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Speaker 1: Soft Prep Radio on Time on Target. I'm Ian Scotto.

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Speaker 1: It's just me this episode. Hopefully you guys are not

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Speaker 1: I hope you guys enjoyed these last few episodes. I

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Speaker 1: because he was. He was he wrote a Harley he was.

428
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 1: There was more to Richard than just the guy who

429
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: taught martial arts, so to speak. And he told this

430
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: one story where this one guy um was bugging him.

431
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 1: He says, yeah, you know all that kung fu crap.

432
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 1: You know, you think you're a big tough guy and

433
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: all this and that, I know, you think you can

434
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: beat people up and all that, And of course Richard

435
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm just I'm just a

436
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: guy who teaches this stuff. And he kept bugging and

437
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: bugging and bugging, bugging him, and he said, okay, you know,

438
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: after a few days of this or whatever, he said,

439
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 1: come on. You want to give it a shot, Let's

440
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 1: go outside and I'll let you. I'll let you give

441
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: it a go. You can sort me out. So they

442
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: walked out and Richard looked at him and he said, look,

443
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: you know what, here's the deal. I'll give you the

444
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: first shot. If you can knock me out, then you

445
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: knocked me out. So let's just do this, okay, so

446
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 1: you can. You can go ahead and hit me. I'm

447
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: not even gonna be have my hands up or anything.

448
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: Just go ahead and hit me as hard as you can.

449
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: And he said. The guy reared back to throw a

450
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: haymaker at him, and Richard blasted him with a straight

451
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: cross right on the chin and dropped into the ground

452
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 1: because he said, he guys, the minute he started to

453
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: rear back, I cracked him. You know, yeah, you know

454
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: it's funny why you're telling that story. As I say,

455
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,400
Speaker 1: there's as us set up some of my He says,

456
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: he can take the first. I've done things like that

457
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: in the past. I like to take a shot. Yeah.

458
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: It never worked out well for no, no, no, because

459
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: you know it's funny, because uh people, I just it's

460
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: it's so funny. I just wrote something about that about

461
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: the importance of the name of the article was Fakes,

462
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: Feints and Distractions, and it kind of yeah, And I

463
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: went through that and I said, you know, it's unfortunate

464
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: because I posed a question in the article. I said,

465
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,959
Speaker 1: you know, it's a it's a vital tool, it is

466
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 1: so so important. But how many of you have gone

467
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: to a class, stood in front of a combatis instructor

468
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: or a martial arts instructor and he's and and had

469
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: him say, well, thanks for coming to today's class. We're

470
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 1: going to practice fakes today. And I never ever had

471
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: that happen, and I'm willing to bet that most people

472
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: have never ever had that happened. But I'll tell you what,

473
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 1: a good fake is as valuable as the punt. You

474
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? Oh, oh absolutely. I mean. I

475
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: worked with a guy out of Virginia. He's a tenth

476
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: degree under under Jerry Pennington actually m and one of

477
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 1: the things and I've known him since he was fourteen,

478
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 1: and I'm about to promote him into something I just

479
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: created over the past twenty five years. And he uh.

480
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: One of the things he does, he goes out and

481
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: does a lot of seminars with black belts and stuff,

482
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: and you know we're called fakes and distractions. And but

483
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: what he does is he teaches people how to create

484
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: a false fight in one spot to draw the person

485
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: off you know. Oh yeah, ye hit me on the chin,

486
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: right absolutely, I mean honest, it's like dropping your guard. Uh.

487
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: And you know, if the guys are gonna pick up

488
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: on it, you know where he's gonna throw the punch

489
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: before he even knows he's gonna throw the punch. Oh yeah.

490
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: Joe Lewis always used to tell me when you work

491
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: one guys, you gotta teach them. You gotta teach your

492
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: opponent how to block. I got it. So you know

493
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: those fakes, you just put it out there where you

494
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: know his hands are gonna be yours or whatever. Yeah,

495
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: then you throw that fake, draw it off it. Yeah

496
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: well you know yeah, yeah, Like I like your I

497
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: like to speak to guys that know the industry, and

498
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: I want to say not the industry, but but the basics,

499
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: the step by step, the psychology of the strategies, everything

500
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: that goes behind it, and and it makes for a

501
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: good conversation, you know. And this nice even though we're

502
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: from you know, opposite ends of the spectrum. You know,

503
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: it's the same language, you know, and it's really nice

504
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: to hear somebody with not only you know it puts

505
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: it out there, but you know it has the technically

506
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: that that psychological background. To thank you again, I truly

507
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: appreciate those compliments coming from you. Uh. But you know

508
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, uh, the I used to see

509
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: people and I go, you know what that guy, Oh, well,

510
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: I'll tell you a quick side side story. And this

511
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: this involved Dan in a Santo and uh, after I'd

512
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: been there like the first year or so, I had

513
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: just a moment to ask him a question because he

514
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: was still you know, seafood Dan, and you just didn't

515
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: walk up and start up a conversation. I still felt

516
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: that that deference to his uh, to the respect for

517
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: him and all that. But I did ask him. I said, uh, see,

518
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: what what will we be doing a year from now?

519
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: Is there is there a lot more stuff that is

520
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: going to be coming down the road for us. And

521
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: he said, you know what, You're gonna be doing the

522
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: same thing you're doing right now, just be doing a

523
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: little better. And I was like, wow, that that to me. See,

524
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a I'm a hammer and nail guy.

525
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: I you know, I don't want to clutter up my my.

526
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know how to tell Oh, here's

527
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: how I described it. You can run into guys who

528
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: know every stat for a football player that exists, and

529
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: this guy had three interceptions in this game and blah

530
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: blah blah, and then you go, did you ever play football? No?

531
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: And I'm going, okay, I don't know any of that, ship,

532
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: But I played football, and I played it. I played

533
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: it with every ounce of strength and passion in my body,

534
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: and I over the years, I figured myself out in that. Um,

535
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just about doing it. There's a lot of

536
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: stuff that you you you will self learn or you

537
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: just learn from experience of being in in it. Uh

538
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: that it kind of comes to the surface and all

539
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: the other ship just you know what, I don't have

540
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: time for a lot of that crap. I guess it

541
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: comes down to, well, what what Danna told you was true?

