1
00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,600
Speaker 1: Welcome into the Ticket to the Draft. I'm Logan Paulson,

2
00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:04,560
Speaker 1: and we've got such a fantastic show for you today

3
00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:06,440
Speaker 1: where it's day two of the Senior Bowl. You know

4
00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,280
Speaker 1: where we're at. We're down here in Mobile. We're giving

5
00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:10,480
Speaker 1: you all the information you can handle. We got stock up,

6
00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,920
Speaker 1: stock down, who are rising, who are falling? And then

7
00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:18,360
Speaker 1: we got pff, Trevor Sikma, head draft analyst in the

8
00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:20,560
Speaker 1: building helping us out with what the Commanders are going

9
00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:22,520
Speaker 1: to do it too. But that's not why he's really here.

10
00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:23,720
Speaker 1: He's here to talk about what we're doing in the

11
00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:27,520
Speaker 1: second and third rounds. Great insight that all starts right out.

12
00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:34,760
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Ticket of the Draft. I'm Logan Paulson,

13
00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:36,599
Speaker 1: and reminder, the Ticket of the Draft is presented by

14
00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:41,800
Speaker 1: Seat Geek, the official priority ticket partner of your Washington Commanders,

15
00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,880
Speaker 1: and I'm here but none other than just a guy Jason,

16
00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,040
Speaker 1: also known as Producer Jason. For those of you guys

17
00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,240
Speaker 1: who follow the show, Hello Jason, how are you doing?

18
00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,720
Speaker 2: I'm doing great. Thank you for Seat Geek for getting

19
00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:53,760
Speaker 2: me the best set the house. I have the sitting

20
00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,480
Speaker 2: right here with you talking about these prospects. For the

21
00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:57,160
Speaker 2: Washington Company.

22
00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:58,880
Speaker 1: They are really good seats at the stadium. It's a

23
00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,080
Speaker 1: really nice stadium. What is it South Alabama or.

24
00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,920
Speaker 2: South Alabama, But it's very nice, very nice. Oddly, I

25
00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,880
Speaker 2: think Zach Selby said this today, it's oddly hot.

26
00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,240
Speaker 1: And cold at the same time.

27
00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,440
Speaker 2: The winds cold, but that sun is beating down.

28
00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, And how the how'd your battle with the sun

29
00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:15,080
Speaker 1: to go? Today?

30
00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,880
Speaker 2: It was okay. I got sunburnt pretty bad the first day, mistake,

31
00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:23,080
Speaker 2: and then have the sunscreen or the hat. So I

32
00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,720
Speaker 2: put on a hoodie today, which was great because it

33
00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:27,080
Speaker 2: was kind of cold with the air and I just

34
00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,440
Speaker 2: kept that hoodie over my head try and keep my

35
00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,920
Speaker 2: face and my neck underneath that thing. I'm sure I

36
00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,399
Speaker 2: looked weird wogging around with like the only guy with

37
00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:37,800
Speaker 2: a hoodie one like, head down all the time. But

38
00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:39,080
Speaker 2: gotta do what you gotta do.

39
00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I mean that's that's what good veteran veteran

40
00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,720
Speaker 1: players do, right, They adjust, They don't care what they

41
00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:45,600
Speaker 1: look like. They just make places when they gotta make plays.

42
00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,360
Speaker 1: And you made play today, coach. Yeah.

43
00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,720
Speaker 2: I also hardly ever care what I look like. So

44
00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:51,640
Speaker 2: that's right into my wheelhouse.

45
00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,600
Speaker 1: Right, So we got a really exciting show for you guys. Today,

46
00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,320
Speaker 1: we have a very special guest, Trevor Sikima, the lead

47
00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,480
Speaker 1: draft analyst PFF, is going to join us for the

48
00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:03,840
Speaker 1: second half of this show, so we're going to keep

49
00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:05,760
Speaker 1: the beginning of it nice and tight, so we get

50
00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:07,120
Speaker 1: to him and you can get his insight. He has

51
00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,120
Speaker 1: a great job talking about what we can do at

52
00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:10,800
Speaker 1: the second overall pick. And the thing I like about

53
00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,760
Speaker 1: Trevor is because he does this year round, he has

54
00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,000
Speaker 1: a really good understanding of who's going to be available

55
00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,720
Speaker 1: at thirty five, thirty eight, and potentially in the third round.

56
00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:20,600
Speaker 1: We talked about some of those names that are standing

57
00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:22,919
Speaker 1: out here at the Senior Bowl. With him, I mean,

58
00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,679
Speaker 1: he's just Jason. He's a beast dude. He's so impressive

59
00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:27,920
Speaker 1: his name recognition, the fact that he can remember all

60
00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:29,680
Speaker 1: this stuff about these guys, Like he didn't prep this.

61
00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:31,799
Speaker 1: He just sat down the seat, he said, I'm ready

62
00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:33,919
Speaker 1: to go, and just this was the words that came out.

63
00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:34,840
Speaker 1: It was incredible.

64
00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:36,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, this guy's done a couple of things with us.

65
00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:38,880
Speaker 2: He did some stuff with us at a combine last year.

66
00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,720
Speaker 2: PFF has been really good to us, as far as

67
00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:46,400
Speaker 2: giving us some access to their analysts and some of

68
00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,160
Speaker 2: the stuff that they got over there. It's really nerdy stuff,

69
00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,680
Speaker 2: so I know you love it. I love but Trevor

70
00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:53,440
Speaker 2: himself like this is all he does.

71
00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,720
Speaker 1: Like year round, and he does draft stuff year round.

72
00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,080
Speaker 2: So yeah, he knows these guys up and down. And

73
00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,680
Speaker 2: you're right. We walked up. He's like, yeah, what are

74
00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,200
Speaker 2: we doing. I'm like, we're gonna talk commanders stuff and

75
00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,120
Speaker 2: he's like, yeah, that's it. And it was like, great

76
00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,080
Speaker 2: conversation twenty three minutes. A ton of guys that we

77
00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:14,080
Speaker 2: talk about. I was like, I was just enthralled with

78
00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,600
Speaker 2: your guys conversation because as a former player talking with

79
00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:19,760
Speaker 2: like a guy that this is what he does is

80
00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,119
Speaker 2: just evaluate players. Like seeing you two have that back

81
00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,720
Speaker 2: and forth conversation was really good. I'm gonna listen to

82
00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,119
Speaker 2: it again when this podcast comes out. I'm gonna listen

83
00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:29,840
Speaker 2: to our whole conversation again. Because a lot of good

84
00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,720
Speaker 2: names in there, a lot of possibilities for Washington that

85
00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:34,000
Speaker 2: is pretty exciting.

86
00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:35,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we have so much respect for him. We

87
00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,320
Speaker 1: all listen to his podcast, the NFL Stocking Stage Podcast,

88
00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,600
Speaker 1: and that's on there too, give it a plug because

89
00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,720
Speaker 1: he does a great job speaking of stock stock up

90
00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,440
Speaker 1: and stock down today, Right, that's what we're gonna do.

91
00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,120
Speaker 2: That's what we're gonna do. So let's do a little

92
00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,200
Speaker 2: bit of house clean keeping, a little bit housekeeping, and

93
00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,840
Speaker 2: then we're gonna play some stock up stock down for today.

94
00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,000
Speaker 2: You're gonna tell me stock went up today, guys who

95
00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:57,840
Speaker 2: stock went down? And then will hit you up with

96
00:03:57,840 --> 00:03:58,800
Speaker 2: the Trevor sick May interview.

97
00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:00,640
Speaker 1: And I usually don't like doing that, but I think

98
00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,520
Speaker 1: the fun thing about this Senior Bowl so far is

99
00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,400
Speaker 1: that they've been there's been so many guys who've done

100
00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,640
Speaker 1: such a good job. And Trevor Sickoma talked about that

101
00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,120
Speaker 1: in the interview where he was like, it's just such

102
00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,120
Speaker 1: a fun group because everyone's playing good football, and I

103
00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:14,640
Speaker 1: feel really good about that. So it's hard for me

104
00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,800
Speaker 1: to find stockdown guys. We found a couple, but housekeeping,

105
00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,520
Speaker 1: let's do that real quick. So on a fun housekeeping note.

106
00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,360
Speaker 1: Soney Vake from Utah, the safety number thirty four, who

107
00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,200
Speaker 1: weighed at two hundred and twenty pounds and has like

108
00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,240
Speaker 1: the fastest GPS time, second fastest GPS time for a

109
00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,919
Speaker 1: defensive back here. When we watched this film, Jason obviously

110
00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,679
Speaker 1: very dynamic coverage player, like amazing coverage player, Like it's

111
00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,400
Speaker 1: it's almost mesmerizing watching him because he can just match

112
00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:43,279
Speaker 1: stuff so well. His footwork's excellent. Not the most physical tackler,

113
00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,359
Speaker 1: but actually did some good stuff with that today. He

114
00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:50,480
Speaker 1: actually his running back film in college is really really good,

115
00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,120
Speaker 1: Like he had ten catches against USC, he rushed for

116
00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,440
Speaker 1: over one hundred yards against col and he does it

117
00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,760
Speaker 1: like as like spot duty. So I was like, really

118
00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,200
Speaker 1: really the football neared me hoping that he would run

119
00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,720
Speaker 1: some routes today, and he ran some routes today and

120
00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,800
Speaker 1: looked awesome. So that was just kind of a fun thing.

121
00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:08,320
Speaker 1: You got a two way player here, and it was

122
00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,760
Speaker 1: great that they gave him an opportunity to cover the

123
00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:12,520
Speaker 1: tight ends and that he'd come over after that rep

124
00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,480
Speaker 1: and run routes against the cornerbacks and the safeties, which

125
00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,120
Speaker 1: was which was pretty cool. So that was kind of fun.

126
00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,960
Speaker 2: You sent me a text about him a like one

127
00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:20,520
Speaker 2: in the morning.

128
00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:21,680
Speaker 1: I did it, and you're like.

129
00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:26,560
Speaker 2: Dude, check out this safety's half back highlights. Yes, and

130
00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:31,120
Speaker 2: my question is, like he's so good at both Yeah,

131
00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:33,720
Speaker 2: what do you do with a guy like him? Because

132
00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:37,640
Speaker 2: he says safety on everything here. Yeah, but like that's

133
00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,920
Speaker 2: like a high school thing to be like an quote

134
00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,400
Speaker 2: unquote you're just an athlete and you play everywhere. Like

135
00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,160
Speaker 2: what is an How does an NFL team evaluate him?

136
00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:48,200
Speaker 2: What do you play him at?

137
00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,200
Speaker 1: That's a great question because he's he is really good

138
00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,080
Speaker 1: at safety. Again, not the best tackler in the whole world,

139
00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,039
Speaker 1: but dynamic near the line of scrimmage, really good blitzer.

