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Speaker 3: Can't get them, joh, and not the thing what I'm

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Speaker 4: Hello, this is Alan schipknoking back for another fire drill.

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Speaker 4: This is a special one. We are going to talk

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Speaker 4: But before we get to those our special guests, Matt,

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Speaker 4: let's pay a few bills. Tell the people who's helping us,

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Speaker 4: sponsoring this podcast, and just your general excitement level for

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, thanks to Dormy Workshop, the family business based

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Speaker 1: We love that we're partners with them and appreciate their support.

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Speaker 1: And then Link Soul obviously the lifestyle brand I've been

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Speaker 4: Let's let's get to it, guys. I was out at

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's also just part of the experience, right

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Speaker 4: Really emotionally satisfying to be part of this project. It's also,

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Speaker 5: very very talented. So Justin Carlton was somebody who I

436
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 5: had never met before. I knew of him. We have

437
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 5: a couple of mutual friends, and we were in a

438
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 5: state in the middle of the project where we needed

439
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 5: some shaping help on short notice. Justin is based in Florida.

440
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 5: I called him on a Wednesday and he was here

441
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:32,679
Speaker 5: on a Thursday. So that's a pretty pretty good indication

442
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 5: of how special the project was to people in the

443
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 5: golf world when they heard about sand and ocean and

444
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 5: topography and all that that they jump on a plane

445
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 5: within twelve hours to get here to help out.

446
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 7: And so he.

447
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 5: Brought great talent, very creative ideas, and just kind of

448
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 5: the perfect how can I help attitude to the project.

449
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,919
Speaker 5: Brett Hostein is somebody that I've worked with down at

450
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 5: Santa Anna before, and he's uber talented, particularly as it

451
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 5: relates to kind of the bunkers and the details of

452
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 5: some of our sandscapes. He was kind of our bunker

453
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 5: and sandscape guru. Guy came back in and touched all

454
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 5: those up and has a really brilliant eye for some

455
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 5: of those things and helped us out tremendously and he

456
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 5: kind of came at multiple periods of the project to

457
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 5: help us out and added great value. And then Robert

458
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 5: Nelson's another guy with Brett's local. He's a Bay Area guy.

459
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 5: And Robert's another guy who had ties to the Bay

460
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 5: areas from the area, has got family in the area.

461
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 5: He was in North Carolina, but we were able to

462
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 5: get him to come out and and he dove in

463
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 5: and provided great value and creativity really excelled at kind

464
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 5: of the finish it finished work and would get out

465
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 5: there was hand ranking all sorts of areas and and

466
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 5: just uber committed to all the fine details about everything.

467
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 5: And so each each one of those guys really brought

468
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 5: great creativity ideas. You know, this project is so much

469
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 5: better because of their involvement and we just couldn't be

470
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 5: happier to have them as part of the team.

471
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Speaker 4: Josh, before you get into your people, tell the listeners

472
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 4: why rescue You know that's a rare and special grass

473
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 4: and people identify it with Scotland and maybe Ireland, and

474
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 4: you know championship level of golf courses in the Open

475
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 4: Rota and that sort of thing. But why fscue on

476
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 4: on this golf course?

477
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 6: Well, from our perspective, you know, when we start talking

478
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 6: to clients about their project. You know, grass selections one

479
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 6: of the big key factors, right, depending on where you're at.

480
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 6: And I have personal connection to find Vescue with you know,

481
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 6: between band in Dan's and Chambers Bay and my time

482
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 6: spent there. But the reality is we want the best

483
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 6: grass for each specific site that we work. You know,

484
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 6: if it's somewhere in southern California, it's probably going to

485
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,679
Speaker 6: be Bermuda grass or Coodia grass. You know up here

486
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 6: there's a lot of different churfs we can grow depending

487
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 6: on the specific location, you know, the microclimates in the

488
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 6: Bay area in northern California.

489
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 8: With this specific site.

490
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 6: You know, fescue is such a unique animal and that

491
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 6: it needs well drained soils, It needs a low traffic environment,

492
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 6: you know. But the benefits of find fescue are you know,

493
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 6: low chemical use, low you know, low input, overall, great

494
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 6: drought tolerance once established, low fertility.

495
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 8: Once established, all these things.

496
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 6: Right, So when you think about City of San Francisco

497
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 6: Golden Gate Park, you know, overall sustainability, you sit here

498
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 6: and you start to have all of these boxes checked,

499
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 6: right for what fescue can provide. And then we started

500
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 6: looking at Okay, it's on fifty to one hundred feet

501
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 6: of dune sand, It's in a cool, moderate climate where

502
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 6: something like bermuda grass would not thrive. It's going to

503
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 6: be a walking only facility with relatively low you know,

504
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 6: cart traffic things like that. You're going, Okay, Well, it

505
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 6: checks all the boxes for if we can plant it,

506
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 6: and it also checks all the boxes for if we

507
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 6: should plant it.

508
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 5: And so.

509
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 6: And then you know, from like Jay's perspective and my perspective,

510
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 6: we're sitting here on we know how great it plays,

511
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 6: and so you know, you're always looking to those like

512
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 6: unicorn sites where it's going to work because it does

513
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 6: play so great. And again, you know we cliche of

514
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,479
Speaker 6: the stars aligning, it really did around this turf selection.

515
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 6: And I really hope and I believe that this is

516
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 6: a was a great decision, you know, for the for

517
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 6: the long term and future of this property as it

518
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 6: relates to what you know, Record Park can do with it,

519
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 6: and and it really lines up with their mantra and

520
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 6: their ideals around how they want to manage their golf

521
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 6: courses in the city as well. So it just I

522
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 6: mean it fit in every aspect.

