Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys,
Speaker 1: screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the
Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Rob Phillips, and
Speaker 1: Bill Jones, and it's time for a Tuesday edition of
Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys inside the SWVC Mortgage studios here at the
Speaker 1: Star in Frisco, two days away from Thanksgiving Day and
Speaker 1: a matchup with the Buffalo Bills, and Mickey Spagnola just
Speaker 1: sat down. I just got here in time. We were
Speaker 1: ready to find you, Mickey, and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: you showed up one second late. That's because I ran,
Speaker 1: Can I catch my breath now? If you can? Okay?
Speaker 1: So what was the fine for? From two hundred dollars?
Speaker 1: Two hundred dollars? He would watch, He would watch the
Speaker 1: second hand and as soon as he got to to twelve.
Speaker 1: You gotta be all the way in. You know, it's
Speaker 1: like coming in there like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's not like a goal line where just the ball
Speaker 1: has to touch the plane. No, you gotta be all
Speaker 1: the way in. You gotta be all the way both
Speaker 1: drag over the you know, and pre nineteen eighty nine,
Speaker 1: two hundred dollars was significant, Yes it was. It's significant
Speaker 1: now for some of us. I'm back there there. It's
Speaker 1: like a goal in hockey, right, it's gotta be over
Speaker 1: the red line. Over the red line. Gave me idea.
Speaker 1: What the fine is? Now? Now? I bet it's got
Speaker 1: about five. I would think five hundred would be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're going right, say I always like a nice round number.
Speaker 1: Maybe a thousand, you never know, Yeah, making afford it right,
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a percentage of your all right, so much
Speaker 1: to get to and h Mickey, I heard you on
Speaker 1: the fan this morning. You enjoy your time on the
Speaker 1: fan this morning, Old man, Mickey, Old man, Mickey, I'm
Speaker 1: super Bowl Bill. I got my super Bowl cap on today.
Speaker 1: What's this old man? Come into the twenty first century?
Speaker 1: What that was? My bad? My bad? What happened on
Speaker 1: the fan? Where did you guys talk about? Uh? Jerry
Speaker 1: was trying to give them some perspective on analytics during games.
Speaker 1: Basically said analytics are based on history. That's what's happening
Speaker 1: that day. He did say that essentially, and he basically said,
Speaker 1: you got a factor in whether you got a factor
Speaker 1: in where the game is, momentum of the game, and
Speaker 1: you got a factor in who you're playing and how
Speaker 1: you played them, and that you can't just rely on history.
Speaker 1: And they didn't like the answer. Unfortunately, I said, so
Speaker 1: Jerry kind of told you where to go with your
Speaker 1: analytics then, like they didn't like that either. Oh. They
Speaker 1: finally got to the point where they said, well, you
Speaker 1: and Jason and Jerry, you guys are stone age. And
Speaker 1: I figured at that point I could feel myself ready
Speaker 1: to blow up my tongue and said, nothing you had
Speaker 1: been very proud of and they said I would have.
Speaker 1: They said, there was this silence. It didn't they Micky,
Speaker 1: are you still there? And you said yes, absolutely, coming
Speaker 1: out of my ears, but I'm still here. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I was proud of myself because I didn't want to
Speaker 1: get into it. All right, I understand they kind of
Speaker 1: after we hung up, kind of continued going to, okay,
Speaker 1: what should they do with Jerry, which I think is,
Speaker 1: you know, hey, if you're going to disagree disagree with him,
Speaker 1: don't wait till he hangs up and then kind of
Speaker 1: disagree with what he had to say, you know, And
Speaker 1: my point to him was he was talking about oil
Speaker 1: and sometimes you know, you have your scientists tell you
Speaker 1: where to drill and everything, and he goes, but sometimes
Speaker 1: you got to have a feel for you know, what's
Speaker 1: right or what's wrong. And so you know, they were
Speaker 1: disputing that, and I said, well, yeah, it's just like
Speaker 1: when he had a financial advisor telling him he was
Speaker 1: crazy to buy the Cowboys in nineteen eighty nine, and
Speaker 1: he went against logic because he had a feel that
Speaker 1: I can make this work. And he has continued to
Speaker 1: do that. Right, he made more money while having a
Speaker 1: losing franchise, yeah, than while winning, and then he turned
Speaker 1: it around and now he's worth how many billion, well
Speaker 1: the most in the world. Right, franchise, sometimes you have
Speaker 1: to kind of analyze the situation more so than the
Speaker 1: history of the situation. Well, think there is a place
Speaker 1: for analytics in the game, and Jason Garrett said yesterday
Speaker 1: they use it basically is weekly part of their weekly prep.
Speaker 1: It's not something they've got handy necessarily on game day.
Speaker 1: And I guess to Mickey's point when he's talking about
Speaker 1: you got to know the game situations. It's terrible weather,
Speaker 1: it's fourth and seven, You've had trouble throwing the ball
Speaker 1: all day. That probably factored in more than anything other
Speaker 1: than what a stat tells you or who you're staying
Speaker 1: that too, But I mean they those conditions were real.
