got to let this die off kind of a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So what about lucid dreams. I know you talk about lucidness.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you ever been in dreams and you know you're

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<v Speaker 2>dreaming yes. Yeah. Have you ever been for a while

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<v Speaker 2>in a dream and know your dream or do you

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<v Speaker 2>just tend to wake up.

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<v Speaker 1>I've had dreams where I'm in the dream and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>hoping and praying, I hope this is a dream, please

0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:04.480
<v Speaker 1>don't let this be real, and then you wake up

0:22:04.480 --> 0:22:06.240
<v Speaker 1>and you're like, oh, thank god, it's not real.

0:22:06.520 --> 0:22:08.280
<v Speaker 2>Sort of feel okay, so you kind of have a

0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:10.760
<v Speaker 2>sense this could be a dream. Let's hope it's a dream.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, but I've never really been, I think, in a

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<v Speaker 1>dream dreaming.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what scientists back in

0:22:19.280 --> 0:22:23.680
<v Speaker 2>the seventies were trying to originally prove this is possible,

0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:25.760
<v Speaker 2>that you can be in a dream and aware you're dreaming.

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<v Speaker 2>And a lot of the scientific community was saying, no,

0:22:28.680 --> 0:22:33.480
<v Speaker 2>that's not possible, you're just dreaming, you're dreaming. But they

0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:36.440
<v Speaker 2>did scientifically end up proving this, and there's a lot

0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:40.400
<v Speaker 2>of science now around lucid dreaming. Even having two way

0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:43.840
<v Speaker 2>dialogue with dreamers at this point through eye signals and

0:22:43.880 --> 0:22:46.920
<v Speaker 2>things like that quite fascinating. So when you're in a

0:22:47.000 --> 0:22:50.000
<v Speaker 2>dream and you suddenly are aware, oh, this is a dream,

0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:54.320
<v Speaker 2>you did just click into a new type of dream awareness.

0:22:54.480 --> 0:22:56.480
<v Speaker 2>Before you were kind of lost to the dream. You

0:22:56.480 --> 0:22:59.439
<v Speaker 2>didn't have your prefrontal cortex clicked on, which is that

0:23:00.200 --> 0:23:04.800
<v Speaker 2>a rationing, reasoning, linear thinking self. But sometimes you're asleep

0:23:04.800 --> 0:23:06.639
<v Speaker 2>and in a dream and that can click on, usually

0:23:06.680 --> 0:23:09.399
<v Speaker 2>by something that shocks you or surprises you, and it

0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:12.560
<v Speaker 2>gets that fact checker like boom, wait a minute. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people really have this skill, and I a long

0:23:18.160 --> 0:23:21.080
<v Speaker 2>time ago really worked to gain this skill for myself

0:23:21.119 --> 0:23:23.280
<v Speaker 2>because I wanted to see, could really anyone do this?

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<v Speaker 2>But we can sustain that, we can stay in the

0:23:27.640 --> 0:23:30.040
<v Speaker 2>dream while or where we're in a dream and actually

0:23:30.080 --> 0:23:32.800
<v Speaker 2>interact with the dream and co create from within the

0:23:32.880 --> 0:23:37.000
<v Speaker 2>dream and have spiritual connection in the dream. It's quite

0:23:37.040 --> 0:23:40.199
<v Speaker 2>a fascinating thing. And a lot of people these days

0:23:40.359 --> 0:23:44.280
<v Speaker 2>are very interested in connecting with their dream realm in

0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:47.080
<v Speaker 2>this very interesting way. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I well, my mom passed away twelve

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<v Speaker 1>years ago. Yeah, I've drempt with her three times, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>three times, And I think and people when people ask me,

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<v Speaker 1>like when I'm doing interviews there, they asked me, have

0:24:00.840 --> 0:24:02.880
<v Speaker 1>you dreamt your mom or when her anniversary is gonna

0:24:02.880 --> 0:24:05.080
<v Speaker 1>come around? And I think the few times that I

0:24:05.119 --> 0:24:09.120
<v Speaker 1>did dream with her. They felt so real that when

