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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. Let's go back a little bit and talk

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Speaker 1: about Planet Surpo because that has a lot to do

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Speaker 1: with what we're going to talk about tonight. What was

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Speaker 1: that program? Well, sure, yeah, absolutely, it was a it

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Speaker 1: was an interesting it was an interesting event Surpo. And

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Speaker 1: you know you've had Bill Ryan on your show, haven't you. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we sure have. Yeah, Bill knows a lot about Surpo also,

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Speaker 1: and also Carry Cassidy. It really happened, It actually happened,

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Speaker 1: and it was kept under the It was kept under

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Speaker 1: reps for a long time, but finally it emerged thanks

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Speaker 1: to the d IA. They had a lot to do

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Speaker 1: with it. It was a program of what transferring back

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Speaker 1: and forth? Was it a back and forth transferring program? No,

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Speaker 1: we set twelve Americans on an alien spaceship to that

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Speaker 1: to that planet in nineteen sixty five. Did they come back?

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Speaker 1: They stayed there for thirteen years. Gosh, it reminds me

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Speaker 1: of the ending of that Close Encounters of the Third

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Speaker 1: Kind movie, Remember that scene, right, that's right, well that

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Speaker 1: the movie was about that. Actually, well, twelve left, only

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Speaker 1: seven came back, five freedom died and two decided to

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Speaker 1: remain there. Really, Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Yeah, I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure i'd go. What's that that was? That

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Speaker 1: was a question I asked at Contact in the Desert

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Speaker 1: this weekend if you would go on an et craft

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Speaker 1: one way and not come back. And half of the

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Speaker 1: panelists said they not go. The other half said they would.

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Speaker 1: I'm not why anyone would. I don't know why anyone

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Speaker 1: would say that in advance that they would intend to

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Speaker 1: stay there. That surprises me, because that's that's unlikely to

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Speaker 1: go to a foreign planet. One hadn't even seen it

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Speaker 1: and wanted to stay. Yeah, I want to stay there.

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Speaker 1: But after being there for thirteen years, they decided they

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Speaker 1: liked it there, two of them. Two of them did.

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Speaker 1: And where was this planet? What system was it in?

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Speaker 1: And day to Articulie, which is about thirty nine light

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Speaker 1: years from our son our solar system. Isn't that the

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Speaker 1: same planetary system that we think the Barney and Betty

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Speaker 1: hillcase might have originated from. But it's a large system.

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Speaker 1: It's a very large system, and there are many many

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Speaker 1: planets around that particular sun. Actually, actually it's a binary sun.

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Speaker 1: There were two sons there in the day articular system.

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Speaker 1: That's that's the reason that our people never had any

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Speaker 1: darkness there because there was always one sun in the sky,

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Speaker 1: so it was always light there when they were there.

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Speaker 1: Close Encounters came out late seventies, I think Close Encounters

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Speaker 1: came out, and I think it was seventy seventy seven, Okay,

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Speaker 1: in right. Do you think they fed Spielberg some of

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Speaker 1: this information? Absolutely, there's no question whatsoever. He wrote the

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Speaker 1: screenplay in one weekend at the Sherry Nevolyns Hotel in

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Speaker 1: New York City. He could not possibly have done that

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Speaker 1: if he didn't have if he wasn't being fed the

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Speaker 1: information and he was getting the information from the DA.

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Speaker 1: Did they give him the information because they wanted to

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Speaker 1: start leaking this out or what happened? Yes, yes, they

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Speaker 1: thought they thought it belonged in the public, that the

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Speaker 1: public had a right to know this because it was

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Speaker 1: an important story. And so the DA people who released it,

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Speaker 1: warned it known and this was the best way they

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Speaker 1: could do it was do it through Spielberg. He had

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Speaker 1: he just made a tremendous hit with The Jaws, right,

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Speaker 1: and they thought and they thought he was the right

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Speaker 1: it was a great movie and people still talk about

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Speaker 1: it today as a matter of fact. Yeah, And that

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Speaker 1: scene where the twelve people are lined up, there were

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Speaker 1: they needed strong sunglasses because they knew in advance that

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Speaker 1: the sun was very bright on cerpoa special sulays and

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Speaker 1: Spielberg brought that out n with a lot about it. It

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Speaker 1: It was an amazing program, both the movie and probably

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Speaker 1: the project Serpo. Has the project ended or is it ongoing? No,

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Speaker 1: it did not end. We established a relationship, diplomatic relationship

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Speaker 1: with those with that civilization, and there were several other

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Speaker 1: visits back and forth after that, And in the case

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Speaker 1: The craft that was used to get us back there,

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Speaker 1: of course, have we ever reversed engineered it, Well, we did, Yes,

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Speaker 1: we did reverse engineer that craft. Um And as a

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Speaker 1: um UH. The nineteen sixty four craft that landed in

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Speaker 1: northern New Mexico. Lonnie Zamora was right, the one in Skoro.