Speaker 1: I mean, when Tom Brady and Dak's having a hell
Speaker 1: of a year, but the greatest quarterback of all time
Speaker 1: is really struggling to throw the ball, that's those were
Speaker 1: real conditions. You know what the analytics are on opponents
Speaker 1: facing the Patriots this season, facing third and seven or
Speaker 1: fourth and seven. Oh, what is it? Oh that's good,
Speaker 1: Bill two for twenty five eight percent chance of making it.
Speaker 1: I was gonna give him twenty five eight percent? What
Speaker 1: it is? So all right? Did to put that in perspective.
Speaker 1: But the worst team in the league, the Bengals, what
Speaker 1: is the what's the percentage of making it on third
Speaker 1: and seven or fourth and seven? No, No, let's say
Speaker 1: now it was I'm doing this off the top of
Speaker 1: my head. I looked it up yesterday. It was like
Speaker 1: ten for thirty two. It was, you know, thirty thirty
Speaker 1: something percent. Yeah, I wonder what the analytics tell you
Speaker 1: if you had three chances, you just failed twice on
Speaker 1: second and seven, third and so not. What are the
Speaker 1: chances of making it the third time? Well, your chances
Speaker 1: are greater because you've already used up to chances, So
Speaker 1: eventually you're gonna make it. Oh, I had three chances
Speaker 1: from the fourteen to put it in the end zone
Speaker 1: and I failed on twelfth and seven. You'll make it. Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 1: You can't just go on the philosophy well I'm due, right.
Speaker 1: You can't say eventually it's gotta be my time. This
Speaker 1: was always that was the vikings uh philosophy. When we
Speaker 1: got down there, we hadn't gone with the quip all day,
Speaker 1: so you were doing we're doing philosophy on teams that
Speaker 1: are losing. At some point they're gone. I wonder what
Speaker 1: the analytics say on that straight chances of winning the
Speaker 1: ninth See, here's here's the thing. You know, analytics, it's
Speaker 1: been big for several years. One of the things that
Speaker 1: it's big right now, and the and the guy that
Speaker 1: everyone is saying what a genius he is right now
Speaker 1: because of analytics is John Harbaugh and the Ravens are
Speaker 1: sitting there at nine and two. And John Harbaugh said
Speaker 1: in one of his press conferences earlier in the year
Speaker 1: that he has an analytics guy, and in fact, in
Speaker 1: his ear during games, he's got the analytics guy who
Speaker 1: can chime in whenever there's a situation. And all right,
Speaker 1: let's go back a year ago. Who was the hot
Speaker 1: coach in the National Football League? Fired the Rams guy?
Speaker 1: Shot did the Okay? The Rams played who last night? Baltimore?
Speaker 1: That played the Ravens and so so last night? The
Speaker 1: hot guy? Right now, John Harbaugh, what was the final score?
Speaker 1: Forty five? Forty five to six? It's the final score
Speaker 1: fifteen and so Sean McVay is no longer a genius,
Speaker 1: righting the analytics better than all right, and go ahead, well,
Speaker 1: let me throw this at you. A year ago, what
Speaker 1: was the Ravens record through nine games of the season?
Speaker 1: Maybet the Cowboys four and four and five. They were
Speaker 1: four and five through nine games of the season. But
Speaker 1: that is when Johnah Harbaugh decided to start using analytics, right,
Speaker 1: absolutely interesting. He also decided to insert Lamar Jackson as
Speaker 1: his quarterback. And they are they are fifteen and four
Speaker 1: since he started using wait wait wait wait wait wait
Speaker 1: wait ho ho on, I'd say the latter eclipse the
Speaker 1: former being facetious, being facetious when I say he first
Speaker 1: started using analytics for Weekden, but he didn't start using
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson in weeks in last year. That's pretty good
Speaker 1: X fact. Yeah, that's right, X fact. Just back to
Speaker 1: that fourth down. It was fourth and seven. Everybody disagrees
Speaker 1: on this. A lot of people in the media, fans
Speaker 1: say you got to go for in that situation. I
Speaker 1: think we said yea, at least I said yesterday. It's
Speaker 1: it's what did you do to get to that point?
Speaker 1: I mean Dak went for the end zone on third
Speaker 1: down for Jarwin. I trust him in that situation. He
Speaker 1: didn't come up with the play. You go back and watch,
Speaker 1: it looked like he had some room if you wanted
Speaker 1: to scramble on that left side. That's the and I
Speaker 1: think Garrett was asked about that yesterday when you talked
Speaker 1: to Kellen about, hey, this is four down territory and
Speaker 1: then kind of figure out from there what you're doing
Speaker 1: on on third down to try to get to a
Speaker 1: manageable fourth down. They didn't get to a manageable fourth down.
Speaker 1: I didn't have a problem with kicking it there because
Speaker 1: I don't I think the odds of you converting that
Speaker 1: in that situation aren't very good and then and then
Speaker 1: the game's probably over at that point. We all I
Speaker 1: think we all agreed on that. Yeah, I think the
Speaker 1: argument should have been what you did on second and third.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Yes, we've talked about, right, and
Speaker 1: I I straddle the fence on this, I guess, but
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem if he decided, or if
Speaker 1: anyone decided to go ahead and go for it on that. Okay, fine,
Speaker 1: you got to make a decision one way or the other.
Speaker 1: I would have gone ahead and kicked the field goal.
