1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello, 4 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt's, my 5 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: name is Noel. I am. Then you argue hopefully and 6 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. 7 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: Let's let's get into this with a personal story first. 8 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 1: Do you guys have any experiences and parks. Yeah, I've 9 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: been to several national parts with the family over the years. 10 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: Took a trip out to the Grand Canyon which was 11 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: really nice with a couple of friends. Never um, never 12 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: never done anything insane though at these places usually it's 13 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: just hiking on, you know, for a day and then 14 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: go back to a camp site or just go back 15 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: to the car heading hover to a hotel. Actually, in 16 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: my my hometown, outside of my hometown Augusta, Georgia, there 17 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: is a national park called Finnasy Swamp Nature Park and 18 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: I had something of a spiritual awakening there. Let's say 19 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: there's a little area where you walk out onto this dock, um, 20 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: this kind of like winding bridge that goes over the 21 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: swamp and you end up on this sort of like 22 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: floating little pier's out in the middle of the swamp 23 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:33,559 Speaker 1: and it's just like covered in neon green, you know, muck, 24 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: And there were just thousands of tiny little blue insects 25 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: that they call no sums. You guys know what these 26 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: in the South. I'm not sure what they call them elsewhere, 27 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: but they're they're very tiny, and they are blue, and 28 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: they are very easy to breathe in. And they were 29 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: just clouds of them all around my head and every 30 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: time I breathed in, I felt like they were there 31 00:01:54,480 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: going inside me. It's very small. Yeah, that's sort of 32 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: derailed by spiritual awakening, but it was beautiful at that point. 33 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: So I also have had experiences in parks. There is 34 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: a park here in Georgia and the Atlanta metro area 35 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: called Arabia Mountain. Yes, let's just talking new a friend 36 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: about that. As she said, it looks like you're walking 37 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: on the surface of the moon. Yeah, it's it's different. 38 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: It's part of the basaltic extrusion that formed Stone Mountain, 39 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: which is another strange place to visit and also a park. Uh. 40 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 1: The reason that we're talking about this today is because 41 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: the US has an amazing system of public land. And 42 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: despite the political changes that the country undergoes every you know, 43 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: for eight or two or six years or whatever, regardless 44 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 1: of how the tied shifts, people seem to in general 45 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: as a culture UH respect and want to keep this 46 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: stuff wild. And every so often you'll hear stories about 47 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: uh government agencies privatizing it or allowing businesses to do 48 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: this that or the third there. But the fact remains, uh. 49 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,679 Speaker 1: The fact remains that the U. S National Park system 50 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: is an amazing institution. I almost got to go on 51 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: a road trip to Yellowstone when I was in high school. 52 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: My parents wouldn't let me go because the trust the 53 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: guy and slightly older guy we knew who would be driving, 54 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: and they were pretty sure that we were going to 55 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: uh do a lot of drugs, try to sleep around 56 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: with some fellow campers and stuff, all of which but 57 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: I'm sure would have been true had I gone. But 58 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: had I gone, I would also be one of the 59 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: proud visitors to the first ever national park in the US, 60 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: which is Yellowstone Right, founded by Alysses Grant on March one, 61 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: eighteen seventy two. It actually predates the National Park Service, 62 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: not to be confused with Jellystone, which which clearly derived 63 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: you know its name from Yellowstone. Absolutely, yeah, that's all 64 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 1: it's coming together, so noel, The National Park Service, as 65 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: Ben said, Yellowstone predated the actual National Park Service because 66 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: that was created by Woodrow Wilson on August twenty five, 67 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: nineteen sixteen, several several years after Yellowstone was established. Full circle, 68 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: Woodrow Wilson's from my hometown of Augusta, Georgia. Whoa, The 69 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: Woodrow Wilson boyhood home is in historic site? There have 70 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: you been there? Name doesn't exactly roll off the tongue. 71 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: It's fun to stay kind it is. Do you think 72 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: one can only hope for the kind of success that 73 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: makes people reconstruct and preserve your boyhood home? Oh? Man, 74 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 1: wouldn't that be great? People would be so unimpressed with 75 00:04:55,760 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: mine really is born in a year? No? No, all right, 76 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: so we have a It would be cool. Though. There's 77 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: plenty of room for a your or nomadic existence in 78 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: the National Park System today, ladies and gentlemen, this is huge. 79 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: It has four ten areas and when there's a reason 80 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: we use the word areas, and there are more than 81 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: eighty four million acres all told, Yeah, and this goes 82 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: throughout every state in the contiguous United States, the Continental 83 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: US and expands out to the District of Columbia, which 84 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: is still inside the United States but not exactly a state. Uh, 85 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:44,239 Speaker 1: the American Samoa, Guam, Puerto Rico, and even the Virgin Islands. 