Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're talking about another Larimie
Speaker 1: Tunzel mega deal just a six years later. I'm Greg
Speaker 1: rosenthalm here in the Chris Westling podcast studio on the
Speaker 1: first day of the NFL negotiating window, Patrick Claybon and Man.
Speaker 1: We have a lot of deals to talk about.
Speaker 2: And it's to think about the amount of time that's
Speaker 2: passed there, because it feels like yesterday, but also it
Speaker 2: feels like twenty million years ago since that twenty nineteen trade.
Speaker 2: But it's symbolized by just how many things are constantly happening.
Speaker 2: And that's just one of the many things we get
Speaker 2: to discuss.
Speaker 3: Today in the march of time.
Speaker 1: Because the price tag for Laramie Tunzel in twenty five
Speaker 1: not the same price tag as it was in nineteen,
Speaker 1: and yet very significant and it was front of my
Speaker 1: mind because it was the most surprising news I think
Speaker 1: that happened on Monday. If you listened to our Sunday
Speaker 1: night recap show, Shook and I hit some of the
Speaker 1: big names like Devon and Geno, Smith and DK and
Speaker 1: on the first day of freegency we had just a
Speaker 1: crazy amount of players signed. As usual, it seems like
Speaker 1: it goes faster and faster every year. Maybe not as
Speaker 1: many huge, huge fireworks, Patrick, but we're going to go
Speaker 1: through it all day. I was stressed about, like, what
Speaker 1: is the right time to tape this show. I want
Speaker 1: to get get it right, and so we're coming straight
Speaker 1: off the set. If you're watching on YouTube, you get
Speaker 1: a free Greg still got the pocket look at my
Speaker 1: pocket square because we did NFL Insiders together and people
Speaker 1: should check out Patrick on that all week long. I'll
Speaker 1: be back with you on Wednesday for sure. On that show,
Speaker 1: let's actually start at the quarterback position. So we're just
Speaker 1: going to go through every item of news. My vision
Speaker 1: for this NFL Daily week it's really just news focus.
Speaker 1: If you only listen to this podcast for some reason,
Speaker 1: I want you to feel like you have literally every
Speaker 1: significant deal covered.
Speaker 2: If you listen to Greg this week, you will be
Speaker 2: fully plugged in as if you were listening to our
Speaker 2: show for the entirety of the six hour.
Speaker 1: We're gonna try to squeeze it into about an hour.
Speaker 1: All right, Sammy, Donald's go into the Seahawks. This was
Speaker 1: the move that every year, there's one that everyone knew
Speaker 1: was happening before free agency started at least after the
Speaker 1: Geno Smith trade happened. And now I look back at
Speaker 1: last week and I think about all those reports and
Speaker 1: I fell into it too. We talked about it with
Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah. Oh, well, actually the best option for Sam
Speaker 1: Donald might be Minnesota, and that's getting push push, And
Speaker 1: now I look back on that as Oh, were they
Speaker 1: playing a leverage game the Donald camp to make it
Speaker 1: seem like, Hey, you got to raise your price there
Speaker 1: in Seattle, and Seattle's waiting to finish that behind the
Speaker 1: scenes before they trade Geno. Well, they've got their guy,
Speaker 1: thirty seven point five million dollars guaranteed, three for fifty overall.
Speaker 1: Depends on how you look at it, it's essentially the
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield contract for Seattle. I think you can make
Speaker 1: the case of why they made this deal. What did
Speaker 1: you think about it when you're breaking it on NFL Network.
Speaker 2: Well, ultimately, the deal it's very difficult, just like it
Speaker 2: was for the Michael PENNOCKX draft pick, to be viewed
Speaker 2: as just the deal, because the Seahawks got rid of
Speaker 2: a good quarterback. Ultimately trading in a way to play
Speaker 2: for their old coach and his oole coach in Las
Speaker 2: Vegas to bring in Sam Donald, who had that spectacular year,
Speaker 2: not being dismissive of that that spectacular year on a
Speaker 2: team that was loaded with offensive talent, on a team
Speaker 2: that featured the coach of the Year and Kevin O'Connell
Speaker 2: calling the plays, to go to a team that just
Speaker 2: fired their offensive coordinator, got rid of their best receiver,
Speaker 2: a longtime great at receiver, and is in total turnover.
Speaker 2: In the entire situation where it's difficult to view Sam
Speaker 2: Donald and say, yeah, I'm excited about Sam Donald when
Speaker 2: in my opinion, they had a better quarterback last year.
Speaker 3: Right, So I need, I wanted.
Speaker 1: This is one of the contracts, and I agree with
Speaker 1: everything you said that I want to see the details
Speaker 1: to it. The report is fifty five million dollars guaranteed.
Speaker 1: How much of that money is into year two. It
Speaker 1: reminds me a lot of when Derek carr re signed
Speaker 1: with the Raiders. It's hard to keep which coaching staff
Speaker 1: was there at the time straight, but I believe it
Speaker 1: was with Josh McDaniels, and people were a little surprised,
Speaker 1: and I remember saying at the time, this is really
Speaker 1: a one year deal and it's a try it out
Speaker 1: and see if this marriage works that one didn't work.
Speaker 1: I suspect that's what this darnold move is ultimately, So
Speaker 1: if you just go through the logic of it in
Speaker 1: a total vacuum they are putting out there through the media,
Speaker 1: our guys reported at the Insiders that Gino was offered
Speaker 1: basically the same or similar contract. He said no, So
Speaker 1: from the Seattle's perspective, they're looking at it like they
Speaker 1: got seven years younger. That's significant. Gino is getting older.
Speaker 1: I think that is a concern. He hasn't showed his age,
Speaker 1: I don't think, but that's a concern that he's going
Speaker 1: to be cheaper than whatever genosigned for with the Raiders,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe by a little bit, and Gino might
Speaker 1: get guaranteed money in to twenty twenty six. And most
Speaker 1: importantly in my mind, maybe Donald's a better fit or
Speaker 1: he's a good fit at least in Clint Kubiak's offense.
Speaker 1: Clint Kubiak was in New Orleans last year. He was
Speaker 1: in Minnesota a few years back with Kirk Cousins. This
Speaker 1: kind of paint by numbers back to the offense play action.
Speaker 1: What Sam Donald was successful in Minnesota. Maybe Gino wasn't
Speaker 1: the perfect fit for that. You add that up all
Speaker 1: up together, and a little bit in a vacuum, you
Speaker 1: actually can see the vision. It's not that they didn't
Speaker 1: have a vision. I don't necessarily think it's going to
Speaker 1: be unsuccessful. But then I come back to the point
Speaker 1: that you said, which is Geno Smith this is better
Speaker 1: at football. He's just better, and that the problems that
Speaker 1: Donald has, which I believe are reading defenses before and
Speaker 1: after the snap, are going to get them in big spots.
Speaker 1: I don't think Gino would have had the meltdown eighteen
Speaker 1: game where it was really an opposing coordinator breaking Donald's
Speaker 1: brain and making him freeze like Donald did. And we'll
Speaker 1: see if that happens, you know for Seattle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ultimate, the Seahawks can improve in a lot of
Speaker 2: different areas, and Sam Donald can continue to approve. And
Speaker 2: he's always going to be younger than Geno Smith, like clearly,
Speaker 2: like the linear nature of time has dictated that. But
Speaker 2: I would need to see a age related falloff for Gino,
Speaker 2: who again watched football for several seasons, right, So, I
Speaker 2: don't know if Gino's age relatively to the people who
Speaker 2: played football for those entire seasons. Is the same. But
Speaker 2: considering that they had already made the Gino trade, I
Speaker 2: think Sam Donald was the best option for what was available. Yes,
Speaker 2: and they had to pay that Sam Donald price. So
Speaker 2: in that view, good welcome back Sam Donald. It's just
Speaker 2: a tough situation for him to go to and try
Speaker 2: to be successful where all those people watch Geno and
Speaker 2: company go up and down the field, Gino doing spin
Speaker 2: moves in the pocket to get away from early interior rushes,
Speaker 2: firing a ball down the field, where that's not necessarily
Speaker 2: Sam's game, and it's going to be tough for people
Speaker 2: to see that to go to whatever this version of
Speaker 2: the Kubiak offense is going to be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, our friend Mina Kaimes pointed out in a couple
Speaker 1: of different stats how different their pressure rate In terms
Speaker 1: of quick pressure. Donald was eighteenth in the league in
Speaker 1: facing quick pressure. Gino was second, behind only Drake May
Speaker 1: and that disastrous offensive line, and Gino's numbers against quick
Speaker 1: pressure were great. The case again for is I don't
Speaker 1: think that's going to happen with Clint Kubiak. I know
Speaker 1: Darnald likes to hold the ball a lot, but that
Speaker 1: should be an offense where you get rid of the
Speaker 1: ball quickly. The scheme is supposed to make up for
Speaker 1: some of the offensive line deficiencies. They're certainly going to
Speaker 1: add some offensive linemen on the interior and free agency
Speaker 1: and the draft and so like everything this week, it's
Speaker 1: not a final answer, and it's going to be fascinating.
Speaker 1: But I think you can only choose one. You're either
Speaker 1: in Geno Nation or you're part of the Donald Hive.
Speaker 1: And this is gonna be tough for menat I'm doing
Speaker 1: her show Wednesday, actually, so I will ask her about
Speaker 1: it in person. You have to choose one.
Speaker 2: You're either with me or you're against me.
Speaker 1: You can't do it. It's spicy, though it adds a little spice.
Speaker 1: I never bought the whole idea that the Seahawks are
Speaker 1: trying to reset by trading Gino and DK Metcalf. John
Speaker 1: Schneider is on the hot seat, Mike McDonald's entering his
Speaker 1: second year. They're not trying to reset. They're gonna try
Speaker 1: to win. This is their way that they're trying to win.
Speaker 1: That's just I don't think they're trying to take a
Speaker 1: step back. As my point is, I believe they're trying
Speaker 1: to win the NFC West, and this is John Schneider's
Speaker 1: idea of how to do it. Whether that works or not,
Speaker 1: I have my doubts, but that's his idea.
Speaker 2: I will say this, Sam Donald will have fewer attempts
Speaker 2: than Geno Smith had in twenty twenty four. I don't
Speaker 2: think that the offense will be as heavily featuring the
Speaker 2: quarterback and his decision making. And you will get whatever
Speaker 2: the investment's worth in Sam Donald, but the ceiling in
Speaker 2: terms of what you can try to accomplish, I don't
Speaker 2: think they're gonna they're gonna do that with Sam.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we'll see.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe Gino does better away from Ryan Grebb, but
Speaker 1: who knows, maybe Ryan Grebb at Alabama now does better
Speaker 1: without Geno.