Speaker 1: And one of the factors that I put into it,
Speaker 1: you had six o four left in the game and
Speaker 1: if it ticks, so three left three times three timeouts
Speaker 1: and um, and okay, if you if you go for
Speaker 1: it and don't make it, then the Patriots can end
Speaker 1: the game by just going down and kicking a field
Speaker 1: goal and making an attemple that because who says we're
Speaker 1: going to get it back right right? And we still
Speaker 1: had the chance to get it back even after all
Speaker 1: of that, And ye, okay, the other part of it,
Speaker 1: the other part of it is, Okay, let's say you
Speaker 1: go for it and you score a touchdown. Now, are
Speaker 1: you going for two? No? I bet you, I bet
Speaker 1: you anything. The analytics say go for two. Oh, I'm
Speaker 1: sure they do at that point. So so basically, like
Speaker 1: when we were talking about, Troy was saying, you gotta
Speaker 1: go for it here, Okay, all right, I wonder if
Speaker 1: I wonder I wonder if Troy would also say you
Speaker 1: got to go for two? And the thinking on that
Speaker 1: is how many more chances do you have against this
Speaker 1: defense to be in that position? Right? Yeah? Okay? And
Speaker 1: so that same thinking has to hold true after you
Speaker 1: score the touchdown, because how many more chances are you
Speaker 1: going to be down there if if you have that mindset.
Speaker 1: Speaking of going for it on fourth down, that was
Speaker 1: also one of hall Boss new he's gonna go for
Speaker 1: it on fourth down a lot and going for two, yes,
Speaker 1: and going for two a lot. That's what wouldn't have
Speaker 1: any qualms about that, right right? It's interesting. So and
Speaker 1: and the problem with all that is the analytics don't
Speaker 1: have to handle if you're wrong, Like if you follow
Speaker 1: the analytics and it fails, no one's blaming the analytic guy, right.
Speaker 1: I think, by the way, for this research on this stuff,
Speaker 1: how far back we're going five years, ten years, fifteen years. Well,
Speaker 1: one of the things on the analytics doing it by
Speaker 1: the way, well one of the things only why does
Speaker 1: that matter? How when it was done? Why the information
Speaker 1: does the information is it? Is it recent? Is its recent? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean are we talking going back to Jim Brown? Error.
Speaker 1: That's good, that's a good point. This is this is
Speaker 1: what always bothered me with baseball managers, because anybody can
Speaker 1: manage a game when you get into a tough situation
Speaker 1: and the percentages say, I better have a right handed
Speaker 1: pitcher pitching against a right handed batter, so I'm gonna
Speaker 1: make the change, and if it doesn't work, it's like,
Speaker 1: well I did what the percentages say, but my fault,
Speaker 1: so don't blame me. So you so you win the
Speaker 1: press conference after the game. Yeah, no, I mean it's
Speaker 1: just because I followed the analytics. Yeah, you can use
Speaker 1: someone can look it up and say, yeah he did,
Speaker 1: or you know, I got a guy that's hitting decently,
Speaker 1: but he's gonna have to face a right hander and
Speaker 1: you go, now, I need a left hander up there.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to pile on you here from the
Speaker 1: fan earlier, but I'm really not. But you don't think
Speaker 1: it has any place at all as even as a reference.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you've got to watch what's going No,
Speaker 1: I agree with its places within reason, right within reason.
Speaker 1: Ask him. Tom Landry had twenty consecutive winning seasons, and
Speaker 1: when he had to make a tough decision, people would
Speaker 1: ask him what he'd well, why did you do that?
Speaker 1: And you know what his answer was, all the time, Well,
Speaker 1: I had this feel. He'd always talk about his feel
Speaker 1: on a decision. At some point, you gotta, yes, you
Speaker 1: gotta be human. There's times where Jason Garrett has gone it,
Speaker 1: gone for it on fourth down in his own territory
Speaker 1: because he's got the pulse of his team and they're
Speaker 1: they're controlling things up front, and you got Zeke and
Speaker 1: your handed to him. I don't know what the analytics
Speaker 1: tell you in certain situations, certain yard line. So yes,
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I just I mean they are
Speaker 1: using it some during the week. That is part of
Speaker 1: what they do. It's not so I understand. I only
Speaker 1: get you to a certain point. I just can't be
Speaker 1: after that. You have to use your instincts as a
Speaker 1: coach or as a player. If I'm sitting there here,
Speaker 1: and I know that's gonna I'm going to against the
Speaker 1: wide receiver who's extremely good. I went against six nine.
Speaker 1: Hell call Michael. Okay, so what what do the analytics
Speaker 1: tell me? How do I play him? On and off
Speaker 1: in the red zone? How do I play him? I
Speaker 1: don't know what the hell those analytics are. I just
Speaker 1: gotta go figure out. I gotta go for it just well,
Speaker 1: you know, so yeah, I mean, analysts can only go
Speaker 1: so far, and eventually you have to go on the field.
Speaker 1: But I think it does give you when you're talking percentages,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're talking chances, we're talking odds. I mean,
Speaker 1: it has to be considered. It's no doubt a balance,
Speaker 1: and I think it's part of your preparation during the week,
Speaker 1: getting ready for the game. And I don't think you
Speaker 1: necessarily have to have that person in your ear telling
Speaker 1: you this. If you have prepared for the game as
Speaker 1: a head coach, you it's not rocket science. There's not
Speaker 1: all that many situations that come up in a game.