140
00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,400
Speaker 1: His coverage stuff is awesome. He's got his work and

141
00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,520
Speaker 1: his acceleration are are just that elite. You know, we

142
00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,640
Speaker 1: talk about superpowers. That's his superpower. And so you're like,

143
00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:08,520
Speaker 1: he's a he's pretty good safety. He's a pretty good

144
00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:10,160
Speaker 1: safety because he's such a good coverage player and he's

145
00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:11,680
Speaker 1: and he's good, but he's a good blitzer attacking line

146
00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,080
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. Again, the tackling leaves something can be desired.

147
00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,200
Speaker 1: When you watch his running back stuff, like I think

148
00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,800
Speaker 1: I sent this to you. He reminds me of like

149
00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:20,840
Speaker 1: and this is I know, a very gaudy comp for

150
00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,160
Speaker 1: a guy that plays safety, but he reminds me of

151
00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,279
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey. Like his ability to run a choice route,

152
00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:28,600
Speaker 1: to put his foot in the ground, to change direction,

153
00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,160
Speaker 1: to beat linebackers on wheel routes. So to me, that's

154
00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,080
Speaker 1: like such a valuable skill And the way he catches

155
00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,360
Speaker 1: the football, he catches the football at a really high level too,

156
00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,800
Speaker 1: So that's such a valuable skill set. Like for me,

157
00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:39,679
Speaker 1: I'm like, if you have him in the room, especially

158
00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,200
Speaker 1: with how important offensive football is on third down, I'm

159
00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,440
Speaker 1: pretty sure if you have an innovative offensive coach, you

160
00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,120
Speaker 1: could give him a package be like, hey, man, these

161
00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,080
Speaker 1: are our third down plays this week. Let's make sure

162
00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,279
Speaker 1: we're really dialed in on these. In addition to the defense,

163
00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,320
Speaker 1: And because he again he creates such a good mismatch

164
00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,440
Speaker 1: versus line he was he was guarded ay in the

165
00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:00,200
Speaker 1: slot as a receiver by a cornerback today and he

166
00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,159
Speaker 1: ran a choice route and he made the guy almost

167
00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,920
Speaker 1: fall down. And I just was like that as an

168
00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,080
Speaker 1: offensive player, maybe this is my bias. Is too valuable

169
00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,400
Speaker 1: not to find a way to utilize. And I hate

170
00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:12,320
Speaker 1: two way players in the NFL. I hate two way

171
00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,440
Speaker 1: players in college. I'm making an exception here because I

172
00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,720
Speaker 1: think he's that talented as a rout runner and as

173
00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:18,240
Speaker 1: a runner.

174
00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,200
Speaker 2: Is he the best running back at the Senior Bowl?

175
00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,840
Speaker 2: If he decided to be just that position?

176
00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,280
Speaker 1: That's where does he rank? That's question?

177
00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,960
Speaker 2: You have the USC guy Lloyd marsh On Marshall Lloyd

178
00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,480
Speaker 2: really good? So is he like right there with him?

179
00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,280
Speaker 2: Like how good are we talking? So make it Christian McCaffrey.

180
00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,280
Speaker 1: So I think the thing about him is he does

181
00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,200
Speaker 1: have this home run ability, right, He's got a home

182
00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,640
Speaker 1: run ability that Marshan Lloyd doesn't have. Marshll Lloyd's explosive,

183
00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,000
Speaker 1: he catches the football well, he is like the most

184
00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:48,440
Speaker 1: solid average running back here, Like he's excellent. But you know,

185
00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:53,760
Speaker 1: I like the opportunity for explosive plays that that Vaki provides.

186
00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:55,880
Speaker 1: And Vaky reminds me a lot of the New Hampshire

187
00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,120
Speaker 1: running back. His name escapes me at the moment, low

188
00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:00,560
Speaker 1: but I think is how you say is last name?

189
00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,520
Speaker 1: He is? Again, they're very very similar. Both guys kind

190
00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,000
Speaker 1: of built the same lowbs like two hundred and ten

191
00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,400
Speaker 1: pounds runs the choice well can beat you on a wheel?

192
00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,440
Speaker 1: To me, I kind of classify those guys together. But

193
00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,240
Speaker 1: the thing about Vaki is he's ten pounds heavier and

194
00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,320
Speaker 1: plays a little bit stronger. So I'm kind of like, yeah,

195
00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,360
Speaker 1: like if that's your best pass catching back here that

196
00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,160
Speaker 1: the loud guy from New Hampshire, who again is who

197
00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:26,960
Speaker 1: has had a really solid first day, very explosive. We

198
00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,480
Speaker 1: didn't talk about him yesterday, very explosive, but I think

199
00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,560
Speaker 1: Vaki is in that same category. And again, to have

200
00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,880
Speaker 1: your best pass catching back play safety also, I feel like,

201
00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,240
Speaker 1: especially in the twenty twenty two NFL, you got to

202
00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:40,720
Speaker 1: find a way to get that guy in the field.

203
00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,080
Speaker 1: So that's one housekeeping thing. Really excited about that. The

204
00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,200
Speaker 1: other things are kind of less exciting. They're kind of

205
00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:50,040
Speaker 1: sad actually. So Trevor Keegan, offensive guard from Michigan, had

206
00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,160
Speaker 1: a pretty solid day yesterday. I think is a He's

207
00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:53,800
Speaker 1: going to be a starting caliber guard in the NFL.

208
00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,400
Speaker 1: Got hurt yesterday, did not practice day in the first

209
00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,080
Speaker 1: in the first practice. That's kind of a bummer. Johnny Wilson,

210
00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,960
Speaker 1: he came out today for the second practice, and Jason,

211
00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:03,120
Speaker 1: I mean I think we said this while we were

212
00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:04,840
Speaker 1: watching him. He looked like he was ready to have

213
00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,199
Speaker 1: a fantastic day. Came out and was uncoverable in one

214
00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,200
Speaker 1: on ones, did a great job and then something happened.

215
00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:13,400
Speaker 1: He was kind of pointing to his ribs. He was

216
00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:14,839
Speaker 1: pointing to his ribs yester day, so it might have

217
00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:16,360
Speaker 1: been a pre existing injury. I know that's something he

218
00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:17,800
Speaker 1: had from the season, so I don't know if it's

219
00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,120
Speaker 1: fully cleared up. And basically they took him in the

220
00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,360
Speaker 1: locker room after one on ones. He was doing some

221
00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,720
Speaker 1: special team stuff that we were kind of making fun

222
00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,000
Speaker 1: of him because he didn't participate in it, but apparently

223
00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,920
Speaker 1: he's neil deal with an injury when the locker room. Really,

224
00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,240
Speaker 1: probably one of my biggest bummers is that, because I

225
00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,280
Speaker 1: really want was he kind of was felt like he

226
00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,120
Speaker 1: was ready for a big day didn't happen. And then

227
00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:42,520
Speaker 1: Jackson Berman Berman There we Go is also out with

228
00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,080
Speaker 1: an ankle injury. So anytime people get hurt at the

229
00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,440
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, it's always kind of a bummer because they're there,

230
00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,920
Speaker 1: especially the guys that were playing well, like Johnny has

231
00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,800
Speaker 1: had a good start to the day, Trevor Keegan yesterday

232
00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,400
Speaker 1: looked like again a starting caliber guard. So that's always

233
00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,520
Speaker 1: kind of a bummer when those guys get hurt and

234
00:09:58,559 --> 00:09:59,240
Speaker 1: have to leave the field.

235
00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,280
Speaker 2: I hope that they get healthy we'll be at the combine.

236
00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:06,480
Speaker 2: Hope to see them there completely healthy, especially Wilson. I

237
00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,880
Speaker 2: really want to see him because.

238
00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,840
Speaker 1: When he does stuff, when he does stuff, it's like

239
00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:13,200
Speaker 1: like he ran a route today. And I know we're

240
00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:14,360
Speaker 1: not going to talk about this too much because I

241
00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,640
Speaker 1: don't want to overvalue, you know, five to one on ones.

242
00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,960
Speaker 1: But for a man who's six six two forty and

243
00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:21,840
Speaker 1: with thirty five inch arms, he ran a route, an

244
00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,640
Speaker 1: out route from the slot, gave a false acceleration, like

245
00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,960
Speaker 1: a false indicator, the dB stopped his feet, he reburst

246
00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,320
Speaker 1: the dB, the dB opened his hips, and then he

247
00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,520
Speaker 1: just did another you know, ninety degree cut and caught

248
00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:35,440
Speaker 1: the ball like effortlessly. And for a man of that

249
00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,080
Speaker 1: size to have that kind of route running acumen in

250
00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:43,040
Speaker 1: his bag is pretty special. So you want to I

251
00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,679
Speaker 1: want to see special, freaky guys. And so it's unfortunate

252
00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,120
Speaker 1: that he's out so in some ways stock down for

253
00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:49,320
Speaker 1: us because we don't get to see him.

254
00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you and Trevor talk about him later the

255
00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,600
Speaker 2: interview and talk about that body type and how NFL

256
00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,360
Speaker 2: teams could use him, how Washington could use him, So

257
00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:58,160
Speaker 2: stick around for that.

258
00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and probably out of tight end. But we'll

259
00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,000
Speaker 1: talk about that more with Trevor Sikama. So let's start

260
00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,160
Speaker 1: with stock up, right, So we were talking about receivers,

261
00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,880
Speaker 1: and really the receivers in this, in this any practice.

262
00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,120
Speaker 1: You know, mconklely, you know, name your guy if you

263
00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:15,960
Speaker 1: if you're a fan of a guy, name a guy, Jason,

264
00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,199
Speaker 1: you got a guy you're a fan of. Jamary Thrash,

265
00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,559
Speaker 1: great today, awesome, look great today. They're all a little

266
00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:26,000
Speaker 1: bit on the small side, right, so you know outside

267
00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,520
Speaker 1: of uh, you know, Johnny Wilson's big guy, but you know,

268
00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,280
Speaker 1: Jakwan Jackson, small guy, excellent, Jamari Thrats had an excellent

269
00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:36,559
Speaker 1: day today. Lad mcconchney, small guy, excellent football player, Ricky

270
00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,080
Speaker 1: Piersaw a little bit bigger, right but still kind of

271
00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,800
Speaker 1: a slot guy. Jacob Cowing very small, Roman Wilson very small,

272
00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:47,760
Speaker 1: very fast. And then obviously you've got uh, you know, uh,

273
00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:52,960
Speaker 1: I forgot this guy Malachi Corley, who's also a small guy,

274
00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:57,280
Speaker 1: very explosive, kind of debo Deebo Samuelius. But the problem

275
00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:01,000
Speaker 1: is is as evaluators for the commanders were like, they

276
00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:02,960
Speaker 1: all kind of feel like receivers. We already have on

277
00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:03,959
Speaker 1: the roster, you know, like.