Speaker 3: We will see.
Speaker 1: That was a one year moment in time with the Seahawks,
Speaker 1: like a fun little mini era, and it's.
Speaker 2: Over a good Seahawks team, by the way, like.
Speaker 3: They won ten games. They won ten games.
Speaker 2: You change a couple of things, the results are a
Speaker 2: lot different.
Speaker 3: Justin fields is the new Jets quarterback? Love that two years?
Speaker 1: Forty million dollars, thirty million dollars guaranteed. I was one
Speaker 1: of the more like, I don't want to react to
Speaker 1: the reactions all the time, but some of the most
Speaker 1: surprising reactions I saw today were people thinking that, wow,
Speaker 1: that much money for Justin Fields, and I was like,
Speaker 1: that's a that's great money for Justin Field. First of all,
Speaker 1: it's half as much as Sam Donald. That seems appropriate,
Speaker 1: I mean after the Donald season. But it's like, it's
Speaker 1: not a lot. It's twenty million dollars per year, it's
Speaker 1: thirty guaranteed. This is another one year type of deal,
Speaker 1: and I think, considering the market that was out there,
Speaker 1: a better option. I would much rather have Justin Fields
Speaker 1: on this contract and get off of Aaron Rodgers, which
Speaker 1: they're going to do, than keeping Aaron Rodgers or really
Speaker 1: going after any other free agent quarterback that was available.
Speaker 1: They didn't have amazing options. I think this one is
Speaker 1: pretty intriguing for a few reasons.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and shout out to former Patriot, former Raider Marshall Newhouse.
Speaker 2: On social media webskype blue Sky pointed out that this
Speaker 2: is the rate to be the starting quarterback of a
Speaker 2: team that's going through the rebuild. All right, there's going
Speaker 2: to be a lot that's put on Justin Fields as
Speaker 2: this team tries to find out what they want to be,
Speaker 2: what they're going to be. And yeah, thirty million guaranteed,
Speaker 2: because that's where I start. It is a dangerous trend
Speaker 2: that we're going on where there's contracts that have quote
Speaker 2: in guarantees, but some of those guarantees are conditional, and
Speaker 2: I ask the question, guarantees are conditional, it's not a guarantee.
Speaker 2: But anyway, that's just how things get reported. Sometimes. I
Speaker 2: think thirty million over the course of two years to
Speaker 2: get a guy who has made plays like a top
Speaker 2: five rusher in the league since twenty twenty one at
Speaker 2: the quarterback position, and he hasn't necessarily played that many games.
Speaker 2: He's ever in six yards of carry and we never
Speaker 2: really got to see what the passing game could look
Speaker 2: like for Justin Fields because he lost his job by.
Speaker 1: The Here here's what he has in New York. Four
Speaker 1: fifths of a pretty good offensive line. I think on paper,
Speaker 1: Olufashenu look good at tackle. The rookie last year. They
Speaker 1: need another tackle, so that's pretty important, but their interior
Speaker 1: line looks pretty solid. Number one true number one receiver
Speaker 1: in Garrett Wilson in a really intriguing backfield in Breese
Speaker 1: Haall and Braylen Allen. That field adds to and you
Speaker 1: just have a feeling they're going to be a run
Speaker 1: for his offense. They have a defensive minded head coach.
Speaker 1: I think it could be fun and I think they
Speaker 1: could add to it in the draft. And maybe it
Speaker 1: speaks a little bit to where the are in the
Speaker 1: draft and not believing necessarily that should here Sanders is
Speaker 1: going to be available or that he's going to be
Speaker 1: their future quarterback. But who knows, Like if you told
Speaker 1: me they wind up taking Sanders at seven, like this
Speaker 1: signing certainly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thirty million dollars doesn't necessarily change that.
Speaker 3: The math has changed. We just have to get used
Speaker 3: to it.
Speaker 1: And I include myself in that because there's a couple
Speaker 1: of contracts today that I was like, whoa, the cap
Speaker 1: is going up. Just for some examples, bj Hill sixteen
Speaker 1: million dollars guaranteed, okay, and he's a rotational defensive tackle
Speaker 1: two two at Well gets the ten million dollar contract
Speaker 1: Diommy Brown, who had you know three four hundred dollars?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 1: If those guys are worth ten million dollars Justin Fields,
Speaker 1: who's probably going to be starting Week one for your
Speaker 1: team and showed a lot of potential, is worth twenty.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just how it goes like that is
Speaker 1: now between a starting quarterback and a backup quarterback. There's
Speaker 1: always been that market. It's a small market, and Justin
Speaker 1: Fields that's that's now where that market is. I think
Speaker 1: it's f fascinating though by all accounts, the Steelers wanted.
Speaker 3: To keep Justin Fields over Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1: And I think the credit that everyone gave Mike Tomlin
Speaker 1: for benching Russell Wilson ultimately blew up in their face.
Speaker 1: Right Well, I think he flamed out and they couldn't
Speaker 1: keep Fields because I bet if they had stuck with
Speaker 1: Fields the whole time, he wouldn't be leaving them for
Speaker 1: the Jets. But why would he be loyal to the
Speaker 1: Steelers and give him the Tomlin discount that he players
Speaker 1: like to give.
Speaker 2: And also it feels like discounted on. Some blame was
Speaker 2: perhaps Arthur Smith's management of things as they went on,
Speaker 2: where we don't really know what could have come from
Speaker 2: either of those guys last year in Pittsburgh, where it
Speaker 2: just the offense fell apart. It seemed out of sync
Speaker 2: to an extent that a lot of it was the
Speaker 2: schedule and they were just playing better teams down the stretch, true,
Speaker 2: including playoff teams, but just weird.
Speaker 1: It's like when six years from now we'll look back
Speaker 1: and be like, remember that year Justin Fields and Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson where the quarterbacks in Pittsburgh, And I think it
Speaker 1: blew up a little in their face because it doesn't
Speaker 1: sound like they want Russell Wilson back. It sounds like
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is going to go to the Steelers of
Speaker 1: the Giants. We're not going to spend much time on
Speaker 1: that because at some point it'll happen and we'll just
Speaker 1: talk about it there. But it really seems like he
Speaker 1: is now the top name available at quarterback. Those are
Speaker 1: the two teams that are interested in him. We'll see
Speaker 1: what happens. The Jets, by the way, also gave Brandon
Speaker 1: Stevens three years thirty six million dollars. Again, I want
Speaker 1: to see the structure in all that. But a cornerback
Speaker 1: that was picked on more than just about anyone in
Speaker 1: the league for the Ravens last year.
Speaker 3: But if Aaron Glenn likes him.
Speaker 1: I tend to trust Aaron Glenn, so that's an interesting sign,
Speaker 1: and he's kind of replacing DJ Reid. More on him
Speaker 1: in a minute. All right, let's get back to the
Speaker 1: Tunsil trade. This is the other really big item in
Speaker 1: terms of a name value. He goes from the Houston
Speaker 1: Texans to the Washington Commanders. They swapped fourth round picks
Speaker 1: in terms of the years, let's just ignore that and
Speaker 1: simplify it. Laramie Tunsel essentially got traded to the Commanders
Speaker 1: for a second, a third, and a seventh, and he
Speaker 1: got traded for a lot more when he went from
Speaker 1: Miami to Houston, and he looked like a potential future
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, and who knows, he's got five Pro
Speaker 1: Bowls and he had a really great run in Houston
Speaker 1: coming off his worst year ton of fallse starts. Maybe
Speaker 1: not consistent in the run game like they want him,
Speaker 1: but anyone that knows anything would say he's one of
Speaker 1: the best pass protectors in the entire NFL. And that's
Speaker 1: why he costs so much. A second, a third, and
Speaker 1: a seventh, and everyone's like, this is what you do
Speaker 1: with a rookie quarterback. You have him on that contract,
Speaker 1: you take advantage by being aggressive. And I'm thinking, what
Speaker 1: about the Texans. They've got a pretty great quarterback on
Speaker 1: a rookie contract.
Speaker 3: Oh, what makes some sense of this to me?
Speaker 2: Well, we had discussed right in our AFC South preview
Speaker 2: the hopes for the Houston Texans that were directly tied
Speaker 2: to having money in cash available where they need help
Speaker 2: it wide receiver. They have to make these changes. The
Speaker 2: protection up front that wasn't Laramie Tunseel wasn't necessarily great.
Speaker 2: How much of that was going on the offensive coordinator,
Speaker 2: how much of that was going on the offensive line coach.
Speaker 2: They made both of those changes. That was their spot
Speaker 2: to create space was shipping out Laramie Tunsel. So now
Speaker 2: that they've done that, once the play started, and again
Speaker 2: I understand, the fall starts back you off five yards.
Speaker 2: They put you in bad situations, it becomes must pass situation.
Speaker 2: But once the play was going, it was less than
Speaker 2: three sacks allowed by Lamy Tunsil. It's like, you can't
Speaker 2: take that away, but the Texans have. They have sent
Speaker 2: it away to the benefit of Jayden Daniels and now
Speaker 2: they've got the one problem to fix. But then they've
Speaker 2: given themselves another one to do it.
Speaker 1: I think it can be a good trade for both sides. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Washington has to be excited for the next couple of
Speaker 1: years with Tunsil. A second and a third are significant
Speaker 1: in a league where guys just aren't going for raft picks,
Speaker 1: teams are so low to give up those draft picks.
Speaker 1: A second and a third is a real thing, and
Speaker 1: the Texans have been had a lot of extra draft picks.
Speaker 1: And when these trades happen, it's really all about the contract,
Speaker 1: and it's strategic. And I think the Texans were at
Speaker 1: a point where they knew after this year they would
Speaker 1: have had to address Laramie Tunzel. They were not going
Speaker 1: to address Laramie Tunzel. They have to pay Will Anderson,
Speaker 1: they have to pay c. J. Stroud, they have other priorities,
Speaker 1: and for whatever reason, let's get some draft picks for
Speaker 1: him now. And then I flashed back to this Texans
Speaker 1: Jets Sunday night recap I did with with Seth Pain
Speaker 1: and there were some low moments in the Texans season,
Speaker 1: and he knows ball. Former ballplayer would absolutely say what
Speaker 1: you're saying about Tunsel.
Speaker 3: In the passing game, it was dry the tackles.
Speaker 1: He didn't say it by name, but he said the
Speaker 1: tackles on this Texans team and what they're doing in
Speaker 1: the run game, we're driving him crazy, like miss and
Speaker 1: that could have been coaching. That's where it's a little
Speaker 1: where he's miss assignments, effort just getting blown up, and
Speaker 1: Tunsel was part of that. So that just stuck in
Speaker 1: my mind is maybe that's part of it. I don't
Speaker 1: think it was a leadership thing. Everyone says he was
Speaker 1: very well respected in the locker room, and sometimes it
Speaker 1: could make sense for both sides. I do think strategically,
Speaker 1: let's give it some time with the Texans. Let's see
Speaker 1: what happens. They did get a couple picks. I want
Speaker 1: to stay on board with this Texans crew because I
Speaker 1: think they've been pretty well run. So I'm going to
Speaker 1: give them a little benefit of the doubt while we're here.