Speaker 1: That's a good point, and so you've got that and
Speaker 1: a lot. If I was a head coach, I would
Speaker 1: have a card in front of me. Okay, even if
Speaker 1: I wasn't calling plays where I've got all that information.
Speaker 1: Third and seven. This is where they are whatever and
Speaker 1: they do, and that is what is done as your
Speaker 1: normal preparation. And I guarantee you that's what's done here
Speaker 1: as well as normal game plan preparation. And before they
Speaker 1: called it analytics, I can go back thirty years ago, right,
Speaker 1: and you have to decide if I'm going to kick
Speaker 1: an extra point or go for two? Remember the cards
Speaker 1: at this score, you go for two? Control? Yeah, just
Speaker 1: quality control, all right? When we continue on talking Cowboys, Rob,
Speaker 1: do you have a report prepared for what Jerry said
Speaker 1: on the radio this morning. I'll do my best, okay,
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Speaker 1: am I gonna read here? The top two football teams
Speaker 1: in the Big Twelve Conference will face off. That was
Speaker 1: I went to my default. The top two teams in
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve face off in the Big Twelve Championship game. Macky,
Speaker 1: what two teams would that be. I'm guessing it would be.
Speaker 1: Let me see, Oklahoma, maybe there in and Baylor for sure.
Speaker 1: The Baylor's who won when they faced off the first time, Mickey,
Speaker 1: I think someone came back from eight to three. But
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Speaker 1: such a hurt guy. I'm such a hurt fan. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I love that guy. Oh yeah, I like the way
Speaker 1: he improved. It's like kind of like that, you know,
Speaker 1: to where you can see what about NFL? Then he's
Speaker 1: talking about Jalen Hurts, the quarterback. Bro. Yes, I do
Speaker 1: think it's just another Lamar Jackson amazing. Well, yeah, that's everybody.
Speaker 1: That's everybody that can be changed, yea, that can be altered,
Speaker 1: that could be improved. As an ou fan, I was
Speaker 1: hoping that would change after the Texas game and it
Speaker 1: did not change this. He got a little scared after
Speaker 1: the TCU pick six. Yeah, pick on the goal line.
Speaker 1: But but I'll tell you and people talk about Lincoln
Speaker 1: Riley being a NFL coach. Whatever I'm yelling at Lincoln
Speaker 1: Riley is as much as a lot of fans are
Speaker 1: yelling at Jason Garrett some of the end game decisions.
Speaker 1: And in fact, on that play that was a pick
Speaker 1: six for TCU that I knew they were throwing to
Speaker 1: CD Lamb. They put him in motion. It was so
Speaker 1: obvious that they were the play was coming, he slipped
Speaker 1: on his route and he got picked. All right, only
Speaker 1: goal line they had the game. I mean they're going
Speaker 1: up thirty five seventeen all of a sudden. Yeah, And anyway,
Speaker 1: and that hurts in their rankings too. Yeah, that that
Speaker 1: pick six, you know, that could have cost them one spot.
Speaker 1: All right, Rob Jerry on the radio today, what were
Speaker 1: some highlights? Well, he got asked again about the coaching
Speaker 1: criticism that he gave after Sunday's loss, and he basically said, up,
Speaker 1: you know, I feel the same way, but he kind
Speaker 1: of clarified it in that I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people were probably surprised by how critical he was. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's normally that vocally frustrated with loss after
Speaker 1: a game, but he pointed out look I'm I'm not
Speaker 1: just the owner. I'm the GM. This is the staff
Speaker 1: that I put together, and so I'm evaluating this whole
Speaker 1: thing and it's my responsibility. So that's that's where he's
Speaker 1: coming from on that, and he said, ultimately, the buck
Speaker 1: stops with me. So that's that's where they're at. And
Speaker 1: he hasn't you know, he got asked that he as
Speaker 1: he met with Jason this week and they haven't because
Speaker 1: this is typical during the short Thanksgiving week, they don't
Speaker 1: have those types of personnel meetings and they're on to
Speaker 1: Buffalo and try to get this thing right. It are
Speaker 1: they It's a question about as he met with Jason,
Speaker 1: what are they getting at when they asked the question
Speaker 1: like that. I ask him questions about the decision on
Speaker 1: fourth down and the problems on somefessional teams. Just have
Speaker 1: you met with him personally about the things that bothered
Speaker 1: way about that game? And the thing that he really
Speaker 1: harped on, obviously was the special teams and talking about
Speaker 1: how that's pure coaching and you know, Keith o Quinn,
Speaker 1: their special teams coordinator, works really hard getting these guys
Speaker 1: prepared and the weather was bad and they there were
Speaker 1: some mistakes obviously that were costly in that game, but
Speaker 1: they got turned around. When you think about the game,
Speaker 1: you think about the environment, Yeah, it kind of weighs
Speaker 1: on you, you know, mentally and how you act. And
Speaker 1: you know, I've always said Craft and Jones have something
Speaker 1: going on with each other. You're right, there's a little
Speaker 1: pain going on. And it came out and said something
Speaker 1: because this game, along with the conditions and the drama,
Speaker 1: all the emotion, I think that whole Jones versus crafting
Speaker 1: played a part in him coming out like that, being
Speaker 1: so bold in his criticism because you know, dog going well,
Speaker 1: he did not want to look over there and see
Speaker 1: Craft celebrating in victory at ten and one on the season.