278
00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing when watching them, they look so

279
00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,480
Speaker 2: good and then you sit back and you go, but

280
00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,240
Speaker 2: you have John Yeah it was also really good.

281
00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Terry also and they're all kind of built

282
00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,240
Speaker 1: in that same mold. So we were kind of thinking, like, well,

283
00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:19,680
Speaker 1: what do you want and you want to kind of

284
00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,200
Speaker 1: build that basketball team. And so a guy that stuck

285
00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,000
Speaker 1: out today, you know, had a tough day yesterday. But

286
00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,840
Speaker 1: a guy that suck out today was xavierly Get from

287
00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:31,000
Speaker 1: South Carolina and he just is built bigger than everybody

288
00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,160
Speaker 1: out there. Like him and Johnny Wilson were standing next

289
00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,319
Speaker 1: to each other, and he looks like a linebacker next

290
00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,120
Speaker 1: to Johnny Wilson, who looks like this angular basketball player

291
00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,400
Speaker 1: type guy. And I just think like his physicality, his explosiveness,

292
00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,480
Speaker 1: and so yesterday were worried because he never was in

293
00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,120
Speaker 1: sync with the quarterback. But Spencer Ratler had a little

294
00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,520
Speaker 1: bit better day today, got some balls completed and looked like,

295
00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,319
Speaker 1: look like that guy could potentially that could be the

296
00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,760
Speaker 1: kind of that explosive, more physical, contested catch guy. Not

297
00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,680
Speaker 1: the most polished route runner of all time, but again

298
00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:04,280
Speaker 1: got a lot of horsepower in that engine. Think like

299
00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,160
Speaker 1: DK Metcalf and AJ Brown's body, Like, that's what you're

300
00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,439
Speaker 1: kind of thinking there, right, just a ton of horsepower,

301
00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,160
Speaker 1: not always going in the right direction. You know. Maybe

302
00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:14,280
Speaker 1: his breaks don't work really we all the time, but

303
00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,120
Speaker 1: I actually saw some really good snapdowns today and he

304
00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,199
Speaker 1: just is a big, physical dude that gets you excited.

305
00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,480
Speaker 1: The other guy that I think just as an honorary

306
00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,440
Speaker 1: mentioned for this kind of stock up segment is Javon

307
00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:29,120
Speaker 1: Baker from Central Florida, and he is just one of

308
00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:34,720
Speaker 1: the most shifty route runners, most savvy route runners, makes

309
00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,480
Speaker 1: guys look silly, makes contested catches, catches the ball away

310
00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,200
Speaker 1: from his body. He feels like he's six ' one,

311
00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,800
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifteen, bigger guy, you know. But he

312
00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,480
Speaker 1: creates great separation with awesome routes. And so those two

313
00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,320
Speaker 1: guys kind of stuck out his guys. That stock just

314
00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,640
Speaker 1: keeps going up every day. And we're not talking about

315
00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,520
Speaker 1: Brendan Rice here, because Brendan Rice is I think everyone

316
00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:55,000
Speaker 1: knows who he is, has been very consistent in the

317
00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,120
Speaker 1: first two days. And devontees Walker. I think these guys

318
00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,679
Speaker 1: are just a little bit more like it gets a

319
00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,440
Speaker 1: little bit more physical and Javon Baker runs better route.

320
00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,040
Speaker 1: So that's why those guys are on the list as

321
00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:06,200
Speaker 1: opposed to those other guys.

322
00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,559
Speaker 2: What keeps sticking out is how good this wide receiver class.

323
00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,640
Speaker 2: I mean, it looks like you could close your eyes

324
00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:14,640
Speaker 2: throw a dart and you're gonna you could hit right,

325
00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,640
Speaker 2: a really really good wide receiver so deep. And we're

326
00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:22,080
Speaker 2: not even talking about you know, the Marvin Harrison's the

327
00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:25,840
Speaker 2: elite neighbors, right, these guys Romo Dunes who are not here,

328
00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:30,280
Speaker 2: and they're like they're incredible too. Yeah, just in a

329
00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:34,360
Speaker 2: really deep wide receiver class. Which how does that make

330
00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,880
Speaker 2: evaluating CBS CB?

331
00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:39,680
Speaker 1: So that's kind of a really interesting talking point too,

332
00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,520
Speaker 1: because in the first in the first practice today, so

333
00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:46,160
Speaker 1: I guess what is that? That's the that's that's the national,

334
00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:50,080
Speaker 1: national national scene. Right in one on ones, a ball

335
00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,360
Speaker 1: like didn't hit the ground for the longest time. And

336
00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:57,240
Speaker 1: so then all of a sudden, like Hartman the corner

337
00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:00,239
Speaker 1: from Notre Dame, who six three, two hundred and five pounds,

338
00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,280
Speaker 1: Cam Hart, Cam Hart, excuse me, gets the interception and

339
00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,800
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, like, how did that happen? And you

340
00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,200
Speaker 1: see him be physical with vontees Walker at the line

341
00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,080
Speaker 1: of scrimmage and run the route for him, You're like, great,

342
00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:15,200
Speaker 1: And then you kind of say, oh, what about Mitchell

343
00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,440
Speaker 1: the guy from Where's he from Toledo? And he's in

344
00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,880
Speaker 1: these contested cat situations. He's knocking the ball out of

345
00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,520
Speaker 1: people's hands. And you say, even though these receivers are

346
00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,840
Speaker 1: running routes, it's such a high level. Those guys have

347
00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,200
Speaker 1: flashed from a competitive standpoint in a way that other

348
00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,680
Speaker 1: guys haven't. So I think that's where like I would,

349
00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:34,400
Speaker 1: I would say, those guys are stocked up. But they've

350
00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,000
Speaker 1: been good both days, so they're not you know, they're

351
00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,240
Speaker 1: they're if you're looking for dB info, like, those guys

352
00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,760
Speaker 1: have been good both days and they stood out. So yes,

353
00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:44,760
Speaker 1: But in terms of in terms of what you're like,

354
00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,000
Speaker 1: maybe this is your point in terms of guys that

355
00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,720
Speaker 1: have been stocked down in this situation. A guy that's

356
00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:55,640
Speaker 1: really struggled is Kiln King from Penn State, and he is, uh,

357
00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:57,680
Speaker 1: he just he just looks at it out of water

358
00:15:57,760 --> 00:15:59,280
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, kind of no matter who

359
00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,520
Speaker 1: he's going against, no matter who the style is, he's

360
00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:04,800
Speaker 1: got there's a ton of space, you know, kind of

361
00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:11,560
Speaker 1: like those other guys Heart and Mitchell. There everything's contested,

362
00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:13,760
Speaker 1: they're they're fighting for every inch. And then when King's

363
00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,800
Speaker 1: up there there's a ton of space. He's stumbling over

364
00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,200
Speaker 1: his feet. He doesn't have the speed to get down

365
00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,120
Speaker 1: the field. He just looks really looks really out of water.

366
00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,240
Speaker 1: And so that's why to me, he just looks, you know,

367
00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,400
Speaker 1: like again stock down over the last two days. And

368
00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:27,640
Speaker 1: you know, he was a guy that was talked about

369
00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,840
Speaker 1: last year, is potentially being a first round pick this year.

370
00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:32,360
Speaker 1: He regress a little bit, and I think you're seeing

371
00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,120
Speaker 1: him struggle a little bit at the at the Senior

372
00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,000
Speaker 1: Bowl end. I had a coach tell me one time,

373
00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:40,480
Speaker 1: never over overvalue a Senior Bowl week compared to the film.

374
00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,640
Speaker 1: But for me, after seeing this kind of performance here,

375
00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:45,920
Speaker 1: it's really hard for me to be like, you know,

376
00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,720
Speaker 1: maybe the film is something different than I saw, because

377
00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:50,520
Speaker 1: I feel like this is a really good representation of

378
00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:50,960
Speaker 1: who he is.

379
00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,400
Speaker 2: Right, So I'm scared to give analysis. But you know,

380
00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:54,120
Speaker 2: I'm at Penn State.

381
00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:55,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, will you watch a lot of Penn Stakes.

382
00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:59,200
Speaker 2: I watch every Penn State game married into that, and

383
00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:04,159
Speaker 2: but he he's good, right, Like I like him. I

384
00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,320
Speaker 2: told you that I like him. The thing that he

385
00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,119
Speaker 2: hadded trouble with just as a guy watching it right,

386
00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:14,720
Speaker 2: just Jack Jason watching on Saturdays, was he was physical. Yeah,

387
00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,120
Speaker 2: I was instinctive, did not have that top ends.

388
00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:18,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you see that here, Yeah.

389
00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,040
Speaker 2: And that's it sticks out right like the first I

390
00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:25,000
Speaker 2: would say, five to ten yards, he's right up on guys.

391
00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,359
Speaker 2: That separation is quite there, and then there's a cut,

392
00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,679
Speaker 2: there's a foot in the ground with a receiver that

393
00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,199
Speaker 2: top end speed gets going and he's just he just

394
00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:33,840
Speaker 2: falls behind.

395
00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:35,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. So you know, as much as everyone there's been

396
00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,119
Speaker 1: a lot of optimism around around the Senior Bowl. You know,

397
00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:39,679
Speaker 1: there's a lot of good football players. There are our

398
00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,160
Speaker 1: guys that haven't quite looked the part. And I'd say

399
00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:43,520
Speaker 1: he's he's one of them.

400
00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,720
Speaker 2: But let's do another he turns it around tomorrow. I'm

401
00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:46,280
Speaker 2: a big fan of his.

402
00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's another day, that another opportunity, and

403
00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:50,520
Speaker 1: we want those guys to do well because it makes

404
00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:52,440
Speaker 1: more it's more fun to talk about guys that too well. Sorry,

405
00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,000
Speaker 1: listen to talk another stock up guy and this guy's

406
00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,760
Speaker 1: stock I mean, there's certain guys stocks that are up,

407
00:17:57,880 --> 00:17:59,960
Speaker 1: and then there's guys stocks that are kind of like

408
00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,160
Speaker 1: through the roof. And I feel like Darius Robinson from Missouri.

409
00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,600
Speaker 1: We talked about him a little yesterday. I mean, he

410
00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,960
Speaker 1: had another fantastic day to day. When I look at

411
00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:10,919
Speaker 1: him and I think about a player that comps him,

412
00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,679
Speaker 1: I'm thinking Zadarius Smith. And if you and for me

413
00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,679
Speaker 1: to see that, his ability to win inside, his ability

414
00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:18,600
Speaker 1: to rush with power on the outside, his ability to

415
00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:22,320
Speaker 1: play the run physically, He's he's an NFL starting player

416
00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,880
Speaker 1: right now, and he plays hard, he plays physical, and

417
00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:27,760
Speaker 1: I think he just deserves a ton of credit because

418
00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:28,960
Speaker 1: he was on a guy like I remember I was

419
00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,199
Speaker 1: talking to some people. I think Jim Nagy was on

420
00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,040
Speaker 1: our podcast, my other podcast that I do, and he

421
00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,280
Speaker 1: was like, oh, he's probably a third round pick. And

422
00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:39,720
Speaker 1: now I'd say emphatically, he's a first. He's a high second,

423
00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,159
Speaker 1: maybe high second to like mid first round pick all

424
00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,159
Speaker 1: of a sudden, just because of how physical and how

425
00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,480
Speaker 1: dominant he's looked here. So I'm really happy for him.

