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Speaker 1: Everybody is Bill Courtney with an army of normal folks.

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Speaker 1: We continue now with part two of our conversation with

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Speaker 1: Mike Flint right after these brief messages from our general sponsors.

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Speaker 2: So I ended up leaving after one semester and went

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Speaker 2: up to Arkansas, and because I was transferring, they couldn't

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Speaker 2: give me a scholarship because Brawls told me, he said,

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Speaker 2: if everything I'm hearing about you is true, you'll have

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Speaker 2: your scholarship at the beginning of next semester.

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Speaker 1: That's close to the Jimmy Jones and all that group.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they had just left. They just they won national

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Speaker 2: championship I think in sixty sixty four.

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Speaker 3: So you came in right behind that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I came in. I was. I came It was

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Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty seven. I was at Arkansas and again

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Speaker 2: I had that that training in fighting, and whenever you're

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Speaker 2: in places like on a college campus with you've got

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Speaker 2: a lot of athletes around, they're in his alcohol involved,

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Speaker 2: They're they're gonna be those little opportunities are are gonna

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Speaker 2: are going to show up. And I ended up having

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Speaker 2: a couple of fights, a couple of fights, and were

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Speaker 2: fights that I started Uh. In fact, there was one

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Speaker 2: fight that a guy challenged. Uh. He was a third

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Speaker 2: degree black belt in karate and all this stuff, and

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Speaker 2: he was going to beat up me in two other

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Speaker 2: football players because we were talking to this girl, you know,

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Speaker 2: she was talking to us. Uh you know, long story short,

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Speaker 2: we're out on the football field. Uh the next day

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Speaker 2: Uh out in the field and the coaches you know, uh,

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Speaker 2: and so they called us all up, and uh, they said,

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Speaker 2: somebody beat up this guy's son yesterday. And he said

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Speaker 2: in karate, and so who did it? On up to

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Speaker 2: it right now? Who did it? I raised my hand

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Speaker 2: and they said who else? And I said, coach, if

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Speaker 2: And I said he he started cussing us, and you know,

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Speaker 2: I don't worry about it. So, but it was it

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Speaker 2: was that kind of thing that kind of followed me.

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Speaker 2: I ended up, you know, I was bound and determined

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Speaker 2: you know, I ended up leaving Arkansas and wound up

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Speaker 2: down at Sol. Ross found out that I was out.

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Speaker 1: Basically, Sullivan Ross State University saw Ross.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh, they contacted me and offered me a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been out for a year and it was

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Speaker 2: it was crazy. I was reclassified one A and this

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Speaker 2: the middle of the Ted offensive in Vietnam. I was drafted.

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Speaker 2: I went in to take my physical. There were like

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Speaker 2: six of us passed. They were failing them. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I ain't change anything nothing. He says, I'm just telling

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Speaker 2: you right now, if you passed your physical during that

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Speaker 3: You got lucky. It just didn't happen, all right.

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Speaker 1: So I'm a soul Ross and at some point you're

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Speaker 3: He's just done here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you know, things had a way of happening

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Speaker 2: saying and he said, who is Mike Flint. But the

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Speaker 2: who's it going to be. They got me up the

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Speaker 2: and he said, I'm sorry, Mike, but I've got to

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Speaker 2: And he said, in fact, the president of the college

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Speaker 2: He said, I don't have to talk to them. Mike.

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Speaker 2: He said, I know what that's say. He said, you're

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Speaker 2: not talking to them either. He said, we've got assistant coach,

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Speaker 2: He said, we want you out of town within the hour.

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Speaker 2: But you got to.

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Speaker 3: Go break your heart.

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Speaker 2: Oh I was. I was devastated. That was my world,

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Speaker 2: And I said, you know now, I've been kicked out

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Speaker 1: How some barriers end up opening other doors. You went

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Speaker 2: oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah. Absolutely rocked my world, you know,

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Speaker 2: and Aileen changed my whole life. You know. She introduced

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Speaker 3: And how long you'll be married?

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Speaker 2: Fifty three years in October?

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Speaker 3: Is that all?

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Speaker 1: Fifty three years? What did she say in an old roughneck?

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Speaker 2: Well, I tell you my Heartead, I have never questioned that.

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Speaker 2: I just I've gone with it, you know, but you know,

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Speaker 3: It's funny the first mention of Aileen and the world

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Speaker 1: Of the stories that your world is and where we're

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and you know it was it was one

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Speaker 3: We'll be right back.

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Speaker 1: And now this has nothing to do with your story,

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Speaker 2: I was at Nebraska in seventy six.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then Oregon seventy eight. Of course Osborne at

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Speaker 2: Hitts Division III. It's a whole new set of rules.

435
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 2: You need to check it out. Well, I couldn't think

436
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 2: about anything else rest they reach it. I mean that

437
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 2: I kept I kept thinking who would I call? Who

438
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 2: could I call to give me some accurate information? It

439
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 2: wouldn't think I was crazy? And I know that he

440
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 2: could could. And then he hit me. A linebacker, coach Jerry larned, Uh.

441
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 2: He was my go to guy when I'd get arrested

442
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 2: and put in jail for fighting me. He'd bailed me out,

443
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 2: run me half kicked me out on the highway one

444
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 2: time and he said get out and run And I

445
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 2: said how far? Coach said till I can't see you

446
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:05,360
Speaker 2: no more? And I said, Coaches is West Texas. It's

447
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 2: a long way Roundel Dart. But I hadn't talked to

448
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 2: him in almost forty years. But I stayed up with

449
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 2: his career. I knew he was in Abilene. I called

450
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 2: directory assistants got a home number for him. His wife

451
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 2: answered the phone and I said, missus, Laureney. I said,

452
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 2: this is Mike Flint. This coach around and she said

453
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 2: Mike Flint. She said, yeah, Mike, he's standing right here. Jerry,

454
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 2: it's Mike Flint on the phone. And coach comes to

455
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 2: the phone. He says, Mike, are you in jail. I said, yeah, Coach,

456
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 2: That's why I'm calling. I said, no, really, I said, seriously,

457
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 2: I said, I I want to find out if I'm

458
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 2: still eligible. I said I want to go back and

459
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 2: play my senior year. And he said how old are you, Mike,

460
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 2: And I said I'm fifty nine. He said, well, I

461
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 2: think you're crazy, and that is the very thing I

462
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 2: was hoping he wouldn't say. But I said, Coach, listen,

463
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 2: I can play. And he said, if you tell me

464
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 2: you can play, I believe you. And I said I

465
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 2: can play. And he's said, okay. We gave me the

466
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 2: name of the rules division of the American Southwest Conference,

467
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 2: the Lone Star Conference, and I called the lady told me.

468
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: She said, you know, we had my transcript went through

469
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 2: it semester by semester and she said, now, how did

470
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 2: you say you are And I said I'm fifty nine

471
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 2: and she said, well, not only are you eligible, but

472
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,959
Speaker 2: I will come watch you play. And so you know,

473
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 2: then Aileen she's.

474
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 1: You know, okay, that was a big question, Ad, And

475
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: Aileen asked you what the hell you were thinking.

476
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 2: Well, she's ignoring me, okay, and.

