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Speaker 1: Welcome to Before Breakfast, a production of iHeartRadio. Good Morning,

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Speaker 1: This is Laura. Welcome to the Before Breakfast podcast. Today's

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Speaker 1: episode is going to be a longer one, just like

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Speaker 1: we do every Wednesday, only because this episode is first

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Speaker 1: running on New Year's Day. Today, we are going to

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Speaker 1: do something just a little bit different. I am going

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Speaker 1: to be sharing my thoughts on the first step to

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Speaker 1: spending your time better. Lots of people resolve to be

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Speaker 1: better about managing their time and their life in the

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Speaker 1: new year. I have some thoughts about how to do

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Speaker 1: just that. I'll also be sharing some news about a

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Speaker 1: challenge that I am running in mid January that will

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Speaker 1: help you make the most of your time. My goal

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Speaker 1: is that by the end of listening to today's episode,

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Speaker 1: you will have a plan for getting some data, celebrating

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Speaker 1: what is worth celebrating, and making some changes in your

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Speaker 1: life if that is what you would like to do.

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Speaker 1: I am excited to talk about this topic, so thank

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Speaker 1: you for listening. All right, Well, here we go. So

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Speaker 1: people sometimes say to me, Laura, I would like to

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Speaker 1: spend my time better. What is the first thing I

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Speaker 1: should be doing? And I always say, well, let's figure

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Speaker 1: out where the time is going now, Because if you

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Speaker 1: don't know where the time is going now, how do

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Speaker 1: you know if you're changing the right thing. Maybe something

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Speaker 1: you thought was a problem really isn't. Maybe something you

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Speaker 1: haven't even considered is taking more time than you've imagined.

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Speaker 1: We want to make sure that we are working from

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Speaker 1: good data. Same as any business decision. Right if you're

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Speaker 1: figuring out where to open a new store, you'd be

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Speaker 1: looking at foot traffic and how neighboring retailers are doing,

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Speaker 1: and anything else you could figure out. You wouldn't just decide, well,

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Speaker 1: I think this is a good spot, so here we go.

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Speaker 1: You want to make sure you're working from good data,

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Speaker 1: and it is the exact same thing with our time.

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Speaker 1: We want to figure out where the time really goes,

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Speaker 1: and the only way to do that is to actually

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Speaker 1: try keeping track of our time. There are lots of

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Speaker 1: ways to do this. I track my time on weekly spreadsheets.

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Speaker 1: I know that makes me sound like a ton of fun,

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Speaker 1: but I'm sure there are a few people listening to

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Speaker 1: this podcast who really enjoy a good spreadsheet. Kind of

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Speaker 1: an art form. It gets even worse. I've been doing

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Speaker 1: this since April of twenty fifteen, tracking my time, but

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Speaker 1: I promise it is not too onerous and you don't

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Speaker 1: have to do it for ten years. Just a week

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Speaker 1: would be good. But I track on weekly spreadsheets with

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Speaker 1: the days of the week across the top Monday through

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Speaker 1: Sunday half hour blocks down the left hand side five

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Speaker 1: am to four thirty am, so we have three hundred

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Speaker 1: thirty six cells representing the one hundred and sixty eight

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Speaker 1: hour week. If you'd like to use one of these

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Speaker 1: spreadsheets yourself, you can just go to my website, Laura

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Speaker 1: vandercam dot com and you'll be able to find and

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Speaker 1: download one. But that's not the only way you can

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Speaker 1: track your time. Some people use one of dozens of

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Speaker 1: Or you could even walk around with a little notebook

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Speaker 1: if you want to look all artsy writing down what

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Speaker 1: you are doing. The tool itself doesn't actually matter. What

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Speaker 1: matters is that you do it. And when I suggest

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Speaker 1: if that is the first thing I should do to

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Speaker 1: them a little bit traumatized. But I promise you don't

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Speaker 1: if you have had to bill your time in excruciating

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Speaker 1: So you think we'd be all over that, but the

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Speaker 1: let's get this out of the way right now. We

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Speaker 1: all waste time. Everybody wastes time. I waste tons of time.

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Speaker 1: Figuring out where the time really goes is not about

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Speaker 1: saw you watch Netflix. It's not about playing gotcha. It

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Speaker 1: actually track their time. Well, I am back. This is Laura,

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Speaker 1: sure that we are working from good data. Incidentally, people

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