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Speaker 1: changing it with the Bedel Cast. Hello and welcome to

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Speaker 1: is Jamie Laftas, and we're here to talk about how

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Speaker 1: long as we've got that out right at the topic,

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Speaker 1: that's critical. Yeah, our listeners need to know that we

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Speaker 1: be kind of like an insidious fun place to start. Oh,

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Speaker 1: like you know that podcast Analyze Fish. Like it's like, yeah, oh,

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Speaker 1: this is a podcast where you convince me to like fish.

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Speaker 1: Where this is a podcast where you, Caitlin convinced me

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Speaker 1: normal space. But an Aristotle is not here. He's not

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Speaker 1: any resolution. Hey, folks, this is an example of a

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Speaker 1: Mason played by Sean Connery, who is the only person

423
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 1: to have ever successfully escaped Alcatraz. So they find him,

424
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,880
Speaker 1: they bring him in. They like through Alcatraz, they get

425
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 1: into the prison ed Harris is all like, Candy here,

426
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: I'm doing my best. He's doing his best. But so

427
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 1: most of the Navy seals get killed in the standoff,

428
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,120
Speaker 1: and the only people who are left of the good

429
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 1: guys is good Speed and Mason. So they have to

430
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 1: figure out a way to find all the missiles because

431
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: there's fifteen in them, I think, and Nick Kge has

432
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,879
Speaker 1: to disassemble them or like make it so the like

433
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 1: destroy the tracking chips or whatever, sort of vaguely like

434
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,880
Speaker 1: a video game directive. Like at some point this movie

435
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 1: missiles and take guidance chip, right, and then every time

436
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,919
Speaker 1: that they do that like a new challenge. I'm like this,

437
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 1: at some point the plot of this movie does begin

438
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: to feel like a bad video again, right, What did

439
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 1: you notice? One of the last Navy seals to die

440
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:55,159
Speaker 1: is the actor Danny Nucci, who is Fabrizio. He's texted

441
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 1: me about this so good I missed it. I straight

442
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 1: I straight up slip oh. I. I was like, that's

443
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 1: Fabrizio from is Iconic. He's like, it's silver Fox now

444
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 1: he is very hot. It's like, yeah, anyway, I thought

445
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 1: you'd appreciate that because I know Titanic is. I was

446
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: genuinely very upset with myself because I went back and

447
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: I was like, of course that's Fabrizio. But there are

448
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: so many random b characters. I would say that there's

449
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 1: three maybe four in this movie that when their their

450
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 1: Navy seals and when they're killed, you heard the little

451
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 1: like and you're like, wait, who's that character for they're

452
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 1: bleeding out, You're just like, wait, but who is that?

453
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 1: Have you heard them speak? It's like senseless killing of

454
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 1: Americans killing Americans right, and it's just like, oh, he

455
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: was a hero. All those scenes. There's like three different

456
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: scenes where three characters I could not tell you who

457
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 1: they were if you had a gun to my head.

458
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 1: There's a two minute scene about how sad it is

459
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: that they died. Dude, just like, whom is that? Well?

460
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: Speaking of guns, there's a ton of them in this movie,

461
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 1: and a lot of them are being shot and fired

462
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 1: into other people. So like a bunch of people are dying. Um,

463
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: good speed and Mason managed to find most of the missiles,

464
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: but there's like one left and then the green almost yeah,

465
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 1: I mean they're all like that. They're all the they're

466
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: all the missiles and I don't know, I listen, I

467
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 1: don't know about missiles. Do I think that they actually

468
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 1: look like Nickelodeon slime? I'd be surprised, surprised. I think

469
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: the art department had a good time with that. Really,

470
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: they look like like those like, yeah, like a huge colander,

471
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 1: major league, they're major league anile beans. These are not

472
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: for weekenders, do you have Yeah, this is for this

473
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: is for an ass. Yeah, this is for a real as.

474
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 1: This is a you feel an So basically, there's like

475
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: one final standoff where most of the rest of the

476
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: bad Marine dudes die, but Nick Cage has to like

477
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: fun the one last missile. There's this whole fight and

478
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: then he saves the day, he disassembles it whatever, and

479
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,239
Speaker 1: then what's his name? Mason is like, oh, now I'm

480
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: going to have to go back and be in jail again,

481
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,400
Speaker 1: and he's like, not if I tell them, you die,

482
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 1: so he lets him escape. The homie does right help

483
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 1: help you fake your friend's death. I hope you guys

484
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: have that kind of relationship. Jamie what happened to Jamie?

485
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: And you're looking at her and you're like, she's done vaporized,

486
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: She's vaporized. She she told me where the anal beads

487
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: were and then she disappeared. So, yeah, the good guys

488
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: save the day on the city of San Francisco safe.

489
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: None of these guys save the day, because if you

490
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: think about it, all, Ed Harris was really advocating for

491
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: it was better veteran care. Right. His whole thing was

492
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: like I want a hundred million dollars eighty three of

493
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: it for the men that I lost and discarded like

494
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 1: that was the thing was like, this is like a weird,

495
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: uncanny valley situation, much like I would argue the original

496
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: Ghostbusters the enemy being the e p A like where

497
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: you're just like, are they really the enemy? Are they? Like?

498
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: Why are why are we supposed to say that? Where

499
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 1: I mean ed Harrison where his practice is perfect, they were,

500
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 1: They weren't bad, but he knew when he lost after

501
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: he was like, I bluffed they called it. So the

502
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: mission is over right, you know what I mean? And

503
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,239
Speaker 1: then the other dudes who kind of take over and

504
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 1: then Degreed takes over right, you know what I mean.

505
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: I don't this This movie is very weird and also

506
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we'll get into this, but like,

507
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: there is a male friendship that co coagulates through the

508
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: course of this movie between Nick Cage and Sean Connery, right,

509
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: but everything that they are bonding over is completely toxic.

510
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: Where I do I think it's good to see a

511
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: movie where two men form a friendship. Yes, I don't

512
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: think we see that enough, But do I want to

513
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,959
Speaker 1: see it based on like guns dislike when like you know,

514
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: they bond on every problematic, weird thing there is possible

515
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 1: to bond on, according to Michael Bay and then it's like,

516
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: but they're friends. It's kind of nice and he should

517
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: absolutely be in jail because like in the many scenes

518
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 1: of destruction in this movie, I would say, we've got

519
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: hundreds of casualties on our hands that are never addressed.

