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Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome back to my podcast, to your podcast,

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Speaker 1: to our podcast. I'm so happy that you are here.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for taking the time, and I'm

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Speaker 1: very excited because I have a very interesting episode in

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Speaker 1: store for you today. We're going to be talking about dreams,

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Speaker 1: what our dreams, what do they mean, should we take

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Speaker 1: them literally? What happens if you don't dream at all.

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Speaker 1: We're going to be talking about all that and more

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Speaker 1: with our guest Leah Bolan. She's a sleep and dream

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Speaker 1: expert based in Arizona.

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Speaker 2: Leyah, how are you hello, I'm great, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to have a lot of questions. So

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Speaker 1: I do want to talk about everything that has to

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Speaker 1: do with dreams. But before we do that, can you

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Speaker 1: tell me what drew you to this line of work.

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Speaker 2: Sure, I really started coming to my dream life through

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Speaker 2: my corporate life. Really, it was early in my corporate career.

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Speaker 2: I started to struggle a lot with sleep, which introduced

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Speaker 2: me to wanting to get into sleep health for myself really,

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Speaker 2: but it became a passion. But my dream life was

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Speaker 2: suddenly coming around really vivid, a little bit scary. At

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Speaker 2: that time in my life, I was having a lot

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Speaker 2: of those running, fleeing, hiding kind of dreams, and I

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Speaker 2: wasn't sure what was going on. I decided something was

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Speaker 2: trying to get my attention, and I started to look

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Speaker 2: into as much as I could about dreams. And no

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Speaker 2: one around me was talking about them, no one seemed

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Speaker 2: to care about them. But the more I started to

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Speaker 2: pay attention, I started to see how they were amazing

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Speaker 2: parts of our life that are so interlocked with what's

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Speaker 2: going on in our waking life. And they became my

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Speaker 2: ultimate self help and eventually I became certified as a

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Speaker 2: dream work practitioner. Wanted to help others connect with this

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Speaker 2: part of their life.

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Speaker 1: Okay, thank goodness for you, because I've had this recurring dream.

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Speaker 1: As you were speaking, I was remembering, we'll get to

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Speaker 1: that part because I'm like, okay, need I need someone

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Speaker 1: to tell me because it would freak me out. So anyway, okay,

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Speaker 1: so before we get into all that, you know the

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Speaker 1: nitty gritty. So you're a sleep and dream expert. What

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Speaker 1: are those two things connected?

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Speaker 2: So it's interesting so often when you look at experts

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Speaker 2: on sleep, they're very much focused on just the science

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Speaker 2: of the sleep itself, and they may look at REM

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Speaker 2: sleep patterns as part of an over whole night of sleep.

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Speaker 2: But as far as this subjective, experiential part of the

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Speaker 2: dream realm, they don't tend to get very focused on that.

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Speaker 2: And then you'll have dream workers that are highly focused

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Speaker 2: dreams and really analyze dreams. Rarely do enough people, I think,

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Speaker 2: really respect how intermingled these two states are, and dreaming

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Speaker 2: is a part of sleep, and I found that they

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Speaker 2: absolutely go hand in hand, and a good night of

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Speaker 2: sleep is always going to have some dream time.

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Speaker 1: So we dream because we're in a deep, deep sleep,

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Speaker 1: and it takes us to like kind of like another

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Speaker 1: dimension in some way, or is that like farfetched?

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Speaker 2: Well, interestingly, a lot of people equate dreams with deep sleep,

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Speaker 2: and deep sleep is its own phase of sleep. It's

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Speaker 2: actually a different phase than REM sleep, which is our

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Speaker 2: most dream fortified part of our night of sleep. You

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Speaker 2: can have dreams in other phases, but REM sleep. Rapid

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Speaker 2: eye movement is what REM stands for, and if you

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Speaker 2: look at someone dreaming, you'll often see their eyes kind

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Speaker 2: of fluttering behind their eyelids. That's why it's called rapid

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Speaker 2: eye movement. When someone's having that phase, they're generally dreaming,