542
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: You know, because you know one of the things that

543
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: you know when Joe Lewis and I would, I'll tell

544
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: you what. We just talk a lot about fiving and

545
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: training and and we'll talk about, yeah, developing your perfection

546
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: or you know, developing a punch or strike, and you know,

547
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: every every punch, every kick, everything that you throw with

548
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: a weapon, all without you have to throw reps and

549
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: every speed and every angle that you intend to use

550
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: it to to get comfortable with it. So yeah, yeah,

551
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: that's that's a lot of practice, a lot of repetitions.

552
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: You know. Well, you know, Jim, that's that's the thing

553
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: that made Joe Lewis who he is. That's what what

554
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: made you who you are. That's what made Bruce Lee.

555
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: One time I heard Dan actually made a statement that

556
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: a guy uh I went up to Bruce and made

557
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: the comment, Look, you know what, I truly appreciate who

558
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: you are and what you can do, but I'll never

559
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: be as good as you because you've got you've got

560
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: a natural ability, you're you've you've got something nobody else has.

561
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: And Bruce looked at him and he said, no, he goes,

562
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: you're the same as me, but if you worked out

563
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: sixteen hours a day, you'd be as good as I am.

564
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: And I mean again, that put it into perspective. And Jim,

565
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,239
Speaker 1: the thing that makes guys like you and Joe and

566
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: all these other guys Dan is they're the ones who

567
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: put in the extra time. They're the guys who do that.

568
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: They don't do fifteen repetitions, they do fifteen thousand repetitions. Yeah,

569
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: you know, most people are not, especially now right now,

570
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: this moment. It's like, I mean, there's good guys, don't

571
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: go Don't get me wrong, there's there's always going to

572
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: be the those kids, those young stallions that are just

573
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 1: as dedicated as you were or I might have been. Uh,

574
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: but overall, I think most people are just that's what

575
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: separates the they want it now, you know, over night

576
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: it just doesn't happen that way. Yeah, you can't. You

577
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: can't get good at anything without putting the time in

578
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: and and facing hard work. I mean, I've often asked

579
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: this question too. It's like, why do I do this ship?

580
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: Why do I do something that has injured me over

581
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: the years time and time again. I'm not making any money.

582
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: I don't make any money going out there and getting

583
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: my head stove in or anything. And but I I

584
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: love it. I love every second of it, and I

585
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't change one damn thing. But I thought, you know,

586
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: what the hell is wrong with me? What screw is

587
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 1: this has come loose? There I go, I go back

588
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: to when, you know, the time we come out of

589
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: a different generation. You know, today, I guess we're not

590
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: boys and girls anymore. We're just people. And you know,

591
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: when we're young, girls player with Barbie dolls. And he

592
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: has heard me say this before. And while they're playing

593
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: with Barbie dolls, a little boys are out there playing

594
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: King in the Mountain. So it was a toy. I've

595
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: always believed that we're gonna make it better. And you know,

596
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: somebody can hit harder, punch faster, or whatever, and you

597
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: pick up on it. It's I think it's inbred, you know,

598
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: some of it the generationally, but we just want more,

599
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: you know. And of course, like you said, some younger

600
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: young guys have it, but it comes from somewhere, you know,

601
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: their parents, a good teacher down the block that you

602
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 1: just you know, I couldn't get away from because it

603
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: was that good. You know, you always want to you

604
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: always want to get faster and stronger, make it work.

605
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: You know. Well it's funny. Uh. I was just listening

606
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: to uh Tim Kennedy on a on a podcast actually,

607
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: and he was talking about, uh, that there is a

608
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: deficit in special forces. UH candidates right now, and that

609
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: when you take the when when you have to narrow

610
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: down the field to you know, a hundred guys going in,

611
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: eight guys coming out. Uh, you know, you're you're getting

612
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 1: down to the nitty gritty as far as how many

613
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,280
Speaker 1: people are actually gonna, you know, be able to become

614
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 1: a Special Forces graduate or whatever. And he said, right now,

615
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: the Army has identified that there is a deficit of

616
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: candidates because the young they can't pass a simple pt

617
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 1: the basic pt UH requirements. They can't. Uh, there's a

618
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,240
Speaker 1: measurement I guess that they use, which is neck and

619
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: and wait and waste measurement that guys don't pass that,

620
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: so they can't even qualify to try it even if

621
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: they wanted to. Well, you know, you know what's interesting

622
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: about that, Ernie, So I know exactly what you're talking

623
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: about because I heard that interview on Joe Rogan. Yeah.

624
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: I sent it over to the guys at the site.

625
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: And there seems to be some discrepancy there though, because

626
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: we actually talked about it a while back when Jack

627
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: Murphy was on, and according to Jack, Tim is not

628
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: accurate in that, so well I hope he's not. Yeah,

629
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: according but I mean I thought it was an interesting

630
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: discussion because I think everything he said about like kids

631
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: being out of shape, they're not. They're not running, they're

632
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: just eating whatever the hell they want. Like it. It

633
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: makes sense to me. But according to Jack at least,

634
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: he's like, there's no shortage of those guys who want

635
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: to go in and be SF. But um, it's one

636
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: of those things I'd have to get Jack back on

637
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: to get into it because I'm I'm the civilian guy here.

638
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: I don't know if you have any input on that.

639
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: You forget I'm one of those guys, Yes you are.

640
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: It was different when I went through first, when Jack

641
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: went through, Yeah, anybody, you know, because when we went through,

642
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: you didn't get to recycle. You know, like maybe if

643
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: it was a medical, but you could not make the

644
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: cut line and come back to the next class. So

645
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: you know, I mean when you finish, you had blisters

646
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: on your feet, broken bones. I mean, I mean, it

647
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: was either all or none, So you didn't get a

648
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: second chance basically, And that was the mindset going into it.

649
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: So the mindset I think is different now than before

650
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,439
Speaker 1: because you can go in there and you can be

651
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: in reasonable shape and then realize Holy crap. I'm not

652
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: a pretty war as you know, six weeks of hanging

653
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: out in the mud in the woods and you know somewhere,

654
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: you know, there's a psychological breakdown more than a physical breakdown.

