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Speaker 4: Welcome to the Action Network Podcast presented by FanDuel. I'm

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Speaker 4: Chris Raybaon and this is your NFC twenty twenty three

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Speaker 4: season betting preview Part two. In this episode, we'll be

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Speaker 4: previewing the NFC North and the NFC West. Part one,

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Speaker 4: covering the NFC Eastern NFC South is already up as

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Speaker 4: our AFC preview episodes.

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Speaker 1: Part one is.

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Speaker 4: The AFC Eastern, AFC South. Part two is the AFC

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Speaker 4: North and a f C West. And here to help

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Speaker 4: me break it all down, Prime Minister of Degenerate Nation,

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Speaker 4: Stucky stuck.

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Speaker 1: How's it going? Yeah, we're good to go.

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Speaker 2: Got eight teams left, so let's let's power through this

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Speaker 2: and find some some winners in the NFC. This is

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Speaker 2: my first Super Bowl future and only as it now

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Speaker 2: is is in this episode.

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Speaker 4: All right, Well, I'm trying to see if I could

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I could guess it. Actually maybe

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Speaker 4: let's start with the start with the Detroit Lions in

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Speaker 4: the NFC North. They are favored to win the division.

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Speaker 4: This offense, I think uh is going to be very good.

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Speaker 4: Love the line Jared Goff, you know, I love just

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Speaker 1: To do too much.

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Speaker 4: I also like the schedule for Detroit. They only have

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Speaker 4: one true cold weather game, which I think is going

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Speaker 4: the defense. But I do expect Hutchinson to be better.

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Speaker 4: I maybe explode in year two. What are you thinking

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Speaker 4: with Detroit here?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a young roster overall that's primed to continue

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Speaker 2: because it's still Jared Goff, which I think limits your

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Speaker 1: Gonna be great.

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Speaker 2: Like there's some young pieces that you know, I expect

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Speaker 2: but it's still Jared Goff. It's still a questionable defense.

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Speaker 2: And like I just feel like the lines are getting

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Speaker 2: I don't necessarily see that I show value on their

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Speaker 2: Went totally sitting at like nine point eight.

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Speaker 2: like the moves overall. I don't think they're like giant

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Speaker 1: But I think the moves were smart. Overall.

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Speaker 2: The lines are a good team. I have them rated,

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Speaker 4: Let's go Vikens first, since they are I guess the

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Speaker 1: Eight and a half is their win.

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Speaker 1: I really wanted to.

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Speaker 4: I thought I was going to be heavy fading the Vikings.

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Speaker 4: You know, they're coming off that year where they win

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Speaker 3: Eight and a half. I'm kind of pretty much in

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Speaker 4: I think there's you know, the offense in year two,

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Speaker 1: Cousins was solid.

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Speaker 3: What is eleven to zero one score games? I believe

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Speaker 4: But at the same time, I felt like a team

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Speaker 2: like Cousins is thirty, Cousins isn't getting any younger.

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Speaker 4: Games, eleven in one score game until the playoffs eleven

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Speaker 4: the first time they lose, and it's on Kirk Cousins

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Speaker 2: Just yeah, and now you get so because of that,

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Speaker 2: I'll give you how's he getting thirty million? Reasons why

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Speaker 4: They got Peterman. Walkers are in a terrible camp. So

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Speaker 4: Oh, the Packers are I think slightly ahead, so we

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Speaker 2: put a hundred bucks on some ticket that you'd leave

440
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 2: in Vegas.

441
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:49,399
Speaker 1: It's got to be like a long shot.

442
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 2: So first bet Packer's sixty six to one baby to

443
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 2: win the Super Bowl. It's her first legal bet. I

444
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 2: also joined there. I bet the Packers sixty six to one.

445
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 4: You could find out there, okay to win. I was

446
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,640
Speaker 4: not going to guess that, I was. I was actually

447
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 4: going to guess the now I thought you, I thought

448
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 4: you might go with.

449
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 1: With like a Seattle or San Francisco.

450
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 2: Honestly, no, So this is a pure I played a

451
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 2: very small my bigger players than the window of the

452
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 2: division plus four hundred, So basically I show value on

453
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 2: their win total too. I protect them eight point three,

454
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 2: so I show a little bit value. But if love

455
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 2: doesn't hit, probably not going to hit. If love does hit,

456
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 2: then you know there's a lot of upside with this

457
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 2: team in this division. So I'd rather take the upside

458
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 2: with them winning the division, so much bigger play on

459
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 2: them to win the division. And then I just sprinkled

460
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,880
Speaker 2: on the super Bowl. And the reason why is that

461
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 2: it's the NFC and if Love does connect, this roster

462
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 2: has a lot of other promising traits. You know, a

463
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 2: really good offensive line that just wasn't healthy last year.

464
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 2: The Packers are just franchise. It's always gonna have a

465
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 2: really good offensive line. They have a lot of good

466
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 2: pieces there and if it's healthy, it's a top tier

467
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,919
Speaker 2: unit and that's really good for a young quarterback. And

468
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 2: then you have a lot of young talented pieces. Even

469
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 2: the kid read from Michigan State has look decent. The like,

470
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 2: there's just so many. You know, we saw the flashes

471
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 2: last year of Watson and I got dubs. So if

472
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,360
Speaker 2: you know, with this solid offensive line, that will help

473
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 2: out Love and I've liked what I've seen so far,

474
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 2: but it's still hard to tell. The sample size is

475
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 2: so small and you don't really know. It's a guy

476
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,679
Speaker 2: that's been waiting in the wings for a while. So

477
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 2: he's either going to hit or he's just gonna fizzle

478
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 2: out quick. So I'm going to buy the upside there

479
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 2: because the defense also has you know, especially there's some

480
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 2: young defenders. If the young defenders can hit to the

481
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 2: defense can go to another level. You got a shutdown

482
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 2: corner that's back one hundred percent. Don't love the coordinator

483
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 2: on that side of the ball, but I think that

484
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 2: the offense can be a really good stepping zone with

485
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,199
Speaker 2: with this scheme than this really good offensive line. So

486
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 2: there's a lot of upside with this Packers team based

487
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 2: on love and on a lot of uncertainty. And you're

488
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 2: gonna hype the Bears, but I don't see it yet

489
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 2: with fields just all of his numbers passing, And the

490
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 2: thing is is that I don't think that defense is

491
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 2: going to be much better, be a little better with

492
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 2: some of the pieces they added, but he's gonna have

493
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,439
Speaker 2: to run a lot and you know, look, I know

494
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 2: that we we'll get to the Bears in a second.

495
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 2: But so I like the upside of the of the

496
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 2: Packers much more than the Bears and not buying the Vikings.

497
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 2: Think the lines are tatto raid. So it made just

498
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 2: total sense for me. And I'm a little higher than

499
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,199
Speaker 2: the market on the Packers to bet them plus four

500
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 2: hundred to win the division, basically an upside play on

501
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 2: Love and some of their other younger pieces, and then

502
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 2: look sixty six to one if they get into the

503
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 2: NFC playoffs and Love is way better than expected, who knows,

504
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 2: And I'd rather take that than the NFC. Their NFC

505
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 2: price is like twenty five to one because everyone's like

506
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 2: the NFC is bad. I'd rather have the sixty six

507
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 2: to one because in order for them to get to

508
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 2: the playoff, to get to the super Bowl, I mean,

509
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 2: it means Love is going to be way better than expected,

510
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 2: and they're obviously really good, and I'd much rather have

511
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 2: that that ticket in my pocket at sixty six to

512
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 2: one for one football game when the team obviously it's

513
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 2: way better than most projected than the twenty five to

514
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 2: one to win the NFC. So a little flyer on

515
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 2: the sixty six to one, but bigger play on four

516
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 2: to one to win the division.

