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Speaker 3: It's Wednesday. Welcome to the Herd, wherever you may be.

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Speaker 3: It's me Jason McIntyre filling in for Collein Towherd.

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Speaker 4: No, I don't remember what.

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Speaker 3: He says at the outset of every show. I'm joined

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Speaker 3: by Rachel Nichols. We have a banger of a show today.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, World Baseball Classic thriller, Texas taking down

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Speaker 3: NC State in the final second in the NCAA tournament. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: Lakers Rockets part due tonight, Rachel. Last night was a

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Speaker 3: big sports night. And that doesn't even include the great

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Speaker 3: Fox is winning up. I'm off Men's League Championship, but

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Speaker 3: I know the World Baseball Classic You've got red on today? Yeah, USA,

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Speaker 3: we didn't quite get there.

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Speaker 5: I mean it's last night, bats Man.

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Speaker 6: Like what we You and I talked yesterday and we

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Speaker 6: talked to all the experts this week, and we expected

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Speaker 6: the pitching to maybe come into play, and why won't

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Speaker 6: these major league teams. It's the championship, let them pitch.

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Speaker 6: Guess what pitching was?

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Speaker 5: Fine?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, hit a ball, and so you know, I wonder,

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Speaker 6: I just sort of wonder if any of that'll influence

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Speaker 6: the makeup of the team three years from now or

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Speaker 6: if it's just unlucky.

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Speaker 4: That's a good thought.

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Speaker 3: Let's start there. Let's start with the bats. They fell

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Speaker 3: asleep last night for the Americans. We lose three to

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Speaker 3: two to Venezuela, a thrilling comeback thanks to Bryce Harper.

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Speaker 3: We've got some amazing highlights, and folks, the World Baseball

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Speaker 3: Classic was really about the vibes and the energy, and

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Speaker 3: you could just tell Miami was jumping.

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Speaker 4: I'm the party was crazy last night.

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Speaker 3: Venezuela takes us down with an impressive ninth inning, and

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Speaker 3: as Rachel noted, our bats just were not there. I mean,

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Speaker 3: we end the World Baseball Classic four for forty eight.

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Speaker 4: They just went to sleep. We couldn't do anything. And listen.

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Speaker 3: The new modern analytics in baseball call for hey, swing

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Speaker 3: for the fences, strikeouts, your home runs, and that's fine

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Speaker 3: in one hundred and sixty two game season, in a

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Speaker 3: seven game series, it's probably okay.

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Speaker 4: But in a one game setting, we just didn't deliver.

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Speaker 4: So let's start.

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Speaker 3: The first highlight we have is Venezuela going up to

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Speaker 3: nothing a bray You with a deep solo shot and

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Speaker 3: at this point the Americans are like on the ropes,

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Speaker 3: watched by the way as a braider rounds the base

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Speaker 3: as the entire dugout comes out to celebrate. That was

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Speaker 7: We thought the offenses would establish themselves.

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Speaker 2: Here's a drive to.

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Speaker 8: Center field off with the bat of a bray You.

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Speaker 4: Well, you're a braid you.

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Speaker 3: You usually don't see guys burn around the bay, he says,

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Speaker 3: I bray You was so geeked. The helmet comes off.

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Speaker 3: He's just booking it to celebrate. And at this point

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Speaker 3: you're thinking, oh my gosh, we're in trouble. Holy cal

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Speaker 3: we got a zero on the board. We've got the

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Speaker 4: In American Major League baseball. We got nothing.

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Speaker 3: And then Bryce Harper, who had been struggling throughout the

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Speaker 3: World Baseball Classic, steps up in the eighth and delivers

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Speaker 8: best tie. That championship does salut as Bryce Harper can

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Speaker 8: acts changes everything.

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Speaker 3: I mean, folks, it's twelve hours later. I still get

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Speaker 3: Now at that point, you're thinking, Okay, we got this.

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Speaker 3: This is what we do. Okay, we own baseball. That's

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Speaker 3: our sport, America's pastime. And just like we saw in hockey,

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Speaker 3: we rallied in the semifinals, we rallied in the final.

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Speaker 7: We got this right.

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Speaker 3: And ultimately the US which led the World Baseball Classic

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Speaker 3: and strikeouts at the plate, the hitters just couldn't deliver.

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Speaker 4: They watched Venezuela.

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Speaker 3: You know, sacrifice fly, get on base, you do the

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Speaker 4: And here's the call for the three two victory. Joe

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Speaker 7: The best seas.

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Speaker 8: For a team that was carrying a country a World

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Speaker 3: Title, has great stuff from Joe Davis and carrying a country.

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Speaker 3: We're not going to get into the political ramifications of

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Speaker 3: passion and the excitement. And then afterwards Suarez talked to

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Speaker 3: Ken Rosenthal and folks, this is like an interview for

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Speaker 3: the ages. Look at the passion. Okay, look this looks

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Speaker 3: like the greatest moment of his life. This is an

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Speaker 4: We described with the spans for your country.

