Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 2: And welcome back to another episode of No Sellings Podcast
Speaker 2: with your host, Now fuck that with your loaw glasses, Malone.
Speaker 2: What's crazy is we should have made Mac do it,
Speaker 2: but I know Mac don't have like, uh.
Speaker 3: No interface no he's doing and then you know he
Speaker 3: all about his appearance. He's been like, man, I ain't
Speaker 3: been to the barber, I ain't got my hair done.
Speaker 3: I got to get my hair braided. Every time I've
Speaker 3: been about to do something with Mac, it's always been there.
Speaker 3: I don't have them on the show as far as
Speaker 3: calling in and stuff like that, but I ain't never
Speaker 3: been able to get him to sit down. He always
Speaker 3: got to have it perfect.
Speaker 2: What the best thing about No Silings is we still
Speaker 2: don't have a visual component outside of the stream. So
Speaker 2: that's why I always tell people like nobody gonna see you, bro,
Speaker 2: like I don't really care about the visual component, and
Speaker 2: it does slow the marketing down for those seilings, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe especially over this last twelve months, like you know,
Speaker 2: the type of content we've been making, we probably would
Speaker 2: have been ten times bigger podcast. But I'll be so
Speaker 2: much into the visual I've always been more into the
Speaker 2: visual component than even before I understood what music and
Speaker 2: hip hop.
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially nowadays, man, because you ask the average person
Speaker 3: with a podcast, it was the last thing they think
Speaker 3: about us, the audio. You know when I figured that out, bro,
Speaker 3: The way I figure and it's a different audience for sure.
Speaker 3: The way I figured out that there was a different
Speaker 3: audience is lately I've been just going I might go
Speaker 3: two or three weeks without putting up a whole video, bro,
Speaker 3: because you know, we concentrated on this end of the
Speaker 3: season right now, right and I have people to steal
Speaker 3: what's going on with the podcast. I ain't seen y'all
Speaker 3: drop an episode. I was like, don't we put an
Speaker 3: episode out every week? That's because they not listening to
Speaker 3: the audio. A lot of people think video is podcasts, Yeah,
Speaker 3: a TV show.
Speaker 2: Do you think it says something about everybody intellect like
Speaker 2: going from something you can see to something you can
Speaker 2: hear to something you have to read.
Speaker 3: I don't know, bro, but I will tell you this.
Speaker 3: I heard an interesting statistic that some like sixty five
Speaker 3: percent of people that look at podcasts on YouTube don't
Speaker 3: even look at it. They listening to it. But YouTube
Speaker 3: is just a comfortable medium. Yes, they comfortable meeting. But
Speaker 3: they won't go to Apple or they won't. I wish
Speaker 3: they would just come to Apple with Spotify.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's because you want the business.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like dog, you know, cause it's like, man,
Speaker 3: you know, you figured, like this shit, some of our
Speaker 3: episodes be hitting one hundred and fifty twenty thousand people up. Like, man,
Speaker 3: you know how lick we would be if we had
Speaker 3: them people in addition to what we're getting already. We shit,
Speaker 3: we'd be the big boys. But I just think it's
Speaker 3: that's a conference zone with people. You gotta remember, though,
Speaker 3: the average person got seven apps on their phone, right,
Speaker 3: they don't want to download an eighth. They just don't
Speaker 3: want to sow what they can do with the thing
Speaker 3: about YouTube, I don't even y'all do have the YouTube
Speaker 3: app of my phone, but the average person just go
Speaker 3: to the web interface, you know what I'm saying, and
Speaker 3: just listen to it like that. They don't really be watching, bro,
Speaker 3: they listen.
Speaker 2: I ain't really ever said this to you, but I'm
Speaker 2: really proud of you, man, Like you saw this wave
Speaker 2: that was going becoming streaming and podcasting back in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 2: and I still do not truly believe in it from
Speaker 2: a West Coast perspective, because I think the brothers on
Speaker 2: the East Coast be a little bit more into learning. Forgive,
Speaker 2: forgive me to all the homies from the West Coast
Speaker 2: that I'm not shitting on y'all, But it just feels
Speaker 2: like the East Coast is war into a different artistic
Speaker 2: mediums or it's just different because or I can't figure
Speaker 2: out what it is that makes East Coast podcasting work
Speaker 2: so much better than West Coast podcast.
Speaker 3: I tell you what it is, ug and this is
Speaker 3: but for me, being a Midwest Kent right, there's too
Speaker 3: much stuff going on out here already, right New York.
Speaker 3: When it gets cold, you can't go nowhere, So they
Speaker 3: more apt to sit at home and just listen to
Speaker 3: some stuff, right I would here man, you got cats, man,
Speaker 3: when the car they playing music, they're not gonna sit
Speaker 3: up and listen to no podcasts when they hear and
Speaker 3: then out here, I notice, especially with a lot of people,
Speaker 3: we really into stuff that's really minute. We like taking
Speaker 3: stuff and doses.
Speaker 1: Out here. We ain't gonna sit up and watch no
Speaker 1: whole hour something.
Speaker 3: We're not gonna sit up and listen to none past
Speaker 3: ten minutes. It's too much going on, man, you.
Speaker 2: Know what, And I can't talk mess about it because
Speaker 2: that's me, That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I don't I'm
Speaker 2: everything that I'm guilty of everything we're talking about. I
Speaker 2: don't really listen to a ton of podcasts, whereas Maria
Speaker 2: went off on me today.
Speaker 3: Dog we was downstairs, and I'll listen to podcasts. But
Speaker 3: it's funny. I'm in the urban space, so to speak,
Speaker 3: with podcasts, but I don't listen to no urban podcasts
Speaker 3: outside of art the stuff that we produce. Right, I
Speaker 3: listened to like Joe Rogan, I listened to Ground Zero,
Speaker 3: I listened to everything else. I'm more into the conspiracy
Speaker 3: you feel like I'm more into the conspiracy R stuff, right,
Speaker 3: And she said, but you turn that off every time
Speaker 3: at night you got that phone on and the day
Speaker 3: time we got the phone on, because it kind of
Speaker 3: becomes background music just for your conversation. And really, what
Speaker 3: she don't understand, Really, I be really just getting research
Speaker 3: on stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, it's so hard for women to tell you
Speaker 1: they proud of you. Man.
Speaker 2: My wife has never told me that, bro, Thank you man.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Sorry, but I'm really proud of you,
Speaker 2: big bro. And I'm not saying this because why you
Speaker 2: don't say that. I'm just saying you saw this wave happening,
Speaker 2: and I still can't say I see it on the West,
Speaker 2: but I can see how much people respect my intellect
Speaker 2: and my willing is to.
Speaker 3: Pursue It's here, you know, shout out to the homies
Speaker 3: down the road, man, you know, punning them right, playing
Speaker 3: ad in them. But they do more of a stream
Speaker 3: and it's more of a stream thing. But people are
Speaker 3: starting to get it out here now, and maybe that's
Speaker 3: what it is in the West. Stas that to remember, man,
Speaker 3: the precursor all this stuff, it's Lad. Whether people want
Speaker 3: to give Blad his printator or not. I'm a dude, man,
Speaker 3: even if I don't care for somebody, and not saying
Speaker 3: I don't care for Lad, I don't know him well
Speaker 3: enough to not care for him. But you figured him
Speaker 3: catch like Alex Alonzo to do what he do with
Speaker 3: Street TV. Them dudes was the precursor to kind of everything, bro, Yes,
Speaker 3: especially Vlad. Two thousand, two thousand and six, Vlad had
Speaker 3: launched his his uh his remember YouTube comes out in
Speaker 3: two thousand and five. They was in two thousand and five, so.
Speaker 2: Blad would do interviews and there'll be more DVD, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. And I used to let Vlad
Speaker 2: come to the set. I took Glad to a couple
Speaker 2: of hoods.
Speaker 1: You feel me.
Speaker 2: I there's if you go look at some of the
Speaker 2: earliest Blad TVs, I'm probably within the first twenty you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Because I used to let him
Speaker 2: come to watch. I remember My Home Boys was gonna
Speaker 2: rob Blad. I was like, we don't do nothing to
Speaker 2: the Homeboy.
Speaker 1: You feel me?
Speaker 2: Like he was, alright, he used to look out so
Speaker 2: but I agree. Also, I think it's because we're in Hollywood,
Speaker 2: so they there's a.
Speaker 1: Lot of.
Speaker 2: We just used to We've been spoiled. Like I've always
Speaker 2: said this, like hip hop for us, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? And I say us because you're a West
Speaker 2: Coast part You've been on the West Coast longer you've
Speaker 2: been in the Midwest at this point of your life.
Speaker 2: But remember, like street urban culture for us was marketed
Speaker 2: through Hollywood first, like they got this very it is
Speaker 2: a very shallow version of it with the film colors
Speaker 2: you know what I mean with the film.
Speaker 1: Boys in the Hood.
Speaker 2: You got a shallow version of it where you was like,
Speaker 2: this blood and crip thing that you heard about word
Speaker 2: of mouth is real in Hollywood, which is crazy, right,
Speaker 2: because Hollywood, when you think about it, made it real
Speaker 2: for them. They was like, oh, it is blue versus Red.
Speaker 2: No Sealer's podcast. Gl My big brother still in here, Pete.
Speaker 2: I called him, but I think he was busy and
Speaker 2: it is last minute. But we was having a really
Speaker 2: great conversation with Mac ten and talking about just the
Speaker 2: history of the West Coast and different artists, and we
Speaker 2: were having a really great conversation about what really what
Speaker 2: became the centerpiece of West Coast culture for the rest
Speaker 2: of the world, for street urban culture out of southern
Speaker 2: California for the rest of the world. And I was
Speaker 2: telling Mac so I was explaining this steel right, I
Speaker 2: was explaining the big bro. I was explaining to him
Speaker 2: that the first in session of Gang Bang, Gang Bang,
Speaker 2: it starts in sixty nine with Touki excuse me, with
Speaker 2: Raymond Washington and crad croduct Rest in Peace to them brothers.
Speaker 2: TOOKI comes in about a year later, roughly, I understand correctly,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? The West Side cripping is
Speaker 2: born a year later, Compton cripping is born two years later.
Speaker 2: Inglewood cripping is right around the same time as La cripping.
Speaker 2: I mean as far us on the West Side. And
Speaker 2: I was explaining this still like the hip hop street
Speaker 2: urban culture, like cripping is, has went through stages of culture, right,
Speaker 2: and it's like the initial version. Remember Crippen started. Tookie
Speaker 2: and Raymond were both born in fifty three, nineteen fifty three,
Speaker 2: so cripping is in sixty nine, so you're talking about
Speaker 2: sixteen seventeen year old kids. They were still emulating the
Speaker 2: culture before them, the Businessman chain gang, the Avenues Sloughs,
Speaker 2: in those first black street gangs in Los Angeles. So
Speaker 2: the leather coats, remember they killed the brother over the
Speaker 2: leather coat fight, you know, right over the leather coat,
Speaker 2: hard bottom.
Speaker 1: Shoes, dressing more fancy more and I hate to use
Speaker 1: the word fancy, but what it was when.
Speaker 3: You see OG's today, Man, if you see Og today,
Speaker 3: if you see any of the brothers that like in
Speaker 3: the early late fifties, early sixties, they got the fedora
Speaker 3: on with the feather in it. Man, they got their
Speaker 3: hard body, they got some stage. He's on some slacks
Speaker 3: and the silk shirt. Yeah, and they fresh and they
Speaker 3: fresh to death.
Speaker 1: Remind me of Ma James. Yeah, in fact so like
Speaker 1: and again it's like, but Shaw era.
Speaker 2: Of street urban culture is where hip hop is built from.
Speaker 2: That's the trick right where the generation Ice Tea was
Speaker 2: way ahead of the curve. Like you could tell the
Speaker 2: whole world wasn't ready for ice Tea. They had never
Speaker 2: saw anything like iceed Tea. They never saw nothing like that.
Speaker 3: Did you want to hear something? Ill shout out to
Speaker 3: the homeboy Pablo. Man, you know, I don't know if
Speaker 3: he knew this. I was signing the Thump Records for
Speaker 3: a little bit. No, I don know, Yeah I was.
Speaker 3: I was saying the Thump Ricords, my A and R
Speaker 3: was this cat named Pablo, Pablo science Iced Tea. He
Speaker 3: signed Ice Tea and he said that that was the
Speaker 3: first artist where as soon as he met him, and
Speaker 3: before he even heard his music, he knew he was
Speaker 3: gonna be something.
Speaker 1: He said.
Speaker 3: The dude pulled up to his office in a Porsche
Speaker 3: and the way, you know, he had this girl with
Speaker 3: him and he had jewelry on and he just already
Speaker 3: looked the part.
Speaker 2: So what h And I heard that about Ice before that,
Speaker 2: But Ice, you could tell like Ice was so far
Speaker 2: advanced culturally to where hip hop was that the audience
Speaker 2: he understood it, like the audience couldn't understand what was
Speaker 2: happening with him. And don't get me wrong, he got
Speaker 2: his platinum albums, Obviously, he got his hit records, Obviously
Speaker 2: he got this Hall of Fame, his first battlet of
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame career. That's that's currently still going. But culturally, right,
Speaker 2: your generation is the generation that truly culturally built hip hop, right.