Speaker 1: And and and what goes into it, as much as
Speaker 1: anything too, is what's happened to put them in this
Speaker 1: position where they're falling to six and five. Yeah, still
Speaker 1: leading the division, but the loss to the Jets, the
Speaker 1: other close games, no victories against teams right now that
Speaker 1: have a winning record, It just would have been such
Speaker 1: a feather in your cap. I mean ever since you
Speaker 1: played long time, and if you can get a statement
Speaker 1: win like that, it can change an entire confidence level
Speaker 1: of a team I would imagine, And to your point, Bill,
Speaker 1: I mean four or five losses I think are combined
Speaker 1: twenty two points. They've been right there, and at a
Speaker 1: certain point you just get frustrated when you when you're
Speaker 1: looking at the conditions that when you look at how
Speaker 1: they lost, if they would have won this game, who's
Speaker 1: to say that they wouldn't be over confident because the
Speaker 1: reason that the Brady one, the reason Brady didn't have
Speaker 1: a good game. Of course the Cowboys defense was doing well,
Speaker 1: but the conditions themselves handcuffed any offensive efforts that you had.
Speaker 1: So if you're gonna come buy of that game with
Speaker 1: a win, then you have to be careful thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: those conditions will not be duplicated anywhere else. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that's that's so funny. We had our biggest game, our
Speaker 1: biggest statement game. While we're playing in the rain, Well,
Speaker 1: nobody can get any foot and it's all like a
Speaker 1: comedy out there. In efforts and as far as offensive
Speaker 1: efforts to consent, I think why Bill said when they
Speaker 1: meet again, to be in perfect I wish you could
Speaker 1: have been, because you really couldn't see their team and
Speaker 1: do what they do and with a just a little digging.
Speaker 1: So the kickoff Pollard shouldn't have been at a goal line,
Speaker 1: at least the ten yard line. But the idea was
Speaker 1: where they put Old Wally was the guy that was
Speaker 1: the safety net. If it was a pop up short kick,
Speaker 1: he was supposed to catch it, and he jumped out
Speaker 1: of the way. He didn't catch the ball, So I
Speaker 1: understand the Pollard part, but they had another contingency plan
Speaker 1: there and he for some reason he didn't catch it.
Speaker 1: Now I don't know if he got called off for now.
Speaker 1: So here's how I heard someone talking the other day
Speaker 1: and maybe not put a full back there from talking
Speaker 1: the other day, and they said anything that goes on
Speaker 1: on the field, special teams, I think it was I
Speaker 1: called the guy's name, but they said, anything that goes
Speaker 1: on wall on the field, it's on Jason Gatt right, right,
Speaker 1: special teams, it's on Jason kid. Right, he didn't catch
Speaker 1: the ball. That's Jason Gabb's fault. And then is that
Speaker 1: is that fair? Yeah? No, it's not fair. Right, At
Speaker 1: some point the player has to take some responsibility, right,
Speaker 1: that's always. And he didn't call him out, He just
Speaker 1: said we didn't handle it. Right, okay, on the block punt.
Speaker 1: Here's what happened. The Patriots had three guys lined up
Speaker 1: to the Cowboys left of Latissor, so they had three
Speaker 1: guys there. The Cowboys had like two and a half.
Speaker 1: But Armstrong was the half guy and he was supposed
Speaker 1: to go in and take the next guy, and then
Speaker 1: Joe Thomas was supposed to go out and take the
Speaker 1: next guy, and Jarwin took the outside guy. Well, what
Speaker 1: happened was, now, remember Joe Thomas didn't practice all week. Right,
Speaker 1: right's sick. He was sick, and his alignment was he
Speaker 1: didn't have to worry about the guy on his right
Speaker 1: shoulder because that was Armstrong's guy. He was supposed to
Speaker 1: take Slater, and we're looking at it now. He was
Speaker 1: supposed to take Slater and he lined up head up
Speaker 1: on him instead of shading to the outside because he
Speaker 1: had help with the guy to his right, and so
Speaker 1: he didn't line up properly, and he didn't blame That's
Speaker 1: all the difference a step because look when he blocked it,
Speaker 1: he's hand and he backhands. Ye, So Keith o'quinn's fault,
Speaker 1: you know, And and I'm not gonna blame I know
Speaker 1: he didn't practice all week, but they were ready for
Speaker 1: that and they and I said, did they line him
Speaker 1: up somewhere different? No, they put him all over the place.
Speaker 1: But you know, when he's in front of you, better
Speaker 1: take care of him. So and then you get a
Speaker 1: block a black point the first down play on the
Speaker 1: fourteen yard line. Okay, if two guys would have made
Speaker 1: their blocks, that play would have worked. Ola Wally kind
Speaker 1: of touched the linebacker and then he went to go
Speaker 1: get the safety. Well, the linebacker is the one that
Speaker 1: messed it up, and then the other one was on
Speaker 1: the outside Gallup didn't get his block on the corner
Speaker 1: and those two guys came free. Otherwise that play's going.