477
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 3: That's what my wife would do. Yeah, just almost patronized.

478
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 2: So busy and I started calling the president of the college.

479
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 2: I started calling the head coach, the athletic director. I

480
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 2: was calling everybody. And it was early June, and so

481
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 2: I was getting voicemail everywhere. And I got through to

482
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 2: the head coaches secondary and she said, well, he's in,

483
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 2: but guy, he's crazy busy, he's got all this going on.

484
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 2: And then it hit me. I thought, I cannot do this.

485
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 2: My phone. Yeah, I got a good I mean, if

486
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 2: I'm a head coach and fifty nine year old guy

487
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 2: calls me up, must come try out for my team? Hey,

488
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: you know I ain't in that deal real quick, and

489
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 2: so I thought, I got it. I get it. I

490
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 2: gotta go down and to Alpine. I gotta do this.

491
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 2: In person. So I flew to the middle of Odessa,

492
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: rented a car and drove to Alpine and I checked

493
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 2: with his secretary make sure he was going to be in.

494
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 2: I knocked on the face of his door. Coach head

495
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 2: coach sitting at his desk, and he said, uh, yeah,

496
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 2: come on in and uh we sit down. I told him,

497
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 2: when I played at Permian, Uh, the kind of player

498
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 2: was all the scholarships that I had playing here at

499
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 2: Saul Ross, the player that I was here, that I

500
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 2: was team captain, I'd been kicked out, and why all

501
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 2: the colleges where I'd coached after I left and found

502
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 2: out later he was thinking, I want to be a

503
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 2: volunteer coach, And then I told him, I said, Coach,

504
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 2: I want I want a chance to walk on his

505
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 2: team as a linebacker because I feel like if I

506
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 2: can make his team as a linebacker, I can help

507
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 2: a bunch of young men that I don't even know.

508
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 2: But for me, it makes up for those guys I

509
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 2: let down all those years ago, and I need see.

510
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 3: I read that.

511
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: And it flips it from you being a crazy guy

512
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: wanting to relive glory years to a man who is

513
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: trying to erase the biggest regret of his life through

514
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: serving others.

515
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 3: That's effectively what you're trying to do for me.

516
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 2: I knew that I couldn't change the past, but I

517
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 2: thought I can change the meaning of the past. If

518
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 2: I can help a bunch of young men now and

519
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 2: substitute it for those guys that I let down, then

520
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: for me, that changes the meaning of my past. And

521
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 2: that was what I wanted to do. And uh, he said,

522
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 2: you want to play? And I said, yes, I want

523
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 2: to play linebacker. And he said, well wait, He said

524
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 2: when were you at Permian And I said in nineteen

525
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 2: sixty five And he said, uh, how old did you

526
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 2: say you are? I said I'm fifty nine. And about

527
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 2: that time that assistant had come.

528
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 3: Eight years older than him.

529
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right. Assistant. Head coach sticks his head in

530
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: the door and he says, coach, you got a bunch

531
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 2: kids down on field waiting on you. And he said, oh, man, Mike,

532
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 2: he said, I totally forgot. He said, I got I

533
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 2: got a munch freshman here for orientation that I told

534
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 2: him to be down on the field. I want to

535
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 2: see what kind of speed they've got and what kind

536
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: of shape there and he said, I got to get

537
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 2: down there. And he thought he's rid of me, you know,

538
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: And I said, yeah, I said can I Can I

539
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,239
Speaker 2: go with you? So he took me down there. He

540
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 2: told him get stretched out, choose teams, and I said,

541
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 2: can I join them? And he looked at the assistant

542
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 2: head coach and he just shrugged his shoulders and he said, yeah,

543
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 2: I guess you can joining on.

544
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 3: We'll be right back.

545
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 2: We got out there and then they no just in

546
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 2: shorts and I had on some nylon baggy jeans and

547
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 2: a T shirt. It was about ninety five degrees. It's

548
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 2: about two three o'clock in the afternoon.

549
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 3: And nice ball me in West Texas.

550
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 2: We're about one hundred miles from Mexico. And so I basically,

551
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 2: you know, got out there stressed out, and then they

552
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 2: picked teams. I was last one picked, of course. And uh.

553
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 2: Then we lined up, got ready to start and he

554
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 2: blew the whistle and he said, wait a minute, this

555
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: is gonna be this is gonna be total uh chaos.

556
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 2: He said, you guys on this side take shirts off.

557
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 2: Y'all will be skins and you guys will be shirts.

558
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 2: And so I was on skins to have taken my

559
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 2: shirt off. So we lined up the whistle and we

560
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 2: ran and we ran and we ran. I mean and

561
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: uh it was NonStop for almost an hour. And uh.

562
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 2: He blew the whistle, called us up, told him get

563
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: the orientation you guys might come on. I'll take you

564
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 2: back to your car, he told me. He said, Uh,

565
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: you be in my office in the morning at nine o'clock.

566
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: I'll give you an answers to whether or not you

567
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 2: can walk on this team. He said, I got a

568
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 2: million things going through my mind. Well, I was there

569
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 2: next morning. His whole staff was there. He introduced me

570
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 2: to everybody, and then he said, you know, uh, and

571
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 2: I got to tell you. Uh. I expected, uh, total

572
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 2: chaos when I'll let you get out there with those

573
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 2: freshmen and run, But he said, man, you blended. He said,

574
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 2: you can run with them, he said, And I had

575
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 2: questions in my mind that I had to have an

576
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 2: answer for before I could give you an answer whether

577
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 2: or not you can walk on to this team. He said.

578
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 2: Number one, it's physical. Could a fifty nine year old

579
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: guy physically play college football? He said, watching you run

580
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 2: with those freshmen, there's no doubt in my mind that

581
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 2: physically you can do this, and don't you ever take

582
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 2: your shirt off around me again. He was fifty two,

583
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: and he said. The second thing was a reason for

584
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 2: you to come back at your age to play your

585
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 2: senior year. You'd have to have an incredible reason. And

586
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 2: he said, but I got to be honest with you.

587
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 2: He said, I cannot think of a better reason than

588
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 2: the one you've given me to help a bunch of

589
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: young men that you don't even know, to make up

590
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,239
Speaker 2: for those guys you let down all those years ago.

591
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 2: He said, I think that's an incredible reason, he said.

592
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: The third thing was desire passion. He said, to go

593
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 2: through what we're going to put you through in two

594
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 2: days to make this team, you're going to have to

595
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 2: have a tremendous amount of desire. He said, But I

596
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: can to see it in your eyes. I can hear

597
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 2: in your voice. You probably got more desire than a

598
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 2: kid we got on this team. He said, you'd be

599
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 2: here August twelve. I'm gonna give you a chest, make

600
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: a steam. And what did you think when he said that, Well,

601
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 2: it was you know, it was hard to really imagine

602
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 2: everything that was that was coming and was going to happen.

603
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 2: I was so excited until I got outside the building

604
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 2: and I remembered that last hurdle that I had that

605
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 2: had to be dealt with. And her name was Eileen.

606
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 2: And so I get back and she's got a list

607
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 2: of houses fir As to go look at. And I

608
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 2: told her. I said, I, honey, we're going back to college.