523
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 4: It's great for beginners, right because there's nothing more discouraging

524
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 4: when you're learning how to play golf and you kind

525
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 4: of top a shot or you don't catch it right

526
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 4: and it travels about six feet just stops dead and

527
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 4: long grass, and then the next shots even harder because

528
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 4: you're in this thick rough. And I mean it's kind

529
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 4: of user friendly for people who are learning the game,

530
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 4: or maybe seniors who don't get a lot of launch.

531
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 4: Like it seems like that that has the benefits.

532
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 6: Saw a few of those the other day, you know,

533
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 6: bottom two grooves on the golf club, and it still

534
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 6: worked out. So as far as as far as the

535
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 6: team goes, I think Jay, you know, Jay put it

536
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 6: really well.

537
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 8: As relates to the shapers, it was really the same

538
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 8: on the contractor's side.

539
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 6: I mean a lot of the projects that we're working on,

540
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 6: you know, are two and three years out because frankly speaking,

541
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 6: that's what it takes to get a team together generally.

542
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 6: The fact that this team came together and literally a

543
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 6: matter of two to three weeks is I still don't

544
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 6: totally see how it worked out that way. It really

545
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 6: was a project that was meant to happen. But you know,

546
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 6: the shapers, I'll just really quickly with those guys. I

547
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 6: mean the fact that they were able to come in

548
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 6: on the rotation that they did give us, you know,

549
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 6: and lend us their talents on that rotation. All three

550
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 6: bought into the overall vision that Jay had and the concept,

551
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 6: and then put their own little micro unique spin on

552
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 6: you know, how they saw things unfolding. I think it

553
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 6: just all came together for such an awesome, awesome golf

554
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 6: experience and it's it's unique and interesting and different in

555
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 6: you know, how each shaper puts their talent on things,

556
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 6: but also it all came together and provides this really

557
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 6: seamless journey through the property.

558
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,239
Speaker 8: So credit to those guys, Credit to Jay how that

559
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 8: came together.

560
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 6: As far as the contractor side, I kind of started

561
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 6: having conversations with a couple of guys that I knew,

562
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 6: you know, we're local and would probably have interest in this,

563
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 6: going back to probably like August September of the year prior,

564
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 6: just said, hey, I think we have a project. Pretty sure.

565
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 6: We're not going to know until you know, like two

566
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 6: three weeks before we're supposed to start. Can you guys,

567
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 6: can you guys work with us on this, and thankfully

568
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 6: they were able to. We had to get creative with

569
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 6: the earthwork. We actually used a great here, a local

570
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 6: contractor excavation contractor to help us with kind of the

571
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 6: removal of all the organic soil that was on top

572
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 6: of the sand, Durantaventables, and I had some relationships with them,

573
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 6: kind of going back to my time working here at

574
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 6: local private clubs, and they were great. You know, I'm

575
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 6: still marveled that they didn't just walk off the property

576
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 6: when we got the rain that we got in March

577
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 6: and getting equipment stuck and everything else, and everybody just

578
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 6: kind of marched forward with the great attitude and really,

579
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 6: you know, hey, that piece of equipment isn't working.

580
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 8: Let's try a new one, you know, let's try a

581
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 8: different one. We did that about four or.

582
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 6: Five times and ended up just quietly and happily getting

583
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 6: to the end of that part of it. And then

584
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 6: you know, a couple of we called them in you know,

585
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 6: project MVPs. But our ariation contractor is is kind of

586
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 6: a local legend, Brett Staples Park Consultants and based out

587
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 6: of Pacific Grove.

588
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 8: Literally it's him and two guys, and he runs.

589
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 6: A great little company and helps out a lot of

590
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 6: local golf courses here, you know, ranging from the Cyperus

591
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 6: points of the world to you know, this city of

592
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 6: Walling Creek. So he's kind of all over the place

593
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 6: and does all different levels and really somebody of high

594
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 6: integrity and honesty and work ethic and just one of

595
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 6: those people that's rare to find these days that's going

596
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 6: to operate really well on a handshake, you know, And

597
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 6: those are the kind of people that we were able

598
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 6: to get involved in this. And everybody's attitude was phenomenal.

599
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 6: It all ended in a place where everybody was very

600
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 6: excited about it, happy about it. The energy never got

601
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 6: We never got to a negative point in the project.

602
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 6: It was always everybody enjoyed coming here from the first

603
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 6: day of.

604
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 5: The last day.

605
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 6: And that's a really special thing. If you've ever been

606
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 6: a part of a construction project of any magnitude, that

607
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 6: generally doesn't happen there's always a low point, and we

608
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 6: never really had that. And I attribute that to the

609
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 6: group that was brought together to work on this, from

610
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 6: the contractors to the shapers to j and Dan being

611
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 6: an awesome client. You know, the city it was, it

612
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 6: was a really special thing to be a part of.

613
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 6: So and I also want to mention, you know, a

614
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 6: couple of strategic partners in this that you know, have

615
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 6: just really helped us out along the way to Turf Star,

616
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 6: our local Toro distributor. You know, I can't say enough

617
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 6: about them. They've come out. And then there's even things

618
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 6: that Dan and Jay don't know about that they've been

619
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 6: able to help me with, you know, just dropping off

620
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 6: mower so we needed, or coming out to adjust how

621
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 6: to cut you know, I'm in the area, do you

622
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 6: need anything. Definitely one of those where you know, unsung

623
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 6: on that front. You know, there's been a lot of

624
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 6: community that's come together on this thing to make it happen.

625
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 6: And I'm sure I'm forgetting names, but try to mention

626
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 6: them all at some point.

627
00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 5: Maybe uh, West Coast Turf and Ross Mitchell, Chris Mitchell,

628
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 5: you know.