Speaker 1: You mean the last field goal drive that they had. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: that plays first three yards. Because we hadn't seen that,
Speaker 1: and I said it yesterday. I say, why would you
Speaker 1: run that play? You didn't run it all day and
Speaker 1: they're playing all these linebackers. Well, if those guys make
Speaker 1: that block, that thing's going. But you don't and you
Speaker 1: don't see that. It's like, well, why did you call
Speaker 1: that play? I said it right. Then you go back
Speaker 1: and look at it and it's like, ah, well, I
Speaker 1: mean make you could You could almost call out any
Speaker 1: play where because somebody everybody is designed to work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: every defense is made for interceptions from what I heard,
Speaker 1: but when I get them, except for except for tripping,
Speaker 1: you know. And one thing on the Jerry's comments after
Speaker 1: the game is I think part of it too, is
Speaker 1: he sending a message to his team that the bar
Speaker 1: is up here. Okay, this team is supposed to when
Speaker 1: you go to New England. I expect you to win
Speaker 1: at New England. Okay, we're not gonna be satisfied. It's
Speaker 1: a significant setback because we are expected to come in here.
Speaker 1: I don't care if it is that Bill Belichick and
Speaker 1: the New England Patriots. We I'm expecting you to win
Speaker 1: this game. And that's a good point, and well say that,
Speaker 1: but then he comes out and says, well you expect
Speaker 1: to get out, coach, Yeah, right, so you know you guys.
Speaker 1: But I think his point on that is you expect
Speaker 1: that they're gonna be very well. He did say that
Speaker 1: they're gonna be very well. Ben. You have to match that,
Speaker 1: and you have to play a clean game. That's right.
Speaker 1: Games they've lost, they haven't played clean games. Whether it's defensively,
Speaker 1: offensively with turnovers, penalties, or in the special teams game.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's a lot, it's largely execution. But I
Speaker 1: mean Jason Garrett has said when everything's a reflection of me,
Speaker 1: whether you know, when they have success, it's preparation and coaching,
Speaker 1: and when they don't have success, it does go back
Speaker 1: to the coaching staff on some level. Always. You got
Speaker 1: to say that, and some of the more crucial moments
Speaker 1: in our games tripping aside, we have killed ourselves. We
Speaker 1: have heard ourselves in the games that we've lost. We
Speaker 1: put ourselves in the hole. Nothing about what they've done.
Speaker 1: It's always about what we've done to ourselves. So this
Speaker 1: team that comes from coaching, Your preparation has to be there.
Speaker 1: You have to know when you're playing special teams. Guys,
Speaker 1: this is not the time to hold. There's no holding
Speaker 1: on special teams right now because we want to be No,
Speaker 1: we don't want to be inside the twenty five. Okay,
Speaker 1: if that goes in the end zone, we're good, but
Speaker 1: we're not gonna have it going the endzone. Then you're holding.
Speaker 1: Now we're at the thirteen yard line with these kind
Speaker 1: of things, happen over and over again for this team
Speaker 1: in the losses that we have, and we were not
Speaker 1: able to overcome them. So you take away if your
Speaker 1: coach better, if your coach better, then you have a
Speaker 1: few of these you're the crucial moments are not so
Speaker 1: crucial now because you you have taken care of business beforehand.
Speaker 1: And by the way, they've got everything right in front
Speaker 1: of them right now, they still do. They They've got
Speaker 1: five games left in this season and it is all
Speaker 1: there for the taking for them, and this so difficult
Speaker 1: schedule in the second half of the season. You look
Speaker 1: at the records that now Buffalo's got an eight and
Speaker 1: three records. I think that's another record, okay, and they're
Speaker 1: they're eight and three. This is to my point. Then
Speaker 1: what's Chicago's record right now? They're five and six, okay?
Speaker 1: And then you got the Rams. After getting blown out
Speaker 1: forty five to six by the Ravens last week last night,
Speaker 1: the Rams are now six and five on the season.
Speaker 1: Two playoff teams from a year ago that have struggled
Speaker 1: this strict and one of the Eagles. They're five and
Speaker 1: six right now. I mean, these are five hundred teams
Speaker 1: that you're that you're facing down the stretch. You got
Speaker 1: everything in front of you. Starting on Thursday. I guess
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Speaker 1: put the d in there, okay. Mickey had a couple
Speaker 1: of other things that Jerry said on the radio this morning. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think one was for um for Everson. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: you think he's been listening to Ever Talking Cowboys now
Speaker 1: the message? You understood that something I said that Jerry
Speaker 1: said at the time, and he said he didn't understand it.
Speaker 1: But Jerry repeated it today, saying that when you're in
Speaker 1: charge of a team and you always got things coming up,
Speaker 1: it's like having two handfuls of jello in one hand
Speaker 1: and once you think could keep it from falling off
Speaker 1: on the left side of your handing squirms through your
Speaker 1: fingers on the rock. At the end, he went back
Speaker 1: to the jello. You were just talking about it. You know,
Speaker 1: That's why I said, you know for ever clarification, I
Speaker 1: love you once again. What do you and Jamie do again?