0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:11.399
<v Speaker 1>I woke up, I'd be really sad for like the

0:24:11.440 --> 0:24:14.520
<v Speaker 1>next three days, or it would just really take a

0:24:14.520 --> 0:24:17.600
<v Speaker 1>toll on me on my emotional state. So I think, well,

0:24:17.600 --> 0:24:19.560
<v Speaker 1>maybe she doesn't like to come visit me as much

0:24:19.600 --> 0:24:23.000
<v Speaker 1>because she knows it really affects me. Now I'm like, Mom,

0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:25.160
<v Speaker 1>it's been years. I want to see you, I want

0:24:25.200 --> 0:24:27.320
<v Speaker 1>to hug you. And I'm like, she's just probably busy,

0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:29.000
<v Speaker 1>you know what I want to think.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's an amazing thing to have a spiritual connection

0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:39.400
<v Speaker 2>of that type in the dream realm, and it does

0:24:39.520 --> 0:24:43.280
<v Speaker 2>show us that you know, a person has never gone

0:24:43.440 --> 0:24:46.399
<v Speaker 2>in our heart and that we do have that ability

0:24:46.440 --> 0:24:50.360
<v Speaker 2>to still connect. And was your sadness because it was

0:24:50.440 --> 0:24:53.159
<v Speaker 2>just bringing back your loss and you just had this

0:24:53.280 --> 0:24:56.200
<v Speaker 2>moment and you know, kind of why can't I have

0:24:56.240 --> 0:24:56.800
<v Speaker 2>more of that?

0:24:58.440 --> 0:25:01.760
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I think it was more of only in one

0:25:01.800 --> 0:25:04.359
<v Speaker 1>dream she gave me a hug and she looked just

0:25:04.720 --> 0:25:07.080
<v Speaker 1>so beautiful. It was crazy. Other than that, the other

0:25:07.160 --> 0:25:10.880
<v Speaker 1>two were business as usual. You know. It was okay,

0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:14.600
<v Speaker 1>the kids, the house, and I mean, nothing really specific,

0:25:14.640 --> 0:25:17.879
<v Speaker 1>but it was always that, you know, we're taking care

0:25:17.880 --> 0:25:20.320
<v Speaker 1>of business. Sort of thing, and I thought, Okay, yea,

0:25:20.520 --> 0:25:24.080
<v Speaker 1>even though she's gone or she's in, she's graduated is

0:25:24.080 --> 0:25:26.040
<v Speaker 1>what we like to call it. She's still we're still

0:25:26.080 --> 0:25:28.520
<v Speaker 1>getting things done. We're still a power team, I guess.

0:25:28.920 --> 0:25:30.919
<v Speaker 1>But I still would get sad, you know, I'm like,

0:25:30.960 --> 0:25:31.439
<v Speaker 1>I miss her.

0:25:31.600 --> 0:25:34.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, of course, of course. So it's beautiful we still

0:25:34.960 --> 0:25:38.359
<v Speaker 2>get to have that experience and we can encourage it

0:25:38.600 --> 0:25:41.959
<v Speaker 2>to show up. I am a firm believer that spirit

0:25:42.000 --> 0:25:45.440
<v Speaker 2>can pierce the dream realm. I also know that sometimes

0:25:45.520 --> 0:25:47.919
<v Speaker 2>if I have a deceased level one comes through my dream,

0:25:48.720 --> 0:25:52.639
<v Speaker 2>I've had a spiritual connection. Oftentimes, like your amazing hug,

0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:59.040
<v Speaker 2>that's such a moment with spirit. Other times we have

0:25:59.200 --> 0:26:01.720
<v Speaker 2>dreams where so one we love who has passed is

0:26:01.840 --> 0:26:03.879
<v Speaker 2>in the dream, but they're just kind of part of

0:26:03.880 --> 0:26:07.840
<v Speaker 2>the dream with us in the dream. And don't underestimate this.