629
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 6: Yep, yep, yeah, Russ and Chris on the on the

630
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 6: irrigation design side. And then yeah, definitely the West Coast

631
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 6: Turf guys coming out getting their hyde receiaters stuck in

632
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 6: the sand.

633
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 8: Multiple times, trying to get into places that I was trying.

634
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 6: To get them to and again the list is very long,

635
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 6: but point being, everybody did it with the right attitude,

636
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 6: the right energy and knew the goal.

637
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people, Dan that are making you

638
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: look really smart, aren't they.

639
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 2: Yeah?

640
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 7: No, you know it's interesting. You know, we're finally at

641
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 7: the end game, which is so rewarding. You know, but

642
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 7: going back several years ago, you know, as our lease

643
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 7: was up and we're thinking do we want to stay

644
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 7: in the golf operating business? And you know, we did

645
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 7: a lot of modeling fiscally right, and I mean operating

646
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 7: golf course isn't our first line of business, right, it's

647
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 7: but we're in it because of the kids, right, It's

648
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 7: an important strategy. But you know, working on fiscal models

649
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 7: of and coming up with a new creator of lease

650
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 7: agreement and could we fundraise in and you know, our leadership,

651
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 7: Scott Sollers, you know, just kind of taking the reins

652
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 7: and you know we fundraised nearly three million in a

653
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 7: matter of months, right, I mean that just doesn't happen

654
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 7: that often unless you have a strong brand and strong

655
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 7: people behind it. You know, gentlemen, Chris Williams, who sits

656
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 7: on the nonprofit board, you know, is there every step

657
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 7: of the way from a fiscal perspective. So it definitely

658
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 7: takes a village. It helps that it's a great village,

659
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 7: and you know, at the end of the day, we're

660
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 7: so excited to get this thing done and can't wait

661
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 7: for everybody to see it. You know, it's such a

662
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 7: massive win. Dan, you might want to share a little bit.

663
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,720
Speaker 5: You know, when people come out to the golf course

664
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 5: when it is open for public play, they're probably going

665
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 5: to run into Joe and Riley. You want to talk

666
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 5: a little bit about them and we can all share

667
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 5: what they bring to the table.

668
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, we have a we kept staff there,

669
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 7: you know, even though we're closed, and those guys have

670
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 7: done everything from you know, helping pick weeds or you know,

671
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 7: fixing fences that fall down in the night to like

672
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 7: trying to get ready for to operate a new business

673
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 7: that's going to be radically different than the business before, right.

674
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 7: I mean we anticipate probably you know, forty five thousand rounds.

675
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 7: We'll do excessive food and beverage, big first tea programs. Right,

676
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 7: So those guys have been there with Jay and Josh

677
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 7: every day. You know, doing daily tasks that maybe they

678
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 7: haven't signed up for, and in the meantime they get

679
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 7: ready to kind of open up and run a whole

680
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,919
Speaker 7: new business. So they've been rock stars as well through

681
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 7: the project. Yeah, as Jos's alluded to, there's just too

682
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 7: many names to to, you know, to mention, but we've

683
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 7: been very fortunate to have the people that have been

684
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 7: involved and have supported this project.

685
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 4: You know, A natural question that comes out of this

686
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 4: project is what's next. I mean, golf fans know that

687
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 4: there's been this movement to save Shark Park and take

688
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 4: it back to the Alistair McKenzie roots. I saw Richard

689
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 4: Harris out at Golden Gate the other day. He's been

690
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 4: the driving force behind Sharp Park for a long time.

691
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 4: I mean, is this a blueprint perhaps, because I mean

692
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 4: there's other city courses that need a lot of love,

693
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 4: and like Golden Gate, they have great bones, they are

694
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 4: on great sites. They could be amazing destinations for public

695
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 4: golf and oh, by the way, money makers for the

696
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,479
Speaker 4: city of San Francisco. But it would probably take more

697
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 4: private investment and more collaboration. But is this maybe a

698
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 4: prelude to some more ambitious projects locally?

699
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 7: You know, a few things, right, I mean, yet Harding

700
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 7: get turned around, you know decades ago, right, hosting major championships.

701
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 7: You have this project with Golden Gate Park. So a

702
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 7: couple things are at play. Is one, the city of

703
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 7: San Francisco in the Rerecon Park phil Ginsburg. They value

704
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 7: their golf properties more than they ever had, even though

705
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 7: from a budgetary standpoint, golf is such a small, you know,

706
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 7: percentage of their overall budget. They're paying attention to it

707
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 7: more than ever. They value their assets more than ever.

708
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 7: And then to show the private donors investment world, like, hey,

709
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 7: this is possible and it has such a great positive

710
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 7: impact on kids or the community. Those things are lining

711
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 7: up pretty strongly. And so a lot of the detraction

712
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 7: of like municipalities and like, you know, it doesn't make sense.

713
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 7: All those things are kind of those negative side are

714
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,959
Speaker 7: kind of being overcome. So I would say, now more

715
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 7: than ever, you know, anything's possible. Those you know Lincoln

716
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 7: Park and you know Sharp Parker two phenomenal public golf courses, right,

717
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 7: but they are in need of infrastructure and other things.

718
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 7: But Harding and now Golden Gate Park, you know absolutely

719
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 7: a model that private public partnerships can work for the

720
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 7: betterment of the community. It takes time and effort, but

721
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 7: you know, we'll see what happens from here. I'm cautiously

722
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 7: optimistic that we might see more of these types of

723
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 7: things happen, not only locally, but hopefully around the country.

724
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: Yes, it is, you know, this is. This is not

725
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: you know, going back to Beth Page and Harding and

726
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: Tory and then having it trickle down to places like

727
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 1: Kiney Park or WP nine, goat Hill Park, Canal Shores,

728
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: now Belmont and Richmond like this.

