WEBVTT - Conversations That Get Too Cultural 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:02.400 What's up? 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:05.320 And welcome back to another episode of No Sellings Podcast 0:00:05.440 --> 0:00:08.880 with your host, Now fuck that with your loaw glasses, Malone. 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:15.400 What's crazy is we should have made Mac do it, 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:18.280 but I know Mac don't have like, uh. 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:20.560 No interface no he's doing and then you know he 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:22.759 all about his appearance. He's been like, man, I ain't 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:24.600 been to the barber, I ain't got my hair done. 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:26.960 I got to get my hair braided. Every time I've 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:28.880 been about to do something with Mac, it's always been there. 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:30.840 I don't have them on the show as far as 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:33.040 calling in and stuff like that, but I ain't never 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:35.720 been able to get him to sit down. He always 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:36.519 got to have it perfect. 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:39.880 What the best thing about No Silings is we still 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:42.440 don't have a visual component outside of the stream. So 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:45.440 that's why I always tell people like nobody gonna see you, bro, 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:48.400 like I don't really care about the visual component, and 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:51.839 it does slow the marketing down for those seilings, you know, 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:56.080 maybe especially over this last twelve months, like you know, 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:00.760 the type of content we've been making, we probably would 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:04.560 have been ten times bigger podcast. But I'll be so 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:06.840 much into the visual I've always been more into the 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:09.840 visual component than even before I understood what music and 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:10.360 hip hop. 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:14.200 Yeah, especially nowadays, man, because you ask the average person 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:15.959 with a podcast, it was the last thing they think 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:18.240 about us, the audio. You know when I figured that out, bro, 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:21.040 The way I figure and it's a different audience for sure. 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:22.880 The way I figured out that there was a different 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:26.760 audience is lately I've been just going I might go 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:29.000 two or three weeks without putting up a whole video, bro, 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:30.800 because you know, we concentrated on this end of the 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:34.600 season right now, right and I have people to steal 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:36.560 what's going on with the podcast. I ain't seen y'all 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:37.959 drop an episode. I was like, don't we put an 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:40.040 episode out every week? That's because they not listening to 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:43.839 the audio. A lot of people think video is podcasts, Yeah, 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:44.920 a TV show. 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:49.240 Do you think it says something about everybody intellect like 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:51.160 going from something you can see to something you can 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:52.520 hear to something you have to read. 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:56.720 I don't know, bro, but I will tell you this. 0:01:56.880 --> 0:02:00.800 I heard an interesting statistic that some like sixty five 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:03.640 percent of people that look at podcasts on YouTube don't 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:06.920 even look at it. They listening to it. But YouTube 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:09.600 is just a comfortable medium. Yes, they comfortable meeting. But 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:12.000 they won't go to Apple or they won't. I wish 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:13.640 they would just come to Apple with Spotify. 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:16.040 Well, yeah, that's because you want the business. 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:19.800 Yeah, it's like dog, you know, cause it's like, man, 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:22.079 you know, you figured, like this shit, some of our 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:25.080 episodes be hitting one hundred and fifty twenty thousand people up. Like, man, 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:26.799 you know how lick we would be if we had 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:29.920 them people in addition to what we're getting already. We shit, 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:32.840 we'd be the big boys. But I just think it's 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:35.079 that's a conference zone with people. You gotta remember, though, 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:38.200 the average person got seven apps on their phone, right, 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:41.639 they don't want to download an eighth. They just don't 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:43.880 want to sow what they can do with the thing 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:47.040 about YouTube, I don't even y'all do have the YouTube 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:49.280 app of my phone, but the average person just go 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:53.440 to the web interface, you know what I'm saying, and 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:55.800 just listen to it like that. They don't really be watching, bro, 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:56.400 they listen. 0:02:57.280 --> 0:03:00.560 I ain't really ever said this to you, but I'm 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:03.800 really proud of you, man, Like you saw this wave 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:08.400 that was going becoming streaming and podcasting back in twenty fifteen, 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:12.840 and I still do not truly believe in it from 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:18.120 a West Coast perspective, because I think the brothers on 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:21.480 the East Coast be a little bit more into learning. Forgive, 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:23.760 forgive me to all the homies from the West Coast 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:27.560 that I'm not shitting on y'all, But it just feels 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:30.360 like the East Coast is war into a different artistic 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:35.120 mediums or it's just different because or I can't figure 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:38.480 out what it is that makes East Coast podcasting work 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:40.760 so much better than West Coast podcast. 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:44.280 I tell you what it is, ug and this is 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:47.560 but for me, being a Midwest Kent right, there's too 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:51.880 much stuff going on out here already, right New York. 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:54.120 When it gets cold, you can't go nowhere, So they 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:56.200 more apt to sit at home and just listen to 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:59.440 some stuff, right I would here man, you got cats, man, 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:01.600 when the car they playing music, they're not gonna sit 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:04.120 up and listen to no podcasts when they hear and 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:06.720 then out here, I notice, especially with a lot of people, 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:10.720 we really into stuff that's really minute. We like taking 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:11.520 stuff and doses. 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:13.240 Out here. We ain't gonna sit up and watch no 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:15.040 whole hour something. 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:17.159 We're not gonna sit up and listen to none past 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:20.000 ten minutes. It's too much going on, man, you. 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:24.400 Know what, And I can't talk mess about it because 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:29.360 that's me, That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I don't I'm 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:32.760 everything that I'm guilty of everything we're talking about. I 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:36.880 don't really listen to a ton of podcasts, whereas Maria 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:37.839 went off on me today. 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:41.400 Dog we was downstairs, and I'll listen to podcasts. But 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:44.679 it's funny. I'm in the urban space, so to speak, 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:47.080 with podcasts, but I don't listen to no urban podcasts 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:50.000 outside of art the stuff that we produce. Right, I 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:53.039 listened to like Joe Rogan, I listened to Ground Zero, 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:56.680 I listened to everything else. I'm more into the conspiracy 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:00.760 you feel like I'm more into the conspiracy R stuff, right, 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:03.880 And she said, but you turn that off every time 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:06.920 at night you got that phone on and the day 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:08.800 time we got the phone on, because it kind of 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:12.400 becomes background music just for your conversation. And really, what 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:15.359 she don't understand, Really, I be really just getting research 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:15.839 on stuff. 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:18.440 You know, it's so hard for women to tell you 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:20.520 they proud of you. Man. 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:22.760 My wife has never told me that, bro, Thank you man. 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:24.880 I appreciate that. Sorry, but I'm really proud of you, 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:27.279 big bro. And I'm not saying this because why you 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:31.159 don't say that. I'm just saying you saw this wave happening, 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:36.600 and I still can't say I see it on the West, 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:41.240 but I can see how much people respect my intellect 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:43.000 and my willing is to. 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:49.080 Pursue It's here, you know, shout out to the homies 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:52.039 down the road, man, you know, punning them right, playing 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:54.200 ad in them. But they do more of a stream 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:56.920 and it's more of a stream thing. But people are 0:05:56.960 --> 0:05:58.920 starting to get it out here now, and maybe that's 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:00.880 what it is in the West. Stas that to remember, man, 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:04.159 the precursor all this stuff, it's Lad. Whether people want 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:07.520 to give Blad his printator or not. I'm a dude, man, 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:09.400 even if I don't care for somebody, and not saying 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:10.920 I don't care for Lad, I don't know him well 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:14.120 enough to not care for him. But you figured him 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:16.919 catch like Alex Alonzo to do what he do with 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:21.280 Street TV. Them dudes was the precursor to kind of everything, bro, Yes, 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:25.840 especially Vlad. Two thousand, two thousand and six, Vlad had 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:29.880 launched his his uh his remember YouTube comes out in 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:33.200 two thousand and five. They was in two thousand and five, so. 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:36.880 Blad would do interviews and there'll be more DVD, you 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:39.159 know what I'm saying. And I used to let Vlad 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:40.880 come to the set. I took Glad to a couple 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:41.239 of hoods. 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:41.760 You feel me. 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:43.760 I there's if you go look at some of the 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:47.359 earliest Blad TVs, I'm probably within the first twenty you 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:49.400 know what I mean. Because I used to let him 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:51.880 come to watch. I remember My Home Boys was gonna 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:53.400 rob Blad. I was like, we don't do nothing to 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:53.880 the Homeboy. 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:54.359 You feel me? 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:56.039 Like he was, alright, he used to look out so 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:59.400 but I agree. Also, I think it's because we're in Hollywood, 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:00.400 so they there's a. 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:00.800 Lot of. 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:06.320 We just used to We've been spoiled. Like I've always 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:10.200 said this, like hip hop for us, you know what 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:12.560 I mean? And I say us because you're a West 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:14.360 Coast part You've been on the West Coast longer you've 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:16.520 been in the Midwest at this point of your life. 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:21.960 But remember, like street urban culture for us was marketed 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:26.120 through Hollywood first, like they got this very it is 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:30.280 a very shallow version of it with the film colors 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:33.600 you know what I mean with the film. 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:34.400 Boys in the Hood. 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:36.920 You got a shallow version of it where you was like, 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:40.200 this blood and crip thing that you heard about word 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:44.280 of mouth is real in Hollywood, which is crazy, right, 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:46.880 because Hollywood, when you think about it, made it real 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:50.680 for them. They was like, oh, it is blue versus Red. 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:57.000 No Sealer's podcast. Gl My big brother still in here, Pete. 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:59.080 I called him, but I think he was busy and 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:01.720 it is last minute. But we was having a really 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:07.680 great conversation with Mac ten and talking about just the 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:11.880 history of the West Coast and different artists, and we 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:16.640 were having a really great conversation about what really what 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:20.320 became the centerpiece of West Coast culture for the rest 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:22.480 of the world, for street urban culture out of southern 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:26.400 California for the rest of the world. And I was 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:31.160 telling Mac so I was explaining this steel right, I 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:33.320 was explaining the big bro. I was explaining to him 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:37.040 that the first in session of Gang Bang, Gang Bang, 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:39.640 it starts in sixty nine with Touki excuse me, with 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:42.440 Raymond Washington and crad croduct Rest in Peace to them brothers. 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:47.160 TOOKI comes in about a year later, roughly, I understand correctly, 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:49.240 you know what I mean? The West Side cripping is 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:52.400 born a year later, Compton cripping is born two years later. 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:56.160 Inglewood cripping is right around the same time as La cripping. 