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Speaker 7: I mean, what can I say about this?

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Speaker 4: He's amazing and nobody believe in.

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Speaker 2: Venezuela about now we win the championship.

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Speaker 4: To it and me, it's the celebration for all the

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Speaker 7: Were not just teammate. We are family. This this damn

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Speaker 2: We are family here. That's why we plan, We.

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Speaker 9: Passion, we love because we feel that that jersey we feel.

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Speaker 7: In our country in Crown House. That's why this is

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Speaker 10: A people, as a human beings and o's of Venezuela.

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Speaker 2: Now we are the champion.

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Speaker 3: So naturally, you know, we lose three to two. We

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Speaker 3: in the ninth I believe against Otani. And it's like, geez,

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Speaker 3: how do we lose this in twenty three and twenty six?

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Speaker 4: What do we do to win it next time?

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Speaker 3: And there's all this talk, well, is there a way

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Speaker 4: Well, can you push it earlier than March?

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Speaker 3: Maybe the right after the Super Bowl in February?

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Speaker 3: And then it's like, well, people aren't warmed up, they're

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Speaker 3: coming off the all season. So ultimately, like World Baseball

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Speaker 3: Classic has been tremendous. Obviously, you know, we would love

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Speaker 4: World Baseball Classic.

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Speaker 3: We don't win it, but we were there at the

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Speaker 3: end and it was great for baseball. Spring training continues

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Speaker 3: pivot to the NFL and the failed Max Crosby trade

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Speaker 4: Now, I love this.

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Speaker 3: I read a story the one magazine I subscribe to

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Speaker 3: is The New Yorker, just a tremendous journalism, excellent stuff,

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Speaker 3: and they had an article about conspiracy theories and how

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Speaker 3: happened and with this Max Crosby trade, right, he goes

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Speaker 3: from the Raiders to the Ravens for two first round picks.

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Speaker 3: It happened on a Friday, okay, and all weekend the

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Speaker 3: Ravens were getting crushed. Why are we doing this? We

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Speaker 3: player before. We're doing this now. We just fired our coach,

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Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson wants a new contract. We didn't even make

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Speaker 3: the playoffs. What's going on? And there was a lot

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Speaker 3: of outcry about what the Ravens did. Their fans were

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Speaker 3: Max Crosby on Monday flies out to the Ravens. By Tuesday,

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Speaker 3: The head coach, Jesse Minter. Hello, by the way, Welcome

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Speaker 3: to the NFL. Jesse Minter, defensive coordinator, all your life,

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Speaker 3: first job as a head coach. Go tell Max Crosby

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Speaker 3: we saw some stuff on the MRI.

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Speaker 4: We're concerned. Huh.

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Speaker 3: Max Crosby starts panicking and next thing you know, hey,

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Speaker 3: whirlwind like ninety six hours. You know, if they still

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Speaker 3: on the Max Crosby trade that happened and then was recanted,

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Speaker 3: because if you listen to Max on his podcast, man,

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Speaker 3: listen Max Crosby on his podcast talking about the trade

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Speaker 3: that did not happen.

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Speaker 9: Like this is new opportunity whatever. And you can just

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Speaker 9: I'm like, what is there something wrong? Like I'm freaking out,

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Speaker 9: like low key deep down, I'm like I can't get

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Speaker 9: another surgery. I'm like frozen. I'm like, what the I'm livid, confused,

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Speaker 9: told him, I'm like, I'm trying to get out of here. Bro,

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Speaker 9: I wasn't supposed to be in Baltimore. And that's it,

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Speaker 9: you know what I mean. I'm meant to be a Raider.

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Speaker 9: It's still my damn core.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot there. Max Crosby interesting individual for sure. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: through a lot there, folks. That's a tough one. You

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Speaker 3: asked to get traded publicly, You go on podcasts and

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Speaker 3: do their best to ship you. You get traded, and

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Speaker 3: the new places like, we don't know any more about

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Speaker 4: Gonna send you back. And maybe he's right.

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Speaker 3: You know, it sounds very California to say, hey, I

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Speaker 4: This is where I'm meant to be. I do kind

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Speaker 3: That Max shout out for that one, but I will

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Speaker 3: say there are some some interesting things here. So for starters,

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Speaker 3: According to basically every story I've read, Max Crosby played

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Speaker 3: last season with that meniscus injury, and he was tremendous.

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Speaker 4: He was outstanding all season.

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Speaker 3: Essentially grating out as one of the ten best edge

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Speaker 3: was still elite. But now all of a sudden, the

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Speaker 3: Ravens are nervous. Oh, I don't know about the future

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Speaker 3: with this injury. It's just not everything's adding up. So

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Speaker 4: There's something else is up, something else.