Speaker 1: Let's just mention the other Texans thing. They have this
Speaker 1: thing where they just go hog wild on like the
Speaker 1: lowest tier of free agencies, but they do it. On
Speaker 1: day one, they signed Derek Barnett, Braxton Barrios, Sheldon Rankins,
Speaker 1: treymont Smith, Darryl Taylor and Justin Watson. If you don't
Speaker 1: know what positions those guys play like, you're you probably
Speaker 1: not alone. Barnett, Rankins on the defensive line, Darryl Taylor too,
Speaker 1: Barrios and Watson like fourth, fifth receiver types, special teams guys.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: This is just Casario's move and he's going to do it.
Speaker 1: I just thought I would mention that they were the
Speaker 1: only team doing anything like that on Monday. I also
Speaker 1: will mention the Commanders, since we're here, one of the
Speaker 1: most surprising contracts of the entire day. I would actually
Speaker 1: pick it as the most surprising, and you can give
Speaker 1: me your answer by the end of the show.
Speaker 3: What's your most surprising con.
Speaker 1: I would give it to Javon Kinlaw getting a massive
Speaker 1: deal from the Commanders. I just I didn't see it coming.
Speaker 1: Thirty million dollars guaranteed. Again, like when people are getting
Speaker 1: on Justin Fields for getting that much money. Javon Kimla
Speaker 1: got more overall over three years, he got paid like
Speaker 1: a total of I think seven million of it like
Speaker 1: last year from the Jets, and I didn't think they
Speaker 1: were that happy with him, So I don't know that
Speaker 1: was just surprising them. Yeah, I didn't see that coming.
Speaker 2: My media thought it was kind of the same that
Speaker 2: Bill Barberwle had over on Blue Guar was well, why
Speaker 2: not Jonathan Allen for a year instead of Javon Kinlaw.
Speaker 2: But it's and the Commanders and Adam Peters did get
Speaker 2: the Laramie Tunsel trade done, because at at one point
Speaker 2: I was like, are we gonna announce lev Az Stadium
Speaker 2: coming over to the RFK?
Speaker 1: Right, Kimla former forty nine or last year was with
Speaker 1: the Jets, but Peters was with him in San Francisco, and.
Speaker 2: So like, you wonder, like how much the relationships play
Speaker 2: into that or if it was just purely the evaluation
Speaker 2: they felt like he was being misused over the past
Speaker 2: couple of years in spots elsewhere. But yeah, kind of
Speaker 2: a surprise what the connection makes.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna pretend I was breaking down all the
Speaker 1: kin Law film. Jets fans didn't seem overly happy with
Speaker 1: him or reporters, and he didn't pop at all, So
Speaker 1: that just surprised me. Didn't expect him to be so
Speaker 1: early in the show. But we got the Commanders in
Speaker 1: with Tunsel, so we got that, and let's talk about
Speaker 1: what the Patriots did.
Speaker 3: Everyone thought the Patriots, they're just.
Speaker 1: Gonna go crazy in free agency, and then they can't
Speaker 1: get Ronnie Stanley and they can't do get Chris Godwin done.
Speaker 1: And I saw a tweet from a Patriots reporter and
Speaker 1: they said, look, you know, and I made a bad
Speaker 1: tweet too. I was like, the Patriots can't give away
Speaker 1: their money right now. But but I saw another tree
Speaker 1: from the Patriots looking like, man, you wonder who the
Speaker 1: Patriots are going to get because they're really swinging and
Speaker 1: missing on this first wave of free agency. And it
Speaker 1: was ten thirty am on the West coast. Free agency
Speaker 1: started at nine a m. Guess what a few hours
Speaker 1: later they had spent a lot of that money. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, Milton Williams the number one guy on my board.
Speaker 1: After the tags got applied to t Higgins and Tray
Speaker 1: Smith of the Chiefs. There four years, one hundred and
Speaker 1: four million dollars for Milton Williams, an emerging defensive tackle
Speaker 1: who played the best football of his life by far
Speaker 1: late last season, especially in the playoffs, especially in the
Speaker 1: NFC Championship game. In the Super Bowl, Carlton Davis goes
Speaker 1: at the top of the cornerback market three years, fifty
Speaker 1: four million, about thirty six million dollars guaranteed. Robert Splaine,
Speaker 1: who had a nice little come up under Antonio Pierce
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, like Carlton Davis, almost thirty
Speaker 1: years old, linebacker, playmaker, he signs with the Patriots.
Speaker 3: Morgan Moses, the.
Speaker 1: Tackle who's just kind of bounced around, is almost like
Speaker 1: a replacement level, like you're not going to get too excited,
Speaker 1: but he plays pretty well.
Speaker 3: Morgan Moses.
Speaker 1: I put him on them on the Patriots, by the way,
Speaker 1: on that forties in free Agent show where we're trying
Speaker 1: to build what they're going to do in free agency.
Speaker 3: So got that one right.
Speaker 1: They also added Josh Dobbs, by the way, Josh Dobbs
Speaker 1: is going to be in the mix there with Joe
Speaker 1: Milton as the backup. And Mac Collins is a New
Speaker 1: England Patriot. Two years, eight million dollars for Mac Collins. Wow,
Speaker 1: that was a lot by the Patriots in day one.
Speaker 1: Is it? Is it going to be looked back on
Speaker 1: like that last Belichick spending spree. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you remember that year when it was John hus Smith
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry, but there was a couple more and they
Speaker 1: then mostly didn't go well.
Speaker 2: No, it's a different regime. It's a new era for
Speaker 2: the Patriots. Although when Carlton Davis came out and said,
Speaker 2: you know, no discounts of trying to get money, I
Speaker 2: did think, like always going to New England, like that
Speaker 2: was the first thing. If all Carlton Tavis said that,
Speaker 2: and then if someone were to just watch as postseason,
Speaker 2: they would think that Milton is the best player in
Speaker 2: the world and so like that that money is deserved
Speaker 2: and owed. It's gonna be interested to see when the
Speaker 2: snap counts go up what the production is going to
Speaker 2: be like for Milton Williams because it's difficult to project that.
Speaker 2: But this team needs talent. You know, they're they're not done.
Speaker 2: And I'll say, like if you miss out on Ronnie
Speaker 2: Stanley and Chris Godwin like two career one year, I
Speaker 2: mean one team guys Like I don't know, like if
Speaker 2: you set your sights to to those type of players
Speaker 2: where they're ultimately going to go back regardless, like you're
Speaker 2: gonna miss out sometimes and these other guys were realistically leaving.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it raises the floor some of these
Speaker 1: moves are gonna go terrible. That's just how it goes
Speaker 1: when you spend a lot of not Matt, I think
Speaker 1: it's one of the reasons why the Eagles have been
Speaker 1: so good is they spend to the cap every year
Speaker 1: and it allows them to make mistakes like a Bryce
Speaker 1: Huff or a Jahan Dotson for more of the year.
Speaker 1: The dots and showed up at the end in that
Speaker 1: trade because they take about ten swings and if you
Speaker 1: go seven for ten or you go, you know, five
Speaker 1: for eight, six for eight, like, you're still adding five
Speaker 1: or six good players. And that's why you spend to
Speaker 1: the cap, and the Patriots did need to spend. I
Speaker 1: think it's tough that you're getting a lot older. I
Speaker 1: add Harold Landry was my least favorite of all these,
Speaker 1: and that was on yesterday's show. You Know Splain Davis
Speaker 1: Morgan Moses, Harold Landry. I think it's safe to say
Speaker 1: those guys are probably have their best days behind them,
Speaker 1: Like they're all twenty nine to thirty or older. Landry's
Speaker 1: not quite there, and so you're not getting guys in
Speaker 1: the middle of their prime. Milton Williams is more of
Speaker 1: a free agent that I think is worth the gamble
Speaker 1: even though it's a lot of money. Although we haven't
Speaker 1: seen the guaranteed money. That's usually a sign that it's
Speaker 1: a little less than you expect. We haven't seen the
Speaker 1: structure there. He got four for one oh four. Is
Speaker 1: it really like a two year deal wouldn't be surprising
Speaker 1: And he's a risk, I get it. Mike Tanier had
Speaker 1: a great stat which you know, he had a career
Speaker 1: high at seventeen pressures in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3: At the time.
Speaker 1: In the first half of the twenty twenty four season,
Speaker 1: sixteen pressure is pretty good. The final six weeks of
Speaker 1: the regular season seventeen, Oh wow, we're getting crazy. In
Speaker 1: the playoffs he got fourteen like even crazier. So he
Speaker 1: was the anti Sam Bradford. He made a lot of
Speaker 1: money late. I still think he would have made a
Speaker 1: good amount of money because people who know ball watch
Speaker 1: him and he's got a lot of potential. Is it
Speaker 1: going to change what they do at number four? You
Speaker 1: don't go for Mason Graham? Maybe not, but I think
Speaker 1: he's a guy worth taking and ultimately, even though I
Speaker 1: think it's only like pushing them to be closer to mediocre,
Speaker 1: I do think you got to spend that money.
Speaker 3: That's what the cap space is for.
Speaker 2: That's what it's for, and that's why the idea that
Speaker 2: they shouldn't rite the idea that you got to keep
Speaker 2: cap space and try to carry it. Now, that's why
Speaker 2: I always try to make the case for a draft abolition,
Speaker 2: because the team should be trying, should be trying to win.
Speaker 2: We don't want to incentivize people to root for losing.
Speaker 2: So go out there, spin to the cap, do cap shit,
Speaker 2: cannery like the Saints, like if you if you mess up,
Speaker 2: who cares.
Speaker 1: They're just trying to get professional. I think in a
Speaker 1: perfect world, you know they are like the Commanders, They're
Speaker 1: not going to have that success. But I think the Commanders,
Speaker 1: who signed about twenty free agents last year, hit on
Speaker 1: seven or eight of them, and they were just veterans
Speaker 1: who could play football at the professional level. I think
Speaker 1: the Patriots are playing a little bit more of a
Speaker 1: tax here in free agency. They're hoping Carlton Davis is
Speaker 1: a difference maker. I had Carlton Davis in my top
Speaker 1: twelve free agents because I think if he's healthy, he
Speaker 1: can play. And you know who else agrees, like the
Speaker 1: Detroit Lions. They outbid Carlton Davis. Supposedly, the Lions extended
Speaker 1: pretty far to get Carlton Davis, and they had a
Speaker 1: line they were not going to go over, and the
Speaker 1: Patriots just topped them from whatever it was going to be,
Speaker 1: maybe a couple million dollars per year, maybe it was
Speaker 1: five million dollars. Guaranteed. They're getting older, but they're getting spicier.