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:59.760 I mean as far us on the West Side. And 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:05.320 I was explaining this still like the hip hop street 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:10.760 urban culture, like cripping is, has went through stages of culture, right, 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:14.960 and it's like the initial version. Remember Crippen started. Tookie 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:18.120 and Raymond were both born in fifty three, nineteen fifty three, 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:21.520 so cripping is in sixty nine, so you're talking about 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:27.080 sixteen seventeen year old kids. They were still emulating the 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:32.040 culture before them, the Businessman chain gang, the Avenues Sloughs, 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:36.800 in those first black street gangs in Los Angeles. So 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:39.800 the leather coats, remember they killed the brother over the 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:42.319 leather coat fight, you know, right over the leather coat, 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:44.200 hard bottom. 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:49.560 Shoes, dressing more fancy more and I hate to use 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:53.080 the word fancy, but what it was when. 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:55.920 You see OG's today, Man, if you see Og today, 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:57.560 if you see any of the brothers that like in 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:01.120 the early late fifties, early sixties, they got the fedora 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:03.000 on with the feather in it. Man, they got their 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:05.280 hard body, they got some stage. He's on some slacks 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:07.600 and the silk shirt. Yeah, and they fresh and they 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:08.280 fresh to death. 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:11.000 Remind me of Ma James. Yeah, in fact so like 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:15.520 and again it's like, but Shaw era. 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:23.280 Of street urban culture is where hip hop is built from. 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:27.840 That's the trick right where the generation Ice Tea was 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:30.920 way ahead of the curve. Like you could tell the 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:33.680 whole world wasn't ready for ice Tea. They had never 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:37.520 saw anything like iceed Tea. They never saw nothing like that. 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:40.640 Did you want to hear something? Ill shout out to 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:43.160 the homeboy Pablo. Man, you know, I don't know if 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:44.800 he knew this. I was signing the Thump Records for 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:47.240 a little bit. No, I don know, Yeah I was. 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:49.520 I was saying the Thump Ricords, my A and R 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:52.480 was this cat named Pablo, Pablo science Iced Tea. He 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:55.200 signed Ice Tea and he said that that was the 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:57.400 first artist where as soon as he met him, and 0:10:57.440 --> 0:10:59.400 before he even heard his music, he knew he was 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:00.000 gonna be something. 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:01.640 He said. 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:03.600 The dude pulled up to his office in a Porsche 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:05.840 and the way, you know, he had this girl with 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:08.960 him and he had jewelry on and he just already 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:11.200 looked the part. 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:14.800 So what h And I heard that about Ice before that, 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:19.040 But Ice, you could tell like Ice was so far 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:24.040 advanced culturally to where hip hop was that the audience 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:28.160 he understood it, like the audience couldn't understand what was 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:29.720 happening with him. And don't get me wrong, he got 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:33.080 his platinum albums, Obviously, he got his hit records, Obviously 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:35.000 he got this Hall of Fame, his first battlet of 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:42.320 Hall of Fame career. That's that's currently still going. But culturally, right, 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:49.000 your generation is the generation that truly culturally built hip hop, right. 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:52.199 And I was telling mac ten that's when we keep saying, Matt, 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:53.160 we're talking about mac Ten. 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:54.679 I was telling mac. 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:59.480 Ten that everything we're known for is built in that 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:02.319 era of guys that was born roughly from. 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:10.080 Sixty seven sixty six. M hm, maybe sixty six to 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:10.920 seventy two. 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:14.839 You know what, bro I would probably say, sixty eight 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:20.840 to seventy two, sixty six sixty six, you know what, 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:21.760 you gotta give it. 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:26.800 That maybe pushing it because I would imagine Tracy is 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:29.240 the first version is the first version of it. Shout, 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:30.960 shout out, to the big umy trad D forgive me. 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:39.640 Trad D is like the first version of y'all shit. Yeah, 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:42.360 And trad D is probably sixty six. I think Trady 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:44.160 was born in sixty six or sixty seven. 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:50.319 Trade D is an animal. Trade D does it as 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:52.280 good as it's supposed to be done, as good as 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:53.120 it can be done. 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:59.199 He's very underrated. Maybe sixty five. You think trad D 0:12:59.400 --> 0:12:59.960 sixty five? 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:03.000 No, no, I'm thinking it may be sixty five. Hold on, 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:06.800 let me make a car real quick. Let me see something. 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:08.200 Not a good question. 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:11.040 This is this is why it's dope to have these 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:19.640 cultural conversations. I'm calling pluck, calling my holder on me. 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:22.120 That pretty much raised me and the Shenanigans for the 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:30.560 most part, worrying. Watch that with you, baby, Hey, real quick, 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:36.160 I got you on my podcast. What use which era? 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:41.240 Your Your era is the beginning era of guys wearing dickies? 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:41.560 Right? 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:44.199 Or is it the guys after y'all? It got to 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:46.600 be your guy. It got to be sixty five to 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:50.040 seventy two. Guys born between sixty five and seventy two. 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:52.079 Why do you say that? 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:57.000 Because tooking them the guys born in fifty three. They 0:13:57.120 --> 0:14:02.719 wasn't really into dickies, right. They're more like hard bottoms, 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:07.360 leather jackets, really nice hats, really nice hats. Like when 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:10.800 I would see pictures and then I'm thinking about Moon, right, 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:14.120 and I'm like, I've seen pictures of Moon. Moon was 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:16.240 more fresh, you know what I mean, like kind of 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:19.080 and I mean he might have had that baller swag. 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:20.480 But I think your era. 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:22.640 The reason I was saying this is because I was 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:27.560 telling Mac ten y'all era defined street urban culture or 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:29.800 cripping the way the way the rest of the world 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:31.840 knew it, not the era before y'all. 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:36.040 Now that yeah, they were crips before y'all. 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:40.480 But when people think Pendleton, when people think dickies all 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:43.400 stars like taking that type of chief stuff and making 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:44.880 the fly, that's Yall era. 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:47.120 One. 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:51.920 Yeah, That's what I'm saying. So it had to be 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:52.600 yall era. 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:58.440 So I'm thinking people born between sixty five and seventy two, yeah, 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:02.440 because we was all following y'all. So the guys seventy 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:05.600 three to let's say eighty, we all following y'all. 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:12.520 Yeah, probably started probably about seventy nine eight. 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:17.360 Do you remember you remember you remember you remember fattening 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:19.520 them wearing dickies like that like when they was younger. 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:26.600 Uh, they did. They dressed more like five ones fresh yeah, 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:29.920 corroys uh. 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:35.640 Yeah, and fat is more like like fifty eight. Huh 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:39.600 like fifty nine like fast like Ice Ta yeah, because 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:40.840 that's who we remind me of. 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:47.040 Ice team, Like that's his fresh. You probably started really 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:53.240 started going hard. Uh tell about seventy eight, That's what 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:53.680 I thought. 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:55.520 All right, I mean, and I'm gonna call you once 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:59.200 were done, all right, you get what I'm saying. 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:00.320 Still, it's like. 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:07.560 It was the kids coming up right, that's probably fourteen 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:10.640 and fifteen that made dickies a thing. 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:15.200 And they had to because I'm gonna tell you, bro 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:18.920 in Ohio, we was wearing dickies, right, but I'm gonna 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:22.920 tell you what it was. You people had a tendency 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:26.280 to where they popped soul clothes, right, you feel what 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:30.360 I'm saying. So Pops he might have ten Dickie suits 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:31.800 at work, you know what I'm saying. That he worked 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:36.360 downtown on the plant right as he getting new Dickie suits. 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:37.920 I don't know if they got them through the job 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:39.720 or whatever, because I know Pops will come home, but 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:43.080 like ten fifteen new Dickie suits, Right, I got the 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:46.600 old stuff that school clothes, you feel what I'm saying. Yeah, 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:49.600 So we was wearing Dickies back then, bro, And it 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:52.040 wasn't a text more so it was you did not 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:54.840 identify people wearing Dickies as gangsters, but it was more 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:55.600 a hood thing. 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:55.880 You know. 0:16:56.360 --> 0:17:00.640 I always tell a lot of people, anybody that listened culturally, 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:04.760 that a lot of the stuff comes from the Midwest, 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:09.040 Like it's all warehouse, it's all factory stuff, and people 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:15.560 took that stuff and made it fresh. And Dickies itself, 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:18.399 you know, that ain't really what the culture is about. 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:22.199 It's the crease and the cuff in the dickies, if 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:27.040 that makes sense. Like it ain't Chucks by themselves. Everybody, 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:32.080 I would imagine most poor kids around the country, you 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:35.800 know what I mean, wore Chucks, but you know you 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:38.879 did the fat laces. That's when it became a West 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:39.400 Coast thing. 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:47.679 Yeah, for sure, La Man in eighty eight, right, everybody 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:50.800 in Long Beast is wearing Dickies, dog T shirt Dickies. 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:53.920 It was like a uniform, you know, or a wife beater. 0:17:54.720 --> 0:18:01.960 Yeah, and winter time of Pendleton penalty, know what I'm saying, 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:05.000 The penalty and the Beanie Penleman Beanie and some looks. 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:10.200 So, y'all generation is the generation that made that happen. 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:14.200 Yeah, a lot of stuff came up in my generation. 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:16.040 I like to call us the crack generation. 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:21.800 Well, because remember that that started empowering. You know, money, 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:24.719 give you a bigger voice, Oh yeah, for sure, make 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:27.119 you feel good about yourself too. I told you what 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:31.600 my biggest influence was. I came to California to play football, though, 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:33.720 but I think even more so, I came out here 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:35.640 to become like Ice T. I saw him. 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:37.720 That album cover did something to me because I remember 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:40.440 the homeboy letting me hear and I heard six in 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:43.320 the Morning, right, and I listened to the whole album. 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:45.480 We just stood outside on his stoop listening to the 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:48.480 whole album. And I looked at that album covered. Man, 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:51.080 how he had he was with his homeboy man, and 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:53.479 he had a bad brad man and this, you know, 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:55.960 I'm like, that's his money, man, and you know he 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:57.919 a ball. I'm listening to it. I'm like, man, I'm 0:18:57.920 --> 0:18:59.439 gonna go out there, man, I'm gonna get me a 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:02.480 bad like Scott Man, I'm gonna get me a bank roll. 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:04.920 I'm gonna get me a page and a silk suit 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:07.000 like you got. I'm I don't know, man, I got 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:08.040 a green silk suit. 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:10.119 Dog. I'm still trying to find that silk suit to 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:17.960 this day. Dog. A silk suit. Yeah, silk suit dog. Now, 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:22.040 that's for sure Baby Boomers. 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:25.960 So gen X, that's the exact gen gen X is 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:31.600 sixty five to eighty. Yeah, you're right outside of culturally, 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:35.840 that was the most culturally rich era when it comes 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:39.200 to street urban culture as far as the black space, right, 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:42.480 that is where yo, that's where New York. That's where 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:45.600 the teams come from. That's where the lingo, the son 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:48.400 be kid, that's where that culture comes. 