1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: LinkedIn News. I had just moved to New York and 2 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: then a layoff happened and I was like, oh crap, 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: I can't get a job. What is it for me? 4 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: I called up my mom. I was like, I'm going 5 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,479 Speaker 1: to come back to DC. She was like, I will 6 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: help you, you know, pay your rent if you need it, 7 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:21,959 Speaker 1: I will help you, but I am not going to 8 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: allow you to come back here. You you have something 9 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: that you need to do in New York. And Mommy, 10 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 1: if you're listening to this episode, from the bottom of 11 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: my heart, oh my god, I'm gonna get teary eyed, 12 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: but like it, I am so thankful because she's knew 13 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: that if I had given up on that dream, then like, 14 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: had I moved back home to DC, I wouldn't be 15 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: here with you. I wouldn't be on LinkedIn. There's so 16 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: many things that would be different in my life. 17 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:46,919 Speaker 2: From LinkedIn News and I heard podcasts. 18 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 3: This is Let's Talk Offline, a show about what it 19 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 3: takes to thrive in the early years of your career 20 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 3: without sacrificing your values, sanity or sleep. 21 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 2: I'm Gianna Prdente and. 22 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: I'm Jamaie Jackson Gadsden. So guys, today we're going to 23 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: be talking about something that's kind of uncomfortable and it's 24 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: also scary. Layoffs. They're unexpected and they're super anxiety inducing, 25 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: and I mean, honestly, we hope you never have to 26 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: experience one in your career, but your work bestie Jamay 27 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: is going to tell you if someone who has gone 28 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: through four that the reality is we've seen a lot 29 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: of layoffs these past few years, and they've also hit 30 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: many different industries. 31 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 3: It really is rough out there and super scary to 32 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 3: know that an employer can kind of just drop you 33 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 3: on a dime. Layoffs can feel out of your control, 34 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 3: and that's because they largely are. But what you can 35 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 3: do is be prepared. That's what we're going to talk 36 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 3: about today. We're gonna help you deal with the uncertainty 37 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 3: of possibly getting laid off and share what to do 38 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 3: if it actually happens. 39 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: So I know a lot of you guys have probably 40 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: seen on social media that people are posting their layoff 41 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: stories more and more. It's really interesting because I remember 42 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: time when we weren't talking about layoffs so publicly, and 43 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: I would just say, over the last couple of years, 44 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: in particular, I've been seeing a lot of people share 45 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: their stories, some even going as far as recording the 46 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: actual moment they get laid off and posting it online. Now, 47 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of layoffs in different industries over 48 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: the years, and I know how daunting and scary that 49 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: can feel. But it's been really also nice to see 50 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: how people are talking about it in such an open way. 51 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:27,679 Speaker 1: I think what it's doing is it's allowing for a 52 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: lot of community and support and also for you to 53 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: just understand this is not just the me thing, like 54 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: I am in this shared experience with other people. So Gion, 55 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: I want to ask you, like, have you ever gone 56 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: through a layoff? 57 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 3: So I've never been laid off myself, but now being 58 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 3: three years into my career, I've experienced the past, you know, 59 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 3: two years of all of those layoffs that were happening 60 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 3: across industries, and they happen at LinkedIn, and that was 61 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 3: when I was like, Okay, wow, this is really hitting 62 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 3: close to home. Obviously, there's a lot of anxiety when 63 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 3: it comes to layoffs. You hear chatter online. I mean 64 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 3: there's like a lot of websites for people who work 65 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 3: in tech and people are commenting, you know, I think 66 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 3: layoffs are happening, and it just I'm on those apps, 67 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 3: so listen, I'm not because it was just creating more anxiety. 68 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 3: So when layoffs happened, people were like, oh, how did 69 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 3: you not anticipate this? 70 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 2: And I'm like, I'm not on those sites, like I can't, 71 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 2: I can't. 72 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,839 Speaker 3: So you know, it just creates a lot of anxiety. 73 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 3: And I remember when layoffs were happening at our company, 74 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 3: I had just moved out and I remember sitting in 75 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 3: my apartment reading that email, thinking, crap, what if I'm next? Right, 76 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 3: because you feel so out of the know, and it 77 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 3: can feel sometimes super out of the blue, and it 78 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 3: affects the entire you know, vibe of the team and 79 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 3: the larger company, right, and then just that general anxiety 80 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 3: of are there going to be more? 81 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 2: Is it going to be me next? And I think 82 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 2: for me it was. 83 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 3: A real wake up call of like, Okay, things can 84 00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 3: change on a dime, So you need to. 85 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 2: Be proactive with your work. 86 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 3: If something's not working, don't wait for someone to tell you. 87 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 2: You got to shift it yourself. 