86 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: And it was, so why are we calling these areas 87 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: so just parks? So some of them aren't exactly parks. Right, 88 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: You've got something like a monument that's been erected somewhere, 89 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: the surrounding area of that monument might be considered an 90 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: area of a of the National Park System. Let's say 91 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: a battlefield where a battle from the Civil War took place, 92 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: something like that. That isn't necessarily a park of any 93 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: kind in itself, for a nature preserve, but the area 94 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: needs to be maintained. Yeah. This also includes lake shores, seashores, 95 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: scenic rivers, trails, and oddly enough, the White House. Yeah, 96 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: the White House. The area of the White House is 97 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: also considered one of the areas under the purview of 98 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 1: the National Park Service. So like when they mow the 99 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: lawn at the White House, are like our feel like 100 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: trying to get away, Like, well, yeah, we'll do put 101 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: the lawn mowing and under here. That's where the budget 102 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 1: will come from. Perhaps perhaps, or perhaps if you work 103 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 1: for the Park Service you can rite in and tell 104 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 1: us a little bit about that. Either way, this is 105 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: a runaway success. In two thousand and fifteen alone, how 106 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: many people went to national parks was upwards of three 107 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 1: hundred and seven million. Yeah, yeah, that's that's a ton 108 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 1: of people's It is a ton of people. And um, 109 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: this isn't something we really discussed in advance, but bringing 110 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: it up to the modern day, um, pretty interesting story. 111 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: I heard NPR a few weeks ago, specifically about Joshua 112 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: Tree National Park, and it applies to pretty much all 113 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: of them. How there are so many historic structures at 114 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: these parks, like from cabins to just different, um, different 115 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: buildings that are falling into horrible disrepair, not to mention 116 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: the amount of money and effort it requires to maintain 117 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: the grounds, cutting back foliage and things like that, and 118 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: just you know, just you own a house man, you 119 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: know how much of a pain it is just to 120 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: keep up your yard. Can you imagine having to do 121 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: it for acres and acres and acres of National park land? 122 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: So apparently these parks today have these intense lists of 123 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: problems and things, but there's just not enough money to 124 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: cover the cost. Well yeah, I mean, like you said, 125 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: it's crazy expensive, and I guess when you're looking at 126 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: a budget, it might be difficult to you know, uh, 127 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: convinced someone that this is where a priority is. Yet 128 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: the National Park Service is part of the Bureau of 129 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: the Interior and for following you know, the budgetary money. Uh, 130 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: it's composed of more than twenty two thousand employees paid 131 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: employees and two hundred and twenty thousand or so volunteers. Wow, 132 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: that's that's who gets the work done. And I just 133 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: found the statum from the story. I just wanted to 134 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: throw this out there and we can be u Um, 135 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: there is a according to this MPRPS, nearly twelve billion 136 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: dollar maintenance backlog of work that needs to be accomplished, 137 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,599 Speaker 1: but there just isn't the money in the budget for 138 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,959 Speaker 1: the park. So I just thought that was interesting. I mean, 139 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: some people would say that the the US is lucky 140 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: that the parks still exists. Other people would say that 141 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: there's something completely different to this story, that there's something 142 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: different going on, and we'll get to that in just 143 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: a moment. But first, quick words, here's where it gets crazy. 144 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: So out of the what was it, no, upwards of 145 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: three hundred and seven million thousand, So you've got the numbers. Yeah, 146 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: well three of those were us and listeners. Odds are 147 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: that some of those people were also you. And if 148 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: you're like many of these people, you visit for a day, 149 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: hike a few hours, maybe a weekend, maybe take a 150 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: couple of weeks and go down a river, or get 151 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: really into some strange throw Walden stuff and or Emmerson stuff. 152 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: And then sometimes people just don't come out at all. 153 00:09:55,960 --> 00:10:02,319 Speaker 1: People disappear in national parks, and they disappear for different reasons. 154 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: There are some people who disappear who do it on purpose. 