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Speaker 1: It was that case, the Lonnie Zamora case, that convinced j.

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Speaker 1: Allen Heineck that maybe this is really happening. Well, I

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Speaker 1: think Heineck was the one that said it was the

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Speaker 1: most convincing case that on record. Didn't you say that

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Speaker 1: exactly exactly? It changed his whole view, It did, exactly.

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Speaker 1: And because it was a huge egg shaped craft sitting

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Speaker 1: creatures standing in front of it in white uniforms, and

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Speaker 1: when they realized that they were being observed, they jumped

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Speaker 1: I always thought that that case might have been in

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Speaker 1: Somewhere because it kind of sounded like it. But the

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Speaker 1: more I got into it, Lenn, the more I realized, now,

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Speaker 1: lonnies a more something from out of this world. Well,

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Speaker 1: that incident occurred on April twenty fourth, nineteen sixty four,

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Speaker 1: which was the exact date that the Aliens had told

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Speaker 1: us they would be coming. It all coincided. It was

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Speaker 1: absolutely right on target, Lenn. What kind of propulsion system

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Speaker 1: did they have and do they have? Well, they had

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Speaker 1: antimatter technology, we know that. But they also knew how

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Speaker 1: to travel through wormholes and it was a journey that took.

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Speaker 1: It only took them ten months from one to the

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Speaker 1: through It must have been through a wormhole. Wormhole travel

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Speaker 1: is instantaneous. Once they do that exactly, and we've now learned,

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Speaker 1: we've now learned that the so called wormholes are really

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Speaker 1: part of a much larger web that permeates the whole

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Speaker 1: wrote the book A Secret Journey to Planet Serpol, which

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Speaker 1: to you? Well? I spent two hours in a shuttle

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Speaker 1: I mean, did you say, Bill, this is way out

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Speaker 1: come on. Now. He wasn't talking directly to me. He

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Speaker 1: small cab, sure, and he dominated the conversation. I said,

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Speaker 1: larger than the CIA now. Now the aliens from Serpol

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Speaker 1: extraterrestrial and biological entity and that was a very unimaginative,

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Speaker 1: lot of cooperation. We've established a diplomatic relationship with them.

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Speaker 1: There were nine there were nine visits back and forth,

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Speaker 1: and I'm quite convinced, even though I hadn't been reported anywhere,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that we've now sent our own spaceship there,

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Speaker 1: believe it or not. Generally, when they came here, I

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Speaker 1: remember in close encounters. Of course, it was way out

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Speaker 1: where did they normally land? They landed at hallam An

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Speaker 1: proving ground. That's where they landed in nineteen sixty five.

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Speaker 1: The witnesses must have been amazing, but they were all

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Speaker 1: military people that I guess, Yeah, all military people or

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Speaker 1: government people. And they said they would be back the

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Speaker 1: whole trip. The whole exchange program was really planned ten

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Speaker 1: years earlier after Roswell, because these were the same entities

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Speaker 1: had crashed at Roswell, same people, and one of the

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Speaker 1: aliens of the crash. I think you know this survived

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Speaker 1: and was sent to Los Almos. You know that, you

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Speaker 1: know that story right, that he's the one that set

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Speaker 1: up the exchange program. But he said that that his

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Speaker 1: planet was not ready for the exchange program just yet,

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Speaker 1: but they would be in ten years, and that was

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Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty three, just before he died. And that

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Speaker 1: ten year period elapsed in nineteen sixty three, and Kennedy

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Speaker 1: was notified about it and said, sure, go with it.

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Speaker 1: So are we still? Are we still exchanging now to

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Speaker 1: this day? I'm sure we are, a matter of fact,

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Speaker 1: it's my opinion. I can't. I don't have any evidence

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Speaker 1: for this at all, but I would. I'm very convinced

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Speaker 1: that we probably have a colony on their planet already,

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Speaker 1: a human colony on their planet, because they treated us

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Speaker 1: that the fact that two of our people chose to

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Speaker 1: stay there, we'll give you some inkling of what it

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Speaker 1: must be like. It was. It must have been rape

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Speaker 1: for those guys didn't have to work anymore. When by

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Speaker 1: now by now we probably have a casino there. You

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Speaker 1: never no wonder what the odds are in that place?

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Speaker 1: What else are they going to do there? You know

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Speaker 1: that's true? Now, when when when our astronauts came back,

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Speaker 1: those that did come back were there like glowing stories

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Speaker 1: of what this other planet was like? What did they say? Well,

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Speaker 1: they were, they were questioned for a solid year, they

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Speaker 1: were kept in they were kept in privacy for a

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Speaker 1: whole year, and that became that's what became the website.

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Speaker 1: All that information, it was actually put into a vault

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Speaker 1: UH in Washington at the Defense a Defense intelligence agency,

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Speaker 1: and it all came out when, um, when we got this,

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Speaker 1: when we got the whole story. Listen to more Coast

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