520
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: In the city of San Francisco when they're plowing through,

521
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: there's like a whole who are like flinging, but all

522
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: the stuntmen rolled away. You know, it's not get caught

523
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: under the wheels. It's just like that's what the thing

524
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: is because it reinforces like this nineties sort of like

525
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: ignorance of like it's like the most consequence free like film,

526
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: Like that's a film about people like taking hostages and

527
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: potentially like killing an entire city of people. Like there's

528
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: and that's what the nineties was, you know what I mean,

529
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: Like there was like cell phones weren't scary yet, you

530
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: know what I mean. We had internet enough that it

531
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: helped improve things. But like things hadn't quite turned to

532
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: like peak scary. And I think this movie like it's

533
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: such a reflection because like there's no thought given to anything.

534
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,479
Speaker 1: This is like right before we get into like the

535
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: late nineties, like hacker characters of like the Internet scary.

536
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: Like this is like sort of maybe the last year

537
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: or so where that doesn't exist any movie. But the

538
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: three main characters we have in this movie, and hopefully

539
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: this works as an effective transition, the three main characters

540
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: we have in this movie are all grounded in or

541
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: the plot attempts to ground each of them using a

542
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: female character. So with Ed Harris, we've got his dead

543
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: wife script Barbara, his wife, I'm so sorry, and his wife.

544
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: So his wife is dead, so he's mad and has

545
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: nothing to lose, and that is the basis of what

546
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: we have to characterize him with. Then we see Nick Kite,

547
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,719
Speaker 1: and we see first of all, an actress whom I

548
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: love because she played Brenda on General Hospital. My mom

549
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: watched General Hospital every night growing up, and we used

550
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: to recite the names of the characters during the intro

551
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: and it would end with Brenda and Max. So I

552
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: knew exactly like it's Brenda. But so this was supposed

553
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: to be Brenda's you know, breakout role didn't work out

554
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: because it's a bad role. She's forced to be on

555
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: top of Nicholas cause she's fucking Nicolas k She has

556
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: pigtails and a feather bow on, and it's like, there's

557
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: no hope for this woman. There's no there's no career

558
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: upwardness going on here. But but she is the female

559
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: character who I would say is the strongest of the movie.

560
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: I mean, she gets the most screen time, which is

561
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: maybe a combined total of two minutes. Like most of

562
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: it is her crying. A lot of this are crying

563
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: or being like sassy. Where the most I'll argue for

564
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: this movie is that she seems smarter than the amount

565
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: of screen time and credit she's given. She doesn't seem

566
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,479
Speaker 1: like a stupid person. She's costumed like a stupid person.

567
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: But it's like, you know, there's no depiction of women

568
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: having jobs in this movie at all, but her depiction

569
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: is that she is Nicholas Cage's girlfriend. And to add

570
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: and to raise the stakes, not to necessarily have a

571
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: female character, but to raise the stakes, we have his

572
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: girlfriend be pregnant. So whenever Nicholas Cage needs a reason

573
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: to not be dad. He's like, oh god, baby on

574
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: the way. And then Branda's brandant right, and then Carla,

575
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: Carla character's name, but Branda from My General Hospital heads

576
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: out there, and Ba and Max uh, and then Sean

577
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: Connery has a daughter, Jade, and then and so there

578
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: are three female characters anchoring our three male characters, and

579
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: it's just peak example of like we're only introducing women

580
00:31:55,040 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: into this narrative to increase the depth of our male protagonists.

581
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: One of those three characters is dead and we never

582
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: see them on screen. We only see his wife. One

583
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: of them we only see on screen for one scene,

584
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: which takes about two minutes, a scene that passes. It

585
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: doesn't though it does. Stacy and Jane we know their names,

586
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: but they're talking. I mean, are you okay, well okay, yeah, okay,

587
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. And then Carla isn't a number of scenes.

588
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: But the thing with Carla is that she's poises like this,

589
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: like you said, like kind of sassy, but also like Naggi,

590
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: a nuisance, like a distraction. Because there's one scene where

591
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: Ni Cage is like, my girlfriend's coming. She's flying into

592
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: San Francisco and she's pregnant, and and he's like, you

593
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: need to focus on the matter at hand. So like

594
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: she's poised as a distraction. She's just basically is there

595
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: to cause complications for Tripler. And they're like, oh, your

596
00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: your girlfriend is pregnant. Oh no, she's greg nt. I

597
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: love that breaking that my present. So she's greg nant. No,

598
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: And it's funny to the way it's revealed to She's like,

599
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: how's your day. He's like, the world so fucked up

600
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna sick. People would have kids anyways, can

601
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: take that. Okay, I have a lot to say about

602
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: that scene. That scene is wild. First time we're seeing

603
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: a woman in the movie who is not Barbara's grave.

604
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: There's one woman in the lab there there is a

605
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: woman hurried out the back of her head running away

606
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: by bitchet men. Go this, So this is the whole

607
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: first top ten minutes and Harris screams in a grave.

608
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: Nick Cage full has matt suit. Someone melts, and then

609
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: we got to the first speaking female role in the scene,

610
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: Nick Cage. Before she comes in. Nick Cage is shirtless,

611
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: playlistic and endless. He's almost naked. The acoustic guitar like

612
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: rough at the office someone melted when he's playing is

613
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: so horrible, bending the notes like damn there, and he's

614
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 1: like down. And this is like a magic hour for

615
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: Nick Cage where he does not yet know that he

616
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: is going to be considered a bad actor by history.

617
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: I would argue, maybe he's not the worst actor. To

618
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: be fair, he found out he was nominated for Academy

619
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 1: Award on this set. Yeah, he won the Academy Awards

620
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: leaving Las Vegas. Yeah, this is the film directly after

621
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: leaving Las Vegas. And this movie helps him get like

622
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: face off and all, like this movie made him an

623
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: action it made him that other. It's so funny because yeah,

624
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: he could have gone like that leaving Las Vegas path

625
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: possitive or he was probably always meant to be like

626
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: crazy hair plug dude. This movie sets up National treasure

627
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: in a crazy way. But but then so okay, So

628
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: then Brenda comes in and she says, you know, like,

629
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: how is your day? She says, I had an interesting day? Yes,

630
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: and then he ignoring her, interrupting her, not giving a

631
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: funk about what she has to say. I had an

632
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: interesting day too, And she's like, okay, you go first.