88 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree. I think something that a lot 89 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: of people don't talk about when it comes to layoffs 90 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: is survivor's guilt, which is what you me so many 91 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: people experience right where you are not impacted by the layoff, 92 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: but you feel so guilty because now you're asking yourself, well, 93 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: why was this person? You know, these are some of 94 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: your friends or your colleagues, people who have been in 95 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: companies for a long time, right, and there's just all 96 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: these questions. And the truth of the matter is there 97 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: are more questions than answers usually. Now for me, I 98 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: have been on the other side of this. 99 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 4: I have. 100 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: Survived for layoffs, and I've also been impacked by one. 101 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: And the one that I was impacted by hurt the 102 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: worst because I had just moved to New York and 103 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: I had actually just moved out of my friend's apartment 104 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: into my own spot with roommates. So I was feeling like, oh, yes, 105 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: I'm a big girl now, like I can you know, 106 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: I'm paying rent, utilities, all the things, and like I 107 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: my own room. And then a layoff happened and I 108 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: was like, oh crap, and I was out of work 109 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: for over six months. Now. I had a really great 110 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: severance package that essentially paid for like six months worth, 111 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 1: so it was nice, you know, I think for me. 112 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: I first got in there and I was trying to 113 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: get a job immediately right, and then I realized, oh, 114 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: this is harder than I thought. And around month one 115 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: then the depression kicks in because now I'm like, holy crap, 116 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: I've moved to New York. I can't get a job. 117 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: What is it for me? I called up my mom. 118 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm going to come back to DC. 119 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 1: Like by month two, I was over it. She was like, 120 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 1: I will help you, you know, pay your rent if 121 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: you need it, I will help you, but I am 122 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: not going to allow you to come back here. You 123 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: have something that you need to do in New York. 124 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: And Mommy, if you're listening to this episode from the 125 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: bottom of my heart, oh my god, I'm gonna get teary. 126 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 5: I but like it. 127 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 1: I am so thankful because she's knew that if I 128 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: had given up on that dream then So I say 129 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: all of that because a moment, momentary circumstance doesn't dictate 130 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: your future. Right Like, had I moved back home to DC, 131 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be here with you, I wouldn't be at LinkedIn. 132 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: There's so many things that would be different in my life. 133 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 1: But the layoffs that I survived are also difficult. One 134 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: the survivor's guilt that I talked about. Two. Usually when 135 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: you have a reduction in workforce, and if a layoff 136 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: is the reason why, it's not like they're immediately backfilling 137 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: those roles. So you put a lot of pressure then 138 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: on the people who are left. 139 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, and we saw that especially over the past few years, 140 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 3: because a lot of the layups were due to budget 141 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 3: cuts exactly. 142 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: And then you also have issues where like if a 143 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: particular industry is being impacted, now you're getting droves of people, 144 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: Like it's wild to me sometimes when I'm talking to 145 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: my friends who particularly don't work in tech, because in 146 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: their minds, they're not processing, Oh, all these tech companies 147 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: have essentially over hired right after the pandemic, and they're 148 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: like they can't conceptualize it. Whereas we're hearing ten, fifteen, 149 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,679 Speaker 1: thirty thousand people getting laid off, and then you're worried 150 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: because you're like, oh, gosh, now all those people out 151 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: in the job market, and so like, now you know 152 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: for every job there's. 153 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 2: Five thousand competition. 154 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, And so I would definitely say like surviving layoffs 155 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: has not been easy, but I think for me, what 156 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: helped me get through the one, particularly with our company, 157 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: was I had been through so many I knew how 158 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: this was going to play out right, Like it's almost 159 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: like a rinse and repeat. I know how this is 160 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: about to feel. I know how this is about to go. 161 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: I know the space that we're going to have to 162 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: hold for other people. So again, layoffs are not easy 163 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: for anyone out there who's been impacted. My heart goes out. 164 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: I know what it feels like. But take it from 165 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: your work bestiage. You may you will get through this. 166 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: You will survive this. I hope this episode is going 167 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: to be helpful for you, and also do see that 168 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: this could also be a positive redirection that pushes you 169 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: into something even bigger, better, in something that will blow 170 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: your mind. 171 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 3: I appreciate that perspective because as somebody who is early 172 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 3: in my career and hasn't experience that personally being laid off. 173 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 3: I mean, my voice literally just quivers thinking about that 174 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 3: happening to me. And like I was saying earlier, when 175 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 3: layoffs hit the company, I thought, holy crap, am my next? 176 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 3: And it really did get me thinking, you know, what 177 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 3: would I do if this was me? And especially around 178 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 3: that time, there were so many headlines around layoffs, like 179 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 3: you couldn't ignore it, And so I started thinking, and 180 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 3: I hadn't given you know, enough thought to it, probably, 181 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 3: but I started thinking, you know, what would I do? 182 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 3: Because honestly, like, if I'm being transparent, my initial reaction 183 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 3: would be like to freak the heck out, Like I 184 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 3: would freak out, like I would have a full blown 185 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 3: panic attack. And I mean, you don't have a salary anymore, 186 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 3: and you have expenses, and that's so terrifying. And I 187 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 3: think what's so unsettling about, you know, being in an 188 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 3: atmosphere of layoffs is like people are having conversations about 189 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 3: you when you're not in that room, and that is 190 00:08:55,880 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 3: such a horrible, unsettling feeling. So yeah, yeah, I think, 191 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 3: you know, if you're early in your career and you're 192 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 3: listening to this and you haven't been laid off and 193 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 3: you feel this way too, you know, like, what would 194 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 3: I do if that is an experience that I have? 195 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 2: At some point? 