655
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: But then they get to go back and readjust is

656
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: it really what I want? And some people get to

657
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 1: three or four shots at it? You know. Uh, back

658
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: back in the sixties and seventies and before you got

659
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 1: one bite at the apple and that was it. So,

660
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: you know, the minds that was totally different. We didn't

661
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 1: have and I'm gonna tell you that, dude, we didn't

662
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: have vehicles. It was all under a rucksack. You know,

663
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: we didn't have satellite radios and calling home to mom

664
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: health cell phone hadn't even been invented, need to have

665
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: the computer. So when you go out there, it's it's

666
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: you know, it's the mind mindset that's different now, I think.

667
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: I mean, there's some merit to both of what Jack

668
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 1: says and to what Ernie and Tim say, but but

669
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: they're they're seeing it through a different color lens. You

670
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 1: have to actually have lived just just like Ernie came

671
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: up with, you know, Hell, Dannie and Asanto and those

672
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: those guys. That's how many people can say that because

673
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: you know, if you know anything about you know, the

674
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: the Psycho League guys, Danny. But those are a very

675
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: unique group of people that if you spend a year

676
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 1: or more with them, whatever you do, you do it

677
00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: much better than the guy in the neighborhood anywhere else around. Hey,

678
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: I wanted to get onto something else because you know,

679
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: martial arts isn't the only thing that you guys overlap in.

680
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: It's also you know what your profession is, Ernie with

681
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: Emerson Knives, And of course I let everybody know at

682
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: the end, you know where they can get Emerson's products

683
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: and stuff. And I know you guys are working on

684
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: some awesome stuff as well as the podcast that you're doing,

685
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: by the way, which we'll talk about. But um, I

686
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: was actually gonna ask you first, Jim, because if people

687
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: go back to the first time Ernie was on, you

688
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: could hear the whole story of how you started crafting

689
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: your own knives, and it wasn't something that you were

690
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 1: like looking to do. It's almost like you fell into it.

691
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: But for Jim, like, as a guy who grew up

692
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: with martial arts, grew up fighting, when did the fascination

693
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: with knives come along. Well, let's put it this way.

694
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: My my fascination and you know with what we used

695
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: to call an equalizer came at in the fourth grade.

696
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 1: Um so my first piece is about a ten inch

697
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 1: piece of quarter inch rebar. And then when I realized

698
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: I could extend my ring, you know, and uh, I

699
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: started playing with everything, kitchen knives, butter knives, just basically

700
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: self teaching myself. And I realized that anything that you

701
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: can put in your hands becomes an improvised weapon. You know.

702
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: I didn't get into the actually when I was in

703
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 1: the seventy three, seventy four or five six. The kung

704
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: fu instructor that I had back then used to play

705
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: with the gurkha and the swords and stuff. So and

706
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: like I said, I met Heidiochi back then. He's a

707
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: masterful Japanese summurai guy. It's amazing. And once you see

708
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: it up close and personal, uh yeah, I think, I think.

709
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: And Ernie you may you know, say you know a

710
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: little bit about how you got there. But to me,

711
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: once you get a weapon in your hand, I went

712
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: through the I went through the process of sorry, I

713
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: went through the process of you know, none chuckers to

714
00:41:55,400 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: patns to you know, you know, to just ears and

715
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: swords and so you know, but what you know, through

716
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: the years, as I got older and I didn't have

717
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: time to train, you know, you know, back to Ernie's

718
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: initial uh statement about foot work, how to stand? How

719
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: to you know, I think it really important or instance,

720
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,720
Speaker 1: you just teach a guy how to you know, wherever

721
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: you are at the time to fight is your stance basically,

722
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: And so you know, these are short knives actually that

723
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: that and a lot of the knives I've looked at

724
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: Ernie's collections and stuff. Uh. Truth is, if you're in

725
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: the back alley of street or even a kicking doors

726
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: in a combat situation, uh, it's an awesome equalize or

727
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: a backup weapon. And and and you know, there are

728
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,720
Speaker 1: very simple rules. I told somebody when I was working

729
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: when I did my that live stream cut one, you know,

730
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: knife thing on Facebook live. Uh. The guy says, do

731
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: you teach control techniques? And I said, no, I teach

732
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: how to control technique. You know. It's it's funny you

733
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: bring that up, because I've I've got a bone to

734
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 1: pick with some of the intricate things that people try

735
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 1: to teach when it comes to knives, and maybe we'll

736
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: talk about that, but it's it's it is out of control.

737
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 1: It's just that hopefully you're the one who's directing that. Yeah, well,

738
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of the guys will put a

739
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: little knob or something on a you know, not just

740
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: to break a window, but control you know, like on

741
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: a wrist grab or some some control technique in that sense.

742
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna, honestly, in my opinion, if you're

743
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: at that level, I'm not gonna be trying to put

744
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 1: an armball on a guy with with with tal on

745
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: or well, Jim. It's the same thing as if I

746
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: have to pull my gun out. It's not to top

747
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: tap you on the side of the head whether it's

748
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: too it's to put around through the side of your head.

749
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of guys miss some of

750
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: this because they this the storry state of what is

751
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 1: being taught as edged weapons. I got it. You gotta

752
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: make this. This instructor, the instructor, they gotta they gotta

753
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: make a living. There's a lot of siminar stuff out

754
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: there they're teaching. Uh I call it sword fighting, and

755
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 1: that that ain't happening, and it never has happened. And

756
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,439
Speaker 1: you know, if I have to pull a knife out,

757
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: that means now I'm in a deadly force encounter. That's

758
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: the only reason I would have that knife out. So

759
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 1: I need to be able to use that knife. It's

760
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: not you know. Yes, I actually have had a couple

761
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: of people say something was escalating, they pulled a knife out,

762
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: the other guy back down. That's that's great, that's fucking perfect.

763
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: But if it ever comes to you pulling your gun

764
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: or pull on your knife, serious ship has hit the

765
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: fan and it's not gonna be dancing in and out

766
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: or trying to control his wrist. Uh. I got to

767
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 1: eliminate that threat. If I've made the decision that that

768
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 1: it warrants me pulling out the knife, then there's no

769
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: Then it's no hold spark. Oh yeah, I mean I've

770
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: been in three or four, I guess fights, real world

771
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: fights where I've been attacked with a knife, you know,

772
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: and when someone's gonna kill you, that's a whole different thing. Man,

773
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: they're trying. And I've been in fights where I probably

774
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 1: had three to five knives on me and never pulled them. Yep,

775
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: And they probably never knew how to mom, but for me,

776
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: it's if you need them, you know. And and as

777
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: far as you know, philosophically, I like to teach very

778
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: very simple. You know, if you stab, your slash, if

779
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: you slash your stab, you know, it's pretty much that easy.