0:26:07.960 --> 0:26:11.359
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes our dream mind may actually pull in our version

0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:14.520
<v Speaker 2>of our mom, or our uncle or our grandmother if

0:26:14.800 --> 0:26:19.040
<v Speaker 2>right now we need aspects of that person in the

0:26:19.119 --> 0:26:22.280
<v Speaker 2>dream to work through what we're going through. So just

0:26:22.320 --> 0:26:24.240
<v Speaker 2>like when you wake up and you have a buddy,

0:26:24.320 --> 0:26:26.919
<v Speaker 2>a good friend who showed up in your dream, you

0:26:27.000 --> 0:26:29.760
<v Speaker 2>might be Oh, you were in my dream, but you

0:26:29.840 --> 0:26:33.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of know it wasn't really them. I think dreams

0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:38.320
<v Speaker 2>can utilize our ideas of even someone who's passed in

0:26:38.320 --> 0:26:42.000
<v Speaker 2>the dream when we're dealing with trades, personalities, characteristics that

0:26:42.040 --> 0:26:44.320
<v Speaker 2>the dream needs to work with that we equate to them.

0:26:44.560 --> 0:26:48.640
<v Speaker 2>But that hug, that wonderful hug, such a perfect example

0:26:49.200 --> 0:26:53.080
<v Speaker 2>of when spirit enters into our dream realm. It's so

0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:57.159
<v Speaker 2>often this amazing moment of true connection. And if you

0:26:57.240 --> 0:26:59.679
<v Speaker 2>want to have that connection more, it does start with

0:26:59.680 --> 0:27:02.160
<v Speaker 2>remember dreams. Because here's the thing, chick, is, you may

0:27:02.160 --> 0:27:04.560
<v Speaker 2>be having more of those dreams and you just don't remember.

0:27:05.080 --> 0:27:08.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe she doesn't come visit me because I get

0:27:08.640 --> 0:27:10.200
<v Speaker 1>a lot of ideas, a lot you're.

0:27:10.119 --> 0:27:13.359
<v Speaker 2>Forgetting a lot of them. It's possible those connections are

0:27:13.400 --> 0:27:15.399
<v Speaker 2>there even when you don't remember them. But put her

0:27:15.480 --> 0:27:18.320
<v Speaker 2>picture by your nightstand or journal about you know, your

0:27:18.359 --> 0:27:21.560
<v Speaker 2>desire to see her or pray or connect with her

0:27:22.200 --> 0:27:25.000
<v Speaker 2>in some way before you go to sleep, and say, hey,

0:27:25.040 --> 0:27:27.280
<v Speaker 2>visit me, and you might be surprised.

0:27:28.000 --> 0:27:30.119
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, I think it's probably should be something like

0:27:30.119 --> 0:27:32.000
<v Speaker 1>what when I'm praying at night and just say hey, mom,

0:27:32.119 --> 0:27:34.119
<v Speaker 1>I'd like to see you. It's been it's been some time.

0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:37.080
<v Speaker 1>It's been like a good five six years, I think.

0:27:37.200 --> 0:27:40.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And to your point, if if there's an awareness

0:27:40.520 --> 0:27:44.080
<v Speaker 2>that this is overwhelming for you or leads to some sadness,

0:27:44.320 --> 0:27:47.040
<v Speaker 2>well no, you know, she wouldn't want you to have

0:27:47.200 --> 0:27:49.800
<v Speaker 2>the sadness. But you know, if you've ever sat down

0:27:49.840 --> 0:27:52.040
<v Speaker 2>with a medium, usually the first thing they do is

0:27:52.160 --> 0:27:56.040
<v Speaker 2>invite spirit in. And sometimes we just need to invite

0:27:56.200 --> 0:27:56.840
<v Speaker 2>spirit in.

0:27:57.480 --> 0:28:01.399
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, maybe I think maybe emotionally, subconsciously, I was

0:28:01.520 --> 0:28:04.120
<v Speaker 1>kind of just, oh, it's going to hurt sort of thing.

