WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Talkin' Analytics 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:06.680 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:18.479 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys, 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:21.919 screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:33.519 Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Rob Phillips, and 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:37.720 Bill Jones, and it's time for a Tuesday edition of 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:42.199 Talking Cowboys inside the SWVC Mortgage studios here at the 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:46.680 Star in Frisco, two days away from Thanksgiving Day and 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:50.040 a matchup with the Buffalo Bills, and Mickey Spagnola just 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:53.600 sat down. I just got here in time. We were 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:57.120 ready to find you, Mickey, and all of a sudden 0:00:57.160 --> 0:01:00.520 you showed up one second late. That's because I ran, 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:03.440 Can I catch my breath now? If you can? Okay? 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:06.280 So what was the fine for? From two hundred dollars? 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:08.800 Two hundred dollars? He would watch, He would watch the 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:11.840 second hand and as soon as he got to to twelve. 0:01:12.600 --> 0:01:14.840 You gotta be all the way in. You know, it's 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:16.920 like coming in there like you know what I mean. 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:19.319 It's not like a goal line where just the ball 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:21.880 has to touch the plane. No, you gotta be all 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:24.160 the way in. You gotta be all the way both 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:30.080 drag over the you know, and pre nineteen eighty nine, 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:32.919 two hundred dollars was significant, Yes it was. It's significant 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:38.759 now for some of us. I'm back there there. It's 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:40.880 like a goal in hockey, right, it's gotta be over 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:43.520 the red line. Over the red line. Gave me idea. 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:46.640 What the fine is? Now? Now? I bet it's got 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:49.440 about five. I would think five hundred would be. Yeah, 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:52.240 you're going right, say I always like a nice round number. 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:56.080 Maybe a thousand, you never know, Yeah, making afford it right, 0:01:56.560 --> 0:02:02.840 Maybe it's a percentage of your all right, so much 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:06.000 to get to and h Mickey, I heard you on 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:09.120 the fan this morning. You enjoy your time on the 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:12.919 fan this morning, Old man, Mickey, Old man, Mickey, I'm 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:15.560 super Bowl Bill. I got my super Bowl cap on today. 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:24.840 What's this old man? Come into the twenty first century? 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:30.760 What that was? My bad? My bad? What happened on 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:34.360 the fan? Where did you guys talk about? Uh? Jerry 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:42.080 was trying to give them some perspective on analytics during games. 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:48.000 Basically said analytics are based on history. That's what's happening 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:51.280 that day. He did say that essentially, and he basically said, 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:54.160 you got a factor in whether you got a factor 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:57.360 in where the game is, momentum of the game, and 0:02:57.400 --> 0:02:59.760 you got a factor in who you're playing and how 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:04.320 you played them, and that you can't just rely on history. 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:09.520 And they didn't like the answer. Unfortunately, I said, so 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:12.080 Jerry kind of told you where to go with your 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:20.640 analytics then, like they didn't like that either. Oh. They 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:23.560 finally got to the point where they said, well, you 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:31.160 and Jason and Jerry, you guys are stone age. And 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:34.360 I figured at that point I could feel myself ready 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:39.800 to blow up my tongue and said, nothing you had 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:42.120 been very proud of and they said I would have. 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:46.000 They said, there was this silence. It didn't they Micky, 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:50.920 are you still there? And you said yes, absolutely, coming 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:52.800 out of my ears, but I'm still here. Yeah, And 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:54.920 I was proud of myself because I didn't want to 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:57.920 get into it. All right, I understand they kind of 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:02.160 after we hung up, kind of continued going to, okay, 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:05.080 what should they do with Jerry, which I think is, 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:08.080 you know, hey, if you're going to disagree disagree with him, 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:10.320 don't wait till he hangs up and then kind of 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:12.760 disagree with what he had to say, you know, And 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:15.920 my point to him was he was talking about oil 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:19.080 and sometimes you know, you have your scientists tell you 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:22.120 where to drill and everything, and he goes, but sometimes 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:24.320 you got to have a feel for you know, what's 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:27.240 right or what's wrong. And so you know, they were 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:29.920 disputing that, and I said, well, yeah, it's just like 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:32.520 when he had a financial advisor telling him he was 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:35.719 crazy to buy the Cowboys in nineteen eighty nine, and 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:38.560 he went against logic because he had a feel that 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:41.040 I can make this work. And he has continued to 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:43.560 do that. Right, he made more money while having a 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:47.400 losing franchise, yeah, than while winning, and then he turned 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:50.280 it around and now he's worth how many billion, well 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:53.960 the most in the world. Right, franchise, sometimes you have 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:58.000 to kind of analyze the situation more so than the 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:00.640 history of the situation. Well, think there is a place 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:03.080 for analytics in the game, and Jason Garrett said yesterday 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:06.719 they use it basically is weekly part of their weekly prep. 