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Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome back to my podcast, to your podcast,

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Speaker 1: to our podcast. I'm so happy that you are here.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for taking the time, and I'm

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Speaker 1: very excited because I have a very interesting episode in

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Speaker 1: store for you today. We're going to be talking about dreams,

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Speaker 1: what our dreams, what do they mean, should we take

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Speaker 1: them literally? What happens if you don't dream at all.

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Speaker 1: We're going to be talking about all that and more

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Speaker 1: with our guest Leah Bolan. She's a sleep and dream

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Speaker 1: expert based in Arizona.

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Speaker 2: Leah, how are you hello, I'm great, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to have a lot of questions. So

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Speaker 1: I do want to talk about everything that has to

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Speaker 1: do with dreams. But before we do that, can you

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Speaker 1: tell me what drew you to this line of work.

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Speaker 2: Sure, I really started coming to my dream life through

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Speaker 2: my life. Really, it was early in my corporate career.

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Speaker 2: I started to struggle a lot with sleep, which introduced

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Speaker 2: me to wanting to get into sleep health for myself really,

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Speaker 2: but it became a passion. But my dream life was

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Speaker 2: suddenly coming around really vivid, a little bit scary. At

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Speaker 2: that time in my life, I was having a lot

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Speaker 2: of those running, fleeing, hiding kind of dreams, and I

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Speaker 2: wasn't sure what was going on. I decided something was

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Speaker 2: trying to get my attention, and I started to look

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Speaker 2: into as much as I could about dreams. And no

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Speaker 2: one around me was talking about them, no one seemed

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Speaker 2: to care about them. But the more I started to

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Speaker 2: pay attention, I started to see how they were amazing

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Speaker 2: parts of our life that are so interlocked with what's

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Speaker 2: going on in our waking life. And they became my

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Speaker 2: ultimate self help and eventually I became certified as a

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Speaker 2: dreamwork practitioner. Wanted to help others connect with this part

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Speaker 2: of their life.

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Speaker 1: Okay, thank goodness for you, because I've had this recurring dream.

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Speaker 1: As you were speaking, I was remembering, we'll get to

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Speaker 1: that part because I'm like, okay, I need someone to

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Speaker 1: tell me because it would freak me out. So anyhoy, Okay,

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Speaker 1: So before we get into all that, you know the

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Speaker 1: nitty gritty. So you're a sleep and dream expert. What

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Speaker 1: are those two things connected?

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Speaker 2: So it's interesting so often when you look at experts

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Speaker 2: on sleep, they're very much focused on just the science

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Speaker 2: of the sleep itself, and they may look at rem

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Speaker 2: sleep patterns as part of an over whole night of sleep.

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Speaker 2: But as far as this subjective, experiential part of the

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Speaker 2: dream realm, they don't tend to get very focused on that.

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Speaker 2: And then you'll have dream workers that are highly focused

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Speaker 2: dreams and really analyze dreams. Rarely do enough people, I think,

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Speaker 2: really respect how intermingled these two states are, and dreaming

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Speaker 2: is part of sleep, and I found that they absolutely

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Speaker 2: go hand in hand, and a good night of sleep

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Speaker 2: is always going to have some dream time.

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Speaker 1: So we dream because we're in a deep, deep sleep,

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Speaker 1: and it takes us to like kind of like another

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Speaker 1: dimension in some way, or is that like farfetched?

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Speaker 2: Well, interestingly, a lot of people equate dreams with deep sleep,

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Speaker 2: and deep sleep is its own phase of sleep. It's

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Speaker 2: actually a different phase than REM sleep, which is our

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Speaker 2: most dream fortified part of our night of sleep. You

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Speaker 2: can have dreams in other phases, but REM sleep. Rapid

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Speaker 2: eye movement is what REM stands for, and if you

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Speaker 2: look at someone dreaming, you'll often see their eyes kind

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Speaker 2: of fluttering behind their eyelids. That's why it's called rapid

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Speaker 2: eye movement. When someone's having that phase, they're generally dreaming,

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Speaker 2: and it's actually a very active form of sleep that's