729
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 5: This is.

730
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 1: This is an ongoing thing. This is a real trend

731
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: in golf. I this is you know, you don't. The

732
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: good news here is this is yet another layer on

733
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: top of this cake in which people can use as

734
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: an example of what's possible if you have local leadership

735
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 1: like John Ashworth or like someone like yourself, Dan or

736
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: some like you know, a Sandy Tatum or someone who says,

737
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: hold on, let's identify an issue, let's let's let's formulate

738
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: a plan. Let's look around and see where this plan

739
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 1: and this process has benefited. Bobby Jones in Atlanta. You know,

740
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: this is happening all over the place, and that's what's

741
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 1: so cool and fun and exciting about this, And Jay

742
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 1: you pointed out about how, you know, the par three

743
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 1: course is a trend, but mostly that's happening at resorts

744
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: where you got to pay a premium. That the really

745
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: cool thing about this being a par three course. Winter

746
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: Park Nine's an executive Go Hill Park's an executive Belmont's

747
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: kind of They went to a par three plus a

748
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 1: version of of Tilling hass Old you know, old original,

749
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: you know this is this is to me, what's the

750
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: most exciting thing about this momentum and movement, the architecture

751
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 1: and sustainability, the teamwork makes a dream work like right, Like,

752
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: isn't that what's what you like? That's why people moved

753
00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: heaven and Earth to be a part of this or

754
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: stop and said how can I help or how because

755
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: it is feeling like this this organic you know growth

756
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 1: and why I say the true leaders in the game

757
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: are people like yourselves, you know, and that are willing

758
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 1: to actually do something for the good of the growth

759
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: of the game as it relates to affordability, accessibility. Kids.

760
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you know again, that's what excited all

761
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 5: of us to be part of this is that we

762
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 5: saw that opportunity. We saw the impact that it would

763
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 5: have on the on the community. The idea that you

764
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 5: could have something that's equally as compelling as the sandbox

765
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 5: at Sand Valley or the preserve abandoned and have it

766
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 5: in a local community where people can get there on

767
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,240
Speaker 5: their bike or buy Ammuni bus. Right, those those things

768
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 5: are are really exciting, And to your point, there are

769
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 5: other samples around the country. We're good and has happened,

770
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 5: and public private partnerships have worked, and hopefully this is

771
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 5: the tip of the iceberg that there. You know, whether

772
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 5: it's you think about just about every major city in

773
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 5: the country has their parking rec system or whichever umbrella

774
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 5: it's under, is going to have multiple golf courses, and

775
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 5: odds are they're lacking in infrastructure, they're maybe not architecturally compelling,

776
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 5: maybe they're not thriving from a business standpoint, and hopefully

777
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 5: the light bulb will go on that there's opportunity there

778
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 5: and with the right people involved, that dramatic transformation can happen,

779
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 5: and that transformation is going to positively impact generations of golfers.

780
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 4: And just to speak to the value that Dan mentioned earlier,

781
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 4: not to pick on Peter Hay, but it is kind

782
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 4: of the nearest Part three that's been redone recently. I'm

783
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 4: not seventy five bucks, and it's on a tight, little

784
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 4: cramped site. Half the holes are just a little knockdown,

785
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 4: you know, half swing sixty degree wedges. And I mean

786
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 4: Golden Gate is a big, expansive piece of property. It's

787
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 4: almost triple the size the footprint of Peter Hay. And

788
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 4: you know, the first hole, I hit six iron and it'

789
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 4: st uphill a little into the breeze. I think it

790
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 4: was one fifty five on the ground, playing about one

791
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 4: seventy five. Like you have to swing away at Golden

792
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 4: Gate a few times, and there's some you know, I

793
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 4: think the last hole maybe hit an eight iron, like

794
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 4: you know, it's playing about one fifty five. I mean

795
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 4: there's some meaty par threes. It's not you're not just

796
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 4: bunting it around like sometimes you feel like, you know,

797
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 4: the cradle at Piners is wonderful. Everyone loves it. But

798
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 4: again it's a lot of little holes. I mean, Golden

799
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 4: Gate feels like like a big ballpark for a Part three,

800
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,240
Speaker 4: and you have to hit a lot of different shots.

801
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 4: And because the you know, the holes are long, you're

802
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 4: gonna miss some greens, and then you have some really

803
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 4: fun short game options. So and you know, to get

804
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 4: that much of a golf course for forty bucks, I

805
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 4: think is incredible, you know, Alan.

806
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 7: To your point, I mean, you know, there's a lot

807
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 7: of phenomenal private clubs in our neighborhood, right, I mean

808
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 7: some of the top twenty courses, top fifty, top hunter

809
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 7: courses in the world. You know, from my lens, you

810
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 7: could take any of the nine holes at Golden Gate Park,

811
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 7: any single one of those, drop them over at the

812
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 7: neighboring private club as a part three on those courses

813
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,720
Speaker 7: and it would fit in perfect and be a very.

814
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 2: Good hole at any of those courses. Right. So to

815
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 2: me that from that lens, boy, it's just phenomenal nine

816
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 2: you know, great little holes, right yeah.

817
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 4: I mean, people who don't know the geography of San Francisco,

818
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 4: Harding Park, the Olympic Club, San Fransco, Golf Club, Lake

819
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 4: merc said, they're all clustered in on the western edge

820
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 4: of the Cow Club exactly kind of western edge of

821
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 4: San Francisco. And to get the Golden Gate Park golf course,

822
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 4: it is about what ten minute drive up the coast.