517
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it.

518
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 4: So what I see with the Packers in is I

519
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 4: definitely think they're gonna be competitive. They like you said,

520
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 4: they're like even with losing Rogers, it's not by any

521
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 4: means a terrible roster.

522
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: I guess they're just I guess I have.

523
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 4: There's widow things with me with what that I see

524
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 4: with the Packers that give me pause about their ultimate ceiling.

525
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 3: I do think they have a decent floor, but I so.

526
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 4: The first thing is that inexperience on offense in the

527
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 4: past catcher corps, you know. And in a way it's

528
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 4: it's good, you know, you're young, you're athletic. Great, But

529
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 4: Jordan Love, I like what I see from him. But

530
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 4: everything I've seen of him up to this point, in

531
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 4: all the numbers I have, tell me that he's going

532
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 4: to be turnover prone. And that's where my projection for

533
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 4: the Packers goes down. Now, there's a lot of random

534
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 4: luck in turnovers and especially interceptions, but at every stage

535
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 4: of Love's career, he has just been essentially way above

536
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 4: at like just a turnover machine in terms of interceptions.

537
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 4: So small sample in the NFL and eighty three attempts,

538
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 4: but he's the week got I should say it's the

539
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 4: week average interception rate. It's about two point three two

540
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 4: point two to two point three percent per attempt. So

541
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 4: in the regular season he's only thrown eighty three past

542
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,959
Speaker 4: this small sample three point six interception rate.

543
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: Okay, look at the preseason.

544
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 4: He's got another hundred nine teen attempts four point two

545
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 4: percent interception rate.

546
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: Okay, still small sample.

547
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 4: Go back to his final season in college seventeen interceptions

548
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 4: three point six interception rate, weed the nation in interceptions

549
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 4: that year.

550
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 3: So is that like combined.

551
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:23,479
Speaker 4: With the relative inexperience of this group.

552
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: I do.

553
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 4: I think they're they're going to be competitive, but I

554
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 4: ultimately see something like that kind of being their downfall. Now,

555
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 4: I think that's good news for your future because turnovers,

556
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 4: like we talk about, they can be random, especially interceptions.

557
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 3: Uh So there's a chance he could improve.

558
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 4: But that's kind of where I'm at with Love, and

559
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 4: I just think they're gonna be solid. They're gonna be competitive,

560
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 4: They're gonna be in a lot of games. But I

561
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 4: think there's still a year away. I think you're gonna

562
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 4: see some growing pains with Love finally able to get

563
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 4: a full season. I do like, I do think the

564
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 4: offensive line is good. I don't have I think it's

565
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 4: higher hopes for the defense as you because this is

566
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 4: where I take coaching in the consideration, and we've seen

567
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 4: this year and we talk about this every single year.

568
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 4: The Packers get more and more talent on defense every year,

569
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 4: and every year they're still below average, and they bring

570
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 4: this guy Joe Barry back. You know, it's been two

571
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 4: straight years they're outside their twentieth or worse than Dvoa.

572
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 4: The talent's been getting better. I just don't understand why

573
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 4: he bring his guy back. They have all these first

574
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 4: rounders on their defensive front. They've had Jyah, Alexander, they

575
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 4: you know, Douglas has been very good at the other

576
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 4: corner spot, you know, just I I mean, yeah, but

577
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 4: but but you know, like last year, Alexander played most

578
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 4: of the year.

579
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: If I'm not.

580
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 2: Seah, but I don't think he was healthy early on.

581
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 2: But still, I get your point. I'm not a par Yeah,

582
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 2: I wish that they they went and got another defensive

583
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,959
Speaker 2: coordinator and changed up schematically. But the guys are their defense.

584
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 2: There's a lot of variants there. But I get your point.

585
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 2: I'm not It's one of the things I don't like

586
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: about them is their defensive scheme. But one other positive

587
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 2: note that I'll say is I really like their schedule,

588
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 2: the nuances of it.

589
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: So like, for example, tell me, you know they go

590
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: so here are there?

591
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 2: Tell me which road game they can't win where you're like, guy,

592
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 2: they're losing that game at Chicago, at Atlanta, at Vegas,

593
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 2: at Denver after a bye, which is good. At pitt

594
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 2: at Detroit, at the Giants, at the Panthers, at the Vikings.

595
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 2: That's their entire road slate. So for a young quarterback,

596
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: young skill position players.

597
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: You know, the skip.

598
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 2: This speaks to the variants again, right, you're but you're

599
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 2: gonna get a lot of the good teams that you're

600
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 2: playing at home. And I like that for this team.

601
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 2: And they get like some of these teams, you know,

602
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 2: so you'll get like the Rams at home, which you

603
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 2: should win, but they get the Chiefs and the Chargers

604
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 2: at home. And I like that for this young team

605
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 2: because they catch them on like tricky spots. So like

606
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 2: the the Chiefs go to the Raiders, I believe, second

607
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 2: straight road game at green Bay before they host the Bills,

608
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 2: like just a weird at non conference second road game

609
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: before a huge game, could be a sleepy spot. Chargers

610
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 2: come to green Bay, you know, I think later in

611
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 2: the year, could be cold week before they host Baltimore,

612
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: so they get some of they could steal a couple

613
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 2: of these games that they normally wouldn't win, and none

614
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 2: of the road.

615
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: Games are games where they can't win.

616
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 2: If Love is you know, decent, and that's what he

617
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 2: asked to be, and if he is really good, then

618
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 2: there's a lot of upside. If he's just okay, then

619
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 2: you know, they could still just get lucky, win nine

620
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 2: to ten games and win this division. But I'd rather

621
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 2: much rather take the upside of the division than the

622
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: win total.

623
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I totally. It could go all the way wrong,

624
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: could go all the way wrong too.

625
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think that's kind of where the Packers

626
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 4: are too. I think they're you know, they could kind

627
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 4: of pivot into somewhat of a tank if you know,

628
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 4: things start out really bad.

629
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: But I don't think Love is gonna be bad.

630
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 4: I just think he's gonna be a little bit mistake

631
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 4: prone and eventually get better. But I think he's just

632
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 4: I think there's gonna be some growing pace. I'm I mean,

633
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 4: if Barry could ever get this defense together, there it

634
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 4: would there would be talking. Because that's what worries me

635
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 4: is that, Okay, they go eight to nine last year

636
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 4: with Aaron Rodgers, they have most of the similar defense

637
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 4: talent wise that they had last year, and now you're

638
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 4: gonna rely on that defense even more this year because,

639
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 4: like I said, I think you know, Aaron Rodgers, love

640
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 4: them or hate him, was not turning the ball over.

641
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 3: You know that.

642
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 4: I mean, I know they had that couple of foot

643
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 4: games against Detroit, I think where you have like those

644
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 4: three interceptions in the end zone, But generally speaking.