426
00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,400
Speaker 1: And then we wanted to give a couple of honorable mentions,

427
00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:53,959
Speaker 1: and really, on the inside, I'm sorry Keilan Marshall from

428
00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,520
Speaker 1: Eastern Kentucky or Western not Western Western Michigan, excuse me,

429
00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,560
Speaker 1: Eastern Kentucky. That was a weird deal. Is another guy

430
00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,000
Speaker 1: that I think has kind of in that second round

431
00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,760
Speaker 1: range for the Commanders, played very physical football, starting to

432
00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:07,840
Speaker 1: come to life. Big body. Give him a shout out,

433
00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,960
Speaker 1: and then the whole d line defensive tackle for the

434
00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:14,800
Speaker 1: national team, like your guy, Devandre Sweat has looked the

435
00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:20,760
Speaker 1: part in every aspect. Big guy moves well physical, like

436
00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,479
Speaker 1: he bent some guy over today in a way that

437
00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,680
Speaker 1: you don't see very often. Like usually when you're sitting

438
00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,760
Speaker 1: a bowl, you kind of get your hands underneath and

439
00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,640
Speaker 1: you can kind of uproot the player's momentum and kind

440
00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,520
Speaker 1: of hop to stop and it just didn't happen. And

441
00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:36,040
Speaker 1: I've never very rarely do you see this, And like

442
00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,080
Speaker 1: in my time playing, I've probably saw it one time.

443
00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,040
Speaker 1: And then today he just got folded completely in half

444
00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:41,720
Speaker 1: and the.

445
00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,080
Speaker 2: Guy looks like his lower back hurts breaks.

446
00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy. It was a crazy clip, but he's

447
00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,679
Speaker 1: been doing that every single day. And then McKinley Jackson,

448
00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:53,200
Speaker 1: the other kind of interior player there, has been awesome

449
00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,840
Speaker 1: like with him They're just so explosive, they're so big,

450
00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:57,640
Speaker 1: and just to get two guys on the same team

451
00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,679
Speaker 1: is crazy. And then Brendan Fisk from Florida State is

452
00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,800
Speaker 1: a number fifty five. He just flashes and the thing

453
00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:08,320
Speaker 1: you love about him is his deposition plays defensive tackle.

454
00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:10,040
Speaker 1: All three of these guys play defensive tackle. And I

455
00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,000
Speaker 1: know these are commander at centric needs, which is why

456
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:16,240
Speaker 1: we highlighted Darius Robinson and Kilan marsh Marshawn's the honorable

457
00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,600
Speaker 1: mention there, but these guys, they just they've been playing

458
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:19,920
Speaker 1: too good not to give him a shout out on

459
00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,920
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the football. And Fisk is the energizer,

460
00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,840
Speaker 1: Bunny just relentless in his pass rush. McKinley and Sweat

461
00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,240
Speaker 1: are just big, physical dudes that are very unique.

462
00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,680
Speaker 2: So before we move on, I'm going to drop something

463
00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,679
Speaker 2: on you. Prepare for it. I like doing this on podcasts,

464
00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,199
Speaker 2: So get it wrong from you.

465
00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right?

466
00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:42,199
Speaker 2: So who is somebody that you're buying stock on?

467
00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:43,120
Speaker 1: Right?

468
00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,120
Speaker 2: So buying low you think they're going to take off,

469
00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,000
Speaker 2: whether from here till the draft, they're going to take

470
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,200
Speaker 2: off under the radar, Buying.

471
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,920
Speaker 1: Low, Buying low by low well, I feel weird because

472
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,520
Speaker 1: I had Darius Robinson high in our little sheet that

473
00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,199
Speaker 1: we did. I bought him before this even happened. So

474
00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,520
Speaker 1: I was on the Darius Robinson train. And so now

475
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:03,840
Speaker 1: does that counterraft to buy someone? Now? No?

476
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:05,960
Speaker 2: Right now, right now? You got a little bit.

477
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,080
Speaker 1: You know, a little bit, Okay, I got I got

478
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 1: someone for you. Let me get the name real quick

479
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,919
Speaker 1: so I don't mess it up. It is that's on

480
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:13,879
Speaker 1: this sheet. There's two guys I'm gonna give you, okay.

481
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,320
Speaker 1: One is Miles Cole. Miles Cole today had an excellent

482
00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:21,560
Speaker 1: pass rush rep. Very very physical. Uh knocked you know,

483
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,919
Speaker 1: Christian Jones go down a guy that we were talking about.

484
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:29,000
Speaker 1: His physical traits, his explosiveness are so awesome to see.

485
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,879
Speaker 1: And I think he's a guy that can develop into

486
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 1: a more consistent varsity caliber NFL football player, which is

487
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,880
Speaker 1: something that you're looking for. The other guy is Ottasa

488
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 1: Isaac from Penn State. Yes, no one's really talking about

489
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 1: him like everyone talks about Chop And we talked about

490
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,360
Speaker 1: him with Trevor Sickahm and Trevor Sickohm likes him a lot.

491
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 1: But when you watch him, he's got some juice. He's

492
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 1: got some juice, he's got some power. He reminds me

493
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,919
Speaker 1: of like a poor man's Chris Braswell in this draft, right,

494
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,480
Speaker 1: So Chris Braswell, he's kind of in that late first,

495
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,359
Speaker 1: early second round, and I think Isaac's kind of right

496
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 1: in that same group. So I'm buying him.

497
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 2: I'm buying be a guy that the Commander's definitely target.

498
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,680
Speaker 1: And I think Miles Cole again, Miles Cole, I think

499
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 1: after this week he went from like a fourth round pick.

500
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 1: I think he'll probably be like a third round pick,

501
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 1: just to see because when you see him move around

502
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,160
Speaker 1: just like that's unique. And let's say tomorrow comes out

503
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 1: and is because he was okay the first day, he

504
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 1: was good today, let's say he's great tomorrow. I think

505
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,360
Speaker 1: you're talking about a guy again that by low he's

506
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,200
Speaker 1: going to test well at the combine. Both those guys

507
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 1: are So maybe those are the two guys you're looking

508
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,360
Speaker 1: at there in terms of stock up stock down type

509
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 1: of situations. Love it, yeah, and then so now we

510
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,880
Speaker 1: gotta just stock down, just kind of a bummer stock down.

511
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's not rag on him. We're just gonna be like,

512
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 2: you know it wasn't a great day.

513
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's just do that.

514
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:44,880
Speaker 2: Tomorrow will be better.

515
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 1: Brandon Coleman TCU. I had him as one of my

516
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 1: favorite guards. He played tackle in college move to guard,

517
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 1: is having a hard time at guard. Did a couple

518
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 1: things at tackle today, looked a little bit better, So

519
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 1: maybe he's just kind of figuring out the guard scenario.

520
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 1: But again, a guy that I had higher expectations for

521
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 1: and has not quite find his footing. But you know,

522
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 1: it's don't overreact to the Senior Bowl, right, So maybe

523
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 1: that's a good opportunity for him.

524
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, yesterday we were saying that the quarterback

525
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:11,400
Speaker 2: play wasn't up the par.

526
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 1: For They played a lot better and played.

527
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 2: A lot better today. So yeah, it's these are it's

528
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 2: less of the stock is going down and we don't

529
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,719
Speaker 2: want to see these guys anymore. It's like we just

530
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 2: wasn't a great day.

531
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:22,159
Speaker 1: We want it.

532
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:22,679
Speaker 2: We're rooting for.

533
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 1: Him to tomorrow, that's all. And so and then for

534
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,160
Speaker 1: offensive lineman stock upstock down again?

535
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 2: Uh.

536
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 1: Del Mar Glaize from Maryland is a guy that I

537
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 1: liked coming in kind of in the same category at

538
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 1: least in my listings as Christian Jones, and so both

539
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 1: those guys are doing a good job. Christian Jones came

540
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 1: down a little bit like first day, Christian Jones was

541
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 1: the best offensive lineman here. Today's down a little bit,

542
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 1: probably more in that like kind of B plus kind

543
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 1: of range as opposed to A plus. So still doing

544
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 1: good job, just not doing excellent. And then I think

545
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 1: del Mar Glaize went from probably like a B minus

546
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 1: to a B plus a minus type of range today.

547
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 1: Just very consistent, played a little bit of guard, matches

548
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: up well with pass rushers, and you know, it's just

549
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 1: good to see big men who are technically sound, who've

550
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: played a lot of football that could come into the

551
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 1: Commander's organization and I think to make some waves in

552
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 1: terms of helping out the offensive line rotation. And another guy

553
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: honorable mention is Jeremy Flax from Kentucky. Biggest heaviest player here.

554
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 1: He's three hundred and sixty pounds, and when you see

555
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: that number on a sheet, your expectation is that they're

556
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 1: gonna be slow, they're gonna be kind of plotting. He's

557
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,360
Speaker 1: got excellent feet, I think, also has some guard flexibility

558
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 1: and has had a really solid day, like again some

559
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: powerful guys like I mentioned Miles Cole. Miles Cole tried

560
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 1: to bowl rush them the day after bull rushing Christian

561
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: Jones and he's just like, I'm through sixty, bro, Like,

562
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: come on, what are we doing here? And so it's

563
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 1: cool to see guys that I guess I wasn't aware

564
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 1: of really coming in and having a good day. So

565
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,239
Speaker 1: both those guys stock up and I don't know if

566
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 1: they're second round guys. They're probably more third round guys,

567
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 1: but maybe third and fourth, but another solid day. You

568
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 1: never know, Right, they come in and there and they're

569
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: really productive and they're making themselves a ton of money,

570
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: which is always exciting. So ill stock down. Huh, stock down.

571
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 2: Got to do it?

572
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: Stock down. And this one is kind of tough. So

573
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: it's kind of two players that they're slashed, and they're

574
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: slash for different reasons. One is Jahem Bell, and I

575
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 1: liked Jeem Bell's film a lot because I felt like

576
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 1: he was an explosive playmaker, even though that he didn't

577
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: have your traditional measurables, like for the tight end position.

578
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: He's the tight en out of Florida State. He's six

579
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 1: to one. He measured in at six to one. He

580
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 1: was listed at sixty to three, measured in at six

581
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: to one. He's two hundred and forty four pounds. So

582
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: that extra two inches that he lost in terms of

583
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: way in from what he's listed at Florida Slate State.