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Speaker 2: different than deep sleep. So if at someone's brainwave patterns

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Speaker 2: while they're dreaming, as compared to someone who's awake and

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Speaker 2: very slow brainwave patterns and we're really harder to rouse

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Speaker 2: where someone is a little closer to the surface when

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Speaker 2: they're in dream sleep. Interestingly, but I would say, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we are in experiences. We are having consciousness experiences in

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Speaker 2: a very different awareness, a different realm. It's taking place

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Speaker 2: say it's kind of multi dimensional because there's so many

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Speaker 2: different kinds of dreams. Some are very spiritual. I think

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Speaker 2: we connect to the great oneness of all potentially when

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Speaker 3: Okay, And does everyone dream?

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Speaker 2: Yes, generally speaking.

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Speaker 1: Okay, because there are times when I don't. I feel

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Speaker 2: The National Sleep Foundation estimates most of us are having

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Speaker 2: between four to six dreams per night, so in a

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Speaker 2: sleep cycles. They each last about an hour and a

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Speaker 2: half to two hours. As part of that, you'll have

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Speaker 2: some rem which means you're probably dreaming. Most dreams go forgotten,

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Speaker 2: it's estimated ninety five to ninety nine percent, So you're

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Speaker 2: totally normal to not be remembering your dreams. Yeah, you're

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Speaker 2: better than normal. It wants to be normal. But at

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Speaker 2: don't hold a working memory of much anything that we've dreamt,

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Speaker 2: and they're kind of fleeting. And you've probably had those

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Speaker 2: experiences when you woke up with an amazing dream and

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Speaker 2: you went to tell someone just a few minutes later

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Speaker 2: and it's just collapsed away. There's not that same holding

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Speaker 2: into a working memory happening when we're dreaming, so they're

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Speaker 2: very easy to lose, and we can, though enhance that

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Speaker 2: recall if we wanted to. In the beginning, when My

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Speaker 2: working with them. What I really learned is it's sort

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Speaker 2: of like a shadow. You shine a light on it,

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Speaker 2: it tends to disappear. And when we get underneath, why

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Speaker 2: is this dream coming along? So often? It's empowering because

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Speaker 2: we see it's not as scary as maybe we thought.

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Speaker 2: It's based on something we're working through and dealing with.

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Speaker 2: But then we can bring consciousness in and help the

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Speaker 2: dreams help us and move towards a sweeter dream life

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Speaker 2: by working with the dreams.

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Speaker 3: I like that.

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Speaker 1: I love that because you're like shed some light into it.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, maybe that's probably why that dream when

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Speaker 1: I was young. It happened so much when I was young,

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Speaker 1: and it followed me into like my early twenties, and

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Speaker 1: it was this big concrete ball you know those I

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Speaker 1: don't know what they're called, but it demolishes buildings. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it would follow me and I would run and it

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Speaker 1: was chasing me for like ever, and I would hear

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Speaker 1: I started meditating, and I started getting into the spirituality

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Speaker 1: of things. Now that you're you know, as you're speaking,

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Speaker 1: going away, when I tapped in a little bit more

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Speaker 1: to my spirituality. But it was so it was the

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Speaker 1: scariest thing. So a wrecking ball, A wrecking ball, that thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so this wrecking ball is coming at you

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Speaker 2: and you're running it sounds like yes. So I mean,

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Speaker 2: what an amazing symbolism really that your dream mind came

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Speaker 3: Let's let's let's yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now you said you stopped having it. And that's the

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Speaker 2: cool thing about dreams is we really only have the

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Speaker 2: dreams as we need those dreams. Dreams are a type

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Speaker 2: of reflection of what's needed now. So when you're having

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Speaker 2: handle when it's a negative dream. So you can think

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Speaker 2: forcing you to uplevel what this feels like to be

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Speaker 2: and you're having it, a good way to start to understand, well,

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Speaker 2: why would I be having that dream is rather than

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Speaker 2: worry too much about the symbolism at first, because that

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Speaker 2: can be tricky, is well, what's the emotional story I'm

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Speaker 2: emotional story integrating. So this idea of I'm trying to

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Speaker 2: this idea of something coming and wrecking, right, just demolishing.