Speaker 1: You know, they're trying. Let's take a quick break here
Speaker 1: on this show of NFL Daily. We have a lot
Speaker 1: of signings to go. Eric is looking at me and
Speaker 1: he's wondering, like, is this show gonna be ninety eight minutes?
Speaker 3: No, Eric, it's not. Back on NFL Daily.
Speaker 1: Chris Godwin reportedly left twenty million dollars on the table.
Speaker 1: We're not leaving any money on the table, Patrick, We're
Speaker 1: going after it.
Speaker 2: I'd just like to see it. I know that Chris
Speaker 2: Godwin is a very good football player and deserves everything.
Speaker 2: That the number in the sixty six range. So does
Speaker 2: that mean the number was in the eighty six range?
Speaker 1: I mean maybe it was. This is how I look
Speaker 1: at stuff like that. Maybe the Patriots offered four for
Speaker 1: eighty six or something. You know what I mean, Instead
Speaker 1: of three six, it was a longer deal.
Speaker 2: Fourth year that was never gonna happen in any real.
Speaker 1: Lif or maybe or maybe it was three for eighty six,
Speaker 1: but that third year is unlikely. The thing that I
Speaker 1: love is that Chris Godwin got paid forty four million
Speaker 1: dollars guaranteed. So the Patriots probably helped push that number up,
Speaker 1: and they weren't the only team. The Jaguars were in
Speaker 1: on Chris Godwin as well. It's probably a two year,
Speaker 1: forty four million dollar deal for Chris Godwin essentially. But
Speaker 1: what I love and Jason Light to me is just
Speaker 1: one of the best general managers in the game for
Speaker 1: many reasons.
Speaker 2: There's another note for you, Jason, he said, one of
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 1: Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, and Levonte David have played a
Speaker 1: combined thirty two years on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. How
Speaker 1: cool is that it's an entertainment product? Patrick, These are
Speaker 1: great Buccaneers, great players, and they found a way to
Speaker 1: keep them. And I think they run their organization in
Speaker 1: such a way that these players want to stay and
Speaker 1: maybe you know, and they are passing up somebody, So like,
Speaker 1: kudos to everyone I like it.
Speaker 3: That's that's my big take.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you shouldn't have to like hold somebody hostage and
Speaker 2: deny trade requests and ultimately overpay to keep them. If
Speaker 2: you're a fan of a player and a team and
Speaker 2: you've got that, like, you should want to see those
Speaker 2: guys stick around. You don't want to be a Titans
Speaker 2: fan watching aj hoist Lombardi in an Eagles jersey or
Speaker 2: see Derek Henry running down right himself. Like, if you've
Speaker 2: got good players, you acquire the talent and then you
Speaker 2: utilize that talent and shout out to Jason light and
Speaker 2: the Bucks were doing.
Speaker 1: He comes from the Patriots, and yet I don't think
Speaker 1: he has that. You know, everyone has a certain value
Speaker 1: and cut throw and cut him a year before you
Speaker 1: know it's too late, and.
Speaker 3: Like it's worked out. Mike Evans is still Mike Evans.
Speaker 1: I think Chris Godwin, everyone's gonna see that, and I
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a contract.
Speaker 3: The age is fine this year.
Speaker 1: Maybe is not gonna be Pete Godwin coming off that
Speaker 1: injury early in the season, but he'll get there.
Speaker 3: And even Leavonte David.
Speaker 1: You just respect the guys that have helped you along
Speaker 1: the way, and I think the respect goes both ways.
Speaker 1: And I think that Buccaneers team not just well run,
Speaker 1: but I think they got a lot of potential this year.
Speaker 1: They also got a Sun Reddick, interesting deal. They don't
Speaker 1: like to spend a lot of long term money, but
Speaker 1: give a son Reddick a shot one for twelve.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of people forgot that a Son
Speaker 2: Reddick eventually did come back and start playing football for
Speaker 2: the Jets last season. He probably essentially paid six million
Speaker 2: dollars to not pay to not play for the Jets
Speaker 2: for the first bit, but finishmen ultimately played ten games.
Speaker 2: A lot of guys that didn't play ten games last year.
Speaker 3: It was a huge need for the Bucks.
Speaker 1: Their edge rushers have been below average the last couple
Speaker 1: of years. And again, this is the best use of
Speaker 1: cap space. I think these veterans give him a shot.
Speaker 1: Did not look great with the Jets. It was a
Speaker 1: lost season. And yet if you think about a year ago,
Speaker 1: if he was on my free agency list coming off
Speaker 1: where he was in Philadelphia, he would have been in
Speaker 1: the top five. Like he was a better player than
Speaker 1: Josh Sweat on the same team of Josh sweat and
Speaker 1: Josh Swett is signing for exponentially more money, and it
Speaker 1: makes sense. Jeff Swet's a good signing, but I just
Speaker 1: think this could end up being a nice value and
Speaker 1: if it doesn't work out, it was a chance worth taking.
Speaker 1: The Bears continued their offensive line makeover and then they
Speaker 1: got involved with the defensive line as well. So after
Speaker 1: picking up two guards over the last week, they sign
Speaker 1: a center, Drew Dolman, my number one center on the market,
Speaker 1: three years, forty two million dollars twenty eight million dollars guaranteed.
Speaker 1: While we're here, let's talk Deo Odengbo from the Colts,
Speaker 1: who we mentioned on this podcast. Tom Peli Sarah mentioned
Speaker 1: was going to be a guy that maybe got paid
Speaker 1: a little more than people expected. Top forty on my list,
Speaker 1: thirty two million dollars guaranteed for him, three for forty eight.
Speaker 1: And then Grady Jarrett, who in the span of the
Speaker 1: what is it twenty one hours since we taped NFL
Speaker 1: Daily got cut and signed three years, forty three million,
Speaker 1: twenty eight point five million dollars fully guaranteed. Just some
Speaker 1: context for Jarrett, I think when something happens that late
Speaker 1: him getting cut Monday morning and then signing a few
Speaker 1: hours later. My guess is they were trying to trade
Speaker 1: him to the Bears, and it was a bit of
Speaker 1: a stare off and the Bear they knew the Bears
Speaker 1: were interested, and the Bears are like, now we're just
Speaker 1: gonna We're just gonna wait for you to cut them. Bro,
Speaker 1: we've got a deal all worked out.
Speaker 3: That's just my guess. I have zero information, but I
Speaker 3: think that's probably what happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good vibes based yess on how this transpires,
Speaker 2: where you know, sometimes these.
Speaker 1: It was like three hours later he got cut and
Speaker 1: then he had this deal done three hours later.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where you know, everybody's having conversations and it is
Speaker 2: a you know, a negotiating window. But sometimes things happen
Speaker 2: a little too quick to have not been previously discussed.
Speaker 1: What do you think about I mean, the Bears, they
Speaker 1: weren't kidding when Ryan Pols was on this show, said
Speaker 1: we're going to be aggressive attacking free agency and fixing
Speaker 1: that offensive line. Jonah Jackson via trade, Joe Tene Toney
Speaker 1: via trade, Drew Dolman on in free agency, and they
Speaker 1: suddenly have an offensive line they could still be looking
Speaker 1: at tackle in the draft, but they have Bracton Jones
Speaker 1: Darnel right at left and right tackle, and man, they
Speaker 1: went after it. And then I'm surprised Jarrett got that
Speaker 1: much money, I really am, because he was coming off
Speaker 1: a serious injury last year. The Falcons, obviously, I think,
Speaker 1: would want to keep Grady Jarrett. He's a lifetime Falcon
Speaker 1: and they didn't believe in him, but the Bears did,
Speaker 1: and he'll fit next to Girvan Dexter. Those are kind
Speaker 1: of different types of players. I think Jarret at this
Speaker 1: point in the career, maybe they're viewing him as more
Speaker 1: of like he's going to be the run stopper. He's
Speaker 1: not going to be the upfield penetrator quite as much.
Speaker 1: And next to Dexter, we'll see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the skill set remains there with Grady Jarrett, perhaps
Speaker 2: in spots. Maybe the number of snaps isn't necessarily what
Speaker 2: it was during his prime in Atlanta. But the Bears
Speaker 2: in terms of addressing needs, because doing it in the
Speaker 2: draft is so difficult because you can't like need is
Speaker 2: a very bad talent evaluator because you wait around, you
Speaker 2: don't know if the guy that you wanted a certain
Speaker 2: spot is going to ultimately be there. They're still dealing
Speaker 2: with the impacts of trades as well draft wise, So
Speaker 2: go ahead and fill these needs right now and take
Speaker 2: the best player available and on the interior offensive line
Speaker 2: able to move, guy's getting a center as well. How
Speaker 2: do you not grate it positively?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dolman is a guy who I think you're more
Speaker 1: excited about in the running game than the passing game.
Speaker 1: And I think that's going to be a focus for
Speaker 1: Ben Jonson, is establishing this running game. Because to me,
Speaker 1: that's why you give Drew Dolman the money that he got.
Speaker 3: What is it?
Speaker 1: It actually was fairly reasonable in this market and offensive
Speaker 1: lineman twenty eight million dollars guaranteed to start. That actually
Speaker 1: shows me his market wasn't as crazy as I expected.
Speaker 1: It's basically a two for twenty eight type of deal,
Speaker 1: and that's fine to get a starter. And when I
Speaker 1: spoke about Jarrett, I, look, there's been a lot going
Speaker 1: on today. I meant to say, you think of Jerry
Speaker 1: at this point of his career, Garon Dexter is going
Speaker 1: to be that run stopper there. Jared's going to be
Speaker 1: next to him, just kind of trying to upfield get
Speaker 1: the penetration special. Yeah, rush type of guy, and so
Speaker 1: he could maybe look better with a guy like Dexter
Speaker 1: and next to him. So I'm correcting myself there. The
Speaker 1: Panthers were looking to spend a lot of money. They
Speaker 1: reported Lee were in on Milton Williams to the point
Speaker 1: where the Athletic reported that it was it was a
Speaker 1: done deal that they agreed to terms and then the
Speaker 1: Patriots ended up coming over the top, or maybe that
Speaker 1: just never was the case and getting Milton Williams, but
Speaker 1: they did spend a lot of money On Monday, Travon Morig,
Speaker 1: who we talked a lot about over the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks, a safety from the Raiders gets fifty one
Speaker 1: million dollars over three years. I know there were a
Speaker 1: number of teams in on him.