780
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: And then almost out of a boxing stance, you know,

781
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: how to work with the I really like the shorter

782
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: the blade the better, you know, because because I'm not

783
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: going to change the guy across the street to night fight.

784
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: When or stabbing, usually it's a defensive mechanism and the

785
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: guy is already on top of it, you know. You know.

786
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 1: That's another thing people miss is that there are a fight.

787
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: A fight has a set of parameters that never changes.

788
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: I have to be able to touch you. You have

789
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: to be able to touch me. And I'm not talking

790
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: about firearms or anything like that. I'm saying to be

791
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: in a fight, we have to be able to touch

792
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: each other. Well, that touching only last for the amount

793
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 1: of time it takes the two people to clash. Because

794
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: it's funny because when people say, you know, the jiu

795
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: jitsu guys or the Gray season all let they always say,

796
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: you know, all fights to go to the ground. That's

797
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: pretty pretty damn accurate. Not one of the time, but

798
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: most of the time, it's gonna end up in a

799
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: quote unquote rastling match. And you know, depending on your

800
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: skill level or comfort level, you may you know, go

801
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: right down to the ground with the guy. Uh. One

802
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,919
Speaker 1: good thing I think that happens is when you take

803
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: someone down to the ground, most people their first reaction

804
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 1: is I got to get back on my feet, which

805
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 1: gives you, as a wrestler or a judo or jiu

806
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 1: jitsu guy, a great advantage because now they're they're not

807
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: so concerned about you as they are about trying to

808
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: get back on their on their tippy toes. And the

809
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: thing about knives, and I wrote down a note here

810
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 1: because I knew you. I don't know how that I

811
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: knew this should come up. And I said, look, uh,

812
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: the knife that is your it's the same thing as

813
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: the stance. What's the best fighting knife. It's the knife

814
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: you have on you when you're in a fight with

815
00:47:55,200 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: a knife. And and as far as uh quote unquote

816
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 1: a combat knife, which is a totally different horse, I think, Uh,

817
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: you know, people say, Ernie, why, how how dare you

818
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: say you're making fighting knives when you're making these little

819
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: folding knives. And I said, well, what the funk man,

820
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 1: am I going to take on the k bar, which

821
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: has been probably the most used combat knife that's ever

822
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: been I mean, it's been there, done that for probably

823
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: almost a hundred years. I'm not going to improve on

824
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 1: the Marine Corps k bar. Uh. But most people don't

825
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 1: carry k bars when they're not in a combat environment.

826
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: So you need to have a knife that you will

827
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: carry all of the time. And you brought up that

828
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 1: thing about the little points and the knobs and that

829
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: you know, dragon's teeth and all the crap these guys.

830
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: I mean, honest, it's got to be the one that

831
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: you always have on you, in your pocket or wherever

832
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: you carry it, because you don't get to pick when

833
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: ship hits the fan. Uh, and you'd never know when

834
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 1: it's going to be an emergency, and and uh, it's

835
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: way more likely than because it's happened. It's happened to

836
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 1: me half a dozen times. I've had to use my

837
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: knife because I walked into or drove up to somebody

838
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: that was in dire straits and we had to we

839
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: had to cut them loose, or I had to cut

840
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: kind of kids shoelaces off and he was stuck in

841
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: the damn uh escalator one time. Uh So, you know,

842
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: people get hung up on a lot of you know,

843
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: and maybe you're gonna alienate a bunch of the knife

844
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 1: making community because I'm supposed tow the line about what

845
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: what if the standards are, it's a lot of it's

846
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,919
Speaker 1: it's bullshit. It's bullshit. It doesn't matter if you've got

847
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: a glock or a forty five or a smith. If

848
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: you can't shoot, it doesn't matter what the fucking weapon is.

849
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,479
Speaker 1: If you can shoot, then you can put anything your hand.

850
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: Same principle. Yeah, I agree with thousand percent. But the

851
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: further your case though, it's it's not alienateing the if

852
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: you're if you're alienating any of the nighte community. They

853
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: gotta understand the difference between okay, bar you know, in

854
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: World War Two and coming out, the rules of engagement

855
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: were different. You know, you could keep it out there

856
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: on the end. Now the rules of engagement they virtually

857
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: have to be on topy you before you can deploy

858
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 1: a weapon. So oh yeah, there's short blades work really well,

859
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: so you have it tells to me be a lot

860
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 1: of in my opinion, uh emphasis on quick draw how

861
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: to conceal. You know, for me, that's vitally important. Oh yeah,

862
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: well yeah, because you never really you know, when I

863
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: said that about showing that guy the knife, and I've

864
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 1: never had to do that because again, like you said,

865
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: you don't know that I've got a gun, and you

866
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: don't know that I've got a knife, because there's no

867
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: reason on the face of the earth to posture with

868
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: it because that's gonna lead to that could actually make

869
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: somebody die that didn't need to die, and it couldn't

870
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: be me. And the thing, yeah, I mean, honest, it's

871
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: it's still a roll of the dice. I mean a

872
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: lucky shot with a knife. I mean I can take

873
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,439
Speaker 1: a punch, maybe a lucky sucker punch. But if there's

874
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 1: this piece of sharp steel or like you said, a

875
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: piece of rebar on the end of that in that

876
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: guy's hand, it might be lights out and it might

877
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: be lights out forever. So you know, uh, the thing

878
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 1: about the uh having having a knife that's a combat

879
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,760
Speaker 1: knife versus a uh what I call a tactical knife.

880
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: That's the delineation that I'm making. You know, there's no, Uh,

881
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna you're gonna know a soldier has a knife

882
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 1: on it because they're issued knives and we all we

883
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: all know that, so to speak. But you know, dealing

884
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: more with now that every every good guy and every

885
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 1: bad guy's got a knife on him out there, and

886
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: it's it's a concealed, little folding knife that's clipped probably

887
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: in their pocket. Yeah, you know that changes things. Do

888
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: you ever notice? I mean, if you've been involved with

889
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: the arts self defense most of your life and you know,

890
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: I do a visual cursory search, look at the hands,

891
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 1: a body of the shirt tail that you know, the

892
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: clothing of a thousand people that they walking down the street.