633
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: I guess and he's like, she's yeah. So rather than

634
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: taking rather than taking the time to see what her

635
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: interesting day was or let her speak, he was just like,

636
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: my thing is more important, and this is all to

637
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: set up, and we don't find out from what I

638
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: can talk, We don't find out. I have to assume

639
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: Carla Brenda. We have to asume Brenda has a job, right,

640
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: but we don't find out what it is. I was

641
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: listening so careful, even a hand of what she might

642
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: do for work. But he's like someone melded in in FBI.

643
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 1: And she is like, A'm pregnant. It's like pregnant, I'm

644
00:35:55,960 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: granted pregnant. She's like, well, what about what you just said?

645
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: He's like you just He's like, He's like, what it

646
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: was like about the world not needing you her babies?

647
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: Like that was seven minutes ago. Has happened? Oh God?

648
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: Do we know? Did he say her name in that scene?

649
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm pretty sure it's wild. The only

650
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: time I feel like it's not until ninety minutes into

651
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: the film I heard the words Carla, are you sure okay?

652
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: Because I thought maybe missed it. I thought I did too,

653
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: and I was like, did I just hear her name

654
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: for the first time? Now I think you only hear

655
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: it once and it's like half okay, okay, oh yeah,

656
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 1: because this movie is two and a half hours long.

657
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: It's so long, so yeah, to two hours and sixteen

658
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: minutes long. And I would say, of the times you

659
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: see women speaking on screen, it's probably only a minute

660
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: in thirty seconds. Does someone have a super cut of that,

661
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: because I'm pretty sure it would fit into an Instagram video. Totally, absolutely,

662
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,760
Speaker 1: absolutely So this is a result of there being almost

663
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: no female characters in the movie V and almost every

664
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: single scene populated by tons of men. So for example,

665
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: the lab where Nick Cage is deactivating the bomb that

666
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: comes in and they think like Sara and Gas might

667
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: be in. Um, you see, like we said, the back

668
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: of a woman's head running away. Every other person in

669
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: that scene is a man. Then you see a scene

670
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: where Adheres, his character is naming the terms of like

671
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: what he wants there in like a conference room. There's

672
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 1: two women at the table. Only one of them has

673
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 1: one single wine. Granted she is talking about a man

674
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: being dead and other men being useless. So that's like

675
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: if a woman has to say anything, it might as

676
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: well be that men are dead or useless, and and

677
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: getting back to Brenda, I do think that, like the

678
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: one thing I was impressed about in that scene we

679
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: just talked about with the shirtless pantless cage, like everyone

680
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: melted and she's like, she she is the one who proposes.

681
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: Oh yes, But I thought was kind of cool that

682
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: I did make note of that, because I do like

683
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: to see a representation on screen. It's a subversion of

684
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: the trope, and not only that we see in movies,

685
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: but we see in real life as well. I don't

686
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: know how inspiring it is to aspire to be missus Goodspeed,

687
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: but I did think it was cool that she proposed.

688
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: And then also he was not like, because I feel

689
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: like sometimes when you see a woman proposed on screen,

690
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: the mail feels emasculated by it. He didn't seem emasculated

691
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: by it. He just seemed like, while someone just melted,

692
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,439
Speaker 1: and I'm a little bit overwhelmed. And then he later

693
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: does agree to that same proposal. But he does agree

694
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: to that proposal when she has in pigtails, wearing a

695
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: feather boa and surrounded by what appears to be five

696
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: hundred candles and Chinese lanterns. It almost like a crazy

697
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: who set that up? And it reminds me of the

698
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: Phantom of the Opera's Lair. That's what it looks like like.

699
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: The only difference is they're not steep two ft deep

700
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: in stagnant bog water. That's the only difference. Anyways, Sorry,

701
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: she does for she procos yes, and I enjoy that.

702
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: But again, as we say about so many movies that

703
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: maybe try to subvert a trope for like a split second,

704
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: I feel like movies like that don't get to do that,

705
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: and then also hardly portray women or portray them poorly

706
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: like and only like on the condition that this subversion

707
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: appears in pigtails and a feather bella. Right, yeah, not

708
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: the best. But so back to the scenes that are

709
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: populated by entirely men or almost entirely men, um all

710
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: of them, right, pretty much because all of the men

711
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: forrest moments, I think, the only time when you'll see

712
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,240
Speaker 1: a woman say something yeah, But there's so many opportunity.

713
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: I mean, like any of the people that and Harris

714
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: has with him in his like rogue troop of people

715
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: all men. All the Navy seals are men. All of

716
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 1: the government officials who are sort of in the command

717
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: center giving orders and stuff like that. They're all men.

718
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: It's just like and okay, granted you can say this

719
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: is there weren't that many women in the military back then.

720
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: There weren't that many women are own back in Yeah, population,

721
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: I don't think my mom was even born then. No, no, no,

722
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: women are common new thing, which is ours on the

723
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: table at the time. But like my point is, basically,

724
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: the movies about military have so little representation of women.

725
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: In the movies about people in politics, again, there's almost

726
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 1: never women in those roles. Yeah. A recent exception is

727
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: like Annihilation. I think Apportman's characters definitely military, and I

728
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: can't remember if all the rest of them were, as well,

729
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: all the rest of the scientists are, they might all

730
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: be military. It wasn't doing like some whitewashing things that

731
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: from the friendly adaptation. Yeah. Yeah, anyway, Even so, movies

732
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: about like the military very rarely have and don't you

733
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 1: can be like, what about g I Jane? Okay, cool

734
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: one example, but another one, yeah, Renaissance man. I think

735
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: that movies about the military in particular, and movies like this,

736
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: this is such a specific moment in time where we're

737
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: at the top of the Clinton administration of like, you know,

738
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: these movies come out when the country the movie is

739
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: putting the movie out in is doing well, flying right,

740
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 1: Like this movie does not come out during a recession.