Speaker 2: And I was telling mac ten that's when we keep saying, Matt,
Speaker 2: we're talking about mac Ten.
Speaker 1: I was telling mac.
Speaker 2: Ten that everything we're known for is built in that
Speaker 2: era of guys that was born roughly from.
Speaker 1: Sixty seven sixty six. M hm, maybe sixty six to
Speaker 1: seventy two.
Speaker 3: You know what, bro I would probably say, sixty eight
Speaker 3: to seventy two, sixty six sixty six, you know what,
Speaker 3: you gotta give it.
Speaker 2: That maybe pushing it because I would imagine Tracy is
Speaker 2: the first version is the first version of it. Shout,
Speaker 2: shout out, to the big umy trad D forgive me.
Speaker 2: Trad D is like the first version of y'all shit. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And trad D is probably sixty six. I think Trady
Speaker 2: was born in sixty six or sixty seven.
Speaker 3: Trade D is an animal. Trade D does it as
Speaker 3: good as it's supposed to be done, as good as
Speaker 3: it can be done.
Speaker 1: He's very underrated. Maybe sixty five. You think trad D
Speaker 1: sixty five?
Speaker 2: No, no, I'm thinking it may be sixty five. Hold on,
Speaker 2: let me make a car real quick. Let me see something.
Speaker 1: Not a good question.
Speaker 2: This is this is why it's dope to have these
Speaker 2: cultural conversations. I'm calling pluck, calling my holder on me.
Speaker 2: That pretty much raised me and the Shenanigans for the
Speaker 2: most part, worrying. Watch that with you, baby, Hey, real quick,
Speaker 2: I got you on my podcast. What use which era?
Speaker 2: Your Your era is the beginning era of guys wearing dickies?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Or is it the guys after y'all? It got to
Speaker 2: be your guy. It got to be sixty five to
Speaker 2: seventy two. Guys born between sixty five and seventy two.
Speaker 4: Why do you say that?
Speaker 2: Because tooking them the guys born in fifty three. They
Speaker 2: wasn't really into dickies, right. They're more like hard bottoms,
Speaker 2: leather jackets, really nice hats, really nice hats. Like when
Speaker 2: I would see pictures and then I'm thinking about Moon, right,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I've seen pictures of Moon. Moon was
Speaker 2: more fresh, you know what I mean, like kind of
Speaker 2: and I mean he might have had that baller swag.
Speaker 1: But I think your era.
Speaker 2: The reason I was saying this is because I was
Speaker 2: telling Mac ten y'all era defined street urban culture or
Speaker 2: cripping the way the way the rest of the world
Speaker 2: knew it, not the era before y'all.
Speaker 1: Now that yeah, they were crips before y'all.
Speaker 2: But when people think Pendleton, when people think dickies all
Speaker 2: stars like taking that type of chief stuff and making
Speaker 2: the fly, that's Yall era.
Speaker 5: One.
Speaker 1: Yeah, That's what I'm saying. So it had to be
Speaker 1: yall era.
Speaker 2: So I'm thinking people born between sixty five and seventy two, yeah,
Speaker 2: because we was all following y'all. So the guys seventy
Speaker 2: three to let's say eighty, we all following y'all.
Speaker 5: Yeah, probably started probably about seventy nine eight.
Speaker 2: Do you remember you remember you remember you remember fattening
Speaker 2: them wearing dickies like that like when they was younger.
Speaker 1: Uh, they did. They dressed more like five ones fresh yeah,
Speaker 1: corroys uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and fat is more like like fifty eight. Huh
Speaker 2: like fifty nine like fast like Ice Ta yeah, because
Speaker 2: that's who we remind me of.
Speaker 1: Ice team, Like that's his fresh. You probably started really
Speaker 1: started going hard. Uh tell about seventy eight, That's what
Speaker 1: I thought.
Speaker 2: All right, I mean, and I'm gonna call you once
Speaker 2: were done, all right, you get what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Still, it's like.
Speaker 2: It was the kids coming up right, that's probably fourteen
Speaker 2: and fifteen that made dickies a thing.
Speaker 3: And they had to because I'm gonna tell you, bro
Speaker 3: in Ohio, we was wearing dickies, right, but I'm gonna
Speaker 3: tell you what it was. You people had a tendency
Speaker 3: to where they popped soul clothes, right, you feel what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. So Pops he might have ten Dickie suits
Speaker 3: at work, you know what I'm saying. That he worked
Speaker 3: downtown on the plant right as he getting new Dickie suits.
Speaker 3: I don't know if they got them through the job
Speaker 3: or whatever, because I know Pops will come home, but
Speaker 3: like ten fifteen new Dickie suits, Right, I got the
Speaker 3: old stuff that school clothes, you feel what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So we was wearing Dickies back then, bro, And it
Speaker 3: wasn't a text more so it was you did not
Speaker 3: identify people wearing Dickies as gangsters, but it was more
Speaker 3: a hood thing.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I always tell a lot of people, anybody that listened culturally,
Speaker 2: that a lot of the stuff comes from the Midwest,
Speaker 2: Like it's all warehouse, it's all factory stuff, and people
Speaker 2: took that stuff and made it fresh. And Dickies itself,
Speaker 2: you know, that ain't really what the culture is about.
Speaker 2: It's the crease and the cuff in the dickies, if
Speaker 2: that makes sense. Like it ain't Chucks by themselves. Everybody,
Speaker 2: I would imagine most poor kids around the country, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, wore Chucks, but you know you
Speaker 2: did the fat laces. That's when it became a West
Speaker 2: Coast thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, La Man in eighty eight, right, everybody
Speaker 3: in Long Beast is wearing Dickies, dog T shirt Dickies.
Speaker 1: It was like a uniform, you know, or a wife beater.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and winter time of Pendleton penalty, know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: The penalty and the Beanie Penleman Beanie and some looks.
Speaker 1: So, y'all generation is the generation that made that happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of stuff came up in my generation.
Speaker 3: I like to call us the crack generation.
Speaker 2: Well, because remember that that started empowering. You know, money,
Speaker 2: give you a bigger voice, Oh yeah, for sure, make
Speaker 2: you feel good about yourself too. I told you what
Speaker 2: my biggest influence was. I came to California to play football, though,
Speaker 2: but I think even more so, I came out here
Speaker 2: to become like Ice T. I saw him.
Speaker 3: That album cover did something to me because I remember
Speaker 3: the homeboy letting me hear and I heard six in
Speaker 3: the Morning, right, and I listened to the whole album.
Speaker 3: We just stood outside on his stoop listening to the
Speaker 3: whole album. And I looked at that album covered. Man,
Speaker 3: how he had he was with his homeboy man, and
Speaker 3: he had a bad brad man and this, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm like, that's his money, man, and you know he
Speaker 3: a ball. I'm listening to it. I'm like, man, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna go out there, man, I'm gonna get me a
Speaker 3: bad like Scott Man, I'm gonna get me a bank roll.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get me a page and a silk suit
Speaker 3: like you got. I'm I don't know, man, I got
Speaker 3: a green silk suit.
Speaker 1: Dog. I'm still trying to find that silk suit to
Speaker 1: this day. Dog. A silk suit. Yeah, silk suit dog. Now,
Speaker 1: that's for sure Baby Boomers.
Speaker 2: So gen X, that's the exact gen gen X is
Speaker 2: sixty five to eighty. Yeah, you're right outside of culturally,
Speaker 2: that was the most culturally rich era when it comes
Speaker 2: to street urban culture as far as the black space, right,
Speaker 2: that is where yo, that's where New York. That's where
Speaker 2: the teams come from. That's where the lingo, the son
Speaker 2: be kid, that's where that culture comes.
Speaker 1: From, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And if you think about it, that is what the
Speaker 2: world knows everybody from people born in that era, the
Speaker 2: culture that they that they really kind of created and defined.
Speaker 2: Even though Crippen was started by the baby boomers, right,
Speaker 2: it wasn't really.
Speaker 1: What it was until jen Next got their hands on it.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 2: It's probably again because dope became a thing in the eighties,
Speaker 2: so then the money, you know, could could shine a
Speaker 2: light on it.
Speaker 3: Man, I'm gonna tell you what dope did more than
Speaker 3: anything else. G didn't nobody have nothing, especially like in Ohio. Man,
Speaker 3: when they shut them factories down, a lot of people's
Speaker 3: pops lost jobs.
Speaker 1: You know, we asked you a question. You told me
Speaker 1: that before. You told me. You know your uh uh, your.
Speaker 2: Mom, husband and your pops that raised you, not necessarily
Speaker 2: your uh your other pops.
Speaker 1: That you know daddies. Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, forgive me, You're forgive me. You're right, uh, Willie.
Speaker 2: Now you're telling me Will lost his job? What year
Speaker 2: was that.
Speaker 3: Will lost his remember? Proudly? Yeah, I do remember. I
Speaker 3: do remember eighty eighty four. Was he one of the
Speaker 3: last people before the factories? Like do you remember the
Speaker 3: first person? You remember that he was one of the
Speaker 3: last people because they started the year before laying people
Speaker 3: off slowly. Then if you came like a thing and
Speaker 3: they were, yeah, they were what it was. Wouln't nobody
Speaker 3: get a phone call at home like or you're fired
Speaker 3: or letter in the mail. No, you just show up
Speaker 3: for work with your lunch box and they call you. Hey,
Speaker 3: you look at your board to see where you're going
Speaker 3: that day. We need y'all over there, you see a
Speaker 3: group of people come. You hear some people and they gone,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. My post was one of
Speaker 3: the last people in the building. He actually helped, you know,
Speaker 3: take some of the machinery apart. And I think, man,
Speaker 3: they had told him if he moved to Detroit. I
Speaker 3: think there was a it was a time. I remember
Speaker 3: we was talking about moving to Detroit for a minute,
Speaker 3: and I don't know what happened to it is we
Speaker 3: had just bought a house over there, So I don't
Speaker 3: know if economically would have made since because my mama
Speaker 3: she was going to school, she was going to I
Speaker 3: think Cleveland, if I'm not correct me if I'm wrong, either, Kyle,
Speaker 3: she was one of Cleveland state dog to get her
Speaker 3: stuff for because she was a dietitian. And it's like
Speaker 3: our life had kind of changed broad for the better.
Speaker 3: Once she got a job as a dietitian. She was
Speaker 3: over the whole like she was over the whole like
Speaker 3: Cleveland clinic. Right, she was on the whole Cleveland clinic,
Speaker 3: right over the whole cleanic Cleveland clinic. And that was
Speaker 3: a good job, right because I remember her and her
Speaker 3: homegrew on the phone.
Speaker 1: Believe it or not.
Speaker 3: She was making I think eighteen dollars an hour, and
Speaker 3: back then that was like life changing money. And my
Speaker 3: pops had always had a gig though, because he was
Speaker 3: a dude that was always fixing on the raggedy ass car,
Speaker 3: fixing somebody's refixed rate because you remember the hood, we
Speaker 3: don't buy new stuff.
Speaker 2: Refrigerator break, You fixed that motherfucker. Well that's the cornerstone
Speaker 2: of culture, you know what I'm saying. Culture, Like most
Speaker 2: people don't know, Like Italian people called like what we
Speaker 2: call spaghetti sauce, they call that gravy. Gravy, yeah right,
Speaker 2: they and talking to Pete, shout out to Peak telling
Speaker 2: me that the inception of it is taking the old
Speaker 2: vegetables that was going bad or had just went bad,
Speaker 2: and all the spoiled stuff. Putting it in a pot
Speaker 2: is how they got spaghetti sauce.
Speaker 3: Yeah, put some posta in it, you know, because it
Speaker 3: was cheap. You know what I'm saying, feeling You ever
Speaker 3: noticed now you eat spaghetti and you get full, because
Speaker 3: that's what it was.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: And so my pops, when he lost his job, yeah,
Speaker 3: impacted this. But my pops was always a hupster. My
Speaker 3: Pops always had a bank roll and a cigarette and
Speaker 3: a cigar in his mouth.
Speaker 1: One pocket.
Speaker 3: He had a bank roll, he had a cigar in
Speaker 3: his mouth, and the twenty two in his waist. That's
Speaker 3: what he was.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying to.
Speaker 2: My big brother, Camel just popped on the pot. We
Speaker 2: don't really have a We don't really have a visual
Speaker 2: component to no selings because I'm so overtly production productive,
Speaker 2: consign when it comes to what I put out visually.