0:28:04.160 --> 0:28:06.359
<v Speaker 1>But now I'm ready. I feel stronger, So I definitely

0:28:06.359 --> 0:28:07.640
<v Speaker 1>want to see her. I want to know what she's

0:28:07.760 --> 0:28:19.720
<v Speaker 1>up to, you know. Yeah. Yeah, And then we have

0:28:19.760 --> 0:28:21.280
<v Speaker 1>those dreams. I don't know if this has ever happened

0:28:21.320 --> 0:28:23.479
<v Speaker 1>to you or to anyone that's listening, but I've had

0:28:23.520 --> 0:28:26.679
<v Speaker 1>those dreams when I'm fighting and I and I'm throwing

0:28:26.680 --> 0:28:29.200
<v Speaker 1>punches and I just it's so frustrating because I can't

0:28:29.240 --> 0:28:32.600
<v Speaker 1>hit them. I'm like, what does that mean? I'm like,

0:28:32.720 --> 0:28:36.439
<v Speaker 1>am I just just releasing frustration? I guess retention I'm assuming.

0:28:36.600 --> 0:28:39.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So yeah, when was the last time you think

0:28:39.160 --> 0:28:39.520
<v Speaker 2>you had.

0:28:39.440 --> 0:28:42.719
<v Speaker 1>That dream, Oh that was years ago. That was okay,

0:28:42.800 --> 0:28:45.400
<v Speaker 1>I want to say, I don't know, good seven years ago.

0:28:45.480 --> 0:28:48.000
<v Speaker 1>Probably it's been a while she had an angry dream

0:28:48.040 --> 0:28:48.240
<v Speaker 1>like that.

0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I mean probably around seven years ago you

0:28:52.800 --> 0:28:56.320
<v Speaker 2>moved through something that made that dream no longer like

0:28:56.360 --> 0:28:59.120
<v Speaker 2>you no longer need a dad dream at that point.

0:28:59.160 --> 0:29:01.360
<v Speaker 2>But up into that point, so while you would be

0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:04.560
<v Speaker 2>in that dream, it would be frustrating. You're trying to

0:29:04.920 --> 0:29:08.800
<v Speaker 2>connect a punch or make an impact. Your goal was

0:29:08.840 --> 0:29:11.360
<v Speaker 2>what to fight them off or hurt them? What was

0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:11.720
<v Speaker 2>your goal?

0:29:11.880 --> 0:29:15.080
<v Speaker 1>Usually I don't remember, to be honest, but it was

0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:17.920
<v Speaker 1>it was just we were arguing and I don't even

0:29:17.920 --> 0:29:19.480
<v Speaker 1>know if it was a girl or a guy. Yeah,

0:29:19.520 --> 0:29:21.960
<v Speaker 1>I was just hitting and I couldn't reach a person.

0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:25.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, So yeah, that's that frustration. I can't I

0:29:25.600 --> 0:29:29.480
<v Speaker 2>can't connect, I can't you know, I can't. I can't

0:29:29.520 --> 0:29:32.080
<v Speaker 2>make the impact I want to make here. You know,

0:29:32.120 --> 0:29:34.200
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of what seems to be happening in a

0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:37.880
<v Speaker 2>dream like that. And so there might have been a

0:29:37.920 --> 0:29:41.360
<v Speaker 2>frustration during a certain period of your life while you

0:29:41.440 --> 0:29:44.960
<v Speaker 2>had that dream a lot where you were really frustrated

0:29:45.040 --> 0:29:48.400
<v Speaker 2>at trying to make some sort of connection, make an impact,

0:29:49.560 --> 0:29:53.760
<v Speaker 2>or fend something off that you just didn't have quite

0:29:53.840 --> 0:29:58.080
<v Speaker 2>the ability to make that that that hit.

0:29:59.600 --> 0:30:02.360
<v Speaker 1>Yep. Absolutely. If it was about seven years ago, I

0:30:02.400 --> 0:30:04.240
<v Speaker 1>want to say, I know exactly where I was in

0:30:04.280 --> 0:30:06.400
<v Speaker 1>my personal life and in my career, and I was

0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:09.000
<v Speaker 1>very frustrated. Yep, yeah, yeah.