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Speaker 2: and it's actually a very active form of sleep that's

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Speaker 2: different than deep sleep. So if you looked at someone's

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Speaker 2: brainwave patterns while they're dreaming as compared to someone who's

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Speaker 2: surface when they're in dream sleep. Interestingly, but I would say, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we are in experiences. We are having consciousness experiences in

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Speaker 2: a very different awareness, a different realm. It's taking place

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Speaker 2: say it's kind of multi dimensional because there's so many

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Speaker 2: different kinds of dreams. Some are very spiritual. I think

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Speaker 2: we connect to the great oneness of all potentially when

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Speaker 1: Okay, And does everyone dream?

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Speaker 2: Yes, generally speaking.

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Speaker 1: Okay, because there are times when I don't. I feel

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Speaker 1: to say ninety percent of the time, I feel like

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Speaker 2: That's what it is. The National Sleep Foundation estimates most

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Speaker 2: of us are having between four to six dreams per night,

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Speaker 2: so in a full night of sleep, you're going through

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Speaker 2: four to six sleep cycles. They each last about an

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Speaker 2: hour and a half to two hours. As part of that,

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Speaker 2: you'll have some rem which means you're probably dreaming. Most

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Speaker 2: dreams go forgotten, it's estimated ninety five to ninety nine percent,

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Speaker 2: So you're totally normal to not be remembering your dreams.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're better than normal.

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Speaker 2: It wants to be normal. But at the end of

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Speaker 2: working memory of much anything that we've dreamt, and they're

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Speaker 2: kind of fleeting. And you've probably had those experiences when

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Speaker 2: you woke up with an amazing dream and you went

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Speaker 2: to tell someone just a few minutes later and it's

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Speaker 2: just collapsed away. There's not that same holding into a

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Speaker 2: working memory happening when we're dreaming, so they're very easy

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Speaker 2: to lose, and we can, though enhance that recall if

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Speaker 2: we wanted to in the beginning, when my dreams were

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Speaker 2: so negative it seemed. When I first started working with them,

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Speaker 2: what I really learned is it's sort of like a shadow.

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Speaker 2: You shine a light on it, it tends to disappear.

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Speaker 2: And when we get underneath, why is this dream coming along?

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Speaker 2: So often? It's empowering because we see it's not as

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Speaker 2: scary as maybe we thought. It's based on something we're

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Speaker 2: towards a sweeter dream life by working with the dreams.

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Speaker 1: I like that. I love that because you're like shed

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Speaker 1: some light into it. I'm like, okay, maybe that's probably

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Speaker 1: why that dream when I was young. It happened so

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Speaker 1: much when I was young, and it followed me into

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Speaker 1: like my early twenties, and it was this big concrete

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Speaker 1: but it demolishes buildings. Yeah, it would follow me and

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Speaker 1: I would run and it was chasing me for like ever,

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Speaker 1: for years. And then I started meditating and I started

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Speaker 1: getting into the spirituality of things. Now that you're you know,

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Speaker 1: when it started going away, when I tapped in a

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Speaker 1: it was the scariest thing. So a wrecking ball, A

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so this wrecking ball is coming at you

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Speaker 2: and you're running. It sounds like yes, So I mean,

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Speaker 2: what an amazing symbolism really that your dream mind came

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Speaker 1: Into oh, let's let's let's yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now you said you stopped having it. And that's the

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Speaker 2: cool thing about dreams is we really only have the

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Speaker 2: dreams as we need those dreams. Dreams are a type

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Speaker 2: of reflection of what's needed now. So when you're having

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Speaker 2: integrating of something right now. I'm needing to learn how

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Speaker 2: handle when it's a negative dream. So you can think

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Speaker 2: of it like an exposure therapy in that way, it's

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Speaker 2: forcing you to uplevel what this feels like to be

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Speaker 2: and you're having it. A good way to start to understand, well,

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Speaker 2: why would I be having that dream is rather than

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Speaker 2: worry too much about the symbolism at first, because that

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Speaker 2: can be tricky, is well, what's the emotional story I'm

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Speaker 2: emotional story I'm integrating. So this idea of I'm trying

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Speaker 2: this idea of something coming and wrecking, right, just demolishing.