609
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 2: We're moving down to Texas. Coach gonna give me a

610
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 2: chance to make the team. And she really got.

611
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 3: Upset with me. I bet she did. Yeah, she told me,

612
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 3: had not imagine.

613
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 2: I cannot believe, at fifty nine years old that you

614
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 2: don't want to go back and try to play college football.

615
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 2: She said, I feel like I'm married to Peter Pan,

616
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: she said, and then it hit me. I had never

617
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 2: shared it with her. I had never told her, and

618
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 2: I set her down and I said, look, I have

619
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 2: spent over half my life living with the regret over

620
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 2: a mistake that I made, and coach now is going

621
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,720
Speaker 2: to give me a chance to rewrite that last chapter

622
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 2: in my athletic career. And I've got to try.

623
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 3: I said.

624
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 2: I may not make the team. I said, I may

625
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 2: get down here and not make the team. I said,

626
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 2: but I've got to go try I said, to have

627
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 2: a chance and not go try. For me, that'd be

628
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 2: getting worse than getting kicked out the first time. And

629
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 2: I said, and then to live the rest of my

630
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 2: life asking myself, what if, what if I could have

631
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 2: made that team? I said, Honey, I got to go try.

632
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,479
Speaker 2: And she said, I had no idea. She said, well,

633
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 2: if she was on another foot, you'd do it for me.

634
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 2: So let's go play football.

635
00:35:55,400 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 3: It's unbelievable. So tell me about it. Well, let me

636
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 3: let me tell you, just to let you know.

637
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: I remember this story, and I hadn't thought about it

638
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: in some years until Alex told me that Angel Studios

639
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 1: was making the movie that's basically based on your book

640
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: that's about this.

641
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 3: But I do remember it, and I remember ESPN covering it.

642
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it made an it was a national thing,

643
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 1: but that's not what it was about.

644
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 3: For you.

645
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: You weren't looking for headlines or any of that mess.

646
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 2: And it was for me. I didn't. I didn't want

647
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 2: anyone to know. In fact, when I announced at our

648
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 2: church my pastor, I told him that we were going

649
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 2: to be gone for a few months and he, you know,

650
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 2: he said, you're doing what he said. He said you've

651
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 2: got to tell the congress.

652
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,240
Speaker 3: We need to put some hands on you.

653
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 2: Said, we got to tell the congregation about this. So

654
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 2: he had me announced it. I couldn't already get out

655
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 2: of church, I mean, and I told Alan, I said,

656
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 2: keep talking about a book and a movie. And I said,

657
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 2: who cares about an old man going back Blake college football?

658
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 2: I just didn't get it. And then get down to

659
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 2: Alpine and coach told me where to go get my physical.

660
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 2: And I go to get my physical and the nurse

661
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,720
Speaker 2: looks at my chart and she said, uh, okay, coach,

662
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 2: we're doing the coaches next week. This is the players

663
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 2: this week. And I said, I'm a player and she

664
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 2: said you're born in nineteen forty eight. You gonna play?

665
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 2: I said, yes, ma'am. And then I get down and

666
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 2: get my equipment. And I'm standing in line with all

667
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 2: the guys, and you know, one of the guys a

668
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 2: bouncing around, goofing off. Everybody keeps coming over at me,

669
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 2: looking at me, and he said, so, are you gonna

670
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 2: coach or what? I said, No, man, I'm here to play.

671
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 2: And he said to play, old you and I said,

672
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 2: I'm fifty to fifty nine. He starts hollering. Everybody's coming around.

673
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 3: But how'd the kids take you? At first?

674
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: They didn't know, They really didn't know. We we put

675
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: those hem it's on. See. I was blessed when I

676
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 2: was young, and I was never hurt. I didn't have

677
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 2: knee problems, but I didn't have shoulder problems. I didn't

678
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 2: I had.

679
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,439
Speaker 3: You were fifty nine, though, bro, Yeah.

680
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: That was the thing. Yeah, and so.

681
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 3: Joints and ligaments.

682
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 2: And the very first difference. Yeah, the very first day,

683
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 2: coach says, hey, listen, we're gonna find out what color

684
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 2: of your blood is as he yellow as it red.

685
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 2: And if we don't find out a station one, we've

686
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 2: got six stations. By the time you get station six,

687
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 2: we're gonna know. I mean, it's just hard nose football.

688
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 2: It was. It was fantastic. It was just you know,

689
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 2: it was the game. And uh, and that's when I

690
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 2: found out. You know, I never played fifty football on

691
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 2: a fifty nine year old body before. And you don't

692
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: get over the sordus like you do when you're young.

693
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 2: When you're eighteen and nineteen and three or four days

694
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 2: you're really sore, but then you're good to go. I mean,

695
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 2: you're it never stopped. I didn't think there's gonna be

696
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,240
Speaker 2: enough in Alpine, Texas.

697
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: You can as your ankle, your gaysia, elbow, your shoulder,

698
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: you're going to ice your hip.

699
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, And I was halfway, but I was, you know,

700
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 2: halfway through the season before I finally got to a

701
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 2: point where I could manage the soreness. But I did.

702
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: I had after that first practice day one, the sowrener

703
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: started never left.

704
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was uh, it was incredible.

705
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 3: It was just did you get some licks?

706
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah?

707
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 3: Were to yeah?

708
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. See. That was the thing about my teammates

709
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 2: that they respected about me first of all, that I

710
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 2: could run. You know, they they would see me out

711
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 2: there on the field with my helmet on and they

712
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 2: couldn't sell, just like just like everybody else. But you

713
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 2: know how it is with football, with your teammates, you

714
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 2: can you can tell someone you can spot them by

715
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 2: their calves. You can tell by the way they've run,

716
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 2: you know they are. And they knew I was, you know,

717
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 2: and uh so, But for me, it was all about

718
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 2: it became number one was preservation. You know, I knew

719
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 2: I could tell that my body was not that I

720
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 2: could not fly around like I did when I was

721
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 2: in my early twenties, hitting people and stuff. But in

722
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: a lot of the drills, you know, I had no

723
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 2: choice and I bowlged too disk in my neck. When

724
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 2: it was towards the end of two days getting close

725
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 2: to I'd already made the team. Coach it announced that

726
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: I'd made the team. And it's one of those really

727
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 2: gratifying things because he came up to me and he said, hey,

728
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 2: you earned this. He made this team, and.

729
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 3: We're not doing it for newspaper clippings. You earned it.

730
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 2: No, yeah, And then he said that on camera, he

731
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: said he legitly made this team because there were people

732
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 2: that were asking because he closed the practices.

733
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: He would not he didn't want everybody around make a

734
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: circus office. Yeah, it was so well, yeah, so how

735
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 1: much did you actually get to play that senior year,

736
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: that senior fifty nine? You know what's funny is you

737
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: played your senior year as a senior citizen.

738
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. That's where the that's where Jamie Earon, the AP

739
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 2: writer is the one that came up with the name.

740
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 2: He said, do you have your AARP card? And I said, yeah,

741
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: I do. He said, okay, So you're a senior and

742
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,959
Speaker 2: you're playing your senior year. So he said, I think

743
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,919
Speaker 2: that it's a pretty good name.