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Speaker 3: Is afoot perhaps with the Ravens. Are they concerned about

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Speaker 3: An NBA insider believes that NBA players should want to

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Speaker 3: I know Windhorst a little bit through the years had

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Speaker 3: We all know Yannis is the biggest fish in free

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Speaker 5: But the level that Jokic is a multiplayer is higher.

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Speaker 6: Right, because of the passes, because of what he does,

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Speaker 6: And so yes, I agree with Brian that if you

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Speaker 6: Remember he went and played for Barcelona, Right, And there

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Speaker 6: that sort of thing. I don't think that that's true.

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Speaker 6: I think that we're just so quick. You know, there's

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Speaker 5: He's amazing. Of course you'd want to play with him.

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Speaker 6: But if you're asking me to make the comparison, I

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Speaker 5: We've seen in LA this year.

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Speaker 4: What do you want me to do? You know, like,

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Speaker 5: I mean, how could you not love this guy?

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Speaker 6: I mean you're you're choosing between the best dist of options.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's interesting.

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Speaker 3: As soon as the season ends, he pieces out he's

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you know he has his house out here

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, so anyway, it's a fun one. Luca

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Speaker 3: Rachel with the news.

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Speaker 2: No, no, this is the headline news.

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Speaker 6: So, Jason, we know Miami Dolphins have been having a

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Speaker 5: So they're tearing everything else down. But no, no, no,

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Speaker 6: Do you buy it, Jason, that he is just off

436
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Speaker 6: the table untouchable or do you think that this is

437
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,679
Speaker 6: a little bit of like, eh, the offers aren't very good, you.

438
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Speaker 5: Know, offers are running.

439
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,960
Speaker 6: Running Backs don't get as much in trade right as

440
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 6: receivers tend to. And if someone came and blew them

441
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,359
Speaker 6: away with a godfather offer, a cham would be gone,

442
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,399
Speaker 6: or do you think they are really dedicated to having

443
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Speaker 6: him work with Willis and building something.

444
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Speaker 3: I don't trust anything the Dolphins say at this boy, right,

445
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 3: and I this whole Willis thing is perplexing because he

446
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:51,240
Speaker 3: didn't get a long deal.

447
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:51,920
Speaker 4: I think it's no.

448
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,239
Speaker 3: Two years are guaranteed is pretty much it. So it's like, well,

449
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,679
Speaker 3: they're not going to do anything next year and then

450
00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 3: in two years they're going to be like a Wow

451
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,679
Speaker 3: card contender. I don't even think that's possible. So if

452
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,439
Speaker 3: you've got the chance to move off a chan.

453
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Speaker 4: I think you probably take the best of you you

454
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Speaker 4: can get, right.

455
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Speaker 6: I think there's something to the fact that they want

456
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Speaker 6: to see if Milik Willis can get it done this season.

457
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 6: It not get to the conference championship, but like it

458
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Speaker 6: is he their guy because everyone's tanking for.

459
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Speaker 5: To it, they get to it. It's a big deal.

460
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Speaker 6: Didn't work out, right, So if you can take Malik

461
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Speaker 6: Willis for a test drive and he turns out to

462
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Speaker 6: be your guy, you've got these great two first round

463
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Speaker 6: draft picks in the next draft and you can fill

464
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Speaker 6: out the rest of the team. If over the season

465
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Speaker 6: you learn he's.

466
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Speaker 5: Not your guy.

467
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Speaker 6: You're drafting a quarterback at the beginning in the next draft,

468
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Speaker 6: no matter what. So there is something to me to

469
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Speaker 6: the idea that you've got to at least give him

470
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Speaker 6: some weapons to work with. And Han is going to

471
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Speaker 6: be a real bulk of their offense, especially as they

472
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Speaker 6: figure out what's going on in corporate.

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Speaker 3: So let me just speculate. Say Quon Barkley a couple

474
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Speaker 3: of years ago goes to the Eagles, huge each force multiplier,

475
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Speaker 3: they win.

476
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Speaker 4: The Super Bowl.

477
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Speaker 3: I don't know that eight Chan had that upside, but

478
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Speaker 3: Seattle just lost Kenneth Walker. Yeah. If Seattle gave up

479
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 3: a first for eight Chan, is that the worst thing

480
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 3: in the world. I mean, basically, they're replacing Kenneth Walker

481
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Speaker 3: with a twenty four year old who, like you said,

482
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Speaker 3: made a Pro Bowl. He looks explosive as hell. I mean,

483
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Speaker 3: he's one of the faster backs.

484
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Speaker 7: In the league.

485
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Speaker 3: Maybe a first is too rich, but you just won

486
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Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. I don't see what's the harm if

487
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Speaker 3: you're a contender with a quarterback on a rookie deal.

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Speaker 4: I'm looking at the numbers.

489
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Speaker 3: Eight Chan is going to command twelve to thirteen a year.

490
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Speaker 3: Probably if you've got a cheap quarterback. I don't like

491
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Speaker 3: the Houston Texans running back situation. All these teams with

492
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Speaker 3: cheap quarterbacks should at least be kicking the tires.