645
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers not turn the ball over.

646
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 4: That's something I don't think we've seen in this Packers

647
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 4: offense to the extent that I think it's going to

648
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 4: be this year.

649
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: So it's like they have.

650
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 4: To rely more on his defense and then and then

651
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 4: turnovers swing games.

652
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: So I get it. I get your argument.

653
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 2: I get your argument, but it's a team four to

654
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 2: one that win the North. Hold on, I'm transitioning into

655
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 2: your end. So you're countering playing devil's advocate to my

656
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 2: Packers future because you're worried about the defense, and now

657
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 2: you're gonna tell us about the Bears because you're not worried.

658
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Speaker 1: About the defense. So here's the thing.

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Speaker 4: I think the Bears have more like. So the thing

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Speaker 4: with the Packers is I've.

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Speaker 1: Seen the Bears have more upside that we already as

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Speaker 1: a team.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think fields, I think the offense

664
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Speaker 4: has more upset, and I think the defense does as well,

665
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Speaker 4: because Okay, we know linebackers aren't gonna be that important,

666
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 4: so yeah, whatever, they added some elite linebackers. But this

667
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 4: is kind of kind of similar to the Giants, I think,

668
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 4: where you have a bunch of young players in the

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Speaker 4: secondary that could and again I'm not saying this is guaranteed.

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Speaker 4: I'm just saying there's upside because you have guys like

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Speaker 4: Gordon and Johnson and Brisker. I mean, he's not bad,

672
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Speaker 4: but uh, you know, those guys could take step. You know,

673
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Speaker 4: they pretty decent draft capital. I like, I mean, I

674
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Speaker 4: don't think and Gothway is a player he was early

675
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Speaker 4: in his career, but he's at least gonna get you sacks.

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Speaker 4: Like I don't think he's ever had fewer than an

677
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Speaker 4: eight and a half, so he's gonna get you sacks.

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Speaker 4: I think I think the defense will be better than

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Speaker 4: last year, and when you look at the.

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Speaker 1: And but that's the case with a lot of these teams.

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Speaker 4: In the NFC, and it's just if you could just

682
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 4: improve your defense a little bit, you have a ton

683
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Speaker 4: of upside and when you look at this Bear team.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you got Justin Fields.

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Speaker 3: I think Justin Fields has Jalen Hurts type upside.

686
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Speaker 4: I think when you look at the progression of Hurts

687
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 4: in his career where he started out as a guy,

688
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 4: accuracy was down. Justin Field's TBR from year one year

689
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 4: two double they went from twenty six to would have

690
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 4: over fifty four. In year two, his touchdown rate was

691
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Speaker 4: top six in the league. The real killer for Justin

692
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Speaker 4: Fields is the sacks. That's what he's got to get

693
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Speaker 4: under control. The passing metrics took steps even last year.

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Speaker 4: When I mean, no, this is just the numbers. This

695
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 4: isn't like it's not my opinion, like this is just

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Speaker 4: I mean, like.

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Speaker 2: His catchable ball rate, his some of his underlying accuracy

698
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: numbers are very worry.

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Speaker 4: Exactly, but that's we've seen that before with quarterbacks when

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Speaker 4: they don't have a great supporting cut because remember, it's

701
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 4: not it's not just a quarterback's accuracy, it's also the receivers,

702
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 4: the separation, you know, the overall like who's open on

703
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Speaker 4: the play and in what spots. And that's where I

704
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 4: think you're gonna see the improvement with DJ Moore and

705
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 4: not just DJ Moore, but combining that with a healthy

706
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 4: movie with Cocomet, who you know gave, gives them a

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00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 4: red zone threat.

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Speaker 3: Like I think that's gonna help. And I think the

709
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Speaker 3: old line will be better.

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Speaker 1: Uh Like I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's gonna be like all right, so

712
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 3: Brax and Jones pretty good.

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Speaker 1: It's sure a little better, but Fields is under pressure

714
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: like the time, but that's but part of that. But

715
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: think about it, all goes to better. I know, I know.

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Speaker 1: It's like the receivers.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like the receivers not getting open because like

718
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 4: last year it's Dante Pettison, Saint Brown, Moody was only

719
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 4: there for like half the year. Claypool had no idea

720
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 4: what he was doing. So part of that is just

721
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 4: receivers aren't getting open quickly. They're not They're not getting

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Speaker 4: open at all or quickly. Now you're in a situation

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Speaker 4: where you know, as a young quarterback, you don't know

724
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 4: exactly what to do, yet you're holding the ball, you're

725
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 4: taking sacks.

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Speaker 3: The old line should be better. I think Jones is good.

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00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: I think you know Jones right, hits at the you know,

728
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: that's why you drafted a tackle. Jenkins did a big

729
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: step forward, like he was a lot better last year.

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Speaker 4: I mean, pass protection was still okay, but I mean

731
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 4: still a lot better last year than his rookie year.

732
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 4: Davis is is a pretty solid gett guard. He's you know,

733
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 4: he's pretty consistently good the last few years. Uh White

734
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 4: here going back to center, that's again solid. Like I

735
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 4: think the right is the biggest question mark at right guard,

736
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 4: but I mean that's still a first round with number

737
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Speaker 4: ten overall, so you have some pedigree there. Uh So,

738
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 4: I don't really see any glaring weaknesses anymore on the

739
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 4: offense to where I think all of it's gonna kind

740
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 4: of combine for feel, and remember this is Fields. You know,

741
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 4: now he's in year two of his scheme. Things switched

742
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 4: from one rookie year to this year. So we've seen

743
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 4: this with Josh Allen, We've seen this with with Jalen Hurts.

744
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 4: We've seen I think Justin Fields is going to be

745
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 4: the next quarterback to take these jumps passing efficiency wise,

746
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 4: because he's already taken them even last year. So we

747
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 4: you know, we did see some growth in a lot

748
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 4: of areas. So I think that combined with the upside

749
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 4: of the secondary. Still got a lot of young players

750
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 4: the middle of the defense at least you can't just

751
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 4: spam it this year the way you could last year.

752
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 4: And yeah, I still think there's a lot of work

753
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 4: to do on the defensive line. You know that that's

754
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,439
Speaker 4: that's the issue. But like I said, took a fire

755
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 4: on and Gothway's probably getting you eight sacks.

756
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 3: Who'd you get Billings?

757
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 4: I think is uh, you know, he's solid, you know,

758
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 4: but it's not it goes. It's a very kind of

759
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 4: I think there's potential to be an average defense. And

760
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 4: this my issue with the a team like the Packers

761
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,439
Speaker 4: versus the Bears is like they have all this talent

762
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 4: and they're still not playing up to up to potential,

763
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 4: whereas the Bears. I mean, I think everflus year two

764
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 4: new pieces, upside, young guys, new scheme, different, you know,

765
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 4: gear two in the scheme.

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00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: I think this.

767
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of room for improvement and

768
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 4: just deep division isn't very strongly Even to your point,

769
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 4: the Lions aren't a great front runner all things considered.

770
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 4: So that's why I like the Bears. But I mean

771
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 4: I get it, like, yeah, Fields could also be a

772
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 4: turnover machine just like Jordan Love. But just the Fields

773
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 4: also was first in the league in yards per carry

774
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 4: ran for what eleven hundred yards?