155 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:08,839 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I just don't want to live off I 156 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: don't want to live on the grid anymore, right, I 157 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: mean I've had that inclination a couple of times in 158 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: my life. I think we all have. There's something so 159 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: tempting about just you know, disappearing, walking into the forest 160 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: never to return, hopping a train to the great horizon. 161 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: You know, I have to admit. When we started this 162 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: show back in oh eight, when we started production, uh, 163 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: midway through two thousand nine. I really felt like, oh 164 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: my gosh, dude, we have to get off the grid 165 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 1: right now, all of us. Anyone who is awake right 166 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: now needs to leave, go to the woods and just 167 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: learn how to farm. They make it really difficult for 168 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: you to do that, just I mean, just in terms 169 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: of like dealing with city government logistics. I mean I 170 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 1: actually saw the story court rules living off the grid 171 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 1: is illegal out of Cape Coral, Florida, where basically someone 172 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: has sort of like a tiny house situation out in 173 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: the woods and um unplugged for municipal services, and that 174 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: was ruled by a court in Cape Coral to be illegal. Um, 175 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: a magistrate judge actually said that this individual is not 176 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: allowed to live on her own private property without being 177 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: hooked up to the city's water systems and health. And 178 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: that's the thing. There's always some some reason, you know, 179 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: and I think it's absurd, but um, it's interesting, and 180 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: you know that that hence, maybe disappearing is the only 181 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: way to do it, right. It will will do an 182 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: episode about how to disappear if we have it. Yet. 183 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: It's pretty fascinating. I think stuff you should know did 184 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: a peace about living off the grid if you would 185 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: like to check that out listeners. So for people who 186 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: willingly disappear, people who become modern hermits. There's an example 187 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: of a guy named Daniel Solo Swalo who quit using 188 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: money in two thousand and then moved to some canyon. 189 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: It's near a place called Arches National Park. And he's 190 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: been living in these different caves, tucked into these nooks 191 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: of sandstone. Uh, and he just doesn't want to practice 192 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: anything related to money. You can read some great um 193 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: you can read some great stories about him on the 194 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: Atlantic and of course, uh, an internet search will show 195 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: you some of his various trials, travails, his ups and downs. Yeah, 196 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: there's a great article on the Atlantic that you shared, 197 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: Ben that it kind of goes through his beliefs almost 198 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: and why he's doing it. It's it's pretty interesting that 199 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: talks a lot about capitalism and and some people temporarily 200 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: reside in national parks, such as members of the Rainbow 201 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: family gatherings, you know, which is another fascinating topic. And 202 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: in either of these above cases, Yes, ladies and gentlemen, 203 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: it is absolutely possible that some individuals in these situations 204 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: may be running from the law or from other institutions, 205 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: maybe an abusive spouse, or in some cases breaking it. 206 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 1: Because let's say you're an active you're an active member 207 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: of a militia, or your a felon who is on 208 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: the run with some priors, you can disappear. It's way 209 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: easier to disappear in America than people make you think. 210 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:31,199 Speaker 1: It's not easy by any stretch, sure, and it's much 211 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: easier to disappear in let's say o woods or an 212 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: isolated area than it would be in the middle of 213 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: the city where you have to go procure things or something. Yeah, 214 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: I've mentioned all the closed circuit cameras that exist in 215 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: a situation, traffic cameras, things like that that aren't out there. 216 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: You know, you might have the occasional park ranger snooping around. 217 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: You're not trying to make sure you're not staying any 218 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: picnic baskets, but you know, barring picnic basket theft, you're 219 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: probably we're gonna we're gonna get into some right basket theft. So, 220 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: for instance, some people might move nomadically from one site 221 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:12,079 Speaker 1: to the next, people who travel for alternative community or 222 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: intentional community kind of gatherings, but they might still have 223 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: little interaction with the mainstream world, which the rainbow gatherings 224 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: is referred to as Babylon. I need to learn more 225 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: about the rainbow gatherings. You can go. I'm sure they'd 226 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: be happy to see you. I might have to try 227 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: it out. Guys. Hula hooping, right, I imagine there's some 228 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: hula hooping involved, probably not competitive though it's just hula 229 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: hooping for hula hooping sake. They don't seem like the 230 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: most competitive group of people. But if anybody's been to 231 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: a rainbow gathering, we'd like to hear about it, right 232 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: with your experience, I am teasing. I have always just 233 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: in the past, associated it with like um use people 234 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: that like follow bands or something like like the grading 235 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: sort of that same kind of scene. But I could 236 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: be entirely wrong. Oh, I could totally I could completely 237 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: see that. So in those cases, people might have a 238 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: largely off the grid or disappeared life but interact with 239 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: the mainstream world sporadically or as needed. And this goes 240 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: to the picnic basket example. Yes, this goes to the 241 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: wild Man of Central Maine. His real name is Christopher 242 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: Thomas Knight. Again, awesome article on this dude. I think 243 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: it's in g Q. Yes, Uh, it's okay. So I 244 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: just want to say, first off, this guy I kind 245 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: of want to be him. But then as you continue 246 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: reading on, no, no, maybe not, Maybe that's a bad idea. Uh. 247 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: This gentleman when he when he was twenty years old, 248 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: just took off into the woods. He said it was 249 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: around the time because he didn't know what year it 250 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: was when he was asked by the people who apprehended him. 251 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: Eventually he was finally captured. Yes, so this guy was 252 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: living in the woods, and what he would do is 253 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: he would break into let's say a cabin that's on 254 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: property somewhere or where people camp seasonally, sure exactly, and 255 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: just take whatever he could from there, or break into 256 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: let's say a yurt, you break into a yurt or 257 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: you know, a larger facility where food is stored, and 258 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: would break in there, take what he needed and then 259 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: continue on and clothing, books, beer, food, possibly even like 260 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: a shed where they keep um boats or things like that, 261 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: or like equipment. I mean, the guy, the guy was 262 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: pretty masterful with tools, being able to get into things, 263 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: and you know a lot of times keys are stored 264 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: in a place like that. Where it's a facility used 265 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: by a park service or something. He was legendary in 266 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: the area. He was known as a well man of 267 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: Central Man as mentioned before. When he was arrested and 268 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: finally hot he was sentenced to seven months in jail 269 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: and probation and at the time of this recording, he 270 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: is slowly rehabilitating into society. He has a brother. Yeah. 271 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: What was the story though when he when he was 272 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: when he was discovered, was he just like he had 273 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: to kind of be reintegrated more like ultimately he just 274 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: was not He had not been around people at all first, 275 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: and they suspect that he may uh that he may 276 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 1: be somewhere on the as Burger's autism spectrum, but there 277 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: at this point, I don't know if that's confirmed or 278 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: if it's just the amount of time living in a 279 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: solid in such solitude that has affected his behavior in 280 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 1: a way that they might confuse with that. Do we 281 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: know what led him to this life? Was it homelessness 282 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: with I mean, I'm just I'm interested. I don't believe 283 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 1: it was homelessness. Uh. This this decision though it seemed 284 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: like it was a snap impulse. Maybe had just had 285 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 1: it with people like when forrestcomp just wanted to run 286 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: right right, or when everybody in the r M video 287 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: just gets out of their car. That's a powerful moment. 288 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: I always think of that moment. One time I did 289 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: try it in a bad and bad traffic. I got 290 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 1: out of my car and I stood there, but no one, 291 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 1: no one walked out with me. So next time in traffic, foakes, 292 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 1: if you happen to see Nolan Matter, I get out 293 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: of a car, hop out long enough to say hi. 294 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: So the thing that sticks with me about this story 295 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: is the wild Man of Maine, is that he was 296 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: a legendary being that existed in this area where people 297 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: would talk about him, would say, oh, you better lock 298 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 1: up tight, you know, the wild Man of Maine might 299 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 1: be coming around. Drops. Yeah, don't leave anything out wild 300 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 1: man amate And then he became a reality, and he's 301 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: a myth that became real, which hurt anybody, right, Well, 302 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, exactly. There's no evidence. So other people 303 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: have disappeared fatally in national parks. And these are people 304 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: you who break their leg in a remote place, take 305 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: a bad fall, are murdered, perhaps because again it's an 306 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: isolated area. Drowning. Drowning is huge, which ties into possibly 307 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 1: the Smiley Face Killer different type of show naving episode 308 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: in the future. Some of these disappearances remain unexplained to 309 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: this a. There's a house Stuff Works article on ten 310 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: mysterious disappearances in national parks. Uh. Just for one example, 311 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: in a seventy three year old man named John Divine, Uh, 312 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 1: mysteriously disappeared in the Olympic National Park in northern Washington State. 