893
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: A lot of these knives just you know, they've got

894
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 1: the silver clips on them and stuff, and they you

895
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: know what you know, as far as camouflaging or using

896
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: dark and black or brown, you know, knives you know

897
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: that don't shine and reflect light. I was wanting to

898
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: get Ernie's a well opinion, you know, but about that,

899
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: it's funny that that you touched on something because you're

900
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: one of those guys eyes and I'm one of those

901
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: guys too. I see people in a completely different way

902
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: than than the average person walking around and condition white.

903
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: I you know, I'm not going to look at at

904
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: the little old lady and as a threat or anything,

905
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 1: but uh, definitely all males between the ages of sixteen

906
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: and and and I view, I check them out, I

907
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: look them over. I see exactly what you're talking about.

908
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: It pops out like a freaking red flashing light. Uh

909
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: you know, they they got a knife. And and again,

910
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 1: my my goal is to never ever have that sucker

911
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: punch thrown at me. And uh so you know, concealment, awareness,

912
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 1: all of those things, those are flip sides of of

913
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: of the same coin. Uh. Yeah, the I think that

914
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 1: a lot of people, jim, Uh, I want to show

915
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: off that I've got a knife, whether they do it

916
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: consciously or consciously. Uh, especially guys that do a little

917
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: bit of training. If if you know, again, I'm probably

918
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: gonna piss off a whole bunch of suckers. But anyway,

919
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people do not truly understand

920
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: the fucking gravity a knife is a deadly weapon. You

921
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 1: will go to jail, and you may go to jail

922
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: for a long long time. So you've got to treat

923
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: that just like a gun. Uh, I do not want

924
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:36,399
Speaker 1: my opponent to know what I've got. I don't want

925
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: my opponent to to assume that I'm right handed or

926
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: left handed, all those things and concealment. I mean, it's

927
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: the old thing. All war is deception, and it's just

928
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: a matter of who can be more deceptive than the

929
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: other that gets that gives you a great advantage. So, uh,

930
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: you know, again, does it really matter if my if

931
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,720
Speaker 1: my spider kro knife or something has a silver blade

932
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: on it or not? Not so much as does it

933
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: have a silver clip on it? Uh? Yeah, because when

934
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: we're rolling around on the ground and I can get

935
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 1: it out of my pocket and I have to, you know,

936
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: punch you under the arm or in the side or whatever,

937
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,879
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter where it's happening. It's all feel at

938
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 1: that point anyway. So whether it's a black blade or

939
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: silver blade mocks knicks if you will. But yeah, it's

940
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 1: it's a vitally important thing. And again, but Jim, you're

941
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: coming from a different world. I mean, honest to God,

942
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: when you said knife user, you don't mean a guy

943
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: out there will and sharpen your pencil. You're talking about

944
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 1: a guy, you know. Uh, And I don't think a

945
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: lot of people are of that ILK And there are

946
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 1: there are people that are what I would call tactically aware,

947
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 1: if you will, but honest, the majority of them, it's

948
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:00,479
Speaker 1: a it's almost like a show off thing. We were

949
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: talking to hoys last week and I brought up I

950
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:07,240
Speaker 1: mentioned it. You know, we focused so much on guns, guns,

951
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: guns every time you turn on the TV going after

952
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 1: the Second Amendment, you know whatever. I'm not trying to

953
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 1: be political here, but so I I just mentioned that

954
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: people it's not oh yeah, we never hear you never

955
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: hear about it. Well, you're way more likely And I

956
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: don't have the numbers, but I do know you're way

957
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: more likely to survive a gunshot than you are a

958
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: knife attack. Uh so yeah, and in fact check it out.

959
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:46,240
Speaker 1: Um England, Holy crap, man, knife attacks and killings with knives.

960
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 1: It's ramping over there, and guys are you know they

961
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,479
Speaker 1: pull knives out and just stab you as they're walking by.

962
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not not all you guys in England.

963
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: Don't get down on me, but I'm just saying that

964
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 1: there's a yuh, there's a huge problem over there with

965
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 1: nights and when when I was over there. I was

966
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 1: working with some of the guys from the guards, the

967
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 1: guards at Parliament, and we went out and one of

968
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: the guys, who's he's a friend of mine, he said, Ernie,

969
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 1: they we've had police that have been called to a

970
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: like a prowler in the backyard. Please show up. We're

971
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: not armed, you know, and everyone knows that. And five

972
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: or six guys jumped the police officer and just stabbed

973
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: the ship out of him and kill him. And yeah,

974
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: I mean and you survived at eye, still alive and

975
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: thrashing about. That's the goal here, right, Hey, before before

976
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: we like wrap things up and get to what you're

977
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: working on, Ernie, which is a ton of stuff. I

978
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: figured now would be a good time for for you

979
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: to mention Jim, because you were talking about how you

980
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: like shorter uh knives and that kind of gets into

981
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 1: the knives that you've designed, like the talent, and I

982
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: figured it'd be cool to get you to get Ernie's

983
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: take on on I believe it's just really two knives

984
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: that you've designed that are out there. Well have you

985
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: did you? Did you send Ernie the Yes? I watched it.

986
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: I watched it. Man, you could be you could be

987
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: one of those card dealers that are a magician. Man,

988
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: I had the manufacturer's rep in the in the agent itself,

989
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: you know, the market marketing agent called me up from California.

990
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: Go holy ship ninety. I'm sure of the world couldn't

991
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: do what you're doing, just sitting there playing around. I'm like,

992
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: I thought, well, I drive a lot. It's funny, you

993
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 1: said a magician, because it's just like a card carbonage,

994
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: you know, the slide of hands, you know, when I'm driving,

995
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: and I'm always squeezing those hand crunchers and uh and

996
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: I'm I've got a couple of trainers I'm doing and

997
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: I typically like to work with live blades because it

998
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,439
Speaker 1: keeps me alert. And I just all the time doing

999
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, you know, to where it's just

1000
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: like walking from me. So, well, it's funny to say that,

1001
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: because you know, I'm laughing at it when you're telling

1002
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 1: me that, because I'm going, goddamn it, I've got the

1003
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: grippers in my car. I've gotten Maybe maybe I shouldn't

1004
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: say this. I've got I've got the Bally songs in

1005
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: my car. I've got crambits in my car. I do

1006
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: the same damn thing. And again I'm not recommending that.