744
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 3: So how much were we able to play? How much

745
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 3: did you get get to play?

746
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 2: I played in five the last five games of the season.

747
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 3: What's your body? Heel up enough to let you play?

748
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 2: Yeah? It was the the Orthopedi has told me. When

749
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 2: I bolted those discs in my neck, he told me,

750
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 2: he said, this is this is over, man, he said,

751
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 2: this is over. And I told him. I said, look,

752
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 2: I've got a PhD in Mike Flint, I know my body.

753
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 2: I said, you tell me what I need to do

754
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 2: to get you to release me to play, and I'll

755
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 2: get it done. And he said okay. So he did

756
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 2: and I did. But he told me I had I

757
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 2: had a great conversation with him about it, and he

758
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 2: said that you know who Kevin Everett is and I did.

759
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 2: He was that young man for the Buffalo Bills that

760
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 2: ruptured those same two disks that I bulged, and had

761
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 2: it not been for cryogenics them freezing his neck on

762
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 2: the field, he would have died on the field. But

763
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 2: he said, you're fifty nine, and he said, you can't

764
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,959
Speaker 2: you can't stick your head in there again. And I said,

765
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 2: I listen. I said, I have enough body awareness that

766
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: I can I can prevent that, I can make that

767
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 2: choice that I won't do that. I said, but I

768
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 2: can use my shoulders, I can use my hands and

769
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 2: my arms. You know, I'm not going to take on

770
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 2: people anymore. And he said, okay, and I release you

771
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 2: to play and Coach Wright, you know, he just asked me.

772
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 2: He said, what can you do? You tell me and

773
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 2: I said, I, coach, I can play that blocking back

774
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 2: on extra points field goals and uh, I said, I

775
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 2: you know no one will run over me. I can

776
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 2: tell you that right now that it won't happen. And

777
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 2: he said I know that. So h. I played linebacker

778
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 2: one time for about four minutes. Uh uh in one game.

779
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 3: What was that like? It was?

780
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 2: Uh? It was surreal.

781
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 3: And I was about to.

782
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: Say that had to have been almost a dream you

783
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,720
Speaker 1: talk about, Peter Pan, I mean, yeah, yeah, it almost

784
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: had to be a fairy tale at fift nine years old,

785
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: to be on a college football field and actually getting

786
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: to play linebacker.

787
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. I was in on some tackles. I

788
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 2: didn't I wasn't the guy that I was when I

789
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 2: was younger, but I was in on some tackles. And

790
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 2: I think one of the most gratifying things for me

791
00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 2: was the young man Fernie, the linebacker that I took

792
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 2: his place. How excited he was for me to be

793
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 2: able to play because he knew what it meant to me.

794
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 2: We were out there together in drills and everything throughout

795
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:14,399
Speaker 2: the whole you know, the whole season, and he knew

796
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 2: my heart. He he was we were really close and

797
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 2: it was him I replaced at linebacker.

798
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: More than the football. Did you get to reach the

799
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: goal of being able to serve your teammates that you

800
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: weren't able to serve those four decades?

801
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 2: Oh?

802
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 3: I did. I did tell me about that.

803
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 2: You know. It was. It was so gratifying to me

804
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 2: because we had one young man, JJ and I'll actually

805
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 2: see him again for the first time in seventeen years.

806
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 2: He'll be at the at the premiere. Real hot head,

807
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 2: I mean.

808
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 3: He just he was extremined you of anybody.

809
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well for me, I wasn't a hot head.

810
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 3: I was I was just you're measured.

811
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 2: Was confident. I was just you know, hey, But but jjuh,

812
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 2: he would he would take things personal and I was

813
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 2: just constantly, constantly talking to him because the talent was there,

814
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 2: the ability was there, and he had all these leadership

815
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 2: qualities that he was suppressing because of his anger, and

816
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 2: I was able to help him deal with Yeah. I

817
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,760
Speaker 2: was able to help him deal with that. And then Jeremy, Uh,

818
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 2: fantastic talent. The very first you've seen the movie the

819
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 2: kid that I'm walking off the field with. And I

820
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 2: asked him, well, you know where you study and he said,

821
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:39,760
Speaker 2: I'm going to be a want to be a teacher.

822
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 2: I want to be a third grade teacher. Well that happened.

823
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 2: That was Jeremy, and I asked him. I thought, that's

824
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 2: you know, that's the unusual. I said why third grade

825
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: and he said, because when I was in the third grade,

826
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 2: I had a teacher that was a father figure to me.

827
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 2: I didn't have a father at home. And he said

828
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,439
Speaker 2: it was a father figure not only in the third grade,

829
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 2: but all the way through elementary school. And he said,

830
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 2: I want to do that for some other kids. Well,

831
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 2: Jeremy's not at practice. One day, Jeremy and I became

832
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 2: very close friends, and I knew coach had told us,

833
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 2: you know, hey, you don't practice, you're gone, and so

834
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: I asked around. I thought maybe he was hurt, and

835
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 2: nobody had seen him. And next day I see him

836
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 2: on campus and I said, you know, Jeremy, what's up?

837
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:32,439
Speaker 2: And he said, I'm going home. Mike, I'm gonna quit.

838
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 2: And I said, Jeremy, why would you quit? I mean,

839
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,919
Speaker 2: guys unbelievable. He's got four or four speed, one hundred

840
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:46,439
Speaker 2: and ninety pounds, tough as nails. And he started telling

841
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 2: me about three guys on campus that started bullying him

842
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 2: and he was going to square up and fight with him.

843
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 2: And then he thought, I can't whip all three of

844
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 2: these guys, and he said, I just went back to

845
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 2: my room. He said, I didn't do anything. He said,

846
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 2: I'm so ashamed myself. He said, I just I just

847
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 2: want to go home. I want to quit. And I

848
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 2: scrabbed him. I said, Jeremy, I said, I am so

849
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 2: proud of you. I said, I was never able to

850
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,439
Speaker 2: do that. It was always about Mike Flint, a couple

851
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 2: of minutes of self satisfaction and what I wanted. I

852
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 2: never thought about the consequences. I never thought about anyone

853
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 2: else and how my poor decisions might impact them, and

854
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 2: I said, Jeremy, it cost me everything. And I said,

855
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 2: but Jeremy, you may be an All American here at

856
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 2: al Ross because of that one right decision that you made.

857
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 2: And I said, and what about those third grade kids

858
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 2: didn't need you? I said, Jeremy, you can't quit. And

859
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 2: he said, Mike man Man, you said you're making me

860
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 2: feel great. He said, I'm not going to quit. I

861
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 2: am going to stay. I am going to try to

862
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 2: be an All American. And I said, Jeremy, but just

863
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 2: one thing I need to know, and that is where

864
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 2: can I find those guys? And he started laughing at me.

865
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 2: But Jeremy got his degree and became the third grade teacher.

866
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 3: That's phenomenal. We'll be right back.

867
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 2: And there were others. There are other things that happened

868
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 2: that I was able to help those guys. And then

869
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 2: I've got to tell you this one story.

870
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 3: Tell me.

871
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 2: At homecoming, twenty six of my former teammates came back

872
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 2: to watch me play and we all met on the

873
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 2: field before the game. I had a group hug. One

874
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 2: of them grabbed me and might we keep reading about

875
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,479
Speaker 2: you said you let us down all those years ago.