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Speaker 2: There may have been during the time you kept getting

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Speaker 2: just was trying to either not have to confront or

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Speaker 1: It's crazy. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 2: But then as you started to work with your ability

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Speaker 2: your own inner well being, suddenly you don't need that

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Speaker 2: dream anymore. Right, because life will throw us what feels

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Speaker 2: like a wrecking ball from time to time. How do

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Speaker 2: we handle it is really the key And and you've

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Speaker 2: up leveled your capacity to handle certain things that may

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Speaker 2: be coming at you. Well, that dream doesn't need to

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Speaker 1: Okay. Oh my gosh, okay got it?

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Speaker 2: So yeah, for you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Yes, it makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 1: It makes so much sense, Leah. So do you believe

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Speaker 2: I love dream catchers as a symbol, and I think

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Speaker 2: for children they can be a wonderful thing too, because children,

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Speaker 2: when they first start remembering their dream life, children can

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Speaker 2: have really scary dreams because they're dealing with a lot

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Speaker 2: of upleveling of how to handle life, and they have

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Speaker 2: minimal control in life, and all these learnings and making

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Speaker 2: friends and dealing with things that are going on in

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Speaker 2: their life they can't control can bring on a lot

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Speaker 2: of scary dreams. And dream catchers are beautiful symbolism, kind

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Speaker 2: of based in Native American tribal tradition, and there's a

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Speaker 2: story behind them. There's a few stories, but the most

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Speaker 2: widely used story is a grandmother whose grandson comes into

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Speaker 2: grandmother says, oh, no, grandson, don't we don't kill the spider.

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Speaker 2: And when the grandson left, the spider was so grateful

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Speaker 2: that he wove her a beautiful web and said this

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Speaker 2: will keep all the negative dreams away or all the

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Speaker 2: nightmares away. And then there's usually like a little maybe

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Speaker 2: sometimes just putting something like this in our vicinity to

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Speaker 2: help with the nightmares. It does a lot to help mentally.

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Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, story a woman shared with me. She

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Speaker 2: said she gave her her son a dream catcher, but

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Speaker 2: he was kind of upset about the fact that dreams

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Speaker 2: were all caught up in there. So I suggested maybe

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Speaker 2: we go out and shake it out every morning.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, maybe it needs to be cleansed. It needs

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Speaker 1: to be clean cleansing. Yes, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: buy one from my dog because my dog, I feel like,

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Speaker 1: dreams a lot. He's like on the floor there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's probably chasing a rabbit or round for the ball.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I was like, see dogs dream too, both of them?

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Speaker 2: They do? They do?

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Speaker 1: Ye? So are there benefits to dreaming? Do they help

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's always inward, definitely with everything, with a lot

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Speaker 2: I mean dreams generally speaking, media has perpetuated a lot

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Speaker 2: And first of all, cheese. I'm not going to say

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Speaker 1: And it's so many times you've been what, I feel

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very common. We can circle back to that.

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Speaker 1: You know, Okay, yeah, it's probably Also I've noticed that

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Speaker 2: Yes, let's send let's send very healing, wonderful light all around.

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Speaker 2: What's your husband's name? Amelio is going to be safe

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I well, my mom passed away twelve

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Speaker 1: come around? And I think the few times that I

432
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 1: did dream with her. They felt so real that when

433
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 1: I woke up, I'd be really sad for like the

434
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: next three days, or it would just really take a

435
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: toll on me on my emotional state. So I think, well,

436
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: maybe she doesn't like to come visit me as much

437
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 1: because she knows it really affects me. Now I'm like, Mom,

438
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 1: it's been years. I want to see you, I want

439
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 1: to hug you. And I'm like, she's just probably busy,

440
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: you know what I want to think.