1007
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: By the way, folks, you should always have two hands

1008
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 1: on the wheel, but that's not me. Yeah, I'll do

1009
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: it left handed, right handed. Yeah, so sometimes I do

1010
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: both hands at the same time and driving my knees.

1011
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: And so what's your opinion about that the parameters or

1012
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: talent in this case. Well, you know, the the thing

1013
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 1: about a weapon is you never want to let the

1014
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: bad guy take the weapon away from you, and you

1015
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: never want to drop your weapon. And I think one

1016
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: of the big advantages to the crambit, Uh, I think

1017
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 1: I think it's one of the major advantages of the

1018
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 1: crambit is because it's wrapped your fingers through that hole.

1019
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you could knock me down and I could

1020
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: use both hands to to block my fall, and I

1021
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: was still wouldn't lose the knife in my hand. Uh,

1022
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: it's still attached to me. And again, uh, you know,

1023
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 1: it's just one of those things where, uh, when when

1024
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 1: you practice gun takeaways and things like that, Uh, you

1025
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 1: never want to get so close to the guy that

1026
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: he can reach out and touch your gun. I mean,

1027
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 1: it's a gun, for God's sakes, you know, I don't

1028
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: have to be two ft away from you, I can

1029
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 1: be five or six ft away from you. Uh. The

1030
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: thing about the principle is exactly the same. I don't

1031
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: want that person to either grab my knife and or

1032
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 1: rested away from me. Because again, and Jim, a lot

1033
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 1: of that stuff that's taught in uh in the in

1034
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 1: the the psyak and the Filipino calli and all that

1035
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 1: stuff that there are disarms, and some of them work

1036
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 1: really well. Some of them I could never pull off

1037
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: because I just wasn't that good. But again, you know,

1038
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: most people you present a weapon to them that the

1039
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: thing that flashes through their mind is grab that weapon

1040
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: or push it out of the way. And if you

1041
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: don't have a yeah, if you don't have the ability

1042
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 1: to hang onto something. Uh and and and again we're

1043
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 1: talking about a life and death situation. We're not talking

1044
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 1: about Spahn in the gym or anything like that where

1045
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 1: if you're not then I find my hand, Okay, give

1046
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 1: me a second, I'll pick it up. Okay, I'm dead then.

1047
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 1: And you know again, I just it's it's the gravity

1048
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 1: of using a deadly well. People do not assigned. I mean, honest,

1049
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 1: you guys know this. I've dealt with people, not not

1050
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 1: so much in training and all that, but just people

1051
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 1: where that you put a gun down on a table,

1052
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 1: they think the gun is gonna jump up and shoot itself,

1053
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But you're you're in California,

1054
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: so there's probably But anyway where I'm going with it

1055
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 1: is that type of caution or I don't know, awareness

1056
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: that that's a deadly weapon, that gun. The knife is

1057
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: like you said, six, Uh, that's a deadly weapon too.

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01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of guys they play, they

1059
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: play with the knife. They don't who plays with a gun?

1060
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 1: I mean after or ten years old and you graduated

1061
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 1: from a captain into a twenty two, Uh, you don't

1062
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: play no more. And oh, when I was out doing

1063
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 1: one of my video out of you don't know if

1064
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 1: you know Jimmy Curley at t RS and yeah, those

1065
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 1: I know who those guys are. I was out there

1066
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: doing some self defense videos and they wanted me to

1067
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 1: market the my Gym West a whole bunch of knights

1068
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 1: actually to include any razor back. But between shoots, while

1069
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 1: we were shooting, we had a big twenty pound piece

1070
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 1: of beef hanging off of some hooks and uh so

1071
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 1: everybody's like, oh, that's so cool, that's so cool. And

1072
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 1: I hand him a talent or another boy, and I said,

1073
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 1: and I would stab so fast and so hard that

1074
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 1: my actually, my fingers went into the hole, you know.

1075
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 1: And I said, I gotta do this like this to

1076
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 1: show him how. I hand him a nights and I said,

1077
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 1: going to stabbage or slice be the one three out

1078
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 1: of three. And the first couple of attempts didn't even

1079
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 1: hit the piece of beef. You know, they you know

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01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 1: what I mean, I got you. Yeah. Well, but the

1081
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 1: minute they hit it and it flops open and there's

1082
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 1: a three inch wide, you know, chunk hanging down. That

1083
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 1: makes a pretty damn good impression. Oh yes, I took

1084
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 1: that razor, that razorback and cut it clean and half.

1085
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Hey, So this has been a really solid

1086
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 1: discussion with you guys for the past hour, and I

1087
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 1: knew it would be. It's been easy for me because

1088
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 1: I've just kind of sat back and listen to you

1089
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 1: guys tell some really awesome stories. Um. But before we

1090
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 1: wrap up, I of course wanted to mention Ernie you're

1091
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 1: working on your own podcast, Ernest Emerson podcast dot com.

1092
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 1: You've had some amazing guests, um, and I want to

1093
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 1: get into your knives as well. But any news going

1094
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 1: on with that that you want to let the people

1095
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 1: know about, well, let me just say this. It's it's

1096
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. And I do get to have

1097
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 1: people on that I've known over the years and some

1098
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 1: people that I'm just meeting actually kind of for the

1099
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 1: first time, and we can talk about anything under the sun. Uh.

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01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 1: I'm a little more tactically oriented than than I thought

1101
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 1: I would be uh when we first started, But that's

1102
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 1: my comfort zone. So we get to talk about all

1103
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 1: kinds of crazy stuff like that. But I gotta tell

1104
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 1: you Ian and Jim, this is the I've always tried

1105
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 1: to separate church and state. I did not want people

1106
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 1: to think that I did a podcast to sell my

1107
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:40,959
Speaker 1: knives and for you to have me on and Jim

1108
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 1: for you to kind of force me into the corner

1109
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 1: to talk about naves. So to it's been. Uh. I

1110
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 1: love it because honest I know a little bit about

1111
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 1: knives and I just don't get a chance to talk

1112
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 1: about it because I never want that, you know, two

1113
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 1: people to think that all he's just doing this, I

1114
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 1: can sell his knives and a lot any what it's about.