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Speaker 6: No, Well, they happen, right, So the Dolphins have been

494
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 6: taking calls. Everyone knows they've been open for business, and

495
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 6: there definitely have been pursuers for a chan. They're saying,

496
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Speaker 6: we're pulling him off the table. So it's more about

497
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Speaker 6: the Dolphins than.

498
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Speaker 5: The other teams. Yeah, I kind of I get it.

499
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Speaker 6: I mean again, I do think that if someone came

500
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Speaker 6: and just blew them away with something crazy, of course

501
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Speaker 6: that's going to change the game.

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Speaker 3: So if you're Malik Willis and they trade a chin,

503
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,479
Speaker 3: you say, is the ink dry on my contract?

504
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Speaker 9: Or?

505
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Speaker 4: Can I get like? Is there anywhere else to go? Arizona?

506
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 4: I don't think as a quarterback yet.

507
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Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, the wide receiver room is definitely thirty

508
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 3: two in the league right now.

509
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 4: After trading Wattle and they dumped Tyreek Hill.

510
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, so I you know, we'll see what happens there.

511
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Speaker 6: But I get being a little gun shy of oh

512
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 6: we've got to draft another quarterback. I get wanting backup

513
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 6: plan and having willis giving him at least a shot

514
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 6: a shot and seeing what happens. All right, let's go

515
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Speaker 6: to the World Baseball Classic. You said at the top

516
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Speaker 6: of the show. The atmosphere last night, Jason was just incredible.

517
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 6: I was riveted. You know, I've been into this whole tournament.

518
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 6: It's just been so fun. Check out what happens though.

519
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 6: After all of these you know, play, everyone's crazy Venezuelan

520
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 6: and start rushing the field. Bryce Harper goes through and

521
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 6: he's higging everyone. He's care radulating everyone, and look, a

522
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 6: couple of them are old teammates, but he doesn't know

523
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 6: all these guys in the same way. And he's out there,

524
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 6: you know, sportsmanship on lock. And it caught a lot

525
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 6: of people's eye that he was willing to go out

526
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Speaker 6: and do this. You know, baseball, you don't see the

527
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 6: Yankees rushing on the field to congratulate the Dodger any

528
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 6: of them, right, so, you know, Yankees Dodgers World Series,

529
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Speaker 6: You're not seeing like the Yankees rushing out on the

530
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Speaker 6: field to congratulate the Dodgers after they win. Like, I

531
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 6: think this is nice, and it sort of epitomizes that

532
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 6: this tournament is different and not better or worse, you know.

533
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Speaker 6: I know there's the conversation earlier this week with Aaron Judge.

534
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Speaker 6: This is a better atmosphere than the World Series. It's

535
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Speaker 6: just different, right, and the love and the passion, and

536
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 6: you saw that postgame interview, like the joy is just

537
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 6: a little bit different, the emotion is a little bit different,

538
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 6: and treating it a little bit different.

539
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Speaker 5: I think. I think that's true. I thought it was

540
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Speaker 5: a very human thing to do.

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Speaker 4: I'll give him props.

542
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Speaker 3: I like Bryce Harper, So is he doing that if

543
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 3: he didn't hit the home run and he was over four, like,

544
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, someone else, I don't know, I

545
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 3: don't know, but that is good sportsman ship for sure.

546
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

547
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Speaker 6: I just think this whole tournament lifted baseball up, oh

548
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 6: for sure. Right, you had this great World Series, Dodgers win.

549
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 6: There's a lot of Dodgers fans around the world. Japan

550
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 6: is Dodgers crazy now, And you know, then you go

551
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 6: right into basically this after a short break.

552
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 5: This lifts baseball up around the world.

553
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 6: I think so many more Americans were paying attention. I

554
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 6: thought Fox Frankly did just a great job making it

555
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 6: a big deal and making it feel really big, and

556
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,479
Speaker 6: now you're having that sort of upswing maintained. And I

557
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 6: just think that the side stories around this tournament, instead

558
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 6: of just what happened on the field.

559
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Speaker 5: You know, hit some runs, that's one of them.

560
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Speaker 6: It's just sort of like, oh, great, this is nice.

561
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Speaker 5: Yeah exactly, So I like that a lot.

562
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Speaker 6: All Right, Reports out of Minnesota say that Kevin O'Connell

563
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Speaker 6: has pitched Kyler Murray on the potential of being the

564
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Speaker 6: long term starter for the team. Kyler's agent said that

565
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Speaker 6: with the plan, Minnesota should be able to you know,

566
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Speaker 6: they want to prioritize winning, so they're gonna sign a

567
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 6: one year deal, hope for a long term landing spot.

568
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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: What does it say about JJ McCarthy, Jason, We've been

570
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 6: talking about this all week.

571
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Speaker 4: I don't know this. It's not good j J McCarthy.