Speaker 2: But this is all audio. So to bring you up
Speaker 2: the speed, big bro. He was talking to mac Ten
Speaker 2: and I was telling mac Ten. We were talking specifically
Speaker 2: about where Dre was at culturally, right, and I was saying, Dre,
Speaker 2: doctor Dre grew up at a time that Compton wasn't
Speaker 2: quite the Compton that everybody celebrated. That's he didn't grow
Speaker 2: up in that era and celebrated may not be the
Speaker 2: right word, but the era that everybody knows of Compton, right,
Speaker 2: Doctor Dre grew up in Compton. Doctor Dre is a
Speaker 2: baby boomer generation wise, right, he's the last of the
Speaker 2: baby boomer boomers in sixty three. So it's like sometimes
Speaker 2: when I think like he struggles when he talks to
Speaker 2: me about culture, how you feel about certain things is
Speaker 2: because culturally, he didn't grow up in the era that
Speaker 2: defined what we see hip hop as when especially when
Speaker 2: it comes to the West coast, right, it's like their
Speaker 2: era was more emulating the avenues, the businessmen. You know,
Speaker 2: even at last he is right, like the original crips
Speaker 2: like Tooki and Raymond are baby boomers, right, they are
Speaker 2: leather jackets, nice hats, hard bottom shoes, five oh ones,
Speaker 2: you know, like they looked at that as fresh.
Speaker 1: And y'all era, right.
Speaker 2: Which would be Gen X sixty five to nineteen eighty,
Speaker 2: that really became the phenomenon around the world. Now, they
Speaker 2: created the titles to it, and they gave it an attitude.
Speaker 2: But the thing that became a cultural phenomenon, a renaissance
Speaker 2: to say, in art and different things through the music,
Speaker 2: is the era that y'all created. How y'all took what
Speaker 2: they were doing and then they went to the next level.
Speaker 2: Now I'm not associating you. I keep trying to tell
Speaker 2: people this. They struggle to understand this. The thing that's
Speaker 2: happened in La is not It doesn't belong to gangs
Speaker 2: gangs are just a group of people. So you see
Speaker 2: the movement. But dickies is a common street thing. Dickies
Speaker 2: with a crease and chucks our standard for everybody that
Speaker 2: was poor living in this street or coach your lifestyle.
Speaker 2: It doesn't gangs didn't come up and say, hey, this
Speaker 2: is our uniform. It didn't make this. It just became
Speaker 2: something that everybody poor in the ghetto would do. And
Speaker 2: then gangs are just a movement of it. So people
Speaker 2: seeing a lot of people doing it. But Cam who
Speaker 2: you know, you wouldn't consider nowhere near a gang member,
Speaker 2: even though I would, right, But he.
Speaker 1: Dressed the same way. It's just how people dress.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 2: It was the movement of people. It's like, okay, this
Speaker 2: is what's fresh if you don't got a bunch of money.
Speaker 2: And to people who add that start getting money. Do
Speaker 2: you know all the illegal means that became opportunities in
Speaker 2: the eighties, You feel me They was wearing it too.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: It was just about, like you said, being fresh on
Speaker 5: a budget, you know, looking looking fresh as you can
Speaker 5: with and and like like with T shirts and khakis
Speaker 5: and all that. This it's just about being clean.
Speaker 1: You know. We prided ourselves and being looking clean, looking fresh.
Speaker 5: Even if you have money, you wasn't You wasn't trying
Speaker 5: to wear We didn't really I don't even know. We
Speaker 5: knew about no Rodale drive type clothes that ain't that
Speaker 5: was like disco clothes to us something. So we wasn't
Speaker 5: really trying to even dress like that. It was more,
Speaker 5: like you said, just looking as fresh as you can
Speaker 5: on a on a budget, which turned out to be
Speaker 5: like soldier, you know, it just it just looked I mean,
Speaker 5: I don't know, because it used to be straight legs,
Speaker 5: tight jeans. It wasn't like these leotard like like skin
Speaker 5: like what they're doing now. But they used to have
Speaker 5: like sassoon and was fitted. Yeah, it was fitted. It
Speaker 5: was it was straight leg you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: But it just was about being fresh. You just clean.
Speaker 5: Your shoes had to be clean. Everything had to be new.
Speaker 5: So that's even if it was kind of cheap, you know,
Speaker 5: we were still looking for for name brand cheek, name
Speaker 5: brand Pumas or or Nikes or something.
Speaker 1: They just had to be fresh. That's my favorite word. Clean.
Speaker 1: Long was that shit clean? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So like.
Speaker 2: I always try to explain this to people culturally, right,
Speaker 2: like culture, you know, especially in America, really always ninety
Speaker 2: ninety five percent of the time come from poor people
Speaker 2: because everybody else can adopt tradition, like'll they'll do something
Speaker 2: to celebrate something, but they have the option to do
Speaker 2: everything versus where like is it fair to say like
Speaker 2: there was a standard, like like here's the standard like
Speaker 2: where y'all grew up right in North Section, whereas like
Speaker 2: this is the standard of being clean.
Speaker 5: Yeah, clean as the majority is poor. So it's still
Speaker 5: about the majority the masses are poor. So how clean
Speaker 5: can you be on the lower class you know level?
Speaker 5: That was our status that you know, no matter where
Speaker 5: you go, Like cleanliness is golly next to goliness. The
Speaker 5: girls like if your shoes is clean, the girls like,
Speaker 5: if your your outfit is clean, you just had to
Speaker 5: be clean.
Speaker 1: You just had to be clean.
Speaker 3: Clean, had your stuff stark stuffing, see a little bit
Speaker 3: off subject. It closed in eighty two. It made me
Speaker 3: look at it dog Fisher Body. That's where my pops
Speaker 3: worked at Fisher Body. It was General Motors shut down.
Speaker 3: The eighty two seventeen hundred jobs lost.
Speaker 2: What if you look you look at the Midwest, Black Midwest,
Speaker 2: I call it black Midwest America or black Middle America.
Speaker 2: When they took away those factories, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: and not took away that's probably not a fair word.
Speaker 2: When they decided to pursue cheap labor. You know who
Speaker 2: was the president who like it had to be some
Speaker 2: tax laws to make them rich.
Speaker 3: White people say, we didn't go pay these Reagan, that
Speaker 3: was Riggan back then, wasn't.
Speaker 5: The camp Yeah, that was Ford Gerald Ford and Carter
Speaker 5: and Reagan and stuff like that and what and what
Speaker 5: in the eighties.
Speaker 1: Early eighties, so we were talking.
Speaker 5: About these was with Jimmy Carter, Jimmy Carter, Jimmy Carter
Speaker 5: and then Ronald Reagan.
Speaker 1: The reason Jimmy.
Speaker 3: Jimmy Carter was decent. I think what it was g
Speaker 3: was the pursuit of cheap labor man because I remember, oh,
Speaker 3: you know he talked against them company shutting down. But man,
Speaker 3: it really impacted the neighborhood. Is like you said, seventeen
Speaker 3: hundred jobs, damn it. The whole hood worked there.
Speaker 2: But that's the same thing happened to Detroit at a
Speaker 2: higher thing in the bigger city. I mean, and again
Speaker 2: the reason I was saying that is because it's like
Speaker 2: when I listened, I watched this shout out to the
Speaker 2: homie cav.
Speaker 1: Mac from SIXAU.
Speaker 2: He got this really great channel cab Mac videos, and
Speaker 2: it's like to me, like being a crib is one thing,
Speaker 2: but understanding what crippen is about from his essence, so
Speaker 2: you could write it the way you want it is
Speaker 2: more important than everything you knew.
Speaker 1: Here, Bro, we should get Millie Mail to come here.
Speaker 2: He man, Yeah, but this ain't that kind of conversation.
Speaker 2: Male is supposed to come up here too. But the
Speaker 2: reason I'm saying that is because how could you say
Speaker 2: you're a crip and you don't know who the first
Speaker 2: crip is?
Speaker 1: How could you say you're a crip or say cousin
Speaker 1: you don't know where it comes from? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, It's innate, but eventually, like as
Speaker 2: a man, right, you want to study your family, Like
Speaker 2: wait a minute, what is this? Like I would ask
Speaker 2: pluck questions that you gotta be like, let me call
Speaker 2: on them older niggas.
Speaker 1: I question, why do crips call each other cubs? It's
Speaker 1: a dude named James. That was his name. James Cuz
Speaker 1: James Cus Robinson. That's that's crazy.
Speaker 2: When you laughing, remember these as kids. It's not somebody
Speaker 2: asked me the other day. They said glasses. So you're
Speaker 2: saying being a crip is not the most negative thing.
Speaker 2: I'm like, being a crip is standard where he comes from.
Speaker 2: It is not negative or positive. They got way more
Speaker 2: negative shit, and they got way The only positive group
Speaker 2: of black people I've ever came into contact with is
Speaker 2: not like a shout out to the brothers that that
Speaker 2: after Greek attorneities at school. But I wouldn't consider them
Speaker 2: because they too extra and boogie and they don't let
Speaker 2: all the other brothers in the only organization. And I'm
Speaker 2: not saying it because he's here. Y'all heard me say
Speaker 2: this before. Is the nation is lone. They only want
Speaker 2: her to take the worst brother and make him the
Speaker 2: best brother. That's the only thing can make you good
Speaker 2: a great for a long time across the country. Yeah,
Speaker 2: if you got to start with a nigga at here,
Speaker 2: you ain't really special. Anybody could clean up a nigga
Speaker 2: in college.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Forgive me all my the Greek brothers that listen to
Speaker 2: this podcast. But you know what I mean, Like the
Speaker 2: nigga at six, you take him to ten.
Speaker 1: You got some jobs. Nigga at usc nigga, I bet
Speaker 1: you could clean him up. How the fuck you get here?
Speaker 2: But shout out to pair Cod, shout out to Elijah Muhammad,
Speaker 2: shout out to shout out to that that pegging order
Speaker 2: of taking niggas that's at one.
Speaker 1: How you taking nigga from one to ten? You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But if you take somebody from one to.
Speaker 2: Think about You've seen your whole life outside of being
Speaker 2: a brother from the community. But you ain't never been
Speaker 2: no no, no drug addict or no alcoholic to no. Really,
Speaker 2: I'm sure you didn't tried some once or twice in
Speaker 2: your life growing up. But think about the type of brothers.
Speaker 2: This thing that cleaned up that we call the nation Islam.
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 3: You know what's crazy? See you ever know this man,
Speaker 3: when you have a homie go to prison right from
Speaker 3: the neighborhood. All the brothers that found Islam in prison
Speaker 3: came home when they stayed out of prison, Brothers that
Speaker 3: didn't seem like find Islam. It was a high level
Speaker 3: of recidive vision. They all went back. I think, man,
Speaker 3: the Nation of Islam has done a great job with
Speaker 3: reforming black men and black men in this country.
Speaker 1: Man, that's what I just said.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I said I wouldn't consider I wouldn't consider cripping
Speaker 2: anti Nation of Islam. I think it's like standard, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. It's like you could be good
Speaker 2: or bad the game. You could be either one and
Speaker 2: can't nobody stop you. Now, I do know one or
Speaker 2: two organizations. You can't be nothing but bad, like they
Speaker 2: not going.
Speaker 1: For nothing good.
Speaker 2: And I think there's this belief when it comes to
Speaker 2: game banging that's pushing you to be bad.
Speaker 1: And it's not.
Speaker 2: I'll give I'll give my older homies a lot of credit.
Speaker 2: I'll give older homies out my whole section, whether it's
Speaker 2: from Pj's car for anybody mona red Boy shout out
Speaker 2: to allder homies, older homies. I know, Uh, if you're
Speaker 2: gonna be a great student, they're gonna push you that way.
Speaker 2: If you're gonna be a great athlete, they gonna push
Speaker 2: you that way.
Speaker 1: If I if I.
Speaker 2: Had my mind then, if I have my mind now,
Speaker 2: back then they would have paid for me to go
Speaker 2: to college, like the same thing that made me start
Speaker 2: selling dope for a time, that pursuit. I could have
Speaker 2: went to Pluck Moon Man and say, hey, man, I
Speaker 2: got accepted to a ZUSA Pacific. I can't, like, I
Speaker 2: don't know how to do scholarships. You know, my mom
Speaker 2: is prison at this time. I don't know how to
Speaker 2: fill out these papers. Man, could y'all cover my first year?
Speaker 2: I'm telling you still, people could say I'm crazy.
Speaker 1: They would have paid for it.
Speaker 3: I don't doubt that, man, because you know what, I
Speaker 3: think that standard almost man in every black community. We
Speaker 3: kind of encouraged. We kind of encouraged tailor in the neighborhoods.
Speaker 3: I know, I played football. They made sure I kind
Speaker 3: of stayed the course. You feel what I'm saying. They
Speaker 3: made sure I kind of stayed the course. Like you know,
Speaker 3: you had some homies that boxed. They made sure they
Speaker 3: stayed at the course. They made sure they was in
Speaker 3: the gym doing their thing.
Speaker 1: You had.
Speaker 3: The music wasn't around yet, but anything positive somebody was
Speaker 3: doing it was very much encouraged. Now, if the homie
Speaker 3: that boxed, he might have been the front line dude
Speaker 3: in the neighborhood too. If it's going down. He definitely
Speaker 3: getting called the dough. I had size, so I was
Speaker 3: called to go. But once I started playing for the
Speaker 3: vill it was like, no, don't call him, let him go.