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Speaker 2: There may have been during the time you kept getting

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Speaker 2: just was trying to either not have to confront or

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Speaker 3: Oh it's crazy. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 2: But then as you started to work with your ability

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Speaker 2: your own inner well being, suddenly you don't need that

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Speaker 2: like a wrecking ball from time to time. How do

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Speaker 2: we handle it is really the key, And you've upleveled

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Speaker 2: at you, Well, that dream doesn't need to bother you

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Speaker 3: Okay. Oh my gosh, okay got it?

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Speaker 2: So yeah, for you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it makes a lot of sense. It makes so

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Speaker 1: much sense, Leah. So do you believe in dream catchers?

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Speaker 2: I love dream catchers as a symbol and I think

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Speaker 2: for children they can be a wonderful thing too, because children,

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Speaker 2: when they first start remembering their dream life, children can

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Speaker 2: of upleveling of how to handle life, and they have

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Speaker 2: minimal control in life, and all these learnings and making

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Speaker 2: friends and dealing with things that are going on in

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Speaker 2: their life they can't control can bring on a lot

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Speaker 2: of scary dreams. And dream catchers are beautiful symbolism kind

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Speaker 2: of based in Native American tribal tradition, and there's a

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Speaker 2: story behind them. There's a few stories, but the most

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Speaker 2: widely used story is a grandmother whose grandson comes into

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Speaker 2: And when the grandson left, the spider was so grateful

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Speaker 2: that he wove her a beautiful web and said this

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Speaker 2: will keep all the negative dreams away or all the

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Speaker 2: nightmares away. And then there's usually like a little maybe

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Speaker 2: sometimes just putting something like this in our vicinity to

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Speaker 2: help with the nightmares. It does a lot to help.

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Speaker 2: It's yeah story a woman shared with me. She said

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Speaker 2: she gave her her son a dream catcher, but he

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Speaker 2: was kind of upset about the fact that dreams were

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Speaker 2: all caught up in there. So I suggested maybe they

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Speaker 2: go out and shake it out every morning. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe it needs to be cleansed. It needs to

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Speaker 3: be clean cleansing.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna buy one from my

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Speaker 1: dog because my dog, I feel like, dreams a lot.

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Speaker 3: He's like on the floor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's probably chasing a rabbit or around for the ball.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I was like, see dogs dream too, both of them.

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Speaker 2: They do? They do?

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Speaker 1: So are there benefits to dreaming? Do they help us

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's always inward, definitely with everything, with a lot

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Speaker 1: No, okay, So he just told me that he got

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Speaker 2: I mean dreams generally speaking, media has perpetuated a lot

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you've been what I feel like I have fallen.

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Speaker 2: We can circle back to that. But yeah, that's that's

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Speaker 2: Like some like it would be interesting to know Where

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Speaker 2: Yes, let's send let's send very healing, wonderful light all around.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but I've never really been I think, in a

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Speaker 2: are very interested in connecting with their dream realm in

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00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 2: this very interesting way. Yeah.

436
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I well, my mom passed away twelve

437
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 1: years ago. Yeah, I've dropped with her three times, maybe

438
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 1: three times, and I think and when people ask me,

439
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 1: like when I'm doing interviews there, they asked me, have

440
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 1: you dreamt your mom or when her anniversary is going

441
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 1: to come around? And I think the few times that

442
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 1: I did dream with her, they felt so real that

443
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 1: when I woke up, I'd be really sad for like

444
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,360
Speaker 1: the next three days, or it would just really take

445
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 1: a toll on me on my emotional state. So I think, well,

446
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: maybe she doesn't like to come visit me as much

447
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: because she knows it really affects me. Now I'm like, Mom,

448
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 1: it's been years. I want to see you, I want

449
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 1: to hug you. And I'm like, she's just probably busy,

450
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: you know what I want to think.