313 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: That's interesting because he's not the first hiker that's disappeared 314 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: from there over the past twenty five years. At least 315 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 1: four that we know of have disappeared. And yeah, and 316 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: he was with a friend when he went missing. Uh. 317 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: There there's a lot of strange stuff to his story, 318 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: that's right. So what's the cause? What? What is the 319 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: single cause of one of the causes? What are what? 320 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: What's making this happen? What gives to answer that question? Uh? 321 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: We checked out some work recommended to us by you, uh, 322 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: written by an author named David Politis. Yeah, and he 323 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: actually wrote a series of books about these disappearances of 324 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: the missing four one one series about different regions and 325 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 1: difference that suations. One is Western U s and Canada. 326 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: There's another one on the eastern United States, one in 327 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: North America and beyond. Then there is one called the 328 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: Devils in the Details as well, and he's also written 329 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 1: quite a few books about the cryptid known as Bigfoot. A. Right, Yes, 330 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: that's something that in some cases will some sources feel 331 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: that damages his credibility. Right, because for a lot of people, 332 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 1: if you write a thing about a cryptid, especially cryptod 333 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: of that size or that popularity, then they will tend 334 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: to look askance at any other work you do. For 335 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: the record. In the Missing for one one series, while 336 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: Politis makes imply some stuff about a cryptod, he never 337 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: says these people were clearly killed by Yetti. So at 338 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 1: some point when Mr Politis kind of got on this 339 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: route of wow, there seemed to be a lot of 340 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 1: people that go missing in national parks. Yeah, a park 341 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 1: ranger asked him to look into it. Yes, and he 342 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,239 Speaker 1: tried to find more information, and he seemed to hit 343 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 1: a couple of brick walls. So it led him further 344 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: and further down this road of trying to explain what 345 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: happens to all these people and is there some kind 346 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: of common thread that links them together? Right? Have they 347 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: nailed down a theory. So here's some possible causes for 348 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: these rashes of disappearances in no particular order. First, as 349 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: we mentioned accidents, it's gonna happens. Let's walk through these 350 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: and the pros and cons of both. So, uh a 351 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: pro at least in terms of the likelihood of accidents occurring. 352 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 1: The woods are huge, many people are not familiar with them, 353 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: and you're in isolated areas where a slip on the 354 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: path can make you break your leg, or if you 355 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 1: have a head injury and you're in the backyard of nowhere, 356 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 1: then it is it is possible that that that could 357 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 1: be it for you if you don't have a method 358 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 1: of contacting someone else. That's why, you know, if you 359 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: go into a wilderness, you should always always have at 360 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: the very least someone back in the civilization who expects 361 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: to hear from you by a certain amount of times. Yeah, 362 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: but even that might not save you because there these 363 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 1: areas are so vast. And one big con for the 364 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: likelihood of accidents would be that we know not all 365 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: of these things are just human error accidents. We there 366 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: have been attacks, you know, animals have attacked people, people 367 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 1: have been murdered, you know, bodies have been found mangled 368 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. You know, I forgot. Actually, another 369 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: National park that I've been too part of is a 370 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 1: site in the Chattahoochee National Forest um called Anna Ruby Falls, 371 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: which is beautiful, glorious, but you go there, there are 372 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: a lot of little nooks with signs basically saying don't 373 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: step here or you will die instantly. And you see 374 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 1: it and you're like, yeah, yeah, I would die, like 375 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: that would happen. And I mean, and it's like that 376 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: all were these spots and it's wet, it's slippery, there's 377 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: you know, a waterfall, and there's and again, like I 378 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: was talking about earlier, the infrastructure and some of these 379 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: spots not exactly up to par a lot of times. 380 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: So you've got to think that there are opportunities for 381 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: people to maybe be going into an area after hours 382 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 1: moving around. Maybe they fell over a rail, maybe you know, 383 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: a slat and a bridge broke. There's a lot of possibilities. 