441
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 2: So it's an amazing thing to have a spiritual connection

442
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 2: of that type in the dream realm, and it does

443
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 2: show us that you know, a person has never gone

444
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 2: in our heart and that we do have that ability

445
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:50,360
Speaker 2: to still connect. And was your sadness because it was

446
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 2: just bringing back your loss and you just had this

447
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 2: moment and you know, kind of why can't I have

448
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 2: more of that?

449
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: Yes, I think it was more of only in one

450
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 1: dream she gave me a hug and she looked just

451
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: so beautiful. It was crazy. Other than that, the other

452
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 1: two were business as usual. You know. It was okay,

453
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: the kids, the house, and I mean, nothing really specific,

454
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 1: but it was always that, you know, we're taking care

455
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: of business. Sort of thing, and I thought, Okay, yea,

456
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: even though she's gone or she's in, she's graduated is

457
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: what we like to call it. She's still we're still

458
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: getting things done. We're still a power team, I guess.

459
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 1: But I still would get sad, you know, I'm like,

460
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:31,439
Speaker 1: I miss her.

461
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, of course. So it's beautiful we still

462
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 2: get to have that experience and we can encourage it

463
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,959
Speaker 2: to show up. I am a firm believer that spirit

464
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 2: can pierce the dream realm. I also know that sometimes

465
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 2: if I have a deceased level one comes through my dream,

466
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 2: I've had a spiritual connection. Oftentimes, like your amazing hug,

467
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 2: that's such a moment with spirit. Other times we have

468
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 2: dreams where so one we love who has passed is

469
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 2: in the dream, but they're just kind of part of

470
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 2: the dream with us in the dream. And don't underestimate this.

471
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 2: Sometimes our dream mind may actually pull in our version

472
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 2: of our mom, or our uncle or our grandmother if

473
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 2: right now we need aspects of that person in the

474
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 2: dream to work through what we're going through. So just

475
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 2: like when you wake up and you have a buddy,

476
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,919
Speaker 2: a good friend who showed up in your dream, you

477
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 2: might be Oh, you were in my dream, but you

478
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 2: kind of know it wasn't really them. I think dreams

479
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 2: can utilize our ideas of even someone who's passed in

480
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 2: the dream when we're dealing with trades, personalities, characteristics that

481
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 2: the dream needs to work with that we equate to them.

482
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 2: But that hug, that wonderful hug, such a perfect example

483
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: of when spirit enters into our dream realm. It's so

484
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 2: often this amazing moment of true connection. And if you

485
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 2: want to have that connection more, it does start with

486
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 2: remember dreams. Because here's the thing, chick, is, you may

487
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: be having more of those dreams and you just don't remember.

488
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe she doesn't come visit me because I get

489
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: a lot of ideas, a lot you're.

490
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 2: Forgetting a lot of them. It's possible those connections are

491
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 2: there even when you don't remember them. But put her

492
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 2: picture by your nightstand or journal about you know, your

493
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 2: desire to see her or pray or connect with her

494
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 2: in some way before you go to sleep, and say, hey,

495
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 2: visit me, and you might be surprised.

496
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I think it's probably should be something like

497
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: what when I'm praying at night and just say hey, mom,

498
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: I'd like to see you. It's been it's been some time.

499
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: It's been like a good five six years, I think.

500
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. And to your point, if if there's an awareness

501
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 2: that this is overwhelming for you or leads to some sadness,

502
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 2: well no, you know, she wouldn't want you to have

503
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 2: the sadness. But you know, if you've ever sat down

504
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 2: with a medium, usually the first thing they do is

505
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 2: invite spirit in. And sometimes we just need to invite

506
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 2: spirit in.

507
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, maybe I think maybe emotionally, subconsciously, I was

508
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 1: kind of just, oh, it's going to hurt sort of thing.

509
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: But now I'm ready. I feel stronger, So I definitely

510
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 1: want to see her. I want to know what she's

511
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: up to, you know. Yeah. Yeah, And then we have

512
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: those dreams. I don't know if this has ever happened

513
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,479
Speaker 1: to you or to anyone that's listening, but I've had

514
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 1: those dreams when I'm fighting and I and I'm throwing

515
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: punches and I just it's so frustrating because I can't

516
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: hit them. I'm like, what does that mean? I'm like,

517
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 1: am I just just releasing frustration? I guess retention I'm assuming.