Speaker 2: J C.
Speaker 1: Horn before free agency even started, got a hundred million dollars,
Speaker 1: a ton of guarantees. We said it in our NFC
Speaker 1: South preview that he was really the one young player
Speaker 1: on their roster worth investing in long term, and so
Speaker 1: they got that done before free agency even started. Hasn't
Speaker 1: played a lot of games, so a little bit of
Speaker 1: a risk, but an outstanding young player. And then they
Speaker 1: signed bob be Brown three for twenty one, the former
Speaker 1: Rams player. I was surprising to me. Definitely a rotational guy,
Speaker 1: Pat Jones from Minnesota. So it's a lot of just
Speaker 1: beef up front. There's some conflicting reports maybe on Turshaun
Speaker 1: Wharton from the Chiefs, whether he's going to join the
Speaker 1: Panthers or not. So we will see on that one.
Speaker 1: But what do you think about the Panthers spending spree?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes sense considering what was available. I'm the
Speaker 2: number on JC Horn Like, I'm gonna need to see
Speaker 2: some details. I know. The discussion right was that it's
Speaker 2: one of the highest paid deals for defensive back in
Speaker 2: NFL history. I just citation perhaps needed on that. I
Speaker 2: do like bringing Tommy Trumble back, Like you get Tommy
Speaker 2: Trumble for two years, ten and a half minute.
Speaker 3: That's another one too. Yeah, it feels like a.
Speaker 2: Solid value add and yeah, we'll get Bobby Brown some
Speaker 2: more playing time to see where things go. But if
Speaker 2: you're looking for like the it, yeah for Carolina, I
Speaker 2: have not seen it yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was, it's all the highest paid defensive back
Speaker 1: in history. That doesn't seem totally accurate. We need to
Speaker 1: see the things, but that that's how the agency is
Speaker 1: probably spinning it. We'll see I like I like Tron
Speaker 1: morg We'll see on the Triffshawn Wharton deal. That would
Speaker 1: be a fun combination. But I don't want to get
Speaker 1: ahead of ahead of myself here.
Speaker 2: It is got Mike Jackson back.
Speaker 3: Mike Jackson is.
Speaker 1: Another one like just so many deals two for fourteen
Speaker 1: for for Mike Jackson, who played pretty well at cornerback
Speaker 1: for them. It is really funny being in this blue sky,
Speaker 1: a little bit of Twitter environment.
Speaker 3: But in the news and all this and.
Speaker 1: Things get reported, you really have to know which insiders
Speaker 1: you want to trust.
Speaker 3: There's some there's some reports that are.
Speaker 1: Coming out there and they're just on an island of
Speaker 1: insider island, and that's not a good place to be
Speaker 1: if they're on the inside or island. Don't join them.
Speaker 1: Wait wait for the guys in Gouxy trust.
Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Team rap Sheet, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Don't don't come like I know, don't talk to me
Speaker 2: in Starbucks.
Speaker 3: That's right, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Like, you better try to leave what he came with.
Speaker 1: You know, look, what was the insiders were given over
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks was that the Chargers were
Speaker 1: going to be really aggressive trying to keep Khalil Mack
Speaker 1: and that he would have a strong market.
Speaker 3: That turned out to be absolutely true. He got eighteen
Speaker 3: million dollars.
Speaker 1: I find it interesting that they hard chose Khalil Mack
Speaker 1: over Joey Bosa. They essentially are eating some of Joey
Speaker 1: Bosa's contract and they're paying partly to get rid of them,
Speaker 1: to pay more money to Khalil Mack, who's older. Shout
Speaker 1: out to Khalil Mack for just the longevity of an
Speaker 1: outstanding career, and the Chargers who know him best saying
Speaker 1: we want that guy.
Speaker 3: We do not want to lose that guy.
Speaker 2: I kind of wondered if if Khalil Mack was considering
Speaker 2: the need in Chicago at Edge, would would be open
Speaker 2: to going back to Chicago. Yeah, a certain point, but.
Speaker 1: They got like the opposite type of player. I'm glad
Speaker 1: you mentioned that though, because a Dingbo is just like
Speaker 1: not a run stepper stopper at all, but is pure
Speaker 1: pass rush. You're like whirling fury and is a nice
Speaker 1: little compliment to Monte Sweat.
Speaker 2: But yeah, even considering Khalil Mack's age, he would be
Speaker 2: able to set edges in this league into his into
Speaker 2: his forties, well into his force.
Speaker 1: Play him like a little less because the last couple
Speaker 1: of seasons there's been a trend where the first twelve
Speaker 1: weeks of the season he's one of the best defensive
Speaker 1: ends in the in the league. And it just just
Speaker 1: you're asking a lot from the Charges. By the way,
Speaker 1: we'll see if it happens by the time you guys
Speaker 1: listen to this or by the time we take another
Speaker 1: show supposedly in on Nase Harris.
Speaker 3: We'll see.
Speaker 1: But they haven't closed the deal yet. They brought back
Speaker 1: tier Tart a good deal for them. They're just five
Speaker 1: million dollars who played well for them, and Dante Jackson,
Speaker 1: who's moved around at the bottom of the cornerback market
Speaker 1: two for thirteen.
Speaker 3: Smart move.
Speaker 1: If you're Dante Jackson's agent, I have a feeling this
Speaker 1: Jesse Mint or Jim harbad defense. It's like you put
Speaker 1: him in on the Chargers and suddenly they have a
Speaker 1: lot more value. I think they made a a bunch
Speaker 1: of free agents, including poona Ford a lot of money
Speaker 1: this year, not that Puna doesn't deserve it.
Speaker 3: We might as well go there, Poona. Ford got three
Speaker 3: for thirty.
Speaker 1: But from the Rams they also brought back Jimmy Garoppolo,
Speaker 1: another weirdly reported contract. Ultimately, it's only like a four
Speaker 1: or five million dollar deal with a ton of incentives
Speaker 1: in at nine million dollars that probably, you know, helps
Speaker 1: Jimmy G out if for some reason he has to
Speaker 1: start a long time and play as well if Matthew
Speaker 1: Stafford gets hurt, but Jimmy G back is the backup and.
Speaker 2: Good get Davante in first and then sign.
Speaker 3: It is really funny.
Speaker 1: I didn't watch Receiver in the end, but I watched
Speaker 1: the social clips where DeVante just indirectly Jimmy Garoppolo and
Speaker 1: now they're back together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, reunited. Sean McVay is the Healer of relations.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Spencer Hall and he had this skit
Speaker 1: we go and tweet on Blue Sky whatever whatever. It was,
Speaker 1: just saying just talking about Jimmy G. You know what
Speaker 1: he could do, you know to really any human. It's
Speaker 1: the magic hour. He's on Sunset Boulevard. Just Jimmy G.
Speaker 2: Shout out to the dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and poon A Ford love poon A Ford. This
Speaker 1: is where I'm talking about the charge three years thirty million.
Speaker 1: He was freely available for any team to sign in
Speaker 1: the two previous seasons. Do you want to guess how
Speaker 1: much he made combined in the last two seasons when
Speaker 1: he was on my free agency list, by.
Speaker 2: The way, like seven million dollars.
Speaker 1: Less less than five million dollars. And now he goes
Speaker 1: three for thirty and yet the way he played last year,
Speaker 1: I think every team is kind of looking for those
Speaker 1: run stoppers up front, so you can go a little lighter.
Speaker 1: I know the Rams will like to do that. They
Speaker 1: have these great pass rushers. Now you can put this
Speaker 1: great pen, you know, just this force in the middle
Speaker 1: around all those young guys. Like that move for the Rams.
Speaker 1: I mentioned the Lions being in on Carlton Davis. Ultimately
Speaker 1: they settle for DJ Reid. I think they had a price,
Speaker 1: and maybe this was it. Three for forty eight for
Speaker 1: DJ Reid thirty two million dollars guaranteed really not much
Speaker 1: less than Carlton Davis just about three million dollars guaranteed
Speaker 1: less six million dollars over in the over all deal.
Speaker 1: Two guys I had right next to each other on
Speaker 1: my top one one. Apparently the Lions are thinking the same.
Speaker 1: We're just two two ball knowers, me and the Lions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right right there, Brad Holmes, Greg Rosenthal's it just
Speaker 2: makes sense.
Speaker 3: Jets cornerback DJ Reid, I should mention.
Speaker 1: I do want to, you know understand that, Like DJ
Speaker 1: Read's not a household name, He's a guy who arrived
Speaker 1: from Seattle. One of the best free agent contracts I
Speaker 1: would say of the last five years on the defensive
Speaker 1: side was DJ Reid to the Jets. Fantastic production. You
Speaker 1: do worry about You want to get him on that
Speaker 1: second contract that was a little cheaper actually than necessarily
Speaker 1: the third contract. As a cornerback gets old, the same
Speaker 1: thing with Carlton Davis. He's getting older too, We'll see.
Speaker 1: But DJ Reid was outstanding last year. Like you play
Speaker 1: across from Sauce Gardner and you.
Speaker 2: Haven't give a lot of action over there.
Speaker 3: Literally, he was.
Speaker 1: Targeted more than any cornerback in the league, and all
Speaker 1: the numbers say he held up about as well as
Speaker 1: any cornerback in the league.
Speaker 3: So I like that move with the Lions.
Speaker 1: Let's go to the offensive lineman got paid segment checks
Speaker 1: of the show The Titans. They give Dan Moore, the
Speaker 1: former Steelers left tackle, fifty million dollars guaranteed on an
Speaker 1: eighty two million dollar four year deal. This was that
Speaker 1: first contract of free agency early where everyone just started,
Speaker 1: you know, making jokes.
Speaker 3: Are you going to make jokes?
Speaker 2: I'm not necessarily going to make jokes. I'm glad Dan's
Speaker 2: going to get an opportunity to be to be compensated
Speaker 2: and play for a team that potentially is going to take,
Speaker 2: you know, their quarterback of the future number one overall.
Speaker 2: Perhaps this means that they're not done that Maybe.
Speaker 1: I mean they're done at left tackle. I would think
Speaker 1: they just gave them fifty million dollars guaranteed.
Speaker 2: You know, there's there's options, right, it can be moved
Speaker 2: on to the other side, you can get another guy.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm trying not to be derogatory, but
Speaker 2: it's it's tough considering the production in the last.
Speaker 1: Year's He's a guy who's the Steelers were always looking
Speaker 1: to replace but couldn't find someone better to replace. So
Speaker 1: even though it's a lot of money, I actually put
Speaker 1: this in the same bucket as some of those Patriots signings,
Speaker 1: like he can play tackle, Like he's just a lot
Speaker 1: more money than Morgan Moses, but he's a lot younger,
Speaker 1: so it's more like four years of a Morgan Moses
Speaker 1: level of just replacement level starter. And they do have
Speaker 1: Brian Callahan's dad running the show here, and so you're
Speaker 1: paying a premium to settle with a guy that's probably
Speaker 1: closer to average.