Speaker 1: Jello trying to figuring this out and that pie involved
Speaker 1: was that jello? Yeah, And then he talked about how,
Speaker 1: uh he was a proponent back in the day when
Speaker 1: um Troy Aikman had trouble throwing wet footballs uh that
Speaker 1: he was uh proposing to the competition committee to have
Speaker 1: more balls when it's wet out and he kept saying
Speaker 1: more balls. And I don't know if they listened to
Speaker 1: him or not. He said he even brought Troy Aikman
Speaker 1: into explain that they, you know, you have to have
Speaker 1: balls that are in try can't wet balls, can't have
Speaker 1: balls out balls out right? Is that a babe drop?
Speaker 1: That's babe yeh? All right? That was their timely intervening.
Speaker 1: Speaking of tripping, okay tripping. Asked about tripping. You know what,
Speaker 1: I think the NFL listened to our podcast. Think they
Speaker 1: must have because they said, actually the guys thought it
Speaker 1: was so obvious or maybe they actually watched the game
Speaker 1: as opposed to just doing it while they are watching
Speaker 1: the game. Believable and saying, guy could make those two
Speaker 1: calls and basically the NFL yesterday said, yep, those sore
Speaker 1: phantom calls. Thank you, I mean, come on that's I
Speaker 1: knew that was coming out. I knew it was coming
Speaker 1: out yesterday, and I was just as upset reading it,
Speaker 1: hearing it and going back to it as as he
Speaker 1: relived huge calls. It's not like they were just like
Speaker 1: a second and eight call. No, this was third down calls.
Speaker 1: The third down call at the second one, and the
Speaker 1: first one leads into the block punt, by the way,
Speaker 1: because it was second and thirteen and you got a
Speaker 1: ten yard tripping call made it third and twenty three.
Speaker 1: So now you've backed up, and now you know you're
Speaker 1: gonna punt, right, who's gonna pick up third and twenty three? Right?
Speaker 1: It's a killer penalty, and that guy's gonna work next week.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you meant, if you've advanced to this
Speaker 1: level in this profession of working a National Football League game,
Speaker 1: how can you miss those two calls? It's inexcusable. It's
Speaker 1: not once again it was gray. It wasn't gray. There
Speaker 1: was nothing there, but once again that it's something they
Speaker 1: were forewarned by. I'm sure the Patriot, Sure you're right,
Speaker 1: coaching staff. And so when you start looking for something
Speaker 1: that is not there, then yeah, I think that's egregious,
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. You've you've already been warned about it,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure that that that's something that they probably
Speaker 1: have to put on the record, right, we can we
Speaker 1: can go into a impeachment inquiry on that. I mean,
Speaker 1: let's let's do some research here. I'm sure they documented
Speaker 1: when they had the conversation, when they got the tip. Okay,
Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, here comes the stunt. I'm
Speaker 1: sure they Yeah, something from the sidelines, you know, the
Speaker 1: phantom yell, you know, the rip gate. That was it.
Speaker 1: The whistle came, the whistle blow came. They're like, okay,
Speaker 1: now you get ready, and then that came to done. Yeah,
Speaker 1: referee years were picked up. That was it. And the
Speaker 1: worst part was the flag came in after the play
Speaker 1: was over. It was done. Yeah. But you know what,
Speaker 1: people are going to credit Bill Belichick for alerting the
Speaker 1: officials ahead of time and that and that's the genius
Speaker 1: of Bill Belichi. But I guarantee you there are every
Speaker 1: team in the league has something that they tell the officials, Hey,
Speaker 1: look for this, look for that stuff from their film study.
Speaker 1: Uh and prepare. So do you think that depending on
Speaker 1: what the coach's, uh, credits are that? What the credentials are?
Speaker 1: The coach? The yeah, you know what Jason said. So
Speaker 1: Jason's go talk to the raft and he's like, oh whatever,
Speaker 1: but the Greek. Yeah. One day somebody asked, Jason, do
Speaker 1: you ever go to the ref and say hey, watch this, this,
Speaker 1: and this. He goes, yeah, I used to do it,
Speaker 1: and he goes in. Invariably they would call that on
Speaker 1: us when I called them, hey, watched they do this,
Speaker 1: and then they watched and called it on us. So
Speaker 1: he said, I gave that up. That's just the cowboy
Speaker 1: stuff being cowboys. That's it, that's it. We are so unique?
Speaker 1: Is too just ridiculous. We got five minutes left in
Speaker 1: the show and there's a game that a little over
Speaker 1: forty eight hours away. Now the Buffalo Bills will look
Speaker 1: into the Buffalo Bills tomorrow. That's the homework assignment. But
Speaker 1: just on the surface, what concerns you the most about
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. I think just the overall attitude that
Speaker 1: they have, very tough attitude. We talk about what the
Speaker 1: Cowboys don't have as a culture of what they're trying
Speaker 1: to build where they're not there yet. But you want
Speaker 1: to have that culture of good defense. Not many high
Speaker 1: scoring games at all, so they don't make many mistakes.
Speaker 1: They're kind of up and down offensively. The quarterback is
Speaker 1: very young, of course, and he's got some talent around him.