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:10.400 It's not something they've got handy necessarily on game day. 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:12.800 And I guess to Mickey's point when he's talking about 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:16.800 you got to know the game situations. It's terrible weather, 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:19.560 it's fourth and seven, You've had trouble throwing the ball 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:23.160 all day. That probably factored in more than anything other 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:26.400 than what a stat tells you or who you're staying 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:29.880 that too, But I mean they those conditions were real. 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:32.040 I mean, when Tom Brady and Dak's having a hell 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:34.279 of a year, but the greatest quarterback of all time 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:36.720 is really struggling to throw the ball, that's those were 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:40.680 real conditions. You know what the analytics are on opponents 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:44.599 facing the Patriots this season, facing third and seven or 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:47.440 fourth and seven. Oh, what is it? Oh that's good, 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:50.360 Bill two for twenty five eight percent chance of making it. 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:53.200 I was gonna give him twenty five eight percent? What 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:55.360 it is? So all right? Did to put that in perspective. 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:58.320 But the worst team in the league, the Bengals, what 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:02.360 is the what's the percentage of making it on third 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:07.320 and seven or fourth and seven? No, No, let's say 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:10.280 now it was I'm doing this off the top of 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:11.800 my head. I looked it up yesterday. It was like 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:14.960 ten for thirty two. It was, you know, thirty thirty 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:17.840 something percent. Yeah, I wonder what the analytics tell you 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:23.200 if you had three chances, you just failed twice on 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:25.680 second and seven, third and so not. What are the 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:28.720 chances of making it the third time? Well, your chances 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:35.600 are greater because you've already used up to chances, So 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:38.719 eventually you're gonna make it. Oh, I had three chances 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:40.600 from the fourteen to put it in the end zone 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:43.880 and I failed on twelfth and seven. You'll make it. Yeah, Okay. 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:46.800 You can't just go on the philosophy well I'm due, right. 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:50.719 You can't say eventually it's gotta be my time. This 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:54.279 was always that was the vikings uh philosophy. When we 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:56.479 got down there, we hadn't gone with the quip all day, 0:06:56.560 --> 0:07:01.159 so you were doing we're doing philosophy on teams that 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:05.680 are losing. At some point they're gone. I wonder what 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:09.560 the analytics say on that straight chances of winning the 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:14.040 ninth See, here's here's the thing. You know, analytics, it's 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:16.160 been big for several years. One of the things that 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:19.000 it's big right now, and the and the guy that 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:21.520 everyone is saying what a genius he is right now 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:25.360 because of analytics is John Harbaugh and the Ravens are 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:28.000 sitting there at nine and two. And John Harbaugh said 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:30.040 in one of his press conferences earlier in the year 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:33.200 that he has an analytics guy, and in fact, in 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:36.640 his ear during games, he's got the analytics guy who 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:40.000 can chime in whenever there's a situation. And all right, 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:43.160 let's go back a year ago. Who was the hot 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:47.160 coach in the National Football League? Fired the Rams guy? 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:51.200 Shot did the Okay? The Rams played who last night? Baltimore? 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:54.720 That played the Ravens and so so last night? The 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:58.520 hot guy? Right now, John Harbaugh, what was the final score? 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:03.280 Forty five? Forty five to six? It's the final score 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:06.480 fifteen and so Sean McVay is no longer a genius, 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:15.440 righting the analytics better than all right, and go ahead, well, 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:18.800 let me throw this at you. A year ago, what 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:21.760 was the Ravens record through nine games of the season? 