196 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 3: We're going to talk today about the steps that you 197 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 3: can take to kind of create a plan, because listen, 198 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 3: I need one, you need one, So hopefully we can 199 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 3: figure this. 200 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 2: All out together. 201 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: All this layoff talk makes me nervous, But what helps 202 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: is having a strategy coming up. We're going to talk 203 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: about the things you should consider. I'm putting together your 204 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: layoff plan. All right, guys, So we are back and 205 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: we are going to be talking about how to deal 206 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: with the anxiety of possibly getting laid off, as well 207 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: as what to do if you actually are. Now the 208 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: reality is, when it comes to layoffs, the first thing 209 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:58,839 Speaker 1: you're probably going to experience is layoff anxiety, and that's 210 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: the feeling of uncertainty and at the thought of possibly 211 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: getting laid off. It doesn't even have to actually have 212 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: happened yet, it's the fear of it. 213 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 214 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 3: Maybe you know you're starting to hear rumors about possible layoffs, 215 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 3: or your company isn't doing well financially, so you're thinking, okay, 216 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 3: are cuts coming? Maybe they already have started doing layoffs 217 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 3: and you're wondering, okay, am I next that layoff anxiety 218 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 3: can really affect the overall work environment and the morale 219 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 3: of the team, but also your work. Right, it's really 220 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 3: hard to focus when you're concerned that your job isn't safe. 221 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 3: And we all have the right to feel scared during 222 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 3: such an uncertain time. So, Jimmie, I'm wondering from you, 223 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 3: as somebody who's experienced for layoffs in your career, how 224 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 3: have you dealt with that anxiety of potentially being laid off. 225 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a couple of things that I would recommend. 226 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: First of all, lean on your community and your network. 227 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: One thing that a friend of mine told me years 228 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: ago was that she, having worked in HR, would be 229 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: in rooms with people and when it was time for layoffs. 230 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: Sometimes the one thing that separated a candidate being laid 231 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: off and not is the rapport that that candidate may 232 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: have had with their team. So if you are someone 233 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: who comes in you do great work, you have, you know, 234 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: sown seeds across the company. People can attest to your. 235 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 2: Characters seeds like. 236 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: Some sunlight on them, don't kill them. Now, I don't 237 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: have a green thumb, but like, sometimes it would be 238 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: that small right, And so obviously that doesn't apply for 239 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: every opportunity, that doesn't apply for every layoff. But I 240 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: have always carried that with me, that your community will 241 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: rally for you, and your community will show up. So 242 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: lean on your community and network. I mean, especially if 243 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: you can start to read the tea leaves and it's 244 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: starting to show something weird. Make sure you are connecting 245 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,199 Speaker 1: with those coworkers, your mentors, your family, your friends, set 246 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: up those informationals right, start acting as if you were 247 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: already looking for another job. You don't have to go 248 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: as hard as if you are. But you can always 249 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: operate in a season of networking. And yeah, definitely always 250 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: getting laid off is not an uncommon experience, and so 251 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: more than likely you are going to probably also find 252 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: people who are gonna talk, who are gonna also share 253 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: their layoff stories. Another thing that I think is super 254 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: important is like thinking about that post layoff game plan. 255 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: Do you need to sit down and you need to 256 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: come up with some type of plan. Okay, this is 257 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: gonna help you feel sure. This is when all of 258 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: my structured girlies come to the front. Okay, because this 259 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: is when you can be doing things like updating your resume, obviously, 260 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: updating your LinkedIn right, sharing your portfolio, writing up your skills, 261 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: looking and researching what resources are readily available to you. 262 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: So this is gonna help set you up so that 263 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: even if you are faced with the possibility of getting 264 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: laid off, you know that if that happens, you are 265 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: in a position where you have everything you need another thing, 266 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: go and get those recommendations. You know, we always love 267 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 1: to hit somebody up after we're like hey, big hey, 268 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 1: can you like be like someone who like if they 269 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: call you, like, be like how you said earlier, be 270 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: on the offense. Gather those things up as you can. 271 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: And then the last thing I would just say is like, 272 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: know how to tune out the noise For me, I 273 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 1: love to journal, I love to create vision manifestation boards. Right, 274 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: do something that makes you not focus so much on 275 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: what the apps are saying, right, because you will. You 276 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: will fake news, right, You will literally like gaslight yourself 277 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: into an anxiety attack. Like you don't need. 278 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 2: That, Yeah, exactly, Like. 279 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: If it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen. You stressing out 280 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: and looking every single day looking at the calendar seeing 281 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: like it's today d day, Like no, it's not to 282 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: go work, So like just focus on what you can 283 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: do and prepare yourself with your community. 284 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 3: And I want to add something that I appreciated when 285 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 3: we had Jeanine Dolne on the show talking about side 286 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 3: hustles a few episodes back, So make sure you guys 287 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 3: listen to that if you haven't already. But she talked 288 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 3: about being laid off and how kind of was the 289 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 3: turning point for her to go full time into content creation. 