1115
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:04,439
Speaker 1: Other guys will do that, other companies will do that. Uh.

1116
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: My podcasts are about get after you listen to it, Uh,

1117
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 1: that you walk away a better man or a better

1118
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 1: woman because you had a chance to listen to it.

1119
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 1: And again for you guys to to let me talk

1120
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 1: about knives, Uh that that's cool because man, I can

1121
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 1: talk about knives all day long, and uh it's just great.

1122
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 1: It's great to talk to people that you know. It's

1123
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 1: like Jim, Uh honest, Jim, here's the deal. I always

1124
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 1: ask people who who in this class has ever been

1125
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 1: in a knife on knife confrontation? And then in all

1126
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 1: the years that I've been doing these classes and teaching

1127
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 1: and all that, there's been probably four or five people

1128
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 1: that have ever ever been in a real you know,

1129
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 1: they've been attacked with a knife or had to use

1130
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 1: their knife against another person. And to have the chance

1131
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 1: to talk to you, Uh, there's something that that changes

1132
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 1: the game, that changes you. Uh talking from the viewpoint

1133
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 1: of been there, done that in kind of a cliche way, Uh,

1134
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 1: that experience that's a that's a game changer. To be

1135
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 1: able to talk to people that have actually had to

1136
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 1: do some of the things that that guys like me

1137
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 1: try and teach people to do. Yeah, I'll tell you, Ernie,

1138
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 1: it's you know, when I did my one of the

1139
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 1: first questions and Mr West, you're teaching, not talking about now,

1140
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 1: have you ever been on a NiFe? Yeah, but I've

1141
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 1: actually been in several of them. I don't recommend it

1142
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 1: because you're going to get cut. Well. Yeah, that's the

1143
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 1: other thing too, is uh, you know, people don't understand man. Uh,

1144
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: it's it's it's kind of like the uh Tasmanian devil guy.

1145
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 1: Uh you know, and maybe you've heard this or have

1146
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 1: you even said it before. It's like who wins a

1147
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:01,440
Speaker 1: knife fight? Well, what's when both guys go to hospital

1148
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 1: and one guy lives? Right? Got plenty of cars and

1149
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 1: I for all kinds of So hey, Ernie, and I

1150
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 1: have a patent did a design. A lot of people

1151
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 1: have seeing it, but not up close. It's got a

1152
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 1: very special angle but cause of the patenting. But if

1153
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:28,639
Speaker 1: I haven't released, haven't designed, I mean, I haven't put

1154
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 1: it in production yet or anything. And it might even

1155
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 1: could use some modifications. I'm not sure, but I don't

1156
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 1: know if it's something that you'd like to take a

1157
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 1: look at potentially collaborate with in the future. You know, Uh,

1158
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:46,640
Speaker 1: I'd be interested because you you've got that solid knife background,

1159
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 1: and I'll created something that will won't work for anybody

1160
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:53,880
Speaker 1: in any defensive situation. Uh. The answers yet that we're

1161
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:57,840
Speaker 1: always interested in stuff like that. Um, I guess you

1162
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 1: can just can contact me, but basically off offline and

1163
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it. Uh, no promises, And I gotta

1164
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,800
Speaker 1: I always have to tell people, Look, people might think

1165
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 1: we're bigger than than we are. We're not Buck or

1166
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 1: Gerber or or even Spider Co. Uh. So you know,

1167
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 1: sometimes I've had to tell people, look, this is a

1168
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 1: great idea. I think you should take it to to

1169
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:23,720
Speaker 1: one of the big guys because I think you'll make

1170
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 1: a lot more a lot more money on it. So again,

1171
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 1: it depends a little bit on what your motivation is.

1172
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 1: I've had guys say, no, Ernie, I just want this

1173
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:33,439
Speaker 1: to have so I can get it to my guys

1174
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 1: in my unit or guys that I teach or whatever.

1175
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 1: And we've worked with some of those things. So you know,

1176
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 1: I would hope my mind for anybody and everybody that yeah, yeah,

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01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 1: and and and it's designed basically on the initial you know,

1178
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 1: girl walking around the corner at night, some guy jumps

1179
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:58,720
Speaker 1: out and throws up the screens and walks away. I went,

1180
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:01,679
Speaker 1: does not like it on the market. And I've actually

1181
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:06,959
Speaker 1: uh worked with some of the guys down in Virginia

1182
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 1: and let them bring out their training blades and stuff.

1183
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 1: Well let's take a look at it. Yeah, cool stuff.

1184
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:19,519
Speaker 1: So what you were saying before, Ernie as well about

1185
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 1: your podcast where you were you were saying, you know,

1186
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:24,599
Speaker 1: I don't like to just talk about knives and plug

1187
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:27,480
Speaker 1: my brand and all that. Hopefully I'm quoting you accurately,

1188
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 1: but I think it goes back to what you said

1189
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:31,360
Speaker 1: on the first podcast with us that you're you're a

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01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 1: martial artist who's a knife maker. Roger that and and

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01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 1: that's that's a true U. The martial arts led me,

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01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 1: uh to the knife world. And uh so you know again,

1193
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 1: it's like you said, Jim, I was a fighter when

1194
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 1: I was in first grade. Uh. I'd like to think

1195
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 1: that's that's me talking to Uh. I was a fighter

1196
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 1: who just got to the point where knives entered the picture.

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01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:00,720
Speaker 1: And uh. You know it's interesting too. I have this

1198
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:03,680
Speaker 1: note here written I wanted to to bring up, you

1199
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:06,719
Speaker 1: know again, when you come when it comes to knives

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01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:10,479
Speaker 1: and the edge weapons, a lot of people think, and Jim,

1201
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 1: you said, it's the equalizer. But here's the deal. You're

1202
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 1: saying it's a great equalizer, but you're looking at it

1203
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 1: from a fighter's point of view. You are already a fighter.