451
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 2: So it's an amazing thing to have a spiritual connection

452
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 2: of that type in the dream realm. And it does

453
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 2: show us that you know, a person has never gone

454
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 2: in our heart and that we do have that ability

455
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,360
Speaker 2: to still connect. And was your sadness because it was

456
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 2: just bringing back your loss and you just had this

457
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 2: moment and you know, kind of why can I have

458
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 2: more of that?

459
00:24:58,440 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 3: Yes?

460
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: I think it was more of Only in one dream

461
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,360
Speaker 1: she gave me a hug and she looked just so beautiful.

462
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: It was crazy. Other than that, the other two were

463
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: business as usual. You know. It was okay, the kids,

464
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 1: the house, and I mean, nothing really specific, but it

465
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,360
Speaker 1: was always that, you know, we're taking care of business

466
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 1: sort of thing. I thought, Okay, yeah, even though she's

467
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,439
Speaker 1: gone or she's in She's graduated, is what we like

468
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 1: to call it. She's still we're still getting things done.

469
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: We're still a power team, I guess. But I still

470
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 1: would get sad, you know, I'm like, I miss her.

471
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, of course. So it's beautiful. We still

472
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 2: get to have that experience and we can encourage it

473
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,919
Speaker 2: to show up. I am a firm believer the spirit

474
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 2: can pierce the dream realm. I also know that sometimes

475
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 2: if I have a deceased level one comes through my dream,

476
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 2: I've had a spiritual connection. Oftentimes, like your amazing hug,

477
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 2: that's such a moment with spirit. Other times we have

478
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,679
Speaker 2: dreams where some one we love who has passed is

479
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 2: in the dream, but they're just kind of part of

480
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 2: the dream with us in the dream. And don't underestimate this.

481
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 2: Sometimes our dream mind may actually pull in our version

482
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 2: of our mom, or our uncle or our grandmother if right

483
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 2: now we need aspects of that person in the dream

484
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 2: to work through what we're going through. So just like

485
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 2: when you wake up and you have a buddy, a

486
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 2: good friend who showed up in your dream, you might be, oh,

487
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 2: you were in my dream, but you kind of know

488
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 2: it wasn't really them. I think dreams can utilize our

489
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 2: ideas of even someone who's passed in the dream when

490
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 2: we're dealing with trades, personalities, characteristics that the dream needs

491
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 2: to work with, that we equate to them. But that hug,

492
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 2: that wonderful hug, such a perfect example of when spirit

493
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 2: enters into our dream realm. It's so often this amazing

494
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 2: moment of true connection. And if you want to have

495
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 2: that connection more, it does start with remember bring dreams.

496
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 2: Because here's the thing, chick is, you may be having

497
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 2: more of those dreams and you just don't remember.

498
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe she doesn't come visit me, because I get

499
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: a lot of ideas, a lot of forgetting.

500
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 2: A lot of them. It's possible those connections are there

501
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 2: even when you don't remember them. But put her picture

502
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 2: by your nightstand or journal about you know, your desire

503
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 2: to see her or pray or connect with her in

504
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,959
Speaker 2: some way before you go to sleep, and say, hey,

505
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 2: visit me, and you might be surprised.

506
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I think it's probably should be something like

507
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: what when I'm praying at night and just say, hey, mom,

508
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: I'd like to see you. It's been been some time.

509
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: It's been a good five six years. I think yeah.

510
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 2: And to your point, if if there's an awareness that

511
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 2: this is overwhelming for you or leads to some sadness,

512
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 2: well no, you know, she wouldn't want you to have

513
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 2: the sadness. But you know, if you've ever sat down

514
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 2: with a medium, usually the first thing they do is

515
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 2: invite spirit in. And sometimes we just need to invite

516
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 2: spirit in.

517
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, maybe I think maybe emotionally your subconsciously, I

518
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: was kind of just oh, it's going to hurt sort

519
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: of thing. But now I'm ready. I feel stronger, so

520
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: I definitely want to see her. I want to know

521
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: what she's up to, you know.

522
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and then we have those dreams.