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:49.600 From, you know what I mean? 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:53.159 And if you think about it, that is what the 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:56.000 world knows everybody from people born in that era, the 0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:59.720 culture that they that they really kind of created and defined. 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:03.640 Even though Crippen was started by the baby boomers, right, 0:20:04.280 --> 0:20:05.560 it wasn't really. 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:08.240 What it was until jen Next got their hands on it. 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:09.920 For sure. 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:15.040 It's probably again because dope became a thing in the eighties, 0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:18.240 so then the money, you know, could could shine a 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:18.879 light on it. 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:22.479 Man, I'm gonna tell you what dope did more than 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:28.159 anything else. G didn't nobody have nothing, especially like in Ohio. Man, 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:30.159 when they shut them factories down, a lot of people's 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:31.200 pops lost jobs. 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:33.720 You know, we asked you a question. You told me 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:38.320 that before. You told me. You know your uh uh, your. 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:41.920 Mom, husband and your pops that raised you, not necessarily 0:20:41.960 --> 0:20:44.440 your uh your other pops. 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:47.920 That you know daddies. Man. 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:54.680 Yeah, forgive me, You're forgive me. You're right, uh, Willie. 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:57.520 Now you're telling me Will lost his job? What year 0:20:57.640 --> 0:20:58.120 was that. 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:02.479 Will lost his remember? Proudly? Yeah, I do remember. I 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:07.480 do remember eighty eighty four. Was he one of the 0:21:07.560 --> 0:21:10.399 last people before the factories? Like do you remember the 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:12.720 first person? You remember that he was one of the 0:21:12.800 --> 0:21:15.200 last people because they started the year before laying people 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:17.639 off slowly. Then if you came like a thing and 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:20.800 they were, yeah, they were what it was. Wouln't nobody 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:22.680 get a phone call at home like or you're fired 0:21:22.760 --> 0:21:24.760 or letter in the mail. No, you just show up 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:26.720 for work with your lunch box and they call you. Hey, 0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:28.600 you look at your board to see where you're going 0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:30.600 that day. We need y'all over there, you see a 0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:32.879 group of people come. You hear some people and they gone, 0:21:32.920 --> 0:21:34.960 you know what I mean. My post was one of 0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:37.480 the last people in the building. He actually helped, you know, 0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:40.240 take some of the machinery apart. And I think, man, 0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:43.399 they had told him if he moved to Detroit. I 0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:45.240 think there was a it was a time. I remember 0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:47.240 we was talking about moving to Detroit for a minute, 0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:49.639 and I don't know what happened to it is we 0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:51.520 had just bought a house over there, So I don't 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:54.480 know if economically would have made since because my mama 0:21:54.960 --> 0:21:57.439 she was going to school, she was going to I 0:21:57.480 --> 0:22:00.680 think Cleveland, if I'm not correct me if I'm wrong, either, Kyle, 0:22:01.119 --> 0:22:03.040 she was one of Cleveland state dog to get her 0:22:03.080 --> 0:22:07.719 stuff for because she was a dietitian. And it's like 0:22:07.760 --> 0:22:10.000 our life had kind of changed broad for the better. 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:11.960 Once she got a job as a dietitian. She was 0:22:12.000 --> 0:22:14.879 over the whole like she was over the whole like 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:19.080 Cleveland clinic. Right, she was on the whole Cleveland clinic, 0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:21.080 right over the whole cleanic Cleveland clinic. And that was 0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:24.119 a good job, right because I remember her and her 0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:25.119 homegrew on the phone. 0:22:25.200 --> 0:22:25.919 Believe it or not. 0:22:26.000 --> 0:22:28.280 She was making I think eighteen dollars an hour, and 0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:32.560 back then that was like life changing money. And my 0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:35.040 pops had always had a gig though, because he was 0:22:35.080 --> 0:22:37.640 a dude that was always fixing on the raggedy ass car, 0:22:38.000 --> 0:22:40.439 fixing somebody's refixed rate because you remember the hood, we 0:22:40.480 --> 0:22:41.439 don't buy new stuff. 0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:45.600 Refrigerator break, You fixed that motherfucker. Well that's the cornerstone 0:22:45.600 --> 0:22:50.760 of culture, you know what I'm saying. Culture, Like most 0:22:50.760 --> 0:22:53.479 people don't know, Like Italian people called like what we 0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:57.159 call spaghetti sauce, they call that gravy. Gravy, yeah right, 0:22:57.280 --> 0:23:01.359 they and talking to Pete, shout out to Peak telling 0:23:01.400 --> 0:23:03.920 me that the inception of it is taking the old 0:23:04.040 --> 0:23:06.760 vegetables that was going bad or had just went bad, 0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:09.520 and all the spoiled stuff. Putting it in a pot 0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:11.320 is how they got spaghetti sauce. 0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:13.919 Yeah, put some posta in it, you know, because it 0:23:13.960 --> 0:23:16.440 was cheap. You know what I'm saying, feeling You ever 0:23:16.560 --> 0:23:20.320 noticed now you eat spaghetti and you get full, because 0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:21.040 that's what it was. 0:23:21.160 --> 0:23:21.320 Man. 0:23:21.359 --> 0:23:24.080 And so my pops, when he lost his job, yeah, 0:23:24.200 --> 0:23:26.600 impacted this. But my pops was always a hupster. My 0:23:26.640 --> 0:23:28.800 Pops always had a bank roll and a cigarette and 0:23:28.800 --> 0:23:29.840 a cigar in his mouth. 0:23:30.280 --> 0:23:30.840 One pocket. 0:23:30.880 --> 0:23:33.240 He had a bank roll, he had a cigar in 0:23:33.280 --> 0:23:37.120 his mouth, and the twenty two in his waist. That's 0:23:37.119 --> 0:23:37.720 what he was. 0:23:37.760 --> 0:23:39.000 You know what I'm saying to. 0:23:39.080 --> 0:23:42.800 My big brother, Camel just popped on the pot. We 0:23:42.840 --> 0:23:45.399 don't really have a We don't really have a visual 0:23:45.400 --> 0:23:50.399 component to no selings because I'm so overtly production productive, 0:23:50.920 --> 0:23:53.120 consign when it comes to what I put out visually. 0:23:53.600 --> 0:23:56.840 But this is all audio. So to bring you up 0:23:56.880 --> 0:23:59.320 the speed, big bro. He was talking to mac Ten 0:23:59.800 --> 0:24:05.760 and I was telling mac Ten. We were talking specifically 0:24:05.800 --> 0:24:08.960 about where Dre was at culturally, right, and I was saying, Dre, 0:24:09.600 --> 0:24:13.920 doctor Dre grew up at a time that Compton wasn't 0:24:14.000 --> 0:24:18.880 quite the Compton that everybody celebrated. That's he didn't grow 0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:21.680 up in that era and celebrated may not be the 0:24:21.760 --> 0:24:26.200 right word, but the era that everybody knows of Compton, right, 0:24:26.280 --> 0:24:28.960 Doctor Dre grew up in Compton. Doctor Dre is a 0:24:28.960 --> 0:24:32.679 baby boomer generation wise, right, he's the last of the 0:24:32.720 --> 0:24:37.680 baby boomer boomers in sixty three. So it's like sometimes 0:24:37.680 --> 0:24:39.520 when I think like he struggles when he talks to 0:24:39.520 --> 0:24:42.320 me about culture, how you feel about certain things is 0:24:42.359 --> 0:24:45.120 because culturally, he didn't grow up in the era that 0:24:45.200 --> 0:24:49.360 defined what we see hip hop as when especially when 0:24:49.359 --> 0:24:54.280 it comes to the West coast, right, it's like their 0:24:54.359 --> 0:24:58.720 era was more emulating the avenues, the businessmen. You know, 0:24:59.200 --> 0:25:02.119 even at last he is right, like the original crips 0:25:02.160 --> 0:25:04.679 like Tooki and Raymond are baby boomers, right, they are 0:25:05.040 --> 0:25:09.879 leather jackets, nice hats, hard bottom shoes, five oh ones, 0:25:10.840 --> 0:25:13.639 you know, like they looked at that as fresh. 0:25:14.359 --> 0:25:16.399 And y'all era, right. 0:25:16.280 --> 0:25:20.119 Which would be Gen X sixty five to nineteen eighty, 0:25:21.200 --> 0:25:25.280 that really became the phenomenon around the world. Now, they 0:25:25.320 --> 0:25:29.760 created the titles to it, and they gave it an attitude. 0:25:30.359 --> 0:25:34.160 But the thing that became a cultural phenomenon, a renaissance 0:25:34.160 --> 0:25:36.840 to say, in art and different things through the music, 0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:41.280 is the era that y'all created. How y'all took what 0:25:41.320 --> 0:25:44.160 they were doing and then they went to the next level. 0:25:44.240 --> 0:25:46.480 Now I'm not associating you. I keep trying to tell 0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:49.240 people this. They struggle to understand this. The thing that's 0:25:49.240 --> 0:25:51.560 happened in La is not It doesn't belong to gangs 0:25:52.320 --> 0:25:54.240 gangs are just a group of people. So you see 0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:57.439 the movement. But dickies is a common street thing. Dickies 0:25:57.440 --> 0:25:59.879 with a crease and chucks our standard for everybody that 0:26:00.119 --> 0:26:02.800 was poor living in this street or coach your lifestyle. 0:26:03.200 --> 0:26:05.359 It doesn't gangs didn't come up and say, hey, this 0:26:05.400 --> 0:26:09.399 is our uniform. It didn't make this. It just became 0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:13.520 something that everybody poor in the ghetto would do. And 0:26:13.560 --> 0:26:15.879 then gangs are just a movement of it. So people 0:26:15.880 --> 0:26:18.480 seeing a lot of people doing it. But Cam who 0:26:18.880 --> 0:26:21.560 you know, you wouldn't consider nowhere near a gang member, 0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:25.240 even though I would, right, But he. 0:26:25.160 --> 0:26:28.480 Dressed the same way. It's just how people dress. 0:26:28.560 --> 0:26:28.800 It was. 0:26:29.400 --> 0:26:31.600 It was the movement of people. It's like, okay, this 0:26:31.680 --> 0:26:33.800 is what's fresh if you don't got a bunch of money. 0:26:34.119 --> 0:26:38.000 And to people who add that start getting money. Do 0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:41.480 you know all the illegal means that became opportunities in 0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:44.600 the eighties, You feel me They was wearing it too. 0:26:46.119 --> 0:26:46.919 Yeah. 0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:50.000 It was just about, like you said, being fresh on 0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:53.440 a budget, you know, looking looking fresh as you can 0:26:53.760 --> 0:26:58.400 with and and like like with T shirts and khakis 0:26:58.480 --> 0:27:00.399 and all that. This it's just about being clean. 0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:04.359 You know. We prided ourselves and being looking clean, looking fresh. 0:27:05.119 --> 0:27:07.520 Even if you have money, you wasn't You wasn't trying 0:27:07.560 --> 0:27:10.520 to wear We didn't really I don't even know. We 0:27:10.600 --> 0:27:13.919 knew about no Rodale drive type clothes that ain't that 0:27:14.040 --> 0:27:16.560 was like disco clothes to us something. So we wasn't 0:27:16.600 --> 0:27:19.880 really trying to even dress like that. It was more, 0:27:19.920 --> 0:27:22.040 like you said, just looking as fresh as you can 0:27:22.119 --> 0:27:24.720 on a on a budget, which turned out to be 0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:28.960 like soldier, you know, it just it just looked I mean, 0:27:29.040 --> 0:27:31.760 I don't know, because it used to be straight legs, 0:27:32.040 --> 0:27:34.880 tight jeans. It wasn't like these leotard like like skin 0:27:35.440 --> 0:27:37.040 like what they're doing now. But they used to have 0:27:37.160 --> 0:27:43.000 like sassoon and was fitted. Yeah, it was fitted. It 0:27:43.040 --> 0:27:44.879 was it was straight leg you know what I'm saying. 0:27:44.920 --> 0:27:49.960 But it just was about being fresh. You just clean. 0:27:50.040 --> 0:27:52.280 Your shoes had to be clean. Everything had to be new. 0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:55.320 So that's even if it was kind of cheap, you know, 0:27:55.359 --> 0:27:58.800 we were still looking for for name brand cheek, name 0:27:58.880 --> 0:28:02.680 brand Pumas or or Nikes or something. 0:28:02.760 --> 0:28:07.320 They just had to be fresh. That's my favorite word. Clean. 0:28:07.520 --> 0:28:10.080 Long was that shit clean? You know what I mean? 0:28:10.240 --> 0:28:11.560 So like. 0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:16.800 I always try to explain this to people culturally, right, 0:28:17.680 --> 0:28:22.879 like culture, you know, especially in America, really always ninety 0:28:23.400 --> 0:28:26.280 ninety five percent of the time come from poor people 0:28:27.119 --> 0:28:31.640 because everybody else can adopt tradition, like'll they'll do something 0:28:31.640 --> 0:28:34.280 to celebrate something, but they have the option to do 0:28:34.359 --> 0:28:38.239 everything versus where like is it fair to say like 0:28:38.480 --> 0:28:41.880 there was a standard, like like here's the standard like 0:28:41.920 --> 0:28:44.800 where y'all grew up right in North Section, whereas like 0:28:45.240 --> 0:28:47.000 this is the standard of being clean. 0:28:48.120 --> 0:28:51.800 Yeah, clean as the majority is poor. So it's still 0:28:51.840 --> 0:28:55.880 about the majority the masses are poor. So how clean 0:28:56.040 --> 0:28:59.480 can you be on the lower class you know level? 0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:02.800 That was our status that you know, no matter where 0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:05.680 you go, Like cleanliness is golly next to goliness. The 0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:08.080 girls like if your shoes is clean, the girls like, 0:29:08.080 --> 0:29:10.520 if your your outfit is clean, you just had to 0:29:10.520 --> 0:29:10.920 be clean. 0:29:11.080 --> 0:29:12.200 You just had to be clean. 0:29:12.240 --> 0:29:15.479 Clean, had your stuff stark stuffing, see a little bit 0:29:15.520 --> 0:29:17.760 off subject. It closed in eighty two. It made me 0:29:17.800 --> 0:29:20.720 look at it dog Fisher Body. That's where my pops 0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:23.560 worked at Fisher Body. It was General Motors shut down. 0:29:23.560 --> 0:29:25.880 The eighty two seventeen hundred jobs lost. 0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:29.720 What if you look you look at the Midwest, Black Midwest, 0:29:29.760 --> 0:29:32.640 I call it black Midwest America or black Middle America. 0:29:33.520 --> 0:29:36.200 When they took away those factories, you know what I mean, 0:29:36.280 --> 0:29:38.200 and not took away that's probably not a fair word. 0:29:38.240 --> 0:29:41.840 When they decided to pursue cheap labor. You know who 0:29:41.920 --> 0:29:44.240 was the president who like it had to be some 0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:46.680 tax laws to make them rich. 0:29:46.720 --> 0:29:49.360 White people say, we didn't go pay these Reagan, that 0:29:49.440 --> 0:29:50.840 was Riggan back then, wasn't. 0:29:50.600 --> 0:29:54.760 The camp Yeah, that was Ford Gerald Ford and Carter 0:29:54.880 --> 0:29:57.400 and Reagan and stuff like that and what and what 0:29:57.480 --> 0:29:58.680 in the eighties. 0:29:58.960 --> 0:30:01.040 Early eighties, so we were talking. 0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:05.440 About these was with Jimmy Carter, Jimmy Carter, Jimmy Carter 0:30:05.480 --> 0:30:06.479 and then Ronald Reagan. 0:30:07.600 --> 0:30:08.720 The reason Jimmy. 0:30:08.880 --> 0:30:11.160 Jimmy Carter was decent. I think what it was g 0:30:11.440 --> 0:30:15.640 was the pursuit of cheap labor man because I remember, oh, 0:30:15.680 --> 0:30:18.160 you know he talked against them company shutting down. But man, 0:30:18.200 --> 0:30:20.720 it really impacted the neighborhood. Is like you said, seventeen 0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:22.840 hundred jobs, damn it. The whole hood worked there. 0:30:23.600 --> 0:30:25.760 But that's the same thing happened to Detroit at a 0:30:25.840 --> 0:30:30.480 higher thing in the bigger city. I mean, and again 0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:32.600 the reason I was saying that is because it's like 0:30:34.560 --> 0:30:37.200 when I listened, I watched this shout out to the 0:30:37.280 --> 0:30:37.920 homie cav. 0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:39.000 Mac from SIXAU. 0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:42.200 He got this really great channel cab Mac videos, and 0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:46.040 it's like to me, like being a crib is one thing, 0:30:46.080 --> 0:30:49.120 but understanding what crippen is about from his essence, so 0:30:49.200 --> 0:30:50.600 you could write it the way you want it is 0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:52.080 more important than everything you knew. 0:30:52.960 --> 0:30:55.200 Here, Bro, we should get Millie Mail to come here. 0:30:55.240 --> 0:30:58.240 He man, Yeah, but this ain't that kind of conversation. 0:30:58.520 --> 0:31:00.560 Male is supposed to come up here too. But the 0:31:00.600 --> 0:31:02.560 reason I'm saying that is because how could you say 0:31:02.560 --> 0:31:03.920 you're a crip and you don't know who the first 0:31:04.000 --> 0:31:04.520 crip is? 0:31:05.560 --> 0:31:07.440 How could you say you're a crip or say cousin 0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:09.040 you don't know where it comes from? You know what 0:31:09.040 --> 0:31:09.280 I mean. 0:31:09.320 --> 0:31:13.080 Don't get me wrong, It's innate, but eventually, like as 0:31:13.120 --> 0:31:14.920 a man, right, you want to study your family, Like 0:31:14.920 --> 0:31:16.960 wait a minute, what is this? Like I would ask 0:31:17.000 --> 0:31:18.680 pluck questions that you gotta be like, let me call 0:31:18.720 --> 0:31:19.480 on them older niggas. 