1204
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people look at a

1205
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 1: knife and go, Okay, I can handle myself now. And

1206
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 1: one of the things that I do in the in

1207
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:32,720
Speaker 1: the seminars and all that I teach is we don't

1208
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 1: even mess with the knives basically for the first for

1209
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:38,640
Speaker 1: the first day, or for the first ten twelve hours,

1210
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 1: because if I brought, you know, thirty guys into a

1211
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 1: class and threw a bunch of knives out there, at

1212
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 1: the end of a couple of days, we'd have a

1213
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:49,639
Speaker 1: we'd have thirty week fighters with knives in their hands.

1214
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:55,879
Speaker 1: And the key is to get bring out that fighter

1215
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 1: and then put a knife in their hand, because then

1216
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:01,479
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter whether you have a knife or not.

1217
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 1: You're still a fighter when you walk off the off

1218
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:07,639
Speaker 1: the map. And I think a lot of people again

1219
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 1: I caution people to understand, it is a tool it

1220
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 1: is you who who is the weapon. You know, back

1221
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:20,720
Speaker 1: from the early martial arts days for both of us

1222
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 1: and others. But you know, You're always taught me more

1223
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 1: traditional fashion years ago that a weapon, whether it be

1224
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 1: is or anything else, is an extension of the body.

1225
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 1: So you have to learn here's the body front. Well,

1226
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 1: think about it. Think about it. Samurai swords. If we

1227
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:42,759
Speaker 1: threw a bunch of samurai swords out there and said, okay,

1228
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:48,719
Speaker 1: guys pick them up, it would be chaos. Uh yeah,

1229
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 1: we got them out in Long Island with the m Yeah.

1230
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 1: Well those a bunch of fuck Yeah. Well, so the

1231
01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 1: website for ordering Emerson knives is emer sin Knives dot com,

1232
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 1: at Emerson Knives, Inc. On Instagram, at Emerson Underscore Knives

1233
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 1: on Twitter. Um any like new product out there that's

1234
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 1: that's really blown you away that you want to mention

1235
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 1: or anything like that, Ernie, Well, uh yeah, we've got

1236
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 1: we're we're actually doing a few hunting knives now and

1237
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 1: uh we've got a couple ones called the market Skinner

1238
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 1: that we just kind of released. And again people people

1239
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 1: always say, well, Ernest Emerson, he's a tactical knife guy,

1240
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 1: you know, et cetera. And you know, again, it's only

1241
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 1: through talking to guys like you and and and Jim

1242
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:38,120
Speaker 1: and that that I get a chance to kind of

1243
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,280
Speaker 1: go back in time. You know, I'm I'm from the

1244
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 1: north Woods, and I grew up hunting and fishing. And

1245
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:49,639
Speaker 1: when you asked him about his first fascination with knives, uh, again,

1246
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 1: I The first knife I ever got was I think

1247
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 1: it was called a wasn't h anyway, It was a

1248
01:13:56,200 --> 01:14:01,320
Speaker 1: Barlow Barlow jack knife, and it was basically use you know,

1249
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:04,559
Speaker 1: for being out in the woods and all that. And

1250
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 1: of course as I grew older and got my first

1251
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 1: hunting knife from my from my dad and all that

1252
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 1: good stuff. My my experience with knives wasn't so much

1253
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:17,800
Speaker 1: against other people as much as it was uh you know,

1254
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:20,639
Speaker 1: skinning game and gut and deer and stuff like that.

1255
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:25,799
Speaker 1: So and and cleaning fish. So you know, I've always

1256
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 1: loved the hunting knives and all that. And uh, I

1257
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 1: just got to be known as the tactical guy. But

1258
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean I don't know what a good hunting

1259
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 1: knife is. So we got that coming up. We yeah,

1260
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:40,759
Speaker 1: we've got our our axes and things like that. Again,

1261
01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 1: I just some of this stuff I do because it's

1262
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:49,760
Speaker 1: something that interests me. I'm not so much driven by

1263
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:54,120
Speaker 1: what's the latest trend or what's the this supersteel or

1264
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 1: why aren't you making knives built out of solid titanium

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Speaker 1: and all that. I'm not doing what what the rest

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Speaker 1: of the crew is doing. I'm basically doing what I

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Speaker 1: like or what interests me. And thank goodness, I guess

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of in the middle of the of the

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Speaker 1: a a few other people out there that it pushes

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Speaker 1: their buttons too, So you know, again, for us, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be just more of the same, some historical based pieces.

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Speaker 1: We've got a folding knife that's based on a Sacks

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Speaker 1: design that's a Viking slash uh, Northern European type of knife,

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Speaker 1: and things like that. So that's all stuff, man uh.

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Speaker 1: And then for those who want to visit GYM online,

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Speaker 1: it's American Extension Fighting dot com. You can check out

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Speaker 1: the talent, for example at TRS direct dot com. Um.

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Speaker 1: But man, it's been great having both of you guys here.

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Speaker 1: At some point, I feel like I gotta get both

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Speaker 1: of you guys in the same room if if you

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Speaker 1: ever make the trunk out to New York, Ernie, Yeah

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Speaker 1: once it's in a while, Jim, were you located right now, Jersey?

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Speaker 1: I mean I'm in New York City every day. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, we get around. Uh, we'll be in touch

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Speaker 1: at some point because uh, well we'll talk about that

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Speaker 1: project in that too. But uh yeah, I'd love to

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Speaker 1: to shake your hand and and and swap some more

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Speaker 1: of those stories because you're you're talking about, uh, the

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Speaker 1: history of stuff that I just I love it. I

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Speaker 1: be looking forward to it be awesome. Yeah, it's been

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Speaker 1: a great you know. I like to you know, people

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Speaker 1: that are smart and have history, and you've got both,

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Speaker 1: so both of you guys do. This has been a

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Speaker 1: great podcast and I've been able to just kind of

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Speaker 1: sit back and listen to both of you guys, uh

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Speaker 1: and have you do all the work because there's just

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Speaker 1: too many awesome stories there and it sounds like we

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Speaker 1: could easily do a part two of this. So it's

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Speaker 1: it's been an honor gentleman. Appreciate it. Thank you, Ian.

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Speaker 1: And it ain't been work. I'll tell you that it's

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Speaker 1: guys could both talk and they both have some excellent stories.

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Speaker 1: Um So, if you're someone into martial arts or knife

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