876
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,879
Speaker 2: We knew that fight wasn't your fault, and we never

877
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 2: blamed you for that. And besides, look, because you came

878
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 2: back to play, we're all back together again. So God,

879
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 2: in his mercy, gave me that forgiveness that I needed

880
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 2: from my former teammate to overcome that greatest regret in

881
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 2: my life. I was able to help a bunch of

882
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 2: young men that I didn't even know when I went

883
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 2: into it. And so God gave me everything I asked for,

884
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 2: everything I wanted, he gave me, and I was ready

885
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 2: to walk away with that. I was ecstatic with that,

886
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 2: and so all of this has been a bonus. It's

887
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 2: just it's just a God thing.

888
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: What's it like as a fifty nine year old person

889
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 1: to call a twenty three year old college kid you're frimmed?

890
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 2: Well, I guess it was my mindset and because of

891
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 2: what we were doing and the fact that I was

892
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 2: able to get down on their level physically and do

893
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 2: the things that we did. And for me, I've always

894
00:49:56,560 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 2: been a huge fan of time travel movies, you know,

895
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 2: somewhere in time, back to the future, and and for me,

896
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 2: that's what it was like, going back on that same

897
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 2: field that I'd played on almost forty years before, going

898
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 2: through all those drills with those young guys. You know,

899
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 2: no kick mirrors out there for me to see the wrinkles,

900
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 2: And it was just like I've gone back in time,

901
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 2: but this time I knew. I knew how fast it

902
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 2: was going to go by. I knew I was going

903
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 2: to turn around and it was going to be over.

904
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 2: And I didn't waste one second of it. I mean

905
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 2: I I was not going to wait until it was

906
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 2: a memory to appreciate it. All the pain, all the disappointments,

907
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 2: the setbacks that I had and things like that, the

908
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 2: danger and all that. I rejoiced in every minute of

909
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 2: it because I knew. You hear people talk about, you know,

910
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 2: we're running out of time. It's never we're walking out

911
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 2: of time or we're jogging out of time. We're running

912
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 2: out of time. And I knew how fast time was

913
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 2: going to go by, and I just my relationship with

914
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 2: those young guys was so special to me because of

915
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,919
Speaker 2: how special I was to them. Other people would say,

916
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 2: soul Ross, is that where that old man is playing? Hey,

917
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 2: that old man has got a name. It's Mike. Now,

918
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 2: no man will kick your and that would go to

919
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 2: bat for me because I was one of them. And uh,

920
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 2: and that, probably more than any other intangible thing, was

921
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 2: the greatest blessing that came out of it. They're going

922
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 2: to be there for the premiere. Several of them are

923
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 2: coming back.

924
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 3: That's phenomenal. I have a question.

925
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,240
Speaker 1: In college, a lot of the girlfriends of the players

926
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 1: sit together, and I guess, did I lead.

927
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 3: Suit with them?

928
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,240
Speaker 1: Because I assume my lead's about to save age.

929
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 3: That's a whole another dynamic. Did she did she come

930
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 3: to all the games?

931
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 2: Oh?

932
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 3: Yes, she's scared to death.

933
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 2: She was. She was my first call every day at practice.

934
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 2: I mean I got to the locker and I called her,

935
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 2: you know, and uh, I'm okay, I'm okay. Uh and uh.

936
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 3: But she was scared. She had to have been well.

937
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 2: She was. She was really apprehensive, and she was angry

938
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 2: at times, particularly after I bolt the disk in my neck,

939
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 2: because she sit in on those meetings with the orthopedist

940
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 2: and she heard him telling me this is over, and

941
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 2: she's sitting her not and yeah, it's over, it's over.

942
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 2: And uh. And my son got real upset with me

943
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 2: about that, you know, he said, Dad, you know, what

944
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 2: if you wind up my wheelchair? What about mom or worse.

945
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 2: You know, this this dream is now a nightmare. And

946
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 2: uh but I I just you know, I you know,

947
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 2: I just didn't feel that it was over. But as

948
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 2: far as the baby boomers, my age group, they showed

949
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 2: up in I mean huge numbers. Aileen was surrounded by

950
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 2: by dozens and dozens I bet of friends from you know,

951
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 2: She's meeting all these people that I knew back, you know,

952
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 2: you know all these years ago.

953
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 3: I looks told me that you told him.

954
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: That that year that enrollment went up twenty percent.

955
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 2: At Soul Ross. Yeah, the president of the college told me.

956
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 2: He said, you know, he said, I went to a

957
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 2: Division III conference in Atlanta, and he said, you know,

958
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 2: I've gone to different conferences around the country where they

959
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 2: have them and for the Division three schools, and he said, people,

960
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 2: I tell them, you know, I'm president at Soul Ross.

961
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 2: And you know there was well, where is that? You know,

962
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 2: where's that? He said, I'm in the airport in Atlanta,

963
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 2: and it's on the screen, there's the gate soul Raw

964
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 2: State University. Mike Flint, fifty nine year old football He said,

965
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 2: everybody knew who where Soul Ross was. And he said,

966
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 2: that's never happened before. And he told me we've had

967
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 2: a twenty percent increase in enrollment.

968
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 3: There was the days in Io you might have made

969
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 3: a dollar.

970
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you and Eileen back in Franklin living a

971
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 1: normal life.

972
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we when it when it all when it

973
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 2: all ended. We came back to Franklin. We always knew

974
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 2: we would, and bought his house in Franklin, and uh,

975
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 2: you know, I started having speaking engagements you know how

976
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 2: that is, you know, uh, all over the country and

977
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 2: h spoke a lot of different places and a lot

978
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 2: of churches, and uh got involved and doing a lot

979
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 2: of different things, and then with my fitness business and

980
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 2: and so all is while the the movie business is,

981
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 2: you know, pecking away at the door, you know, like it,

982
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 2: and we begin to realize that more than likely it's

983
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 2: not going to happen.

984
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: It's one of those Yeah, most people say, oh, it's

985
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: a great story. Here's a book, right, make a movie

986
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: a movie actually getting made and then brought to an

987
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: audience as a miracle that that the business of movie making,

988
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: the art of movie making, and the and the distribution

989
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: of movie making. When those three pieces of business converge

990
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: and come together and it actually sees the light of day.

991
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: It's actual miracle. I mean, most people don't understand. Literally,

992
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 1: there are thousands of movies every year that are canned

993
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 1: that will never see the light of day, that never

994
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 1: get promotion, that never get distribution, that just don't It's

995
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: a crazy business, the movie business. So when you say

996
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: you come to the realization that the movie will probably

997
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: never happen, and you've had a nice run with your book,

998
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: you just speaking again. It's got a great life, amazing story.

999
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 1: Probably not going to be a movie that is that

1000
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: is not all shucks, false humility, that's just reality of

1001
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: that ridiculous specim.

1002
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's a self protection mechanism that you just

1003
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 2: you know, you can't do this roller coaster, you know.