0:30:09.240 --> 0:30:11.880
<v Speaker 2>And so here's the thing. The beautiful thing about those

0:30:11.960 --> 0:30:16.360
<v Speaker 2>dreams at that time is we do have to stifle

0:30:16.680 --> 0:30:18.680
<v Speaker 2>a lot of how we feel in our waking life

0:30:18.720 --> 0:30:25.240
<v Speaker 2>just to be normal human beings and deal with society.

0:30:25.360 --> 0:30:28.480
<v Speaker 2>Like you can't actually out of your frustration go flailing

0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:30.640
<v Speaker 2>around hitting at people, right.

0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:31.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:30:31.880 --> 0:30:35.760
<v Speaker 2>So now in our dream life, however, we do get

0:30:35.800 --> 0:30:40.320
<v Speaker 2>this wonderful opportunity to truly get it out. And that's healthy.

0:30:40.480 --> 0:30:44.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there is an equilibrium that we're getting when

0:30:44.520 --> 0:30:47.400
<v Speaker 2>there is, at least at a soul level, the capacity

0:30:47.840 --> 0:30:52.320
<v Speaker 2>to flail, to scream, to fight. And yeah, we don't

0:30:52.360 --> 0:30:56.880
<v Speaker 2>like that dream perhaps, but know that even in the

0:30:57.000 --> 0:31:00.640
<v Speaker 2>ability to really try, and we weren't made in the connection,

0:31:00.720 --> 0:31:03.720
<v Speaker 2>which was you know, part of the symbolism, the metaphor

0:31:03.800 --> 0:31:05.960
<v Speaker 2>of you know, you can take consciousness and say, okay,

0:31:05.960 --> 0:31:09.400
<v Speaker 2>how do I better make this, you know, happen. But

0:31:09.800 --> 0:31:12.920
<v Speaker 2>even from within a dream, you let loose of some

0:31:13.120 --> 0:31:16.640
<v Speaker 2>steam that really needed to get let loose of. So

0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:17.440
<v Speaker 2>yay for that.

0:31:18.040 --> 0:31:21.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're right. There's always something positive. See. I like you, Leah.

0:31:21.560 --> 0:31:23.959
<v Speaker 1>I like you because that's the way I like to think.

0:31:24.000 --> 0:31:26.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm like you know, there always has to be something

0:31:26.320 --> 0:31:28.880
<v Speaker 1>beautiful or something positive. You can pull out of every situation,

0:31:29.000 --> 0:31:31.560
<v Speaker 1>even a dream, because yeah I can't. You're right. As

0:31:31.640 --> 0:31:33.200
<v Speaker 1>much as I'd like to slap a few people, I

0:31:33.640 --> 0:31:36.960
<v Speaker 1>should not do that in your dreams.

0:31:37.040 --> 0:31:39.960
<v Speaker 2>You can get away with that. And here's the thing.

0:31:40.080 --> 0:31:43.120
<v Speaker 2>Every one of your dreams, whether you call it bad,

0:31:43.240 --> 0:31:46.200
<v Speaker 2>whether you call it sad, whether you you know, they're

0:31:46.280 --> 0:31:51.680
<v Speaker 2>all have a purpose to help you be more balanced,

0:31:51.800 --> 0:31:56.520
<v Speaker 2>more whole, more emotionally grounded, more able to cope. And

0:31:56.720 --> 0:31:59.440
<v Speaker 2>so that's where I come back to those negative dreams,

0:31:59.440 --> 0:32:02.680
<v Speaker 2>which we may like, there's something in there for us

0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:06.000
<v Speaker 2>to learn from always, and even if we don't learn

0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:09.320
<v Speaker 2>the lesson of the dream consciously, usually the dream in

0:32:09.360 --> 0:32:12.400
<v Speaker 2>and of itself did some work that is helping us.

0:32:12.800 --> 0:32:16.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes, okay, I love that. And is there anything that

0:32:16.960 --> 0:32:23.240
<v Speaker 1>you recommend for better sleep? For having more joyful dream

0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:23.800
<v Speaker 1>Should I say?

0:32:24.000 --> 0:32:27.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, everyone wants that flying up above the clouds, happy,

0:32:27.360 --> 0:32:28.960
<v Speaker 2>blissful and free dream.