823
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 4: I mean it's so I think you'll get a lot

824
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 4: of that spill over play where you know, a guy

825
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 4: goes and plays col Club, he wants a little more golf,

826
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 4: but he's not he's not ready for another eighteen holes.

827
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 4: Like why just jump jump in your tesla and drive

828
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 4: over to to maybe a range rover if you're pretty incorrect,

829
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 4: and you just just head over to Goldenate Park. And

830
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 4: I mean it's a perfect sort of afternoon stroll when

831
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 4: you just need a little more golf. So it is

832
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 4: going to be an incredible community resource and the first

833
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 4: tea kids are going to be the big beneficiaries. But

834
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 4: I think hardcore golfers are still going to go over

835
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 4: there and play it and see it.

836
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 2: From cal Club. They're probably actually going to need to

837
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 2: take an uber the.

838
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,720
Speaker 1: You know, I think I got some time. I wasn't

839
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: there on this last outing, but I was there a

840
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago when the course was playable and

841
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: we hit some shots and we met up with some

842
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: of the locals. Haley, who started her own women's group,

843
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: who lives around the corner and has played it for

844
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: twenty years, doesn't have her own handicap because it just

845
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 1: does never play eighteen holes. She can now eventually start

846
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: registering scores, which is cool, but she's so excited to

847
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: get back there out there. Gary Giubeni. Gary Giubeni, who's

848
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: been playing this golf course since he was five years

849
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: old with his dad and played in the in the

850
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: in the the family event I guess at Golden Gate

851
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: Park And for him, he was admittedly a little bummed

852
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: to have the course closed, but because you guys allowed

853
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: him the occasional access and he got to walk around

854
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: and be a part of the process, and he, you know, said,

855
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: summarize the whole thing as like incredible or amazing, you know,

856
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: and being able to watch him now you know he's

857
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: you know, older in age, he's gone away from Golden

858
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,280
Speaker 1: Gate Park now coming back to me like that's that's

859
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 1: the most kind of coolest exciting thing about this. In

860
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 1: addition to the kids, and we talked to Abe, who

861
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: you know, made his first part on the second hole,

862
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: and and Haley had her first hole in one on

863
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: what is now the eighth hole, and can't wait to

864
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: see if she can have a hole in one on

865
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: now what is now the eight Like the locals are

866
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,919
Speaker 1: just like champing at the bit to get back out

867
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: there and experience what is essentially a new golf course

868
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: for them. What a gift.

869
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 7: It is a true local spot, right, it is got

870
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 7: you know, it is a nor Cal version of that.

871
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,280
Speaker 2: Right. It's all about the people that live locally.

872
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 7: There's definitely be a new new segment or sector of

873
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 7: the population that are going to want to come see it,

874
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 7: and hopefully we'll be able to exceed everybody.

875
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: It's gonna be the only thing bad about Goligate Park

876
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: is it's only nine olds. It needs to be like

877
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: twenty seven. You got to get more park, Dan, get

878
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: more parks.

879
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah.

880
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,439
Speaker 7: My line is, yeah, you can go play two through

881
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 7: eight anytime you want.

882
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 5: I do want to jump in and say, you know,

883
00:47:55,840 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 5: you talked about first Holling ones out there. We're having

884
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 5: some preview play out there a little bit, and the

885
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 5: last forty eight hours or so, I've got I've gotten

886
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 5: to witness three of them. So we had the first

887
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 5: one on number two Saturday morning, and then on Tuesday

888
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 5: we had one first swing of the day on whole

889
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 5: number one, get up, first swing of the day, Jack

890
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 5: knocks it and the beauty of it is that you know,

891
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 5: he hits it, you know, fifteen feet left, it goes

892
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 5: ten feet past the hole and then it just trickles

893
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 5: back in. And that was one that you could You

894
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 5: didn't know it was in or out until you got up,

895
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 5: so you had to wait until you walked all the

896
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 5: way up the hill and peeped in the hole and

897
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 5: saw that it was there. And then a good friend

898
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 5: of mine, Jason Bruno lynks Nation on Twitter. He flew

899
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 5: in from South Florida to join us, and he makes

900
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 5: one twenty minutes before sunset on eight where he throws

901
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 5: it beyond the hole and then it just trickles, and

902
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 5: you know, it takes ten seconds for the ball to

903
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 5: move ten feet and trickle back in. And then by

904
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 5: the time it goes in, you know, everybody's you know,

905
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 5: and cartwheels and high five and and bear hugging on

906
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 5: the tee. It's it's it's pretty fun. So if you

907
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 5: need to make an eighth call me up. I'm happy

908
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 5: to escort you around.

909
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,240
Speaker 4: Golden Gates at the pins.

910
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: Dude, Josh, I just talked for a second because you know,

911
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 1: we've been simultaneously working Golden Gate Park and Passa Tempo,

912
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 1: Santa Cruz to San Francisco, restoring Alistair McKenzie greens to

913
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: re you know, renovating this little local nine hole part

914
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: three course. And you've you know, you've had, You've really

915
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 1: been on you know, boots on the ground at Golden

916
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: Gate Park, but also consulting with and and and being

917
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 1: another set of eyes for Justin Mandon and Jim Urbina

918
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: at pass Tempo. My world's collided. As I was at

919
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: Positi come rolling up in a cart. I was like, wait,

920
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,720
Speaker 1: where did I take a wrong turn? That's Josh Lewis

921
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 1: in a cart at pos Tempo when I was, you know,

922
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 1: just saw you at Golden Gate Park. But to watch

923
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: simultaneously these two projects happening at two public facilities on

924
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 1: two very opposite ends of the spectrum in you know,

925
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: price point business model degrees of difficulty, Like, how crazy

926
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: has it been for you to be going sort of

927
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 1: back and forth from these two and watching all of

928
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 1: this unfold? Uh, you know, in kind of your your

929
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 1: neck of the woods.