775
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 2: So that my last point I get. We were saying,

776
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 2: why would disagree and what makes podcasts good? Disagreeing on

777
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 2: certain different teams within the same division. You'd be boring

778
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 2: if we didn't. I don't see it the fields. But

779
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 2: if he does take a big step forward, yes, then

780
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 2: the offense has a lot of potentially. I mean it

781
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 2: makes you get you add a number one receiver, but

782
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 2: then you get Mooney back healthy, and then he's way

783
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 2: more effective as the number two the field stretcher, so

784
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,439
Speaker 2: it all makes sense if Field takes the next step.

785
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: I don't see that. I still don't see what the defense.

786
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 2: The vieos is historically bad last year, and the I

787
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 2: just don't see it with the secondary, which needs to

788
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 2: be so much better because the defensive line doesn't have it,

789
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 2: so like you're not getting any hell, which is my way,

790
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 2: And then because of that, maybe it is good for

791
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 2: your fields, you know, an MVP case, if he does

792
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 2: take that next step, you're gonna be a lot of

793
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 2: shootouts and fields his best weapon is his legs and

794
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 2: he's the injury risks there is huge And then you're

795
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 2: down on Nathan Peterman.

796
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Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, that's fair, I think, But that's you

797
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 4: can say that about the Eagles as well. I mean

798
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 4: all these quarterback ravens too.

799
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Speaker 1: But you know, he hurts to run. You don't need

800
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: it hurts to run like he.

801
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 4: But but now because he got a better support.

802
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Speaker 1: Okay, So that's what I'm saying with yeah, if he

803
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: takes that step.

804
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 2: But yeah, but you're you're right with Lamar with their offense,

805
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 2: they needed him to run in the past, and what

806
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 2: has happened in the last two years.

807
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: I agree he's been hurt. Now that can happen to

808
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: pocket passers too.

809
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Speaker 2: But I'm saying, like, if they're in all these shootouts

810
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 2: and fields, is like last year he was just getting

811
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 2: just hit all over the field. But but here's where

812
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Speaker 2: I agree with you. In this division, it just depends

813
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 2: on your taste. You either take a shot with the

814
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 2: Bears or the Packers.

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00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, Like we're definitely not betting on the Vikings

816
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 4: given what they're doing.

817
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 3: We're you know, the Lions.

818
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: There's no value on the line.

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00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, we might you know, it's like I don't dislike

820
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 4: the Lions. I like them, it's just yeah, there's not

821
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 4: really much to do with them.

822
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, I agree.

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00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 4: I think that these two teams, like there's you know,

824
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 4: we talked about.

825
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 1: The Paris Packers week one, baby, I.

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Speaker 4: Know, right, that's that's it. We're gonna be on opposite

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Speaker 3: So I'm going to be Are they favored or they

829
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 3: catching two in Chicago?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

831
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 4: Yeah no, But like I think all these teams are

832
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 4: talking about maybe better than all the teams in the

833
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 4: NFC South except the Falcons, like I you know, like

834
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 4: that's the thing, Like the Saints, everyone's expecting them to

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Speaker 4: win nine ten games because they're don't bring up.

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Speaker 1: The NFC South, But internet's gonna crash. We're gonna bring

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Speaker 1: up the NFC South.

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Speaker 3: Alright, alright, all the NFC West.

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Speaker 4: Start with the Niners, the wind totals at fandos ten

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Speaker 4: it's more like eleven flat eleven to one. You could say,

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Speaker 4: I think I like party, Glad he's back. Think that

868
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 4: the O line on the interior could be an issue. Also,

869
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Speaker 4: Trent Williams, you know another guy that you just wonder

870
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Speaker 4: when when he's gonna stop being amazing, But overall not

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Speaker 4: not going over on this Niner team. Love do like

872
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 4: the roster, but I do think they're a little more

873
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Speaker 4: fragile than in recent years, just with the interior line.

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Speaker 3: You know.

875
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 4: So what are your thoughts here on on this Niner

876
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,439
Speaker 4: team that always get so close, never never can win

877
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 4: the whole thing.

878
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I project them ten and a half, so no

879
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 2: value either way, but yeah, they get so close. And

880
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 2: their average games lost injury wise offense or defense last

881
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 2: five years, what do you think their best finish was

882
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 2: either side either side, like twenty first, something like nineteenth.

883
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, nineteen. They always always in and they still and

884
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,720
Speaker 1: they're still there usually almost still right there. So imagine

885
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 1: if they get injury lucked this year.

886
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you lose a couple of pieces in

887
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 2: the secondary and mclinchean brun Skill on the offensive line,

888
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 2: so the interior offensive line secondary some question marks there,

889
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 2: but this team is really solid. I mean when they

890
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 2: had a McCaffrey, we talked about what the Falcons can

891
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 2: do with creating mismatches and what Shannan can do with

892
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 2: him and Deebo and then Kittle and then that run

893
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 2: game like it's it's it's gonna be good and party

894
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 2: looks healthy. The offense is gonna be good at Shanahan.

895
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 2: They went twelfth straight before the injury, and then who

896
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 2: knows what would have happened in that game against the Eagles.

897
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 2: I you know, looking, the team's gonna solid. The're gonna

898
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 2: be in the discussion. They're gonna be the playoffs barring

899
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,919
Speaker 2: major we know they're forty nine ers is the second

900
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 2: best team in my opinion in the NFC. It's kind

901
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 2: of like the three ad. You know, I put Dallas

902
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 2: right there too, But the difference between Dallas Philly and

903
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers is the forty nine ers are

904
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 2: in a much easier division and there might you can

905
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 2: find minus one sixty to win the division.

906
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: I played that.

907
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 2: I show value in that number, even though I'm only

908
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 2: at ten and a half their win total because Number one,

909
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 2: the Cards. If you listen to what we did our

910
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 2: podcast a couple months ago, I was like, just bet

911
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: the Cards under six and a half.

912
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: It's five and a half.

913
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 2: Now I project them, I think it's four and a

914
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 2: half open five ass I bet underfine, it's four and

915
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 2: a half. I project them four point three. You know

916
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 2: they have bad injury in one score luck last year,

917
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:49,919
Speaker 2: but who it's a new team. Like, it's a brand

918
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 2: new team, brand new court, the first time coordinator, first

919
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 2: time coach, first time offense coordinator or so defense coordinator,

920
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 2: the new offensive line outside of Humphreys Murray, they're probably.

921
00:46:59,000 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 1: Not going to rush back.

922
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 2: I love that the trade that they made, like the

923
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 2: seams tanking like they want to get just a draft pick,

924
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 2: and this is just a complete rebuild. Questionable cornerback and

925
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 2: all over new defensive line.

926
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: It's brands.

927
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 2: It's the worst roster in the NFL, especially when you

928
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 2: throw in the fact that their quarterback starting quarterback is

929
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 2: hurt and who knows what means to be back. The

930
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 2: Cardinals are not winning this division. I'd like a lot

931
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 2: of weird things can happen in the NFL. I cannot

932
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 2: see that happening in any world. The Rams are a mess.

933
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 2: This is a roster that needs to be They sacrificed

934
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 2: that all. I'm curious who won which who won the

935
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 2: trade between the Lions and the Rams.

936
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: Uh, the Rams got a super Bowl? The Rams got

937
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: a super Bowl?