290 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 3: And I feel like with gen Z being a generation 291 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 3: that has so openly embraced side hustles, it's a time 292 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 3: to really focus. 293 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 2: On that other work, that side gig. 294 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 3: Right, So, like, if you're somebody who has a side 295 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 3: hustle or has a hobby that is important to you, 296 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 3: focus your efforts there and your energy there because that 297 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 3: could potentially be something that you can fall back on 298 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 3: if you know you are laid off. 299 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and now you have the time, right, you have 300 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: the time, maybe you have the resources, especially if you've 301 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: gotten like a severance package, like go all in on 302 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: your dream because you never know where that can go. 303 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think also it's like a reminder that 304 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 3: there's life outside of work, and there's other things you know, 305 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 3: to put your energy toward that can be a little 306 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 3: bit of an escape. Okay, So now let's say unfortunately 307 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 3: the layoff happens and you're impacted. We're going to walk 308 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 3: you through what to do, the steps you should take listen. 309 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 3: Being on the jobs and career development beat for early careers, 310 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 3: I've been so thrown into content around layoffs. The biggest 311 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 3: thing has been this idea of pausing. I mentioned if 312 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 3: I were to be laid off, I would panic freak out. 313 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 3: I would probably transparently panic apply. That's not the most 314 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 3: effective way to start job surging. So this idea of like, first, 315 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 3: take a breath, take a beat. It can feel really 316 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 3: overwhelming when you get laid off, and you know, feel 317 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 3: those feelings, right like, take a second and grieve. Honestly, 318 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 3: you know, I feel very closely tied to the company 319 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 3: where I currently work, in passionate about my work. So 320 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 3: I would literally have to like grieve losing the job 321 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 3: and also be kind to yourself, you know, give yourself 322 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 3: some space to acknowledge what has happened, protect your mental health, 323 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 3: do what you need to do so that you are 324 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 3: then ready to start looking for jobs. And also remember 325 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 3: during this time that layoffs are not a reflection of 326 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 3: your skills, your experience, your talents, right like. Unfortunately, a 327 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 3: lot of times like are just a consequence of unfortunate circumstances. 328 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 3: What's happening in the economy and it's not a reflection 329 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 3: of your worth, So keep your head up, don't let 330 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 3: it knock your confidence, and then it's time to start, 331 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 3: you know, looking at those resources and start job searching. 332 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. I really appreciate you sharing that, g because I 333 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: think we always have to remember that, like, at the 334 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: end of the day, these are corporations that we do 335 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: work for, but like you also need to take a 336 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: step back, take a pause, and remember that your worth 337 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: is not attached to your work. So let's also talk 338 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: about resources. Though. The first thing that I would definitely 339 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: recommend is navigating government assistance. Y'all. I really want to 340 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: make sure you are listening for this part, okay, because 341 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: this is so important and these are mistakes that I 342 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: made the first time I got laid off. There's a 343 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: lot of government resources that you can rely on if 344 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: you're laid off. 345 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 2: Okay. 346 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: The biggest one unemployment insurance. Okay. Each state is gonna 347 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: have their own requirements, so you're gonna definitely have to 348 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: make sure you check that out in the qualification criteria. 349 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: But please look into applying. No matter what, a lot 350 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: of people will be like, oh no, I'm a find 351 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: another job, baby, apply, Okay, just make sure that you 352 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: cover yourself. Links to all of that is also going 353 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:06,239 Speaker 1: to be in the show description, so make sure you 354 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: guys check that out. 355 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 2: Wait, so I have a good question on that. 356 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 3: Can you still apply for unemployment insurance if you're getting 357 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 3: severance from your company? 358 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: Great question. So it actually depends on the state, which 359 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: is why everyone's going to need to make sure that 360 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: they check out the criteria. 361 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 2: Gotcha. 362 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, So the government will actually offer you a stipend 363 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: for the number of weeks depending on your state while 364 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 1: you look for another job, which is always great. Another 365 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 1: thing to look into is health insurance. Now, look, y'all, 366 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 1: I used to be twenty three once before, ok two, 367 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: I thought I was inevitably gonna stay young forever. And 368 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: then I cracked my knee. And then I'm like, what 369 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: my knees crack in the morning? Now, okay, wait, I 370 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: know what age? 371 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 2: Were your knees cracking like this? 372 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: I have never had strong kneed? Can Meg the Stallion 373 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: have never been the same person. But I say all 374 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: of that to say that health insurance matters. 375 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 4: Right. 376 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 1: You do not want to be out here without health insurance. 