384 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: And I know they do try to cordon off these 385 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,239 Speaker 1: areas where you can't get to them, but people can 386 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: be pretty tenacious. Heck, maybe they just got lost. You know, 387 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: that's one of the most terrifying things is how easily 388 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: someone can get lost in the woods. It's not that 389 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: search parties do a bad job, it's just that the 390 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,719 Speaker 1: game is rigged. It's really difficult. So another thing, another 391 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: likelihood possibility animals of attack people. And there aren't that 392 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: many types of large animal that would attack something like 393 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:58,120 Speaker 1: a person. Yeah, and it's gonna vary per region where 394 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: you're where you're talking about. The the ans out in 395 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,959 Speaker 1: California that you might have to worry about are going 396 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: to be a little different than the animals you have 397 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: to worry about if you're let's say the Everglades in Florida, Like, 398 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: how well, like talking about a bear, perhaps we're talking 399 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: about a Gatorah, yeah, out in Colorado. I just remember 400 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 1: Joe Rogan talking about an attack on his dog from 401 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: I believe a mountain lion or coyote or a cooi 402 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: wolves as well. So we know those creatures exist, we 403 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 1: know that in some cases they will attack human beings. 404 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 1: One of the cons to this is that animal attacks, 405 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 1: as far as we know, the official record, seemed to 406 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: be fairly rare in comparison to other people. And then 407 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: you know, you can often find some sort of evidence, 408 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 1: you know, bones or something. As soon as you die, 409 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 1: no matter how you die, as soon as you die 410 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: in the wild, there's an army of creatures, scavengers, predators, 411 00:24:55,320 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 1: micro organisms that fall upon the sweet sweet buffet that 412 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: used to be you. Need your eyes and your tongue 413 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 1: and your other soft parts. And then other people come 414 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: in and excuse me, other creatures come in your pile 415 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: of bones in a nifty north face jacket. That last 416 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,959 Speaker 1: personal detail. I guess we didn't need to add another. 417 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: Like I was just, I was just I got stuck 418 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: on sweet sweet buffet that used to be you. It's 419 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,199 Speaker 1: true that apparently a lot of times they start with 420 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 1: your feet. Oh yeah, I was reading an article about 421 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: like the bacteria and feet is pleasing to carry in. 422 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: I'd always heard even more disturbing, perhaps if they started 423 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: at your soft bits, like your face, your tongue, genitals. Yeah, well, 424 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: there there are other possibilities besides that, which would be crime. 425 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, a drug deal gone bad. This makes me 426 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 1: think of the fantastic episode of the Soprano was called 427 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 1: the Pine Barrens, where and I kind of forget what happens, 428 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: exactly what the crime was, but somebody ends up getting it. 429 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: So the pine barrens are actually um, they're for to 430 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 1: as several different things. The pine Lands, the New Jersey 431 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,479 Speaker 1: pine Lands are a National park area in New Jersey 432 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: that is about one point one million acres, just to 433 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 1: give you the scope of some of these types of areas. 434 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: And like I said in the episode, the whole crux 435 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: is that they are trying to hide a body, and 436 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 1: it's clearly considered a pretty solid place to do a 437 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 1: thing like that. You know, yeah, you've heard the I 438 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 1: mean you out there have probably heard the pine barrens 439 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: mentioned in pulp fiction and other uh not the movie 440 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: pulp fiction, just throughout pulp fiction. Uh, when involving the mafia, 441 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,399 Speaker 1: especially in New Jersey. Yeah, it's a seems like a 442 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 1: prime spot, although that would not account necessarily for missing visitors. 443 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: You know, what were you saying then about like some 444 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: drug deals gone bad, like that place where they would 445 00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: meet to do the drug deal. Because it's such a 446 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,360 Speaker 1: rural area where there's not maybe not gonna be any 447 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: people around. Something goes bad, nobody ever leaves. Some an 448 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: accident happens on a camping trip. You want to fake 449 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 1: your death or you want to commit suicide, you want 450 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,959 Speaker 1: it to be a new person, which we should do 451 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: that episode here. Another thing to think about here is abduction, 452 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: like child abduction. Uh. There was one case in that article, 453 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: the house Stuff Works article that tend mysterious disappearances. Uh. 454 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: A kid believe it. Believe his name is David Gonzalez. Uh. 455 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 1: He was he was going to his car to get 456 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: some cookies out of the car. Mom was like fifty 457 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: yards away, and then all of a sudden, kids gone, 458 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 1: can't find them. And I think they saw a truck 459 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: like leaving really fast out of the park area. But anyway, 460 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: it's just that kind of thing. That kind of thing 461 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: must happen, right. It seems like a perfect place to 462 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 1: target someone who's isolated and not in their own element. Right. 