572
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 3: Listen, this is gonna be a long off season for him,

573
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 3: Like he needs to lock in. As the kids saying,

574
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 3: there's no room for air here. Pitching Kyler is the

575
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Speaker 3: long term starter.

576
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Speaker 4: I don't see him now.

577
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 6: Look O'Connell's been a quarterback whisperer, right, Look at all

578
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 6: the guys who he's rehabbed, right careers, guys.

579
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Speaker 5: He's made good. So I think that if he.

580
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Speaker 6: Thinks JJ McCarthy, isn't it I think that tells you

581
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Speaker 6: a lot about J.

582
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's probably over right, just that just.

583
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Speaker 6: That you know, look, sometimes it's the organization fails the quarterback.

584
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Speaker 6: Maybe the quarterback failed the organization here, or maybe just

585
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 6: you know, they misjudged it didn't work out.

586
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 5: But I think the fact that.

587
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 6: It's O'Connell who appears to be ready to move on

588
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,959
Speaker 6: if it can work out, I think that carries more

589
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 6: weight with me than if it was just someone else.

590
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 3: Well, so, Rachel, how much of this is trying to

591
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 3: protect his job because we know that GM pretty much

592
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 3: decided that's our guy.

593
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Speaker 2: We don't want.

594
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 4: Donald, we don't want to pay him that money.

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00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, well there's a power struggle in that building too.

596
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Speaker 3: The last season, it sounds like maybe O'Connell got the memo,

597
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 3: hey man, you got to deliver the season or you're gone.

598
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 8: Now.

599
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 3: I don't agree with that. I think you got to

600
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 3: let things bake. Yeah, tough times in Minnesota. Anthony Edward's

601
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 3: down on the shelf for at least two weeks.

602
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 4: Yep, right ahead of the playoffs.

603
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 3: You got a quarterback controversy, Sam Darnold, you watch it

604
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 3: win the Super Bowl.

605
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 4: I know my buddy over at Fox.

606
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 3: Sports Radio, Scott Shapiro's definitely cresfallen over this, like this

607
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 3: is not good.

608
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 4: I mean Kyler Murray have you seen him the last

609
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Speaker 4: two years?

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Speaker 6: Look again, O'Connell has rehabbed several guys reputations himself went

611
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 6: on to win a Super Bowl. I mean Stafford, There's

612
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 6: been a bunch of guys that he has really worked with.

613
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 5: And made better.

614
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 6: Clearly, they wouldn't have brought Murray in if he didn't

615
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 6: think I know how to use this guy differently than

616
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 6: Arizona did. Yes, he has physical limitations, but I can

617
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 6: build an offense around that, as opposed to trying to

618
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 6: stick him in the middle of a different you know,

619
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Speaker 6: the offense I want to run.

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Speaker 5: So we're gonna see.

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Speaker 6: I mean, this is a great test for O'Connell. Are

622
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Speaker 6: you really the quarterback whisperer?

623
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 3: Yeah?

624
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 6: Because oh it didn't work with JJ, You've done so

625
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 6: much with Kyler Murray.

626
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Speaker 5: I guess it was JJ.

627
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 6: Or if Kyler Murray turns out to be the guy

628
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 6: he was in Arizona. Still, then it's like, oh, maybe

629
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Speaker 6: you lost your touch. That's a good point. Let me

630
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 6: ask Rach.

631
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Speaker 3: You know this, So Kyler Murray was dumped by the Cardinals.

632
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 3: How many teams were interested? Was anyone else?

633
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 4: Like, that's our guy, that's our savior.

634
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 3: I mean, Miami could have got him for nothing, Atlanta

635
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 3: could have got him. I know they went after Tua. Yeah,

636
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 3: but there were several teams that Jets need a quarterback.

637
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 3: Nobody else was interested Inler Murray. I don't know what

638
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 3: that says. Is that Kevin O'Connell's seen something, or is

639
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 3: that like, hey, we can get this guy for the minimum.

640
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 4: Let's do it.

641
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think that other teams would have

642
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 6: brought in Kyler.

643
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 3: Murray's backup, and he wanted a chance to start.

644
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 5: He wanted a chance to start. What about it, We

645
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 5: don't know, by the way, we don't know for sure.

646
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 6: It's the we're getting indications, right, so I'm sure in

647
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 6: training camp we'll see how the guys do. But it's

648
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 6: certainly there's an indication that Kyler has a running lead here.

649
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 3: The way he wouldn't he over the playbook kit just

650
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 3: curious unlikely anyways.

651
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 4: All right, Raza with the news.

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Speaker 7: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.

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Speaker 2: The Herd Line News.

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Speaker 3: All right, very juicy story in college football regarding Jersey's retirement.

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Speaker 4: You're gonna love this.

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Speaker 3: Matt Liinert stops by next the superstar from USC to

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Speaker 3: talk all about it.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 3: All right, our next guest is a college football superstar,

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Speaker 3: a legend.