377 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: And then something comes up, So applying for health insurance 378 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: is all going to vary by state. You know, you 379 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: have a lot of common options, including Cobra, which a 380 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: lot of people have heard about, or you can even 381 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 1: shop the healthcare dot gov marketplace. One thing that I 382 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 1: will definitely emphasize here is more than likely when you 383 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: are let go, you will have a conversation with HR. 384 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: Usually it either might be with HR or it might 385 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: be your manager. It depends also on the company size 386 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: and how many people they have to get through. If 387 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: you have the opportunity to talk to HR directly ask 388 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 1: them questions. In that moment, you are going to probably 389 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: want to stop thinking, you're going to zone out, You're 390 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: going to dissociate, right. You need to stay present and 391 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: in the moment and level headed and ask the questions 392 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: because your HR professional is going to be able to 393 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: tell you where to look and even how much longer 394 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: you have health insurance for right. 395 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's such an important call out. And I feel 396 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 3: like when you were talking before about your layoff game 397 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 3: plan to start when you're crafting that during that anxiety period, 398 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 3: you should write out the question that you would ask, 399 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 3: because I'm sure during that conversation your mind goes blank. 400 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 2: So prepare those questions ahead of time. 401 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: Yes, and then lastly, I'll say look into subsidize training programs. 402 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 1: I think that when you are not working, that is 403 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 1: a great time for you to start upskilling and like 404 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: learning other things. This might be a time where, for instance, 405 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 1: if you want to break into tech, taking a coding 406 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: class or learning what SEQL queries are, there are a 407 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 1: lot of training programs that offer it subsidized, which means 408 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: like you know, maybe like pro rated or discount of 409 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 1: depending on how much you make. And you might even 410 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 1: be able to find programs that help you develop new 411 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: skills or improve the ones you already have. Also, you 412 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: might work for a company that offers that. You know, 413 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: I have worked at other companies where a certain period 414 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: of months after you've been laid off, they will help 415 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: you search for another job right or send you resources. 416 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 1: So again, these are questions you can ask HR, but 417 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: also include that in your game plan of this as 418 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,719 Speaker 1: to things that you should follow up on, because this 419 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: is the important stuff. Guys like I know we're gonna 420 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: want to be sad girls, and we can be okay, 421 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: g and I are not telling you can't. We want 422 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: to be proactive sad girls. 423 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 3: Okay, I want to bring up a question from one 424 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,360 Speaker 3: of our listeners. This is our segment Dear Work Bestie, 425 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 3: where we answer your questions. This week's comes from nine 426 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 3: in New York. 427 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 5: I love to know how soon are you supposed to 428 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 5: start looking after a layoff? Obviously it depends on each 429 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 5: person's situation, but would love some general guidelines. Also, how 430 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 5: do you offer support to colleagues who are laid off 431 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 5: when you weren't affected yourself, even to those that you 432 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 5: weren't that close to. 433 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,199 Speaker 3: This is such a great question, and I feel like 434 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 3: one that a lot of people have is when do 435 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,719 Speaker 3: I start job searching? And like I said before, panic 436 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 3: applying is not the most effective strategy, but understandably so 437 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 3: some people have to start applying immediately. In general, I 438 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 3: think that brief pause is still important, even if it's 439 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 3: just you know, a few minutes, like just take a 440 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,719 Speaker 3: second to breathe and okay, what is my next step? 441 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 3: When you decide to start looking for a job is 442 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 3: of course going to be dependent on your financial situation. 443 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 3: So if you're receiving severance after getting laid off, or 444 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 3: have a lot of savings, maybe you don't need to 445 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 3: jump into that job search right away and you can 446 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 3: take a break, But maybe you don't have you know, 447 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 3: the financial backing to be able to afford that break, 448 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 3: so you have to start looking for a job immediately. 449 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 3: Either way, evaluating your finances is a really good starting 450 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 3: point that will help you figure out when do I 451 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,719 Speaker 3: need to start looking for a job. Another thing to consider, 452 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 3: which is why I think this pause period is so important, 453 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 3: is maybe this, you know, layoff is a chance for 454 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 3: you to pivot right We've seen that a lot over 455 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 3: the last few years. Workers are getting laid off in 456 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,959 Speaker 3: one industry and finding jobs in another. So it's your 457 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 3: opportunity to decide is this the right career path for me? 458 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 3: Looking back on your work history or looking back on 459 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 3: just that previous job, thinking what did I like about this, 460 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 3: what did I not like? And how does that inform 461 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 3: what I want in a future opportunity? And maybe that 462 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 3: means like I want to go to a whole new 463 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 3: industry right like I don't even want to stay in 464 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 3: this role anymore. 465 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: Let me just add to that, g that that is 466 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: such an important thing for you to ask yourself. That 467 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: is exactly what I did when when I kept getting 468 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 1: impacted by layoffs in media, particularly in journalism. I was like, 469 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: I love this so much, but I need something with 470 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: a little bit more security. 