Speaker 3: You know he might be something one day. Because you
Speaker 3: proud of your community, man, everybody else you see how
Speaker 3: I ain't. Man, I've been in the West Coast longer
Speaker 3: than I was in Cleveland. Man.
Speaker 1: You see, I'm still proud of Cleveland. I always go
Speaker 1: hold with the land down. That's what poverty do. It
Speaker 1: give you pride and some shit that's crazy. You'd be like,
Speaker 1: I'm proud.
Speaker 2: I go to watch I draw it around. I'd be like, man,
Speaker 2: I'm proud. I go hang out, go to the Peace store,
Speaker 2: I go get me something. I'll be standing outside like
Speaker 2: I'm in Beverly fucking Hills. Yeah, I'll be like what's
Speaker 2: up And they'd be like, what's up, Jim, And I'd
Speaker 2: be like, what's up with y'all? And well, I stop
Speaker 2: at Ace High like I love it. You know, it's
Speaker 2: something to be proud of it. Some people think of
Speaker 2: it as negative. Like I was trying to explain this
Speaker 2: to somebody, they'd be like, well, why is people I
Speaker 2: was on spaces and they said, why, why is your
Speaker 2: people proud to go to jail. I'm like, they're not
Speaker 2: proud they went to jail. They are proud that they
Speaker 2: were accountable enough to not tell on nobody and they
Speaker 2: survived this traumatic experience without their family. And you could
Speaker 2: tell that white man had never heard nothing like that.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, even if they can't articulate it, I'm
Speaker 2: telling you the source of pride. Now, there are some
Speaker 2: crazy people that can do their own thing, but I'm telling.
Speaker 1: You, I think they was proud to go through jail,
Speaker 1: not go to jail.
Speaker 3: No, No, I've heard a few people brag about being
Speaker 3: this yet man, he was only on the level one.
Speaker 3: He wasn't on a level two yard like me. I
Speaker 3: don't heard people say that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's because they're saying, like, it's more traumatic
Speaker 1: in these spaces that I survived.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what you go through, it's about what you went through,
Speaker 5: not not not the fact that I'm proud to go
Speaker 5: to jail.
Speaker 1: I'm proud that I went through jail. I went through
Speaker 1: that right of passage, that manhood that.
Speaker 3: That I've even heard of. Man, the where I've heard
Speaker 3: a few homies say that when they was kids, they
Speaker 3: kind of couldn't wait to go to jail because that
Speaker 3: was like a right of passage all almost. And I
Speaker 3: think that's crazy.
Speaker 2: We programmed, but that's not a pro It's an ignorant
Speaker 2: mind that don't quite understanding what people. People are proud
Speaker 2: of being put in a situation. I would never judge
Speaker 2: a kid that he's ignorant and think that's what it's about.
Speaker 1: He don't know, you know what I mean. It's a kid.
Speaker 2: But when you get grown, that ain't some shit. Once
Speaker 2: you pass twenty, you be saying, once you get past twenty,
Speaker 2: you do not be like, yeah, I need to go
Speaker 2: to jail when you're a kid, yeah, you kind of.
Speaker 2: Your father is there, your mother's there, friends went there,
Speaker 2: so you be like, shit, well if I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: through it, I'm gonna go through it.
Speaker 1: Like you don't. You know, you're not conceding what the
Speaker 1: cost is.
Speaker 2: And it's not a fault, you know, I mean, it's
Speaker 2: just these environments were raised in where you know, people
Speaker 2: go there and you see people get a lot of respect.
Speaker 1: But now I'm giving you why the respect is the respect?
Speaker 2: The respect is because you could have told you could
Speaker 2: have chosen a less accountable path to deal with this,
Speaker 2: and you could have shamed yourself. You could have figured
Speaker 2: out a way to not have that accountability. Like, there's
Speaker 2: a couple of things that it's fair to say. Like
Speaker 2: it's fair to say Karen on if you don't take
Speaker 2: care of your kids. It's kind of found that.
Speaker 3: Like if people know you have kids, you don't take
Speaker 3: your kids, people look at you look crazy. You don't
Speaker 3: want to be known as no dead be that's universal.
Speaker 3: I don't even mess with people. I don't even miss
Speaker 3: associated with dudes who don't take care of their kids.
Speaker 2: But I'm saying I think these are things that when
Speaker 2: we have these cultural conversations, they're not talked about. I
Speaker 2: think people think that there's some kind of pride and
Speaker 2: just killing people. Like if you just around killing people,
Speaker 2: that's cool. It's not like if if you're a soldier
Speaker 2: and everybody see you a soldier in this army and
Speaker 2: y'all worn with that other army. Yeah, there's a pride
Speaker 2: in how you you live your soldier life. It is
Speaker 2: a respect for you if you out there in the
Speaker 2: middle of this war that you, your community and this
Speaker 2: other community have going on poverty makes your world shrink.
Speaker 2: I mean, like one thing I realized I could say
Speaker 2: this honestly, like growing up in our session, it make
Speaker 2: your world shrink, like shout out told Livia rest of
Speaker 2: sou My mom made sure I've seen a million things.
Speaker 2: She did not let me just be stuck in company
Speaker 2: watch I was. I had already went to Beverly Hills
Speaker 2: because she's a registered nurse, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: doing home care for termally ill patience. I watched young
Speaker 2: gay white men, rich white young gay men dying of
Speaker 2: AIDS in the eighties. And I'm talking about real age,
Speaker 2: not the New age where everybody survived and his medicine.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about when age used to leave legions on
Speaker 2: your skin. What did it look like, g silver dollars,
Speaker 2: the size of silver dollars.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, it was it was you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I had AIDS first hit the community.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: I had a cousin that died of age.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: She got it because her husband was animophiliac and he
Speaker 1: got it from Kaiser. It was funny. It ain't funny,
Speaker 1: it was crazy.
Speaker 3: Is her husband is still alive and she died I
Speaker 3: think in ninety five ninety six, her husband still like
Speaker 3: they has a new family, that kids and everything, no
Speaker 3: trace to virus in his body. They sue Kyser gave
Speaker 3: them three million dollars, which I thought was a crime.
Speaker 3: I was like, three million dollars, y'all have ruined their life.
Speaker 3: It really messed with her, like she refused treatment and everything.
Speaker 3: She couldn't just get past it, you know. But her husband,
Speaker 3: he had whatever he did man. Actually, Kim, I think
Speaker 3: he might have joined the nation, m change his everything,
Speaker 3: man and just wanted to live, you know. Tried to
Speaker 3: get her to make some change. She wasn't having it.
Speaker 1: I don't want to make this a commercial for the nation.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this because you're here. You know me.
Speaker 1: You know I don't do I don't give nothing, big bro.
Speaker 1: I love you you.
Speaker 2: My heart is soul nod. But I ain't telling you
Speaker 2: nothing extra or somebody don't believe man with them brothers
Speaker 2: is able.
Speaker 1: What they know about food and stuff matters. And it's crazy.
Speaker 1: How I remember I was asking Kim on the like how.
Speaker 2: Did they do it? He like glasses, They do it
Speaker 2: through your diet, and I thought that was so crazy,
Speaker 2: Like how are you gonna fix everything through y'all.
Speaker 1: He ain't lying like you would think. How we eat
Speaker 1: in them communities.
Speaker 2: It is not the source of a lot of our
Speaker 2: It is the source probably of about eighty percent of
Speaker 2: our problem.
Speaker 1: More than that. Ninety ninety up ninety plus ninety plus.
Speaker 3: About this, Think about this. When you went to next Delhi,
Speaker 3: that was the corner liquor store in my neighborhood. You know,
Speaker 3: Deli's back then had the actual deli department that where
Speaker 3: you can go get a dollars worth of bolognay, dollars
Speaker 3: worth of sauce meat and all that they sold. Pigs
Speaker 3: eating the jar. It's probably been sitting in the jar
Speaker 3: for a whole year or whatever, you know.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying, And people still ask here for mile
Speaker 2: on Wilmington and the larger pig feet.
Speaker 5: You know, you're eating all that.
Speaker 1: Type of stuff. I don't even know what sauce meat
Speaker 1: was to this day, both but I know it tasted good.
Speaker 1: Was some crackit kill That house sounds meat. So what
Speaker 1: I want to tell me?
Speaker 2: What I want to ask you, big bro. It's gonna
Speaker 2: be an odd question for you, but you're the right
Speaker 2: person to ask all right.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Obviously we still got to deal with the level of poverty, right,
Speaker 2: limited resources, the oppression. Right, Where do you think culturally
Speaker 2: things went wrong? Now this is gonna sound crazy because
Speaker 2: it's such a broad question. Obviously you can have the
Speaker 2: traditional white but or they should have never sold judge.
Speaker 2: But you understand how poor people get. They can't see
Speaker 2: the future, they can't see the curve.
Speaker 1: They didn't know what was gonna be what.
Speaker 2: But not having today's mind, but put yourself back in
Speaker 2: you know, when you're you know, fourteen to fifteen in
Speaker 2: the mid eighty sometimes right, Or do you think something
Speaker 2: went wrong like culturally for this La Street urban culture.
Speaker 5: I think it was always wrong because of the lack
Speaker 5: of information education, you know that like trades and all that.
Speaker 1: Once they start getting rid of.
Speaker 5: Know self self sufficient, you know, stuff to make us
Speaker 5: self sufficient where we can actually make a living for ourselves.
Speaker 1: So not not how we were targeted, because I you know,
Speaker 1: I'm a more specific. So where did we choose to
Speaker 1: go wrong? Is that what you mean? I think.
Speaker 2: If one thing that we was like because you you
Speaker 2: saw it, you saw's happened you all some of these
Speaker 2: things happen they you saw the cultural things happen. So
Speaker 2: you're a part of the choice, not game game banging
Speaker 2: is pre pre you is Boomer era, right.
Speaker 1: This this Jenet come out.
Speaker 2: Where do you feel like, Yeah, we could have made
Speaker 2: the right, We should have made the left when we
Speaker 2: made the right right here culturally.
Speaker 1: That we had we had control, not not the things
Speaker 1: that happened to us, but that we had control. Not
Speaker 1: making this a commercial for the nation.
Speaker 5: But you know in the in the sixties when when
Speaker 5: the black consciousness and unity was really going strong and
Speaker 5: we was we was you know, separating so to speak,
Speaker 5: meaning building our own like how we had pressure out
Speaker 5: of slavery with Rosewood and Black Wall Street, like we
Speaker 5: was getting back to that through the nation. But then
Speaker 5: you know, it was a it was a new agenda
Speaker 5: of uh drugs and free pre se x like in
Speaker 5: the seventies. There's a lot of stuff that the the
Speaker 5: so called governmental aspects of the government of FBI or
Speaker 5: jager Hoover that they started offering to us in the
Speaker 5: form of welfare and wick and whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, they saw. So you saw that, Yeah, so
Speaker 1: you can remember a time when that wasn't wait a minute, yeah,
Speaker 1: you might be to remember a time that wasn't a thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I remember real black family structures, you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying. I remember, you know when there was it
Speaker 5: was jobs, you know what I'm saying, especially like you know,
Speaker 5: like in Detroit, detail Like you know, all our grandparents
Speaker 5: if you if you fifty or fifty years old or older,
Speaker 5: I'm fifty five, then you remember either your parents or
Speaker 5: your especially your grandparents, all all the grandfathers, you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, had had like industry jobs or you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: They knew a trade, They knew how to provide for
Speaker 1: their family.
Speaker 5: Even if they had three and four families across town,
Speaker 5: they were still providing for them. But it wasn't until
Speaker 5: the government changed the script and started playing you know,
Speaker 5: that whole integration thing and equal equal opportunity, and they
Speaker 5: made it look like it was a good thing. So
Speaker 5: we could abandon doing for self and you know, abandon
Speaker 5: your own community, you know, black unity and black economics
Speaker 5: and black education. We wanted to be a part of
Speaker 5: American the American dream, and we bid at that. So
Speaker 5: the nation was pushing separation. But then the government and
Speaker 5: they little minions and agents was pushing integration.
Speaker 1: Which is kind of like, that's Martin Luther King sixty seven,
Speaker 1: I've been to the mountaintop. Yeah.
Speaker 5: But then that's why they got rid of him, because
Speaker 5: he said, I fear that I integrated my people into.
Speaker 1: A burning house, and I ain't with that no more,
Speaker 1: and then they got rid of him.
Speaker 2: It's my favorite Martin Luther King's speech. Yeah, that church
Speaker 2: right before he died in Memphis. The speech is called
Speaker 2: I've been to the mountaintop.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So he became the number one anti such and
Speaker 1: such too. After that he got like I think a
Speaker 1: week huh, then he got knocked off like a week. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5: And that's right after he met with about a month
Speaker 5: after or maybe a few weeks after he met with
Speaker 5: Donado Elijah Muhammad, and they came to agreement, and you know, yeah,
Speaker 5: there's pictures with them shaking hands and sitting down, and
Speaker 5: you know, they wanted to know what they was talking about,
Speaker 5: and you know, Martin Luther King wouldn't tell them, you know,
Speaker 5: even though they was evedropping, but they wouldn't tell the public.