523
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if this has ever happened to you

524
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 1: or to anyone that's listening, but I've had those dreams

525
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 1: when I'm fighting and I and I'm throwing punches and

526
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 1: I just it's so frustrating because I can't hit them.

527
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 1: I'm like, what does that mean? I'm like, am I

528
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 1: just just releasing frustration? I guess retention? I'm assuming.

529
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, So yeah, when was the last time you think

530
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 2: you had that dream?

531
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 3: Oh?

532
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: That was years ago? That was okay, I want to

533
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: say I don't know. Good seven years ago probably it's

534
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: been a while she had an angry dream like that.

535
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I mean probably around seven years ago you

536
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 2: moved through something that made that dream no longer like you.

537
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: You no longer needed dad dream at that point. But

538
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 2: up into that point, so while you would be in

539
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 2: that dream, it would be frustrating. You're trying to connect

540
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 2: a punch or make an impact. Your goal was what

541
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 2: to fight them off or hurt them? What was your goal?

542
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: Usually I don't remember, to be honest, but it was

543
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: it was just we were arguing and I don't even know.

544
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 3: If it was a girl or a guy. Yeah, I

545
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 3: was just hitting and I couldn't reach that person.

546
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, So yeah, that's that frustration. I can't connect,

547
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 2: I can't you know, I can't. I can't make the

548
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 2: impact I want to make here. You know, it's kind

549
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 2: of what seems to be happening in a dream like that.

550
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 2: And so there might have been a frustration during a

551
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 2: certain period of your life while you had that dream

552
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,719
Speaker 2: a lot where you were really frustrated at trying to

553
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 2: make some sort of connection, make an impact, or fence

554
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 2: something off that you just didn't have quite the ability

555
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 2: to make that that that hit.

556
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 3: Yep. Absolutely.

557
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: If it was about seven years ago, I want to say,

558
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: I know exactly where I was in my personal life

559
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: and in my career, and I was very frustrated.

560
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, yeah. And so here's the thing, the beautiful

561
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 2: thing about those dreams at that time is we do

562
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 2: have to stifle a lot of how we feel in

563
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 2: our waking life just to be normal human beings and

564
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 2: deal with society. Like you can't actually, out of your

565
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 2: frustration go flailing around hitting at people, right.

566
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

567
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 2: So now in our dream life, however, we do get

568
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 2: this wonderful opportunity to truly get it out. And that's healthy.

569
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 2: I mean, there is an equilibrium that we're getting when

570
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 2: there is, at least at a soul level, the capacity

571
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 2: to flail, to scream, to fight. And yeah, we don't

572
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 2: like that dream perhaps, but know that even in the

573
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 2: ability to really try, and we weren't making the connection,

574
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: which was you know, part of the symbolism, the metaphor

575
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 2: of you know, you can take consciousness and say, okay,

576
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 2: how do I better make this you know happen. But

577
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 2: even from within a dream, you let loose of some

578
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 2: steam that really needed to get let loose of. So

579
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 2: yay for that.

580
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're right. There's always something positive. See. I like you, Leah.

581
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: I like you because that's the way I like to think.

582
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: I'm like you know, there always has to be something

583
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: beautiful or something positive. You can pull out of every situation,

584
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: even a dream, because yeah I can't.

585
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 3: You're right. As much as I'd like to slap a

586
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 3: few people, I should not do that.

587
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 2: Better in your dreams, you can get away with that.

588
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: And here's the thing. Every one of your dreams, whether

589
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 2: you call it bad, whether you call it sad, whether

590
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 2: you you know, they're all have a purpose to help

591
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: you be more balanced, more whole, more emotionally grounded, more

592
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 2: able to cope. And so that's where I come back

593
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 2: to those negative dreams which we may not like. There's

594
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 2: something in there for us to learn from always, and

595
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 2: even if we don't learn the lesson of the dream consciously,

596
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 2: usually the dream in and of itself did some work

597
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 2: that is helping us.

598
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, I love that.

599
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,719
Speaker 1: And is there anything that you recommend for better sleep,

600
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: for having more joyful dreams?