471 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 6: Yeah. 472 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: I was like, I can't do this, and asking yourself 473 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: that question might actually save you a lot of heartache 474 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: down the future. I was able to pivot and I 475 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: get the best of both worlds now. 476 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's part of it too, Like, even if 477 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 3: you personally don't want to maybe pivot, you might think 478 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 3: for my career and whatever my goals are, it might 479 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 3: be best for me to, you know, find a more 480 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 3: stable path. 481 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 482 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 3: And then of course, once you start applying and you're 483 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 3: going through the interview process, you are going to be 484 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 3: asked what happened if let's say it's a shorter stint 485 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 3: on your resume. So let's say you were at a 486 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 3: company for a year or so or less than that 487 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 3: and you were laid off. You know, the good news 488 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 3: is that companies now don't look at getting laid off 489 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 3: as a red flag. It's unfortunately become so common that 490 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 3: it's not, you know, something that's going to stand out 491 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 3: too much on your resume, especially in this job market. 492 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 3: You know, you just have to say, unfortunately, I was 493 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 3: laid off. And if you decided to take let's say 494 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 3: a few months off in between your job and finding 495 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 3: a new ones you have a break. You can explain 496 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 3: the situation to you know, the potential employer by saying, 497 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 3: you know why you decided to take that break, and 498 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 3: what you learned during it, what did you gain from it, 499 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 3: what clarity did that give you? And during that time, 500 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 3: you know, did you take advantage of you know, upscilling 501 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 3: programs and keeping your skills fresh. Just keep it short, simple, 502 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 3: and answer honestly. 503 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay. So going back to NIC's question on how 504 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 1: to offer support to colleagues who have been laid off. 505 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 1: So the first thing I think is important is to 506 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: reassure them that a layoff again does not reflect their 507 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 1: competency or talent. And you can do that by acknowledging 508 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: all the work that they've done, I mean, all the 509 00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: work that they've done to help you, all the work 510 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 1: they've done to help the company, or even what you 511 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,439 Speaker 1: appreciate about them as a coworker. Next, and this is 512 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 1: super important, take a step back and listen. Everybody is 513 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: so quick to offer advice and it pisses me. Yeah, 514 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 1: it pisses me off. 515 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 2: Only because you don't like unsolicited advice. 516 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: Unknowing, you know, Gianna, I love it as much as 517 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 1: I love yapping. 518 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 2: It all comes. 519 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: Yapping. But I think that, like sometimes we forget that 520 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 1: when someone is grieving, because this is grief. Sometimes you 521 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 1: just need to offer a space to listen. And maybe 522 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: in that moment they're not in the right heart posture 523 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: to receive feedback yet or advice. Maybe they just need 524 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: to be angry, maybe they just need to grieve, Maybe 525 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: they just need to be sad, maybe they need to 526 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 1: go through all their emotions. Be there to listen, don't 527 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 1: be quick to offer advice or ask what their next 528 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: steps are. Be there as a supportive person. But then 529 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: when you do get asked for advice, make sure that 530 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,479 Speaker 1: it is specific and actionable. It can be something as 531 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: simple as if you ever need a talk, I'm here, 532 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: or let's say, for instance, you are a really great writer, 533 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 1: help your friends craft their about me section on LinkedIn right, 534 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: help people review their resumes, like utilize your network and resources. 535 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 1: But make sure that it is specific versus being just general, 536 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: which really can almost help nobody. And I would just say, 537 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 1: like that helps take the pressure off of that person 538 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: without having to figure out like how they can lean 539 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,959 Speaker 1: on you. But then it also kind of helps them 540 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: feel a little less overwhelmed because they know they have community. 541 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 1: So if you're going to offer, be specific. 542 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's just one less thing for them to 543 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 3: have to think about exactly. 544 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 5: Yeah. 545 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 1: Okay, So guys, look, I know this is a lot 546 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: of information. I know we have thrown so much at 547 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: you today, but again, there's going to be a ton 548 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: of resources down in the show description, so definitely make 549 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: sure you check the show description. And if you need 550 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,880 Speaker 1: more advice on how to handle layoffs, one of our 551 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 1: own LinkedIn editors, Andrew Semen, has a great podcast called 552 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: get Hired with tons of amazing tips on how to 553 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 1: navigate job lost, so definitely make sure you check that 554 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: out as well. Lastly, if you've been laid off and 555 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: you want to share your experience, comment in this week's 556 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: newsletter or even create a post and at Gianna and me, 557 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 1: we would love to hear your stories. I mean, honestly, 558 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: I hope that some of the tips that gian and 559 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,959 Speaker 1: I were able to share today will help you actually 560 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 1: prepare for this a little bit more. But listen to 561 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: me when I say this, you are not at the 562 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: mercy of what happens to you. You can be proactive 563 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 1: and prepared in the event you are ever impacted by 564 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:40,959 Speaker 1: a layoff. 565 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 3: Layoffs are definitely scary, but just know that you've got 566 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 3: this and we've got your back up. 567 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 2: Next. 568 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 3: Do you know one word that makes me nervous? 569 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 2: Hey? That's it. 570 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 3: Just Hey, we're gonna talk about why after the break. 571 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 1: So normally we close out our show sharing our like 572 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: final takeaways, but I want to change it up a 573 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: little bit this week, and Gianna, I want to put 574 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: the spotlight on you. Okay, you started off the episode 575 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: talking about how you've never been directly impacted by a layoffs. 