1004
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 2: And but you know, Mel Gibson, we had a group

1005
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 2: put up twenty five million in escrow and Mel Gibson

1006
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 2: was going to play me. Then he backed out and

1007
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 2: within the last thirty days he just said that I

1008
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 2: can't do it physically, I cannot do this. And Kevin

1009
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 2: Costner same thing. He had knee surgery and there's no

1010
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 2: way that he could do it after his knee surgery.

1011
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 2: And Kurt Russell and he was too old, you know,

1012
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,919
Speaker 2: And so it was a it.

1013
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: Was the reality of being fifty nine of football in

1014
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:09,720
Speaker 1: the face.

1015
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, finding someone, you know. Tim McGraw was going to

1016
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 2: step up and do it and and then ended up

1017
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 2: backing out. And so I thought, you know, this is

1018
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 2: this is just it's just too difficult.

1019
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 1: And at some and at one point, who cares. I've

1020
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: got a great life and this has been a great experience. Whatever,

1021
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:27,919
Speaker 1: move on.

1022
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 2: But Mark she already he is like a pit bull,

1023
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 2: you know. He just said, man, look, he said, I

1024
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 2: I have made eighteen great sports movies.

1025
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 3: Tell those some of the ones he's made.

1026
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 2: Miracle on Ice, the Rookie, the Rookie Invincible, Uh, Secretariat.

1027
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 3: Secretariat is a great movie. Yeah, yeah, great movie.

1028
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. They were Uh, they were just all great, wonderful movies.

1029
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 2: And he became my barometer. You Basically, he's very conservative.

1030
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 2: And he called me up. He said, hey, uh, we

1031
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 2: got a group that will put up one hundred percent

1032
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 2: of the money they want to make this movie and

1033
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 2: then we'll start. Now they've already got a director hired,

1034
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 2: and so that was wayfairer. And uh, they stepped up

1035
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 2: and God was in the middle of the whole thing.

1036
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 2: And it was just because in my contract my attorney

1037
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 2: told me. I said, look, I want you to uh

1038
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 2: wayfair sent the contract and he looked at it and

1039
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 2: he said this is this looks great. And I said,

1040
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 2: uh okay, John, I want you to add a clause

1041
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 2: stating that they will not take the Lord's name in

1042
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 2: vain in this movie and they will not use the

1043
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 2: name of Jesus in a disrespectful manner. And he said,

1044
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 2: you're gonna You're gonna blow this. And I said why

1045
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 2: and he said, this is Hollywood, that's their creative license.

1046
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 2: And he said you is there not to allow you

1047
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 2: to take that And I said, well put it in there.

1048
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 2: He called me up. He said they signed it. He

1049
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 2: said they signed it exactly as you have it, and

1050
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 2: so I said okay. And the whole atmosphere of the

1051
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 2: of the shoot we were there for the fifty two

1052
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 2: days that they shot the film where they shoot it

1053
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 2: in the Fort Worth area, Fort Worth and Texas, and

1054
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 2: it was it was filmed during football season, so there

1055
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 2: were five different fields that we were having to jockey

1056
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 2: around depending on It's.

1057
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 3: An expensive proposition making a football movie.

1058
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And.

1059
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: So tell everybody who plays your character and who directed it?

1060
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 2: Rod Luriy directed it. Rod Lury was basically the couple

1061
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 2: of movies that that he had done. The last Outpost

1062
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 2: about the bloodiest battle in the Afghan War. There were

1063
00:59:56,840 --> 01:00:00,439
Speaker 2: two Americans that received the Congressional Medal of Honor from

1064
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 2: that battle, and that's hadn't happened in over fifty years.

1065
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 2: But and then Michael Chickliss played me, and uh was

1066
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 2: absolutely amazing. Yeah. Mary Stuart Masterson played Eileen. Rob Coudrey

1067
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 2: played the coach, and he was amazing because he's always

1068
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 2: played a comedic role and and he brought that kind

1069
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 2: of comedian background in his facial expressions and the way

1070
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 2: he would say.

1071
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:38,959
Speaker 1: Things, which which fits because it is a little incredulous. Yeah,

1072
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: and so it type casts a little Yeah. Are you

1073
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:43,959
Speaker 1: pleased with the film?

1074
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 2: I am? I really am. And there were some some

1075
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 2: things about it that, uh were not accurate.

1076
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 1: From a standpoint of every movie takes they have to

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Speaker 1: take a little license.

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Speaker 3: Listen, to tell.

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Speaker 1: A life story in two hours and ten minutes, Yeah,

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01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: it's impossible to do without taking a little artistic license.

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Speaker 3: But as long as the theme is right and.

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Speaker 1: Anytimes frame is right, and yeah, and so I was,

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01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 1: I was, people want to know more than can just

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01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: buy the book and read it.

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01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I was okay. I was okay with it.

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01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 2: And so you know Mike, Michael Chicklis and the effort

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01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 2: that he put in and here's here was the thing.

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01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 2: And you'll see he's I think he's sixty one now

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01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 2: he was fifty nine. Wow when he played it. Uh.

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Speaker 2: But the here's what you'll appreciate that I recognized that

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01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 2: was to me supreme in what he did was mentoring

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01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 2: those young actors. We have some incredible young actors that

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Speaker 2: it's going to show up in this film. People are

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01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 2: going to say, oh my gosh, those guys are amazing.

1095
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 2: And when he wasn't doing his part, he was helping them.

1096
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 2: They were asking him questions, he was giving them examples

1097
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 2: of things in the way that should say things, and

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01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 2: it made them so much.

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Speaker 3: Better and it created it isn't that ironic.

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01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just created an environment that the whole group

1101
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 2: took on. It was like it was contagious.

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Speaker 3: We'll be right back. So here's the deal. Mike.

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Speaker 1: First of all, what an amazing story. And I'm so

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01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: glad that people through this film are going to be

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01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 1: able to see it. And again, everybody, it's Angel Studios.

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01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 1: The senior September nineteenth mirror will be in Franklin, Tennessee,

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01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 1: and then you can go to Angel Studios once everything's

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01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 1: out and watch the movie of Mike's Increase will.

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01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 3: In theaters across the country. How many theaters, Mike?

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01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 2: About two thousand?

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01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, about two thousand.

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Speaker 2: I mean I went in. The premiere is in Bedford,

1113
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 2: between for Dallas.

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01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 3: I thought it was in Franklin.

1115
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 2: It's it's in Bedford. The eighth of September is the premiere.

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01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 2: The release is the nineteen.

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01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 1: The release is nineteen. Thanks for clearing that and all

1118
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 1: of that's cool. And I love telling your story and

1119
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 1: I love meeting you because we're football freaks. And the

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Speaker 1: other reason is is because I remember the story and

1121
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 1: to come full circle and I bet you. But as

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01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 1: it pertains to an army in normal folks, as it

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01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 1: attains to the work that Alex is trying to do

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01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 1: and the inspiration that we're doing, and certainly there's a

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01:03:56,040 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 1: ton of inspiration in your story. But I want to

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01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: I want to sign off with giving you an opportunity

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01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 1: to speak to our audience about this It's never too late.

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Speaker 3: Maybe one thing too. I don't think we covered it. Uh,

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Speaker 3: I mean, none of this is almost happening. You almost

1130
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 3: ended your life at one point too.

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01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well that was my uh that was my

1132
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 2: salvation story.