Speaker 3: But you have more.
Speaker 1: You have JC Latham, who I think they wanted to
Speaker 1: move back to right tackle, so now he probably moves
Speaker 1: over there. He was a top ten pick. You have
Speaker 1: Scronsky who they drafted high. You have Lloyd Kushenberry. Suddenly
Speaker 1: your offensive line is looking okay, you have an offensive
Speaker 1: line coach. And I think it's just they got to
Speaker 1: spend that cap space too. They almost have too much
Speaker 1: space and can't find so it's just filling a spot.
Speaker 1: It's just like a little too much money.
Speaker 3: But I don't know.
Speaker 1: He clearly had a market. Yeah, it doesn't go there
Speaker 1: in a vacuum. Other teams were willing to pay him.
Speaker 1: It's telling that the Steelers were not one of those teams.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you just have to evaluate it with the
Speaker 2: the cap going up, and considering that there's a premium
Speaker 2: to pay to not have to be overly concerned with
Speaker 2: a need at that position at this point in the offseason,
Speaker 2: and you can have somebody over there that's played a
Speaker 2: lot of football. You know, maybe the offensive situation in
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh wasn't necessarily that great, and we didn't get the tape,
Speaker 2: but the Callahans know, and they can evaluate talent up
Speaker 2: front and they know something the rest of us.
Speaker 3: Store, or they can coach it up. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it's a positive and now feel bad Titans
Speaker 1: fans are upset when I made a joke about it.
Speaker 1: I want to update you on something that's breaking as
Speaker 1: we tape this. Oh, Naja Harris is joining the Chargers
Speaker 1: on a one year deal. Sources tell the insiders. How
Speaker 1: about the partnership here between the insiders. They're not even
Speaker 1: looking for credit.
Speaker 3: It's a one year deal, Naja Harris. We'll see.
Speaker 1: We heard it was going to be ahead of free
Speaker 1: agency about you know, six to eight million, but they
Speaker 1: don't have any money attached to it at least right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and an opportunity perhaps to see nase in an
Speaker 2: offense with a you know, a fully functional and supported
Speaker 2: quarterback where the needs are almost elsewhere at this point,
Speaker 2: and in the offensive needs considering the way that lad
Speaker 2: had a great rookie season. You're able to see guys
Speaker 2: like Josh Palmer walk and they're able to fill needs
Speaker 2: in other spots. So it's an exciting opportunity for the
Speaker 2: Chargers and for Nase.
Speaker 1: I'm told he's getting nine point twenty five million. I
Speaker 1: want to see the all the deals on that up
Speaker 1: to nine two point twenty five million. So the up
Speaker 1: to is often doing a lot of work. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: guess seven in like two and a half, that's been generous,
Speaker 1: six to seven and you know.
Speaker 2: Some incentives, some incentives five base.
Speaker 1: But as the president of the Nase Harris Fan Club,
Speaker 1: you gotta be thrilled because I think that's a great
Speaker 1: spot for a running back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a it's a good spot with a
Speaker 2: quarterback who's yeah, again, fully supported. I would you know,
Speaker 2: my qualms with the Greg Roman offense are passionately stated,
Speaker 2: but the one thing that's going to do is put
Speaker 2: Nause in a position to get the ball moving downhill
Speaker 2: and play the way that he needs to play. And
Speaker 2: so it's a chance for an offensive player to be
Speaker 2: liberated from his you know, previous regime.
Speaker 1: You know what Herbert is great at. What's that mix
Speaker 1: and tempo? Playing fast? If he wants to, we got
Speaker 1: to challenge ourselves to do that the rest of the show,
Speaker 1: because yes, there's more transactions on this show than literally
Speaker 1: any other. And so I don't mind if it's a
Speaker 1: little long, but it is time.
Speaker 2: We'll get you your time back.
Speaker 1: We're gonna We're gonna go. Aaron Banks four years, seventy
Speaker 1: seven million dollars. He's a guard who played the last
Speaker 1: handful of seasons his entire rookie contract for the forty
Speaker 1: nine Ers as a starter was a late round pick.
Speaker 1: I admit I ranked him too low in my top
Speaker 1: one oh one. He ended up at ninety eight. I'm
Speaker 1: glad I got him in there. He got massive money.
Speaker 1: The Packers also gave Nate Hobbs, who was on our
Speaker 1: friend Ali Connolly's list the free agents he would like
Speaker 1: to sign.
Speaker 3: And I like that pick too. I thought I had
Speaker 3: him rated quite high on my list.
Speaker 1: Four years, forty eight million dollars in the abs slot
Speaker 1: cornerback for the Packers was with the Raiders previously. But yeah, man,
Speaker 1: like if you I don't know if your son Malcolm
Speaker 1: is going to be built to play football or not,
Speaker 1: but just just keep feeding them, get him to play guard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're just like a halfway decent guard, you're going
Speaker 1: to get twenty million dollars a year.
Speaker 2: Well, the issue is a lot of these guards were tackles,
Speaker 2: and you know that's a part of the evaluation as well,
Speaker 2: So you still have to be able to get that evaluation.
Speaker 2: But it's We talked about the departure from Santa Clara
Speaker 2: earlier today on The Insiders, like it's real.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about it while we're here. Just Banks,
Speaker 1: Aaron Banks, who was their starting guard. I don't think
Speaker 1: they were extending to sign him. Diebo got traded last week.
Speaker 1: Of course, taloneou Funga we haven't mentioned, but he's going
Speaker 1: to the Broncos. So is Drake green Law. We'll talk
Speaker 1: about them in a second. Elijah Mitchell is gone, Charvarius
Speaker 1: Ward is gone. Jalen Moore, their left tackle in waiting
Speaker 1: behind Trent Williams is now the left tackle of the Chiefs.
Speaker 3: That is a lot going out the window.
Speaker 1: What is happening with the San Francisco this offseason, got
Speaker 1: a free up space for double Bosa. They are resetting.
Speaker 1: They are resetting now. I don't think they're going to
Speaker 1: try to compete, but they are resetting. They are not
Speaker 1: paying some of the guys that you would expect them
Speaker 1: to pay.
Speaker 3: We'll see.
Speaker 1: On the Packers, I think there was a couple of
Speaker 1: players they maybe missed out on. Man, that's a lot
Speaker 1: of money for Aaron Banks. But when they lost Elkton
Speaker 1: Jenkins in that playoff game and everything kind of fell
Speaker 1: apart against Philadelphia, they really trying to improve their depth.
Speaker 1: Bill's had a weird day. Josh Palmer got eighteen million
Speaker 1: dollars guaranteed at wide receiver three for thirty six. You know,
Speaker 1: when Jeremiah's in this studio kind of being like, Eh,
Speaker 1: Palmer's just the guy that doesn't make me feel great.
Speaker 1: And then Michael Hoyt, who's a nice role player for
Speaker 1: the ra as a like list it as a defensive tackle,
Speaker 1: and yet I remember him, you know, covering tight ends
Speaker 1: and running backs in space three for twenty four from
Speaker 1: the Bills, two of the signings of the day.
Speaker 3: I was like, huh, okay, Bhils, Yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Asked for my biggest surprise of free agency three for
Speaker 2: thirty for Josh Palmer. Yeah. I wasn't mentally prepared for that,
Speaker 2: considering the right things have looked.
Speaker 1: Okay, So eighteen million dollars guaranteed when we get to
Speaker 1: see it eventually, is it closer to well, eighteen guaranteed.
Speaker 1: Is it closer to two for eighteen or two for twenty?
Speaker 1: The crazy thing is, and we're trying to figure this out.
Speaker 1: In terms of veterans, I think of rotational three slash
Speaker 1: four that's about the price now is ten million dollars.
Speaker 3: So I think I just have to wrap my mind
Speaker 3: around it. Is he a good one of those or not?
Speaker 1: He ultimately didn't step up when the Chargers were really
Speaker 1: hoping to have him step up with a new coaching staff,
Speaker 1: a good coaching stuff last year, so we will see.
Speaker 3: The weirdest trade of the day was the Browns and
Speaker 3: the Eagles. How he did it again?
Speaker 1: The Browns traded a fifth and Dorian Thompson Robinson, who
Speaker 1: I'd rather have than Kenny Pickett for Kenny Pickett.
Speaker 2: You would rather have dtr than Kenny Picktt.
Speaker 3: I don't want Kenny.
Speaker 2: I'm prepared to say a lot of things about Kenny Pickett,
Speaker 2: but considering the way things have for DTR and est
Speaker 2: si Leiano pointed out that the one DTR win came
Speaker 2: against Kenny Pickett and the Steelers. But that being said,
Speaker 2: it's been a rough go for DTR in Cleveland, and
Speaker 2: I'm just wondering, why why either of these guys?
Speaker 1: Well, why a fifth round? Fifth round? Why is a
Speaker 1: fifth round pick involved? I know it's only a fifth
Speaker 1: round pick. By the way, everyone should check out our
Speaker 1: friend Andrews new YouTube show at Ceciliano Show, huge fan, why.
Speaker 3: Are you giving up a fifth for Kenny Pickett at all?
Speaker 1: I'm standing by my take, not that I think DTR
Speaker 1: has been impressive, but I was so unimpressed. I Canny
Speaker 1: Pickett in Philadelphia, which is the best place to be
Speaker 1: a quarterback. And by the way, this is a vote
Speaker 1: of confidence for Tanner McKee, who I think is gonna
Speaker 1: have a good career as a backup. I bet DTR
Speaker 1: and Philadelphia will look better than Kenny Pickett looked in Philadelphia.
Speaker 3: Let's go to the Giants.
Speaker 1: Paulson a debo, the former Saint who's coming off a
Speaker 1: serious injury, gets three years, thirty million dollars. Curious on
Speaker 1: the structure of that because it also said pending a
Speaker 1: physical when the team released it, and he is coming
Speaker 1: off a big injury, so that one is just keeping
Speaker 1: an eye on it. Roy Robertson Harris goes to the Giants,
Speaker 1: Darius Slayton, this cracked me up. Is back on three years,
Speaker 1: thirty six million dollar contract.
Speaker 2: He can't get away, which makes me believe that they
Speaker 2: have told Darius, you know, a quarterback might be impending.
Speaker 1: What you think Darius Slayton is dictating terms of quarterbacks
Speaker 1: in a year.