930
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 8: I've had I've had a pretty good year. It's been

931
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 8: a pretty it's.

932
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 2: Been a pretty good for me.

933
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 5: How do you top this?

934
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 6: No, I mean it's it's I kind of you know,

935
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 6: this has been a twenty five years of doing this

936
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 6: and it's been a it's been a pretty awesome experience

937
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 6: this year to have you know, a client like like

938
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 6: Dan in the first tea and be able to be

939
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 6: a part of this project, work with a buddy and

940
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 6: Jay and you know, put something out there for the

941
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 6: local community in the first tea. And then and then

942
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 6: on the like you said, on the other end of

943
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,720
Speaker 6: the spectrum, to be a part of something so special

944
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 6: a posse and you know, be able there to to

945
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 6: support one of my best friends in Justin and you know,

946
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 6: I'm I'm pretty grateful for both of those opportunities. But yeah,

947
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 6: I think the ties that bind writer the public access

948
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 6: and you know where Mary and Holland started out at

949
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 6: past Tiempo and wanted to make sure that that remained

950
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 6: a facet of that business forever, you know, and then

951
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 6: to look at the way that you know, that's really

952
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 6: the primary goal of Golden Gate is is you know,

953
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 6: the first t Outer Richmond Outer sunset, you know, twenty

954
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 6: five bucks.

955
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 8: You know, that's that's that's truly growing the game in

956
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 8: that regard to But.

957
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, two of the most special things I've ever gotten

958
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 6: to do, and I got to do them at the

959
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 6: same time in the same year is pretty incredible.

960
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:52,720
Speaker 8: That's awesome.

961
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 4: And I was just reading on well a named golf

962
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 4: website that had this big write up of the Tree

963
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 4: Farm and Old Barnwell, there's two courses in South Carolina

964
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 4: that are geographically pretty close to each other, and it

965
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 4: was an interesting article. They sound like cool places, but

966
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 4: ninety nine point nine nine percent of the readers will

967
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 4: never get to play either one because they're private. And

968
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 4: so it's kind of like, what's the point, you know,

969
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 4: why even why am I even reading the story because

970
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 4: it doesn't it's not applicable to the golfing public. But

971
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 4: Pasta Tempo and of course Golden Gate are open everybody.

972
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 4: And that's just something that you have to shout from

973
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 4: the rooftops because it's rare in this game. You know,

974
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,280
Speaker 4: the most celebrated courses, the ones that people obsess over

975
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 4: all the lists, all the you know, the the sunset

976
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 4: photos on on Twitter. I mean, most people can't play them,

977
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 4: which is obnoxious. And so the fact that that you know,

978
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 4: Post Tempo is the top one hundred course everyone's going

979
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 4: to get to play, and now Golden Gate is gonna

980
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 4: be its own this magnet. I just think it's such

981
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 4: a it's so meaningful. It means a lot to me

982
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 4: and match to spotlight these stories. And obviously it's that

983
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 4: passion that that drew the three of you guys into this,

984
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 4: this project at Golden Gates. So hat tip to y'all

985
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 4: for you know, flying the flag for public golf. It's

986
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 4: really it's never been more important.

987
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: Hey, Dan, I'm curious from a First Tea perspective, and

988
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: I'm honestly don't know. And you've alluded to the fact

989
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 1: that you know, generally you guys, don't you know, manage facilities, right,

990
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: You kind of utilize facilities as these hubs of opportunities

991
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: to reach reach kids and have an impact on the

992
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 1: greater good. Do you think from a blueprint standpoint? And

993
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 1: back to that question, do you think First T, you know,

994
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: the national First T has got an I on this

995
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: and this will ultimately end up impacting any other First

996
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,720
Speaker 1: te facilities going forward? Like, is this is this something

997
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: within First T that is that you think might happen

998
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: more or or or or to be determined?

999
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 7: Good question, Matt, I mean, so you know, you take

1000
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 7: one hundred and fifty plus chapters around the country, there

1001
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 7: are First Chapters already operating golf courses, right, you know,

1002
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 7: it's not rare to have a municipal facility look to

1003
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 7: the local First Tea after it's growing and say, hey,

1004
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 7: here's one of our golf courses, why don't you take

1005
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 7: this over?

1006
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 2: So that precedent's been around for a while.

1007
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 7: What will get people excited for this particular project is

1008
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 7: leveraging what First he is doing in their own community

1009
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 7: to raise private funds to invest in those properties for

1010
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 7: the long term success of the chapter.

1011
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 2: Right.

1012
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 7: I think that's the added layer here is where we've

1013
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 7: used our donor base who are already supporting First t

1014
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 7: and they understood, like, this is a play for us

1015
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 7: to control this course and access at an important program

1016
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 7: site for the next fifteen years. That synergy, I think

1017
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 7: is going to really you know, show for the First

1018
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 7: Team network that this is as possible, you know, So

1019
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 7: we hope, you know, it helps the groundswell of you know,

1020
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 7: the First Teas are successful right now and the growth

1021
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 7: is there and the demand is off the charts, right,

1022
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:16,879
Speaker 7: so hopefully with you know, community grassroots efforts to raise money.

1023
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 7: You can see you know, projects like you know Brettschneider

1024
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 7: did in Richmond, and hear what we've done in in

1025
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 7: San Francisco that can happen in a Sacramento or a

1026
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 7: Seattle or you know other first tea hubs around the country.