741
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: This movie would not be made right now, and if

742
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: it was, it wouldn't be made successfully. You know. It's

743
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: like this is the kind of movie that comes out

744
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: when people are feeling nationalistic vibes and willing to accept

745
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: the kind of stuff this movie is portraying. Like this

746
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: movie would not work right now, and so like the

747
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 1: contexts for like this sort of movie doing well, and

748
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: why there were a million movies very similar to it

749
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: that we're doing well with similar protagonists and characters and

750
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: sidelining anyone who wasn't you know, Nick Cage, Tom Cruise, whatever,

751
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: this action shorting shorts and exactly and and all three

752
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: of them huge movies that come out in this is

753
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: like a very specific, weird moment in time where like

754
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 1: America is kind of like you know, it's it's very

755
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: like a moral kind of time, yeah, I mean yeah,

756
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: And then like I said, there was no need to

757
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: think about anything that deep because everything, so everyone's needs

758
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: were met I mean for the most part, like in

759
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: the country, and again were we were living in the

760
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,959
Speaker 1: best of times, because I think the nineties basic straight

761
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: white men's needs were meant what I mean, like I

762
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: meant like just more from like an economic sort of

763
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 1: standpoint of sort of like how the sort of sentiment

764
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 1: in the country was Yeah, for sure. And this movie

765
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: makes back it's budget almost five times. Like, this movie

766
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: does incredibly well. And the only previous Michael Bay like

767
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: thing was Bad Boys, which was kind of a fluke

768
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: because it was an indie movie that ended up doing

769
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: really well. And so this is the movie that like

770
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: puts Michael Bay on the black guys. What it's a fluke,

771
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: put three white guys in a movie Michael Bays. See

772
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: what happens? Hey, it goes very well, very well. Well,

773
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say is that you know, you

774
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: could argue at the time, oh, it's unteen, not as

775
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: many women in the military yet, not as many women

776
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 1: in government positions yet. But if you put women in

777
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: those roles in movies, even if it's not necessarily super

778
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: reflective of how it's working in society, people are going

779
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: to see and they're gonna say Oh, there's a woman

780
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: in a government like a general position in the military.

781
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: Oh there's a woman working at the Pentagon. Oh, I

782
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,240
Speaker 1: could do that too. And basically it's just upsetting that

783
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: there were opportunities for several of these characters to be

784
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: women in this movie. None of those opportunities were capitalized on.

785
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: And then you have a whole just like the whole

786
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: whole generation of young people seeing only men being in

787
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: roles like this, no opportunities for young girls to see

788
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: themselves represented on screen, and then they're like, Wow, I

789
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: can't be in the military because yeah, I have complicated

790
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: feelings about not being represented in a movie like this.

791
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: I hindsight am ad that, Like, and not to say

792
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: I'm I'm glad that women are not represented in military

793
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: roles in movies. I'm glad that women are not representing

794
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: in military roles in this movie because this is such

795
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: a toxic, so many steps removed of what the actual

796
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: stakes of a military job actually is. Like, this is

797
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: such a false depiction of that whole lifestyle where I

798
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: feel like young boys like you miss We're seeing this,

799
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: like you get such a fake idea of what the

800
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: military is and it's all action and it's all valor,

801
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: and it's all this stuff that a lot of military

802
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: movies push on you that ends up kind of militarizing

803
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 1: youth and also giving them a total false idea of

804
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: what being a hero is. And that frustrates me on

805
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: the behalf of young boys seeing this movie is being

806
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 1: sold an idea that is false, and we'll put them

807
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: in danger one day. And so I'm grateful that, like,

808
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: you know, you don't see women putting themselves because I

809
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: would feel the same way if I if I saw

810
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: a woman putting herself in danger in a very false way.

811
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: And so it's tricky. I just think Michael Bay should

812
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: just be in prison and be allowed to make movies

813
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 1: because there's no there's with military movies in particular, that's

814
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: such a tricky genre because it's so rarely depicted accurately

815
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: because it's you know, it's hard to make a movie

816
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: about the military that doesn't want to glorify because they

817
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 1: all function as recruiting tools exactly. And that's probably I'm

818
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,760
Speaker 1: sure like with this, like with most films, like whenever

819
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: you have like scenes depicting any kind of military hardware,

820
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 1: like that's with the Blessing of the military. We'll loan

821
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: you this ship for your movie. But also like we're

822
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: gonna we have script notes. You can't make it look bad,

823
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 1: you can't make it look on cool. That's the trade

824
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: of a lot of people don't realize. Like if you

825
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: see tanks and like real ship in films, that's because

826
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: the military is like they've signed off on it, and

827
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: like that's what Top Gun was to like that was

828
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: their Air Force screening tool because they were like, you

829
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: want these jets, well, let's make sure this is as

830
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: favorable depiction of the military as possible or like the

831
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: most like the best version of like, dude, I want

832
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: to be fucking Goose and ice man, you know what

833
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: I mean. The military movies on a base level, they

834
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 1: it's hard because it's like, you know, they have to exist.

835
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 1: They are such like the military is a big part

836
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: of a culture, but it it's it's you can't really

837
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: unless you have access to stuff that would be very

838
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: difficult to access, you can't make an accurate depiction of it.

839
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: And so every time I see like a young person

840
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: seeing a military movie, it just like makes me feel

841
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: very conflict because they're being sold a false narrative. And

842
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,240
Speaker 1: I hate seeing young men being sold a false narrative.

843
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: I don't want young women to be sold the same

844
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: false narrative. So I don't know, Yeah, I wouldn't want

845
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: to be a ten year old girl seeing woman in

846
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,439
Speaker 1: a movie like being like I'm great at military stuff

847
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: and then being like I should do the same thing.

848
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 1: But it's a fake thing. It's right because I think

849
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: we need to demilitarize our country. There's two I mean,

850
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: the military budget to see anyone billion dollars and the

851
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: education budget is like, here have two dollars for textbooks, mean,

852
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: while they're like you have eighty jillion dollars for the military,

853
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: and it's it's like, hey, let's maybe prioritize. So this,

854
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a large cultural question, like you know,

855
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: it's like I feel like it's a very easy answer

856
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: to be like, we see so many men shooting guns

857
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: on screen. Shouldn't we see women shooting guns on screen?