0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:24.080 I question, why do crips call each other cubs? It's 0:31:24.120 --> 0:31:29.840 a dude named James. That was his name. James Cuz 0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:34.280 James Cus Robinson. That's that's crazy. 0:31:35.480 --> 0:31:39.680 When you laughing, remember these as kids. It's not somebody 0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:41.360 asked me the other day. They said glasses. So you're 0:31:41.400 --> 0:31:43.640 saying being a crip is not the most negative thing. 0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:46.640 I'm like, being a crip is standard where he comes from. 0:31:46.720 --> 0:31:49.560 It is not negative or positive. They got way more 0:31:49.680 --> 0:31:53.480 negative shit, and they got way The only positive group 0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:56.960 of black people I've ever came into contact with is 0:31:57.040 --> 0:31:59.760 not like a shout out to the brothers that that 0:32:00.040 --> 0:32:02.760 after Greek attorneities at school. But I wouldn't consider them 0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:05.360 because they too extra and boogie and they don't let 0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:09.160 all the other brothers in the only organization. And I'm 0:32:09.240 --> 0:32:11.400 not saying it because he's here. Y'all heard me say 0:32:11.480 --> 0:32:13.560 this before. Is the nation is lone. They only want 0:32:13.600 --> 0:32:15.280 her to take the worst brother and make him the 0:32:15.320 --> 0:32:17.280 best brother. That's the only thing can make you good 0:32:17.320 --> 0:32:21.880 a great for a long time across the country. Yeah, 0:32:21.880 --> 0:32:23.800 if you got to start with a nigga at here, 0:32:24.760 --> 0:32:27.120 you ain't really special. Anybody could clean up a nigga 0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:27.560 in college. 0:32:28.920 --> 0:32:29.520 You know what I'm saying. 0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:32.840 Forgive me all my the Greek brothers that listen to 0:32:32.920 --> 0:32:36.480 this podcast. But you know what I mean, Like the 0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:39.720 nigga at six, you take him to ten. 0:32:39.800 --> 0:32:42.200 You got some jobs. Nigga at usc nigga, I bet 0:32:42.240 --> 0:32:44.520 you could clean him up. How the fuck you get here? 0:32:45.240 --> 0:32:48.560 But shout out to pair Cod, shout out to Elijah Muhammad, 0:32:48.560 --> 0:32:51.200 shout out to shout out to that that pegging order 0:32:51.280 --> 0:32:53.320 of taking niggas that's at one. 0:32:54.600 --> 0:32:57.440 How you taking nigga from one to ten? You know 0:32:57.440 --> 0:32:59.800 what I'm saying. But if you take somebody from one to. 0:33:01.440 --> 0:33:05.240 Think about You've seen your whole life outside of being 0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:08.160 a brother from the community. But you ain't never been 0:33:08.240 --> 0:33:11.720 no no, no drug addict or no alcoholic to no. Really, 0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:13.480 I'm sure you didn't tried some once or twice in 0:33:13.480 --> 0:33:16.479 your life growing up. But think about the type of brothers. 0:33:16.560 --> 0:33:19.200 This thing that cleaned up that we call the nation Islam. 0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:20.680 That's crazy. 0:33:20.720 --> 0:33:23.360 You know what's crazy? See you ever know this man, 0:33:24.200 --> 0:33:26.440 when you have a homie go to prison right from 0:33:26.440 --> 0:33:30.360 the neighborhood. All the brothers that found Islam in prison 0:33:30.440 --> 0:33:34.080 came home when they stayed out of prison, Brothers that 0:33:34.520 --> 0:33:37.360 didn't seem like find Islam. It was a high level 0:33:37.400 --> 0:33:40.160 of recidive vision. They all went back. I think, man, 0:33:40.240 --> 0:33:42.600 the Nation of Islam has done a great job with 0:33:42.760 --> 0:33:45.320 reforming black men and black men in this country. 0:33:45.400 --> 0:33:46.720 Man, that's what I just said. 0:33:46.880 --> 0:33:51.320 Yeah, I said I wouldn't consider I wouldn't consider cripping 0:33:51.640 --> 0:33:57.320 anti Nation of Islam. I think it's like standard, you 0:33:57.400 --> 0:33:59.080 know what I mean. It's like you could be good 0:33:59.200 --> 0:34:01.160 or bad the game. You could be either one and 0:34:01.280 --> 0:34:04.440 can't nobody stop you. Now, I do know one or 0:34:04.440 --> 0:34:08.799 two organizations. You can't be nothing but bad, like they 0:34:09.040 --> 0:34:09.600 not going. 0:34:09.480 --> 0:34:10.239 For nothing good. 0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:12.800 And I think there's this belief when it comes to 0:34:12.920 --> 0:34:16.000 game banging that's pushing you to be bad. 0:34:15.880 --> 0:34:16.239 And it's not. 0:34:17.400 --> 0:34:19.640 I'll give I'll give my older homies a lot of credit. 0:34:19.719 --> 0:34:21.879 I'll give older homies out my whole section, whether it's 0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:25.279 from Pj's car for anybody mona red Boy shout out 0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:29.359 to allder homies, older homies. I know, Uh, if you're 0:34:29.440 --> 0:34:31.719 gonna be a great student, they're gonna push you that way. 0:34:32.760 --> 0:34:35.000 If you're gonna be a great athlete, they gonna push 0:34:35.000 --> 0:34:35.399 you that way. 0:34:37.080 --> 0:34:38.000 If I if I. 0:34:38.080 --> 0:34:41.040 Had my mind then, if I have my mind now, 0:34:41.160 --> 0:34:42.840 back then they would have paid for me to go 0:34:42.880 --> 0:34:45.480 to college, like the same thing that made me start 0:34:46.200 --> 0:34:49.040 selling dope for a time, that pursuit. I could have 0:34:49.080 --> 0:34:53.320 went to Pluck Moon Man and say, hey, man, I 0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:57.480 got accepted to a ZUSA Pacific. I can't, like, I 0:34:57.520 --> 0:34:59.680 don't know how to do scholarships. You know, my mom 0:34:59.800 --> 0:35:02.200 is prison at this time. I don't know how to 0:35:02.239 --> 0:35:05.239 fill out these papers. Man, could y'all cover my first year? 0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:10.760 I'm telling you still, people could say I'm crazy. 0:35:11.000 --> 0:35:11.920 They would have paid for it. 0:35:14.640 --> 0:35:16.680 I don't doubt that, man, because you know what, I 0:35:16.800 --> 0:35:20.840 think that standard almost man in every black community. We 0:35:21.080 --> 0:35:26.399 kind of encouraged. We kind of encouraged tailor in the neighborhoods. 0:35:26.440 --> 0:35:29.560 I know, I played football. They made sure I kind 0:35:29.600 --> 0:35:31.680 of stayed the course. You feel what I'm saying. They 0:35:31.719 --> 0:35:33.640 made sure I kind of stayed the course. Like you know, 0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:37.719 you had some homies that boxed. They made sure they 0:35:37.760 --> 0:35:39.239 stayed at the course. They made sure they was in 0:35:39.320 --> 0:35:40.239 the gym doing their thing. 0:35:40.360 --> 0:35:40.719 You had. 0:35:41.040 --> 0:35:44.239 The music wasn't around yet, but anything positive somebody was 0:35:44.320 --> 0:35:48.160 doing it was very much encouraged. Now, if the homie 0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:51.200 that boxed, he might have been the front line dude 0:35:51.200 --> 0:35:53.560 in the neighborhood too. If it's going down. He definitely 0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:57.400 getting called the dough. I had size, so I was 0:35:57.480 --> 0:35:59.400 called to go. But once I started playing for the 0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:01.840 vill it was like, no, don't call him, let him go. 0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:04.200 You know he might be something one day. Because you 0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:06.360 proud of your community, man, everybody else you see how 0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:08.560 I ain't. Man, I've been in the West Coast longer 0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:09.719 than I was in Cleveland. Man. 0:36:09.760 --> 0:36:12.200 You see, I'm still proud of Cleveland. I always go 0:36:12.360 --> 0:36:14.560 hold with the land down. That's what poverty do. It 0:36:14.680 --> 0:36:17.200 give you pride and some shit that's crazy. You'd be like, 0:36:17.280 --> 0:36:17.800 I'm proud. 0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:20.719 I go to watch I draw it around. I'd be like, man, 0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:22.839 I'm proud. I go hang out, go to the Peace store, 0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:25.719 I go get me something. I'll be standing outside like 0:36:25.800 --> 0:36:30.480 I'm in Beverly fucking Hills. Yeah, I'll be like what's 0:36:30.560 --> 0:36:32.000 up And they'd be like, what's up, Jim, And I'd 0:36:32.000 --> 0:36:33.759 be like, what's up with y'all? And well, I stop 0:36:33.880 --> 0:36:37.040 at Ace High like I love it. You know, it's 0:36:37.080 --> 0:36:38.960 something to be proud of it. Some people think of 0:36:39.040 --> 0:36:41.640 it as negative. Like I was trying to explain this 0:36:41.760 --> 0:36:43.759 to somebody, they'd be like, well, why is people I 0:36:43.920 --> 0:36:46.120 was on spaces and they said, why, why is your 0:36:46.120 --> 0:36:48.719 people proud to go to jail. I'm like, they're not 0:36:48.920 --> 0:36:51.319 proud they went to jail. They are proud that they 0:36:51.360 --> 0:36:54.200 were accountable enough to not tell on nobody and they 0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:58.040 survived this traumatic experience without their family. And you could 0:36:58.120 --> 0:37:00.759 tell that white man had never heard nothing like that. 0:37:01.160 --> 0:37:03.600 And I'm like, even if they can't articulate it, I'm 0:37:03.719 --> 0:37:07.000 telling you the source of pride. Now, there are some 0:37:07.200 --> 0:37:10.800 crazy people that can do their own thing, but I'm telling. 0:37:10.600 --> 0:37:13.000 You, I think they was proud to go through jail, 0:37:13.400 --> 0:37:14.439 not go to jail. 0:37:15.040 --> 0:37:18.200 No, No, I've heard a few people brag about being 0:37:18.239 --> 0:37:19.880 this yet man, he was only on the level one. 0:37:19.920 --> 0:37:21.640 He wasn't on a level two yard like me. I 0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:22.560 don't heard people say that. 0:37:23.080 --> 0:37:27.320 Yeah, but that's because they're saying, like, it's more traumatic 0:37:27.560 --> 0:37:29.680 in these spaces that I survived. 0:37:30.360 --> 0:37:33.000 Yeah, what you go through, it's about what you went through, 0:37:33.920 --> 0:37:36.520 not not not the fact that I'm proud to go 0:37:36.680 --> 0:37:37.120 to jail. 0:37:37.719 --> 0:37:40.160 I'm proud that I went through jail. I went through 0:37:40.200 --> 0:37:42.000 that right of passage, that manhood that. 0:37:42.120 --> 0:37:46.919 That I've even heard of. Man, the where I've heard 0:37:46.960 --> 0:37:50.239 a few homies say that when they was kids, they 0:37:50.360 --> 0:37:52.560 kind of couldn't wait to go to jail because that 0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:54.520 was like a right of passage all almost. And I 0:37:54.600 --> 0:37:55.360 think that's crazy. 0:37:55.400 --> 0:37:58.000 We programmed, but that's not a pro It's an ignorant 0:37:58.040 --> 0:38:00.800 mind that don't quite understanding what people. People are proud 0:38:00.840 --> 0:38:03.360 of being put in a situation. I would never judge 0:38:03.360 --> 0:38:06.560 a kid that he's ignorant and think that's what it's about. 0:38:07.000 --> 0:38:08.560 He don't know, you know what I mean. It's a kid. 0:38:08.640 --> 0:38:10.680 But when you get grown, that ain't some shit. Once 0:38:10.680 --> 0:38:13.880 you pass twenty, you be saying, once you get past twenty, 0:38:14.160 --> 0:38:15.480 you do not be like, yeah, I need to go 0:38:15.520 --> 0:38:17.360 to jail when you're a kid, yeah, you kind of. 0:38:17.600 --> 0:38:20.759 Your father is there, your mother's there, friends went there, 0:38:20.840 --> 0:38:22.560 so you be like, shit, well if I'm gonna go 0:38:22.600 --> 0:38:23.800 through it, I'm gonna go through it. 0:38:24.280 --> 0:38:27.080 Like you don't. You know, you're not conceding what the 0:38:27.239 --> 0:38:27.680 cost is. 0:38:28.120 --> 0:38:30.160 And it's not a fault, you know, I mean, it's 0:38:30.239 --> 0:38:33.120 just these environments were raised in where you know, people 0:38:33.239 --> 0:38:35.920 go there and you see people get a lot of respect. 0:38:35.960 --> 0:38:38.960 But now I'm giving you why the respect is the respect? 0:38:39.040 --> 0:38:42.839 The respect is because you could have told you could 0:38:42.920 --> 0:38:46.520 have chosen a less accountable path to deal with this, 0:38:47.000 --> 0:38:49.160 and you could have shamed yourself. You could have figured 0:38:49.200 --> 0:38:55.279 out a way to not have that accountability. Like, there's 0:38:55.280 --> 0:38:57.520 a couple of things that it's fair to say. Like 0:38:58.760 --> 0:39:00.920 it's fair to say Karen on if you don't take 0:39:00.960 --> 0:39:02.560 care of your kids. It's kind of found that. 0:39:03.200 --> 0:39:04.920 Like if people know you have kids, you don't take 0:39:05.080 --> 0:39:07.799 your kids, people look at you look crazy. You don't 0:39:07.800 --> 0:39:10.320 want to be known as no dead be that's universal. 0:39:11.120 --> 0:39:15.200 I don't even mess with people. I don't even miss 0:39:15.200 --> 0:39:17.239 associated with dudes who don't take care of their kids. 0:39:18.040 --> 0:39:20.359 But I'm saying I think these are things that when 0:39:20.400 --> 0:39:23.480 we have these cultural conversations, they're not talked about. I 0:39:23.600 --> 0:39:25.680 think people think that there's some kind of pride and 0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:28.440 just killing people. Like if you just around killing people, 0:39:28.800 --> 0:39:32.600 that's cool. It's not like if if you're a soldier 0:39:32.960 --> 0:39:35.520 and everybody see you a soldier in this army and 0:39:35.640 --> 0:39:38.000 y'all worn with that other army. Yeah, there's a pride 0:39:38.040 --> 0:39:40.480 in how you you live your soldier life. It is 0:39:40.520 --> 0:39:42.400 a respect for you if you out there in the 0:39:42.480 --> 0:39:44.560 middle of this war that you, your community and this 0:39:44.719 --> 0:39:48.880 other community have going on poverty makes your world shrink. 0:39:50.400 --> 0:39:52.640 I mean, like one thing I realized I could say 0:39:52.719 --> 0:39:55.319 this honestly, like growing up in our session, it make 0:39:55.440 --> 0:39:59.080 your world shrink, like shout out told Livia rest of 0:39:59.239 --> 0:40:02.440 sou My mom made sure I've seen a million things. 0:40:02.840 --> 0:40:05.040 She did not let me just be stuck in company 0:40:05.160 --> 0:40:07.720 watch I was. I had already went to Beverly Hills 0:40:07.760 --> 0:40:10.160 because she's a registered nurse, you know what I mean, 0:40:10.239 --> 0:40:13.520 doing home care for termally ill patience. I watched young 0:40:13.680 --> 0:40:16.200 gay white men, rich white young gay men dying of 0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:19.200 AIDS in the eighties. And I'm talking about real age, 0:40:19.760 --> 0:40:22.720 not the New age where everybody survived and his medicine. 0:40:22.920 --> 0:40:25.200 I'm talking about when age used to leave legions on 0:40:25.320 --> 0:40:30.760 your skin. What did it look like, g silver dollars, 0:40:30.840 --> 0:40:32.000 the size of silver dollars. 0:40:32.680 --> 0:40:35.680 Yeah, man, it was it was you know what I mean. 0:40:35.760 --> 0:40:39.280 I had AIDS first hit the community. 0:40:39.400 --> 0:40:39.520 Man. 0:40:39.560 --> 0:40:41.200 I had a cousin that died of age. 0:40:41.320 --> 0:40:41.480 Man. 0:40:41.960 --> 0:40:44.040 She got it because her husband was animophiliac and he 0:40:44.080 --> 0:40:47.560 got it from Kaiser. It was funny. It ain't funny, 0:40:47.680 --> 0:40:48.440 it was crazy. 0:40:48.560 --> 0:40:51.360 Is her husband is still alive and she died I 0:40:51.480 --> 0:40:54.600 think in ninety five ninety six, her husband still like 0:40:54.760 --> 0:40:57.160 they has a new family, that kids and everything, no 0:40:57.280 --> 0:41:01.000 trace to virus in his body. They sue Kyser gave 0:41:01.080 --> 0:41:03.560 them three million dollars, which I thought was a crime. 0:41:04.040 --> 0:41:06.359 I was like, three million dollars, y'all have ruined their life. 0:41:07.239 --> 0:41:09.760 It really messed with her, like she refused treatment and everything. 0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:12.760 She couldn't just get past it, you know. But her husband, 0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:16.040 he had whatever he did man. Actually, Kim, I think 0:41:16.080 --> 0:41:20.240 he might have joined the nation, m change his everything, 0:41:20.400 --> 0:41:22.320 man and just wanted to live, you know. Tried to 0:41:22.400 --> 0:41:24.920 get her to make some change. She wasn't having it. 0:41:25.280 --> 0:41:28.239 I don't want to make this a commercial for the nation. 0:41:30.239 --> 0:41:32.279 I'm not saying this because you're here. You know me. 0:41:32.680 --> 0:41:34.440 You know I don't do I don't give nothing, big bro. 0:41:34.840 --> 0:41:35.520 I love you you. 0:41:35.680 --> 0:41:37.600 My heart is soul nod. But I ain't telling you 0:41:37.760 --> 0:41:41.600 nothing extra or somebody don't believe man with them brothers 0:41:41.680 --> 0:41:42.000 is able. 0:41:42.160 --> 0:41:47.080 What they know about food and stuff matters. And it's crazy. 0:41:47.200 --> 0:41:49.640 How I remember I was asking Kim on the like how. 0:41:49.640 --> 0:41:51.080 Did they do it? He like glasses, They do it 0:41:51.160 --> 0:41:55.080 through your diet, and I thought that was so crazy, 0:41:55.880 --> 0:41:57.680 Like how are you gonna fix everything through y'all. 0:41:57.840 --> 0:42:02.799 He ain't lying like you would think. How we eat 0:42:03.239 --> 0:42:04.359 in them communities. 0:42:05.080 --> 0:42:06.960 It is not the source of a lot of our 0:42:07.400 --> 0:42:10.239 It is the source probably of about eighty percent of 0:42:10.320 --> 0:42:10.960 our problem. 0:42:12.680 --> 0:42:15.839 More than that. Ninety ninety up ninety plus ninety plus. 0:42:16.160 --> 0:42:19.680 About this, Think about this. When you went to next Delhi, 0:42:19.840 --> 0:42:23.239 that was the corner liquor store in my neighborhood. You know, 0:42:23.440 --> 0:42:25.719 Deli's back then had the actual deli department that where 0:42:25.719 --> 0:42:27.600 you can go get a dollars worth of bolognay, dollars 0:42:27.680 --> 0:42:30.200 worth of sauce meat and all that they sold. Pigs 0:42:30.280 --> 0:42:32.560 eating the jar. It's probably been sitting in the jar 0:42:32.760 --> 0:42:35.279 for a whole year or whatever, you know. 0:42:35.239 --> 0:42:37.359 What I'm saying, And people still ask here for mile 0:42:37.600 --> 0:42:40.600 on Wilmington and the larger pig feet. 0:42:40.840 --> 0:42:41.759 You know, you're eating all that. 0:42:41.840 --> 0:42:44.680 Type of stuff. I don't even know what sauce meat 0:42:44.880 --> 0:42:46.719 was to this day, both but I know it tasted good. 0:42:46.800 --> 0:42:54.120 Was some crackit kill That house sounds meat. So what 0:42:54.200 --> 0:42:54.960 I want to tell me? 0:42:55.360 --> 0:42:59.000 What I want to ask you, big bro. It's gonna 0:42:59.000 --> 0:43:00.640 be an odd question for you, but you're the right 0:43:00.719 --> 0:43:02.560 person to ask all right. 