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Speaker 4: Folks.

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Speaker 3: You don't realize how big of a deal this is.

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Speaker 3: My wife was out to dinner with some ladies and

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Speaker 3: they go, oh my gosh, look who's at the next table.

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Speaker 3: It's Matt Linert And I was like, oh, I know him.

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Speaker 3: We're friends. My husband plays basketball with him.

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Speaker 4: And they were, oh my goodness.

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Speaker 3: So let's bring on Matt Liinert, the USC football legend

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Speaker 3: thirty seven and two record with the Trojans, also a

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Speaker 3: great recruiter for our men's basketball team. We won the

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Speaker 3: championship last night, Liner dinged up. Got to get that

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Speaker 3: calf healthy for next season.

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Speaker 10: Buddy, Well, first of all, thanks for the intro. I

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Speaker 10: want to say this, dude. We are champions. We woke

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Speaker 10: up today both basketball champions, the Gray Foxes. Two out

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Speaker 10: of three seasons we won, and we will hang the

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Speaker 10: banner once again in the Bay Club here in the

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Speaker 10: South Bay. I do apologize for not making it uh

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Speaker 10: last night. I did pop a calf A month ago.

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Speaker 10: I was down and out. But the team that you built,

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Speaker 10: Ja Mack, the team you built, the general manager of

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Speaker 10: the year. You built this team so that we had depth.

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Speaker 10: We picked up some key players, everybody knew their role,

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Speaker 10: and we won another championship. And I'm so fricking pump dude,

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Speaker 10: Like it's it's one of my greatest accomplishments at this

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Speaker 10: point in my life. Now is getting a chance to

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Speaker 10: lace him up with you and you're your producer. Was

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Speaker 10: just asking me, is J Mack actually good in basketball?

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Speaker 10: And I said, I said, he will surprise you. He's

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Speaker 10: a pesty little defender and he will shoot.

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Speaker 7: He will shoot the hell out of the ball.

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Speaker 10: So congratulations to you, buddy, Congratulations to you man.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's get to the real story, and that's obviously,

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, waves.

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Speaker 4: On your podcast.

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Speaker 3: So you got a podcast with Jerry Ferarra, you know

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Speaker 3: of Ontourage Fame. It's called Throwbacks, and you talked about

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Speaker 3: Jersey retirements. I'll let you explain and then I'll fire

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Speaker 3: away the questions go ahead.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, So, well, for I think this got kind of

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Speaker 10: take it out of context, and let me just give

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Speaker 10: you the context. So I'm on the pot with Jerry

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Speaker 10: and we're talking about Mike Evans going to the forty

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Speaker 10: nine ers. Mike Evans worse number thirteen, Brock pretty worse

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Speaker 10: number thirteen, And Jerry was like, as a as a

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Speaker 10: sports fan, He's like, dude, do you think Mike would

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Speaker 10: ask Brock for.

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Speaker 7: Like, do you think he'll sell the number? All this

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Speaker 7: kind of stuff.

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Speaker 10: And we actually FaceTime Larry Fitzgerald because Larry wore eleven

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Speaker 10: when I was coming into the league, and I wanted

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Speaker 10: to be eleven and I ended up being seven for Arizona.

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Speaker 10: That's how this whole thing sparked. And then I was like, oh,

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Speaker 10: when I think about it, man, USC has approached me

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Speaker 10: in the past if I would ever unretire my jersey

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Speaker 10: for a big recruit. I'm not going to name names

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Speaker 10: or the years. And I said exactly what I said.

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Speaker 10: I said, dude, absolutely not. I'm not going to ever

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Speaker 10: let anyone wearing my jersey other than my boys.

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Speaker 7: It was Cole at the time.

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Speaker 10: Now it's Case and Cannon if they ever go play

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Speaker 10: football USC Gray. I think what and I clarified this.

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Speaker 7: I sent out to you.

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Speaker 10: What I think people were thinking is like LinkedIn. In

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Speaker 10: the last four or five years, they've come to me

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Speaker 10: and I've said no, so that that hasn't happened.

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Speaker 7: This is, this is, this is.

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Speaker 10: It must have been a slow news cycle yesterday, dude,

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Speaker 10: this was getting picked up. So, just to clarify, Lincoln

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Speaker 10: and the staff haven't asked me in the last four

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Speaker 10: or five years. I did say though, I wouldn't give

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Speaker 10: it up to some kid who's making two or three

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Speaker 10: million dollars who's probably going to transfer in a year

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Speaker 10: or to anyway. But it's been it's been pretty funny.

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Speaker 10: I feel like everybody's on the side of holding strong

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Speaker 10: and keeping your number sacred. But uh, yeah, man, that's

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Speaker 10: kind of what happens.

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Speaker 7: So it's really not a big deal. Uh.

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Speaker 10: You know, I got a lot of love for usc.

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Speaker 10: These were funny conversations. They did happen in the past,

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Speaker 10: and I kind of laughed. I said, dude, there's no

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Speaker 10: chance I'm going to unretire my number.