858
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I think we should see less men

859
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: shooting guns on screen, and that you know, like, do

860
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: I think it should be equalized? And should we see

861
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,760
Speaker 1: female action heroes? Absolutely? Should we see the same amount

862
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: of female like violent female action heroes? As men, no,

863
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: because there shouldn't be that many, and so it's like

864
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: there's so many. I just don't. I just hate saying

865
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: children being like made to be like you know what

866
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: would be like very you go girl, cool if you

867
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 1: were also extremely violent, like like if you with a

868
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: fucking fire extinguisher, right, which is cathartic and cool for

869
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: for any gender on the spectrum. But do you want

870
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: to show that to any gender in the spectrum when

871
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 1: their kids. I don't probably not know. Every movie should

872
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:03,439
Speaker 1: be very boring as what I'm saying. Honestly, Michael Bay,

873
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: you could have just made this a PS about veteran

874
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: care and say everyone the headache the villain is the

875
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: one who's pro veteran Care's basically saying, y'all are mistreating

876
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: the veterans, and they're like, well, and you guys aren't

877
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: listening to the point that I will fake kill Americans

878
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: to get my point across because the government isn't listening

879
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 1: to your needs. Wow. I mean in a way Ed Harris,

880
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: Ed Harris I think really does milk money. Milk money

881
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: with Ed Harrison, he's like the nature guy and like

882
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: and like his him, his son, his friends go to

883
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: this city to pay a prostitute because they want to

884
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: see a woman naked for the first time. I'm sorry,

885
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: sex worker for the first time because they're like fourteen

886
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: and they're like, we've never we've not men until we've

887
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: seen a naked woman. And then they go. Then he

888
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: wants her to be his mom and like tries to

889
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,439
Speaker 1: hook him up with Ed Harris. But it's crazy because

890
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: I think these films came out within a year of

891
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,240
Speaker 1: each other, and so on one side you have crazy

892
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: veteran Ed Harris and then like nerd like single dad

893
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: in Harrison. That's why character actors are so interesting to me.

894
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: It's like, in the space of a year, they will

895
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: sometimes do like, Okay, this is how they paid their

896
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: rent and this is how they spent the rest of

897
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: their time. Like no one has done a career retrospective

898
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 1: on Ed Harris. I bet it's fucking fast. I think

899
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: the amount of different ship was it a few years

900
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: before this that he was. The first movie I ever

901
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 1: saw him in was Apollo thirteen, which is a movie

902
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: I watched probably like thirty times as a kid. I

903
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: don't know why I was on so much. I used

904
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: to confuse Apollo thirteen and the movie that happens because

905
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: of the Rock, which is Armageddon, that's the next president. Well,

906
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 1: then they'll say that it was John Mason James Bond too.

907
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: There's that. Yeah, there's like I was looking at weird

908
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: sh about the movie. There's like what about this James

909
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: Bond theory? Like, no, I don't need that to be Well,

910
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: let's get back to those characters because at some point,

911
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 1: once it's established in the Cage and Sean Connery are

912
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,919
Speaker 1: going to be friends, it gets very silly where they're

913
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: basically quipping at each other for like consecutive minutes through

914
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: various obstacles. There's there's one line where Nick Cage says

915
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: something and then Sean Connery replies with, Oh, my days,

916
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: aren't that exciting now because I just read a lot

917
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: of philosophy and avoid getting gang raped in the washrooms.

918
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: And then he says it's not as much of a

919
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: problem these days. I think I've lost my sex appeal.

920
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: And it's like, oh, you don't president about rape. God,

921
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: Like we don't even need to talk about everything that's

922
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: wrong with there's not time to unpack. But like there's okay,

923
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,800
Speaker 1: So I hate this movie so much. It's horribly directed.

924
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: I hate Michael Bay. He sucks so much. Nick Cage

925
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: overacts every single scene he's in. Every line read of,

926
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 1: every line is terrible. Like there's just but I I

927
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 1: stand for Nick Cage. I hate him. He sucks, but

928
00:50:55,800 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: he's amazing, amazing raising Arizona and I like him Moonstruck

929
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 1: and I don't mind him an adaptation and every other

930
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: movie he's in. He needs to be used exactly. I

931
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:10,240
Speaker 1: feel like Nick Cage can be directed very well. Well,

932
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: there are some lines that he says in this movie

933
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: that I just want to point out. And then a

934
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: few other lines from other characters. One of the dance

935
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: start very coming to theaters again. No, we're getting him

936
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: to do the read. So if I have a few

937
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: of my favorite lines, Nick Cage says something like, and

938
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to try to get this line read right,

939
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,399
Speaker 1: where he's just like, what do you say? We cut

940
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: the chit chat a whole volume control is all right,

941
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: whole And he's like, how in the name of Zeus

942
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 1: is but did you escape yourself? It's just oh god,

943
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: there because nerds don't curse, there is but whole so

944
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: and then Sean Connery says, he makes a really funny

945
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 1: joke that we all just laughed, HI laugh at where

946
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,760
Speaker 1: he says, you're you're between the rock and a hard

947
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: case say that. I don't know at some point where

948
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 1: I think they thought it was the funniest joke in

949
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: the world. I think I was suffering so much my

950
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,479
Speaker 1: brain just forgot about that one. I for sure missed

951
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: some stuff in this movie, so annoyed was just like, oh,

952
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 1: she's I had to tune up for a minute. My

953
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: favorite joke that is not a joke that needs to

954
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: be fully explained top to bottom in this movie is

955
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:36,399
Speaker 1: the rocket man joke. Towards the end, I don't listen

956
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: to that. So Nicholas catch and another Navy cel who

957
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: he's about to Gil Nichols says, hey, ever heard a

958
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: rocket man? And then the guy says, I don't listen

959
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: to that soft ash ship. And then Nicholas Cage proceeds

960
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: to explain the joke. Well, I asked, because it's about

961
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: I only bring it up because it's you pause, You're

962
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:05,720
Speaker 1: the rocket man, and then shoots him with a rocket

963
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: fence post or something. There's so many like quips in

964
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: this movie where You're just like, could have used a

965
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: second draft, could have paid Aaron Sorkin a day, right, No,

966
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: that was Aaron Sorkins. He's like that stays. There's a

967
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 1: fun line. I think. I don't remember exactly who says this.