0:43:04.680 --> 0:43:04.839 Now. 0:43:05.280 --> 0:43:08.319 Obviously we still got to deal with the level of poverty, right, 0:43:08.480 --> 0:43:14.640 limited resources, the oppression. Right, Where do you think culturally 0:43:15.239 --> 0:43:19.000 things went wrong? Now this is gonna sound crazy because 0:43:19.000 --> 0:43:21.200 it's such a broad question. Obviously you can have the 0:43:21.239 --> 0:43:23.160 traditional white but or they should have never sold judge. 0:43:23.200 --> 0:43:26.279 But you understand how poor people get. They can't see 0:43:26.320 --> 0:43:27.560 the future, they can't see the curve. 0:43:27.600 --> 0:43:28.680 They didn't know what was gonna be what. 0:43:29.400 --> 0:43:33.759 But not having today's mind, but put yourself back in 0:43:34.440 --> 0:43:37.360 you know, when you're you know, fourteen to fifteen in 0:43:37.400 --> 0:43:41.000 the mid eighty sometimes right, Or do you think something 0:43:41.040 --> 0:43:45.440 went wrong like culturally for this La Street urban culture. 0:43:47.000 --> 0:43:51.680 I think it was always wrong because of the lack 0:43:51.760 --> 0:43:57.120 of information education, you know that like trades and all that. 0:43:57.160 --> 0:43:58.600 Once they start getting rid of. 0:44:00.080 --> 0:44:03.160 Know self self sufficient, you know, stuff to make us 0:44:03.160 --> 0:44:06.320 self sufficient where we can actually make a living for ourselves. 0:44:08.680 --> 0:44:11.759 So not not how we were targeted, because I you know, 0:44:11.880 --> 0:44:15.279 I'm a more specific. So where did we choose to 0:44:15.360 --> 0:44:19.120 go wrong? Is that what you mean? I think. 0:44:20.520 --> 0:44:23.640 If one thing that we was like because you you 0:44:23.920 --> 0:44:29.120 saw it, you saw's happened you all some of these 0:44:29.160 --> 0:44:34.880 things happen they you saw the cultural things happen. So 0:44:35.200 --> 0:44:38.160 you're a part of the choice, not game game banging 0:44:38.239 --> 0:44:41.680 is pre pre you is Boomer era, right. 0:44:41.600 --> 0:44:43.160 This this Jenet come out. 0:44:43.640 --> 0:44:46.560 Where do you feel like, Yeah, we could have made 0:44:46.600 --> 0:44:48.440 the right, We should have made the left when we 0:44:48.520 --> 0:44:51.000 made the right right here culturally. 0:44:51.920 --> 0:44:55.319 That we had we had control, not not the things 0:44:55.360 --> 0:44:58.400 that happened to us, but that we had control. Not 0:44:58.600 --> 0:45:00.719 making this a commercial for the nation. 0:45:01.520 --> 0:45:05.120 But you know in the in the sixties when when 0:45:05.480 --> 0:45:09.000 the black consciousness and unity was really going strong and 0:45:09.120 --> 0:45:12.440 we was we was you know, separating so to speak, 0:45:12.560 --> 0:45:15.080 meaning building our own like how we had pressure out 0:45:15.120 --> 0:45:17.759 of slavery with Rosewood and Black Wall Street, like we 0:45:17.880 --> 0:45:21.200 was getting back to that through the nation. But then 0:45:22.400 --> 0:45:24.200 you know, it was a it was a new agenda 0:45:24.480 --> 0:45:30.239 of uh drugs and free pre se x like in 0:45:30.320 --> 0:45:33.400 the seventies. There's a lot of stuff that the the 0:45:33.520 --> 0:45:36.440 so called governmental aspects of the government of FBI or 0:45:36.760 --> 0:45:40.759 jager Hoover that they started offering to us in the 0:45:40.880 --> 0:45:43.720 form of welfare and wick and whatever. 0:45:43.840 --> 0:45:47.560 You know, they saw. So you saw that, Yeah, so 0:45:47.680 --> 0:45:51.080 you can remember a time when that wasn't wait a minute, yeah, 0:45:51.280 --> 0:45:54.120 you might be to remember a time that wasn't a thing. 0:45:55.320 --> 0:45:59.160 Yeah, I remember real black family structures, you know what 0:45:59.200 --> 0:46:02.759 I'm saying. I remember, you know when there was it 0:46:02.880 --> 0:46:05.040 was jobs, you know what I'm saying, especially like you know, 0:46:06.560 --> 0:46:09.160 like in Detroit, detail Like you know, all our grandparents 0:46:09.280 --> 0:46:12.240 if you if you fifty or fifty years old or older, 0:46:12.440 --> 0:46:16.200 I'm fifty five, then you remember either your parents or 0:46:16.239 --> 0:46:19.800 your especially your grandparents, all all the grandfathers, you know 0:46:19.840 --> 0:46:23.560 what I'm saying, had had like industry jobs or you 0:46:23.640 --> 0:46:24.160 know what I'm saying. 0:46:24.320 --> 0:46:26.400 They knew a trade, They knew how to provide for 0:46:26.520 --> 0:46:27.000 their family. 0:46:27.040 --> 0:46:29.200 Even if they had three and four families across town, 0:46:29.280 --> 0:46:33.280 they were still providing for them. But it wasn't until 0:46:33.360 --> 0:46:36.520 the government changed the script and started playing you know, 0:46:36.600 --> 0:46:41.920 that whole integration thing and equal equal opportunity, and they 0:46:42.040 --> 0:46:43.880 made it look like it was a good thing. So 0:46:44.000 --> 0:46:48.240 we could abandon doing for self and you know, abandon 0:46:48.360 --> 0:46:53.719 your own community, you know, black unity and black economics 0:46:53.800 --> 0:46:56.360 and black education. We wanted to be a part of 0:46:56.440 --> 0:46:59.640 American the American dream, and we bid at that. So 0:47:00.480 --> 0:47:04.160 the nation was pushing separation. But then the government and 0:47:04.719 --> 0:47:09.080 they little minions and agents was pushing integration. 0:47:09.320 --> 0:47:12.799 Which is kind of like, that's Martin Luther King sixty seven, 0:47:12.840 --> 0:47:14.520 I've been to the mountaintop. Yeah. 0:47:14.600 --> 0:47:17.000 But then that's why they got rid of him, because 0:47:17.040 --> 0:47:21.040 he said, I fear that I integrated my people into. 0:47:20.880 --> 0:47:23.160 A burning house, and I ain't with that no more, 0:47:23.160 --> 0:47:24.239 and then they got rid of him. 0:47:24.400 --> 0:47:27.839 It's my favorite Martin Luther King's speech. Yeah, that church 0:47:27.920 --> 0:47:30.120 right before he died in Memphis. The speech is called 0:47:30.160 --> 0:47:31.240 I've been to the mountaintop. 0:47:31.800 --> 0:47:36.160 Yeah. So he became the number one anti such and 0:47:36.239 --> 0:47:41.120 such too. After that he got like I think a 0:47:41.200 --> 0:47:46.120 week huh, then he got knocked off like a week. Yeah. Yeah. 0:47:46.239 --> 0:47:48.359 And that's right after he met with about a month 0:47:48.440 --> 0:47:50.600 after or maybe a few weeks after he met with 0:47:51.320 --> 0:47:56.439 Donado Elijah Muhammad, and they came to agreement, and you know, yeah, 0:47:57.000 --> 0:47:59.360 there's pictures with them shaking hands and sitting down, and 0:47:59.480 --> 0:48:01.480 you know, they wanted to know what they was talking about, 0:48:01.560 --> 0:48:04.400 and you know, Martin Luther King wouldn't tell them, you know, 0:48:04.600 --> 0:48:07.240 even though they was evedropping, but they wouldn't tell the public. 0:48:08.120 --> 0:48:10.319 And right after that he had that I haven't I mean, 0:48:10.360 --> 0:48:12.439 I've been to the mountaintop. I might not get there 0:48:12.520 --> 0:48:15.000 with you. But I'm not fearing any man and all 0:48:15.080 --> 0:48:20.080 that that's after you, you Muhammad. Yeah. So after that, 0:48:20.280 --> 0:48:23.480 they offered, you know, they threw money and fame and 0:48:23.640 --> 0:48:27.360 positions and all of that at at our community. And 0:48:28.160 --> 0:48:31.040 you know, it looked like the nation failed because nineteen 0:48:31.080 --> 0:48:34.840 seventy five, you know, the unrealizing Mohamad departed, looked like 0:48:34.920 --> 0:48:36.359 he was dead and the nation fell. 0:48:36.520 --> 0:48:40.360 So it wasn't no no leader quote unquote leadership of. 0:48:40.440 --> 0:48:43.000 That, you know, going on no more. So everybody went 0:48:43.080 --> 0:48:45.960 their own ways and that's that was the beginning of 0:48:46.040 --> 0:48:49.440 the end as far as us choosing the wrong choices 0:48:49.760 --> 0:48:50.800 as a as a community. 0:48:52.719 --> 0:48:56.080 So when we lost the feeling of us, yeah to 0:48:56.200 --> 0:48:58.839 be we wanted to be a part of y'all. Yeah, 0:48:59.320 --> 0:49:01.719 I mean freshing. Yeah. 0:49:02.080 --> 0:49:05.120 So it was black was everything that's James Brown everything, 0:49:05.239 --> 0:49:06.160 black consciousness. 0:49:06.239 --> 0:49:09.960 That was all you know, from the influence of. 0:49:10.040 --> 0:49:13.239 Donad Reelijah Muhammad and the Nation events, like everybody was 0:49:13.640 --> 0:49:14.359 down with the nation. 0:49:14.520 --> 0:49:18.160 Even that's what Jesse Jackson all that was this nation time? 0:49:18.200 --> 0:49:18.800 What time is it? 0:49:18.960 --> 0:49:23.080 Nation time? Nation time? Like everybody was riding with the nation. 0:49:23.520 --> 0:49:26.000 They didn't necessarily claim to be Muslim, but they was 0:49:26.120 --> 0:49:28.960 all sympathizer, they were all supporters, They was all on 0:49:29.080 --> 0:49:29.600 that page. 0:49:30.480 --> 0:49:32.600 But it was It wasn't until it looked like the Nation. 0:49:32.600 --> 0:49:36.600 Fell when Unu Realija Muhammad de party in nineteen seventy five. 0:49:36.680 --> 0:49:40.480 Then everything went to shit show and they started offering 0:49:40.480 --> 0:49:44.920 people opportunities, naming stars, and at that same time they 0:49:45.000 --> 0:49:47.080 swapped out Black Consciousness for the startup. 0:49:47.440 --> 0:49:51.080 Yeah, and keep in mind it is jag Hoover atbi co, 0:49:51.239 --> 0:49:53.319 intil Pro and CIA all the way in the mix. 0:49:53.440 --> 0:49:56.000 So because right after that, the spin off after that 0:49:56.280 --> 0:49:58.920 was basically the Panther Party, you know what I'm saying, right, 0:49:59.080 --> 0:50:01.520 you know, that was actually right you know, late sixties, 0:50:01.600 --> 0:50:04.720 mid sixty late sixties, after Malcolm X got assassinated. 0:50:05.480 --> 0:50:07.600 So those of us that wasn't with that. 0:50:07.719 --> 0:50:12.520 Necessarily spiritual discipline and that discipline and not picking up arms, 0:50:12.600 --> 0:50:14.800 you know, guns and all that and self defense like that, 0:50:15.640 --> 0:50:18.080 they you know, they did the Nation, I mean, the 0:50:18.800 --> 0:50:23.480 Black Panther thing. So that was very easily infiltrated by 0:50:24.000 --> 0:50:27.000 you know, by the coin tailpro and that's how they 0:50:27.080 --> 0:50:29.919 wiped them out. But it all, it all went down 0:50:30.040 --> 0:50:36.000 after the Elijah Muhammad departed, so. 0:50:37.640 --> 0:50:42.360 Damn yeah. So you've really seen a birth of like 0:50:42.600 --> 0:50:47.320 welfare to some degree. Oh yeah, absolutely, And what it 0:50:47.440 --> 0:50:50.279 did to our women's mind, what it did to our. 0:50:50.400 --> 0:50:55.000 The males respect and self esteem, what it did to 0:50:55.280 --> 0:51:00.759 for the disrespect of children towards the fathers. You know 0:51:00.760 --> 0:51:03.120 what I'm saying. Because everybody was like, well, I'm gonna 0:51:03.120 --> 0:51:05.200 go along with this program. I gotta stay out. I 0:51:05.200 --> 0:51:06.839 gotta stay out the way. It can't make it look 0:51:06.960 --> 0:51:10.160 like I'm living here with the with the with my children, 0:51:10.200 --> 0:51:12.600 my own women and my children. So it turned into 0:51:12.640 --> 0:51:14.600 a three Z old four grab. It was like a 0:51:14.600 --> 0:51:17.040 three or old four. We thought we was finessing the system, 0:51:17.080 --> 0:51:19.239 but we was just finessing our own man who our 0:51:19.280 --> 0:51:20.719 own family structure. 0:51:21.640 --> 0:51:24.680 So this is kind of what gave too much power 0:51:24.880 --> 0:51:28.400 to gaining. Absolutely absolutely, because. 0:51:28.800 --> 0:51:32.000 You know, the thinking about it, seventy five is when 0:51:32.040 --> 0:51:35.520 it really boomed boom. It didn't really boom to the eighties, 0:51:35.560 --> 0:51:38.440 but when it starts splitting up, it start being kind 0:51:38.480 --> 0:51:40.960 of what we see it today. Ass that's around the 0:51:41.040 --> 0:51:44.560 same time, that's whenzing Mom had passed. 0:51:45.320 --> 0:51:48.360 Yeah, man, he didn't pass you know that he departed 0:51:48.600 --> 0:51:49.319 from among us. 0:51:49.400 --> 0:51:49.600 Yeah. 0:51:49.800 --> 0:51:53.759 So but it was that green light that the enemy, 0:51:53.840 --> 0:51:55.960 that the you know, the enemy aspect of this government, 0:51:56.719 --> 0:51:59.399 you know, pushed the line real hard and went after 0:51:59.560 --> 0:52:04.640 us on the full cointael pro program and started gassing 0:52:04.680 --> 0:52:08.000 our women up and offering them you know, women's lib. 0:52:08.000 --> 0:52:11.040 And and you know, equality and this and that. 0:52:11.400 --> 0:52:16.040 So that's like, uh yeah, the concept of just like 0:52:16.120 --> 0:52:20.080 in uh, if you into the Bible in Genesis, the 0:52:20.200 --> 0:52:23.600 snake came at Eve. He ain't come at Adam. The 0:52:23.680 --> 0:52:27.280 snake knew to get at Eve because Eve is naturally 0:52:27.560 --> 0:52:30.400 under the authority of her man, you know what I'm saying. So, 0:52:30.480 --> 0:52:34.719 and I'm inspiring insight, jealousy or envy of your your 0:52:35.000 --> 0:52:37.239 your natural black authority. 0:52:37.680 --> 0:52:39.719 And you could be equal with God. You know, you 0:52:39.760 --> 0:52:41.160 ain't got to be under God. You ain't got to 0:52:41.160 --> 0:52:42.759 be under that your man. You can be equal with 0:52:42.840 --> 0:52:45.600 your man. So they start pushing that and using their. 0:52:45.600 --> 0:52:48.399 Dollars in their media and all of that to gas 0:52:48.520 --> 0:52:51.520 our women up like we don't need them, okay, And 0:52:51.600 --> 0:52:53.279 that was the beginning of the end, and that that 0:52:53.960 --> 0:52:57.800 instilled the disrespect and the disregard and the children for 0:52:58.360 --> 0:53:00.400 you know, for the black man, for they, you know, 0:53:00.520 --> 0:53:04.880 So we grew up single, you know, in single mama households. 0:53:04.600 --> 0:53:10.360 Already know nothing about already black man problems. 0:53:10.880 --> 0:53:14.120 So that's why you know, niggas rebuilding and went to 0:53:14.239 --> 0:53:16.640 gangs and the homies and hanging out and all. 0:53:16.600 --> 0:53:20.040 That, because we was taught a disrespect or even a 0:53:20.120 --> 0:53:24.480 hatred for for our our viles for black men. Yeah, 0:53:25.200 --> 0:53:28.719 still you remember you you right there with cameras that 0:53:28.800 --> 0:53:31.640 do you remember kind of welfare because you would have 0:53:31.800 --> 0:53:35.440 to be really young, But do you remember welfare becoming 0:53:35.480 --> 0:53:38.399 a thing like where it ran rampant in Cleveland? Because 0:53:38.400 --> 0:53:43.440 I would imagine the version was always around. 0:53:43.960 --> 0:53:47.240 The version of Cleveland I saw is not the version 0:53:47.320 --> 0:53:49.200 of Cleveland. We was joking the other day, but I 0:53:49.360 --> 0:53:52.880 was thinking, the version of Cleveland I saw is not 0:53:53.200 --> 0:53:56.080 always the version of Cleveland you grew up with. Like 0:53:56.239 --> 0:53:59.399 that version of Cleveland probably started happening as you start 0:53:59.480 --> 0:54:02.719 coming into your teenage years, the one that that felt 0:54:02.800 --> 0:54:05.400 like it was a despair, where like there was no 0:54:05.560 --> 0:54:08.080 way the factory wasn't around to keep all the businesses 0:54:08.120 --> 0:54:10.920 open so everybody could have money support the local businesses. 0:54:11.360 --> 0:54:14.760 So you probably saw that happen because I can't imagine 0:54:15.560 --> 0:54:18.520 Cleveland was like that in the sixties or in the seventies, 0:54:18.800 --> 0:54:20.680 like the version I saw that felt like all the 0:54:20.800 --> 0:54:22.920 businesses were closed and all this. 0:54:23.160 --> 0:54:27.279 You know what, Cleveland always had an element of griminess 0:54:27.360 --> 0:54:30.560 to it, but it wasn't as grimy as it was 0:54:30.640 --> 0:54:33.759 when the plants and stuff got shut shut down and 0:54:33.880 --> 0:54:37.359 people start, you know, losing jobs and stuff. But I'm 0:54:37.400 --> 0:54:39.600 gonna tell you where it really got bad when when 0:54:39.680 --> 0:54:42.680 crack hit the community. We always had a heroin problem, right, 0:54:44.120 --> 0:54:46.520 but it seemed like it's that kind of dissipated the 0:54:46.600 --> 0:54:49.319 crack stuff, you know, the crack came in and uh, 0:54:50.520 --> 0:54:51.160 I remember that. 0:54:51.280 --> 0:54:51.400 Man. 0:54:51.480 --> 0:54:53.759 We had generations of people that was on welfare, man, 0:54:53.760 --> 0:54:56.800 and everybody kind ofknew. But everybody, everybody in every household 0:54:56.920 --> 0:55:01.640 was spending food stamps store somehow somewhere, even if they 0:55:01.760 --> 0:55:03.880 wasn't on welfare, you was, you know, your mama go 0:55:03.960 --> 0:55:06.719 buy some food stamps from somebody. So, yeah, people have 0:55:06.800 --> 0:55:12.480 bought food stamps, that's right. That's in the eighties. Shoot, yeah, 0:55:12.520 --> 0:55:17.359 in the eighties. Yeah, Because I remember, man, my mama, well, 0:55:17.400 --> 0:55:19.960 how at one of her friends and I think she 0:55:20.239 --> 0:55:22.120 give her one hundred dollars and we mess around to 0:55:22.120 --> 0:55:24.520 get one hundred and eighty dollars in food stamp for something. 0:55:24.920 --> 0:55:26.520 And I know, I hated when my mama sent me 0:55:26.560 --> 0:55:27.640 to the store of food stamp. 0:55:27.680 --> 0:55:29.239 So I remember that girl. 0:55:29.360 --> 0:55:32.640 Man, Yeah, I remember my mama sent me to the 0:55:32.680 --> 0:55:36.440 store one day, man, and she pulled like some twenties 0:55:36.480 --> 0:55:38.200 out her purse and then she when they got them 0:55:38.239 --> 0:55:39.960 food stamp, said go up here and get me this, 0:55:40.160 --> 0:55:40.480 you know, a. 0:55:40.680 --> 0:55:43.239 Half pound in this, some of this and that. And 0:55:43.360 --> 0:55:44.120 I was like, dang. 0:55:44.160 --> 0:55:44.960 And this girl. 0:55:46.320 --> 0:55:48.600 She was following me around the store. It seemed like, man, 0:55:48.719 --> 0:55:51.279 So I'm moved in one line, then I moved to other. 0:55:51.360 --> 0:55:53.279 She was behind me and this lady. The thing was like, 0:55:53.719 --> 0:55:56.000 this lady, the thing was like, don't be embarrassed to 0:55:56.000 --> 0:55:58.640 spend these food stamps all out. I was so embarrassed. 0:55:58.680 --> 0:56:02.600 Man, I can't remember the movie. You remember the movie Claudine, 0:56:02.760 --> 0:56:06.160 right with James L. Jones Rest in Peace and Diane 0:56:06.280 --> 0:56:11.600 Carroll Claudine g oh Man, that's a classic. 0:56:11.880 --> 0:56:15.360 Honestly, I'm just now getting into movies from the seventies 0:56:15.400 --> 0:56:18.560 and sixties. I've never in my life really got into 0:56:18.600 --> 0:56:20.960 movies from the seventies and sixties till probably over the 0:56:21.080 --> 0:56:21.759 last two years. 0:56:22.320 --> 0:56:25.160 Tonight, when you get off, watch the movie Claudein with 0:56:25.360 --> 0:56:28.799 James Jo Jones and Diane Carroll. That's nineteen seventy four. 0:56:29.800 --> 0:56:32.480 Nineteen seventy four. That's talking about. 0:56:33.840 --> 0:56:36.520 We said, Diane Carroll, you know what I automatically think about, 0:56:36.520 --> 0:56:39.240 and it's probably not right, but I think of money 0:56:39.360 --> 0:56:44.160 talk when Chris Tucker was talking about the Italian singer 0:56:44.239 --> 0:56:45.719 that married Diane Carroll. 0:56:47.000 --> 0:56:51.719 Yeah, yeah, but that's her because she was BOSD. She 0:56:52.200 --> 0:56:56.080 used to being back. They talked about like but on 0:56:56.200 --> 0:56:59.600 the movie Claudine to let you know, that's the beginning 0:56:59.680 --> 0:57:02.319 of of you know, that was in the b exploitation 0:57:02.560 --> 0:57:05.520 film era, but that was telling you the cultural where 0:57:05.520 --> 0:57:09.560 the cultural you know, went to that whole welfare system 0:57:09.600 --> 0:57:11.400 and how you couldn't have a man in the house. 