1027
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: You know, the the National Links Trust obviously, you know,

1028
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:37,720
Speaker 1: I think Jay you were on a you were possibly

1029
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: on a panel recently Steve Leary, the mayor of winter

1030
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: Park nine at the time when that pro you know

1031
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: got put through and went from losing two hundred and

1032
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 1: fifty grand a year to now being a money maker,

1033
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 1: like you know what you know, Will Smith obviously being

1034
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: a you know, one of these people worth mentioning as

1035
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: a true leader trying to rally a community and private

1036
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 1: you know, funding and getting the effort to try to

1037
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: like make a difference. Is there best practices to be shared?

1038
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: Here are their tips or thought? You know John Ashworth

1039
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 1: gets you know, pinged constantly.

1040
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 5: What do I do?

1041
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: How do I do it? How can I do this?

1042
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: How can I do what you're doing? I have a

1043
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 1: local course that needs help. What do you guys have?

1044
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: Little things that you will ultimately end up sharing with

1045
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: others on what can or should be done to make

1046
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: a difference.

1047
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, we talked about that at the National Links Trust.

1048
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 5: They have an annual symposium on municipal golf and they

1049
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 5: have different panels and I was fortunate enough to serve

1050
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 5: on the architecture panel two years ago and then and

1051
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 5: then back just a month ago, and that was one

1052
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 5: of the things that we talked about, is you know,

1053
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 5: how do you pull it off? And so some of

1054
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 5: the things that we talked about were, you know, relationships right.

1055
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 5: So obviously Dan being at Olngate Park and with the

1056
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 5: first Tee for ten years, he's built those relationships within

1057
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 5: the city. So when it came time to work on

1058
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 5: a lease negotiation, they knew who that they who they

1059
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 5: were talking to. So identifying the right team members who

1060
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 5: have the right relationships, I think is critical. And then

1061
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 5: you know, Dan can probably speak to this. But then

1062
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 5: if you are trying to put a project together and

1063
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 5: a plan together, you know, trying to identify a team

1064
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 5: that's going to be all in and invested right and

1065
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 5: is in it for the right reasons. Oftentimes that's finding

1066
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 5: people who have a tie to that community, whether they

1067
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 5: live there locally or grew up in the area, or

1068
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 5: who's going to pour their heart and soul into the

1069
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 5: project and give it everything that they've got and pull

1070
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 5: everything together. So and you know, there's so many aspects

1071
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 5: to it, whether it's the operations or the fundraising, or

1072
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 5: the marketing, or the design and the construction. There's all

1073
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 5: those things. But at the end of the day, stuff

1074
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 5: gets done because of people, and so it's identifying the

1075
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 5: right people and setting them up for success, I think

1076
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 5: is the key.

1077
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 2: Yean, Yeah, I think Jay hit it on the head right. One.

1078
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 7: We've had a long standing positive relationship with the wreck

1079
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 7: and Park right they love us as an operator. We

1080
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 7: see this as a you know, important strategy in the

1081
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Speaker 7: long term. And then you have from the funding perspective,

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Speaker 7: our long term donors, you know, have invested for the

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00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 7: last twenty years, so reinvesting makes sense to them, especially

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00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 7: if it made sense for us from a programmatic standpoint.

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00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 7: And it's not easy to accomplish, but it is doable

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00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 7: to Jay's point, if the right people are in the room.

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00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 7: So you're right, Matt, it does take people from the

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00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 7: local community to band together, you know, look at things

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00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 7: very strategically and smartly and do some diligence, but ultimately,

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00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 7: if you can get the right people in the room,

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00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 7: you know, things like this can't happen.

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Speaker 5: I'll just follow up real quick and just say from

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00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 5: city side of things or from the municipality side of things,

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00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 5: what you want to try and identify as who's the

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00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 5: person on that side of the table that can get

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00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 5: that can get you to the wind right because municipalities

1097
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,439
Speaker 5: are inherently set up with layers and layers of red

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00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 5: tape and all these different processes, whether it's RFPs or

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00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 5: things like that that are just barriers to success in

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00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 5: so many ways. And so identifying the person within the

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00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 5: municipality who can be your partner, who can who can

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Speaker 5: navigate those waters, who can find the way to get

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00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 5: to yes as opposed to listing the twelve ways that

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00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 5: we're going to end up at no, and and that

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00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 5: that person is as critical as anybody.

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Speaker 8: I think I think too.

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Speaker 6: One thing and working with a couple of different municipalities

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00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 6: is some things are transferable. You know, some things that

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01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 6: Dan has been able to do as City of San

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01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 6: Francisco will work, you know, regardless of the municipality. But

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01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 6: each city is going to have very specific things that

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01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 6: are unique to them that you need to understand and

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01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 6: be flexible in working with, you know, figuring those things out.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 6: I think that's one of the things that Dan's done

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Speaker 6: a really good job of with City San Francisco. And

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Speaker 6: we've had this conversation quite a bit through this project.

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Speaker 6: Is you know, this is this is just how it

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01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 6: needs to be done. This is you know, I know

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Speaker 6: there's an ideal or I know there's a way we'd

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01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 6: like to do this, but this is the way we

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01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 6: need to do it. And understanding those key things depending

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Speaker 6: on which city you're working with, I think is really important.

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Speaker 6: Each region of the country is going to have different

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Speaker 6: priorities and you know, learning, learning their system, being a

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01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 6: master of their system.

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Speaker 4: This is so yeah, it is. I mean, Dan, you

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Speaker 4: said the key is to get the right people. I

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01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 4: think it's obvious to the listeners like you guys are

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01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 4: the right people for this job. You know, we've we've

1131
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 4: been talking about Golden Gate Park going back to February.

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01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 4: Now now it's here and it's just a delight. I

1133
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 4: think everyone who's listened to this podcast is going to

1134
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 4: want to go play it. I would encourage them to Do,

1135
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 4: so it's it's just a really special thing and it's

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01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 4: been fun for us to be a part of it.