968
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: It might be Sean Connery, but he says something like

969
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: losers are blah blah blah. Winners go home and fuck

970
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: the prom queen. I don't know if you know this,

971
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,919
Speaker 1: but women are not actually with the people. We are rewards.

972
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: Women are rewards that men get to go home and

973
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 1: have sex and have sex with because they're waiting in

974
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 1: a bed brone for a man to enter. Candles, pigtails,

975
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 1: feather po ain't pregnant. I'm gregnant and I'm laying on

976
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: the bed out with my arms out, just paused. My

977
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 1: life is on pause, but not visually gregnant. That would

978
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: be gress, that'd be gross in it. You put your

979
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 1: gregnant in me, greg Nancy, I can't. One last thing

980
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: I got to say is that we high risk Gregory.

981
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: We don't see any cats in this movie, but a

982
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: cat dog A cat is mentioned because Nicholas Cage says

983
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: that he killed his cat with his chemistry set when

984
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: he was a kid. He does. So now it's a

985
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: good time to mention that cats do have eight nipples.

986
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: This is cat facts with Caitlin. Okay, eight nipples yeah,

987
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: male cats too? Yes? Wow, do you as a man

988
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: have the same number of nipples? Because I had like,

989
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: like I had a male dog that I felt like

990
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 1: I couldn't find all its nipples and I was like,

991
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: oh where these things go? Were you searching actively? As

992
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: a kid? I was curious because I was like, oh,

993
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 1: I was like this cat has at and I'm like

994
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 1: in this boy dog when I was like three, I

995
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: don't know. Well, they dragged on the ground four down

996
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 1: when you're just nippy and started to just dreg nip

997
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: sliding on the you're slipping on your own nips and

998
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: sorry I brought it up. Sorry I tripped on my nips? Here?

999
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: Can we? I do want to talk a little bit

1000
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: more about the stylist character. Okay, so I do we

1001
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: have time for a protein pack? He? Oh. There was

1002
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 1: one character who I would argue is a queer icon

1003
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,720
Speaker 1: who I was shocked only appeared in one Seeing Ranger

1004
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: Bob I think it was who shows around Alcatraz and

1005
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: he's like, this is Alcatraz, and I was like, queer icon,

1006
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: he's amazing. He says something like welcome to Broadway. Right,

1007
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: he literally drops Broadway. I was like, this is such

1008
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: a Michael Bay weird view of queerness. But for for

1009
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,760
Speaker 1: the Ranger Bob character, it really works for me. He's

1010
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: wearing khankies, a very tight wool socks, very confident. He's like,

1011
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: welcome to Alcatraz. It's basically Broadway. And I was like,

1012
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,399
Speaker 1: what a queer icon. I love him. You never see

1013
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: him again, Like many great potential be characters, he disappeared.

1014
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: What's a matter? Fells? Something wrong with the tour? And

1015
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: then yeah, I mean comma fellas comma queer. I amazing,

1016
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: loved it. Hey fella, so confusing queer icons but just

1017
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:22,959
Speaker 1: old timey people, so brag. I have a few game

1018
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: ol friends. I know I have friends you guys, And

1019
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 1: I asked them how they felt about representation of characters

1020
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 1: like this stylist who are coded as being gay but

1021
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: not necessarily explicitly stated. So one of one of my

1022
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: friends said that, um, if a movie character is gay,

1023
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: they want to know because the character explicitly states it,

1024
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: not because the movies relying on like harmful stereotypes to

1025
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: communicate that information. Another one of my friends said that

1026
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 1: they're okay with like a feminine gay men being portrayed

1027
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: on screen because that is how some gay men present,

1028
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,399
Speaker 1: but they would want that content to be made by

1029
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: like a gay creator, like a director and stuff like that,

1030
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: because when it's someone like Michael Bay, who was notorious

1031
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: for treating all of his characters like archetypes and stereo antagonistic, Yeah, yeah,

1032
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: I would. I would direct people to a documentary that

1033
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: I saw a couple of years ago I really enjoyed,

1034
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 1: called the Gay Word for a further exploration of how

1035
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: gay characters are depicted by like especially straight, often male filmmakers,

1036
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: and also gets really deep into the gay villains trope

1037
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: that is popular for decades and decades of just like

1038
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: how code gate characters appear on screen, and depending on

1039
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: who the filmmaker is, how that affects how harmful it. Yeah, yeah,

1040
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: what you called the gay Word? Great? To check it out?

1041
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: I sure will. Yeah. There's a line that Ed Harris

1042
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: says at some point in the movie that goes like this,

1043
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 1: mars are his wife Menacing is a name before the

1044
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: year she was born. His life, his fucking wife. Literally,

1045
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: But again, it's like we're talking about the coding of

1046
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 1: a movie. His wife is saying he's got nothing to lose, right,

1047
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: that's it. That's why it says his wife before it

1048
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: says like ninety seven. You know, it's just drives me crazy. Okay.

1049
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: Ed Harris says, man your posts men, which is I

1050
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 1: think the fiecest statement of this movie. It's just like

1051
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: using man as a verb to do your job and

1052
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: then just be like man, man, man your post men,

1053
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: as long as your manage, make sure man what you're

1054
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: doing it man that man cannon man life alright, his wife,

1055
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: his wife, his life. Okay, I mean, I mean it's aggressive.

1056
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 1: Just watching, I'm pretty sure I'm not listening, but I

1057
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: felt like it was. The text was so big, it

1058
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: was like the size of the right. It was like

1059
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: his life, his life, his wife, Barbara. Does anyone have

1060
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: She's she's the predicate to a sentence exactly name the subject.

1061
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: Does anyone have any of the thoughts about the movie?