0:57:11.880 --> 0:57:12.880 Watch the movie. 0:57:12.680 --> 0:57:15.520 Clauding Everybody that's that's that's watching this, go check out 0:57:15.560 --> 0:57:16.360 the movie Clauding In. 0:57:16.440 --> 0:57:19.280 And that's the beginning of it. That's the mid early 0:57:19.440 --> 0:57:21.640 mid seventies. That's when that. 0:57:21.720 --> 0:57:24.080 That's when the whole culture changed. You know what I'm saying, 0:57:24.440 --> 0:57:26.960 into that whole welfare system, depending on the government. 0:57:27.720 --> 0:57:27.959 Yep. 0:57:30.720 --> 0:57:34.040 So here's here's odd question. Now, you you would have 0:57:34.520 --> 0:57:36.400 for sure been a kid, you would have been not 0:57:36.480 --> 0:57:37.360 even a teenager. 0:57:38.000 --> 0:57:41.840 Mm hmm. How did this is gonna be odd? Forgive me, 0:57:42.000 --> 0:57:47.040 I don't know. How did watch change? You know what 0:57:47.040 --> 0:57:47.920 I mean? When cracking? 0:57:48.240 --> 0:57:51.720 What was it like before versus you starting to now 0:57:51.840 --> 0:57:56.160 see different homies, different people's parents becoming You've seen the 0:57:56.320 --> 0:57:59.600 environment change, what like, how did that change happen versus 0:57:59.640 --> 0:58:00.200 when you was. 0:58:00.160 --> 0:58:03.880 Growing up to then? Yeah, a teenager, it was pride. 0:58:04.000 --> 0:58:04.840 It was pride. 0:58:05.080 --> 0:58:07.640 I'm talking about righteous pride. It was Black pride, it 0:58:07.760 --> 0:58:12.160 was consciousness. It was education. Like back then, white schools 0:58:12.280 --> 0:58:16.280 and and even compon schools like Willard Brook and Centennial 0:58:16.440 --> 0:58:19.440 and all of that, they was known for, like especially 0:58:19.520 --> 0:58:22.360 like Willerbrook Middle School, they was known for. 0:58:22.520 --> 0:58:27.880 Being like the highest rank you know, educational. 0:58:27.440 --> 0:58:29.160 You know, like because white people used to live there, 0:58:29.680 --> 0:58:33.320 you know what I'm saying. So, so it was still 0:58:33.520 --> 0:58:37.160 it was still honorable. It was still like like highly 0:58:37.280 --> 0:58:39.640 ranked in the whole state, you know what I'm saying. 0:58:39.720 --> 0:58:42.760 So it was a lot of brilliant you know, students 0:58:42.840 --> 0:58:44.520 and teachers and all of that that was in these 0:58:44.520 --> 0:58:48.960 schools mark them and and you know, so the quality 0:58:49.160 --> 0:58:52.640 was up, the quality the quality of of of pride 0:58:52.680 --> 0:58:53.640 and the quality. 0:58:53.320 --> 0:58:55.680 Of health and family and community and shit. 0:58:55.720 --> 0:58:57.760 It was it was fresh off the black you know, 0:58:58.840 --> 0:59:01.520 the civil rights or not civil rights, but you know, 0:59:01.600 --> 0:59:04.080 the black consciousness moving civil rights. 0:59:04.200 --> 0:59:07.760 That's it's not that far so, right when civil rights 0:59:07.800 --> 0:59:11.280 movement is mid sixties, late sixties. Yeah, yeah, sixties, the 0:59:11.320 --> 0:59:14.680 whole sixties. So it's fresh off of that. Yeah, after that, 0:59:15.360 --> 0:59:16.360 we stresh off of that. 0:59:16.600 --> 0:59:19.080 So some people it's going a non violent way trying 0:59:19.080 --> 0:59:21.720 to integrate, but other people is trying to stay separated 0:59:21.840 --> 0:59:25.040 and build. But still that was all based on black consciousness, 0:59:25.520 --> 0:59:28.440 you know what I'm saying. But once the dope came in, 0:59:28.760 --> 0:59:31.320 you know, it really has started with in my opinion, 0:59:31.400 --> 0:59:35.480 it started with the the free love like you know 0:59:35.520 --> 0:59:39.640 what I'm saying, you know, like soul trained, like they 0:59:39.720 --> 0:59:44.840 start working on the culture through huh yeah, a black 0:59:45.320 --> 0:59:48.520 hippie life. Yeah, the hippies is the drug. It's free love, 0:59:48.640 --> 0:59:51.120 free sex, and free love. In the seventies, the Age 0:59:51.160 --> 0:59:54.720 of Aquarius, the age of the Quers. Now that's when 0:59:54.840 --> 0:59:57.600 soul trained. You know, you start seeing more mini skirts 0:59:57.640 --> 1:00:00.000 and you know, seeing freaking and all that kind of stuff. 1:00:00.120 --> 1:00:06.040 So the Hollywood and the media started promoting more moral, 1:00:06.320 --> 1:00:12.000 more party three behavior, Yeah, promiscuous behavior, and it was 1:00:12.080 --> 1:00:14.640 looking like it was getting rewarded, and it was what 1:00:14.800 --> 1:00:19.200 we was always fascinated about doing anyway, So they was 1:00:19.320 --> 1:00:24.320 hyping our our immorality. They was promoting our immorality and 1:00:24.400 --> 1:00:26.960 rewarding us for it. And then, like I say, you 1:00:27.040 --> 1:00:31.160 had all the blaxploitation films like Nolamite and all of that. 1:00:31.840 --> 1:00:36.760 So media had a huge part to do with our degeneration. 1:00:37.160 --> 1:00:40.320 We got programmed, we got his wife's called programming. We 1:00:40.440 --> 1:00:44.080 got programmed and rewarded at the same time, and next thing, 1:00:44.120 --> 1:00:45.240 you know, everybody was doing it. 1:00:46.960 --> 1:00:53.440 M I always say, like, that's the same thing with 1:00:53.560 --> 1:00:56.280 Game ban Like most people didn't know what it was, 1:00:56.600 --> 1:00:59.480 and they gave you this kind of like Colored had 1:01:00.080 --> 1:01:03.480 fifteen minutes of gang banging in the movie, right in 1:01:03.680 --> 1:01:06.479 a two hour movie about police. But somehow this movie 1:01:06.600 --> 1:01:08.840 influenced a bunch of that's scary when you. 1:01:08.920 --> 1:01:12.120 Think it's called colors. You know, Game Bangin't had nothing 1:01:12.160 --> 1:01:15.840 to do with colors, especially it's called Color. The movie 1:01:15.920 --> 1:01:17.560 called colors like blue and red. 1:01:18.000 --> 1:01:20.240 Yes, but that's how people think s. 1:01:21.040 --> 1:01:23.480 One of the hardest thing to do is each other 1:01:23.640 --> 1:01:26.960 brothers that grew up other ghettos around this country. 1:01:27.000 --> 1:01:28.439 That it's not about blue and red. 1:01:28.520 --> 1:01:32.640 It's almost like, I'm like, y'all cannot think that it 1:01:32.680 --> 1:01:35.520 would be this dumb, whereas like, oh he's wearing red, 1:01:35.560 --> 1:01:38.360 I'm going to kill him. It's like it means something 1:01:38.960 --> 1:01:42.439 way more and way deeper, like there's something happening here. 1:01:42.600 --> 1:01:46.040 But they like nau Gio Crips that the crazy problem, 1:01:46.160 --> 1:01:48.560 like the crips, And it's like, bro, I don't even 1:01:48.680 --> 1:01:50.760 know that era of what you're talking about when you 1:01:50.800 --> 1:01:55.360 say the crips, right like you saw that. Matter of fact, 1:01:55.440 --> 1:02:00.400 you probably don't remember that version of the crips the time. 1:02:00.560 --> 1:02:05.280 You could probably consciously see the split happening amongst these people. 1:02:05.320 --> 1:02:10.240 They was already separated, like Carver, you know, teen Mona 1:02:10.400 --> 1:02:13.840 was already a thing by that point. I don't think 1:02:14.120 --> 1:02:18.840 none of us is even y'all generation, right, remember the crips. 1:02:19.920 --> 1:02:22.960 Like that's how probably still thought about it, coming from Cleveland, 1:02:23.000 --> 1:02:24.240 where it's like, oh, the crips. 1:02:24.640 --> 1:02:26.680 Then he came to Long Beach and was like, Okay, 1:02:26.760 --> 1:02:28.760 now these dudes are separate. 1:02:29.960 --> 1:02:32.320 Well, I don't even think I don't even remember when 1:02:32.320 --> 1:02:35.120 they start really saying crips because they were just saying cuz. 1:02:35.400 --> 1:02:37.200 Like you know what I'm saying, We were saying cuz. 1:02:37.240 --> 1:02:40.120 We weren't saying crips like we crip. That was the thing. 1:02:40.720 --> 1:02:43.360 When I first came out here, I noticed everybody along 1:02:43.480 --> 1:02:47.680 Beach State wasn't even their name. Everybody was cuzed because 1:02:47.840 --> 1:02:50.280 fat cuz skinny cuz. 1:02:51.080 --> 1:02:53.680 Yeah they were. We wouldn't even say that this this 1:02:53.880 --> 1:02:56.680 crip like nigga, this crip like it was like this 1:02:56.880 --> 1:03:01.760 this cuzcuz mo. We just like cozmo, you know what 1:03:01.800 --> 1:03:02.160 I'm saying. 1:03:03.280 --> 1:03:07.520 Yeah back, So yeah, so it turned into something else 1:03:07.560 --> 1:03:09.960 because of the media. The media, I'm telling you, I 1:03:10.040 --> 1:03:15.840 can't underestimate the cultural influences that or the trends or 1:03:15.880 --> 1:03:20.640 whatever that the media co intail pro these these you know, 1:03:20.880 --> 1:03:23.640 I ain't gonna say Rainbow or small cap or whatever. 1:03:23.800 --> 1:03:27.680 But whoever it is controlled that owns and controls the Hollywood, 1:03:27.760 --> 1:03:31.360 whoever created Hollywood, them the ones that made us, the 1:03:31.440 --> 1:03:34.840 buffoons and the sambos and the big eye watermelon eating 1:03:34.920 --> 1:03:37.360 like that that made us, you know, like we had 1:03:37.440 --> 1:03:41.080 bones in our nose swinging in Africa and we were savage. 1:03:41.720 --> 1:03:45.400 It's whoever controlled the media is what who programs the 1:03:46.080 --> 1:03:49.200 you know the minds of the people. So if they 1:03:49.360 --> 1:03:52.680 want us to paint a certain narrative, narrative, they're gonna 1:03:52.720 --> 1:03:53.600 do it through their media. 1:03:53.640 --> 1:03:54.880 And that's that's what been happening. 1:03:55.800 --> 1:04:00.360 Colors was absolutely never how we looked at that, you know, 1:04:01.760 --> 1:04:03.880 but just saying and this ain't no difs to iced tea, 1:04:03.920 --> 1:04:05.640 salute ice tea. You know what I'm saying, that's my 1:04:05.840 --> 1:04:10.120 g But but he was more telling them what they 1:04:10.240 --> 1:04:11.400 wanted to hear, like like. 1:04:11.800 --> 1:04:17.560 You know, based off the film. Yeah, with a little nuance. Well, 1:04:17.800 --> 1:04:20.360 I would say, because you know, I'm I'm I was there, 1:04:20.520 --> 1:04:21.400 so to speak. 1:04:21.240 --> 1:04:25.840 So I would say, like Robert Townsend movie with Chen Ivy, 1:04:26.040 --> 1:04:30.920 Hollywood scheff right, more more, jives more more more, you know, 1:04:31.160 --> 1:04:33.880 some some stupid trivial like blue and blue and red 1:04:33.960 --> 1:04:35.120 your colors it's about colors. 1:04:35.160 --> 1:04:38.800 They ain't got it, so you just you just given colors. 1:04:38.920 --> 1:04:43.120 The song Colors ain't really about colors, but but it's 1:04:43.160 --> 1:04:46.000 called colors. The fact that it's called colors. That's the 1:04:46.120 --> 1:04:49.120 biggest programming right there, because now that's the title of it. 1:04:49.240 --> 1:04:55.320 And now the low Now yeah, that's the definition of that. 1:04:56.040 --> 1:04:58.200 That's the definition of gang banging to them, Now. 1:04:58.360 --> 1:04:59.440 Yeah, they like Colors. 1:05:00.280 --> 1:05:02.240 You know what's funny when when I listen to how 1:05:02.360 --> 1:05:04.640 great that song is, and you right, the title does 1:05:05.600 --> 1:05:09.400 kind of give the misleading that this is when you 1:05:09.520 --> 1:05:11.960 listen to the words of how brilliant has written him 1:05:12.000 --> 1:05:16.320 describing the plights of to me, your generation, you know 1:05:16.360 --> 1:05:16.840 what I mean. 1:05:16.840 --> 1:05:18.840 Like this is the mind state of the of the 1:05:18.920 --> 1:05:20.480 people going through the most, you know what I mean? 1:05:20.520 --> 1:05:23.760 Whereas like brother god like because you know their mother 1:05:23.920 --> 1:05:27.440 wasn't on crack ice tea and the moms ice t 1:05:27.600 --> 1:05:29.800 is born in fifty eight, so they're they're from So 1:05:29.880 --> 1:05:32.560 he was really to me describing the plight of the 1:05:32.680 --> 1:05:33.560 following generation. 1:05:34.920 --> 1:05:37.280 I agree. Get me, when I came out here, she 1:05:37.360 --> 1:05:40.800 didn't want me to come. Seeah, I agree with with that. 1:05:41.000 --> 1:05:44.800 But just the fact, like I said, the title and 1:05:45.120 --> 1:05:45.520 the hook. 1:05:45.840 --> 1:05:48.520 So no matter what he was saying, he's still programming 1:05:48.960 --> 1:05:52.720 the unknown, those that don't know because people that really 1:05:52.840 --> 1:05:55.000 was banging or whatever, they're just gonna go along with 1:05:55.120 --> 1:05:58.200 like they know he wasn't banged out like that. So 1:05:58.400 --> 1:06:03.280 but but you said us colors like you're drilling that 1:06:03.360 --> 1:06:04.240 ship into their head. 1:06:05.120 --> 1:06:05.280 You know. 1:06:05.560 --> 1:06:09.240 You know what's a you know what's a a great 1:06:09.440 --> 1:06:11.520 modern version of that song. And I tell people all 1:06:11.560 --> 1:06:13.360 the time, gangs is PREADI. 1:06:16.800 --> 1:06:19.000 Coolio, yeah, coolie. 1:06:22.560 --> 1:06:26.360 I love how they described the life of that to me, 1:06:26.560 --> 1:06:29.680 a person that's in way too deep because colors the 1:06:29.760 --> 1:06:33.240 person in extremely deep, you know what I mean? My 1:06:33.360 --> 1:06:36.640 brother got shot, my mama's my brother got my mom 1:06:36.760 --> 1:06:40.200 is on crack like that is a deep life to 1:06:40.360 --> 1:06:40.600 be in. 1:06:40.800 --> 1:06:41.400 You know what I'm saying. 1:06:44.440 --> 1:06:47.680 It blows my mind. Man, sometimes when I think about it, 1:06:47.800 --> 1:06:50.040 and I wish I could have saw to watch. 1:06:49.840 --> 1:06:54.560 You saw even with with a with a ice teeth saying, uh, 1:06:54.680 --> 1:06:58.040 the gangs in l A will never die. Just multiply 1:06:58.360 --> 1:07:04.160 like that's that's that's programming. That is actually a you 1:07:04.240 --> 1:07:07.680 know what do you call hypnotic hypnotic suggestions? 1:07:09.000 --> 1:07:11.280 That's it. 1:07:11.800 --> 1:07:14.360 And it was just so profound. Listen to this, man, 1:07:15.240 --> 1:07:19.160 I am a nightmare walking cyclepath talking king of my jungle, 1:07:19.280 --> 1:07:22.120 just against this talking living life like a fire cracker, 1:07:22.200 --> 1:07:25.360 quick as my fuse vendettas of death black the colors 1:07:25.400 --> 1:07:28.000 like shoes red or blue because of blood. It's just 1:07:28.160 --> 1:07:30.920 don't matter. Sucker died for your life with my shotgun 1:07:31.000 --> 1:07:33.600 scatters the games in LA would never die. 1:07:34.360 --> 1:07:37.200 Just what's crazy is the shotgun? 1:07:37.280 --> 1:07:41.000 That cheap ass gun that was like their gun too, 1:07:41.120 --> 1:07:43.920 Like I'll be I was reading the book that Tiki wrote, 1:07:43.960 --> 1:07:46.960 Blu Rays Black Redemption, and they loved him a shotgun? 1:07:48.080 --> 1:07:49.240 But is that is that really? 1:07:49.440 --> 1:07:49.600 Is that? 1:07:49.840 --> 1:07:53.960 Is that verse really accurate? Or is that is that Hollywood? 1:07:54.480 --> 1:07:56.320 I think let me, let me, let me lay this, 1:07:56.440 --> 1:07:58.280 let me let me show you something, because this is 1:07:58.320 --> 1:08:01.240 what you've been saying all the time, g about how 1:08:01.360 --> 1:08:05.040 that's not gang that's not gang life, that's not gang bang, 1:08:05.680 --> 1:08:08.760 that's we're not the nightmares, We're not the you know 1:08:08.800 --> 1:08:10.600 what I'm saying that if anything, that's talking about the 1:08:10.640 --> 1:08:13.080 slave masters and how they get down and how they live. 1:08:13.880 --> 1:08:17.240 Because we we want peace, you know what I'm saying. 1:08:17.280 --> 1:08:20.160 We warriors, but we ain't out there stalking like like 1:08:20.320 --> 1:08:21.880 that's the twenty four seven. 1:08:22.600 --> 1:08:25.479 That's a that's a pure monster. That's like minister society. 1:08:25.560 --> 1:08:29.479 That justifies, that justifies to get the government is sending 1:08:29.520 --> 1:08:32.559 the National Guardian and wiping us all out in everybody 1:08:33.680 --> 1:08:34.120 I heard. 1:08:36.640 --> 1:08:39.120 Being a cat coming from Ohio Kim. When I heard 1:08:39.200 --> 1:08:41.599 this and saw the movie, I remember I was coming 1:08:41.600 --> 1:08:43.519 to California and my mom didn't want me to go. 1:08:43.640 --> 1:08:45.920 She was dead saying, she said, they got them crips 1:08:45.960 --> 1:08:47.880 out there and they're crazy and they're doing this. You 1:08:47.960 --> 1:08:51.479 go out there with the kill And I was like, Mama, 1:08:51.520 --> 1:08:55.080 I don't think it's gonna be like that had this 1:08:55.200 --> 1:08:56.920 image in her mind and it was just gonna be 1:08:57.000 --> 1:08:59.080 crips walking down the street and it was just gonna 1:08:59.080 --> 1:09:01.599 be you got on read'na blew your brains up. 1:09:02.160 --> 1:09:02.479 You know what. 1:09:03.920 --> 1:09:06.800 Here's something I asked you and you can remember this, 1:09:06.920 --> 1:09:09.880 and I never asked this in my life. When did 1:09:10.000 --> 1:09:15.679 watch Shrink? That might be something you could kind of remember. 1:09:15.720 --> 1:09:20.120 It's close because you wasn't like Watts got really small, 1:09:20.200 --> 1:09:21.960 but Wats had to be big because I would always 1:09:21.960 --> 1:09:24.439 read stories where they said Sam Cook died and watched 1:09:24.520 --> 1:09:28.599 and Sam Cook died like figure Row in like ninety seven. 1:09:29.200 --> 1:09:32.880 So all of that, Yeah, South parts of South Central 1:09:32.920 --> 1:09:37.439 and Compton was all still considered Watts, right, WATS was 1:09:37.520 --> 1:09:38.200 a was a. 1:09:39.760 --> 1:09:42.320 It's like a movement. It's a movement. Yeah, it was 1:09:42.360 --> 1:09:43.000 a movement. 1:09:43.280 --> 1:09:46.240 It had to do with the consciousness, you know what 1:09:46.280 --> 1:09:49.080 I'm saying of that little part of south central LA. 1:09:49.160 --> 1:09:51.560 It really wasn't rooted around the projects. 1:09:52.120 --> 1:09:54.360 You know what I'm saying. It is now like it 1:09:54.520 --> 1:09:59.000 is now. And it also had to do with you know, 1:09:59.439 --> 1:10:01.680 with the pol tics politics. 1:10:01.760 --> 1:10:04.080 Even right now now they call you know, like they 1:10:04.360 --> 1:10:06.680 split it up and say this is Willardbrook and this is. 1:10:06.840 --> 1:10:08.360 Such and such, and you know what I'm saying, and 1:10:08.439 --> 1:10:09.600 this is but. 1:10:11.160 --> 1:10:15.800 How how like I said, from Compton like before it 1:10:15.920 --> 1:10:18.400 was the one ten Freeway because all of that is 1:10:18.479 --> 1:10:22.560 where black black you know, actors or black entertainers or 1:10:22.640 --> 1:10:27.160 you know where like up Central Boulevard and and uh, 1:10:27.240 --> 1:10:31.120 I mean it's not the central uh from from Avalon, Yeah, 1:10:31.400 --> 1:10:38.160 from Central all the way like like athen Yeah, yeah, 1:10:38.200 --> 1:10:41.680 Athens Park all the way up to uh like going 1:10:41.720 --> 1:10:44.160 all the way towards downtown LA. Like all of that 1:10:44.520 --> 1:10:48.960 was was considered you know, black affluent. You know, so 1:10:49.120 --> 1:10:54.559 like low Bottoms was considered like the low so all 1:10:54.640 --> 1:10:57.160 of that was considered Watts you know what I'm saying, 1:10:57.240 --> 1:11:00.160 wats was like you said, it was a movement, you 1:11:00.240 --> 1:11:04.040 know what I'm saying, the consciousness movement, and that really 1:11:04.160 --> 1:11:08.080 kind of sparked because of the riots, because of the 1:11:08.240 --> 1:11:12.160 you know, the the rebellion of standing up against the police, 1:11:12.880 --> 1:11:14.960 because it was already you know, that's what the gangs 1:11:15.000 --> 1:11:18.200 even started, the cribs, and the and the and the 1:11:18.280 --> 1:11:22.120 brown berets. Everybody was trying to get their organizations together, 1:11:22.400 --> 1:11:25.600 a brotherhood to defend them against racist white folks and 1:11:25.720 --> 1:11:26.599 racist police. 