1137
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 4: Seems like a good time to draw this podcast to close.

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01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 4: Anyone have any final thoughts before we release the listeners.

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Speaker 1: I just want to say that I think it's cool

1140
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: from an architectural standpoint that Jay, you know, I know,

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01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 1: you know, you've been flying below the radar. You're in

1142
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:48,479
Speaker 1: your early forties, You've worked on some big projects, You've

1143
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 1: done some really cool stuff. Some of it's been private,

1144
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: or some of it's been under the you know, under

1145
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: the in the shadow of other big name architects. And

1146
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 1: you know, we've seen what happened with Keith rev and

1147
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: Riley Johns at WP nine and then they did the

1148
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 1: short Course at fors Do, and we've seen you know

1149
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 1: what you know, Gil Hans did with the Cradle, and

1150
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 1: obviously Bill and Bennett to preserve, and then Dave Accident

1151
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 1: and Rod Whitman, you know, and Keith at Shorty. You know,

1152
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 1: the littlest things can somew sometimes have the biggest impact.

1153
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: And I'm really excited for you. I've I've really enjoyed

1154
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 1: the walking talks that we've all had out there I'm

1155
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 1: gonna miss I said our text thread of this group

1156
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite things. I wanted to keep

1157
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 1: going just because this project is over. I want us

1158
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 1: to all keep in touch. I'm going to miss you.

1159
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 1: Guys already have separation anxiety. I just it's just, you know,

1160
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 1: the sense of discovery for me, whether it's travel or

1161
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 1: you know, going and seeing a new course or meeting

1162
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: a new architect. What Todd Quintino is doing at Canal

1163
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 1: Shores is another thing.

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01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 7: You know.

1165
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 1: I haven't really met and talked to Ty. Can't wait

1166
01:02:56,440 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 1: to see like these little projects can have. It can

1167
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 1: be the biggest stones in this in this in this

1168
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 1: pond of golf. And the reason why I support the

1169
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 1: growth of the game, or say anti rollbackers, is be

1170
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 1: simply because the game has given me so much. It's

1171
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 1: given everybody on this call so much, everybody listening so much.

1172
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 1: We want to you know, it makes better people. What

1173
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: Golden Gate Park is going to do is help create

1174
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 1: that camaraderie and that culture and that community aspect in

1175
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 1: which we all feel like we're a part of something

1176
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 1: and watching all of this continue to have generational impact

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01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 1: on the greater good of not just golfers, but as

1178
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 1: like first he says, people, that's why all of this matters,

1179
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 1: and why it's so feel good and why it's just

1180
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 1: fun to be a small part of it. Congratulations to

1181
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 1: you guys, Congratulations to everyone involved, Congratulations to the people

1182
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 1: who who put their money where their mouth is and

1183
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: and and I can't wait to continue to watch it

1184
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 1: just sort of uh, you know, thrive and survive and

1185
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 1: flourish and make an impact. So thank you, Thank you

1186
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 1: for letting us be a small part of this.

1187
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 5: Is an easy solution to separation anxiety. Come on up,

1188
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:13,919
Speaker 5: I'm out.

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01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we got a whole other year of positive

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01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 1: Temple automatically puts me in the area. So this is uh,

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01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 1: it's going to happen, and.

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01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 5: I look forward to it.

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01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 2: Thanks you guys, much appreciated.

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01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 5: Thanks, thanks so much for all you've done. It's really

1195
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 5: been special to watch you guys document and your storytelling

1196
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 5: is is really unparalleled, and so it's great for us

1197
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 5: to be able. You know, we knew this was going

1198
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 5: to be something special, but we didn't know how to

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Speaker 5: share it with the world, and so to be able

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Speaker 5: to have you guys do that as meant the world

1201
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 5: to us, so we appreciate all that you guys.

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01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 1: Do, watching you taking your designs and layering them over

1203
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 1: that dirt, and and now what we're going to unveil

1204
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 1: in this next part where it actually becomes something real

1205
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 1: like your drawings themselves.

1206
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 5: I hope.

1207
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 1: Dan, this is my suggestion, take Jay's drawings, blow them up,

1208
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 1: post your size, and put them in that new clubhouse

1209
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: when it's gonna avail, because they are so cool to

1210
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 1: just look at and see and then go actually watch

1211
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 1: the ball do what he kind of shows it's going

1212
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 1: to do.

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01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 5: It's amazing.

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01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 1: It's really cool.

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01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 2: Jay. Are you gonna charge me for that.

1216
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 5: That he won't donate? That's maybe a Burger dog or something.

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01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 4: All right, well, great stuff, y'all. This has been another

1218
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 4: fire Drill podcast or Matt Janella, Josh Lewis, Jay Blasei,

1219
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 4: and Dan Burke. This is Allen Schiffnook. Thanks for listening,

1220
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 4: and we'll be back in your ear soon. Definitely go

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01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 4: to firepay Collective dot com. You can watch the videos,

1222
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 4: read the stories, and get either even more immersed in

1223
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 4: what's happening at Golden Gate Park golf Course. That's the

1224
01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 4: end of this podcast. Goodbye, that big gun.

1225
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 3: I played the wind, made a fortune. When my ship

1226
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 3: came in, I ran the table, never thought I could

1227
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 3: fall down.

1228
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 8: The winter time hit me like a cannon in the ball.

1229
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 3: And now I can't shape this losing streak. Every road

1230
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:25,919
Speaker 3: I take it is a dead end street. I got

1231
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 3: thoughts in my head, can't get them out, trying not

1232
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 3: to think what I'm thinking about.

1233
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 8: I got thoughts in my head, can't

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01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 3: Get them out, Trying not to think what I'm thinking about.