1062
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: Shame on anyone who would try to tell you it's

1063
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: a good movie. It's not a good movie. If anything,

1064
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: they're conflating their nostalgia for for a time when they

1065
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 1: were younger and couldn't have any like an adult thought

1066
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: about or like critical thinking about the films they saw,

1067
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: like the only when I think really about the feelings

1068
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 1: I have about it, it's purely the nostalgia of it,

1069
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: rather than like, man, when I fucking need to get inspired,

1070
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 1: I watched The Rock. I'm like the last time I

1071
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: watches Like I'm so hungover that the Rock is on

1072
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: in the background, and even then I'm not going to

1073
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: turn it off. And it's only because the remote is

1074
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: like on the floor across the room and I cannot

1075
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: get I wanted to say something really quickly. We didn't

1076
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: really talk about the Jade character. I would say this

1077
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 1: is again just a big, not surprisingly missed opportunity by

1078
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 1: Michael Bay where we're presenting with a female character who

1079
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: does not seem stupid. She we see her at her college.

1080
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 1: You know, she's meeting up with her convict father and

1081
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: brings a friend. This tracks for me. It's like, if

1082
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:19,919
Speaker 1: you're going to meet your father who's a convict, don't

1083
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: show up alone. She cops to this openly. She questions

1084
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: what he's telling her, which makes sense if your father

1085
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 1: is a convict, but she's still ultimately in the space

1086
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 1: of the one scene she really appears in is characterized

1087
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:37,959
Speaker 1: as property to the male character, to the point where

1088
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: Sean Connery says to her, like, you're the only proof

1089
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 1: that I exist, which which totally just I'm like, well,

1090
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: that's all she is to the plot. And so it's

1091
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: it's a bummer to see people like characters like her

1092
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: and like Brenda, not Brenda, Brenda actually Carla. But it's like,

1093
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: you see these these women who appear to have some

1094
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: potential Jill as a character just ultimately be discarded, and

1095
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: like seeing the Jade character as like, because I didn't

1096
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 1: really know what this movie was about, I certainly didn't

1097
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: remember her. I was like, oh, man, I hope she

1098
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: comes back. She never never. Yeah, Well, they're like they're

1099
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 1: mere existence or like it's sort of heightened by or

1100
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: it's exactly connected to their ability to procreate as men. Exactly.

1101
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: You're you're a verification that my dick works for Jade,

1102
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: and because you're you're gregnant. Now I'm going to be

1103
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 1: a hero due to your ability for gregnant. I have

1104
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 1: to live because you're Greek net The conversation about Jade

1105
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 1: leads us to whether or not this movie passes the

1106
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 1: Bechdel test. It doesn't. Here's why. So there's only there's

1107
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:49,439
Speaker 1: only one opportunity where this could potentially happen, and it's

1108
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 1: where Jade and her friends Stacy, both the characters are named,

1109
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 1: go to meet John Mason, and Jade says to her

1110
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: friend Stacy, it's okay, and Stacy says, I'll be over

1111
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: there if you need me. No men are explicitly stated

1112
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 1: or mentioned in that too long to change to the

1113
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: conversation they're talking about whether or not Jade feels safe

1114
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 1: meeting her convict father. I am beyond willing to say

1115
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: this movie does not pass the Bechdel test. Yeah that

1116
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 1: was I mean, that was the only scene where I

1117
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,959
Speaker 1: feel like it even comes into questions. No other women

1118
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 1: interacted to the point where and this is how badly

1119
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 1: this podcast and this test is jad to me from Like,

1120
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: why did he even bother to give Stacy a name

1121
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 1: if she was never going to come back? I think

1122
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: they went out of their way. It was to make

1123
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 1: the point that Sean Connery couldn't even recognize his own daughter, right, Oh, okay,

1124
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 1: that does track. She was like, no, I'm Stacy, right, Okay,

1125
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:48,959
Speaker 1: so yeah, this movie doesn't hapend. Yeah, so she's merely

1126
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: there to underline how shitty if it died. It's purely

1127
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 1: be like, how is he going to? Oh, I'll think

1128
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 1: this other woman is his daughter? Was her name almost Daisy? Yeah?

1129
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 1: So movie does not pas special test And I like,

1130
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 1: was really I almost had a panic attack, and I

1131
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 1: was like, did that just pass? And I was like,

1132
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 1: wait a minute. There the context of their conversation is

1133
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 1: specifically about John Mason, so it doesn't pass. Said that.

1134
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:14,439
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. I was like, oh my god,

1135
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 1: because in my mind I was like, no, there's no way.

1136
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 1: And I was like, which is why I think sometimes

1137
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: when women are talking in a movie, they can mention

1138
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 1: a man in the movie still passes, and they can

1139
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 1: not explicitly mentioned a man in the movie does not.

1140
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 1: I think it's more about context than it is about

1141
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 1: whether or not a man's name happen to be mentioned.

1142
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 1: So we've had we've come up on this a lot.

1143
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: But because the subtext is this man making you feel

1144
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 1: insafe exactly, which if he's Sean Connery, probably not my dad,

1145
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 1: who my my mom? And after it led Zeppelin concert.

1146
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 1: God yeah, way, I mean, and I appreciate how realistic

1147
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 1: Jade was about like yeah, of course, like I don't

1148
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 1: I'm curious, but also like I don't trust you just

1149
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 1: again the seeds of a female character that it would

1150
01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 1: be interesting to see a second time. We do not

1151
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,959
Speaker 1: see bad movie. I hate it, so three and a half.

1152
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 1: That's well. Speaking of writing, let's write on our nipple scale,

1153
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 1: I'm going to give this movie zero nipples. I think

1154
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 1: it's a bad movie on top of it portraying women horribly.

1155
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 1: And Jamie brought up some great points about well, do

1156
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 1: we really want to see that much representation of like

1157
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 1: women in the military and women in government positions when

1158
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 1: it's a movie like this, where it's just perpetuating and

1159
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 1: glorifying thailands and stuff like that, where like, no, I don't.