Speaker 2: No, I just I just think Darius Slayton could have
Speaker 2: had a great opportunity to go be successful somewhere else,
Speaker 2: and he was convinced to come back to New York
Speaker 2: where he has led them in receiving for every season
Speaker 2: that he's been in the league except for the one,
Speaker 2: and it's almost been despite.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they always bury him. I shout out to the
Speaker 1: guys at the podcast talking Giants. I enjoy that, but
Speaker 1: they always laugh because every coaching staff tries to put
Speaker 1: Slayton as the number four guy, the number three guy.
Speaker 1: They don't want to bring him back. Then a GM
Speaker 1: doesn't like him, and then every year he's literally the
Speaker 1: best receiver on the team until Molik Nighbors show up,
Speaker 1: and then he was the second best receiver, and the
Speaker 1: Giants are like, you know, who's pretty good and it's
Speaker 1: worth a really solid role player type of contract.
Speaker 3: Three for thirty six Darius freaking Slayton.
Speaker 2: And that's why so surprising about the Josh Palmer numbers,
Speaker 2: because if you look in your total, it's the exact
Speaker 2: same number.
Speaker 3: Satan's a much better player, I agree.
Speaker 2: And that's that's what blows my mind about. And again,
Speaker 2: Josh Palmer could be great this season and Buffalo would
Speaker 2: have all the success in the world, But it feels
Speaker 2: like Darius Slayton the football player is more valuable than this.
Speaker 1: A debo is the type of contract I often say
Speaker 1: teams should make in free agency. Number one, a guy
Speaker 1: who's show own it at the high level. He looked
Speaker 1: like a pro bowler in twenty three. Number two he's
Speaker 1: a bit of a distressed asset. And number three he's young.
Speaker 1: It's really hard actually to combine all those things. He's
Speaker 1: played well, but he's not at peak value right now. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: it's because of an injury, but you know, we've seen
Speaker 1: NFL players respond well to injuries. It's a three year contract.
Speaker 1: I think that is a risk, if it even is
Speaker 1: one at that price worth taking. Really like that, really
Speaker 1: like the Charvarius Ward signing for the Colts three years
Speaker 1: sixty million dollars, waiting on the guaranteed for that. They
Speaker 1: also signed Cam bying them four years sixty million dollars.
Speaker 1: One of their beat writers, Nate Ackens, pointed out, these
Speaker 1: are the two biggest free agent investments in the nine
Speaker 1: year history of Chris Ballard as the general manager of
Speaker 1: the Colts. And it's not just like in the secondary,
Speaker 1: they are both the biggest investments at all in the secondary,
Speaker 1: just period free agency. They've never spent this kind of money.
Speaker 1: That's a GM who knows the top clock is tick.
Speaker 1: But two really good players. I talked about Ward as
Speaker 1: one of the free agents I would most like to
Speaker 1: go after because I think he's due for a bounce
Speaker 1: back here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, two huge parts of the secondaries that they depart.
Speaker 2: And when we were talking about the Colts last week,
Speaker 2: you describe their draft strategy as they stay where they are,
Speaker 2: and I said that was an entire franchise strategy. But
Speaker 2: shout out to Chris Ballard for bucking that trend. Here.
Speaker 2: The off season for the Colts is not just blaming
Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson. They're gonna work on improving the roster, which
Speaker 2: is good.
Speaker 1: I am curious what else they're going to do. But
Speaker 1: those were two guys that I think fit into any
Speaker 1: secondary You always worry about bringing a guy in at
Speaker 1: corner or safety. Are they gonna fit what they do?
Speaker 1: And those two guys I think are very smart, very
Speaker 1: scheme versatile, welcome to JAG's corner. They were aggressive. They
Speaker 1: supposedly gave Jordan Lewis the biggest cornerback contract for a
Speaker 1: Nickel in NFL history, and it was three for thirty,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, how is that a fact?
Speaker 3: That's that's not true.
Speaker 1: First of all, Derwin James is like an ego Nate
Speaker 1: Hobbs top that I don't think that's true. I also,
Speaker 1: it's a twenty million and guarantees not guaranteed, it's up
Speaker 1: to thirty. So I think Cowboys fans that say what
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis got, that he's coming off a good year,
Speaker 1: by the way, and is beloved as just kind of
Speaker 1: a glue guy and a locker room leader. So I
Speaker 1: like that the Jags are trying to add that. I
Speaker 1: suspect when you peak under the hood, it's not going
Speaker 1: to be nearly as much money as it looks like.
Speaker 1: Weird though, because they have two guys who already played
Speaker 1: the slot there, Jerry and Jones, a recent draft pick,
Speaker 1: and Darnell Savage. They also got Diami Brown one year,
Speaker 1: ten million dollars. Patrick McCary gets three years thirty seven
Speaker 1: million dollars, twenty million guaranteed. He was both a guard
Speaker 1: and a tackle for the Ravens. It sounds like he's
Speaker 1: getting slotted into guard, which makes doesn't make a lot
Speaker 1: of sense to me. He was thought he was better
Speaker 1: at tackle. And then Robert Hainsey, a former center for
Speaker 1: the Bucks, gets three for twenty one. So just I
Speaker 1: think I'm missing some Jag signings, but hell, we have
Speaker 1: this whole offseason to get to him if I did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of jack signings.
Speaker 2: Very very busy for the Jags, and you know, congratulations
Speaker 2: to Jordan Lewis's agent for having everybody say that this
Speaker 2: is the biggest nickel deal.
Speaker 1: Okay, we talked about the biggest deal in terms of Nickels.
Speaker 1: We actually haven't hit one of the biggest contracts of
Speaker 1: the entire day so far. We will do that after
Speaker 1: the break. It's some next level radio stuff right there.
Speaker 1: Most podcasts don't even say we're gonna have a break.
Speaker 1: Maybe we shouldn't. Like I was saying before the break,
Speaker 1: these are the moves that shapen off season. It all
Speaker 1: happens in one week and then we spend like four
Speaker 1: or five months kind of picking it over and how
Speaker 1: does it all work together. So it's just first reactions here,
Speaker 1: and my first reaction is that from the Denver Broncos
Speaker 1: is that they're just trying to rebuild the forty nine
Speaker 1: ers defense because DJ Jones, who they re signed late
Speaker 1: Sunday night, right after we finished recording a defensive tackle
Speaker 1: three years, thirty nine million dollars twenty six guaranteed.
Speaker 3: That's kind of the going rate.
Speaker 1: By the way, all the like solid five to six
Speaker 1: hundred snap defensive linemen that aren't stars but are good players,
Speaker 1: they all got about twenty six million dollars guaranteed thirteen
Speaker 1: per year.
Speaker 3: So that was just the going rate. And then, as
Speaker 3: I mentioned a little earlier, on the forty nine Ers.
Speaker 1: They bring Tellaneo Hufanga, who had a bigger market than
Speaker 1: I expected, twenty million dollars guaranteed.
Speaker 3: Safeties did pretty well. Finally in free agency.
Speaker 1: We talked about it going into free agency that off
Speaker 1: ball linebackers and safeties were really good in this class,
Speaker 1: and they did get paid three forty five for him
Speaker 1: to the Broncos. Drake Greenlaw also goes there three for
Speaker 1: thirty nine. Suddenly this is just like a nastier defense.
Speaker 3: It was already a.
Speaker 1: Good defense, and now it's got like a little extra attitude.
Speaker 1: They're not resting on their laurels.
Speaker 2: There No, and we I said it during the Insiders
Speaker 2: on Monday, if Drake Greenlaw doesn't Terry's Achilles jogging back
Speaker 2: on the field, I think the forty nine Ers win
Speaker 2: that game.
Speaker 3: I take Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: I don't even know if it's that hot of a take.
Speaker 2: The margins were very small. You know, the defense was impacted.
Speaker 2: I think Fred was emotional about it, and he comes
Speaker 2: back after the Achilles tear and the Achilles injury with
Speaker 2: Rogers and Cousins. I think a lot of people looked
Speaker 2: at it as being like this end and you're going
Speaker 2: to need a season. Plus Dray looked pretty good considering
Speaker 2: what he was coming back from at the end of
Speaker 2: last season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the three quarters he played where electric against the Rams.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately got hurt again with the cap, so there's a
Speaker 1: lot of risk there. And yet, Yeah, these contracts. It's
Speaker 1: funny Jamian Sherwood who signed on Sunday night for the
Speaker 1: for the Jets, he actually got more guaranteed money in
Speaker 1: his contract than Fred Warner did his last extension. And
Speaker 1: so Fred Warner is looking at like what just happened
Speaker 1: to the off ball linebacker market. So there's these cascading
Speaker 1: effects where these contracts come out and then there's going
Speaker 1: to be players around the league that aren't too happy
Speaker 1: about it. And that's that's some of the stuff we'll
Speaker 1: be talking about down the stretch. But yeah, the forty
Speaker 1: nine ers have a while off season, a total exodus,
Speaker 1: and we're being told as we're taping this, Kyle Yuschek
Speaker 1: is getting released, oh by the forty nine ers. So
Speaker 1: that's another long time forty nine er. One of the
Speaker 1: few remaining from the twenty nineteen Super Bowl run that
Speaker 1: was on the team is no longer.
Speaker 3: Let's keep it with teams you know that used to
Speaker 3: be in the Bay Area.
Speaker 1: The Raiders, they keep Malcolm Koontz on a one year,
Speaker 1: twelve thirteen million dollars deal. They watch Morig go out
Speaker 1: the door, and they signed Jeremy Chin at Safety to
Speaker 1: you know, a vastly cheaper contract.
Speaker 3: What was the what was the numbers on Chin? I
Speaker 3: don't two years up to sixteen, thank you.
Speaker 1: That's that's why we got Patrick always always rebounding my missus,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Well that was you know, that was my job growing
Speaker 2: up because you couldn't shoot, so you had to do that.
Speaker 2: They get Alex Kappa as well on a relatively low
Speaker 2: deal for two years and eleven million dollars. And you know,
Speaker 2: it's all positive in Vegas because they get.
Speaker 1: That you're just you're just you're just Tatum crashing the
Speaker 1: boards those big big shoulders after like a missed Peyton
Speaker 1: Pritchard three or.
Speaker 2: Something, and he's got the green light. I could not
Speaker 2: be accompised to any green lighted guys.
Speaker 3: Okay, I like those I like those two deals by
Speaker 3: the Raiders.
Speaker 1: I know some of their fans are upset that some
Speaker 1: good defenders are leaving Hobbs was injured at times there.
Speaker 1: I guess I just want to give Pete Carroll the
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt, especially in terms of building a defense.
Speaker 1: They're obviously willing to spend. Let's see what the rest
Speaker 1: of their offseason looks like. The Cardinals and this was
Speaker 1: the contract I was referring to before the break we
Speaker 1: had mentioned. Josh Switt got forty one million dollars guaranteed
Speaker 1: four years, seventy seven million dollars. You can basically expect
Speaker 1: that he's getting paid about twenty million dollars a year
Speaker 1: over the next two years. They struck out on Milton Williams.