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:26.160 Maybet the Cowboys four and four and five. They were 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:28.640 four and five through nine games of the season. But 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:33.559 that is when Johnah Harbaugh decided to start using analytics, right, 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:38.360 absolutely interesting. He also decided to insert Lamar Jackson as 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:41.040 his quarterback. And they are they are fifteen and four 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:43.360 since he started using wait wait wait wait wait wait 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:49.000 wait ho ho on, I'd say the latter eclipse the 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:53.920 former being facetious, being facetious when I say he first 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:58.640 started using analytics for Weekden, but he didn't start using 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:02.199 Lamar Jackson in weeks in last year. That's pretty good 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:06.520 X fact. Yeah, that's right, X fact. Just back to 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:10.319 that fourth down. It was fourth and seven. Everybody disagrees 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:13.040 on this. A lot of people in the media, fans 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:14.800 say you got to go for in that situation. I 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:17.120 think we said yea, at least I said yesterday. It's 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:19.560 it's what did you do to get to that point? 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:22.520 I mean Dak went for the end zone on third 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:25.120 down for Jarwin. I trust him in that situation. He 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:27.560 didn't come up with the play. You go back and watch, 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:29.560 it looked like he had some room if you wanted 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:32.760 to scramble on that left side. That's the and I 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:35.560 think Garrett was asked about that yesterday when you talked 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:38.240 to Kellen about, hey, this is four down territory and 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:40.080 then kind of figure out from there what you're doing 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:42.160 on on third down to try to get to a 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:44.400 manageable fourth down. They didn't get to a manageable fourth down. 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:46.480 I didn't have a problem with kicking it there because 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:49.200 I don't I think the odds of you converting that 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:51.600 in that situation aren't very good and then and then 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:53.800 the game's probably over at that point. We all I 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:56.000 think we all agreed on that. Yeah, I think the 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:58.199 argument should have been what you did on second and third. 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:00.439 That's what I'm saying. Yes, we've talked about, right, and 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:04.720 I I straddle the fence on this, I guess, but 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:06.840 I don't have a problem if he decided, or if 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:10.360 anyone decided to go ahead and go for it on that. Okay, fine, 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:12.240 you got to make a decision one way or the other. 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:14.320 I would have gone ahead and kicked the field goal. 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:16.400 And one of the factors that I put into it, 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:19.160 you had six o four left in the game and 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:23.119 if it ticks, so three left three times three timeouts 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:28.480 and um, and okay, if you if you go for 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:32.800 it and don't make it, then the Patriots can end 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:34.960 the game by just going down and kicking a field 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:39.280 goal and making an attemple that because who says we're 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:41.800 going to get it back right right? And we still 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:43.679 had the chance to get it back even after all 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:45.560 of that, And ye, okay, the other part of it, 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:48.080 the other part of it is, Okay, let's say you 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:51.320 go for it and you score a touchdown. Now, are 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:58.920 you going for two? No? I bet you, I bet 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:02.800 you anything. The analytics say go for two. Oh, I'm 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:06.440 sure they do at that point. So so basically, like 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:08.440 when we were talking about, Troy was saying, you gotta 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:11.200 go for it here, Okay, all right, I wonder if 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:15.440 I wonder I wonder if Troy would also say you 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:17.520 got to go for two? And the thinking on that 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:20.640 is how many more chances do you have against this 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:23.439 defense to be in that position? Right? Yeah? Okay? And 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:28.280 so that same thinking has to hold true after you 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:31.200 score the touchdown, because how many more chances are you 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:34.120 going to be down there if if you have that mindset. 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:36.840 Speaking of going for it on fourth down, that was 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:41.640 also one of hall Boss new he's gonna go for 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:44.360 it on fourth down a lot and going for two, yes, 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:47.439 and going for two a lot. That's what wouldn't have 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:50.520 any qualms about that, right right? It's interesting. So and 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:54.520 and the problem with all that is the analytics don't 0:11:54.559 --> 0:12:00.000 have to handle if you're wrong, Like if you follow 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:03.880 the analytics and it fails, no one's blaming the analytic guy, right. 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:09.679 I think, by the way, for this research on this stuff, 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:15.840 how far back we're going five years, ten years, fifteen years. Well, 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:17.640 one of the things on the analytics doing it by 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:20.760 the way, well one of the things only why does 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:23.360 that matter? How when it was done? Why the information 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:27.920 does the information is it? Is it recent? Is its recent? Yeah? 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:30.800 I mean are we talking going back to Jim Brown? Error. 