1:11:27.200 --> 1:11:30.040 So Watts had the gold star based off of the 1:11:30.080 --> 1:11:30.799 sixty three. 1:11:30.760 --> 1:11:34.519 Riots exactly, so everybody wanted to be from Watch, everything 1:11:34.680 --> 1:11:35.080 was Watts. 1:11:35.120 --> 1:11:35.760 You know what I'm saying. 1:11:35.960 --> 1:11:39.000 Everything that that that that shared that mentality in the 1:11:39.040 --> 1:11:41.639 surrounding districts or whatever was just considered Watts. 1:11:44.840 --> 1:11:45.559 That's crazy. 1:11:46.040 --> 1:11:48.840 Then they got, like I said, the politicians political. Then 1:11:48.880 --> 1:11:52.120 they started drawing out, you know, the literal borders, you. 1:11:52.160 --> 1:11:52.719 Know what I'm saying. 1:11:53.280 --> 1:11:55.880 Even though it was that, but you know, it just 1:11:56.040 --> 1:11:59.320 meant something else, just like it's people out of town 1:11:59.400 --> 1:12:02.439 claiming chickshaw or claiming neighborhood or whatever. 1:12:02.600 --> 1:12:05.160 Like That's how it was around here. Like everybody was 1:12:05.240 --> 1:12:07.760 like Watch with the three, you know, the Yeah. 1:12:09.240 --> 1:12:12.320 Yeah, even if you're in Compton, even if you some 1:12:12.680 --> 1:12:15.040 some people, even if they in Long Beach, wherever, wherever 1:12:15.200 --> 1:12:15.960 black people were. 1:12:16.080 --> 1:12:19.040 That was like the mecca of Los Angeles black consciousness. 1:12:20.040 --> 1:12:23.479 Oh so this is before yeah, because I was realizing 1:12:23.560 --> 1:12:25.640 black people couldn't really live on the West Side like 1:12:25.720 --> 1:12:26.320 that for long. 1:12:27.280 --> 1:12:30.479 Nah, you couldn't like that kind is more like a 1:12:30.560 --> 1:12:33.679 thing in the sixties. Yeah, so Watch was like Harlem. 1:12:35.200 --> 1:12:38.479 Watch was like the Harlem for Harlem is to New York. 1:12:40.280 --> 1:12:43.840 I knows had the best breakfast place, man, I hey 1:12:43.880 --> 1:12:45.400 you that man, My boy took me over there. I 1:12:45.439 --> 1:12:47.800 forget the name of that place, but I had a 1:12:47.920 --> 1:12:53.960 really good breakfast over there. Y'all know Wat's coffee House. 1:12:55.600 --> 1:12:57.639 Yeah, but I don't remember that when I was younger. 1:12:57.760 --> 1:13:00.200 Like that, you're talking about women on women, you talk about. 1:13:00.640 --> 1:13:02.439 Talking about the coffee house. It's over the one hundred 1:13:02.439 --> 1:13:05.800 and third. Oh, I don't really remember that place when 1:13:05.840 --> 1:13:09.479 I was younger. It was really I got older though, 1:13:09.520 --> 1:13:12.120 but I don't really want I had some like pancakes 1:13:12.200 --> 1:13:17.240 over there, man, that really, Like, I want to ask 1:13:17.280 --> 1:13:17.719 you one. 1:13:17.640 --> 1:13:23.040 Thing, cam like culture, that's culture. 1:13:25.400 --> 1:13:25.560 You know. 1:13:25.800 --> 1:13:29.600 The nineties was the height against the rep right, and 1:13:29.720 --> 1:13:31.240 you were sorting the whole thing. 1:13:31.360 --> 1:13:33.519 You know what, you know this peak? 1:13:33.640 --> 1:13:37.000 Right? What was the climate like in LA then? Was 1:13:37.040 --> 1:13:38.760 it a lot of banging going on? Because I was 1:13:38.880 --> 1:13:40.800 out here, but I wasn't a part of I was 1:13:40.840 --> 1:13:43.799 in Long Beach playing football, you know, I really seldom 1:13:43.880 --> 1:13:45.800 left Long Beach. How was l A Was it a 1:13:45.800 --> 1:13:47.240 little bit more turnking than it was now? 1:13:48.000 --> 1:13:53.479 Absolutely, like at the early nineties, by the time the 1:13:53.600 --> 1:13:55.600 nineties here it was, it was at the peak, like 1:13:56.400 --> 1:13:59.360 eighty four eighty five is when it started climbing. 1:14:00.040 --> 1:14:04.880 But once nineteen ninety hit that that was all bad. 1:14:04.960 --> 1:14:05.760 It was all bad. 1:14:06.160 --> 1:14:11.080 The full programming had kicked in. The full programming had 1:14:11.160 --> 1:14:11.519 kicked in. 1:14:11.880 --> 1:14:14.920 I remember that still. I remember that like crazy. I 1:14:14.960 --> 1:14:19.280 remember being ten in it, being active, Like I remember 1:14:19.360 --> 1:14:23.560 how crazy it was. And again like remember this is 1:14:23.640 --> 1:14:25.880 crack money. You can't have a war unless you can 1:14:26.000 --> 1:14:26.639 finance a war. 1:14:27.120 --> 1:14:30.759 Yeah, so like remember gang bag has started in sixty 1:14:30.880 --> 1:14:33.559 nine and he's telling you it's not really fully active 1:14:33.840 --> 1:14:37.360 until roughly twenty some years later, right, because they couldn't 1:14:37.400 --> 1:14:41.280 finance a war, like, none of them dudes, if gang bags, 1:14:41.320 --> 1:14:43.800 if crips, starts in sixty nine, right, and mind you 1:14:43.840 --> 1:14:47.080 blood remember, bloods are not like they're more like a 1:14:48.840 --> 1:14:53.880 conglomerate of different groups that existed before crips. Right on, 1:14:53.920 --> 1:14:56.960 the boys that's before crips, the chain gang which became 1:14:57.000 --> 1:15:01.439 the families before crips, Brims, all of these different things 1:15:01.520 --> 1:15:05.040 at the park, boys, Piru, street boys. These are before gangs, 1:15:05.880 --> 1:15:09.240 like the way we see games. So from what I've 1:15:09.280 --> 1:15:12.800 been able to really decipher is the guys and communities 1:15:12.840 --> 1:15:16.599 that could they could fight off this uprising of young 1:15:16.720 --> 1:15:20.040 dudes you know, called the cryps coming to their neighborhood. 1:15:20.400 --> 1:15:22.479 Those guys kind of got with each other. And that's 1:15:22.520 --> 1:15:26.439 what you know is bloods like Grims, you know Bonnie 1:15:26.479 --> 1:15:29.880 and the boys. You know, the families, which is you know, 1:15:30.280 --> 1:15:34.400 Chang gang like all of these things them was before crips. 1:15:35.000 --> 1:15:37.280 I know for sure, the Chang Gang at this park 1:15:37.400 --> 1:15:41.839 boys Bonnie on his day before crips, like their groups, 1:15:42.600 --> 1:15:44.960 and then they became bloods later. 1:15:46.520 --> 1:15:49.360 Just think of the coen tail pro aspect of that. 1:15:49.760 --> 1:15:52.840 Why would we need to form other groups against other 1:15:52.960 --> 1:15:53.559 black men? 1:15:54.200 --> 1:15:54.880 You know what I'm saying. 1:15:55.760 --> 1:15:58.160 That's why I always look at I always look at 1:15:58.360 --> 1:16:01.400 knowing what happened to the panthers, knowing what happened to 1:16:01.560 --> 1:16:05.040 Malcolm in the nation that once that was dissolved and 1:16:05.120 --> 1:16:07.679 what that looked like that was destroyed, then they gonna 1:16:07.680 --> 1:16:11.679 they're gonna implement that throughout every little organization of black people, 1:16:11.960 --> 1:16:15.559 you know, in the country, any and the inner cities 1:16:15.720 --> 1:16:19.519 like that, especially, says and they warriors. They got a 1:16:19.560 --> 1:16:22.599 lot of pent up energy and testosterone. They know it's 1:16:22.680 --> 1:16:24.880 time to fight against the enemy, but they don't know 1:16:24.960 --> 1:16:26.360 what enemy they're supposed to fight. 1:16:27.160 --> 1:16:27.559 That's why I. 1:16:27.520 --> 1:16:30.080 Wouldn't take That's why I wouldn't take the job because 1:16:30.080 --> 1:16:33.280 I always felt like like like a like a regular 1:16:33.400 --> 1:16:34.800 forgive me, and you know. 1:16:34.920 --> 1:16:36.599 This could be one of the things that be a problem. 1:16:36.680 --> 1:16:39.400 But just scientifically speaking, like. 1:16:40.920 --> 1:16:43.719 A regular vaccine was built off taking a weakened virus 1:16:44.520 --> 1:16:46.960 and checking in your body and your body formulating the 1:16:47.000 --> 1:16:49.120 correct white blood cells and all the right stuff to 1:16:49.280 --> 1:16:52.560 fight it off. It's another thing to take a vaccine 1:16:52.960 --> 1:16:56.560 that's built on the synthetic representation of the protein, so 1:16:56.640 --> 1:17:00.200 it's a fake version of the protein that your he 1:17:00.280 --> 1:17:03.120 won't have to fight anything off, but it formulates the 1:17:03.240 --> 1:17:07.920 warriors like Camp and if it's warriors, mm hm, they may. 1:17:08.160 --> 1:17:10.800 That's how my mind always processed why I didn't want 1:17:10.800 --> 1:17:15.360 to take that. Yeah, well you know you right, bro, 1:17:16.240 --> 1:17:21.519 it's not I'm not I can't and mathematically speaking, but. 1:17:24.640 --> 1:17:27.280 I don't know if it's you Have you ever heard 1:17:27.280 --> 1:17:31.479 of m k ultra? Yeah, mind control? 1:17:32.200 --> 1:17:36.320 Yeah, so you think about this. I learned new stuff 1:17:36.400 --> 1:17:38.120 every day because I you know, I read a lot 1:17:38.160 --> 1:17:39.920 to do a lot of research on this stuff. Right, 1:17:42.280 --> 1:17:51.120 Charles Manson, Whitey Bulger, like Charles Manson in particular, you know, 1:17:51.600 --> 1:17:55.240 they practiced mk ultra on him, right, he was meant 1:17:55.280 --> 1:17:57.519 to go out and facilitate to start a race war 1:17:57.600 --> 1:17:59.720 or something like that. Man, And that was a real thing. 1:17:59.840 --> 1:18:00.880 You ever heard of that camp? 1:18:01.520 --> 1:18:03.160 Yeah? Yeah, I heard a lot of a lot about that. 1:18:03.840 --> 1:18:06.600 Yeah. He was really like like even Whitey Boulger, like 1:18:06.720 --> 1:18:10.719 you know, white Boulger, anybody that would listen, he would 1:18:10.720 --> 1:18:13.040 tell her, Man, I wasn't really a criminal until they 1:18:13.080 --> 1:18:15.560 start doing that stuff with me in prison, you know, 1:18:15.680 --> 1:18:17.960 and making me and I do stuff, and I don't remember. 1:18:17.760 --> 1:18:24.600 Sometimes you know, uh you know you remember you know 1:18:24.760 --> 1:18:29.519 Dion stayed on aswerk. Yeah, yeah, I know a couple 1:18:29.560 --> 1:18:34.000 of you talking about from from from the park, Yeah, LaToya, Yeah, 1:18:34.680 --> 1:18:37.639 so they her son Mike. Yeah. 1:18:38.680 --> 1:18:42.880 Man, he used to tell me his experience, and I 1:18:42.960 --> 1:18:45.960 think they used to do something to him. Absolutely, not 1:18:46.680 --> 1:18:50.519 not the prisoners, but the police. No, No, absolutely, he 1:18:50.920 --> 1:18:53.880 was a cooper. But like the way he talked about jail, 1:18:54.040 --> 1:18:55.880 I could tell what had nothing to do with the 1:18:56.160 --> 1:19:00.000 other inmates. It was like like medicine or they did something. 1:19:00.479 --> 1:19:05.960 Absolutely is real. G Yeah, I mean I don't I'm 1:19:06.000 --> 1:19:08.760 not saying it's really false. I'm just saying that's how 1:19:08.800 --> 1:19:11.000 he talked about it. Like he talked about it like 1:19:11.400 --> 1:19:12.800 they mess with his mind or something. 1:19:12.840 --> 1:19:15.360 Absolutely, absolutely they do. 1:19:15.600 --> 1:19:19.000 And especially if you if you're going in that that 1:19:19.439 --> 1:19:23.000 that sector, like you're having you know, psychological issues, then 1:19:23.080 --> 1:19:26.000 you you basically open yourself up to be a lab rat. 1:19:28.520 --> 1:19:30.160 Here's a question, because I ain't gonna we ain't gonna 1:19:30.240 --> 1:19:32.760 drag this thing out. Here's a question that I had 1:19:32.800 --> 1:19:33.440 to start. 1:19:34.840 --> 1:19:35.320 Every day. 1:19:35.479 --> 1:19:40.360 Poverty is kind of being segregated. Where were right where 1:19:40.479 --> 1:19:43.160 Back back when I was younger, back when y'all was younger, 1:19:43.240 --> 1:19:44.160 we could be poor together. 1:19:44.760 --> 1:19:45.280 Mm hmmm. 1:19:45.560 --> 1:19:48.200 Yeah, we had our problem, but we could be poor together, right, 1:19:48.240 --> 1:19:51.000 and that poverty together is where we get that culture 1:19:51.040 --> 1:19:51.719 from in general. 1:19:51.840 --> 1:19:54.679 Right, we we all come together, we all create these movements, 1:19:54.720 --> 1:19:55.400 and we're together. 1:19:55.920 --> 1:19:58.920 And now what they're doing with poverty is they're making 1:19:58.960 --> 1:20:01.880 it spread out, like they pushed it into different. 1:20:01.640 --> 1:20:04.839 Places where you don't have a community. Like they's stripping 1:20:06.120 --> 1:20:10.600 us of community in the form, in the form of selfishness. 1:20:11.080 --> 1:20:13.240 They inspire you to go for selfie. 1:20:13.400 --> 1:20:15.360 You know, like you said, we used to be together 1:20:15.479 --> 1:20:17.160 and if one of us is starving, didn't have no 1:20:17.280 --> 1:20:20.280 clothes and no shoes, no eggs or whatever, then you know, 1:20:20.400 --> 1:20:23.680 we're covered down and we'll get through it together, as 1:20:23.720 --> 1:20:27.160 opposed to now they checking this. You know, theyne programmed 1:20:27.240 --> 1:20:30.400 us to go for self, not for for kind, not 1:20:30.560 --> 1:20:33.559 for go for self and kind, but go for your 1:20:33.640 --> 1:20:37.280 individual self at the expense of your other people. In 1:20:37.360 --> 1:20:40.760 other words, y'all, y'all stay together as long as y'all can, 1:20:40.960 --> 1:20:43.320 y'all be poor and struggling and help each other while 1:20:43.400 --> 1:20:45.040 y'all poor. But as soon as one of them get 1:20:45.080 --> 1:20:48.439 the opportunity to go get some or they hand pick 1:20:48.520 --> 1:20:51.640 one of y'all and and you know, and isolate you 1:20:51.720 --> 1:20:53.120 and give you something. 1:20:53.840 --> 1:20:57.000 Then they gonna take that and just go for. 1:20:57.120 --> 1:21:01.600 Self, and then that's gonna inspire the envy and the 1:21:02.040 --> 1:21:05.559 anger of the masses that you came from. So now 1:21:06.120 --> 1:21:08.080 there against each other. Now it's a it's a it's 1:21:08.120 --> 1:21:10.560 a gap against you know, people that used to be 1:21:10.840 --> 1:21:11.200 down with. 1:21:12.080 --> 1:21:14.120 Like they talked about the trick Baby, that little clip 1:21:14.160 --> 1:21:18.799 where the liberals and conservatives was arguing and they were saying. 1:21:18.600 --> 1:21:22.680 That, like, uh, what about playing for you? H what 1:21:22.800 --> 1:21:24.479 it's called trick Baby? 1:21:24.600 --> 1:21:27.240 It's that same era of film. You heard this to me, 1:21:27.439 --> 1:21:30.920 time to play for you. But it's that it talks 1:21:30.960 --> 1:21:35.679 about that same exact thing. Here, it is right here. 1:21:37.960 --> 1:21:45.600 Listenly lifted the mop power. It's you liberals who have 1:21:45.720 --> 1:21:49.240 lifted the mop power. You conservatives make a mistake. 1:21:50.000 --> 1:21:55.559 You can't afford the strangle hoping Without hope, people become dangerous. 1:21:56.600 --> 1:21:59.720 You liberals have left them in our society. You give 1:21:59.760 --> 1:22:04.120 them job political job. Boy, you missed the point. Only 1:22:04.160 --> 1:22:08.120 the smart ones we move up. That makes it even worse. Oh, 1:22:08.240 --> 1:22:09.680 you know, we have to move them up. 1:22:10.120 --> 1:22:12.040 If we leave a smart one in the ghetto, he 1:22:12.120 --> 1:22:14.640 might develop into a leader against us. But then we 1:22:14.880 --> 1:22:19.240 raise him up into white society. We neutralize. He feels 1:22:19.320 --> 1:22:23.760 compelled to try to act like us, his identity and 1:22:24.600 --> 1:22:28.680 his racial anger. If he hasn't, he becomes alien to 1:22:28.800 --> 1:22:32.120 his brothers. They realized he sold them out, and they 1:22:32.200 --> 1:22:36.280 grow to hate him. He becomes to them and safe 1:22:36.360 --> 1:22:39.960 for us. No thank you in fact, and his love 1:22:40.040 --> 1:22:42.040 for the creature comforts except for his color. 1:22:43.400 --> 1:22:44.800 He's become one of us. 1:22:46.200 --> 1:22:49.080 Man, I ain't never seen that or heard that, but 1:22:49.360 --> 1:22:55.679 he absolutely right that before it's called trick baby, Nah, 1:22:55.760 --> 1:22:57.439 I ain't never seen that clip. 1:22:57.560 --> 1:22:58.120 The clip is. 1:22:58.200 --> 1:23:01.600 Crazy, and I always remember it because everybody around me 1:23:01.640 --> 1:23:04.360 gets so mad. They feel like I'm against money, and 1:23:04.520 --> 1:23:07.080 it's like everybody feels like I have more opportunities. They're 1:23:07.080 --> 1:23:09.160 like last man, this person, like this person. I'm like, 1:23:09.280 --> 1:23:13.080 I'm not selling nothing out and that's so hard for 1:23:13.200 --> 1:23:13.880 people to get. 1:23:14.200 --> 1:23:14.240 Like. 1:23:14.280 --> 1:23:16.200 Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Satan came to 1:23:16.320 --> 1:23:19.519 me or I knew the nigga was Satan, but I'm 1:23:19.560 --> 1:23:22.160 saying it's not that. But you can't get me to 1:23:22.320 --> 1:23:27.120 compromise nothing of disrespecting my section feel me for a dollar, 1:23:27.800 --> 1:23:30.120 And that could be because I ain't never you know, 1:23:30.280 --> 1:23:34.120 I've had I've never been poor or or what people 1:23:34.320 --> 1:23:36.720 like as poor as other people. I've been broke, like 1:23:36.840 --> 1:23:39.120 the fist took everything from my mom twice. I've had 1:23:39.160 --> 1:23:42.000 everything took it for me twice as a kid. But 1:23:42.120 --> 1:23:44.960 I've also had enough to realize it ain't worth in 1:23:45.040 --> 1:23:45.920 any goddamn way. 1:23:47.920 --> 1:23:50.519 Can I play something on that note? I know you 1:23:50.640 --> 1:23:53.080 know you don't like to make waves or nothing like that, 1:23:53.320 --> 1:24:00.760 but you know making waves just breaking? Uh? Damn? Where 1:24:00.880 --> 1:24:01.200 is this that? 1:24:02.280 --> 1:24:02.479 Yeah? 1:24:03.400 --> 1:24:07.280 What you think about this? Damn? Where is that? Hold on? Second? 1:24:07.760 --> 1:24:10.880 All right? Still? What they are you doing? If I'm 1:24:10.880 --> 1:24:13.920 glad people can't see you on this podcast? You're looking down? No, 1:24:14.080 --> 1:24:15.800 I was. I was looking at some on the phone 1:24:15.840 --> 1:24:16.880 reading the text. Mister bro. 1:24:19.080 --> 1:24:22.280 Which one of you jigbo ass niggas gonna be the 1:24:22.360 --> 1:24:23.080 first one to do. 1:24:25.760 --> 1:24:29.800 Did you? Uncle Tom asked niggas for sure? Which one 1:24:29.840 --> 1:24:31.040 are you niggas gonna do it first? 1:24:32.120 --> 1:24:35.880 H So let me tell you my thoughts on that. 1:24:36.000 --> 1:24:42.000 I'm gonna well had that conversation. Yeah, I've seen that. 1:24:42.160 --> 1:24:43.600 I've seen that funny. 1:24:45.680 --> 1:24:47.679 So that right there? 1:24:47.960 --> 1:24:52.640 Like how if you say with trick baby, somebody, you 1:24:52.720 --> 1:24:54.760 know that's what that's our brother, we love him. That's 1:24:54.840 --> 1:24:59.799 you doing one good roast deserving another. He's literally roasting. 1:25:00.080 --> 1:25:02.640 I'm an roast whichever when you jiggaboo or with you, 1:25:02.760 --> 1:25:04.160 you know what I'm saying, I. 1:25:04.240 --> 1:25:07.080 Don't you know. I'll be honest, big bro. I don't 1:25:07.120 --> 1:25:09.800 know why you felt like that the first time. I mean, 1:25:09.880 --> 1:25:11.599 we know that. I mean, but that's something we got. 1:25:11.720 --> 1:25:12.720 We gotta talk about it. 1:25:13.479 --> 1:25:17.240 You still using your influence to shame and to clown 1:25:17.479 --> 1:25:21.280 those of us that might have a different political viewpoint 1:25:21.439 --> 1:25:23.920 or like like a And that's my point. 1:25:24.040 --> 1:25:28.760 So like, I'm good with Dog being clown right for 1:25:30.960 --> 1:25:35.320 for actually talking shit about politicians. You know what I mean. 1:25:35.520 --> 1:25:38.960 I know he's talking about us. Who who might want 1:25:38.960 --> 1:25:40.760 to vote for a particular politician? 