0:32:29.520 --> 0:32:30.600
<v Speaker 1>In my own utopia.

0:32:31.080 --> 0:32:34.400
<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's the dream I want. So here's the thing.

0:32:34.920 --> 0:32:38.360
<v Speaker 2>Dreams are going to, by nature, flag and prioritize the

0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:41.400
<v Speaker 2>thing we've placed the most importance and emotion on, and

0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:44.640
<v Speaker 2>they have really important work to do so, especially if

0:32:44.640 --> 0:32:46.840
<v Speaker 2>there's things in our life we just you know, have

0:32:46.920 --> 0:32:48.960
<v Speaker 2>to like I can't deal with that right now. I can't.

0:32:49.120 --> 0:32:51.920
<v Speaker 2>But there's a part of us bothered or frustrated or

0:32:51.960 --> 0:32:57.000
<v Speaker 2>sad or lonely or mad or stressed. The dreams are

0:32:57.040 --> 0:33:00.600
<v Speaker 2>going to try to up level and confront and consolidate

0:33:00.640 --> 0:33:04.040
<v Speaker 2>and integrate that. And on some level we actually need

0:33:04.360 --> 0:33:07.200
<v Speaker 2>our dreams to be doing that, so they can be

0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:11.240
<v Speaker 2>a good reflection that I have something that wants me

0:33:11.400 --> 0:33:14.960
<v Speaker 2>to better up level or work through. And the more

0:33:15.000 --> 0:33:17.440
<v Speaker 2>we were willing to look at those dreams and consider

0:33:17.480 --> 0:33:20.440
<v Speaker 2>them and get support and doing so, the better we

0:33:20.440 --> 0:33:22.360
<v Speaker 2>can move through them and not need them anymore. Just

0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:24.320
<v Speaker 2>like your wrecking ball dream, you don't need that dream

0:33:24.320 --> 0:33:26.920
<v Speaker 2>no more. Yeah, if you were still having that dream,

0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:30.600
<v Speaker 2>you wouldn't have yet figured out how to handle those

0:33:30.640 --> 0:33:34.680
<v Speaker 2>life circumstances. So when all is said and done, though,

0:33:34.840 --> 0:33:38.400
<v Speaker 2>when we go to sleep, we are going into the

0:33:38.480 --> 0:33:41.600
<v Speaker 2>night of sleep with certain things most recently on our mind.

0:33:42.200 --> 0:33:45.520
<v Speaker 2>And the more peace and harmony we're bringing into the

0:33:45.600 --> 0:33:49.320
<v Speaker 2>night of sleep, certainly, the sweeter we are probably set

0:33:49.400 --> 0:33:52.040
<v Speaker 2>up our dream life to be. Some of us go

0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:56.080
<v Speaker 2>to bed watching what I like to coin as murder, death,

0:33:56.200 --> 0:33:56.880
<v Speaker 2>kill shows.

0:33:57.400 --> 0:33:59.880
<v Speaker 1>That was me. I would always follow the Super Forensic Files.

0:34:00.480 --> 0:34:03.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my husband was so addicted to that show and

0:34:03.680 --> 0:34:05.600
<v Speaker 2>he was having all these terrible I was like, well,

0:34:05.600 --> 0:34:08.080
<v Speaker 2>maybe we need to, like wean you off right before

0:34:08.120 --> 0:34:10.600
<v Speaker 2>bed watching a bunch of things about murder and death.

0:34:11.320 --> 0:34:14.160
<v Speaker 2>So the thing that we go to bed with just

0:34:14.280 --> 0:34:17.120
<v Speaker 2>last on our mind. Or if you're like binge watching

0:34:17.200 --> 0:34:22.319
<v Speaker 2>some kind of serial killer show, of course, you know,

0:34:22.400 --> 0:34:24.439
<v Speaker 2>the more you're caught up in that, the more that's

0:34:24.520 --> 0:34:27.920
<v Speaker 2>lingering with you too, and your your Dreamlind doesn't really

0:34:27.920 --> 0:34:31.080
<v Speaker 2>differentiate between the emotions I have about some media I'm

0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:34.719
<v Speaker 2>taking in and my true like life. So before we

0:34:34.800 --> 0:34:37.279
<v Speaker 2>go to bed, we should do a little ritual, even

0:34:37.280 --> 0:34:39.439
<v Speaker 2>if it's just for a few minutes, to come back

0:34:39.480 --> 0:34:43.759
<v Speaker 2>to a sense of spiritual wholeness and wellness. For those

0:34:43.800 --> 0:34:46.839
<v Speaker 2>of us who pray, that's a great time to do that.