Speaker 5: And right after that he had that I haven't I mean,
Speaker 5: I've been to the mountaintop. I might not get there
Speaker 5: with you. But I'm not fearing any man and all
Speaker 5: that that's after you, you Muhammad. Yeah. So after that,
Speaker 5: they offered, you know, they threw money and fame and
Speaker 5: positions and all of that at at our community. And
Speaker 5: you know, it looked like the nation failed because nineteen
Speaker 5: seventy five, you know, the unrealizing Mohamad departed, looked like
Speaker 5: he was dead and the nation fell.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't no no leader quote unquote leadership of.
Speaker 5: That, you know, going on no more. So everybody went
Speaker 5: their own ways and that's that was the beginning of
Speaker 5: the end as far as us choosing the wrong choices
Speaker 5: as a as a community.
Speaker 1: So when we lost the feeling of us, yeah to
Speaker 1: be we wanted to be a part of y'all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean freshing. Yeah.
Speaker 5: So it was black was everything that's James Brown everything,
Speaker 5: black consciousness.
Speaker 1: That was all you know, from the influence of.
Speaker 5: Donad Reelijah Muhammad and the Nation events, like everybody was
Speaker 5: down with the nation.
Speaker 1: Even that's what Jesse Jackson all that was this nation time?
Speaker 5: What time is it?
Speaker 1: Nation time? Nation time? Like everybody was riding with the nation.
Speaker 5: They didn't necessarily claim to be Muslim, but they was
Speaker 5: all sympathizer, they were all supporters, They was all on
Speaker 5: that page.
Speaker 1: But it was It wasn't until it looked like the Nation.
Speaker 5: Fell when Unu Realija Muhammad de party in nineteen seventy five.
Speaker 1: Then everything went to shit show and they started offering
Speaker 1: people opportunities, naming stars, and at that same time they
Speaker 1: swapped out Black Consciousness for the startup.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and keep in mind it is jag Hoover atbi co,
Speaker 5: intil Pro and CIA all the way in the mix.
Speaker 5: So because right after that, the spin off after that
Speaker 5: was basically the Panther Party, you know what I'm saying, right,
Speaker 5: you know, that was actually right you know, late sixties,
Speaker 5: mid sixty late sixties, after Malcolm X got assassinated.
Speaker 1: So those of us that wasn't with that.
Speaker 5: Necessarily spiritual discipline and that discipline and not picking up arms,
Speaker 5: you know, guns and all that and self defense like that,
Speaker 5: they you know, they did the Nation, I mean, the
Speaker 5: Black Panther thing. So that was very easily infiltrated by
Speaker 5: you know, by the coin tailpro and that's how they
Speaker 5: wiped them out. But it all, it all went down
Speaker 5: after the Elijah Muhammad departed, so.
Speaker 1: Damn yeah. So you've really seen a birth of like
Speaker 1: welfare to some degree. Oh yeah, absolutely, And what it
Speaker 1: did to our women's mind, what it did to our.
Speaker 5: The males respect and self esteem, what it did to
Speaker 5: for the disrespect of children towards the fathers. You know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. Because everybody was like, well, I'm gonna
Speaker 5: go along with this program. I gotta stay out. I
Speaker 5: gotta stay out the way. It can't make it look
Speaker 5: like I'm living here with the with the with my children,
Speaker 5: my own women and my children. So it turned into
Speaker 5: a three Z old four grab. It was like a
Speaker 5: three or old four. We thought we was finessing the system,
Speaker 5: but we was just finessing our own man who our
Speaker 5: own family structure.
Speaker 1: So this is kind of what gave too much power
Speaker 1: to gaining. Absolutely absolutely, because.
Speaker 2: You know, the thinking about it, seventy five is when
Speaker 2: it really boomed boom. It didn't really boom to the eighties,
Speaker 2: but when it starts splitting up, it start being kind
Speaker 2: of what we see it today. Ass that's around the
Speaker 2: same time, that's whenzing Mom had passed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, he didn't pass you know that he departed
Speaker 1: from among us.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So but it was that green light that the enemy,
Speaker 5: that the you know, the enemy aspect of this government,
Speaker 5: you know, pushed the line real hard and went after
Speaker 5: us on the full cointael pro program and started gassing
Speaker 5: our women up and offering them you know, women's lib.
Speaker 1: And and you know, equality and this and that.
Speaker 5: So that's like, uh yeah, the concept of just like
Speaker 5: in uh, if you into the Bible in Genesis, the
Speaker 5: snake came at Eve. He ain't come at Adam. The
Speaker 5: snake knew to get at Eve because Eve is naturally
Speaker 5: under the authority of her man, you know what I'm saying. So,
Speaker 5: and I'm inspiring insight, jealousy or envy of your your
Speaker 5: your natural black authority.
Speaker 1: And you could be equal with God. You know, you
Speaker 1: ain't got to be under God. You ain't got to
Speaker 1: be under that your man. You can be equal with
Speaker 1: your man. So they start pushing that and using their.
Speaker 5: Dollars in their media and all of that to gas
Speaker 5: our women up like we don't need them, okay, And
Speaker 5: that was the beginning of the end, and that that
Speaker 5: instilled the disrespect and the disregard and the children for
Speaker 5: you know, for the black man, for they, you know,
Speaker 5: So we grew up single, you know, in single mama households.
Speaker 1: Already know nothing about already black man problems.
Speaker 5: So that's why you know, niggas rebuilding and went to
Speaker 5: gangs and the homies and hanging out and all.
Speaker 1: That, because we was taught a disrespect or even a
Speaker 1: hatred for for our our viles for black men. Yeah,
Speaker 1: still you remember you you right there with cameras that
Speaker 1: do you remember kind of welfare because you would have
Speaker 1: to be really young, But do you remember welfare becoming
Speaker 1: a thing like where it ran rampant in Cleveland? Because
Speaker 1: I would imagine the version was always around.
Speaker 2: The version of Cleveland I saw is not the version
Speaker 2: of Cleveland. We was joking the other day, but I
Speaker 2: was thinking, the version of Cleveland I saw is not
Speaker 2: always the version of Cleveland you grew up with. Like
Speaker 2: that version of Cleveland probably started happening as you start
Speaker 2: coming into your teenage years, the one that that felt
Speaker 2: like it was a despair, where like there was no
Speaker 2: way the factory wasn't around to keep all the businesses
Speaker 2: open so everybody could have money support the local businesses.
Speaker 2: So you probably saw that happen because I can't imagine
Speaker 2: Cleveland was like that in the sixties or in the seventies,
Speaker 2: like the version I saw that felt like all the
Speaker 2: businesses were closed and all this.
Speaker 3: You know what, Cleveland always had an element of griminess
Speaker 3: to it, but it wasn't as grimy as it was
Speaker 3: when the plants and stuff got shut shut down and
Speaker 3: people start, you know, losing jobs and stuff. But I'm
Speaker 3: gonna tell you where it really got bad when when
Speaker 3: crack hit the community. We always had a heroin problem, right,
Speaker 3: but it seemed like it's that kind of dissipated the
Speaker 3: crack stuff, you know, the crack came in and uh,
Speaker 3: I remember that.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: We had generations of people that was on welfare, man,
Speaker 3: and everybody kind ofknew. But everybody, everybody in every household
Speaker 3: was spending food stamps store somehow somewhere, even if they
Speaker 3: wasn't on welfare, you was, you know, your mama go
Speaker 3: buy some food stamps from somebody. So, yeah, people have
Speaker 3: bought food stamps, that's right. That's in the eighties. Shoot, yeah,
Speaker 3: in the eighties. Yeah, Because I remember, man, my mama, well,
Speaker 3: how at one of her friends and I think she
Speaker 3: give her one hundred dollars and we mess around to
Speaker 3: get one hundred and eighty dollars in food stamp for something.
Speaker 3: And I know, I hated when my mama sent me
Speaker 3: to the store of food stamp.
Speaker 1: So I remember that girl.
Speaker 3: Man, Yeah, I remember my mama sent me to the
Speaker 3: store one day, man, and she pulled like some twenties
Speaker 3: out her purse and then she when they got them
Speaker 3: food stamp, said go up here and get me this,
Speaker 3: you know, a.
Speaker 1: Half pound in this, some of this and that. And
Speaker 1: I was like, dang.
Speaker 5: And this girl.
Speaker 3: She was following me around the store. It seemed like, man,
Speaker 3: So I'm moved in one line, then I moved to other.
Speaker 3: She was behind me and this lady. The thing was like,
Speaker 3: this lady, the thing was like, don't be embarrassed to
Speaker 3: spend these food stamps all out. I was so embarrassed.
Speaker 5: Man, I can't remember the movie. You remember the movie Claudine,
Speaker 5: right with James L. Jones Rest in Peace and Diane
Speaker 5: Carroll Claudine g oh Man, that's a classic.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I'm just now getting into movies from the seventies
Speaker 2: and sixties. I've never in my life really got into
Speaker 2: movies from the seventies and sixties till probably over the
Speaker 2: last two years.
Speaker 5: Tonight, when you get off, watch the movie Claudein with
Speaker 5: James Jo Jones and Diane Carroll. That's nineteen seventy four.
Speaker 5: Nineteen seventy four. That's talking about.
Speaker 2: We said, Diane Carroll, you know what I automatically think about,
Speaker 2: and it's probably not right, but I think of money
Speaker 2: talk when Chris Tucker was talking about the Italian singer
Speaker 2: that married Diane Carroll.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, but that's her because she was BOSD. She
Speaker 5: used to being back. They talked about like but on
Speaker 5: the movie Claudine to let you know, that's the beginning
Speaker 5: of of you know, that was in the b exploitation
Speaker 5: film era, but that was telling you the cultural where
Speaker 5: the cultural you know, went to that whole welfare system
Speaker 5: and how you couldn't have a man in the house.
Speaker 1: Watch the movie.
Speaker 5: Clauding Everybody that's that's that's watching this, go check out
Speaker 5: the movie Clauding In.
Speaker 1: And that's the beginning of it. That's the mid early
Speaker 1: mid seventies. That's when that.
Speaker 5: That's when the whole culture changed. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: into that whole welfare system, depending on the government.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: So here's here's odd question. Now, you you would have
Speaker 2: for sure been a kid, you would have been not
Speaker 2: even a teenager.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. How did this is gonna be odd? Forgive me,
Speaker 1: I don't know. How did watch change? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? When cracking?
Speaker 2: What was it like before versus you starting to now
Speaker 2: see different homies, different people's parents becoming You've seen the
Speaker 2: environment change, what like, how did that change happen versus
Speaker 2: when you was.
Speaker 1: Growing up to then? Yeah, a teenager, it was pride.
Speaker 1: It was pride.
Speaker 5: I'm talking about righteous pride. It was Black pride, it
Speaker 5: was consciousness. It was education. Like back then, white schools
Speaker 5: and and even compon schools like Willard Brook and Centennial
Speaker 5: and all of that, they was known for, like especially
Speaker 5: like Willerbrook Middle School, they was known for.
Speaker 1: Being like the highest rank you know, educational.
Speaker 5: You know, like because white people used to live there,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. So, so it was still
Speaker 5: it was still honorable. It was still like like highly
Speaker 5: ranked in the whole state, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So it was a lot of brilliant you know, students
Speaker 5: and teachers and all of that that was in these
Speaker 5: schools mark them and and you know, so the quality
Speaker 5: was up, the quality the quality of of of pride
Speaker 5: and the quality.
Speaker 1: Of health and family and community and shit.
Speaker 5: It was it was fresh off the black you know,
Speaker 5: the civil rights or not civil rights, but you know,
Speaker 5: the black consciousness moving civil rights.
Speaker 2: That's it's not that far so, right when civil rights
Speaker 2: movement is mid sixties, late sixties. Yeah, yeah, sixties, the
Speaker 2: whole sixties. So it's fresh off of that. Yeah, after that,
Speaker 2: we stresh off of that.
Speaker 5: So some people it's going a non violent way trying
Speaker 5: to integrate, but other people is trying to stay separated
Speaker 5: and build. But still that was all based on black consciousness,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. But once the dope came in,
Speaker 5: you know, it really has started with in my opinion,
Speaker 5: it started with the the free love like you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, you know, like soul trained, like they
Speaker 5: start working on the culture through huh yeah, a black
Speaker 5: hippie life. Yeah, the hippies is the drug. It's free love,
Speaker 5: free sex, and free love. In the seventies, the Age
Speaker 5: of Aquarius, the age of the Quers. Now that's when
Speaker 5: soul trained. You know, you start seeing more mini skirts
Speaker 5: and you know, seeing freaking and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 5: So the Hollywood and the media started promoting more moral,
Speaker 5: more party three behavior, Yeah, promiscuous behavior, and it was
Speaker 5: looking like it was getting rewarded, and it was what
Speaker 5: we was always fascinated about doing anyway, So they was
Speaker 5: hyping our our immorality. They was promoting our immorality and
Speaker 5: rewarding us for it. And then, like I say, you
Speaker 5: had all the blaxploitation films like Nolamite and all of that.