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Speaker 3: And well that also fits with it's never too late.

1134
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so tell us about that and encourage our listeners

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01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 1: to understand it really is never too late.

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01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's it's it's so true. And I had

1137
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 2: in my relationship with Eileen. We'd been married ten years,

1138
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 2: we had our two oldest children, and I had been

1139
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 2: patient with her in she wanted to go to church.

1140
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 2: I'd go to church, she wanted to pray, we'd pray.

1141
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 2: I was so proud. I didn't feel like I need

1142
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 2: anybody dying for me, and you know I would. I

1143
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 2: would go through the motions because that was what she

1144
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 2: required of me. I had no personal relationship with Christ,

1145
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 2: and God knocked me to my knees. We'd been married,

1146
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 2: I was thirty four years old, and I'd been drinking

1147
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 2: a lot, and some financial things that happened, and I

1148
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 2: just told Aileen one Monday. We lived on a golf

1149
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 2: course in Austin, and the golf course was closed, and

1150
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 2: I told her, I said, you know, I think the

1151
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 2: easiest thing for me to do is get my pistol

1152
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 2: and go in that closet and just get this over.

1153
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 2: And with my violent past, it scared her and she

1154
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 2: just dropped everything, grabbed me by the hand. She said,

1155
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 2: come on with me, and we went out on that

1156
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 2: golf course and we walked, and I never realized the

1157
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 2: depth of her relationship with the Lord. She just started

1158
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 2: quoting scripture to me. She started explaining to me about

1159
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 2: her relationship with Christ and what mine should be and

1160
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 2: what it could be. And she kept loving on me,

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01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 2: and she kept holding me, and she kept talking to me,

1162
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 2: and somehow I just knew. I knew that things were

1163
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 2: going to be okay. I didn't know how, but I

1164
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:35,479
Speaker 2: just knew they were. And then I realized I didn't

1165
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 2: know anything about God. I knew nothing. I'd never read

1166
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 2: the Bible, and I started trying to read my Bible

1167
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,439
Speaker 2: is like eating dry cereal, and I'd read the page

1168
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 2: and I won't even know what I read. You know,

1169
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 2: I think, oh my gosh. And Ian had bought a

1170
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 2: sixteen volume set of children's Bible stories for our kids.

1171
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 2: And had pictures and all this stuff. I took one

1172
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 2: down and started reading it and had all the pictures

1173
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 2: and everything. Yeah, and I got it, and I read

1174
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 2: the whole sixteen I read all sixteen volumes of it,

1175
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 2: and then I went back to my Bible and it

1176
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 2: made sense to me. I got it, and I made

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01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 2: a profession of faith in Christ. And I was on

1178
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 2: the Joni Show in two thousand and nine and she

1179
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 2: asked me about my relationship with the Lord, and I

1180
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 2: told that story. Well, a couple of years later, I'm

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01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 2: in Franklin, Tennessee, in a cafe in downtown Franklin. I'm

1182
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 2: there with some guys from church and we're in a meeting.

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01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 2: We're talking and this guy walks up and I can

1184
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 2: tell peripheral vision that he's looking at me. And this

1185
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 2: is just part of my past. I know stuff like that.

1186
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 2: I don't miss any of that, and so I know

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01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 2: that this guy. I'm thinking, this guy's looking at me,

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01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking he's recognized me from church, and he's

1189
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 2: not sure and everything. So finally I looked over at

1190
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 2: him and smiled at him, and he said, or you,

1191
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 2: Mike Flint, And I said I am And he walked

1192
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 2: over to me and he was shaken and he said,

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01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 2: I cannot believe that I am meeting you. He said,

1194
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 2: I can't believe this. He said, I just moved here

1195
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:25,640
Speaker 2: from San Diego, and he said, I've only been here

1196
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks. But he said, a couple of

1197
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:33,919
Speaker 2: years ago, I had put a hose in the exhaust

1198
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 2: pipe of my car and had it in the window

1199
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:41,800
Speaker 2: of my car, and I was getting ready to end

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01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 2: my life. And I walked back in the garage, out

1201
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 2: of the garage into my kitchen and my TV was

1202
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:54,679
Speaker 2: on and you were on a show talking and he said,

1203
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 2: I think it was The Joney Show and I said yeah.

1204
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 2: And he said you told about you were getting ready

1205
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:04,679
Speaker 2: to commit suicide and you gave your life to Christ.

1206
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 2: And he said. I just laid down on the floor

1207
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 2: and I said, God, if you do it for Mike,

1208
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 2: you do it for me. And he said, I just

1209
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 2: wanted you to know that you played a part in

1210
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:24,720
Speaker 2: saving my life. I was overwhelmed by God in his

1211
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 2: mercy showing me that sending that man into my life.

1212
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 2: And forever from that point forward, I tell people, listen,

1213
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 2: if you're in pain, don't be ashamed to share that.

1214
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:43,639
Speaker 2: You have no idea how that might help or touch

1215
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 2: somebody else's life. The little things that you may not

1216
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 2: think are important, that you may be ashamed of, but

1217
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 2: you share those, and if your motive is to do

1218
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,640
Speaker 2: that is to help, then you have no idea how

1219
01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:00,599
Speaker 2: it might touch somebody else's life. Me share the fact

1220
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 2: that I was getting ready to commit suicide, but God,

1221
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 2: in his mercy saved me. I said that man in

1222
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 2: California heard that, and then God, in his mercy send

1223
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 2: him to Franklin to share that with me.

1224
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:17,559
Speaker 1: And the irony is you'd have never been on the

1225
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:20,599
Speaker 1: Joni Show had you never come full circle with your

1226
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 1: own pain about your last year in f Obama experience.

1227
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 1: If you don't think there's a plan, yeah, absolutely, Lawyer,

1228
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 1: you're missing it. Yeah, all right, finish us inspire our listeners.

1229
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:35,679
Speaker 3: It's never too late.

1230
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:39,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's really it is. It's never too late.

1231
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 2: And what I said earlier about changing the meaning of

1232
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 2: your past is that's something that you can do. And

1233
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 2: you know, Coach, they've heard you talk about character. You

1234
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 2: know so much in it that you know. I tell

1235
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 2: people all the time that a reflection of our characters

1236
01:10:57,120 --> 01:11:03,280
Speaker 2: are attitude, and our attitud about things that using God's word.

1237
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 2: Throughout God's word, he tells us you know, And for

1238
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 2: Samuel he talks about you know. God let none of

1239
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:16,559
Speaker 2: Samuel's words fall to the ground, because God was given

1240
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 2: Samuel the words that he needed to say. He gives

1241
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 2: us the words that we needed to say. And when

1242
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:25,719
Speaker 2: we speak out loud, when whenever you're trying to deal

1243
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 2: with something from your past, then you start speaking out

1244
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 2: loud because no voice has the impact on your brain

1245
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:44,800
Speaker 2: that your own voice does. And whenever you speak positive, uplifting, encouraging,

1246
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:50,879
Speaker 2: forgiving amazing, incredible things, predictions and plans about the future

1247
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:53,680
Speaker 2: and all that you're going to do to overcome the

1248
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 2: thing is in the past, you speak it out loud.