463 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 1: And the thing here is that whatever these causes, maybe 464 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: Paul i'ds uh does not specifically trace it to one 465 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: thing yet that they say they're narrowing down suspects. Whatever 466 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: the cause of this may be. Uh. This author and 467 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 1: his supporters argue that there are clusters of information here, 468 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 1: three types of clusters. One in cluster in terms of geography, like, 469 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 1: for instance, uh, Yosemite National Park is one of the 470 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: clusters that he sites with forty six something disappearances occurring somewhere. 471 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: The bodies were later found somewhere nobody was recovered. He 472 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: also says that there are clusters in terms of chronology. 473 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: Certain times of the year or certain years people seem 474 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: to discipline more frequently, and then there's a type of 475 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: person who disappears more frequently, the very young, the elderly. 476 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: And according to these books, uh, many times when people 477 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: are recovered they have some of the same um. They 478 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: have some things in common, for instance, and they have 479 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: wounds light light wounds are clothing store and they have 480 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: little to know memory of the event. They're located further 481 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: than one would imagine they could travel on their own. 482 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: That being said, Uh, paul I d. S believes there 483 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: is a conspiracy afoot of some sort that the National 484 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: Park is the National Park Service is not being on 485 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: the up and up right. Yeah, when when he tried 486 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: to get more information, as we mentioned earlier, from the 487 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: National Park System through Freedom of Information Act requests, he 488 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: seemed to be stone walled a bit. At least that's 489 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: what he thought at first until he realized, wait, there 490 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: isn't a lot of good record keeping when it comes 491 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: to missing people in these areas. Um, everything is simple 492 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: as names and dates and times. It's just not It wasn't, 493 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: at least at the time being collected. And he also 494 00:29:55,320 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: claims that he had several Freedom of Information Act reques 495 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: ust that were denied when when he asked for more information. 496 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: At this point, uh, At this point, this author is 497 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: continuing their investigation into the possible causes of of these disappearances. 498 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: I will say that, given that there are more than 499 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: a thousands or so cases that he has catalogs, I 500 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: would say it's difficult to imagine that these are all 501 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: attributable to a single cause. I would go so far 502 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: as to say it's impossible that they're all the exact 503 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: same thing. I'm hesitant to say impossible, but I would 504 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: be surprised. I would buy a lot of I probably 505 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: I would buy a lottery ticket if it turned out 506 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: that kind of math works. So at this point, no, 507 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: I don't buy that is like a rule. Now I'll 508 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: buy a lottery too, for someone as a president. Now, 509 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: have you ever gotten lottery tickets as a stocking stuffer? 510 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: I have me too. It's really sad stocking stuff. Well, 511 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: when you get a roll of them and you win, 512 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: you win another ticket from a role anyway, I'm sorry. 513 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: The potential is okay, it may be tiny, but it's potential. 514 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: So yeah, So we're at a point now where this investigation, 515 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: led by Paulites continues. Some of the more skeptical in 516 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: uh the the world of this conversation have pointed out that, 517 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 1: of course there's a reason it's called the wilderness. People 518 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: get lost, people get hurt, people miscalculate, people can unfortunately die, 519 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: and that can be a completely mundane explanation. However, Polides 520 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: and other investigators as well, believe that there is something 521 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: more afoot, that there is a cover up on the 522 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: part of Uncle Sam. So without claiming to know what 523 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 1: could or could not be causing these disappearances. Instead, the 524 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: author does say that there is an active stonewalling occurring. 525 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: Is that the crazy us? Yeah, that's a that's a 526 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: very good point. We want to know what you think. 527 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: Do people disappear in national parks? Is there? What do 528 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: you think the cause of it is? Do you think 529 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: that there could be some sort of cryptid involved. To me, 530 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: that's a little bit tough to conjecture, especially if it's 531 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: something that would be the size of a primate, You 532 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Can I give you a story 533 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: about that bend lead people's minds down this road? Here 534 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: on the website vist Ramic vist Ramic journeys dot com. 535 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: This is a group of people who have looked at 536 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: the Missing four on one books and kind of taken 537 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: exact places where people jually went missing and then taking 538 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: a panoramic photo of the spot where they supposedly went missing. 