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Speaker 3: So and you're not on with the current nil era.

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Speaker 3: Some guy can want your number and then he bounces

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Speaker 3: in a year you know where he's been.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, uh, and then and then he quits.

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Speaker 3: So but let me ask, what if a guy comes

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Speaker 3: in two year starter Awesome, he's ready for the final year,

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Speaker 3: and he says, I want to honor Liner wear that

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Speaker 3: for my final year.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna win the Natty, I'm gonna win the Heisman.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that he'd want to change his number,

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Speaker 3: and it's all circumstantrable.

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Speaker 4: Is that a scenario where you'd consider it?

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Speaker 10: Listen, if his name is Kasin or Cannon Liner, absolutely yeah, listen, yeah,

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Speaker 10: I look, I mean, I'm holding strong.

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Speaker 7: That's my belief.

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Speaker 10: People can disagree or agree with me. That number is one.

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Speaker 10: It was my number growing up in baseball and everything

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Speaker 10: I played all my kids, Like, I don't know, I

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Speaker 10: think Cole's gonna try and be eleven this year at SMU.

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Speaker 7: I'm not sure.

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Speaker 10: Obviously, at some point you kind of have to earn

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Speaker 10: and you can get to pick as you get older.

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Speaker 10: But it's an important number and it represents what we

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Speaker 10: were able to accomplish at USC, you know, So it's

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Speaker 10: it's it's a pretty cool to have your number retired

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Speaker 10: at a place like USC.

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Speaker 7: I'm proud of it.

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Speaker 10: I'm proud of those teams that I was a part

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Speaker 10: of and winning those titles. But I mean, listen, I'm

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Speaker 10: gonna I'll die on the hill. If it's a liner

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Speaker 10: last name and they want to rock eleven, go for it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. No, I think a lot of people are with you.

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Speaker 4: It makes sense.

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Speaker 3: Hey, let me quickly what we got to ask you about.

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Speaker 4: The upcoming draft.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, you were a great quarterback in college translated went

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Speaker 3: to the pros.

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Speaker 4: You saw a lot of Mendoza on big.

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Speaker 7: Neon kicks off.

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Speaker 4: I'm just curious your thoughts on him heading into the league.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I love Fernando.

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Speaker 10: I think it's interesting, right, this is the time of

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Speaker 10: the year where you start breaking down these guys and

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Speaker 10: really you're looking at Fernando and you're looking at Ty Simpson,

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Speaker 10: probably the only two first round quarterbacks at least where

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Speaker 10: we sit today. I think the thing with Fernando one,

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Speaker 10: when you look at the physical skill set, he's a

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Speaker 10: lot bigger than you probably think, like he's every bit

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Speaker 10: of six four sixty five two twenty. He can run,

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Speaker 10: He's got a really good arm. He can make all

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Speaker 10: the throws. I think there's one one trait in the NFL,

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Speaker 10: like you have to be accurate. You have to be

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Speaker 10: insanely accurate. I don't care if you have an absolute

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Speaker 10: cannon or you have.

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Speaker 7: An average arm. You have to be able to fit

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Speaker 7: the ball wherever you need it. He can do that.

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Speaker 10: Also from a mental standpoint, I just think he understands

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Speaker 10: and can see the game mentally, which is another big part.

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Speaker 10: I think if you can understand defenses and you can

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Speaker 10: digest and you can learn an offense and system and

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Speaker 10: then learn how to what the defense is going to

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Speaker 10: do to you and all of these things and play

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Speaker 10: at that level, I think that's what stands out to him.

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Speaker 10: You know, he's probably going to go to the Raiders.

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Speaker 10: Obviously they don't have a great rothster. I think they

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Speaker 10: definitely improved over free agency. I love Clint Kubiak. A

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Speaker 10: quick story here. You know, I played for Gary Kubiak

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Speaker 10: in Houston, and I've always said this, like that offense

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Speaker 10: is is the Shanahan offense. It's that kind of tree,

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Speaker 10: the McVeigh, all of those where you can kind of

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Speaker 10: plug and play quarterbacks. So I'm actually really excited to

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Speaker 10: see Fernando if he does right, to go to play

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Speaker 10: in that system where they just revive Sam Darnold right

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Speaker 10: up in Seattle. Go in that system and try and

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Speaker 10: get the best out of Fernando. It's just such a

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Speaker 10: quarterback friendly offense. And Clint Clint was gosh twenty years

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Speaker 10: old running around at the Texans facility when I was there,

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Speaker 10: you know. So I'm excited for that for that marriage.

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Speaker 10: I think Fernanda is going to be a really good

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Speaker 10: pro Simpson.

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Speaker 3: Everybody's divided on mel Kiper had him first round, Daniel

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Speaker 3: Jeremiah did not.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, have you seen enough of him?