1249
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:01,679
Speaker 2: Your brain receives it differently than anything else that hears

1250
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 2: from anyone else. And that's why I tell young people

1251
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:07,799
Speaker 2: that old nursery, rhyme, sticks and stones will break my bones,

1252
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 2: but words will never hurt me. Is a lie straight

1253
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:14,479
Speaker 2: out of hell. Words are powerful. You use God's words,

1254
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 2: and Paul talks about in Philippians nineteen times he mentioned

1255
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 2: as Joy Joy's a choice. Choice is attitude. Attitude. Listen,

1256
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:33,799
Speaker 2: Attitude is I call attitude your superpower. Attitude. Stanford University

1257
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 2: did a study in the impact that positive attitude had

1258
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 2: on success in businesses, and they across the board, they

1259
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:43,680
Speaker 2: looked at hundreds of businesses. They came back and they

1260
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:48,559
Speaker 2: said eighty six percent of businesses that succeeded attributed their

1261
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 2: success to a positive mental attitude. And they said, here's

1262
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 2: the thing. The attitude is the only area of your

1263
01:12:55,320 --> 01:13:00,080
Speaker 2: life where you're in one hundred percent control, okay, one

1264
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:04,280
Speaker 2: hundred percent control of your attitude. You start speaking positive

1265
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 2: things when you're dealing with regret, when you're dealing with

1266
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:10,839
Speaker 2: something that you can't change in the past, you start

1267
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:16,560
Speaker 2: talking about things that you can do now to substitute

1268
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:19,760
Speaker 2: for those regrets in the past and those dreams that

1269
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 2: haven't happened yet. It's all it's been eighteen years since

1270
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 2: I went back to play, eighteen years the movie's coming

1271
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:33,040
Speaker 2: out now. I haven't given up. I haven't quit. I

1272
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:35,519
Speaker 2: hadn't said, you know, well, it's never going to happen.

1273
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 2: I've been real about it, but I've never given up

1274
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 2: on it. And so you can't do that. You've got

1275
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:48,960
Speaker 2: to take advantage of the positive words that you can

1276
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 2: get from God's word to speak into your own life

1277
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 2: and speak out loud. Get back here. The great thing

1278
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 2: about today's world. You can put a couple of earbuds

1279
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 2: in and have your own in your hand, and you

1280
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 2: walk around talking to yourself and everybody thinks you're on

1281
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 2: the phone. They don't think you're crazy. But you talk

1282
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:13,240
Speaker 2: to yourself, and you talk to yourself like you are

1283
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:17,720
Speaker 2: the important person that you are. And I can tell

1284
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 2: you right now that it works, and uh, that it's

1285
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:24,599
Speaker 2: something that it's one of those things that you know.

1286
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:29,679
Speaker 2: I call it the the day you know our character.

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Speaker 2: In my opinion, our our character is like a muscle.

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Speaker 2: If you don't if you don't exercise a muscle within

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Speaker 2: seventy two hours, it starts to atrophy, it starts to

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Speaker 2: lose strength and size. Same way with our character. Well,

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Speaker 2: how do you see, character is a private thing. It's

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Speaker 2: that character, Your character is a private thing. And so

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Speaker 2: what you do in private, the things that you say

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Speaker 2: in private, those yeah things you think, yeah, as a

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Speaker 2: man thinks in his heart. So so it's those things

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Speaker 2: that you do in private that develop your attitude and

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Speaker 2: your attitude is a reflection of your character. And so

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Speaker 2: for you guys out there, women, not so much. For

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Speaker 2: you guys listening to this, I call it being good

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Speaker 2: versus being great because when you make the choice, and

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Speaker 2: he'll do it a thousand times a day or more,

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Speaker 2: I'm okay, I'm gonna be good. I'm gonna do this.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be a good husband, I'm going to be

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Speaker 2: a good father, I'm gonna be a good brother, I'm

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Speaker 2: going to be a good employee. When you make the

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Speaker 2: choice to be great, because good is everybody, that's ninety

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Speaker 2: five percent of the people out there. But when you

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Speaker 2: make that choice and it's individual, there's no standard that

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Speaker 2: you're measured to. It's strictly it's strictly you when you

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Speaker 2: say I'm gonna be great. Okay, adversity, Now, adversity is

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Speaker 2: in there between good and great, and when you overcome

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Speaker 2: that adversity in that choice to be good. Maybe it's

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Speaker 2: something that your wife has asked you to do and

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Speaker 2: you don't feel like it's necessary that you do it,

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Speaker 2: and you're walking away and all of a sudden, you think,

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Speaker 2: you know what it's important to her, I'm gonna go

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Speaker 2: do that. I'm gonna be great. I'm gonna be great.

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Speaker 2: It's little things like that. And for men, it's pride.

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Speaker 2: You'll deal with your pride a thousand times. You choose

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Speaker 2: to be great, you put that pride aside, and here's

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Speaker 2: it has a cumulative effect. It starts. It's like the

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Speaker 2: Navy seal that spoke to the University of Texas. You know,

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Speaker 2: over a decade ago, he said, make your bed, get

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Speaker 2: up and make your bed. It was one positive thing

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Speaker 2: that they did that started their day, that built momentum.

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Speaker 2: Whenever you're making that choice to be great, you're building

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Speaker 2: momentum in your life towards accomplishing your dreams and your goals.

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Speaker 2: And the thing about it is it's controlled adversity that

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Speaker 2: you're putting in your life. When that un controlled adversity

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Speaker 2: comes against you, you're better able to deal with it

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Speaker 2: because you've been overcoming the controlled adversity. That's what we

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Speaker 2: do in practice with footballs. Whatever a great athlete does

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Speaker 2: is he goes to that controlled adversity so that at

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Speaker 2: that point in time when he needs it, he can

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Speaker 2: overcome that uncontrolled adversity. So don't give up, don't quit.

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Speaker 2: There's always something that you can do moving forward.

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Speaker 1: From a guy who decided at fifty nine years old

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Speaker 1: he could play college football, I think we could sit

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Speaker 1: and listen to that kind of stuff all day long.

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Speaker 1: Get his book, watch the film The Senior. Mike fun

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Speaker 1: an incredible dude and a great story.

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Speaker 3: And I really appreciate you driving down here. Share your

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Speaker 3: story with the ceramorphis well.

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Speaker 2: Bill, It's been my honor pleasure, and I appreciate you

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Speaker 2: having me.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, and thank you for joining us this week.

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Speaker 1: If Mike Flint has inspired you in general, or better yet,

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Speaker 1: to take action by writing your own redemption story, adopting

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Speaker 1: the mantra that you know what, it's never too late,

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01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:18,559
Speaker 1: by going to see The Senior in theaters, or something

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Speaker 1: else entirely, please let me know.

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Speaker 3: I'd love to hear about it.

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Speaker 1: You can write me anytime at Bill at normalfolks dot

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Speaker 1: us and I will respond. If you enjoyed this episode,

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Speaker 1: the podcast, rate it, review it, join the army at

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Speaker 1: normalfolks dot us, any and all of these things that

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Speaker 1: will help us grow an army of normal folks. I'm

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Speaker 1: Bill Courtney. Until next time, do what you can