584
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 1: I think that hurts him a little bit. And then

585
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: I was expecting him to come in and be almost

586
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. I think my combat gave you was like,

587
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: he reminds me of Deebo Samuel's watching his college stuff,

588
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: and we just haven't seen that kind of athlete. He's

589
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: been good for a tight end. He runs well, hasn't

590
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: caught the ball super effectively. The breaks and the cuts

591
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,959
Speaker 1: that you saw from college haven't been here, you know,

592
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: And so he doesn't have that elite for power ability

593
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 1: to create separation the way that I thought he would.

594
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: And he's not going to compete in line because he's

595
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: not big enough.

596
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 2: So do you feel like for guys like that, if

597
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 2: they go to the combine and put up good numbers,

598
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 2: that that will give people maybe like, oh well there's

599
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 2: something here. Absolutely saw it in college. It's not happening

600
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 2: in the Senior Bowl. But then look at his combine numbers,

601
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 2: So like how much does the combine and those measurements

602
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 2: and those forty times those shuttles like doing with that?

603
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 2: Can that erase what you see here?

604
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 1: Sometimes? Yeah, So, like I think a good example of

605
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: this is Jared Wiley. Jared Wiley's having a very good

606
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,199
Speaker 1: week at tight end. And the only reason I'm comparing

607
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: him is because they're in the same class, right, They're

608
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 1: in the same group. And so Jared Wiley's had a

609
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 1: great week. He's been very physical, He's cut the ball well,

610
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: he's caught the ball about the same as Bell, big

611
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: guy ads in the run game, ads in the past game,

612
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: win win, right. The thing with Bell is he needs

613
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: to add a copious amount of value in the passing

614
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 1: game because he's not going to add in the run

615
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: game the same way Jared does. So when Jared goes

616
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: to the combine, he could run a probably like a

617
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: high four to six, low four seven. You're so like,

618
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: that guy is a value add at the tight end position.

619
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: Right then you look at Jeremiah Bell. He's got to

620
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: run like a four to four, you know, like like

621
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: really low four five four four forty times to kind

622
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: of get people to a raise, because then that's an

623
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: athlete you can work with and you can win with.

624
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: I'm not sure after watching him here he's going to

625
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: run that faste. So what is his role now? And

626
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: what does he do well for you? Is he a fullback?

627
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: Is he an h back? What's that role look like

628
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: for you? So that's why it's tough for him, and

629
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 1: it's and it's not through his effort, because I think

630
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: he's been fine here. He's worked hard, he's been you

631
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: can tell he's got great energy of practice. It's just

632
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 1: like the problem is where do you use him as

633
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: a football player, And it's very unclear and in the

634
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: NFL does not do well categorizing undefined players. And the

635
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 1: other guy for me, and again, he's hurt. So I

636
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,719
Speaker 1: don't want to like kill him too bad as Johnny Wilson,

637
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 1: because I think we talked about yesterday. His it's not

638
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: his on field stuff, it's his off field demeanor. It's

639
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: like how he walks around in between drills. I want

640
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,719
Speaker 1: guys that are energetic and excited about being here. And

641
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm a little like, I don't know you know

642
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I don't know how much you love football.

643
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: So that's a hard thing to kind of quantify. But

644
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: he's hurt, so maybe was it feeling good?

645
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna push back just a little bit

646
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 2: because to be fair, we were, like you said, today,

647
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 2: we saw like there was a little drill going on

648
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 2: with DB's and wide receivers.

649
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: So they're doing it's a pun, it's a punt, it's

650
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: a vice drill, right, And so a vice drill, like

651
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: if I'm if I'm a scout, I go stand near

652
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: the vice drill and it's one of the in my opinion,

653
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: one of the best evaluation.

654
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 2: Tools for just like football players, explain a vice drill

655
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 2: because we have people like this is audio forms, it's hard.

656
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: So a vice drill is basically simulating what you get

657
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: on a punt. So like on a punt, you have

658
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: a usually yeah, a single side on a gunner, and

659
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: then you have a double team on one side. And

660
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: if you want to know who loves football, like watch

661
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: somebody get double team on a punt. Like that is

662
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: a come to God moment, like you have to it's

663
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: you versus them, and you're fighting for your life. And

664
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: if you show any type of physicality or aptitude for that,

665
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna bet on you as a football player.

666
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: And so for example, Ryan from Southern Missouri, the guy

667
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: that we've been talking about over the last couple days,

668
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: he wins his rep. You know, so he's a guy

669
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: who's been catching the football consistently and wins his rep.

670
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: Other guys get up there, thrash gets thrown out. The

671
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: club doesn't have that same physicality, And so I want

672
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: to see dudes come in there and compete in like

673
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: kind of a no win situation and see what you

674
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:35,959
Speaker 1: get out of it.

675
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, you're it's it's evaluating the dog in them.

676
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: That's a great way to put it. You're evaluating the dog.

677
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: So we're sitting there and Johnny Wilson's turn comes up

678
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: and he kind of takes a step back, and it's

679
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: and so we were getting really I would.

680
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: See him kind of like floating around, yes, and never

681
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 2: quite stepping up. So we're like, this dude wants no

682
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 2: part of this room.

683
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: Yes, And that kind of was like how he was yesterday.

684
00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: And you know, yesterday's talking to the trader. He's like

685
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: pointing new his ribs and they're talking through it, and

686
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:03,959
Speaker 1: again he goes to the locker room. So I'm going

687
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: to give him the benefit of the doubt, right.

688
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 2: But it could have just been like, yeah, his ribs.

689
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: He was like, I'm not I'm not gonna yeah, I'm

690
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 2: trying to make money here, correct, I'm not gonna put

691
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 2: that on the line. So we were ragging on him

692
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: in the moment. Then when we saw the rib thing,

693
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 2: We're like, I hope he gets better. I hope we

694
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 2: see him do that drill.

695
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I want to see because again and maybe

696
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: that's me selfishly as a talent evaluator, because I want

697
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: to see. I want to see that dog. Do you

698
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: got it? Are you willing? Like xavierly Get did the

699
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: drill probably four or five times. He was blocking as

700
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: the double vice guy. He was trying to get through

701
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: the vice. That's a guy who loves football. And he started, Yeah,

702
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: it was getting in there and he starts and he

703
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: started his career as a special teams guy, so like

704
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: he sees the value of it. And and I and again,

705
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,719
Speaker 1: if this is for all you kind of pseudo scouts

706
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: out there, it's what those guys, the receivers, the dbs

707
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: do that is not required for the position. How do

708
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: they tackle? How do they block? And this was a

709
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: great opportunity for him to be like, for everybody to

710
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: be like, I'm that dude, I'm not afraid, and he

711
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: didn't have the opportunity, probably because of the injuries. So again,

712
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: we're not killing him, but that was the point that

713
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: was a talking point for today. So I think that's

714
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: going to do it right, Jason.

715
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 2: For the stock up and stock down, I think so, right,

716
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 2: and we read to get to the guy that does

717
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 2: the NFL stock Guy with Trevor.

718
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: Sikamau right, yeah, absolutely, all right.

719
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 2: So here's the interview with him. Enjoy it.

720
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: Right now, Welcome into the Ticket to the Draft. I'm

721
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: Logan Paulson here with a very very special guest. Today

722
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: we have Trevor Sikima, the lead draft analyst for PFF MAN.

723
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. What have you

724
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: thought of the first two days, day and a half

725
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: of the Suna Bowl.

726
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 3: Man, it's been it's been great.

727
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 4: I mean, going into this week, I looked at this

728
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 4: roster and just on paper, it was one of the

729
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 4: most talented rosters that I can remember at Senior Bowl

730
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 4: in a long long time, and it's definitely lived up

731
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 4: to the billing, I think, especially in the trenches, both teams,

732
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 4: the American team, the national team. You got guys battling,

733
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 4: And I think what I love the most about it

734
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 4: is sure certainly this is the case in the trenches,

735
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 4: but even on all the positions, they're really competitive, and

736
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 4: I think the coaches are doing a really good job

737
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 4: of making this a competitive event. They're all coming in

738
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 4: here and they know it's a job interview, right, they

739
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 4: know that everybody's watching them. Basically every single move that

740
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 4: they make is going to get broken down. But the

741
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 4: coaches need to do a good job, or the best

742
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 4: ones do, of reminding you, hey, it's still all about

743
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 4: just competing and having fun, and I think they're doing

744
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 4: a great job of that. When it comes to the

745
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 4: one on one pre periods and the competitive periods, you

746
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 4: know they're letting these guys. They'll be like, Okay, this person,

747
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 4: all right, who you want to go up against? And

748
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 4: then you know they're calling somebody out and so then

749
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 4: there's like a lot on the line, and it's good.

750
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 4: It's really good competition, really good camaraderie, and I think

751
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 4: we're getting the.

752
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 3: Most out of a really talented group here in Mobile.

753
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: Yes, so you said it's really talented, you know, for

754
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: people who aren't, you know, twenty four to seven draftnicks.

755
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: What about it makes it so talent? Is it? The

756
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: number of first round draft picks? Is that the number

757
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: of top one hundred picks? Like, how do you say

758
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: that this is a this is a solid senior world group.

759
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:50,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that anytime you're talking about an all

760
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 4: star event. Certainly this year it's been a little bit

761
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 4: different because it is the first time when underclassmen have

762
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 4: been able to come to all of these events. But

763
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 4: normally when you look at upperclassmhen you go, these are

764
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 4: guys who instead of foregoing, you know, some extra eligibility

765
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 4: to leave the draft early, they stayed in for whatever reason,

766
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 4: you know, scouts maybe didn't give him as high of

767
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 4: a grade. So it's not often that, I guess I

768
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 4: shouldn't say not often. It's not overwhelming that you get

769
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 4: a ton of first round picks here in this event.

770
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 4: Like sometimes you just don't really at these premium positions,

771
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 4: and this year, pass rusher, offensive tackle, we've even got

772
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 4: quarterbacks here, wide receivers, These guys that could be not

773
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 4: only those first round picks, but you mentioned top fifty,

774
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 4: top one hundred.

775
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 3: It's just littered with a lot of those guys, and

776
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 3: a lot of those top players are here.

777
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know the Commander drivers are picking at number two,

778
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: and I feel like we're pretty locked in at quarterback there.

779
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: You mentioned some of those top guys, you know, the

780
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: lat Too lat Toos, the Talasi Folaugas. Yeah, Tyler Guidens,

781
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: those guys that are kind of pushing themselves in the

782
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: first round. That's not as relevant for the Commanders we are,

783
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: you know, are picking up thirty five, picking at thirty eight.

784
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: Anybody out here today that you're like, man, that would

785
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: be excellent value. Let's say at edge rusher, offensive line, linebacker,

786
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: tight end, one of those positions. You're like, man, this

787
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: guy's really had an excellent couple of days here or

788
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: a day and a half.