938
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 2: Right?

939
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: But I think that.

940
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 2: I mean, look what Stafford is now and look where

941
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: the they like sacrificed years and years all the draft

942
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 2: picks that trade like winning a super Bowl, It's so random,

943
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 2: Like I would rather my team not sacrifice at all

944
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 2: for a super Bowl and then be in the mix

945
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 2: and then just hope to get lucky. Then to do

946
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 2: with the Rams because the Rams are a mess. I mean,

947
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 2: and Stafford's not getting any younger. They lost their defense

948
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 2: as just one player. Their defense is a disaster. They

949
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 2: also have major specialties questions like if they look at

950
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:23,760
Speaker 2: their special teams are hilarious and so they're not winning.

951
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 2: I cannot see them winning this division.

952
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 4: Yeahs it's Sattle San Francisco, and I think Seattle's I valued.

953
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 2: They have some upside, but I think, look, I love

954
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 2: their receiving corps. Now you know you got your two

955
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 2: rookie tackles. They're look, Seattle is on the brink of

956
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 2: like what is Carol doing. He's not adjusting his offensive scheme,

957
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 2: his defensive scheme, like even his play calling, Like he's

958
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: just he's an old man. He's running this old cover three.

959
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 2: They've like changed their defensive schemes. Last year they were

960
00:48:55,840 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 2: like twenty eighth on first down runs, so like they've

961
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 2: their offense has evolved with the coordinator higher. And then

962
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 2: he pulled off the heist of Wilson and got rid

963
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 2: of him at the right time, got all those draft picks,

964
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 2: and then last year you get two in a in

965
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 2: a draft, you get two starting quarterbacks and two starting tackles. Yeah,

966
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 2: in a draft, like what the fuck?

967
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 4: And you also took a running back in the second

968
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,919
Speaker 4: round and still, I mean did another did it again

969
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 4: this year?

970
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: You'd probably still want to make it work somehow.

971
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was like years after, like well, the Seas

972
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 2: would always have the most bizarre draft choices. You'd be like,

973
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 2: what they took this random d end yes wealth overall

974
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 2: or this random linebacker, and so now the roster is.

975
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 1: Like was saved. It was they got to be. It

976
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 1: was on life support.

977
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 2: And a surgeon came in and just miraculously saved it.

978
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 2: And now the roster's in better shape. But I don't

979
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 2: I'm not sure Gino Smith can repeat what he did

980
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 2: last year. I don't know the defense was. It's not

981
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 2: as good as it played early in the year. We

982
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 2: saw some of the cracks down the stretch. After their

983
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 2: bye last week with the Seahawks, they went three and

984
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 2: five right to get to the playoffs limp in there.

985
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: Here's who they beat. They beat the Rams.

986
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 2: Two of those games were against the Rams by combining

987
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 2: seven points against John Wolford and Baker Mayfield. Their other

988
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 2: win came against Mike White and the Jets that were

989
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 2: there only three wins after the bye. So I don't

990
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 2: think that this team is as good as they were

991
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 2: they looked early in the season. There's a lot more

992
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:33,760
Speaker 2: promise now because of that draft, But I think Gino

993
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 2: has a much better shot of regressing hard than he

994
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 2: does of coming close to what he did last year.

995
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 2: I know some of the underline matches were pretty good

996
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 2: for Gino, but they were also lucky with injuries and

997
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 2: turnovers that could turn I do like that the front

998
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 2: seven address the interior of the defensive line. But I

999
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 2: project the Seahawks at eight point six, slightly.

1000
00:50:58,120 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: Into the under.

1001
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 2: But add all that together, like really low on the Rams,

1002
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 2: lean the under in the Rams too, but I'm at

1003
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 2: like six to two. Lean the under on the Cards,

1004
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 2: lean under on Seahawks. Add all that up to consistent

1005
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 2: forty nine ers. I'm betting the forty nine ers to

1006
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 2: win this division.

1007
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: I like the Seahawks.

1008
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 4: I'm higher on him on them than you are. I

1009
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 4: really like the the cornerbacks. You know, you've kind of

1010
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 4: talked about it. You know, you find a corner and

1011
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 4: they found in and Wooling and now they got Witherspoon.

1012
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 3: Uh you know, still still got Digs back there.

1013
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 4: And I think a big thing too, because their their

1014
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 4: run defense was was really shaky out horrific. Yeah, and

1015
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 4: they got Bobby Wagner back and see another guy who

1016
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 4: just when is it gonna stop? You know, like he's

1017
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 4: year at the year is just a week. But either

1018
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 4: way that should help.

1019
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:47,919
Speaker 1: The run dye.

1020
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 4: So and I do think Gino will be able to

1021
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 4: to keep it going because when you when you look

1022
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 4: at what Seattle has done for him, they've created a situation.

1023
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 4: I mean lot get Metcalf now Smith and Jig, but

1024
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 4: I know he got the elbow injury, so maybe misses

1025
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 4: a couple of weeks to start the year. But they

1026
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 4: got guys that are going to separate and get open.

1027
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 4: They got and they didn't really run the ball well,

1028
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 4: but they have talented backs, so really they need this

1029
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 4: line to take a step forward. Now, Lucas probably was

1030
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 4: better than who is the Cross was the higher draft pick.

1031
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 4: I think Lucas was probably better than Cross. So there

1032
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 4: is a chance, you know, there is some upside there

1033
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 4: if you get if you get Cross rookie tackles, Yeah,

1034
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 4: and you're able to complete like seventy percent of your passes.

1035
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think again Lewis is okay.

1036
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like the line could be okay, but it's it's

1037
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 4: really built around it's.

1038
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: I think they're very well schem I think the team

1039
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: in general.

1040
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, get kind of a bad rap for Carol, but uh,

1041
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 4: the skill positions are are excellent on offense. Defense, cornerbacks

1042
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 4: I think are excellent. Love the wagon, love getting Wagner back.

1043
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 4: Uh like Diggs, you got who is it? Uh do

1044
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:07,879
Speaker 4: from the chargers on the edge, uh.

1045
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 5: Wosusu. Yeah, So that's that's I still think. I still

1046
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 5: think that that front, you know, like the defensive line,

1047
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 5: could be a bit of an issue. But because there

1048
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 5: it's a two team race, I agree with you. I

1049
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 5: think the Rams defense is going to be horrible. I

1050
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 5: think the Cardinals are going to be very bad. So

1051
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 5: it's a two team race because of that. I did

1052
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 5: play some Seattle division just because, just.

1053
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: Because this is the head to head podcast.

1054
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and yeah, I mean I'm taking Seattle,

1055
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 4: like you know what, I know, I don't.

1056
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 1: I don't believe a minus one. Yeah, like it is.

1057
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 4: It's not like I love I like the upside, but

1058
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 4: also it's just it's more of a a play on Okay,

1059
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 4: this is one of the few spots where I can

1060
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 4: kind of narrow it down. I'm getting plus money, and

1061
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 4: like you said, weird things happen in the NF I

1062
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 4: do think the Niners are a little more fragile than

1063
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 4: they are most years, and I think the Seahawks have

1064
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 4: a little more upside than they do most years. You know,

1065
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 4: the roster, like even if you don't get a big

1066
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 4: jump from cross, we just based on what they did

1067
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 4: last year. Their offense was very good and now you

1068
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 4: added the top receiver in the draft, you added one

1069
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 4: of the top running backs in the draft, and on defense,

1070
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 4: you added one of the top cornerbacks in the draft,

1071
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 4: and you added one of the top linebackers that we

1072
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 4: used against the run in the entire league.