0:34:47.040 --> 0:34:49.480
<v Speaker 2>For those of us who don't pray, just anything that

0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:52.760
<v Speaker 2>connects you with your spiritual sense of self that takes

0:34:52.760 --> 0:34:57.000
<v Speaker 2>you to a place of feeling whole and happy, visualizing

0:34:57.040 --> 0:34:59.120
<v Speaker 2>how perfect tomorrow could go. It would be a great

0:34:59.120 --> 0:35:02.759
<v Speaker 2>way to end your day. Journal about the things that

0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:05.200
<v Speaker 2>are important to you on your mind. Maybe even send

0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:09.080
<v Speaker 2>a request off to your Dreamlind dreams, help me solve this,

0:35:09.280 --> 0:35:12.200
<v Speaker 2>help me figure this out, and feel like you're handing

0:35:12.239 --> 0:35:14.560
<v Speaker 2>it off for the night. But the more we go

0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:16.759
<v Speaker 2>to bed with a sense of peace and harmony, the

0:35:16.760 --> 0:35:18.480
<v Speaker 2>more we're going to set ourselves up for a more

0:35:18.960 --> 0:35:22.799
<v Speaker 2>sweet night of sleep. And then in general, the more

0:35:22.840 --> 0:35:25.520
<v Speaker 2>we're able to learn how to handle the and cope

0:35:25.520 --> 0:35:28.640
<v Speaker 2>with the stressors we have in our life, the less

0:35:28.640 --> 0:35:31.280
<v Speaker 2>our dreams are going to need to tackle that for us.

0:35:31.840 --> 0:35:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so I've definitely learned that if I want to

0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:37.600
<v Speaker 1>see my mom, I should invite her in yes, right

0:35:37.600 --> 0:35:40.960
<v Speaker 1>before I go to sleep. What has helped me personally

0:35:41.120 --> 0:35:43.920
<v Speaker 1>is sleep music. I love sleep music. I try not

0:35:44.040 --> 0:35:48.040
<v Speaker 1>to watch anything scarier Forensic files for a while now

0:35:48.360 --> 0:35:51.000
<v Speaker 1>my husband and I try to at least just okay,

0:35:51.040 --> 0:35:52.600
<v Speaker 1>it's time to go to sleep. Let's put to sleep

0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:55.880
<v Speaker 1>music right after our show, because yeah, I think I

0:35:55.880 --> 0:35:58.040
<v Speaker 1>don't know where we read it, but it's very important,

0:35:58.040 --> 0:36:01.120
<v Speaker 1>like the last thirty or sixty minutes before going to sleep,

0:36:01.160 --> 0:36:03.720
<v Speaker 1>like what you just said, making sure that you're feeding

0:36:03.760 --> 0:36:07.160
<v Speaker 1>your soul in your brain something nice and positive so

0:36:07.160 --> 0:36:09.080
<v Speaker 1>that you don't have bad dreams and have a good

0:36:09.160 --> 0:36:09.640
<v Speaker 1>night's rest.

0:36:09.760 --> 0:36:13.279
<v Speaker 2>So, yes, we tend to just crash into the bed,

0:36:13.480 --> 0:36:17.880
<v Speaker 2>versus have a intentional way of sending ourselves off to sleep.

0:36:18.480 --> 0:36:21.759
<v Speaker 2>And I always encourage you, we adults, we need to

0:36:21.800 --> 0:36:24.560
<v Speaker 2>talk into you know, we need a ritual this as

0:36:24.920 --> 0:36:27.879
<v Speaker 2>let's feel cozy and comforted and tell ourselves a good

0:36:27.920 --> 0:36:29.000
<v Speaker 2>story before bed.