576 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: You've seen colleagues get impacted and what that did for you, 577 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 1: and you are in a position I think a lot 578 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: of other people in their early career are right, which 579 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 1: is like, you've heard of layoffs, you've seen them play 580 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,959 Speaker 1: out on social media. You kind of always have this 581 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 1: little fear that it's going to come knocking on your door. 582 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: I want to know after today and all the things 583 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: that we've discussed, like, what are some of the takeaways 584 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: that you are taking, What is your game plan? What 585 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 1: is the Giona game plan. 586 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 2: Oh God in the hot seat for this now. 587 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 3: You know. I think the biggest thing that I'm taking 588 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 3: away from our conversation is that layoffs are something that 589 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 3: so many people experience, so you are not alone in that. 590 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 3: I feel like that's very comforting to know. I do, 591 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 3: you know, admittedly think that it would hurt a lot, 592 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 3: but I think this conversation has really shown me the 593 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 3: importance of having a game plan. You know, I've clearly 594 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 3: given some thought to this, but I don't have anything. 595 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 2: Like actually fleshed out. And he just said, my resume 596 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 2: is collecting us right now. 597 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 3: So I think that's a really good first step, is 598 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 3: assessing my resume, just making sure that I'm updating that 599 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 3: so it's not just a huge task, and also making 600 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 3: sure that I have a good outlook on my finances 601 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 3: and understanding of my financial landscape. 602 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 2: So yeah, I think those are my takeaways. 603 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. And I think what you were saying 604 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: about being prepared and having a game plan does not 605 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: mean that you are ready to leave your job right 606 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: Like people start saying, oh, let me brush up the resume, 607 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: Like wait, you get to own your career and that 608 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: is so important. Yeah, all right, this has been a 609 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: pretty heavy episode. I get it. So let's even mood 610 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: a little bit. You know, let's get a little comfortable. 611 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: We are gonna do cringe. Are cool? 612 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 7: Oh? 613 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: I love this. 614 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 2: That's when we get to. 615 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: Talk about things like workplace trends, things that are happening 616 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: in the workforce out in the world, and Gian and 617 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: I get to put our gen z and millennial minds 618 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: and we get to discuss is it cringe or is 619 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: it cool? Now I'm a little nervous. I'm already cringing 620 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 1: a little bit because I have no idea what we're 621 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: talking about this week. 622 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 2: Okay, I feel like I already know. Every time I say, 623 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 2: I'm like, I know what you're gonna think. 624 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 3: But okay, this week we're talking about hey, hanging hey. 625 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: Like for h y Okay. I was gonna say, for 626 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: a cow do cows? 627 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 2: Oh No, not like hey like enang okay? Hey, Hey. 628 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 3: So this means, okay, I'll give you a scenario to 629 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 3: help you understand. So let's say, for instance, I'm messaging 630 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 3: on Slack. I just say hey, that's it, and I 631 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 3: wait for you to reply before I tell you why 632 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 3: I'm messaging you, which maybe for you and I are dynamic. 633 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 2: You know, you might not be like, oh god, what 634 00:29:58,640 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 2: is it? 635 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 3: But for somebody who maybe has a bit more influence 636 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 3: if they message you in that way, or your manager 637 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 3: or you know in general, right, Like it's hey, Haying, 638 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 3: and it can cause a lot of anxiety because it's 639 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 3: like what does this person want? 640 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 2: What is coming next? I am scared? 641 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 3: And once you answer, you're like, Okay, they know them around. 642 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 3: I got to answer their next thing quick. So what 643 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 3: is it so scary? 644 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 2: So what do you think, Hey Haying. 645 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: I'm not answering. 646 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 2: Here're done? 647 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: No, because what are we doing? 648 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 2: Like no, I don't like it? 649 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: No, what are you doing? 650 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 2: Yeah? 651 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: Like if you had enough time to write, hey, you 652 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: could have at least given me like a like a 653 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: quick trailer, something like a five word like. 654 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 2: What a little prevow? 655 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 8: Yeah? 656 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: I don't like that. No, yeah no, But see, the 657 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: thing is like, because my anxiety would actually spike because 658 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: I'm just like what and that has actually happened to 659 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: me before. It was senior leadership Like they do that 660 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: and then like I don't hear anything. I go into 661 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: a meeting again, in the middle of a meeting, then 662 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: they're like hey, send me five examples of this, Like 663 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: right now I'm talking to like the senior CEO of 664 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: like well, and I'm like what that's eye twitches like no, no, please, yeah, please, 665 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,959 Speaker 1: I do not I but you know what when whenever 666 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: that happens, I try to remember, like certain people that's 667 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: how they communicate. But I would say I think the 668 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: anxiety comes from it being in a work environment. If 669 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: you are the person who does that, just kind of 670 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: like give people a little teaser, a little sound bite, 671 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: a little send a voice not you know, gion and 672 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: I love the voice. That would be great or even 673 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: just like a quick like hey do you have blah 674 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: blah blah blah insert And also when you do that, 675 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: add a deadline. Oh god, this is add a dead. 676 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh no, because when you are ever messaging today, 677 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 3: you got rules to follow. 