Speaker 1: They were reportedly deep into that one, and they used
Speaker 1: some of that money on Josh Sweat, who was obviously
Speaker 1: with Jonathan Gannon back in Philadelphia. And they need some
Speaker 1: defensive players so that they're not the search bar next.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we learned a lot about the search bar,
Speaker 2: the shout out to, you know, the ability to learn.
Speaker 2: They get Bayarn Browning to come back, as well as
Speaker 2: Joey Blunt, and so they keep some of those guys,
Speaker 2: but they add the talent, which is where they need
Speaker 2: to be. It's just time to finally see it. And
Speaker 2: I don't think they're done.
Speaker 1: No, no, all these teams were going to be back
Speaker 1: every single day this week. They're just getting going. So
Speaker 1: don't don't give the grades. Don't be upset about what
Speaker 1: your team didn't do on Day one, Day one, Free
Speaker 1: Agents Day one, Day two, Day two, Day three, Day four.
Speaker 3: They matter too.
Speaker 1: BJ Hill is back with the Bengals, three for thirty three.
Speaker 1: Again I mentioned those rotational kind of defensive lineman. Sixteen
Speaker 1: million dollars guaranteed, very similar contract. Although you look at
Speaker 1: that and you're like, can you just give some of
Speaker 1: that money to Trey Hendrickson. Let's just figure it out
Speaker 1: your star instead of your rotational guy who's like thirty
Speaker 1: one years old. But the idea that you can do both.
Speaker 1: Because BJ Hill has been a good player for them.
Speaker 1: The Saints traded for the Patriots run stopper Devon Godshaw.
Speaker 1: They gave up a seventh round pick, and I believe
Speaker 1: they're gonna redo his contract, and he was excited. You
Speaker 1: got to name the ends in au X. That's Respot
Speaker 1: going to New Orleans and he is he is from
Speaker 1: New he is from Louisiana. Rather, that's the place to
Speaker 1: be an elite run stopper in the seasons that he's
Speaker 1: been elite, which have been more years from not and
Speaker 1: than not, and then for whatever reason, it'll have these
Speaker 1: down years and his team not too happy with him,
Speaker 1: But overall, I think they'll get good value out of him.
Speaker 1: And our our reporter slash producer Eric Roberts lets me
Speaker 1: know that Chase Young is going back to the Saints,
Speaker 1: that that's happening.
Speaker 3: As we trade. It doesn't matter. I mean, as we tape,
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter how late we tape.
Speaker 1: The these items are gonna keep coming. Are are not
Speaker 1: stopping on Monday Night. It's it's a three year, fifty
Speaker 1: one million dollars deal for Chase Young.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 1: I want to see the guarantees because I just can't
Speaker 1: believe that Chase Young commands more than one year of
Speaker 1: good guaranteed money. He's getting a raise off of what
Speaker 1: he got last year in free agency.
Speaker 3: But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess I gotta see that it doesn't say the
Speaker 1: guaranteed money, and that's usually a bad sign for the
Speaker 1: player relatively. I'm just saying, if he's getting three years
Speaker 1: for fifty one Chase Young, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, we just talked about like your standard issue
Speaker 2: defensive time. That's fair kind of warning. Twenty six and
Speaker 2: Chase Young, you know, electing not to take because you
Speaker 2: know that you do the comp with Jadavian Clowney, maybe
Speaker 2: like a Stefan Gilmore where it's like you can get
Speaker 2: to that one year mercenary type spot. You know, Chase
Speaker 2: Young kind of saw his career kind of come back
Speaker 2: to him a little bit and he'll stay there.
Speaker 1: Somehow, only twenty five years old. This generation Sammy Watkins
Speaker 1: where you're just like, what, how He's only going to
Speaker 1: be twenty eight at the end of this deal?
Speaker 3: How is that?
Speaker 1: How is that even possible? You know, we haven't talked
Speaker 1: a lot of vikings on this show. They bring Isaiah
Speaker 1: Rodgers in from the Eagles, who is good in a
Speaker 1: supplementary role two for fifteen and just kind of as
Speaker 1: a third fourth cornerback. Ryan Kelly, the Colts center, comes
Speaker 1: in two for eighteen. Like that move for them rare value.
Speaker 1: I know there's risk with the injuries, but.
Speaker 2: It's a really good football player. And yeah, the position
Speaker 2: of lead need for a lot of folks where Okay,
Speaker 2: if it works, that's incredible. If it doesn't, it's two years,
Speaker 2: eighteen million.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Garrett Bradbury, their old first round pick, probably
Speaker 1: is getting benched or moved to guard Byron Murphy. And
Speaker 1: again I'm springing this on you, Patrick as we're taping
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl. MVP of the Pro Bowl Games on
Speaker 1: defense is going back to Minnesota three years, sixty six
Speaker 1: million dollars. A rare guy that's getting two good free
Speaker 1: agent deals.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: He's also a rare guy who kind of bet on
Speaker 1: himself last time with a good two year deal, was
Speaker 1: hoping to get even more the next time around while
Speaker 1: he's still in his twenties.
Speaker 2: And he did it. And I was worried when you
Speaker 2: started to say his name, I'm like, wow, are they
Speaker 2: losing Murphy and Cambinel. But no, they get at least
Speaker 2: one back and that's a big part of their secondary
Speaker 2: and that they had to they had to keep some
Speaker 2: of those.
Speaker 3: He was really good.
Speaker 2: More questions, they answered, Minnesota.
Speaker 3: You know what he is.
Speaker 1: And they say this about every undersized cornerback, scrappy, feisty.
Speaker 1: He's feisty. That means he's small.
Speaker 2: All those short people sneak disses that.
Speaker 3: We see you, We see you out there. The Chiefs.
Speaker 3: The Chiefs signed Jalen Moore at left tackle. This was
Speaker 3: a surprise.
Speaker 1: He when twenty one million dollars guaranteed on a two year,
Speaker 1: thirty million dollar contract. So if you don't know who
Speaker 1: Jalen Moore is, he played at the end of last
Speaker 1: season when Trent Williams was not playing, so he got
Speaker 1: five starts, and those five starts got him thirty million
Speaker 1: dollars because otherwise he was on the bench.
Speaker 3: I kind of like the idea behind it.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: The Chiefs were reportedly in on Ronnie Stanley and then
Speaker 1: that didn't happen, And it's almost like when the Patriots
Speaker 1: drafted Matt Castle. It's like this guy's that had barely
Speaker 1: even been on the field, but they saw something they
Speaker 1: like and Jalen Moore and they paid him handsomely. So
Speaker 1: it's either going to be a great deal or a
Speaker 1: terrible deal. That's my prediction.
Speaker 2: It just feels like, and I know that there's sponsor
Speaker 2: they've spent elsewhere, but the Chiefs have been like bargain
Speaker 2: hunting at tackle with their generationally gifted quarterback the best
Speaker 2: of all time, and it feels like stop doing that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, whatever, I'll take it.
Speaker 1: They also signed Elijah Mitchell, the former forty nine er.
Speaker 1: There's another guy who's leaving the forty nine ers at
Speaker 1: running back. He'll just speak kind of a backup. Zach Wilson,
Speaker 1: speaking of backups, got six million dollars guaranteed to be
Speaker 1: the Dolphins quarterback. If Sean Payton and Mike McDaniel can't
Speaker 1: fix you, you can't be fixed.
Speaker 2: That was the answer to the Stidham versus Zach Wilson
Speaker 2: quarterback battle that ultimately bon Nixon was like, hey, better
Speaker 2: than both of these guys.
Speaker 1: Stidham, by the way back back with the Broncos. I
Speaker 1: forgot that one two for twelve. So Sean Payne really
Speaker 1: does like him as as a backup quarterback and good
Speaker 1: career if you can get it. Another former Bronco, Javonte
Speaker 1: Williams signed with the Cowboys. That's up to three million.
Speaker 1: That's really backup running back money. If anything, that sort
Speaker 1: of spells out to me. They could still take one
Speaker 1: in the draft, and you know, just some other little deals.
Speaker 1: Brown's will cut Dalvin Tomlinson, He'll hit my top one one.
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers will get cut one of these days. Evan
Speaker 1: Brown was an offensive lineman who resigned with the Cardinals.
Speaker 1: Braden Smith is back with the Colts on a rework
Speaker 1: deal a tackle and I guess one last note is
Speaker 1: it was reported nothing's really changed that Cooper Cup will
Speaker 1: be released on Wednesday. No trade has materialized. They're looking
Speaker 1: like they're just waiting till the last minute for Cooper Cup.
Speaker 1: I question if the market's going to be as strong
Speaker 1: for him as fans and other beat writers seem to
Speaker 1: think it is. People are like slotting him in as
Speaker 1: like a number one or a two or a difference maker.
Speaker 1: He's he's barely going to crack the top one oh one,
Speaker 1: and that's mostly just out of respect. But I'm putting
Speaker 1: in below Keenan Allen. I'm putting in below Mike Williams,
Speaker 1: like toward towards the bottom regions of the top one
Speaker 1: oh one, kind of a role player.
Speaker 3: I think at this point of his career, I'll.
Speaker 2: Make a case, okay for Cooper Cup two. He's not
Speaker 2: going to be at the point of impact in the
Speaker 2: run game anymore. Hopefully, if somebody's giving him a big deal,
Speaker 2: he'll be able to go out there and run routes
Speaker 2: and be a receiver, hopefully keep him on the field,
Speaker 2: limit those impacts and have him be a guy that
Speaker 2: can get open and know where he's going to be.
Speaker 2: And there's value in that. Josh Palmer again got three years,
Speaker 2: thirty six million.
Speaker 1: All right, let's stop talking until and then, you know,
Speaker 1: just to prevent anything else happening. There's there is no
Speaker 1: right time to tape the podcast Patrick, fortunately or unfortunately,
Speaker 1: depending on how you look at it. So that is
Speaker 1: everything that has happened as of right now, as of
Speaker 1: ninety five Eastern time. That's when we're taping it, six
Speaker 1: forty five on the best coast out here.
Speaker 3: Let's be off with the day. Play play that music.
Speaker 2: Eric.
Speaker 3: We will be back on Tuesday. You love him, you
Speaker 3: know him.
Speaker 1: It's George Rodrigue of the Athletic and Colleen Wolf's day
Speaker 1: in the studio. We'll wrap up everything that happens on Tuesday,
Speaker 1: you know. Until then, Look when we're trying to save
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson's career again, you know, football is back.
Speaker 3: Didn't hit the post