0:36:29.320 --> 0:36:33.040
<v Speaker 1>You know, yes, yes, and see you guys. I always

0:36:33.040 --> 0:36:36.080
<v Speaker 1>say that word lea. I always a intentional. I feel

0:36:36.080 --> 0:36:38.560
<v Speaker 1>like you have to be intentional in everything in life.

0:36:38.920 --> 0:36:40.799
<v Speaker 1>So there it is. You were meant to be on

0:36:40.800 --> 0:36:45.720
<v Speaker 1>this podcast. I see it almost every episode. But okay,

0:36:45.760 --> 0:36:48.080
<v Speaker 1>so you do give consultations on your website, right? Can

0:36:48.120 --> 0:36:50.719
<v Speaker 1>you please let people know where they can find you

0:36:50.800 --> 0:36:53.400
<v Speaker 1>and how they can connect with you. Yes, your social

0:36:53.440 --> 0:36:55.000
<v Speaker 1>media perfect.

0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:58.480
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0:36:58.560 --> 0:37:02.839
<v Speaker 2>Mirravel Resort, just such an amazing place to spend time

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<v Speaker 2>for the spirit, for the soul, for you know, no

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<v Speaker 2>matter what, you're into their stuff there. I do workshops, lectures,

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<v Speaker 2>private sessions there at Merrival, but also I do a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of private coaching for dreamwork as well as sleep

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<v Speaker 2>wellness via zoom or phone for people who aren't in

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<v Speaker 2>Arizona or Tucson. My website is Leah l e A H.

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<v Speaker 2>Bolan b like Boyo, l like Laura E n like

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<v Speaker 2>Nancy Leahboland dot com. And I also have a podcast

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<v Speaker 2>all about dream work. So if someone wants to learn

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<v Speaker 2>more about my kind of techniques for working with dreams,

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<v Speaker 2>they can go to dream Interpretation Station, which is anywhere

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<v Speaker 2>you listen to podcasts, or you can go to dream

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<v Speaker 2>Interpretationstation dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that you are so sweet. I've been pronouncing

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<v Speaker 1>your name wrong the entire time and you haven't told me.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I go by Leya all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, go Leah or Leah Leah or.

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<v Speaker 2>I always if it's not remembering my name, I'll tell

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<v Speaker 2>them just remember Princess Leah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Princess Leah, and that's what I was thinking of

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<v Speaker 1>the whole time. There you go. Okay, awesome, Oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're in Arizona. I love Sedona, Arizona. I went

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<v Speaker 1>there a while ago by myself. It was years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I took a drive out there. It was amazing. How

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<v Speaker 1>far are you from Sadonah.

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<v Speaker 2>So Sedona, that's gonna be about you talking the three

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<v Speaker 2>and a half four hours.

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<v Speaker 1>Away, Okay, but still it'll be worth it. I can

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<v Speaker 1>maybe go there and then go visit you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you would love Miravalta. It's really one of

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<v Speaker 2>those destinations spa settings where it's not just a spa,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's got just so many programs for whatever someone's

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<v Speaker 2>interested in, but people really go there to restore their

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<v Speaker 2>well being.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. I think I definitely need that in

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of the year. So I might just be

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<v Speaker 1>hitting you up so you can give me some some

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<v Speaker 1>places to visit and all that good stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds great. I so enjoyed spending time with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Likewise, Leah, Leah, I love them both. Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate your time. I learned a lot and I

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<v Speaker 1>think yes, guys, I think it's important to just shed

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<v Speaker 1>light on everything. There's always something positive and beautiful that

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<v Speaker 1>you can pull out of everything, and something we can

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<v Speaker 1>learn from everything, especially and more dreams as well. So

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for your time. I appreciate Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm wishing you and all your listeners the sweetest your dreams.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, thank you. I appreciate that. And I'll keep you

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<v Speaker 1>updated on if my mom comes back into my dreams. Yay.

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<v Speaker 2>I would love to know.

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