1073
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 3: So, yes, they were underwhelming last year.

1074
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 4: And kind of just you know, they're just a mediocre

1075
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 4: team that happened to win where they went eight nine games.

1076
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 4: I don't even remember how many games they won, but yeah,

1077
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 4: mediocre team. But this year I think they could be

1078
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 4: more than just a you know, a mediocre team. And

1079
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 4: it's not going to really take that much just a

1080
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 4: little here, a little bit there. So I like the

1081
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 4: upside with the ships. But I do agree that win

1082
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 4: total wise, I am for the most part in line.

1083
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 4: Like when I looked to bet their win total, I

1084
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 4: was like, I was like, I don't know, I have

1085
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 4: this pretty much right on. So I think that's why

1086
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 4: I took the upside bet with Yeah, I do still

1087
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 4: think they could eat like a lot of these NFC teams,

1088
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 4: like they're all sick seven eight ish nine ish at

1089
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 4: best teams, like they just all up together for me,

1090
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,760
Speaker 4: So not a lot of medians there don't like the Panthers.

1091
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 4: We talked about that, but yeah, I took some Seahawks

1092
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 4: to win a division. Don't don't mind the Niners. I

1093
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 4: just see the Niners, the Eagles, and the Cowboys. Is

1094
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 4: the top the top three teams, and the Niners and

1095
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 4: the Eagles are the highest price. So I end up,

1096
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 4: you know, Cowboys are the team I'm most intrigued in

1097
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:47,439
Speaker 4: from a futures perspective, But you know, this Niner team

1098
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 4: wouldn't surprise me if they finally put it together. I

1099
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 4: do think I like the floor because it seems like

1100
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 4: no matter what quarterback they put out there at this point,

1101
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 4: when you have so many weapons, I mean, McCaffrey, Debo

1102
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 4: is in better shape, he's gonna have a bounce back.

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00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 3: He has one good year of the year of the year.

1104
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: You kiddle.

1105
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 4: Still they're always like yeah, So it's like the fact

1106
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 4: that you could like you can like, all right, let's

1107
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 4: say Sam Donald starts seventeen games of the Niners.

1108
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: How many games do they win?

1109
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:12,399
Speaker 2: Nine?

1110
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 1: That's pretty good for Sam Donald.

1111
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, So that that's my point that the Niners also

1112
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 3: still gonna be.

1113
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 2: In Yeah, Bosa is gonna get signed, which is something.

1114
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 2: I mean, people are talking about that, but he's gonna

1115
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 2: get signed from whatever very shortly. The Yeah, I will

1116
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 2: tell you what the Seahawks there, I can see some

1117
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 2: some of that upsides. I don't blame you, and I'll

1118
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 2: tell you that I showed value in San Fran Division,

1119
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 2: and I actually showed value in Seattle under. But I chose,

1120
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 2: even though it's juice here, the San Fran Division over

1121
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 2: the Seattle under and just that because if number one,

1122
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 2: if Seattle goes under, then Sam, like we just talked

1123
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 2: about with the floor, then Seattle then sand friend would

1124
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 2: this division. But there's also a world where some of

1125
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 2: that upside hits for Seattle and then the Niners still

1126
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 2: win twelve thirteen games. Yeah, so that's why I chose

1127
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 2: to so I could see where you're coming from for sure.

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00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. It was just literally just simple massive.

1129
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 4: Okay, I can narrow this down and I'm getting plus

1130
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 4: money on one side, but I do I do like Seattle.

1131
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: We'll see.

1132
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 4: You know, they did lose that the quarterback coach that

1133
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 4: was kind of credited with working with Gino behind the

1134
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 4: scenes of Canalis, he went to the Bucks. So maybe

1135
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 4: that's a bigger loss than we think, but I do agree.

1136
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 4: I think their offense just like quietly has kind of

1137
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 4: smartened up and kind of done it their way. So yeah,

1138
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 4: I mean I'm really excited to see how that because

1139
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 4: I feel like forever I've just been waiting for Seattle

1140
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 4: to kind of figure enough out on defense to get

1141
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 4: back to not they're not going to ever get back

1142
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 4: to that region of boom type era, but like just

1143
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 4: get to get back to a play a respectable place.

1144
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 4: And that one year I remember that second half of

1145
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 4: the year, I think they did it against they like

1146
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, we're allowing like sixteen points a game,

1147
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 4: where we're betting their unders every every week.

1148
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, this year, I mean.

1149
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 4: There is that better better potential than most when you

1150
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 4: consider Wouolan, Witherspoon, you know, the corners and Wolf Sue

1151
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 4: gives them a little more on the on the line.

1152
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 3: I still still would love them.

1153
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 4: To have more on the line, especially having to you know,

1154
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 4: face San Francisco twice a year and probably get to

1155
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 4: get by them in the playoff. You know you got

1156
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 4: and see this is the thing about you gotta to

1157
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 4: be good in the NFC and make a deep playoff run.

1158
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 4: You have to be good upfront because you're gonna go

1159
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 4: against San Francisco and Philly. You're probably gonna have to

1160
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 4: get through San Francisco and Philly and Dallas has a

1161
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 4: pretty good line too, So you know, I still would

1162
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 4: like them to add another piece up front.

1163
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 3: But yeah, a lot of is Adams coming?

1164
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: Is he Adams?

1165
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 3: Is Shaquille Leonard like Jamal Adams? Like when is he

1166
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 3: coming back at all?

1167
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: Is he just out? Definitely?

1168
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 4: Because that would be a may a nice little boost too.

1169
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: I mean that gives him off the.

1170
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Speaker 2: Pupp list by the end of the week, Okay, And

1171
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 2: because let's say.

1172
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, that that could be a nice little boost if

1173
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 4: he can be disruptive and you you know, he's.

1174
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 3: Still got digs.

1175
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 4: You got that secondary could really transform if you have

1176
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 4: Adams flying around back there.

1177
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Speaker 1: Now, maybe he's just not the same.

1178
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 4: You know, Ben hasn't really played, didn't play I think

1179
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 4: played what one game last year went down?

1180
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: So we'll see. But yeah, just like the upside for Seattle.

1181
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 4: Uh, we could close it out talk a little more

1182
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Speaker 4: to the Rams, you know, smooth is just I think

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Speaker 4: it's gonna be anything. But with that defense, because you

1220
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Speaker 4: talk about a team that was cap you know, kind

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Speaker 4: of how to make moves in interest of the CAP.

1222
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Speaker 4: I mean it's the Rams pretty much got rid of

1223
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Speaker 4: almost their entire defense outside of Aaron Donald. And they

1224
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 4: did sign John Johnson, so you know he's good for

1225
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 4: them a couple of years ago. I mean, I guess

1226
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 4: that's something yeah, I know, right, Like that's that's the

1227
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:01,919
Speaker 4: upside of the Rams.

1228
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 1: It's like, oh yeah, back John Johnson. Something started in

1229
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: the super Bowl. He's gonna fix all the problems. It's

1230
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 1: it's something, it's something.