Speaker 1: But I don't see them being consistent. They haven't been
Speaker 1: consistent all year, and I hope they continue that trend
Speaker 1: to being inconsistent. You know. The only I was looking
Speaker 1: at this the only games they scored more than twenty
Speaker 1: seven points just happened to be against the Miami Dolphins,
Speaker 1: they scored thirty one one twenty one, and they scored
Speaker 1: thirty seven thirty seven twenty they won. The most they
Speaker 1: scored prior that was at Carolina and against Minnesota with
Speaker 1: twenty seven points. So the majority of their games it's
Speaker 1: twenty four seventeen, you know, fourteen. So yeah, they haven't
Speaker 1: been a prolific offense, but they've played well defensively. Yeah,
Speaker 1: solid defense. Josh Allen Everson mentioned young guy, but he's
Speaker 1: done a he had a pick last week against Denver,
Speaker 1: but overall he's done a better job as the season's
Speaker 1: gone on of taking care of the ball. He's got
Speaker 1: some weapons on offense. He can run two. That's where
Speaker 1: I was going huge. That tackling is gonna be another
Speaker 1: deal for this defense this week, because you know they're young.
Speaker 1: Devin Singletary, they're young running back is getting more and
Speaker 1: more featured with Frank Gore one hundred yard game last week.
Speaker 1: He's a he's an impressive young back. And then obviously
Speaker 1: this grambling ability with Alan and they use him on
Speaker 1: some design runs. To think Jeff Driscoll a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago with Detroit, they've got to be on point
Speaker 1: the short dage or they're looking at like power sweeps
Speaker 1: like old school USC coming out with the quarterback behind them. Well,
Speaker 1: he scored. He leads the team with seven touchdowns. Wow,
Speaker 1: he is huge. He's a he's a big and he's
Speaker 1: he's not scared. He'll he'll he'll try linebacker dB, he'll
Speaker 1: try to put his head down. How about Devin Singletary
Speaker 1: averages five point eight yards of carry and his longest
Speaker 1: carry is only twenty three yards, so it's not like
Speaker 1: he's has a seventy yarder that has inflated that yards
Speaker 1: per carry. It's five point eight. He's got. The game
Speaker 1: plan is extremely meticulous. It's the standard old school, We're
Speaker 1: gonna come out here and run first, establish a good defense.
Speaker 1: You know, the same things that pretty much the the
Speaker 1: cookie cutter strategy for a lot of teams in NFL. Okay,
Speaker 1: the College Football Playoff Committee is meeting right now in Grapevine, Okay.
Speaker 1: And so you know, they look at every team's potential
Speaker 1: team that gets into the fourteen playoff. They looked, Okay,
Speaker 1: what's your signature win? All right? I'm thinking if they're
Speaker 1: looking at the Buffalo Bill's schedule and they're wins this year,
Speaker 1: kind of to Everson's point earlier that he's not that
Speaker 1: impressed with the eight and three record, what would be
Speaker 1: their signature win? They beat the Jets in the season
Speaker 1: opener seventeen sixteen, They beat and they had Darnold, I guess.
Speaker 1: Then they beat the Giants twenty eight fourteen. No, they
Speaker 1: beat the Bengals twenty one seventeen. No, they beat they Okay,
Speaker 1: then they lost to the Patriots sixteen to ten. That
Speaker 1: might be their signature win. That was a loss. Tennessee
Speaker 1: they beat fourteen to seven. Now Tennessee's playing better now,
Speaker 1: but fourteen seven. They beat the Dolphins thirty one twenty
Speaker 1: one and who haven't seen one yet Philadelphia, they lost
Speaker 1: thirty one thirteen. They beat the red Skins twenty four
Speaker 1: to nine. No, that's nuts. They only have They lost
Speaker 1: to the Browns nineteen sixteen. They beat the Dolphins seven
Speaker 1: twenty and they beat the Broncos twenty to three. So
Speaker 1: did you missed the one big win they had, which
Speaker 1: is beat the Vikings twenty seven twenty three. That's their
Speaker 1: one win over a winning team. Is that correct? Well,
Speaker 1: that's weird. It's right here in their release this wild.
Speaker 1: He would not let it drop yesterday. He would not
Speaker 1: let it drop. You know, mommy and daddy fighting. I
Speaker 1: was so uncomfortable what they fight. That is one. I'm
Speaker 1: looking at Pro Football Reference right here, and that game
Speaker 1: is not listed on here. I thought you were going
Speaker 1: to say Pro Football Focus. Wow, let me see that.
Speaker 1: That is wild. It's in blue and white. What side
Speaker 1: are you looking at? Pro Football Reference? I'm looking at
Speaker 1: It's not on Pro Football Reference. An email, an email,
Speaker 1: Maybe this is Maybe that's preseason. Didn't play the Vikings
Speaker 1: in the regular ship. That was preseason. Maybe that was
Speaker 1: again that I was bulling around the team SPADs man,
Speaker 1: who would put that in their schedule like on the stair. Wait, yeah,
Speaker 1: because they're playing the NFC East this year. They're not
Speaker 1: playing the North. They don't play the college said Minnesota. Here,
Speaker 1: oh man, I always saw that mystry keeping score. I
Speaker 1: want yesterday, I want to yesterday. I went again to date.
Speaker 1: Thank you Pro Football Reference. Right, A goofy thing is this?
Speaker 1: I think those guys nineteen schedule. I think those guys
Speaker 1: on the fan were right, old man builders. All right,
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