789
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, linebacker and tight end. It's a little more tricky.

790
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 4: I mean, you've got some guys who have been able

791
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 4: to stand out. I think you know, Peyton Wilson, Fremenci stayed.

792
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: Maybe he's a tremendous he's a tremendous athlete.

793
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 3: He is.

794
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 4: He has a great athlete. He's unfortunately got an injury

795
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 4: history just because it's a violent game and he's played

796
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 4: a long time. But I mean he is healthy out here,

797
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 4: not wearing any kind of knee brace, is nothing like that,

798
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:20,439
Speaker 4: and so he's been flying around.

799
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: You you think, do you think he's a guy that

800
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: would be there at the top of the second or

801
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: is he more of a third round player because of

802
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: the injury. Yeah?

803
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 4: Probably, I think that he's probably more of a mid

804
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 4: round pick. I know NFL teams really like him for

805
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 4: what he's been able to do when he's on the field.

806
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 4: But to me, he's probably somebody who's, to be honest,

807
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 4: like closer to a.

808
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 3: Fourth round pick than a second or pick.

809
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 4: But you know, it's probably that sweet spot, maybe late

810
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 4: third round something like that, where you could probably see

811
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,919
Speaker 4: him come off the board. The two Notre Dame linebackers JT.

812
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 4: Bertrand Marius Leafau, I think that those guys have a

813
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 4: lot of potential. Played really well. I think Bertrand has

814
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 4: been a very good vocal leader.

815
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: Say he's everybody out, I really love it, and you'd love.

816
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 4: To see that like that is so important for that.

817
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, middle of that d you've got

818
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 4: to be able to communicate with everybody.

819
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 3: You can't be too shy about it.

820
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 4: And so when you see a guy who gets to

821
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 4: come out to these all star events and immediately has

822
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 4: the confidence to communicate, I mean it's important. It's a

823
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,959
Speaker 4: little thing that you note even outside of the play.

824
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 4: So you know, with those guys, maybe not those early

825
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 4: second round picks. And I think tight ends probably the

826
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 4: same way.

827
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: You know.

828
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 3: I like Theo Johnson from Penn State him. He's huge

829
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 3: first and foremost, I mean like.

830
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 4: He's six foot dude, He's like six foot six, you know,

831
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 4: two hundred and sixties pounds something like that, which.

832
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 3: Is surprisingly you need that.

833
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 4: And with him being a little bit bigger, you know,

834
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 4: he's not like a Jutavian Sanders or a brock Bowers,

835
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 4: these guys that can be potential top fifty picks. With

836
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 4: his fluidity, you know how quickly he can stop and

837
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 4: change direction. But when you look at a player who

838
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 4: is of his size, you go, Okay, when you play

839
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 4: in this slot where you play in line, you can

840
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 4: survive it, both because you've got the strength to be.

841
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 3: Able to do it.

842
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 4: But then that vertical ability you mentioned, the catching ability.

843
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 4: Something that I like about him is the huge catch ratings.

844
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 4: He's trying to be very conscious about making the most

845
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 4: of that, always extending the arms.

846
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 3: To go catch in so versatile player there. I think

847
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 3: he did. He's had a pretty good vent.

848
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: And the Commanders have a guy named John Baits, a

849
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: big blocking y kind of fits in the same role

850
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: as I'd say at THEO Johnson is there, kind of

851
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 1: a move piece and f a guy that kind of

852
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: creates mismatches again because you're like you're saying, this is

853
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: a very unusual tight end class. There's not there's the

854
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: peak very high, and then there's some very solid football players,

855
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: but nobody that kind of screams at you necessarily.

856
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 4: Jaheem Bell from the tight end Europe is somebody who

857
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 4: I was tight end air quotes there right well, and

858
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 4: that's the thing, right is is I mean when he

859
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 4: was in South Carolina, before he was at Florida State,

860
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 4: there were games where they didn't really have any running

861
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 4: back shot the injury, and this guy played running mat

862
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 4: like they'd handed They genuinely hand him the ball out

863
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 4: of the backfield from regular running back spots. And so

864
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 4: he's been used as a running back, a full back,

865
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 4: a wing back, an in line tight end, a slot receiver,

866
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 4: and so he is just a fantastic all around athlete.

867
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 4: You know, he's not as big, not as tall, not

868
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 4: as uh well, I don't want to, I don't want

869
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 4: to insult the strength here. Kind of probably he hears this,

870
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 4: but you know, he's just not as imposing as some

871
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 4: of these guys who have a little bit more mess

872
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 4: on him. But he's somebody who we saw yesterday ran

873
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 4: a beautiful corner route that Michael Bratt threw just right

874
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,720
Speaker 4: under him. And it's like that's the kind of stuff

875
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 4: that he can attack the leverages of safeties, you know,

876
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 4: if you're not playing if you're playing any sort of

877
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 4: cover too, he's somebody who can get to the sideline

878
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 4: before the safeties you're able to break down on you.

879
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 4: So he is somebody who you mentioned that kind of

880
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 4: move versatile tight end piece.

881
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 3: He'd be the guy that ever and.

882
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: Then Benson not. I mean, he's a guy that kind

883
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: of fits in a similar category, you know a little bit.

884
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, kind of again like kind of a

885
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: tweeterer in terms of does he play fullback? Does he

886
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: play f Yes, you have any thoughts on him?

887
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 3: It comes from a super athletic family.

888
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 4: I think I think I read he played eight sports

889
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 4: growing up. It's like hockey, basketball, baseball, football, golf, like

890
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 4: and it's just I think teams really like that.

891
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 3: I remember when I was at the Combine last.

892
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 4: Year, Pete Carroll made a point to emphasize, oh, we

893
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 4: always look for multi sport athletes growing up, because those

894
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 4: are often the ones where you could tell they're just

895
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 4: very naturally athletic and they love to compete no matter

896
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 4: what it is, like oh, okay, the game of football,

897
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 4: Yes they do. But even if it's something like tossing

898
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 4: paper in a trash like, okay, I want to beat

899
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 4: you at that too. And when you play a lot

900
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 4: of different sports, you have a lot of competitive juices

901
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 4: that are naturally kind of flowing through you. So so

902
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 4: not is that same kind of a player like Jahiem

903
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 4: Bell where you can use him in a lot of

904
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 4: different ways. Kansas State absolutely did this past year. And

905
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 4: so he's somebody who again comes a little bit smaller

906
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 4: of a size. You're probably not gonna want him to

907
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 4: line up as a tight end one in line next

908
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 4: to an offensive tackle going up against his strong five

909
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 4: tech defensive ends.

910
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 3: But in terms of a move piece, a chess piece that.

911
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 4: Might be a little annoying with their defence is like, okay,

912
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 4: well now we got to jump and we've got to

913
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 4: move around that.

914
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 3: That's somebody who kind of fits.

915
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: And our fans keep asking about a guy named Johnny Wilson,

916
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: the big Florida state wide receive that they do, and

917
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: you know, he's uh, He's an interesting guy to me

918
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: because I feel like he's not necessarily built to play

919
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: tight end, but he's got a receiving skill set. He

920
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: sinks his sipswall when he runs routes like could he

921
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: could he make the transition or is he just kind

922
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: of more of a big slot guy. How'd you categorize it?

923
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 4: I don't know, I know, I mean a lot of

924
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 4: people look at the size and naturally think, oh, okay,

925
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 4: get tight end because I just the way that he

926
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 4: has built.

927
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: You know.

928
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 4: I saw a picture of him standing next to you know,

929
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 4: you know, a normal human yesterday and read it out

930
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,879
Speaker 4: and I was like, this is football Victor Weminnon. That's

931
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,399
Speaker 4: how it looks like with him to stand out next

932
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 4: to somebody.

933
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 3: But you love the cat.

934
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 4: I mean when you talk about him versus other wide

935
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,439
Speaker 4: receivers that are in the NFL right now, height, weight,

936
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 4: arm length, wingspan, we're either ninety eighth or ninety nine.

937
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,959
Speaker 1: He's end. He's a huge man, and when you.

938
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 4: Change that to uh, when you change that over to

939
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 4: tight end, it goes. His weight goes all the way

940
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 4: down to the third percent time of tight ends.

941
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 3: He's just not built likely.

942
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 4: And so when people go, oh, just throw some extra

943
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 4: weight on him and have him played tight end, I

944
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 4: don't think it's that easy. I think he is more

945
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 4: of just if you want to call him a tight

946
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 4: end and play him mainly in the slot, fine, but

947
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 4: I just think he's more of an outside slot wide receiver.

948
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 3: He moves really well for a player of his size.

949
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 4: Something that I noted in his scouting report is he

950
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 4: has a Hey has a diverse set of releases as well.

951
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm watching you on the line of scrimmage

952
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 4: with like, you know, like one two releases, split releases,

953
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 4: diamond releases, Like he's setting guys up, he's attacking leverage. Really,

954
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 4: the only thing with him is it is a receiver's

955
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 4: job to not only get open to catch us bass,

956
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,919
Speaker 4: He's got to catch the football man. I mean, he's

957
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 4: just gotta be stronger at the catch point, and if

958
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:09,720
Speaker 4: he is, I think he could have a long NFL

959
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 4: career because of how unique he is built.

960
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like the way you characterize that stronger at

961
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: the catchpoint because I think his hands are fine, but

962
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 1: it's like it's like when there's those contested catch moments,

963
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: he doesn't really excel in those situations. But again, I

964
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,919
Speaker 1: agree with you, not a true tight end, but maybe

965
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: like a Mark Marcus Colston type guy, big slot player,

966
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: whatever whatever you're looking for there. But let's talk about

967
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: those SEGM round picks right those and I think we're

968
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: feeling maybe offensive line there. And there's like you're saying,

969
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys that are very talented, a

970
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: lot of guys that like when you when you look

971
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 1: at the look at the sheet, you know we're six seven,

972
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: we're three fifteen, and we've got thirty four in charms.

973
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: Anybody in that group, You're like, man, this would be

974
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 1: a great piece as an offensive tackle fitting in here

975
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 1: for the Washington Commanders.

976
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 3: Are you saying just in general or here the senior ball?

977
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: Here at the senior ball, I mean it's your call.

978
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: I mean, like you're the draft expert. I don't refer

979
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: to you, man, we can do both. Why don't we

980
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 1: pick one from here and one from whoever you had

981
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: on mind?

982
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 4: No, So, I mean, when I think of the offensive

983
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 4: tackles that have played really well here, Tyler and is

984
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 4: somebody that I think would have been a great pick

985
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 4: for them.

986
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 3: I don't know.

987
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: If he lasts to the second, it feels like he's

988
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: playing his way into.