Speaker 5: So media had a huge part to do with our degeneration.
Speaker 5: We got programmed, we got his wife's called programming. We
Speaker 5: got programmed and rewarded at the same time, and next thing,
Speaker 5: you know, everybody was doing it.
Speaker 2: M I always say, like, that's the same thing with
Speaker 2: Game ban Like most people didn't know what it was,
Speaker 2: and they gave you this kind of like Colored had
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes of gang banging in the movie, right in
Speaker 2: a two hour movie about police. But somehow this movie
Speaker 2: influenced a bunch of that's scary when you.
Speaker 5: Think it's called colors. You know, Game Bangin't had nothing
Speaker 5: to do with colors, especially it's called Color. The movie
Speaker 5: called colors like blue and red.
Speaker 1: Yes, but that's how people think s.
Speaker 2: One of the hardest thing to do is each other
Speaker 2: brothers that grew up other ghettos around this country.
Speaker 1: That it's not about blue and red.
Speaker 2: It's almost like, I'm like, y'all cannot think that it
Speaker 2: would be this dumb, whereas like, oh he's wearing red,
Speaker 2: I'm going to kill him. It's like it means something
Speaker 2: way more and way deeper, like there's something happening here.
Speaker 2: But they like nau Gio Crips that the crazy problem,
Speaker 2: like the crips, And it's like, bro, I don't even
Speaker 2: know that era of what you're talking about when you
Speaker 2: say the crips, right like you saw that. Matter of fact,
Speaker 2: you probably don't remember that version of the crips the time.
Speaker 2: You could probably consciously see the split happening amongst these people.
Speaker 2: They was already separated, like Carver, you know, teen Mona
Speaker 2: was already a thing by that point. I don't think
Speaker 2: none of us is even y'all generation, right, remember the crips.
Speaker 2: Like that's how probably still thought about it, coming from Cleveland,
Speaker 2: where it's like, oh, the crips.
Speaker 1: Then he came to Long Beach and was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: now these dudes are separate.
Speaker 5: Well, I don't even think I don't even remember when
Speaker 5: they start really saying crips because they were just saying cuz.
Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying, We were saying cuz.
Speaker 1: We weren't saying crips like we crip. That was the thing.
Speaker 3: When I first came out here, I noticed everybody along
Speaker 3: Beach State wasn't even their name. Everybody was cuzed because
Speaker 3: fat cuz skinny cuz.
Speaker 1: Yeah they were. We wouldn't even say that this this
Speaker 1: crip like nigga, this crip like it was like this
Speaker 1: this cuzcuz mo. We just like cozmo, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Yeah back, So yeah, so it turned into something else
Speaker 5: because of the media. The media, I'm telling you, I
Speaker 5: can't underestimate the cultural influences that or the trends or
Speaker 5: whatever that the media co intail pro these these you know,
Speaker 5: I ain't gonna say Rainbow or small cap or whatever.
Speaker 5: But whoever it is controlled that owns and controls the Hollywood,
Speaker 5: whoever created Hollywood, them the ones that made us, the
Speaker 5: buffoons and the sambos and the big eye watermelon eating
Speaker 5: like that that made us, you know, like we had
Speaker 5: bones in our nose swinging in Africa and we were savage.
Speaker 5: It's whoever controlled the media is what who programs the
Speaker 5: you know the minds of the people. So if they
Speaker 5: want us to paint a certain narrative, narrative, they're gonna
Speaker 5: do it through their media.
Speaker 1: And that's that's what been happening.
Speaker 5: Colors was absolutely never how we looked at that, you know,
Speaker 5: but just saying and this ain't no difs to iced tea,
Speaker 5: salute ice tea. You know what I'm saying, that's my
Speaker 5: g But but he was more telling them what they
Speaker 5: wanted to hear, like like.
Speaker 1: You know, based off the film. Yeah, with a little nuance. Well,
Speaker 1: I would say, because you know, I'm I'm I was there,
Speaker 1: so to speak.
Speaker 5: So I would say, like Robert Townsend movie with Chen Ivy,
Speaker 5: Hollywood scheff right, more more, jives more more more, you know,
Speaker 5: some some stupid trivial like blue and blue and red
Speaker 5: your colors it's about colors.
Speaker 2: They ain't got it, so you just you just given colors.
Speaker 2: The song Colors ain't really about colors, but but it's
Speaker 2: called colors. The fact that it's called colors. That's the
Speaker 2: biggest programming right there, because now that's the title of it.
Speaker 2: And now the low Now yeah, that's the definition of that.
Speaker 2: That's the definition of gang banging to them, Now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they like Colors.
Speaker 2: You know what's funny when when I listen to how
Speaker 2: great that song is, and you right, the title does
Speaker 2: kind of give the misleading that this is when you
Speaker 2: listen to the words of how brilliant has written him
Speaker 2: describing the plights of to me, your generation, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like this is the mind state of the of the
Speaker 1: people going through the most, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Whereas like brother god like because you know their mother
Speaker 2: wasn't on crack ice tea and the moms ice t
Speaker 2: is born in fifty eight, so they're they're from So
Speaker 2: he was really to me describing the plight of the
Speaker 2: following generation.
Speaker 1: I agree. Get me, when I came out here, she
Speaker 1: didn't want me to come. Seeah, I agree with with that.
Speaker 1: But just the fact, like I said, the title and
Speaker 1: the hook.
Speaker 5: So no matter what he was saying, he's still programming
Speaker 5: the unknown, those that don't know because people that really
Speaker 5: was banging or whatever, they're just gonna go along with
Speaker 5: like they know he wasn't banged out like that. So
Speaker 5: but but you said us colors like you're drilling that
Speaker 5: ship into their head.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: You know what's a you know what's a a great
Speaker 2: modern version of that song. And I tell people all
Speaker 2: the time, gangs is PREADI.
Speaker 1: Coolio, yeah, coolie.
Speaker 2: I love how they described the life of that to me,
Speaker 2: a person that's in way too deep because colors the
Speaker 2: person in extremely deep, you know what I mean? My
Speaker 2: brother got shot, my mama's my brother got my mom
Speaker 2: is on crack like that is a deep life to
Speaker 2: be in.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It blows my mind. Man, sometimes when I think about it,
Speaker 2: and I wish I could have saw to watch.
Speaker 5: You saw even with with a with a ice teeth saying, uh,
Speaker 5: the gangs in l A will never die. Just multiply
Speaker 5: like that's that's that's programming. That is actually a you
Speaker 5: know what do you call hypnotic hypnotic suggestions?
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 3: And it was just so profound. Listen to this, man,
Speaker 3: I am a nightmare walking cyclepath talking king of my jungle,
Speaker 3: just against this talking living life like a fire cracker,
Speaker 3: quick as my fuse vendettas of death black the colors
Speaker 3: like shoes red or blue because of blood. It's just
Speaker 3: don't matter. Sucker died for your life with my shotgun
Speaker 3: scatters the games in LA would never die.
Speaker 1: Just what's crazy is the shotgun?
Speaker 2: That cheap ass gun that was like their gun too,
Speaker 2: Like I'll be I was reading the book that Tiki wrote,
Speaker 2: Blu Rays Black Redemption, and they loved him a shotgun?
Speaker 1: But is that is that really?
Speaker 4: Is that?
Speaker 1: Is that verse really accurate? Or is that is that Hollywood?
Speaker 5: I think let me, let me, let me lay this,
Speaker 5: let me let me show you something, because this is
Speaker 5: what you've been saying all the time, g about how
Speaker 5: that's not gang that's not gang life, that's not gang bang,
Speaker 5: that's we're not the nightmares, We're not the you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying that if anything, that's talking about the
Speaker 5: slave masters and how they get down and how they live.
Speaker 1: Because we we want peace, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: We warriors, but we ain't out there stalking like like
Speaker 5: that's the twenty four seven.
Speaker 1: That's a that's a pure monster. That's like minister society.
Speaker 5: That justifies, that justifies to get the government is sending
Speaker 5: the National Guardian and wiping us all out in everybody
Speaker 5: I heard.
Speaker 3: Being a cat coming from Ohio Kim. When I heard
Speaker 3: this and saw the movie, I remember I was coming
Speaker 3: to California and my mom didn't want me to go.
Speaker 3: She was dead saying, she said, they got them crips
Speaker 3: out there and they're crazy and they're doing this. You
Speaker 3: go out there with the kill And I was like, Mama,
Speaker 3: I don't think it's gonna be like that had this
Speaker 3: image in her mind and it was just gonna be
Speaker 3: crips walking down the street and it was just gonna
Speaker 3: be you got on read'na blew your brains up.
Speaker 1: You know what.
Speaker 2: Here's something I asked you and you can remember this,
Speaker 2: and I never asked this in my life. When did
Speaker 2: watch Shrink? That might be something you could kind of remember.
Speaker 2: It's close because you wasn't like Watts got really small,
Speaker 2: but Wats had to be big because I would always
Speaker 2: read stories where they said Sam Cook died and watched
Speaker 2: and Sam Cook died like figure Row in like ninety seven.
Speaker 5: So all of that, Yeah, South parts of South Central
Speaker 5: and Compton was all still considered Watts, right, WATS was
Speaker 5: a was a.
Speaker 1: It's like a movement. It's a movement. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: a movement.
Speaker 5: It had to do with the consciousness, you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying of that little part of south central LA.
Speaker 5: It really wasn't rooted around the projects.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It is now like it
Speaker 1: is now. And it also had to do with you know,
Speaker 1: with the pol tics politics.
Speaker 5: Even right now now they call you know, like they
Speaker 5: split it up and say this is Willardbrook and this is.
Speaker 1: Such and such, and you know what I'm saying, and
Speaker 1: this is but.
Speaker 5: How how like I said, from Compton like before it
Speaker 5: was the one ten Freeway because all of that is
Speaker 5: where black black you know, actors or black entertainers or
Speaker 5: you know where like up Central Boulevard and and uh,
Speaker 5: I mean it's not the central uh from from Avalon, Yeah,
Speaker 5: from Central all the way like like athen Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: Athens Park all the way up to uh like going
Speaker 5: all the way towards downtown LA. Like all of that
Speaker 5: was was considered you know, black affluent. You know, so
Speaker 5: like low Bottoms was considered like the low so all
Speaker 5: of that was considered Watts you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: wats was like you said, it was a movement, you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, the consciousness movement, and that really
Speaker 5: kind of sparked because of the riots, because of the
Speaker 5: you know, the the rebellion of standing up against the police,
Speaker 5: because it was already you know, that's what the gangs
Speaker 5: even started, the cribs, and the and the and the
Speaker 5: brown berets. Everybody was trying to get their organizations together,
Speaker 5: a brotherhood to defend them against racist white folks and
Speaker 5: racist police.
Speaker 1: So Watts had the gold star based off of the
Speaker 1: sixty three.
Speaker 5: Riots exactly, so everybody wanted to be from Watch, everything
Speaker 5: was Watts.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Everything that that that that shared that mentality in the
Speaker 5: surrounding districts or whatever was just considered Watts.
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 5: Then they got, like I said, the politicians political. Then
Speaker 5: they started drawing out, you know, the literal borders, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Even though it was that, but you know, it just
Speaker 5: meant something else, just like it's people out of town
Speaker 5: claiming chickshaw or claiming neighborhood or whatever.
Speaker 1: Like That's how it was around here. Like everybody was
Speaker 1: like Watch with the three, you know, the Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, even if you're in Compton, even if you some
Speaker 5: some people, even if they in Long Beach, wherever, wherever
Speaker 5: black people were.
Speaker 1: That was like the mecca of Los Angeles black consciousness.
Speaker 2: Oh so this is before yeah, because I was realizing
Speaker 2: black people couldn't really live on the West Side like
Speaker 2: that for long.
Speaker 5: Nah, you couldn't like that kind is more like a
Speaker 5: thing in the sixties. Yeah, so Watch was like Harlem.
Speaker 5: Watch was like the Harlem for Harlem is to New York.
Speaker 3: I knows had the best breakfast place, man, I hey
Speaker 3: you that man, My boy took me over there. I
Speaker 3: forget the name of that place, but I had a
Speaker 3: really good breakfast over there. Y'all know Wat's coffee House.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't remember that when I was younger.
Speaker 1: Like that, you're talking about women on women, you talk about.
Speaker 2: Talking about the coffee house. It's over the one hundred
Speaker 2: and third. Oh, I don't really remember that place when
Speaker 2: I was younger. It was really I got older though,
Speaker 2: but I don't really want I had some like pancakes
Speaker 2: over there, man, that really, Like, I want to ask
Speaker 2: you one.
Speaker 1: Thing, cam like culture, that's culture.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: The nineties was the height against the rep right, and
Speaker 3: you were sorting the whole thing.