539 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: And there's one story on here about a dude named 540 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: Christopher Tompkins who was on an isolated road in Georgia 541 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: walking behind several other guys. They were working together, and 542 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 1: one of the other gentlemen claims to have turned around 543 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: and Christopher was no longer there. As they were walking 544 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: along this road, they ended up finding parts of his clothing. 545 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 1: One of his boots was where like right behind them. 546 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: They found some of his clothing on a barbed wire 547 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: fence a little ways away, and they found some more 548 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 1: of his clothing another boot even further away from that. 549 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 1: And this all took place within a matter of minutes 550 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: less than that. And I know that's one of those 551 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: situations where it makes me kind of go, well, how 552 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: in the heck did that happen without something really big 553 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: either carrying him away unless he just got super excited 554 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: and ran like a large bird for ins maybe or 555 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: a drone. Yes, the possibilities stretched forward, and we would 556 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: like to hear from you. So let us know. Do 557 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: you think these people disappear due to mundane uh causes? 558 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: Do you think that there is something um, something more 559 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 1: organized at work. And let's also keep in mind that 560 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,839 Speaker 1: given the in terms of the number of people who 561 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: attend these parks, relatively few so far as we know, 562 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:33,799 Speaker 1: are actually going missing. So let us know. And then 563 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: if you just have a story about something creepy that 564 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: you have found in a national park or encountered, and 565 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: you are comfortable telling us, we'd love to hear that too. 566 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 1: It might make it to the air. Speaking of listeners, 567 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:53,359 Speaker 1: I think it's time for it shut at Kona. Our 568 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: first shout out comes from Augustina, who says, someone from 569 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: Panama would like you to talk about the Panama Papers 570 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: also a shoutout would be cool. Shout out to you, Augustina, 571 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: and we are on it. Act surprised, yes, as soon 572 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: as it came out, you know, all three of us 573 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:14,319 Speaker 1: were just attached to our computers. Gasp. Second shout out 574 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: goes to Evelyn Raoul, a photographer who listens to the 575 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:22,280 Speaker 1: show while she's retouching images. Quote, I think Tyson stole 576 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,720 Speaker 1: your opening. Go listen to the opening of Star Talk. 577 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: It sounds suspiciously similar. Mmmmmmm yeah, I don't know. I 578 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,359 Speaker 1: haven't checked that out, but I appreciate the tip and 579 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,360 Speaker 1: retouching images. Huh changing history once I think about Stalin 580 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 1: the kids stays in the picture. Of course, we're kidding 581 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 1: evil and big shout out to you and thank you 582 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 1: so much writing I'm gonna check out this Star Talk 583 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: the Star Talk out. It's pretty good about it is 584 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 1: good and I don't recall the theme, but I need 585 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: to give it another listen. It's new to me. You 586 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 1: guys know, I'm I'm not about uh So. Our last 587 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 1: shout out of the day of the week really goes 588 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 1: to Simon. Simon wrote in uh to say, commenting on 589 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: our A m A at above top secret, so is 590 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: us Scully, Harvey Oswald and the Illuminates with their breakout 591 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: hit Roswell. That ends well because we released a picture 592 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,400 Speaker 1: of the four of us and we thought, hey, this 593 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 1: looks kind of like a band. Yeah, we were around 594 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: Scully like she was the lead and we were the Illuminats. 595 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 1: We're working on the mixtape, Simon. You know, we're working 596 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 1: on the mixtape. You can pay for it in uh, 597 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,959 Speaker 1: stolen Nazi gold or ben bucks or ben bucks those 598 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: two things, well, you gotta convert your stolen Nazi gold 599 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 1: to ben bucks. I mean that's just how the economy, 600 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 1: the exchange right in your face. Ye. Actually it's it's rigged. 601 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 1: I can't believe we started out with such an idealistic 602 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 1: currency and then three weeks in we've become the monsters 603 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 1: we were fighting in the first become the monsters we 604 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 1: fought in the first place. Yeah, we're mostly kidding about that. 605 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: But if you would like a shout out, let us know. 606 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 1: If you'd like to see that picture, you can find 607 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: us on Twitter and it's on our Facebook as well. 608 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,319 Speaker 1: I believe both of those are conspiracy stuff. And if 609 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 1: you want to hear every podcast that Noel, Matt and 610 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 1: I have ever ever done, then check out our website. 611 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,359 Speaker 1: Stuff they don't want you to know dot com where 612 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: you can hear those podcasts for free. That's right. The 613 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 1: biggest U R L in the history of the world. 614 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 1: What up? 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