601
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 2: Should I say? Yeah? Yeah, everyone wants that flying up

602
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 2: above the clouds, happy blissful and.

603
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 3: Free dream and my own utopia.

604
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 2: Yes, that's the dream I want. So here's the thing.

605
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 2: Dreams are going to, by nature flag and prioritize the

606
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: thing we've placed the most importance and emotion on, and

607
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 2: they have really important work to do, so, especially if

608
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 2: there's things in our life we just you know, have

609
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: to like I can't deal with that right now, I can't.

610
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 2: But there's a part of us bothered or frustrated or

611
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 2: sad or lonely or mad or stressed. The dreams are

612
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 2: going to try to up level and confront and consolidate

613
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 2: and integrate that. And on some level, we actually need

614
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 2: our dreams to be doing that, so they can be

615
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 2: a good reflection that I have something that wants me

616
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 2: to better up level or work through. And the more

617
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 2: we were willing to look at those dreams and consider

618
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 2: them and get support and doing so, the better we

619
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 2: can move through them and not need them anymore. Just

620
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 2: like your wrecking ball dream, you don't need that dream

621
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 2: no more. Yeah, if you were still having that dream,

622
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 2: you wouldn't have yet figured out how to handle those

623
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 2: life circumstances. So when all I said and done, though,

624
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: when we go to sleep. We are going into the

625
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 2: night of sleep with certain things most recently on our mind,

626
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 2: and the more peace and harmony we're bringing into the

627
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 2: night of sleep, certainly, the sweeter we are probably set

628
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 2: up our dream life to be. Some of us go

629
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 2: to bed watching what I like to coin as murder, death,

630
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 2: kill shows.

631
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 3: That would me I would always follow the Super Forensic Files.

632
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, my husband was so addicted to that show and

633
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 2: he was having all these terrible I was like, well,

634
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 2: maybe we need to, like wean you off right before

635
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: bed watching a bunch of things about murder and death.

636
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 2: So the thing that we go to bed with just

637
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 2: last on our mind. Or if you're like binge watching

638
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 2: some kind of serial killer show, of course, you know,

639
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 2: the more you're caught up in that, the more that's

640
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 2: lingering with you too, and your your Dreamlind doesn't really

641
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 2: differentiate between the emotions I have about some media I'm

642
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 2: taking in and my true like life. So before we

643
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 2: go to bed, we should do a little ritual, even

644
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 2: if it's just for a few minutes, to come back

645
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 2: to a sense of spiritual wholeness and wellness. For those

646
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 2: of us who pray, that's a great time to do

647
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 2: that for those of us who don't pray, just anything

648
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: that connects you with your spiritual sense of self that

649
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 2: takes you to a place of feeling whole and happy.

650
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 2: Visualizing how perfect tomorrow could go would be a great

651
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 2: way to end your day. Journal about the things that

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Speaker 2: are important to you on your mind. Maybe even send

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Speaker 2: a request off to your Dreamlind dreams, help me solve this,

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Speaker 2: help me figure this out, and feel like you're handing

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Speaker 2: it off for the night. But the more we go

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Speaker 2: more we're going to set ourselves up for a more

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Speaker 2: sweet night of sleep. And then in general, the more

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Speaker 2: we're able to learn how to handle the and cope

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Speaker 2: with the stressors we have in our life, the less

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Speaker 2: our dreams are going to need to tackle that for us.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I've definitely learned that if I want to

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Speaker 1: see my mom, I should invite her in yes, right

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Speaker 3: What has helped me personally is sleep music. I love

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Speaker 1: I try not to watch anything scarier forensic files for

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Speaker 1: a while now. My husband and I try to at

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Speaker 1: least just Okay, it's time to go to sleep. Let's

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Speaker 1: put to sleep music right after our show, because yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think I don't know where we read it, but

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Speaker 1: it's very important, like the last thirty or sixty minutes

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Speaker 1: before going to sleep, like what you just said, making

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Speaker 1: nice and positive so that you don't have bad dreams

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Speaker 1: and have a good night's rest.