Speaker 1: You know what, you know this peak?
Speaker 3: Right? What was the climate like in LA then? Was
Speaker 3: it a lot of banging going on? Because I was
Speaker 3: out here, but I wasn't a part of I was
Speaker 3: in Long Beach playing football, you know, I really seldom
Speaker 3: left Long Beach. How was l A Was it a
Speaker 3: little bit more turnking than it was now?
Speaker 5: Absolutely, like at the early nineties, by the time the
Speaker 5: nineties here it was, it was at the peak, like
Speaker 5: eighty four eighty five is when it started climbing.
Speaker 1: But once nineteen ninety hit that that was all bad.
Speaker 1: It was all bad.
Speaker 5: The full programming had kicked in. The full programming had
Speaker 5: kicked in.
Speaker 1: I remember that still. I remember that like crazy. I
Speaker 1: remember being ten in it, being active, Like I remember
Speaker 1: how crazy it was. And again like remember this is
Speaker 1: crack money. You can't have a war unless you can
Speaker 1: finance a war.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like remember gang bag has started in sixty
Speaker 2: nine and he's telling you it's not really fully active
Speaker 2: until roughly twenty some years later, right, because they couldn't
Speaker 2: finance a war, like, none of them dudes, if gang bags,
Speaker 2: if crips, starts in sixty nine, right, and mind you
Speaker 2: blood remember, bloods are not like they're more like a
Speaker 2: conglomerate of different groups that existed before crips. Right on,
Speaker 2: the boys that's before crips, the chain gang which became
Speaker 2: the families before crips, Brims, all of these different things
Speaker 2: at the park, boys, Piru, street boys. These are before gangs,
Speaker 2: like the way we see games. So from what I've
Speaker 2: been able to really decipher is the guys and communities
Speaker 2: that could they could fight off this uprising of young
Speaker 2: dudes you know, called the cryps coming to their neighborhood.
Speaker 2: Those guys kind of got with each other. And that's
Speaker 2: what you know is bloods like Grims, you know Bonnie
Speaker 2: and the boys. You know, the families, which is you know,
Speaker 2: Chang gang like all of these things them was before crips.
Speaker 2: I know for sure, the Chang Gang at this park
Speaker 2: boys Bonnie on his day before crips, like their groups,
Speaker 2: and then they became bloods later.
Speaker 5: Just think of the coen tail pro aspect of that.
Speaker 5: Why would we need to form other groups against other
Speaker 5: black men?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: That's why I always look at I always look at
Speaker 5: knowing what happened to the panthers, knowing what happened to
Speaker 5: Malcolm in the nation that once that was dissolved and
Speaker 5: what that looked like that was destroyed, then they gonna
Speaker 5: they're gonna implement that throughout every little organization of black people,
Speaker 5: you know, in the country, any and the inner cities
Speaker 5: like that, especially, says and they warriors. They got a
Speaker 5: lot of pent up energy and testosterone. They know it's
Speaker 5: time to fight against the enemy, but they don't know
Speaker 5: what enemy they're supposed to fight.
Speaker 1: That's why I.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't take That's why I wouldn't take the job because
Speaker 2: I always felt like like like a like a regular
Speaker 2: forgive me, and you know.
Speaker 1: This could be one of the things that be a problem.
Speaker 1: But just scientifically speaking, like.
Speaker 2: A regular vaccine was built off taking a weakened virus
Speaker 2: and checking in your body and your body formulating the
Speaker 2: correct white blood cells and all the right stuff to
Speaker 2: fight it off. It's another thing to take a vaccine
Speaker 2: that's built on the synthetic representation of the protein, so
Speaker 2: it's a fake version of the protein that your he
Speaker 2: won't have to fight anything off, but it formulates the
Speaker 2: warriors like Camp and if it's warriors, mm hm, they may.
Speaker 2: That's how my mind always processed why I didn't want
Speaker 2: to take that. Yeah, well you know you right, bro,
Speaker 2: it's not I'm not I can't and mathematically speaking, but.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's you Have you ever heard
Speaker 1: of m k ultra? Yeah, mind control?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you think about this. I learned new stuff
Speaker 3: every day because I you know, I read a lot
Speaker 3: to do a lot of research on this stuff. Right,
Speaker 3: Charles Manson, Whitey Bulger, like Charles Manson in particular, you know,
Speaker 3: they practiced mk ultra on him, right, he was meant
Speaker 3: to go out and facilitate to start a race war
Speaker 3: or something like that. Man, And that was a real thing.
Speaker 3: You ever heard of that camp?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I heard a lot of a lot about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. He was really like like even Whitey Boulger, like
Speaker 3: you know, white Boulger, anybody that would listen, he would
Speaker 3: tell her, Man, I wasn't really a criminal until they
Speaker 3: start doing that stuff with me in prison, you know,
Speaker 3: and making me and I do stuff, and I don't remember.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you know, uh you know you remember you know
Speaker 1: Dion stayed on aswerk. Yeah, yeah, I know a couple
Speaker 1: of you talking about from from from the park, Yeah, LaToya, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they her son Mike. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Man, he used to tell me his experience, and I
Speaker 2: think they used to do something to him. Absolutely, not
Speaker 2: not the prisoners, but the police. No, No, absolutely, he
Speaker 2: was a cooper. But like the way he talked about jail,
Speaker 2: I could tell what had nothing to do with the
Speaker 2: other inmates. It was like like medicine or they did something.
Speaker 2: Absolutely is real. G Yeah, I mean I don't I'm
Speaker 2: not saying it's really false. I'm just saying that's how
Speaker 2: he talked about it. Like he talked about it like
Speaker 2: they mess with his mind or something.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely they do.
Speaker 5: And especially if you if you're going in that that
Speaker 5: that sector, like you're having you know, psychological issues, then
Speaker 5: you you basically open yourself up to be a lab rat.
Speaker 2: Here's a question, because I ain't gonna we ain't gonna
Speaker 2: drag this thing out. Here's a question that I had
Speaker 2: to start.
Speaker 1: Every day.
Speaker 2: Poverty is kind of being segregated. Where were right where
Speaker 2: Back back when I was younger, back when y'all was younger,
Speaker 2: we could be poor together.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had our problem, but we could be poor together, right,
Speaker 2: and that poverty together is where we get that culture
Speaker 2: from in general.
Speaker 1: Right, we we all come together, we all create these movements,
Speaker 1: and we're together.
Speaker 2: And now what they're doing with poverty is they're making
Speaker 2: it spread out, like they pushed it into different.
Speaker 1: Places where you don't have a community. Like they's stripping
Speaker 1: us of community in the form, in the form of selfishness.
Speaker 1: They inspire you to go for selfie.
Speaker 5: You know, like you said, we used to be together
Speaker 5: and if one of us is starving, didn't have no
Speaker 5: clothes and no shoes, no eggs or whatever, then you know,
Speaker 5: we're covered down and we'll get through it together, as
Speaker 5: opposed to now they checking this. You know, theyne programmed
Speaker 5: us to go for self, not for for kind, not
Speaker 5: for go for self and kind, but go for your
Speaker 5: individual self at the expense of your other people. In
Speaker 5: other words, y'all, y'all stay together as long as y'all can,
Speaker 5: y'all be poor and struggling and help each other while
Speaker 5: y'all poor. But as soon as one of them get
Speaker 5: the opportunity to go get some or they hand pick
Speaker 5: one of y'all and and you know, and isolate you
Speaker 5: and give you something.
Speaker 1: Then they gonna take that and just go for.
Speaker 5: Self, and then that's gonna inspire the envy and the
Speaker 5: anger of the masses that you came from. So now
Speaker 5: there against each other. Now it's a it's a it's
Speaker 5: a gap against you know, people that used to be
Speaker 5: down with.
Speaker 2: Like they talked about the trick Baby, that little clip
Speaker 2: where the liberals and conservatives was arguing and they were saying.
Speaker 1: That, like, uh, what about playing for you? H what
Speaker 1: it's called trick Baby?
Speaker 2: It's that same era of film. You heard this to me,
Speaker 2: time to play for you. But it's that it talks
Speaker 2: about that same exact thing. Here, it is right here.
Speaker 1: Listenly lifted the mop power. It's you liberals who have
Speaker 1: lifted the mop power. You conservatives make a mistake.
Speaker 4: You can't afford the strangle hoping Without hope, people become dangerous.
Speaker 1: You liberals have left them in our society. You give
Speaker 1: them job political job. Boy, you missed the point. Only
Speaker 1: the smart ones we move up. That makes it even worse. Oh,
Speaker 1: you know, we have to move them up.
Speaker 4: If we leave a smart one in the ghetto, he
Speaker 4: might develop into a leader against us. But then we
Speaker 4: raise him up into white society. We neutralize. He feels
Speaker 4: compelled to try to act like us, his identity and
Speaker 4: his racial anger. If he hasn't, he becomes alien to
Speaker 4: his brothers. They realized he sold them out, and they
Speaker 4: grow to hate him. He becomes to them and safe
Speaker 4: for us. No thank you in fact, and his love
Speaker 4: for the creature comforts except for his color.
Speaker 1: He's become one of us.
Speaker 2: Man, I ain't never seen that or heard that, but
Speaker 2: he absolutely right that before it's called trick baby, Nah,
Speaker 2: I ain't never seen that clip.
Speaker 1: The clip is.
Speaker 2: Crazy, and I always remember it because everybody around me
Speaker 2: gets so mad. They feel like I'm against money, and
Speaker 2: it's like everybody feels like I have more opportunities. They're
Speaker 2: like last man, this person, like this person. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm not selling nothing out and that's so hard for
Speaker 2: people to get.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Satan came to
Speaker 2: me or I knew the nigga was Satan, but I'm
Speaker 2: saying it's not that. But you can't get me to
Speaker 2: compromise nothing of disrespecting my section feel me for a dollar,
Speaker 2: And that could be because I ain't never you know,
Speaker 2: I've had I've never been poor or or what people
Speaker 2: like as poor as other people. I've been broke, like
Speaker 2: the fist took everything from my mom twice. I've had
Speaker 2: everything took it for me twice as a kid. But
Speaker 2: I've also had enough to realize it ain't worth in
Speaker 2: any goddamn way.
Speaker 1: Can I play something on that note? I know you
Speaker 1: know you don't like to make waves or nothing like that,
Speaker 1: but you know making waves just breaking? Uh? Damn? Where
Speaker 1: is this that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: What you think about this? Damn? Where is that? Hold on? Second?
Speaker 1: All right? Still? What they are you doing? If I'm
Speaker 1: glad people can't see you on this podcast? You're looking down? No,
Speaker 1: I was. I was looking at some on the phone
Speaker 1: reading the text. Mister bro.
Speaker 3: Which one of you jigbo ass niggas gonna be the
Speaker 3: first one to do.
Speaker 1: Did you? Uncle Tom asked niggas for sure? Which one
Speaker 1: are you niggas gonna do it first?
Speaker 2: H So let me tell you my thoughts on that.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna well had that conversation. Yeah, I've seen that.
Speaker 2: I've seen that funny.
Speaker 1: So that right there?
Speaker 5: Like how if you say with trick baby, somebody, you
Speaker 5: know that's what that's our brother, we love him. That's
Speaker 5: you doing one good roast deserving another. He's literally roasting.
Speaker 5: I'm an roast whichever when you jiggaboo or with you,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, I.
Speaker 1: Don't you know. I'll be honest, big bro. I don't
Speaker 1: know why you felt like that the first time. I mean,
Speaker 1: we know that. I mean, but that's something we got.
Speaker 1: We gotta talk about it.
Speaker 5: You still using your influence to shame and to clown
Speaker 5: those of us that might have a different political viewpoint
Speaker 5: or like like a And that's my point.
Speaker 1: So like, I'm good with Dog being clown right for
Speaker 1: for actually talking shit about politicians. You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: I know he's talking about us. Who who might want
Speaker 5: to vote for a particular politician?
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's what I was telling. Somebody defend Snoop
Speaker 1: Dogg from your time.
Speaker 2: I'm ana defend him too, But I'm a defenda. I
Speaker 2: don't act like I just defend Dog. I'm probably Dog's
Speaker 2: hardest critical but I'm also honest. I've always said this.
Speaker 2: I didn't know when he was You are a cryopologist. Gee,
Speaker 2: I'm not a crypt apologist.
Speaker 1: Was just who you are?
Speaker 2: You were crips, loyalty for your people, that's not true.
Speaker 2: I talk bad about crips and bloods and white people equally.
Speaker 1: If you do for ship. I'm talking.
Speaker 2: I said this when that first happened, when I saw that,
Speaker 2: when that first came out, I'm like, why do we
Speaker 2: care which one of these white people win or which
Speaker 2: from these parts? These all the people ain't doing right
Speaker 2: by black people. I don't care if you do business
Speaker 2: one none of them, because none of them is righteous.
Speaker 2: The last one that probably was all right was JFK.
Speaker 2: He ain't get a chance to even be righteous. So
Speaker 2: again I always felt like his position even like to me,
Speaker 2: I felt like he got pressured by Black America into
Speaker 2: that stance.