518
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, So yeah, when was the last time you think

519
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 2: you had.

520
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,719
Speaker 1: That dream, Oh that was years ago. That was okay,

521
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: I want to say, I don't know, good seven years ago.

522
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: Probably it's been a while she had an angry dream

523
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: like that.

524
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I mean probably around seven years ago you

525
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 2: moved through something that made that dream no longer like

526
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 2: you no longer need a dad dream at that point.

527
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 2: But up into that point, so while you would be

528
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 2: in that dream, it would be frustrating. You're trying to

529
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 2: connect a punch or make an impact. Your goal was

530
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 2: what to fight them off or hurt them? What was

531
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 2: your goal?

532
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: Usually I don't remember, to be honest, but it was

533
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: it was just we were arguing and I don't even

534
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: know if it was a girl or a guy. Yeah,

535
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: I was just hitting and I couldn't reach a person.

536
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, So yeah, that's that frustration. I can't I

537
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 2: can't connect, I can't you know, I can't. I can't

538
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 2: make the impact I want to make here. You know,

539
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 2: it's kind of what seems to be happening in a

540
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 2: dream like that. And so there might have been a

541
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 2: frustration during a certain period of your life while you

542
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 2: had that dream a lot where you were really frustrated

543
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 2: at trying to make some sort of connection, make an impact,

544
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 2: or fend something off that you just didn't have quite

545
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 2: the ability to make that that that hit.

546
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: Yep. Absolutely. If it was about seven years ago, I

547
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: want to say, I know exactly where I was in

548
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: my personal life and in my career, and I was

549
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: very frustrated. Yep, yeah, yeah.

550
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: And so here's the thing. The beautiful thing about those

551
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 2: dreams at that time is we do have to stifle

552
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 2: a lot of how we feel in our waking life

553
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 2: just to be normal human beings and deal with society.

554
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 2: Like you can't actually out of your frustration go flailing

555
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 2: around hitting at people, right.

556
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

557
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 2: So now in our dream life, however, we do get

558
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 2: this wonderful opportunity to truly get it out. And that's healthy.

559
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 2: I mean, there is an equilibrium that we're getting when

560
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 2: there is, at least at a soul level, the capacity

561
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 2: to flail, to scream, to fight. And yeah, we don't

562
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 2: like that dream perhaps, but know that even in the

563
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 2: ability to really try, and we weren't made in the connection,

564
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 2: which was you know, part of the symbolism, the metaphor

565
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 2: of you know, you can take consciousness and say, okay,

566
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 2: how do I better make this, you know, happen. But

567
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 2: even from within a dream, you let loose of some

568
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 2: steam that really needed to get let loose of. So

569
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 2: yay for that.

570
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're right. There's always something positive. See. I like you, Leah.

571
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,959
Speaker 1: I like you because that's the way I like to think.

572
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: I'm like you know, there always has to be something

573
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: beautiful or something positive. You can pull out of every situation,

574
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: even a dream, because yeah I can't. You're right. As

575
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: much as I'd like to slap a few people, I

576
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: should not do that in your dreams.

577
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 2: You can get away with that. And here's the thing.

578
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 2: Every one of your dreams, whether you call it bad,

579
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 2: whether you call it sad, whether you you know, they're

580
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: all have a purpose to help you be more balanced,

581
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 2: more whole, more emotionally grounded, more able to cope. And

582
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: so that's where I come back to those negative dreams,

583
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 2: which we may like, there's something in there for us

584
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: to learn from always, and even if we don't learn

585
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 2: the lesson of the dream consciously, usually the dream in

586
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 2: and of itself did some work that is helping us.

587
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, I love that. And is there anything that

588
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: you recommend for better sleep? For having more joyful dream

589
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: Should I say?

590
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, everyone wants that flying up above the clouds, happy,

591
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 2: blissful and free dream.