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Speaker 2: So, yes, we tend to just crash into the bed,

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Speaker 2: versus have a intentional way of sending ourselves off to sleep.

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Speaker 2: And I always encourage you, we adults, we need to

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Speaker 2: talk into you know, we need a ritual this as

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Speaker 2: let's feel cozy and comforted and tell ourselves a good

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Speaker 2: story before bed, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, yes, yes, and see you guys. I always say

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Speaker 1: that word lea. I always a intentional. I feel like

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Speaker 1: you have to be intentional in everything in life.

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Speaker 3: So there it is. You were meant to be on

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Speaker 3: this podcast.

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Speaker 1: I see it almost every episode. But okay, so you

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Speaker 1: do give consultations on your website?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Can you please let people know where they can find

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Speaker 1: you and how they can connect with you.

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Speaker 3: Yes, your social media perfect?

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Speaker 2: Yes, Well, if anyone's ever in Arizona and go into

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Speaker 2: Mirravl Resort, just such an amazing place to spend time

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Speaker 2: for the spirit, for the soul, for you know, no

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Speaker 2: matter what you're into theirs stuff there. I do workshops, lectures,

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Speaker 2: private sessions there at Merival, but also I do a

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Speaker 2: lot of private coaching for dreamwork as well as sleep

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Speaker 2: wellness via zoom or phone for people who aren't in

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Speaker 2: Arizona or Tucson. My website is Leah l e A H.

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Speaker 2: Boland b like Boyo, l like Laura E n Like

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Speaker 2: Nancy Leahboland dot com. And I also have a podcast

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Speaker 2: all about dream work. So if someone wants to learn

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Speaker 2: more about my kind of techniques for working with dreams,

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Speaker 2: they can go to dream Interpretation Station, which is anywhere

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Speaker 2: you listen to podcasts, or you can go to dream

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Speaker 2: Interpretationstation dot com.

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Speaker 3: I love that you are so sweet. I've been pronouncing

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Speaker 3: your name wrong the entire time and you haven't told me.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I go by Leya all the time, Okay, go

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Speaker 2: Leah or Leah Leah or I always. If so it's

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Speaker 2: not remembering my name, I'll tell them just remember Princess Leah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Princess Leah. That's what I was thinking of the

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Speaker 3: whole time.

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Speaker 1: There. You go okay, awesome, Oh my goodness. So you're

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Speaker 1: in Arizona. I love Sedona, Arizona. I went there a

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Speaker 1: while ago by myself. It was years ago. I took

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Speaker 1: a drive out there. It was amazing. How far are

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Speaker 1: you from Sadonah, So.

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Speaker 2: Sedona, that's gonna be about you talking three and a

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Speaker 2: half four hours.

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Speaker 1: Away, Okay, but still it'll be worth it. I can

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Speaker 1: maybe go there and then go visit you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you would love Miravalta. It's really one of

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Speaker 2: those destinations spa settings where it's not just a spa,

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Speaker 2: but it's got just so many programs for whatever someone's

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Speaker 2: interested in, but people really go there to restore their

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Speaker 2: well being.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 1: I think I definitely need that in the beginning of

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Speaker 1: the year. So I might just be hitting you up

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Speaker 1: so you can give me some places to visit and

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Speaker 1: all that good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Sounds great. I so enjoyed spending time with you.

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Speaker 1: Likewise, Leah Leah, I love them both. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate your time. I learned a lot, and I think, yes, guys,

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Speaker 1: I think it's important to just shed light on everything.

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Speaker 1: There's always something positive and beautiful that you can pull

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Speaker 1: out of everything and something we can learn from everything,

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Speaker 1: especially and more dreams as well. So thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for your time. I appreciate Oh, thank you.

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Speaker 2: I'm wishing you and all your listeners the sweetest your dreams.

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Speaker 3: Oh, thank you. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: And I'll keep you updated on if my mom comes

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Speaker 1: back into my dreams.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would love to know.

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Speaker 3: All right, awesome, Thank you guys, thank you for listening.

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Speaker 1: and to grow and to become the best version of yourself.

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