Speaker 3: He messed with.
Speaker 1: Dude, But what that wasn't a trick baby example, a
Speaker 1: trick baby like one.
Speaker 4: Of us, he said.
Speaker 2: As far as people lifting him up, it could be.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think the culture is going to
Speaker 2: turn on him, because the culture don't hate Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: What's the culture?
Speaker 2: Our culture specific street arvy culture based out of southern California.
Speaker 1: I would I have to disagree.
Speaker 5: I would have to I think the culture is evolving
Speaker 5: now and becoming more conscious like it was, and it's
Speaker 5: holding us accountable more than what than it ever did before.
Speaker 1: That's what I think.
Speaker 2: I definitely don't believe that, but I think they're trying
Speaker 2: to you know what I'm saying, because I don't think
Speaker 2: that y'all the people that raise y'all like all, like
Speaker 2: you know, they were smarter forgive me.
Speaker 1: So the culture, the culture, the culture is not.
Speaker 5: Like even if the culture is being manipulated and influenced
Speaker 5: by the enemy, they already have been put a battery
Speaker 5: in the cultures.
Speaker 1: Back to hate the Orange man, right.
Speaker 2: Because because growing up and again I don't want to
Speaker 2: make this a thing for Trump like Trump, look, you
Speaker 2: really should like no politicians, especially when I'm talking about
Speaker 2: reparations and making the right wrong. That's the first time
Speaker 2: you can't believe in the American system. If the oldest
Speaker 2: mistake they've ever made, they haven't apologized and came out
Speaker 2: and repaired that relationship.
Speaker 3: Facts talk about reparations, they haven't even a politicized or acknowledge.
Speaker 1: Right there, That's how I see it right now, dog
Speaker 1: like in growing up.
Speaker 2: First off, before we get the dog growing up, Trump
Speaker 2: was a black celebrity my whole life right. I know
Speaker 2: that's a very odd thing to say. But Trump was
Speaker 2: only popular in black fold still when I was little.
Speaker 2: I've never seen the white people. Trump was severe lyrics like.
Speaker 2: But before that, I'm saying Trump was on Oprah. Trump
Speaker 2: gave Walter Payton, like the first million dollar contract for football,
Speaker 2: Walter Payton under herschel Walker herschel Walker Trump, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. Trump was with uh, Jesse Jackson, gave
Speaker 2: him some money.
Speaker 1: Trump was all with Rosa Parks, Muhammad Ali, you name it.
Speaker 1: Trump was I don't even know that.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying what I remember. Obviously in the eighties
Speaker 2: he was a black celebrity. Still my whole life. Now again,
Speaker 2: he's a white man, and I'm sure he asked forgive
Speaker 2: me Trump.
Speaker 1: I know, you listen this pot probably you know he's racists.
Speaker 2: Every other white man. They don't have no choice. They've
Speaker 2: been in this country. They've been programmed for years, so
Speaker 2: they're going to have.
Speaker 5: According to his actions, he was a little less racist
Speaker 5: than any white president before him.
Speaker 1: True, true, he's he's.
Speaker 5: That's the part that gets me, Like you're saying, I'm
Speaker 5: fascinated to how did y'all get the emotional hate battery
Speaker 5: in your back, calling him super racist, winning he ain't
Speaker 5: did nothing racist compare compared to all of the presidents,
Speaker 5: including Obama before him.
Speaker 1: Sure, which which I think real presidents are. It's a
Speaker 1: tough job. Let's just say that. I'm about this job.
Speaker 1: Tough job.
Speaker 2: You won't make a dumb it and none of them
Speaker 2: apologize or repair the relationship.
Speaker 1: So that's the problem.
Speaker 2: But again Trump, and this is not a Trump commercial.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying love for Trump. It's not I'm not
Speaker 2: saying believe it Trump. I'm telling you my whole life,
Speaker 2: black people love Trump.
Speaker 1: And then one day.
Speaker 2: I can't tell you today, but I had to be
Speaker 2: in my thirties when it's happened. Trump became like a
Speaker 2: regular white man and black people. Now, how it happened
Speaker 2: is a different story, but I'm telling you that. So
Speaker 2: even when Snoop was saying it the first time, even
Speaker 2: when the Homies put out the song saying fuck him,
Speaker 2: I didn't quite understand what was happening.
Speaker 1: But anybody tell me shit about white people, that's good
Speaker 1: with me. I'm sorry, not not if you being manipulated.
Speaker 5: Right, So this is the manipulation, and I'm not gonna
Speaker 5: get this page flagged and all of that.
Speaker 1: But there's a.
Speaker 5: Super deception came in when when when Trump was running
Speaker 5: for president, this is where it all went left against him.
Speaker 5: And that have to do with Gentiles and the and
Speaker 5: the J word. Right, so the oldest beef in the world,
Speaker 5: you know, old Haffield and McCoy. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: big brother versus little brother.
Speaker 1: But you know, it had to do with with.
Speaker 5: Doude not going along with the program, with the program
Speaker 5: and those those people from the j side of the game.
Speaker 5: Considering the deception is they they don't consider themselves white.
Speaker 1: So that's the deception. They want to say that they
Speaker 1: are a different race, that that's not white.
Speaker 5: And then they want to use their influence and their
Speaker 5: money and their media to try to side up with
Speaker 5: the with the blacks and say that we're we're suffered
Speaker 5: like you we're.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So now the enemy is now the enemy is white supremacy.
Speaker 5: Like wait, wait minute, you're you're white. Yes, no, we're
Speaker 5: not white, we're Jays, you know what I'm saying. So,
Speaker 5: and we got the money. They get mad at me.
Speaker 5: I'm like, bro, you're white. Yeah, and we got the
Speaker 5: money though. We got the money in the media to
Speaker 5: back up your black organizations. But you have to embrace
Speaker 5: us as being something other than white. We're not white,
Speaker 5: We're one of you.
Speaker 1: So I got it right.
Speaker 2: So again, so with Dog, I never agreed with him
Speaker 2: saying it the first time. I never agreed with him
Speaker 2: saying it the first time. It was more like, really, like,
Speaker 2: do these people like ain't these people all kind of
Speaker 2: like okay?
Speaker 1: And they were cool.
Speaker 2: He was at his rose before he said that, right,
Speaker 2: He was at his rose right, So I'm like, huh.
Speaker 2: So I always thought to myself, you might regret saying
Speaker 2: that now. I didn't think Dog would get in no trouble.
Speaker 2: I thought it could be a moment like this, Well
Speaker 2: you look up one day you'll be like, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: I got some money.
Speaker 1: And I need to be in cahoots with other people
Speaker 1: who got some money.
Speaker 5: But that's cool if it wouldn't have went to the
Speaker 5: violent suggestion way, right. So if you if you're doing
Speaker 5: videos with a blicky you know what I'm saying, and
Speaker 5: got a stunt, you know, somebody that's playing him you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, and then he actually, you know,
Speaker 5: winds up getting down there, Domed, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: And then Trump is not gonna take it like that.
Speaker 5: He's not gonna take it as entertainment. He knows the
Speaker 5: power of media and influence.
Speaker 1: He knows the power of.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because that's how you that's how you stir the
Speaker 5: people up in outrage. You use media, you use artists,
Speaker 5: you use actors, you use athletes, and say that this
Speaker 5: person is hitler and he needs to be tooken out
Speaker 5: and he needs to be such a setting people actually
Speaker 5: try to take him out.
Speaker 1: You think that dude is gonna forget that?
Speaker 5: You think you know you you you you say and
Speaker 5: were cool and I'm gonna perform at your such and
Speaker 5: such as making dug for like, forget that. You know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. It's not gonna go like that. He
Speaker 5: Trump is one of them, real dude. His name is
Speaker 5: Don for a reason that he's wanted, really one of
Speaker 5: them dudes for.
Speaker 1: Queen's New York.
Speaker 5: But he's a he owns casinos and even Queen we
Speaker 5: ain't got to know, you know what I'm saying, Queen's guy.
Speaker 1: So you know what that means, you know how he's.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's in he's in Dubai, he's in Russia, he
Speaker 5: got casino, he got he got that type of business
Speaker 5: all around the world. So you know, you can't be
Speaker 5: in that business, let alone be a boss in that
Speaker 5: business unless you were a real boss in that type
Speaker 5: of world. He's not playing. He's from the same camp
Speaker 5: that that you know, did what they did with JFK.
Speaker 5: The only one that's you know, that's the the op. Now.
Speaker 5: The bigger op is is them small caps that you
Speaker 5: know have an influence over the government or the like
Speaker 5: then and Yahoo situation. So it's way bigger than these
Speaker 5: ninja rappers that should have kept their mouth shut. That's
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. My point is you should have just
Speaker 5: stayed out of that.
Speaker 2: But you we can't go back in time now, but
Speaker 2: I think you got it coming. Every bit of criticism
Speaker 2: he had for one and not for all the rest
Speaker 2: of them, right almost something. So that's why I like,
Speaker 2: even when I saw it, somebody was like this, you
Speaker 2: ain't gonna comment or it's just coach. I'm like, this
Speaker 2: don't got nothing to do with culture. This is somebody
Speaker 2: put their foot in their mouth and now they about
Speaker 2: to look crazy. So I'm sure next time. You understand,
Speaker 2: I shouldn't say that.
Speaker 1: Well, it's not gonna be the next time. And that's
Speaker 1: part of you know, when when Grace is up or
Speaker 1: quote unquote end of the world.
Speaker 5: Certain certain things, you know, even like the final Call,
Speaker 5: the final Call, don't last forever.
Speaker 1: It's named that.
Speaker 5: The Nation of Islam newspaper is named that for a reason. Final, final,
Speaker 5: final call.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: So everybody gonna be less, everybody gonna be examples in
Speaker 5: one way or the other. So but these people, like
Speaker 5: the Bible say, I ain't gonna get into that, but woe,
Speaker 5: you know, woe to the inhabitors of the earth and
Speaker 5: the sea, because you know, the devil coming down on you,
Speaker 5: having great wrath because he know he got but a
Speaker 5: short time. And you know they already drew first first
Speaker 5: blazer on on Trump. So I don't think he's coming
Speaker 5: back to the ain't for sure coming back. Well, he's
Speaker 5: like he's like the political Christ of America.
Speaker 1: He comes back.
Speaker 5: He raised, he was rolled, he rolls shit, and he's back.
Speaker 5: And he's not coming back to hug nobody and to
Speaker 5: love nobody. He's coming back to deal with the people
Speaker 5: that try to crucify it. That's what I think if
Speaker 5: you was to ask me.
Speaker 1: It would be very mafia fitting mafia.
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, Dog said that,
Speaker 2: and that's what somebody said to me. I'm like, bro,
Speaker 2: like he got to deal with putting his foot in
Speaker 2: his mouth. I didn't agree when he said it first. Thing, like,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have said that minus the fear. Just the's
Speaker 2: all white people, there's all presidents and this one particularly,
Speaker 2: you couldn't have felt this way three years ago because
Speaker 2: you just did his roast like you would have Like
Speaker 2: imagine like somebody going to Hitler's roast and then you're
Speaker 2: talking about you was.
Speaker 1: At his roast, boy, Like, what's happening? Right?
Speaker 5: And I'm just gonna say, and I'm not happy about this,
Speaker 5: but this is something that you know, we we we
Speaker 5: give warnings and hopefully you know, our people, our brothers
Speaker 5: and sisters that that that's in harm's way, would would
Speaker 5: try to come towards the towards the nation.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. But rest in peace, Nip.
Speaker 5: But the most popular song at that time was the
Speaker 5: F T P F Donald Trump F Donald. So you know,
Speaker 5: the only one that's left, I believe is YG right,
Speaker 5: So brother, young brother YG like trust and believe you
Speaker 5: know you next on the list, I believe.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So there's no amount of blooding or street tough guys
Speaker 5: stuff that you know, because this this man don't he
Speaker 5: don't play that.
Speaker 1: So it's just something, you know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: would to get out in front of that there Lonzo
Speaker 1: in the Jungles last scene on you.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, whenever you do something that bold
Speaker 5: and that blatant and it and it takes off it
Speaker 5: because you know, the the handlers, those those uh, those
Speaker 5: those j's is making sure it takes off. You know,
Speaker 5: Ja's making sure that song go viral. And since it
Speaker 5: was just Nip and him, right, it wasn't nobody else
Speaker 5: on that song, was it. Yeah, then you know that's
Speaker 5: that's even more then than Snoop. You know, that's even
Speaker 5: more of a you know, he he want to he
Speaker 5: want to call you to the carpet even more than Snoop.
Speaker 5: So I would, I Wouldnybody that you know that that
Speaker 5: have an ear or got YG's here probably need to
Speaker 5: really counsel him on how to maneuver.
Speaker 1: Right now, stay low, Yeah, Yeah, and just get what
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 5: Get some wise council, some wise spiritual counsel on how
Speaker 5: to how to maneuver because uh, Orange Man is coming
Speaker 5: for sure.
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