1231
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 4: But no, I I think this defense is gonna be

1232
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 4: bad as much. You know, Aaron Donald generational one of

1233
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 4: the goats, but he alone cannot a defense make. And

1234
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Speaker 4: I mean, can you even like, who's who's the second

1235
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 4: best player on this defense?

1236
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: Even I can't even Jones? Probably? Yeah, I mean.

1237
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 4: Who's who am I thinking of? Oh my god, all

1238
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 4: those old NFL films, what do you? Oh my god,

1239
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 4: I'm blanket on the name. It's like one of those linebackers,

1240
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 4: like can I whatever, it doesn't matter, But yeah, this

1241
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 4: this team needs a This team could use like an

1242
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 4: entirely new defense that's obviously not gonna happen.

1243
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 2: Ninety if you if you I said this with the

1244
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 2: Vikings defense because they had so many new guys. But

1245
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 2: if you ask any casual even like fans of foul leslie,

1246
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 2: name three defenders on the Rams if that's not named

1247
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 2: Darreon Donald.

1248
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 1: It's like, I.

1249
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 2: I st it's like there's yeast Kobe Durant is starting fuller,

1250
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 2: Jordan Fuller Puller starting at safety, John Johnson, Kobe Turner,

1251
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 2: John Johnson, Ernest Jones.

1252
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 3: The rookie, the edge, Ude Young, I think his name

1253
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 3: is Bryant Young, by.

1254
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: Byron Young, Byron Young. Who's their other's corner row.

1255
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 4: They got a bunch of guys. I don't think they

1256
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 4: have Oh yeah, with Isaac Isaacs.

1257
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 1: I think Robert oh, Robert yeah, yeah, yeah.

1258
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1259
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 4: I don't think I'm thinking of Isaac dum whatever his

1260
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 4: name is.

1261
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Speaker 2: Linebackers are like, besides Ernest Jones, it's.

1262
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Speaker 4: I'm looking at them. I'm looking at them now, and

1263
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 4: I still don't even know who these dudes are.

1264
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 2: There's one that's an FCS dude who played it like

1265
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 2: South Dakota State.

1266
01:03:55,040 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 4: And this is why Rose Rosebaum roseu Christian Chris Christian

1267
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Speaker 4: Rose Christian Rose Boom.

1268
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 2: I guess Rose Boom, Rose Boom Boom. And who's the

1269
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 2: other linebacker. I can't think of their other linebacker.

1270
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 4: I mean there's a but I don't know who's actually

1271
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 4: projected star. I see PFF has Rose. They play a

1272
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 4: three to four hot Michael HoTT Well, he's an edge

1273
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 4: he's the edge.

1274
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 1: Now he played. Some think he plays linebacker.

1275
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Speaker 2: I hate how some sites played. Don't he played last year?

1276
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 2: He's like an IVY League guy. Yeah, like this is

1277
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Speaker 2: who they have.

1278
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 1: They have like FCS IVY League. This defense is bad,

1279
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 1: so bad, like they they're.

1280
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 2: Gonna need Aaron Donald to play like every position.

1281
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 4: Imagine just Aaron Donald at corner, just still their best corner.

1282
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 2: You also have like offensive line, still have offensive line issues.

1283
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 2: I get that they had like a trillion injuries last year.

1284
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 2: It's like on paper, it's like regression. You know, Stafford

1285
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Speaker 2: and Cupper back, but it's like that's the like it's Stafford,

1286
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 2: cup and Donald's the entire team. It's like, yeah, I

1287
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 2: mean having seems still good, right tackle you get you

1288
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 2: know Alan back Vella, you drafted who actually like like

1289
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 2: we are reaching.

1290
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Speaker 4: This team is bad yeah, and Stafford is is like

1291
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 4: his health is in question, so of course it's it's

1292
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 4: a very like this is another one of those if

1293
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 4: things go wrong wrong, this is another one of those

1294
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 4: like this win yeah, win one game.

1295
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, they'll beat the Cardinals. Like if Stafford gets hurt again,

1296
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 1: like he's hurt, they'll win one game. Also also I

1297
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Speaker 1: do like Bennett. Yeah, all Bennett does, then it'll come

1298
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Speaker 1: in and win a Super Bowl with a baller bro.

1299
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Speaker 4: You know how you know you know how you know

1300
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Speaker 4: your special team is gonna be bad when you're when

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Speaker 4: you're punters number forty two and your kickers number forty nine. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's how you know that this is gonna be just

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Speaker 4: a problem. But I'm looking at their schedule. I mean

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Speaker 4: I think I could I could still get behind the

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Speaker 4: under six and a half in a while. Look at this,

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Speaker 4: like they start at Seattle, San Francisco, at Cincinnati, they

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Speaker 4: go to Indianapolis, which is no guarantee. Uh, then Philadelphia,

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Speaker 4: maybe they finally get one at home against Arizona, home

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Speaker 4: against Pittsburgh. You know Pittsburgh is if Tomlins it'd be

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Speaker 4: better if Pittsburgh was a dog in this spot.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what the line would

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Speaker 1: be at like by the time you get there.

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Speaker 4: But at Dallas at Green Bay into the bye I mean,

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Speaker 4: you know late in the year, you got Cleveland at Baltimore,

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Speaker 4: you end at Giants and at.

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Speaker 1: Forty nine ers.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's it's gonna be tough for them to

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Speaker 4: get to what is it, they would need seven wins

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Speaker 4: to go over.

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Speaker 1: It would be tough.

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Speaker 4: I mean you're gonna have to be Washington at home,

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Speaker 4: New Orleans at home, Arizona probably twice, and then I

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Speaker 4: guess Indianapolis would be the fifth, and you still need

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Speaker 4: two more.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's yeah.

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Speaker 2: Also, this team has no depth at all, like none,

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Speaker 2: I mean they're starters, they are not even good. But

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Speaker 2: like I was reading this article to show you how

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Speaker 2: when you don't have any depth like your special team

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Speaker 2: and are really bad yep, and on like little things.

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Speaker 1: So I was reading this. It was some I forget

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Speaker 1: the site.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's a more popular site, but I was reading

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01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 2: the site that covers the Rams, and they were just

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01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 2: talking about how absolutely dreadful the punt coverage has been

1336
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 2: in the preseason. But they've given up like two hundred

1337
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 2: yards on punp returns and a touchdown on like thirteen

1338
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 2: punp returns in preseason, so there's, yeah, that's not going

1339
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 2: to help their defense out either.

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Speaker 4: I just feel like they keep giving up. They keep

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01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 4: giving up like thirty points a game every preseason game too.

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Speaker 4: We could go thirty four of the Raiders and then

1343
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 4: I was we were at me. Treby and Kerner were

1344
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 4: at the Charger game, and they gave up Dodson like

1345
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 4: their fifth string running back goes for two long touchdowns.

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01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 1: Like like this is yeah.

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01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 4: When you give up thirty four points and back to

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Speaker 4: back preseason games, I mean some preseason games.

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Speaker 1: Don't even get to thirty four.

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Speaker 3: Thirty The median preseason game is thirty eight.

1351
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 4: Like the fact that you're giving up thirty four back

1352
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 4: to back, it's like the same thing as like the

1353
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 4: Panthers getting shut out.