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:36.040 That's good, that's a good point. This is this is 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:40.800 what always bothered me with baseball managers, because anybody can 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.360 manage a game when you get into a tough situation 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:48.480 and the percentages say, I better have a right handed 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:51.440 pitcher pitching against a right handed batter, so I'm gonna 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:53.720 make the change, and if it doesn't work, it's like, 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:56.680 well I did what the percentages say, but my fault, 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:58.480 so don't blame me. So you so you win the 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:01.640 press conference after the game. Yeah, no, I mean it's 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:05.280 just because I followed the analytics. Yeah, you can use 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:07.200 someone can look it up and say, yeah he did, 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:11.440 or you know, I got a guy that's hitting decently, 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:13.920 but he's gonna have to face a right hander and 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:15.839 you go, now, I need a left hander up there. 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:17.600 I'm not trying to pile on you here from the 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:19.959 fan earlier, but I'm really not. But you don't think 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:22.680 it has any place at all as even as a reference. 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:25.320 I mean, I think you've got to watch what's going No, 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:32.840 I agree with its places within reason, right within reason. 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:37.800 Ask him. Tom Landry had twenty consecutive winning seasons, and 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:39.680 when he had to make a tough decision, people would 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:42.240 ask him what he'd well, why did you do that? 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:43.920 And you know what his answer was, all the time, Well, 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:46.680 I had this feel. He'd always talk about his feel 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:50.520 on a decision. At some point, you gotta, yes, you 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:53.600 gotta be human. There's times where Jason Garrett has gone it, 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:56.840 gone for it on fourth down in his own territory 0:13:57.000 --> 0:13:59.240 because he's got the pulse of his team and they're 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:01.480 they're controlling things up front, and you got Zeke and 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:03.120 your handed to him. I don't know what the analytics 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:05.240 tell you in certain situations, certain yard line. So yes, 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:07.839 I agree with you. I just I mean they are 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:10.280 using it some during the week. That is part of 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:14.120 what they do. It's not so I understand. I only 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:16.640 get you to a certain point. I just can't be 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:19.720 after that. You have to use your instincts as a 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:22.600 coach or as a player. If I'm sitting there here, 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:24.120 and I know that's gonna I'm going to against the 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:27.120 wide receiver who's extremely good. I went against six nine. 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:29.960 Hell call Michael. Okay, so what what do the analytics 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:31.520 tell me? How do I play him? On and off 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:34.320 in the red zone? How do I play him? I 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:36.400 don't know what the hell those analytics are. I just 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:40.360 gotta go figure out. I gotta go for it just well, 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:43.280 you know, so yeah, I mean, analysts can only go 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:45.800 so far, and eventually you have to go on the field. 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:50.040 But I think it does give you when you're talking percentages, 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:53.000 you know, when you're talking chances, we're talking odds. I mean, 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:55.240 it has to be considered. It's no doubt a balance, 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:58.040 and I think it's part of your preparation during the week, 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:01.760 getting ready for the game. And I don't think you 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:04.760 necessarily have to have that person in your ear telling 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:07.440 you this. If you have prepared for the game as 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:10.760 a head coach, you it's not rocket science. There's not 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:13.760 all that many situations that come up in a game. 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:16.800 That's a good point, and so you've got that and 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:19.680 a lot. If I was a head coach, I would 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:22.120 have a card in front of me. Okay, even if 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:25.000 I wasn't calling plays where I've got all that information. 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:27.200 Third and seven. This is where they are whatever and 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:29.360 they do, and that is what is done as your 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:32.560 normal preparation. And I guarantee you that's what's done here 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:36.000 as well as normal game plan preparation. And before they 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:39.520 called it analytics, I can go back thirty years ago, right, 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:42.200 and you have to decide if I'm going to kick 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:45.440 an extra point or go for two? Remember the cards 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:50.960 at this score, you go for two? Control? Yeah, just 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:56.720 quality control, all right? When we continue on talking Cowboys, Rob, 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:59.160 do you have a report prepared for what Jerry said 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:01.160 on the radio this morning. I'll do my best, okay, 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:04.040 and we'll do that and much more. May talk tripping 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:08.120 when we come back to Olor is a proud sponsor 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:11.440 of the Dallas Cowboys, helping fans see more and do 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:15.160 more with our best vision solutions. Our lens technologies reveal 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:17.720 a world more beautiful than you can imagine. For a 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:20.600 limited time, get the Slur next Gen offer for you 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:24.320 by the latest generation of Transitions lenses. 