989
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 4: The offensive tackle. I mean, he is another person who

990
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 4: is just highly competitive issue. I mean, every single rep

991
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 4: we talk about somebody who really wanted to go up

992
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 4: against the best. He was seeking out Chris Braswell, the

993
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 4: reacher from Alabama. And there was a point in practice

994
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 4: yesterday where they blew the whistle for the one on

995
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 4: one drill to end, and he was about to go

996
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 4: up against Braswell.

997
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: And he was like like he he was like pissedop

998
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 1: the rep.

999
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 4: But you know he had ended up getting that rep

1000
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 4: later in the practice and he actually got the better Brasswell.

1001
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 4: So he's somebody who I think is still kind of

1002
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 4: that fringe end of the first round, early part of

1003
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 4: the second round. He might be somebody that, hey, if

1004
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 4: Washington loves him, you have those extra second round picks

1005
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 4: us a little.

1006
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 3: Bit of ammo to go up and get him.

1007
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 4: I love Toulis a fuaga, but I mean he's not

1008
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 4: gonna he's not He's not gonna make it to the

1009
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 4: second round.

1010
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 3: Somebody who Okay, I'll.

1011
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 4: Throw this guy just about to say him at by

1012
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 4: you This is a form indeed. Yeah, So former five

1013
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 4: star recruit, just a really well built offensive tackle.

1014
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 3: But when you watch him over the last couple of years.

1015
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 4: Started his career at Oregon, ended it at BYU, he

1016
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 4: moves really well. He's super powerful, but I want to

1017
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 4: see him when he gets hands on guys. You've got

1018
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 4: to be able to lock guys down. Sometimes in college,

1019
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 4: these players who are just really physically gifted, they shove.

1020
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 4: They're like shovers where they'll stay in front of somebody

1021
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 4: and they'll give you a good push. But when you

1022
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 4: get locked up with somebody, if you don't really have

1023
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 4: the grip, strength and the hand placement to get inside

1024
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 4: and really control them. The best ed the pass rushers

1025
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 4: are even if you bump them off of their spot

1026
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 4: a little bit, they'll come back and give you a

1027
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 4: different pass rush. So you got to be better at that.

1028
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 4: And I think that's the next progression for Kingsley, who

1029
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 4: does have a lot of potential who I could absolutely

1030
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 4: see being a target for them at the beginning of

1031
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 4: the second round.

1032
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna throw some other names at you. We

1033
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: got Patrick Paul here from a frame standpoint, kind of

1034
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: fits that bill. We got Chris Johnson from Texas is

1035
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: at his name, you know, And then who's the gentleman

1036
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: from Missouri? Very tall? Yes, yeah, So those guys I

1037
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: kind of I don't know where you feel. Yeah, they are,

1038
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:02,919
Speaker 1: but I feel like if they have a good week here,

1039
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: we could be talking about them in that range.

1040
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 4: Still, Paul is somebody who I could definitely see early

1041
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 4: second round consideration for him, just because he is six

1042
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 4: foot seven. He's massive, and what I like a lot

1043
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 4: about Patrick Paul is I watched his tape two years

1044
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 4: ago and he graded really well in our system even

1045
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 4: two years ago, certainly as a passblocker. But I watched him,

1046
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 4: I was like, m I don't know, man, I mean,

1047
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 4: he was very top heavy.

1048
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 1: He's very technically wrong.

1049
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,919
Speaker 4: He was very hunched over, the weight was too much

1050
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 4: on his toes. You could tell that he was lunging,

1051
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 4: you know. It was really that good pass rush or

1052
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 4: sorry pass blocking grade was more of he was just

1053
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 4: so big guys couldn't get around him in the Big twelve.

1054
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 4: But this past year way different. He got his hamstrings

1055
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 4: and his glues are way more flexible. He can actually

1056
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,919
Speaker 4: sit down, there's more weight on his heels, he's got

1057
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 4: that flat back, and you can see that his run

1058
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 4: his run blocking grades are better this year because.

1059
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 3: He's got more power.

1060
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 4: He's channeling more power from his feet, because he has

1061
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 4: better posture, because he can sink his hips a little

1062
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 4: bit further, and that's something I love, and I've seen

1063
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 4: that a little bit here in the scene both, so

1064
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 4: I think that second round definitely for him. In consideration there,

1065
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 4: Christian Jones has had a really good Senior Bowl. I'm

1066
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 4: really excited to see him in this next practice that

1067
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 4: we got coming up here, because after that first day,

1068
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 4: he was.

1069
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: Kind of a surprise guy, right because a little.

1070
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 4: Bit because he's a sixth year player.

1071
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 3: I think he is a football He has started.

1072
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 4: Forty eight games in his Texas career, and you kind

1073
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 4: of get to the point where, Okay, sure, experience is

1074
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 4: a valuable asset, but then you go, why are you

1075
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 4: still in school. You know, like, if you've been a

1076
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 4: starter for that long, if you are really NFL caliber talent,

1077
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 4: why'd you stay in school so long? And I think

1078
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 4: it's just because he's not the best athlete out there.

1079
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 4: But you see that experience from what we saw yesterday.

1080
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 4: I mean, the hand placement was excellent. He was so poised,

1081
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 4: he was under control. There was no panic when he

1082
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 4: was going to get up against all different sorts of

1083
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 4: pass rushers. So he's somebody who I think is playing

1084
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 4: his way into that mid round consideration, third round, fourth round,

1085
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,919
Speaker 4: something like that. And oh Foster, Foster's probably the same way.

1086
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 4: Another guy created really well for us, did his job

1087
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 4: very very well as a starter over the past two

1088
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 4: or three seasons with Missouri. He's somebody again who does not.

1089
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: More developmental maybe yeah.

1090
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 3: And it's just I don't know if I just don't know.

1091
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 4: If he's an elite caliber athlete, plays a position so smart,

1092
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 4: you know when he knows that it.

1093
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: I agree. I see what you're saying, because there's tis

1094
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: where you're like, is that the right kind of bend?

1095
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: Is that the right type of body position? Right? And

1096
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: it just when it's an elite guy, it looks a

1097
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: certain way, yes, and it doesn't quite look that way

1098
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 1: for him, but maybe I don't know, Maybe he works

1099
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: his way into something special that I don't know.

1100
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 4: But there are a couple of reps where, yeah, maybe

1101
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 4: I haven't sin necessarily seen this at a senior bowl,

1102
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 4: but I saw it on his tape where he goes, Okay,

1103
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 4: I know this guy lined up against me is fast.

1104
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 4: He's gonna try to hit my outside shoulder and come

1105
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 4: up the arc. So he will try to jump set

1106
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 4: him and get it on early to try to mitigate

1107
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 4: maybe what his weaknesses are. And part of being a

1108
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 4: smart player is not only knowing the things that you

1109
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 4: do well, but maybe the things that you don't really

1110
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 4: mitigating some of those weaknesses. And I do think the

1111
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 4: foster does that to be a potential solid player.

1112
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think that's a good thing for the commander.

1113
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: There's lots of talented pieces just about kind of deciding. Again,

1114
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: we don't have a head coach, we don't have offensive

1115
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: core defense twetter like how those guys fit in, But

1116
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: there are some talented pieces there for sure. Let's talk

1117
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: about edg Rusher real quick. I know you got to

1118
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: go here a second But there you said, there's a

1119
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: lot of talented guys here, are there guys? You're like, man,

1120
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: that would be perfect for that top of the second

1121
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: round type of grade.

1122
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 3: I think it is.

1123
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 4: Isaac's a really solid player from Penn State. He's out

1124
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 4: here right now, and Chob Robinson gets a lot of

1125
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 4: the the love the Pub, The love the Pub, yeah,

1126
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 4: right from Penn State, just because of how explosive he is.

1127
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 4: But I think Isaac's put together a couple of really

1128
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 4: solid seasons. He's playing well.

1129
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,919
Speaker 1: More explosive than I thought here in person actually.

1130
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 4: And that's the thing, man, I watched this film and

1131
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 4: I'm like, I think people are them.

1132
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 3: I think people.

1133
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 4: I don't want to call people lazy when they'd say

1134
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 4: this because it's natural, but like you look at the

1135
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 4: more explosive guy on one side and you go, oh, okay,

1136
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 4: that means just the more dependable edge setters probably on

1137
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 4: the other side. And I think Isaac is a pretty

1138
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 4: dang good run defender. But he's also got more juice

1139
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 4: than I think people give him. He has played he

1140
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 4: I think he has done well. Austin Booker is somebody

1141
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 4: who's really interesting.

1142
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: From Kansas, Kansas City.

1143
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, he is somebody who has not put it all

1144
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:58,720
Speaker 4: together yet, but kind of like you talked about earlier,

1145
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 4: a developmental guy.

1146
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 3: I mean, super long arms, high ceiling.

1147
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: It's developmental with the high ceiling. Dude.

1148
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 4: He had a spin move in the eleven on eleven

1149
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 4: period earlier today that was an absolute clean win and

1150
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 4: would have Goldberg speared Michael Pennix or Bonix, whoever it

1151
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 4: was that was sitting back there at quarterback. And so

1152
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 4: it's flashes like that that you go, Man, that's an

1153
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 4: athletic potential that you love. So those are two guys

1154
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 4: that just recently off of today that they're really flat.

1155
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: And then with that second group obviously got Braswell in there,

1156
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: and you've got the gentleman from Missouri the defensive end

1157
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:29,479
Speaker 1: number six.

1158
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 3: I think, yeah serious Robinson.

1159
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, So both those guys to me, when you just

1160
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: watched the when you watch practicition, like these are varsity

1161
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:35,720
Speaker 1: caliber players.

1162
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 4: And I like the way that you put it there,

1163
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 4: because when you watch Braswell, I was even just down

1164
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 4: there before before the real practice started, you kind of

1165
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 4: just still hang the warm up defensive line drills and

1166
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 4: they're going through just kind of like the get off

1167
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 4: drill where it's like okay, whistle blows, boom, you get

1168
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 4: off the ball, get into your first couple of steps,

1169
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 4: and very clearly Braswell was better than everybody else in

1170
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 4: that and his speed to power is incredible. I do

1171
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 4: think that that top of the second round great spot

1172
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 4: for him. Rob people seem to be maybe second.

1173
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 3: Round high on him. I wasn't that high on him.

1174
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 4: You know, he's been a interior defensive lineman for started

1175
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 4: his career there for his first three years he was

1176
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 4: at Missouri.

1177
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: That's also kind of playing that five technique that it's

1178
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 1: a challenging position to be super productive.

1179
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 3: And that's true, but and you know what he does well.

1180
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 4: The top value that he's going to bring is a

1181
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 4: heavy handed five technique defensive end. It's not like he's

1182
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 4: gonna flash at this event more than other guys. This

1183
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 4: event's really for the speedier types of players, the guys

1184
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 4: that win really quickly, and he's not going to win

1185
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 4: super quickly. But Dan, this dude's going to set the

1186
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 4: edge well for you.