1160
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 1: I would rather women be left out of those movies. Really,

1161
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 1: I would rather movies like this not be made at

1162
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 1: all because they're not good. And Michael Bays sucks and

1163
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 1: he should be not working in Hollywood. So I mean

1164
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 1: the fact that there are almost no women in the

1165
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 1: entire movie, that all the female characters that do exist

1166
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 1: are there just to basically support or provide the motivation

1167
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 1: of the male characters. They're just flat. We hardly see

1168
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 1: them on screen, they hardly have any lines, and it's

1169
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 1: it's not great representation. I would give it zero also

1170
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 1: because it's like if toxic masculinity was like a missile

1171
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 1: from the movie, like the Rock is like the VX,

1172
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 1: Like the Rock as a film is the green anal

1173
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 1: beads that destroy everything. It's the kind of ship even connected.

1174
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 1: It's like the kind of ship though that like you know,

1175
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 1: looking back, you're like, man like, this is what we

1176
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 1: were like inoculating and socializing like young men with and

1177
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:28,919
Speaker 1: like was just like this idea of like, yeah, dude,

1178
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 1: the broils will get it. Go in there and just

1179
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 1: do their ship and get it done. Yo, chill the

1180
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 1: funk out, you're greg nant. Hang back, I'm gonna do

1181
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 1: my thing and I'll be back in the baby be

1182
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 1: chill like so yeah, and in that sense, and again

1183
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 1: when I was thinking about it, the only reason I

1184
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 1: have anything good to say about it is that it's

1185
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 1: purely like a sensation of the time that it came

1186
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 1: out in where I was twelve years old and my

1187
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 1: world was only as complex as like going to like

1188
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 1: a movie or like, you know, having a crush on someone,

1189
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 1: so in my low stakes world is shut that. But

1190
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 1: other than that, it's like it's like a one yeah,

1191
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 1: I'm I'm giving this uh Sara nipples as well. I

1192
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 1: do agree that it is an interesting time capsule to

1193
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 1: point to. If you see any extremely toxic adult man

1194
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 1: with a military industrial complex, now of like, how did

1195
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 1: he get this movie? Is a great way to be like,

1196
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 1: this is the sort of propaganda that was shoved at

1197
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 1: them at a very young age, and that is why

1198
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 1: people like this exist in the world, right Yeah, I

1199
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 1: I god. I think that earlier in this podcast, just

1200
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 1: going off of how ja did we've gotten via doing

1201
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 1: this podcast, and I think our listeners have to um

1202
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 1: is that it's no longer you don't get half a

1203
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 1: nip a single nip for simply having women in your

1204
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 1: movie because the context of how those women exists. So

1205
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 1: there's no woman that is introduced into this plot that

1206
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 1: isn't strictly with the intention of characterizing and giving more

1207
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 1: shades of gray to a man. So there's nothing, there's nothing.

1208
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 1: Every female character with any potential is completely sidelined. Half

1209
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 1: written by Lord knows what male writer did not want

1210
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 1: to be included in the credits of this movie. I

1211
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 1: mean not I don't know, and ultimately where you know,

1212
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 1: not to glorify toxic masculinity in any way, but like

1213
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 1: there are some bad Michael Bay movie that are sort

1214
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 1: of fun to watch, this one isn't even fun to

1215
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 1: watch for me where I have no cultural context for it.

1216
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's just a mediocre movie that is saying

1217
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 1: bad things. So didn't enjoy the movie zero nipples. I'd

1218
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 1: be curious for people to, like, if you're ever on

1219
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 1: a date and you're dating somebody have The Rock on

1220
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 1: DVD and it's a man as the owner to challenge

1221
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 1: them what they think of the film now, because I

1222
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:52,040
Speaker 1: feel like you'll find people who can either understand how

1223
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 1: bad the movie is or some people who are still

1224
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 1: actually holding on today. I think like it would be

1225
01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:58,479
Speaker 1: very tellent because I'm sure I have a few friends

1226
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 1: who would be like, dude, the Rocks fucking sick, like

1227
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And I think like it's

1228
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 1: very I think you can use that film almost as

1229
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 1: a litmus test to see if you can if someone can,

1230
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 1: we need to add it to we have a litmus

1231
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 1: test list of films of like red flag films. Someone

1232
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 1: tells you this is one of your favorite films and

1233
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 1: means it earnestly and if they can't at the very

1234
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:22,600
Speaker 1: least be like, I understand it's bad. It's a nostalgia

1235
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:24,640
Speaker 1: or whatever, and you can at least acknowledge that. But

1236
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 1: I know people who would probably fucking knuckle down and

1237
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,599
Speaker 1: be like, dude, it's actually like the perfect action films.

1238
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:32,720
Speaker 1: Well you think about it. It actually she's great and

1239
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 1: that's good. Yeah, Okay, he saved a gregnant woman, so

1240
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:40,839
Speaker 1: it's all right. Whatever. I don't know what this gregnant

1241
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 1: thing is and we don't have time. Should be the

1242
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 1: video because the video is hilarious. That's my plug. Okay, okay,

1243
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 1: what what is it called there? It's this video. We'll

1244
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 1: put it in the footnotes. Okay. So across the board,

1245
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 1: zero nipple ratings, so so bad. Michael Bay Boo Miles.

1246
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:06,599
Speaker 1: Where can be people find you? Um? Um, you can

1247
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:09,680
Speaker 1: find me on closed the Daily sie Geist, which the

1248
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:11,640
Speaker 1: two of you have been grace enough to come on

1249
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 1: many times. Yeah, just check out that podcast. I'm on

1250
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 1: their line on Twitter and Instagram at miles of gray

1251
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 1: and the video is called am I Pregnant? So it's

1252
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:23,919
Speaker 1: so good pregnant. All the hot ones are hot spellings.

1253
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 1: Yeah great. Um. You can follow the Bectel Cast on

1254
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 1: all the social media platforms. You can rate and review

1255
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 1: us on iTunes, you can pay more. Maybe John five

1256
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:38,680
Speaker 1: dollars a month gets you discount on merch which you

1257
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 1: should also buy, and it gives you two bonus episodes

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Speaker 1: of the Becto Cast. Juno speaking of gregnant goodness, Signtum, Miles,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here. It's been We're

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Speaker 1: a sixteen and we're impregnated by a high schooler named Greg.

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Speaker 1: This is my dad, my baby daddy, greggnant. I'm gregnan handed.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry that we got so sidetracked and pregnant. I'm

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Speaker 1: glad you saw it.