678 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: I need I need an eta of like when you 679 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: need this buy because everything is gonna feel like a 680 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: level ten priority. But like you just saying hey makes 681 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: it feel so casual. No, I don't like it. 682 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I am like so not here for it because 683 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 3: it gives me so much anxiety of like what's coming next. 684 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 2: I'm the person that. 685 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 3: I'm like, so opposite of hay Hanging, I will like literally. 686 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 2: Type out a whole novel to you. 687 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 3: I will be like, hey, like whatever, whole novel of 688 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 3: everything I need. 689 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 2: It's all going in one message, to. 690 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 3: The point where like my manager has been like, wow, 691 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 3: you had that message ready? 692 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, prescript it. 693 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 2: I do. 694 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 9: Sometimes I Oh my god, you guys are gonna think 695 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 9: I'm clinically insane, which I am. I mean, but I 696 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 9: will like message like, I will type out the message 697 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 9: also to myself in slack first, because I don't want 698 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 9: people to see. 699 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 2: Like I'm typing for so long? Is that crazy? 700 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: Actually I do the same thing. Okay, I write it 701 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: in my notes app yeah, and then yeah I haven't 702 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: read Yeah. Yeah. 703 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 2: Let us know. What do you guys think about hay Hanging? 704 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 2: Are you a hay Hanger? Why are You'll just. 705 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: Message us and they just say hey, and that's their response. 706 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: If we don't, I'm not I'm sorry, just kidding gian 707 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: and I will answer because we love you all. Okay, guys, 708 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: this has been immedy episode, but I hope that you 709 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: guys have been able to take away a lot of 710 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: actionable tips that you feel empowered by. Thank you guys 711 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: so much for listening. 712 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 3: Yes, thank you guys, and make sure if you're not 713 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 3: already following our newsletter, Let's Talk Offline, where we go 714 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 3: even deeper into the topics we discuss on the pod. 715 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 3: You can share all your takes for our segments like 716 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 3: cringer cool, if you're hanging, or all the things. You 717 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 3: can find the link in the show description and it's 718 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 3: also in my LinkedIn bio. 719 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 2: It's called you Guessed it. 720 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: Let's Talk Offline. 721 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 2: I like it stunning now. 722 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: Also, I'm gonna give a huge shout out Tony for 723 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 1: sending in their question. I I know that that was 724 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: probably a hard question to ask. We appreciate it. We 725 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: want you all to know that you also have a 726 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: friend in us. You can send us your questions. Okay, 727 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: information on hab you that is also in the show description. 728 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 3: One last thing, make sure you guys rate and follow 729 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 3: the show wherever you like to listen. I'm a Spotify girly, 730 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 3: what are you doing? 731 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 9: I'm Apple podcast, but I do love a Spotify love 732 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 9: all right, And before you guys, thank you. 733 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 3: Remember Jimmy and I've always got your back. So if 734 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 3: something comes up in the meantime, let's talk offline. 735 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 2: I'm Jianna Prudenti. 736 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 1: And I'm Jamaie Jackson Gadson Gollop. Before you go, we're 737 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 1: going to end the show a little differently. Today we 738 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: ask listeners who've experienced layoffs to share their messages of support, 739 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 1: and we got an overwhelming response. Job loss is such 740 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: a common experience nowadays, so if you're going through it, 741 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,720 Speaker 1: it helps to know you're not alone. So stick around 742 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: and I hope you enjoy. 743 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,800 Speaker 7: Hey, So I actually got laid off, not once, but twice, 744 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,479 Speaker 7: and I have to say, if you've recently gotten laid off, 745 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 7: that's not where you were meant to be and it's tough, 746 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 7: but it'll be so much better one way or another. 747 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 7: You'll be grateful this happened to you. And that's what 748 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 7: happened to me. 749 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,799 Speaker 4: I've changed careers multiple times, and I've also been laid 750 00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 4: off various times for reasons outside of my control. Always 751 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 4: have found that my network in my community get me 752 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,280 Speaker 4: to the next place, and I always find something bigger 753 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 4: and better. Hi. 754 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 8: I was laid off in twenty twenty three, and a 755 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 8: few months after I started my own business for those 756 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,319 Speaker 8: laid off recently. This might be a low point. So 757 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 8: whatever your next move will be, be bold, whether it 758 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 8: be finding your next job or starting your own business, 759 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 8: say strong and you got this. 760 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 6: Being laid off can be scary due to the uncertainty, 761 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,879 Speaker 6: but you will be okay. Sometimes the best things come 762 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 6: from in certain situations, So take a moment and breathe. 763 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:37,320 Speaker 6: Great things take time, and you will be okay. 764 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 3: Let's Talk offline as a production of LinkedIn News and 765 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 3: iHeart Podcasts. The show is produced by Western Sound. Our 766 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,720 Speaker 3: producer is Sabrina Fang. The show is edited by Savannah Wright. 767 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 3: Our associate producer is Sarah Dilley. Alex McInnis is our engineer, 768 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 3: and Ben Adair is the executive producer. 769 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 1: Executive producers at iHeart Podcasts are Katrina Norvel and Niki Eatore. 770 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 1: Got import from LinkedIn's Jesse Hemple, Sarah Storm and Ayana Angel. 771 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: Maya Pope Chappelle is director of Content, Dave Pond is 772 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 1: Head of News Production, Courtney Coop is head of Original Programming, 773 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: and Dan Roth is the editor in chief of LinkedIn