1:25:40.840 --> 1:25:45.280 Oh no, that's what I was telling. Somebody defend Snoop 1:25:45.360 --> 1:25:46.200 Dogg from your time. 1:25:47.080 --> 1:25:49.680 I'm ana defend him too, But I'm a defenda. I 1:25:49.720 --> 1:25:52.240 don't act like I just defend Dog. I'm probably Dog's 1:25:52.240 --> 1:25:56.439 hardest critical but I'm also honest. I've always said this. 1:25:56.640 --> 1:25:59.760 I didn't know when he was You are a cryopologist. Gee, 1:26:00.360 --> 1:26:02.080 I'm not a crypt apologist. 1:26:05.400 --> 1:26:06.439 Was just who you are? 1:26:06.720 --> 1:26:11.160 You were crips, loyalty for your people, that's not true. 1:26:11.200 --> 1:26:14.640 I talk bad about crips and bloods and white people equally. 1:26:16.000 --> 1:26:18.080 If you do for ship. I'm talking. 1:26:18.720 --> 1:26:21.120 I said this when that first happened, when I saw that, 1:26:21.200 --> 1:26:23.479 when that first came out, I'm like, why do we 1:26:23.600 --> 1:26:26.360 care which one of these white people win or which 1:26:26.360 --> 1:26:28.080 from these parts? These all the people ain't doing right 1:26:28.120 --> 1:26:30.240 by black people. I don't care if you do business 1:26:30.320 --> 1:26:32.679 one none of them, because none of them is righteous. 1:26:33.600 --> 1:26:35.719 The last one that probably was all right was JFK. 1:26:35.880 --> 1:26:37.960 He ain't get a chance to even be righteous. So 1:26:38.120 --> 1:26:42.800 again I always felt like his position even like to me, 1:26:43.080 --> 1:26:45.840 I felt like he got pressured by Black America into 1:26:45.920 --> 1:26:46.400 that stance. 1:26:46.920 --> 1:26:47.559 He messed with. 1:26:47.680 --> 1:26:51.920 Dude, But what that wasn't a trick baby example, a 1:26:52.000 --> 1:26:54.000 trick baby like one. 1:26:53.920 --> 1:26:54.679 Of us, he said. 1:26:54.680 --> 1:26:59.760 As far as people lifting him up, it could be. 1:27:00.880 --> 1:27:02.720 I mean, I don't think the culture is going to 1:27:02.800 --> 1:27:05.280 turn on him, because the culture don't hate Donald Trump. 1:27:05.880 --> 1:27:06.719 What's the culture? 1:27:07.840 --> 1:27:11.080 Our culture specific street arvy culture based out of southern California. 1:27:11.560 --> 1:27:13.440 I would I have to disagree. 1:27:13.680 --> 1:27:16.040 I would have to I think the culture is evolving 1:27:16.160 --> 1:27:19.040 now and becoming more conscious like it was, and it's 1:27:19.120 --> 1:27:22.240 holding us accountable more than what than it ever did before. 1:27:22.320 --> 1:27:22.960 That's what I think. 1:27:24.080 --> 1:27:27.920 I definitely don't believe that, but I think they're trying 1:27:27.960 --> 1:27:31.040 to you know what I'm saying, because I don't think 1:27:31.080 --> 1:27:35.160 that y'all the people that raise y'all like all, like 1:27:35.320 --> 1:27:38.040 you know, they were smarter forgive me. 1:27:39.360 --> 1:27:41.960 So the culture, the culture, the culture is not. 1:27:43.479 --> 1:27:46.600 Like even if the culture is being manipulated and influenced 1:27:46.680 --> 1:27:49.679 by the enemy, they already have been put a battery 1:27:49.760 --> 1:27:50.400 in the cultures. 1:27:50.439 --> 1:27:53.120 Back to hate the Orange man, right. 1:27:53.479 --> 1:27:56.160 Because because growing up and again I don't want to 1:27:56.200 --> 1:27:59.439 make this a thing for Trump like Trump, look, you 1:27:59.520 --> 1:28:03.320 really should like no politicians, especially when I'm talking about 1:28:03.920 --> 1:28:06.559 reparations and making the right wrong. That's the first time 1:28:06.640 --> 1:28:09.759 you can't believe in the American system. If the oldest 1:28:09.840 --> 1:28:12.760 mistake they've ever made, they haven't apologized and came out 1:28:12.800 --> 1:28:14.000 and repaired that relationship. 1:28:14.280 --> 1:28:20.320 Facts talk about reparations, they haven't even a politicized or acknowledge. 1:28:21.680 --> 1:28:24.920 Right there, That's how I see it right now, dog 1:28:25.880 --> 1:28:26.680 like in growing up. 1:28:26.720 --> 1:28:29.679 First off, before we get the dog growing up, Trump 1:28:29.800 --> 1:28:33.080 was a black celebrity my whole life right. I know 1:28:33.200 --> 1:28:35.720 that's a very odd thing to say. But Trump was 1:28:35.840 --> 1:28:38.800 only popular in black fold still when I was little. 1:28:38.920 --> 1:28:46.080 I've never seen the white people. Trump was severe lyrics like. 1:28:46.720 --> 1:28:49.679 But before that, I'm saying Trump was on Oprah. Trump 1:28:49.800 --> 1:28:53.439 gave Walter Payton, like the first million dollar contract for football, 1:28:54.439 --> 1:28:58.760 Walter Payton under herschel Walker herschel Walker Trump, you know 1:28:58.760 --> 1:29:03.880 what I mean. Trump was with uh, Jesse Jackson, gave 1:29:03.960 --> 1:29:04.479 him some money. 1:29:04.520 --> 1:29:08.880 Trump was all with Rosa Parks, Muhammad Ali, you name it. 1:29:08.960 --> 1:29:10.519 Trump was I don't even know that. 1:29:10.760 --> 1:29:14.080 I'm just saying what I remember. Obviously in the eighties 1:29:15.120 --> 1:29:18.559 he was a black celebrity. Still my whole life. Now again, 1:29:18.840 --> 1:29:22.479 he's a white man, and I'm sure he asked forgive 1:29:22.520 --> 1:29:22.840 me Trump. 1:29:22.880 --> 1:29:26.320 I know, you listen this pot probably you know he's racists. 1:29:26.360 --> 1:29:28.280 Every other white man. They don't have no choice. They've 1:29:28.280 --> 1:29:30.080 been in this country. They've been programmed for years, so 1:29:30.160 --> 1:29:30.720 they're going to have. 1:29:31.040 --> 1:29:35.120 According to his actions, he was a little less racist 1:29:35.160 --> 1:29:36.920 than any white president before him. 1:29:37.360 --> 1:29:39.479 True, true, he's he's. 1:29:39.439 --> 1:29:41.920 That's the part that gets me, Like you're saying, I'm 1:29:42.000 --> 1:29:45.240 fascinated to how did y'all get the emotional hate battery 1:29:45.320 --> 1:29:48.479 in your back, calling him super racist, winning he ain't 1:29:48.520 --> 1:29:52.879 did nothing racist compare compared to all of the presidents, 1:29:52.960 --> 1:29:54.799 including Obama before him. 1:29:54.960 --> 1:29:59.880 Sure, which which I think real presidents are. It's a 1:30:00.080 --> 1:30:02.599 tough job. Let's just say that. I'm about this job. 1:30:03.040 --> 1:30:03.439 Tough job. 1:30:03.479 --> 1:30:05.080 You won't make a dumb it and none of them 1:30:05.120 --> 1:30:07.000 apologize or repair the relationship. 1:30:07.080 --> 1:30:08.000 So that's the problem. 1:30:08.439 --> 1:30:11.280 But again Trump, and this is not a Trump commercial. 1:30:11.320 --> 1:30:13.360 I'm not saying love for Trump. It's not I'm not 1:30:13.439 --> 1:30:16.880 saying believe it Trump. I'm telling you my whole life, 1:30:17.160 --> 1:30:18.160 black people love Trump. 1:30:19.200 --> 1:30:20.519 And then one day. 1:30:22.400 --> 1:30:24.280 I can't tell you today, but I had to be 1:30:24.360 --> 1:30:28.360 in my thirties when it's happened. Trump became like a 1:30:28.520 --> 1:30:32.280 regular white man and black people. Now, how it happened 1:30:32.360 --> 1:30:35.479 is a different story, but I'm telling you that. So 1:30:35.800 --> 1:30:39.000 even when Snoop was saying it the first time, even 1:30:39.040 --> 1:30:41.160 when the Homies put out the song saying fuck him, 1:30:41.720 --> 1:30:43.920 I didn't quite understand what was happening. 1:30:44.760 --> 1:30:46.880 But anybody tell me shit about white people, that's good 1:30:46.920 --> 1:30:52.360 with me. I'm sorry, not not if you being manipulated. 1:30:52.520 --> 1:30:55.240 Right, So this is the manipulation, and I'm not gonna 1:30:55.439 --> 1:30:57.479 get this page flagged and all of that. 1:30:57.720 --> 1:30:58.880 But there's a. 1:30:58.960 --> 1:31:03.040 Super deception came in when when when Trump was running 1:31:03.080 --> 1:31:05.519 for president, this is where it all went left against him. 1:31:06.080 --> 1:31:08.760 And that have to do with Gentiles and the and 1:31:08.920 --> 1:31:14.040 the J word. Right, so the oldest beef in the world, 1:31:14.320 --> 1:31:16.800 you know, old Haffield and McCoy. You know what I'm saying, 1:31:17.160 --> 1:31:18.679 big brother versus little brother. 1:31:20.640 --> 1:31:23.160 But you know, it had to do with with. 1:31:26.320 --> 1:31:31.360 Doude not going along with the program, with the program 1:31:31.760 --> 1:31:36.360 and those those people from the j side of the game. 1:31:36.880 --> 1:31:41.639 Considering the deception is they they don't consider themselves white. 1:31:42.439 --> 1:31:44.600 So that's the deception. They want to say that they 1:31:44.640 --> 1:31:47.320 are a different race, that that's not white. 1:31:47.360 --> 1:31:49.880 And then they want to use their influence and their 1:31:50.000 --> 1:31:53.400 money and their media to try to side up with 1:31:53.600 --> 1:31:56.799 the with the blacks and say that we're we're suffered 1:31:56.880 --> 1:31:57.639 like you we're. 1:31:59.400 --> 1:31:59.599 Yeah. 1:31:59.680 --> 1:32:03.560 So now the enemy is now the enemy is white supremacy. 1:32:03.680 --> 1:32:06.200 Like wait, wait minute, you're you're white. Yes, no, we're 1:32:06.280 --> 1:32:08.560 not white, we're Jays, you know what I'm saying. So, 1:32:08.960 --> 1:32:10.760 and we got the money. They get mad at me. 1:32:10.800 --> 1:32:12.920 I'm like, bro, you're white. Yeah, and we got the 1:32:13.000 --> 1:32:14.920 money though. We got the money in the media to 1:32:15.880 --> 1:32:20.000 back up your black organizations. But you have to embrace 1:32:20.160 --> 1:32:22.719 us as being something other than white. We're not white, 1:32:22.760 --> 1:32:23.280 We're one of you. 1:32:23.760 --> 1:32:24.439 So I got it right. 1:32:24.520 --> 1:32:27.120 So again, so with Dog, I never agreed with him 1:32:27.160 --> 1:32:31.240 saying it the first time. I never agreed with him 1:32:31.320 --> 1:32:35.000 saying it the first time. It was more like, really, like, 1:32:35.640 --> 1:32:39.360 do these people like ain't these people all kind of 1:32:39.479 --> 1:32:40.360 like okay? 1:32:41.439 --> 1:32:42.320 And they were cool. 1:32:42.720 --> 1:32:45.479 He was at his rose before he said that, right, 1:32:46.320 --> 1:32:50.760 He was at his rose right, So I'm like, huh. 1:32:51.040 --> 1:32:55.400 So I always thought to myself, you might regret saying 1:32:55.479 --> 1:32:57.960 that now. I didn't think Dog would get in no trouble. 1:32:58.520 --> 1:33:01.040 I thought it could be a moment like this, Well 1:33:01.120 --> 1:33:03.240 you look up one day you'll be like, wait a minute, 1:33:03.280 --> 1:33:04.360 I got some money. 1:33:05.720 --> 1:33:08.519 And I need to be in cahoots with other people 1:33:08.520 --> 1:33:09.400 who got some money. 1:33:11.160 --> 1:33:14.560 But that's cool if it wouldn't have went to the 1:33:14.720 --> 1:33:17.639 violent suggestion way, right. So if you if you're doing 1:33:17.760 --> 1:33:19.960 videos with a blicky you know what I'm saying, and 1:33:20.120 --> 1:33:23.920 got a stunt, you know, somebody that's playing him you 1:33:24.000 --> 1:33:26.920 know what I'm saying, and then he actually, you know, 1:33:27.040 --> 1:33:29.840 winds up getting down there, Domed, you know what I'm saying, 1:33:29.880 --> 1:33:31.840 And then Trump is not gonna take it like that. 1:33:32.120 --> 1:33:34.560 He's not gonna take it as entertainment. He knows the 1:33:34.720 --> 1:33:37.160 power of media and influence. 1:33:37.200 --> 1:33:38.280 He knows the power of. 1:33:39.800 --> 1:33:42.120 Yeah, because that's how you that's how you stir the 1:33:42.200 --> 1:33:46.320 people up in outrage. You use media, you use artists, 1:33:46.760 --> 1:33:49.840 you use actors, you use athletes, and say that this 1:33:49.960 --> 1:33:52.280 person is hitler and he needs to be tooken out 1:33:52.360 --> 1:33:54.360 and he needs to be such a setting people actually 1:33:54.439 --> 1:33:55.280 try to take him out. 1:33:55.600 --> 1:33:57.439 You think that dude is gonna forget that? 1:33:57.560 --> 1:34:00.040 You think you know you you you you say and 1:34:00.120 --> 1:34:01.960 were cool and I'm gonna perform at your such and 1:34:02.040 --> 1:34:05.360 such as making dug for like, forget that. You know 1:34:05.400 --> 1:34:07.720 what I'm saying. It's not gonna go like that. He 1:34:07.960 --> 1:34:09.960 Trump is one of them, real dude. His name is 1:34:10.080 --> 1:34:12.600 Don for a reason that he's wanted, really one of 1:34:12.640 --> 1:34:13.320 them dudes for. 1:34:13.880 --> 1:34:14.639 Queen's New York. 1:34:15.320 --> 1:34:20.519 But he's a he owns casinos and even Queen we 1:34:20.560 --> 1:34:24.360 ain't got to know, you know what I'm saying, Queen's guy. 1:34:24.760 --> 1:34:26.840 So you know what that means, you know how he's. 1:34:27.120 --> 1:34:29.680 Yeah, he's in he's in Dubai, he's in Russia, he 1:34:29.760 --> 1:34:32.200 got casino, he got he got that type of business 1:34:32.240 --> 1:34:34.160 all around the world. So you know, you can't be 1:34:34.280 --> 1:34:36.200 in that business, let alone be a boss in that 1:34:36.280 --> 1:34:39.000 business unless you were a real boss in that type 1:34:39.000 --> 1:34:43.080 of world. He's not playing. He's from the same camp 1:34:43.439 --> 1:34:46.200 that that you know, did what they did with JFK. 1:34:47.600 --> 1:34:51.400 The only one that's you know, that's the the op. Now. 1:34:51.640 --> 1:34:55.040 The bigger op is is them small caps that you 1:34:55.160 --> 1:34:57.760 know have an influence over the government or the like 1:34:57.840 --> 1:35:01.880 then and Yahoo situation. So it's way bigger than these 1:35:02.040 --> 1:35:05.000 ninja rappers that should have kept their mouth shut. That's 1:35:05.080 --> 1:35:06.680 what I'm saying. My point is you should have just 1:35:06.760 --> 1:35:07.360 stayed out of that. 1:35:07.640 --> 1:35:10.120 But you we can't go back in time now, but 1:35:11.160 --> 1:35:16.440 I think you got it coming. Every bit of criticism 1:35:16.520 --> 1:35:18.800 he had for one and not for all the rest 1:35:18.880 --> 1:35:22.000 of them, right almost something. So that's why I like, 1:35:22.680 --> 1:35:24.800 even when I saw it, somebody was like this, you 1:35:24.800 --> 1:35:26.479 ain't gonna comment or it's just coach. I'm like, this 1:35:26.600 --> 1:35:28.200 don't got nothing to do with culture. This is somebody 1:35:28.280 --> 1:35:30.400 put their foot in their mouth and now they about 1:35:30.400 --> 1:35:34.040 to look crazy. So I'm sure next time. You understand, 1:35:34.160 --> 1:35:34.920 I shouldn't say that. 1:35:35.840 --> 1:35:39.040 Well, it's not gonna be the next time. And that's 1:35:39.160 --> 1:35:43.439 part of you know, when when Grace is up or 1:35:43.520 --> 1:35:44.840 quote unquote end of the world. 1:35:45.000 --> 1:35:47.639 Certain certain things, you know, even like the final Call, 1:35:47.720 --> 1:35:49.559 the final Call, don't last forever. 1:35:49.600 --> 1:35:50.160 It's named that. 1:35:50.320 --> 1:35:54.800 The Nation of Islam newspaper is named that for a reason. Final, final, 1:35:55.479 --> 1:35:56.120 final call. 1:35:57.000 --> 1:35:57.200 You know. 1:35:58.160 --> 1:36:01.640 So everybody gonna be less, everybody gonna be examples in 1:36:01.760 --> 1:36:05.519 one way or the other. So but these people, like 1:36:05.600 --> 1:36:07.920 the Bible say, I ain't gonna get into that, but woe, 1:36:08.400 --> 1:36:10.760 you know, woe to the inhabitors of the earth and 1:36:10.840 --> 1:36:14.479 the sea, because you know, the devil coming down on you, 1:36:14.640 --> 1:36:16.960 having great wrath because he know he got but a 1:36:17.040 --> 1:36:20.599 short time. And you know they already drew first first 1:36:20.680 --> 1:36:24.000 blazer on on Trump. So I don't think he's coming 1:36:24.080 --> 1:36:27.479 back to the ain't for sure coming back. Well, he's 1:36:27.560 --> 1:36:31.240 like he's like the political Christ of America. 1:36:31.479 --> 1:36:32.479 He comes back. 1:36:32.520 --> 1:36:35.960 He raised, he was rolled, he rolls shit, and he's back. 1:36:36.000 --> 1:36:38.280 And he's not coming back to hug nobody and to 1:36:38.400 --> 1:36:41.040 love nobody. He's coming back to deal with the people 1:36:41.080 --> 1:36:44.599 that try to crucify it. That's what I think if 1:36:44.640 --> 1:36:45.360 you was to ask me. 1:36:45.439 --> 1:36:50.160 It would be very mafia fitting mafia. 1:36:50.880 --> 1:36:52.600 But at the end of the day, Dog said that, 1:36:52.720 --> 1:36:54.600 and that's what somebody said to me. I'm like, bro, 1:36:54.880 --> 1:36:57.160 like he got to deal with putting his foot in 1:36:57.240 --> 1:37:00.680 his mouth. I didn't agree when he said it first. Thing, like, 1:37:01.560 --> 1:37:06.200 I wouldn't have said that minus the fear. Just the's 1:37:06.280 --> 1:37:09.400 all white people, there's all presidents and this one particularly, 1:37:10.320 --> 1:37:12.479 you couldn't have felt this way three years ago because 1:37:12.520 --> 1:37:14.439 you just did his roast like you would have Like 1:37:14.560 --> 1:37:17.160 imagine like somebody going to Hitler's roast and then you're 1:37:17.160 --> 1:37:18.200 talking about you was. 1:37:18.200 --> 1:37:20.599 At his roast, boy, Like, what's happening? Right? 1:37:20.960 --> 1:37:24.360 And I'm just gonna say, and I'm not happy about this, 1:37:24.520 --> 1:37:27.280 but this is something that you know, we we we 1:37:27.439 --> 1:37:31.960 give warnings and hopefully you know, our people, our brothers 1:37:32.000 --> 1:37:35.400 and sisters that that that's in harm's way, would would 1:37:35.439 --> 1:37:39.160 try to come towards the towards the nation. 1:37:39.560 --> 1:37:42.960 You know what I'm saying. But rest in peace, Nip. 1:37:43.320 --> 1:37:46.240 But the most popular song at that time was the 1:37:46.439 --> 1:37:48.840 F T P F Donald Trump F Donald. So you know, 1:37:48.920 --> 1:37:51.760 the only one that's left, I believe is YG right, 1:37:53.880 --> 1:37:58.360 So brother, young brother YG like trust and believe you 1:37:58.439 --> 1:38:01.080 know you next on the list, I believe. 1:38:01.000 --> 1:38:01.679 You know what I'm saying. 1:38:01.760 --> 1:38:07.000 So there's no amount of blooding or street tough guys 1:38:07.080 --> 1:38:10.200 stuff that you know, because this this man don't he 1:38:10.280 --> 1:38:10.840 don't play that. 1:38:11.560 --> 1:38:14.200 So it's just something, you know what I'm saying. I 1:38:14.439 --> 1:38:18.720 would to get out in front of that there Lonzo 1:38:18.840 --> 1:38:20.600 in the Jungles last scene on you. 1:38:22.160 --> 1:38:25.840 I mean, you know, whenever you do something that bold 1:38:25.960 --> 1:38:28.360 and that blatant and it and it takes off it 1:38:28.600 --> 1:38:33.080 because you know, the the handlers, those those uh, those 1:38:33.439 --> 1:38:36.200 those j's is making sure it takes off. You know, 1:38:36.800 --> 1:38:41.000 Ja's making sure that song go viral. And since it 1:38:41.120 --> 1:38:43.439 was just Nip and him, right, it wasn't nobody else 1:38:43.479 --> 1:38:48.200 on that song, was it. Yeah, then you know that's 1:38:48.400 --> 1:38:52.920 that's even more then than Snoop. You know, that's even 1:38:53.000 --> 1:38:55.680 more of a you know, he he want to he 1:38:55.760 --> 1:38:58.439 want to call you to the carpet even more than Snoop. 1:38:58.479 --> 1:39:02.240 So I would, I Wouldnybody that you know that that 1:39:02.439 --> 1:39:05.640 have an ear or got YG's here probably need to 1:39:05.720 --> 1:39:08.639 really counsel him on how to maneuver. 1:39:09.320 --> 1:39:13.800 Right now, stay low, Yeah, Yeah, and just get what 1:39:14.080 --> 1:39:14.280 you know. 1:39:14.320 --> 1:39:17.240 Get some wise council, some wise spiritual counsel on how 1:39:17.280 --> 1:39:20.080 to how to maneuver because uh, Orange Man is coming 1:39:20.200 --> 1:39:20.559 for sure. 1:39:22.920 --> 1:39:28.560 Sure you're right, they're looking out for tuning into the 1:39:28.640 --> 1:39:31.880 No Salers podcast. Please do us a favorite, subscribe, rate 1:39:32.000 --> 1:39:35.000 Commonist Share. 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