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I'm guessing it would be. 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:58.720 Let me see, Oklahoma, maybe there in and Baylor for sure. 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:02.840 The Baylor's who won when they faced off the first time, Mickey, 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:10.040 I think someone came back from eight to three. But 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:14.400 the Baylor Bears get their second chance on Saturday, December 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:17.880 seventh at AT and T Stadium. Kickoff is at eleven am. 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:21.000 Don't miss your opportunity to get tickets before they sell out. 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:25.280 Tickets on sale now at seat geek dot com. I'm 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:28.680 such a hurt guy. I'm such a hurt fan. Oh yeah, yeah, 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:31.400 I love that guy. Oh yeah, I like the way 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:33.520 he improved. It's like kind of like that, you know, 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:36.159 to where you can see what about NFL? Then he's 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:39.399 talking about Jalen Hurts, the quarterback. Bro. Yes, I do 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:44.800 think it's just another Lamar Jackson amazing. Well, yeah, that's everybody. 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:48.360 That's everybody that can be changed, yea, that can be altered, 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:50.600 that could be improved. As an ou fan, I was 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:53.040 hoping that would change after the Texas game and it 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:55.200 did not change this. He got a little scared after 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:59.600 the TCU pick six. Yeah, pick on the goal line. 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:02.320 But but I'll tell you and people talk about Lincoln 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:07.320 Riley being a NFL coach. Whatever I'm yelling at Lincoln 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:09.840 Riley is as much as a lot of fans are 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:12.400 yelling at Jason Garrett some of the end game decisions. 0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:14.680 And in fact, on that play that was a pick 0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:18.080 six for TCU that I knew they were throwing to 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:20.720 CD Lamb. They put him in motion. It was so 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:23.320 obvious that they were the play was coming, he slipped 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:25.360 on his route and he got picked. All right, only 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:26.959 goal line they had the game. I mean they're going 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:32.000 up thirty five seventeen all of a sudden. Yeah, And anyway, 0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:34.840 and that hurts in their rankings too. Yeah, that that 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:38.000 pick six, you know, that could have cost them one spot. 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:41.080 All right, Rob Jerry on the radio today, what were 0:20:41.119 --> 0:20:44.480 some highlights? Well, he got asked again about the coaching 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:50.199 criticism that he gave after Sunday's loss, and he basically said, up, 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:51.880 you know, I feel the same way, but he kind 0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:55.159 of clarified it in that I think a lot of 0:20:55.160 --> 0:21:00.119 people were probably surprised by how critical he was. I 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:04.359 don't think he's normally that vocally frustrated with loss after 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:06.879 a game, but he pointed out look I'm I'm not 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:10.119 just the owner. I'm the GM. This is the staff 0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:13.119 that I put together, and so I'm evaluating this whole 0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:17.280 thing and it's my responsibility. So that's that's where he's 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:19.520 coming from on that, and he said, ultimately, the buck 0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:24.000 stops with me. So that's that's where they're at. And 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:25.680 he hasn't you know, he got asked that he as 0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:28.159 he met with Jason this week and they haven't because 0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:31.960 this is typical during the short Thanksgiving week, they don't 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:33.639 have those types of personnel meetings and they're on to 0:21:33.680 --> 0:21:36.600 Buffalo and try to get this thing right. It are 0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:39.320 they It's a question about as he met with Jason, 0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:42.399 what are they getting at when they asked the question 0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:46.040 like that. I ask him questions about the decision on 0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:49.560 fourth down and the problems on somefessional teams. Just have 0:21:49.640 --> 0:21:52.840 you met with him personally about the things that bothered 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:54.840 way about that game? And the thing that he really 0:21:54.840 --> 0:21:57.639 harped on, obviously was the special teams and talking about 0:21:57.640 --> 0:22:01.200 how that's pure coaching and you know, Keith o Quinn, 0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:04.600 their special teams coordinator, works really hard getting these guys 0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:07.600 prepared and the weather was bad and they there were 0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:10.000 some mistakes obviously that were costly in that game, but 0:22:10.280 --> 0:22:12.680 they got turned around. When you think about the game, 0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:16.080 you think about the environment, Yeah, it kind of weighs 0:22:16.119 --> 0:22:18.760 on you, you know, mentally and how you act. And 0:22:18.840 --> 0:22:23.080 you know, I've always said Craft and Jones have something 0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:25.200 going on with each other. You're right, there's a little 0:22:25.200 --> 0:22:27.960 pain going on. And it came out and said something 0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:31.440 because this game, along with the conditions and the drama, 0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:36.040 all the emotion, I think that whole Jones versus crafting 0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:39.960