1354
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 2: It's like it's just a mark of the funny thing

1355
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 2: is we just we just clown on the Rams for

1356
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 2: ten minutes. They're ten to one to win the division.

1357
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 2: The Cardinals are twenty five to one.

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Speaker 4: I honestly just rather just take a shot in the

1359
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 4: Cardinal's like maybe fucking Kyro just makes the miraculous recovery

1360
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 4: and everyone gets hurt.

1361
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:25,839
Speaker 1: On everyone, the Niners.

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01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,600
Speaker 4: I don't know, Like I feel like I just this

1363
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 4: Rams defense and special teams is gonna be so bad

1364
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 4: that I'd rather just like the Cardinals catching everyone off guard.

1365
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:38,640
Speaker 1: I would rather take Cardinals absolutely.

1366
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:40,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, but we're not taking We're not yeah, yeah, but

1367
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 4: you do like the Cardinals under at four and a half.

1368
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:46,800
Speaker 2: Plus and half anymore, I would play it on a

1369
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 2: like I think that they're going to like actively tanked.

1370
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 2: And what I mean by that is like no NFL

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01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 2: team after the times unless it's like the last week,

1372
01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:00,680
Speaker 2: and then like you and you're not the loves, but

1373
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 2: like who did that before? I think, like Sean Payton,

1374
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 2: a couple of coaches have done it just in the

1375
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 2: last week, like when you can get the first pick,

1376
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 2: but it's an NFL team, and like your professional organization,

1377
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 2: like you're not gonna just punt on first down, like

1378
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:17,240
Speaker 2: they're gonna try to win the games you play. But

1379
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 2: what I mean by like actively tanking to get a

1380
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 2: better draftick is let's hold out Murray for yes, a

1381
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 2: lot longer. And then if someone is like Buddha Baker

1382
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 2: wants to be traded, and so the someone wants Budda Baker,

1383
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:34,639
Speaker 2: like midway through the season, you think good, that needs

1384
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 2: a safety or another position, you might be willing to say,

1385
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 2: yeah here. So my gut is that the Cardinals are

1386
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 2: going to actively do things like that and gives them

1387
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 2: a really good chance of having the worst record. But no,

1388
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,760
Speaker 2: I make it four point three, so no better four

1389
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 2: and a half.

1390
01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 4: And it's just tough because we don't know exactly when

1391
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 4: Murray isact because like if if, if it's not gonna

1392
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 4: be Murray. This team is absolutely losing more than thirteen games,

1393
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 4: Like I can't. They're super Bowl is week eleven at Houston,

1394
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 4: like that that's that's that's probably gonna be there their

1395
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 4: super Bowl after the.

1396
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 1: You know, after the the trade or whatever. But that's

1397
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:27,760
Speaker 1: that's I.

1398
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 2: Mean that then we could clown on there. D two

1399
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:37,599
Speaker 2: there the Cardinals day is bad, bad and the maybe

1400
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 2: it's greg Greg Dorts season. What are you projecting for

1401
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 2: Greg Dorts in fantasy?

1402
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 1: But I got him. I think he's gonna be like

1403
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:47,639
Speaker 1: the backup slot, so not much.

1404
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:51,920
Speaker 3: I'm I mean, he had a good seasons last.

1405
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 1: Year, but maybe some of the wide receivers on I mean,

1406
01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 1: Brown is more, Moore has some upside. Wilson, I mean

1407
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 1: say throwing the yeah, like down and losing right, But but.

1408
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 3: Like that's the that's the issue.

1409
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:06,720
Speaker 4: Like right now I have Murray projected form like I

1410
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 4: think like nine or ten games, but it's it's like

1411
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 4: it's tough, It's it's almost impossible, but you know, this team,

1412
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 4: and this team could be really bad against the run. Uh.

1413
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 4: I guess Buddha Baker's still here, so there's that. But yeah,

1414
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:22,599
Speaker 4: it's this if I would love.

1415
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 3: To know, because like it's been so unclear with with

1416
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:25,599
Speaker 3: Kyra Murray.

1417
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:27,560
Speaker 4: It's like, you know, he's chopping at the bit to

1418
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 4: play in week one, and then I say every other

1419
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:30,719
Speaker 4: places like oh he might not be back all season.

1420
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:33,560
Speaker 3: It's like, which is it? And they're not.

1421
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 4: Gannon's not disposing whether he's gonna go with Clayton Tune

1422
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 4: or Colt McCoy in week one.

1423
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:41,120
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just just keeping us on our toes here.

1424
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 3: But yeah, they don't, they don't.

1425
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 1: We gotta get out of here. We talked enough about

1426
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 1: the NFC West.

1427
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:51,720
Speaker 2: For me, it's all forty nine ers division is the

1428
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:53,800
Speaker 2: only thing I got in the NFC West. Good for

1429
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 2: you if you got some of their earlier unders on

1430
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 2: Rams and Cards. NFC North, I think the Lions are

1431
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 2: over valued a bit, and I'm right in line with

1432
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 2: the with the with the Vikings, so you know, I

1433
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 2: guess a little under but I think in that division

1434
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:10,519
Speaker 2: you either want to take a shot on the Bears

1435
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 2: and Packers. I chose Packers division and I threw just

1436
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 2: very small fun dart on the Super Bowl.

1437
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 4: Me it's the Bears division over the wind total at

1438
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:25,679
Speaker 4: seven and a half justin fields, mvp, uh not doing

1439
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 4: anything with the lines or you.

1440
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 1: Gonna throw on the Bears Super Bowl? Probably not.

1441
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 4: I really think the I mean I might. I gotta

1442
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:38,680
Speaker 4: look at the value, gut. I just there's such a

1443
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 4: big separation for me with you know, Dallas, San Francisco

1444
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 4: and Philly that I mean essentially like a lot would

1445
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:47,720
Speaker 4: have to go wrong. I think for one of those

1446
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 4: teams to not end up blocking the Bears. But you know,

1447
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 4: I'll take a closer work at as of now. N Also,

1448
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:57,640
Speaker 4: if it's gonna be like the Bears, I get what

1449
01:12:57,720 --> 01:12:59,679
Speaker 4: you're saying about, Like, yeah, the NFC odds are worse,

1450
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 4: But I mean, even if the Bears get to Super Bowl, I.

1451
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:05,760
Speaker 3: Don't they gonna have to beat Homes or Row or half.

1452
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 4: I mean they could be I could the Bears could

1453
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:10,640
Speaker 4: beat the Bills. I could see that, like so like

1454
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 4: just the Bill's unraveling at the exact worst time, and

1455
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:16,280
Speaker 4: Josh Allen just like looking lost after he just threw

1456
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 4: like a pick six on like from the one yard

1457
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 4: line when he could have just walked in or something,

1458
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 4: you know, something ridiculous like that.

1459
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:31,559
Speaker 1: But still now, yeah, it's right, no, right, but yeah

1460
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 1: no no, no super Bowl for me.

1461
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 4: And then NFC I took some Seahawks division, you know,

1462
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 4: just just based on the fact that it's a two

1463
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:41,599
Speaker 4: team race and they're getting the plus money and they're

1464
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 4: they're about a couple of wins behind the forty nine.

1465
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 4: Is crazy you two two and a half, But crazier

1466
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:49,760
Speaker 4: things have happened. As a reminder, our NFC Part one

1467
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