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Speaker 3: The Alabama quarterback who really struggled the last time we

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Speaker 3: saw him against Indiana.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean I think there's a couple of games

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Speaker 10: down the stretch there where I would just say this,

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Speaker 10: the receivers underperformed this year. For them. They had virtually

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Speaker 10: no running game. I mean they couldn't run the football.

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Speaker 10: And you're playing in the SEC. There's a lot of pressure.

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Speaker 10: And we said it on Big New every week, like

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Speaker 10: whenever we.

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Speaker 7: Talked about them.

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Speaker 10: It's like, this dude's got so much pressure on him

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Speaker 10: to single handily will this team to wins.

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Speaker 7: And that's what he was able to do.

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Speaker 10: In the SEC when you're playing against great defenses and

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Speaker 10: really good football teams. So you know, he's not the

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Speaker 10: biggest guy. I remember meeting him out of the league

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Speaker 10: eleven when he was there in our neck of the

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Speaker 10: woods back in the day. I love his demeanor, I

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Speaker 10: love his leadership. He's a ballplayer, he loves football. He's

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Speaker 10: not the biggest guy. But I'll tell you what, Like

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Speaker 10: he can make some throws that are like NFL throws

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Speaker 10: and windows that are NFL throws. So he's an interesting

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Speaker 10: one because he's not gonna jump out with all the

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Speaker 10: intangibles and the physical and all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 10: But you turn on the tape, there's a lot of

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Speaker 10: good stuff there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the great Matt Liner. Check out his throwbacks podcast.

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Speaker 3: Thanks a lot, Matt, enjoy enjoy the summer.

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Speaker 7: Hey, figure out I'm being a champion.

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Speaker 1: J Mac.

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Speaker 7: Thanks you the man, Bro.

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Speaker 3: Matt Lioner just a great human being. Rachel, I saw

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Speaker 3: you nodding a lot. You're in agreement with this jersey number.

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Speaker 4: This became like a huge You texted me after the show.

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Speaker 4: I did you see this? Sounds like that's a great topic.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I was angry. I was actually angry.

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Speaker 6: First of all, I know Matt, Matt is amazing and

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Speaker 6: just you know, he deserves every bit of respect he

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Speaker 6: has earned it. But also retiring someone's jersey, the only

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Speaker 6: thing that is is saying that no one can have

874
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Speaker 6: their number anymore. It's not like a side effect of

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00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 6: some other honor, like this is it.

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00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 5: This is the honor.

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Speaker 6: You are saying you did so well here. You were

878
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 6: such a part of what this school is. Nobody should

879
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 6: ever wear this again.

880
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 5: That's the thing. If you don't see that way, don't

881
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Speaker 5: retire the number.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, because this isn't just like a prize that comes

883
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 6: along in a cracker Jacks box, like, oh no, you

884
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 6: got the cracker jack already, So like, give us that

885
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 6: prize back.

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Speaker 5: This is it, this is the honor.

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00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 3: I know some people are like, well, what happens when

888
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 3: they run out of numbers for quarterbacks?

889
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 7: What do you do?

890
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Speaker 3: That's in like eighty years? Okay, let's settle down. Retirement

891
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 3: is it's hallowed. You're a legend. I mean, how many

892
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Speaker 3: I don't know how many quarterbacks have had their number

893
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 3: retired at USC.

894
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 4: It can't be many, but.

895
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Speaker 5: They're a pretty impressive list, right.

896
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 3: Exactly, Carson Palmer or Matt like like legends, you got

897
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 3: to really prove it. He did, and yeah, I'm not

898
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Speaker 3: giving up my number for it. I mean if, like

899
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Speaker 3: you said, if his kid or kids, you know, he's

900
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Speaker 3: got young, young kids and son's going to ask MU.

901
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Speaker 3: But I don't have my jersey retired in anything. Do

902
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 3: you have a jersey retired in anything?

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00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 7: No?

904
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Speaker 6: Come on, Maybe that's why we do this job, yes,

905
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Speaker 6: because we can't really but it sounds like maybe at

906
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 6: the Bay Club you're gonna have your jersey retirem Matt

907
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 6: talking you up there?

908
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 4: I like that?

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00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 3: Coming up next, speaking of retirements, So NCAA tournament official

911
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Speaker 3: kicks off.

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Speaker 4: Tomorrow.

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00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 3: Yes, Texas hit a game winner, and congrats to Howard

914
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 3: a really impressive win last night. But tomorrow the tournament begins.

915
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 3: So I'm trying to rank my top five players in

916
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 3: the twenty. It is extremely difficult. We had to leave

917
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 3: off some really awesome players.

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Speaker 4: I mean Braden Smith.

919
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 3: Who's going to pass Bobby Early for the most assists.

920
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 4: Ever, he didn't make the list. Guys, He's an amazing

921
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 4: point guard, great career.

922
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Speaker 3: So top five players in the NCAA tournament that is

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Speaker 3: next here on the Herd