1187
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 3: So I think that that's what.

1188
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 4: You know, maybe a little bit of lack of pass

1189
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 4: rush might be why he's not necessarily an early second

1190
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 4: round pick, but for the Commanders if they end up

1191
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 4: going with a different position, an offensive lineman something at

1192
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 4: at the top of the second round, which, by the way,

1193
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,720
Speaker 4: Jordan Morgan from Arizona, I just thought, that's right, that's

1194
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 4: absolutely a target for them as well.

1195
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 3: Really like his guard tackle versatility.

1196
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 4: But Robinson all of a sudden becomes somebody that you

1197
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 4: might be able to target and get in the mid rounds, third,

1198
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:01,760
Speaker 4: fourth round.

1199
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: Something like that. So, yeah, you heard your paycheck for

1200
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 1: this interview, right, all these names, all these kind of

1201
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: fringe guys, let's talk about what they're gonna at number two, right,

1202
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: I mean, and that's an easier one to talk about. Yeah, obviously,

1203
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: I think quarterback, right, that's kind of the direction. I

1204
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: think most of the Tames like it. It seems like

1205
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: it unless you trade out of it. I guess I

1206
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 1: don't know why you would do that. Do you have

1207
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: a favorite at the moment for two?

1208
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1209
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 4: I for me, the favorite is whoever is left on

1210
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 4: the board between Caleb Williams and Drake may Like. I

1211
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 4: do think that those guys are are are the clear one.

1212
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 3: And two for me?

1213
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: Right? Oh really? Okay?

1214
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I like Jayden Daniels a lot.

1215
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,439
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously the year that he's had, and even

1216
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 4: beyond just how impressive he was this past season. The

1217
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 4: progression of Jaden Daniels has been awesome. You go back

1218
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 4: to the Arizona State days and I remember watching him

1219
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 4: very very early on. I think he was a right

1220
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 4: choir freshman firshman, and he was very clearly a long

1221
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 4: ball or I'm gonna take off and rush. We're going

1222
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 4: to take off it like we're going to be a

1223
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 4: part of the rushing attack. We're going to get the

1224
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 4: safeties of creep up, then we're going to take the

1225
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 4: deep shot. He wasn't really reading the field. This accuracy

1226
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 4: was pretty spotty, and that was kind of a story

1227
00:49:58,320 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 4: of him at Arizona State.

1228
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 3: He goes over to LS. Now, this wasn't this past year.

1229
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 4: This is the year before you could tell he made

1230
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,240
Speaker 4: a mental note I'm going to take care of the football.

1231
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 4: He had one of the lowest turnover worthy play rates

1232
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 4: in the country because of it, but the average to

1233
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 4: have the target, the big time throws, the touchdowns, those

1234
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 4: were also down. So then this year he's like, Okay,

1235
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 4: now I'm gonna build off of that, I'm gonna go

1236
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 4: off of what I did last year. I'm gonna become

1237
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 4: more of a downfield passer with some of those now

1238
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 4: good habits when it comes to not turning the ball over.

1239
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 4: And we saw Heisman Trophy winner this past year, so

1240
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 4: really talented football player. But to me, I still think

1241
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 4: that the Tier one conversation is between those top two

1242
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 4: guys Drake May.

1243
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: So So why is that? Because when you watch Drake

1244
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: May and twenty twenty three, it's a little bit of aggression,

1245
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: kind of like not the same level, but kind of

1246
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,720
Speaker 1: like Sam Hollis regression the year before, lots some pieces,

1247
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 1: and then Jane Daniels I thought, you know, if you're

1248
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: just looking at that twenty twenty three tape, it's like

1249
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 1: he's significantly better. So how would you justify that to me?

1250
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 4: So I would tell you that Caleb Williams, you kind

1251
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 4: of got to look at the whole picture, not just

1252
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 4: what we had this past year. And when you go

1253
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 4: even back to Oklahoma, he has played at an elite

1254
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 4: level every single season. And for as much as Kayleb

1255
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 4: Williams did have his struggle this year, I mean it

1256
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 4: was really only that, like three or four game stretch

1257
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,240
Speaker 4: in the middle of this season, then everybody remembers.

1258
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 3: But other than that, y'all have heard this. He makes

1259
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 3: the throws that very few people can make.

1260
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 4: Telling Kim Patrick, Mahomes, Josh Allen like it's dudes like

1261
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 4: that that just from crazy. I throw Matthew Stafford in

1262
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 4: there as well, these crazy armangle throws off platform.

1263
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 3: It's just what he is able to do.

1264
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: It.

1265
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 4: It's magic, like the it is the swing of the

1266
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 4: bat for the home run that you need to run

1267
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 4: your franchise in a spot to win a Super Bowl.

1268
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 4: Plus obviously DC kid hometown story. I like that connection there.

1269
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 4: Drake may most big time throws in college football over

1270
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 4: the last two years, but he has had more big

1271
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 4: time throws than this dude. Is the ball placement elite, No,

1272
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 4: But I think it's I think it is certainly good enough,

1273
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 4: especially for a guy that is only a junior coming.

1274
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 3: Out of college.

1275
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 4: With those two years of starting, I think his arm

1276
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 4: talent can give you every throw in the world. I

1277
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 4: love how he goes super aggressions, and I like how

1278
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 4: fearless he is over the middle of the field too.

1279
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 4: That is something that's very key. If you don't have

1280
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 4: to attack the middle of the field. You're not going

1281
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 4: to be able to put enough stresses on defenses at

1282
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 4: the NFL level to really hurt him. And for Daniels,

1283
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 4: that is something that I'm still looking from attacking over

1284
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,760
Speaker 4: the middle of the field with consistency and fantastic getting

1285
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 4: past those that first read. Now I'm not saying that

1286
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 4: he's only a first read and run kind of a quarterback,

1287
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 4: but he is such a weapon with his legs that

1288
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 4: that is his style. So I think that if you

1289
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 4: are drafting him to be in an offense that's much

1290
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,919
Speaker 4: more in the pocket, much more go through progressions, it's

1291
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 4: going to take a little bit for him to go Okay,

1292
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 4: I need to speed this up.

1293
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 3: I need to change how I look at the field.

1294
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 4: And like I said, you've just got to you've got

1295
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 4: to be willing to attack the middle of the field

1296
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:41,919
Speaker 4: more than we saw from games.

1297
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's a great point. That's something I

1298
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: think you a lot of people lose in terms of

1299
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: the evaluation. Is like the middle of the field stuff

1300
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: at the NFL level is is a huge deal. It's

1301
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 1: it's the it's the offense, favorite prospect in the entire

1302
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: draft and then we'll get you out here. Wow, you're

1303
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:56,399
Speaker 1: on the spot, man.

1304
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 4: You know what I will give you. You know it's

1305
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 4: it's it's lay out to a lot too from UCLA.

1306
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 4: I mean, like, I mean, it has to be. I'm

1307
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,760
Speaker 4: a little bit worried about what the what the forty

1308
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 4: Times company he's going to do to his draft stock,

1309
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 4: But no one has been more productive than this dude

1310
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,280
Speaker 4: over the last two years at getting after the passer

1311
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 4: Elite pass rush grades in both the last two seasons,

1312
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,919
Speaker 4: UH passed rush win percentage above twenty three percent over

1313
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 4: the last two years.

1314
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,439
Speaker 3: I mean, like, that's just that's crazy high.

1315
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 4: That's that's Nick Bosa, Miles Garrett, Micah Parsons type of

1316
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 4: pass rush win percentage numbers.

1317
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 3: Now, obviously it's in college not the NFL.

1318
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 4: But that's the level of success that we're talking about

1319
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 4: with what he's going up against.

1320
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 3: And the thing I love the most about him is, yeah, Okay,

1321
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 3: the arm length is shorter than you'd want it to be.

1322
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 4: He might not be as explosive as as as these

1323
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 4: other guys when it comes to the combined testing, but

1324
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 4: there was a rep specifically today that we watched in

1325
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,879
Speaker 4: practice where he got he got slowed down a little

1326
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:50,879
Speaker 4: bit on a one on one and you could hear

1327
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 4: the offensive line. They were cheering because they thought their

1328
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 4: guy won. And all of a sudden, within the span

1329
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 4: of half a second, Lato got his hand around Boom

1330
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 4: push pull. All of a sudden, the old lineman's flying

1331
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 4: by him and he just got a sack on the

1332
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 4: cool lake.

1333
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: He's fantastic.

1334
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 4: She's the moves, the counter is just he's so quick

1335
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,399
Speaker 4: with his hand usage. It's it just have a hard

1336
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 4: time feeling like that's not going to be extremely impressive

1337
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 4: at the NFL level. So I've loved lot to even

1338
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 4: going back to our summer scouting series, and so I

1339
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 4: got to stick to keep him that.

1340
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: I think that's a great pick. And uh, you know,

1341
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: if you guys listen at home like this content, Trevor,

1342
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: you've got your own podcast, right, the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast, Yes,

1343
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 1: which Jason and I listen to all the time. You

1344
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: do a great job on that ship, man, So thank

1345
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: you so much. As like sitting next to celebrity today,

1346
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 1: you know it's meet her here.

1347
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 3: I appreciate you, man.

1348
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 1: Man, thank you so much for joining us and that's it. Man.

1349
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 1: That was so much fun talking to Trevor, and you know,

1350
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 1: he has so much great insights, so that was awesome.

1351
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 2: I really enjoy him.

1352
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 1: Man, He's he's just a really dialed in guy and

1353
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: it's fun to talk about a guy who's super super dog.

1354
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 2: His A recall is incredible, Like, I just learned so much.

1355
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: Yea, so much. He's awesome and so But that's going

1356
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,479
Speaker 1: to do it for today's show. But we have another

1357
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: show tomorrow more kind of finalizing our Senior Bowl practice review.

1358
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: On Friday, we have a regular Command Center podcast that's

1359
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: with Fred Santana myself, and we are probably going to

1360
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: do Jason a mock draft.

1361
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's what I'm going to schedule for

1362
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 2: you guys. We're going to have you each have done

1363
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 2: a top ten block and I think we're going to

1364
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 2: do some sort of mock.

1365
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: Draft, yeah, at least the top ten to start.

1366
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 2: Which is interesting because all three of you have, like

1367
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 2: you very very.

1368
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 1: Quickly in terms of what's going on.

1369
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I think within three picks you all are

1370
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 2: all over the place, absolutely, and you know how Fred is.

1371
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: Fred likes to just be contralling. But again, if you

1372
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: want to get that content, make sure you like and

1373
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: subscribe here, and then we will do a full Senior

1374
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: Bowl recap including the game that'll come out sometime next week.

1375
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: So to make sure you get that content, please make

1376
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: sure you like and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.

1377
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: We really appreciate your support. Man