592
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: In my own utopia.

593
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 2: Yes, that's the dream I want. So here's the thing.

594
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 2: Dreams are going to, by nature, flag and prioritize the

595
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 2: thing we've placed the most importance and emotion on, and

596
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: they have really important work to do so, especially if

597
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 2: there's things in our life we just you know, have

598
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 2: to like I can't deal with that right now. I can't.

599
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 2: But there's a part of us bothered or frustrated or

600
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 2: sad or lonely or mad or stressed. The dreams are

601
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 2: going to try to up level and confront and consolidate

602
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 2: and integrate that. And on some level we actually need

603
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 2: our dreams to be doing that, so they can be

604
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 2: a good reflection that I have something that wants me

605
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 2: to better up level or work through. And the more

606
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: we were willing to look at those dreams and consider

607
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 2: them and get support and doing so, the better we

608
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 2: can move through them and not need them anymore. Just

609
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 2: like your wrecking ball dream, you don't need that dream

610
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 2: no more. Yeah, if you were still having that dream,

611
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 2: you wouldn't have yet figured out how to handle those

612
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 2: life circumstances. So when all is said and done, though,

613
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 2: when we go to sleep, we are going into the

614
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 2: night of sleep with certain things most recently on our mind.

615
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 2: And the more peace and harmony we're bringing into the

616
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 2: night of sleep, certainly, the sweeter we are probably set

617
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 2: up our dream life to be. Some of us go

618
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 2: to bed watching what I like to coin as murder, death,

619
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: kill shows.

620
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: That was me. I would always follow the Super Forensic Files.

621
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, my husband was so addicted to that show and

622
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 2: he was having all these terrible I was like, well,

623
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 2: maybe we need to, like wean you off right before

624
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: bed watching a bunch of things about murder and death.

625
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 2: So the thing that we go to bed with just

626
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 2: last on our mind. Or if you're like binge watching

627
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 2: some kind of serial killer show, of course, you know,

628
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,439
Speaker 2: the more you're caught up in that, the more that's

629
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 2: lingering with you too, and your your Dreamlind doesn't really

630
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: differentiate between the emotions I have about some media I'm

631
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 2: taking in and my true like life. So before we

632
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 2: go to bed, we should do a little ritual, even

633
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,439
Speaker 2: if it's just for a few minutes, to come back

634
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 2: to a sense of spiritual wholeness and wellness. For those

635
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 2: of us who pray, that's a great time to do that.

636
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 2: For those of us who don't pray, just anything that

637
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 2: connects you with your spiritual sense of self that takes

638
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: you to a place of feeling whole and happy, visualizing

639
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 2: how perfect tomorrow could go. It would be a great

640
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 2: way to end your day. Journal about the things that

641
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 2: are important to you on your mind. Maybe even send

642
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: a request off to your Dreamlind dreams, help me solve this,

643
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 2: help me figure this out, and feel like you're handing

644
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 2: it off for the night. But the more we go

645
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 2: to bed with a sense of peace and harmony, the

646
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 2: more we're going to set ourselves up for a more

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Speaker 2: sweet night of sleep. And then in general, the more

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Speaker 2: with the stressors we have in our life, the less

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Speaker 2: our dreams are going to need to tackle that for us.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I've definitely learned that if I want to

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Speaker 1: see my mom, I should invite her in yes, right

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Speaker 1: before I go to sleep. What has helped me personally

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Speaker 1: is sleep music. I love sleep music. I try not

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Speaker 1: to watch anything scarier Forensic files for a while now

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Speaker 1: my husband and I try to at least just okay,

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Speaker 1: it's time to go to sleep. Let's put to sleep

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Speaker 1: music right after our show, because yeah, I think I

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Speaker 1: don't know where we read it, but it's very important,

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Speaker 1: like the last thirty or sixty minutes before going to sleep,

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Speaker 1: like what you just said, making sure that you're feeding

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Speaker 1: that you don't have bad dreams and have a good

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Speaker 1: night's rest.

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Speaker 2: So, yes, we tend to just crash into the bed,

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Speaker 2: versus have a intentional way of sending ourselves off to sleep.

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Speaker 2: And I always encourage you, we adults, we need to

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Speaker 2: talk into you know, we need a ritual this as

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Speaker 2: let's feel cozy and comforted and tell ourselves a good

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Speaker 2: story before bed.

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Speaker 1: You know, yes, yes, and see you guys. I always

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Speaker 1: say that word lea. I always a intentional. I feel

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Speaker 1: like you have to be intentional in everything in life.

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Speaker 1: So there it is. You were meant to be on

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Speaker 1: this podcast. I see it almost every episode. But okay,

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Speaker 1: so you do give consultations on your website, right? Can

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Speaker 1: you please let people know where they can find you

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Speaker 1: and how they can connect with you. Yes, your social

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Speaker 1: media perfect.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Well, if anyone's ever in Arizona and go into

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Speaker 2: Mirravel Resort, just such an amazing place to spend time

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Speaker 2: for the spirit, for the soul, for you know, no

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Speaker 2: matter what, you're into their stuff there. I do workshops, lectures,

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Speaker 2: private sessions there at Merrival, but also I do a

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Speaker 2: lot of private coaching for dreamwork as well as sleep

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Speaker 2: wellness via zoom or phone for people who aren't in

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Speaker 2: Arizona or Tucson. My website is Leah l e A H.

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Speaker 2: Bolan b like Boyo, l like Laura E n like

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Speaker 2: Nancy Leahboland dot com. And I also have a podcast

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Speaker 2: all about dream work. So if someone wants to learn

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Speaker 2: more about my kind of techniques for working with dreams,

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Speaker 2: they can go to dream Interpretation Station, which is anywhere

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Speaker 2: you listen to podcasts, or you can go to dream

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Speaker 2: Interpretationstation dot com.

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Speaker 1: I love that you are so sweet. I've been pronouncing

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Speaker 1: your name wrong the entire time and you haven't told me.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I go by Leya all the time.

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Speaker 1: Okay, go Leah or Leah Leah or.

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Speaker 2: I always if it's not remembering my name, I'll tell

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Speaker 2: them just remember Princess Leah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Princess Leah, and that's what I was thinking of

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Speaker 1: the whole time. There you go. Okay, awesome, Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 1: So you're in Arizona. I love Sedona, Arizona. I went

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Speaker 1: there a while ago by myself. It was years ago.

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Speaker 1: I took a drive out there. It was amazing. How

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Speaker 1: far are you from Sadonah.

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Speaker 2: So Sedona, that's gonna be about you talking the three

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Speaker 2: and a half four hours.

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Speaker 1: Away, Okay, but still it'll be worth it. I can

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Speaker 1: maybe go there and then go visit you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you would love Miravalta. It's really one of

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Speaker 2: those destinations spa settings where it's not just a spa,

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Speaker 2: but it's got just so many programs for whatever someone's

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Speaker 2: interested in, but people really go there to restore their

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Speaker 2: well being.

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Speaker 1: I love that. I think I definitely need that in

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Speaker 1: the beginning of the year. So I might just be

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Speaker 1: hitting you up so you can give me some some

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Speaker 1: places to visit and all that good stuff.

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Speaker 2: It sounds great. I so enjoyed spending time with you.

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Speaker 1: Likewise, Leah, Leah, I love them both. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate your time. I learned a lot and I

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Speaker 1: think yes, guys, I think it's important to just shed

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Speaker 1: light on everything. There's always something positive and beautiful that

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Speaker 1: you can pull out of everything, and something we can

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Speaker 1: learn from everything, especially and more dreams as well. So

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time. I appreciate Oh,

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Speaker 1: thank you.

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Speaker 2: I'm wishing you and all your listeners the sweetest your dreams.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thank you. I appreciate that. And I'll keep you

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Speaker 1: updated on if my mom comes back into my dreams. Yay.

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Speaker 2: I would love to know.

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Speaker 1: All right, awesome, Thank you guys, thank you for listening.

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