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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're talking about another Larimie

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Speaker 1: Tunzel mega deal just a six years later. I'm Greg

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Speaker 1: rosenthalm here in the Chris Westling podcast studio on the

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Speaker 1: first day of the NFL negotiating window, Patrick Claybon and Man.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot of deals to talk about.

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Speaker 2: And it's to think about the amount of time that's

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Speaker 2: passed there, because it feels like yesterday, but also it

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Speaker 2: feels like twenty million years ago since that twenty nineteen trade.

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Speaker 2: But it's symbolized by just how many things are constantly happening.

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Speaker 2: And that's just one of the many things we get

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Speaker 3: Today in the march of time.

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Speaker 1: Because the price tag for Laramie Tunzel in twenty five

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Speaker 1: not the same price tag as it was in nineteen,

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Speaker 1: and yet very significant and it was front of my

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Speaker 1: mind because it was the most surprising news I think

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Speaker 1: that happened on Monday. If you listened to our Sunday

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Speaker 1: night recap show, Shook and I hit some of the

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Speaker 1: big names like Devon and Geno, Smith and DK and

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Speaker 1: on the first day of freegency we had just a

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Speaker 1: crazy amount of players signed. As usual, it seems like

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Speaker 1: it goes faster and faster every year. Maybe not as

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Speaker 1: many huge, huge fireworks, Patrick, but we're going to go

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Speaker 1: through it all day. I was stressed about, like, what

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Speaker 1: is the right time to tape this show. I want

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Speaker 1: to get get it right, and so we're coming straight

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Speaker 1: off the set. If you're watching on YouTube, you get

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Speaker 1: a free Greg still got the pocket look at my

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Speaker 1: pocket square because we did NFL Insiders together and people

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Speaker 1: should check out Patrick on that all week long. I'll

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Speaker 1: be back with you on Wednesday for sure. On that show,

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Speaker 1: let's actually start at the quarterback position. So we're just

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Speaker 1: going to go through every item of news. My vision

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Speaker 1: for this NFL Daily week it's really just news focus.

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Speaker 1: If you only listen to this podcast for some reason,

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Speaker 1: I want you to feel like you have literally every

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Speaker 1: significant deal covered.

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Speaker 2: If you listen to Greg this week, you will be

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Speaker 2: fully plugged in as if you were listening to our

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Speaker 2: show for the entirety of the six hour.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna try to squeeze it into about an hour.

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Speaker 1: All right, Sammy, Donald's go into the Seahawks. This was

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Speaker 1: the move that every year, there's one that everyone knew

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Speaker 1: was happening before free agency started at least after the

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Speaker 1: Geno Smith trade happened. And now I look back at

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Speaker 1: last week and I think about all those reports and

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Speaker 1: I fell into it too. We talked about it with

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah. Oh, well, actually the best option for Sam

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Speaker 1: Donald might be Minnesota, and that's getting push push, And

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Speaker 1: now I look back on that as Oh, were they

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Speaker 1: playing a leverage game the Donald camp to make it

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Speaker 1: seem like, Hey, you got to raise your price there

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Speaker 1: in Seattle, and Seattle's waiting to finish that behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes before they trade Geno. Well, they've got their guy,

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Speaker 1: thirty seven point five million dollars guaranteed, three for fifty overall.

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Speaker 1: Depends on how you look at it, it's essentially the

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield contract for Seattle. I think you can make

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Speaker 1: the case of why they made this deal. What did

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Speaker 1: you think about it when you're breaking it on NFL Network.

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Speaker 2: Well, ultimately, the deal it's very difficult, just like it

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Speaker 2: was for the Michael PENNOCKX draft pick, to be viewed

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Speaker 2: as just the deal, because the Seahawks got rid of

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Speaker 2: a good quarterback. Ultimately trading in a way to play

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Speaker 2: for their old coach and his oole coach in Las

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Speaker 2: Vegas to bring in Sam Donald, who had that spectacular year,

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Speaker 2: not being dismissive of that that spectacular year on a

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Speaker 2: a longtime great at receiver, and is in total turnover.

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Speaker 2: In the entire situation where it's difficult to view Sam

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Speaker 2: in my opinion, they had a better quarterback last year.

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Speaker 3: Right, So I need, I wanted.

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Speaker 1: This is one of the contracts, and I agree with

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Speaker 1: How much of that money is into year two. It

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Speaker 1: our guys reported at the Insiders that Gino was offered

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Speaker 1: from the Seattle's perspective, they're looking at it like they

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Speaker 1: got seven years younger. That's significant. Gino is getting older.

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Speaker 1: importantly in my mind, maybe Donald's a better fit or

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Speaker 1: he's a good fit at least in Clint Kubiak's offense.

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Speaker 1: What Sam Donald was successful in Minnesota. Maybe Gino wasn't

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Speaker 1: I don't think Gino would have had the meltdown eighteen

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Speaker 2: Yeah, ultimate, the Seahawks can improve in a lot of

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Speaker 2: he's always going to be younger than Geno Smith, like clearly,

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Speaker 2: I would need to see a age related falloff for Gino,

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Speaker 2: who again watched football for several seasons, right, So, I

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Speaker 2: don't know if Gino's age relatively to the people who

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Speaker 2: considering that they had already made the Gino trade, I

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Speaker 2: in that view, good welcome back Sam Donald. It's just

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Speaker 1: Darnald likes to hold the ball a lot, but that

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Speaker 1: But I think you can only choose one. You're either

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Speaker 1: And this is gonna be tough for menat I'm doing

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Speaker 2: You're either with me or you're against me.

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Speaker 1: You can't do it. It's spicy, though it adds a little spice.

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Speaker 1: I never bought the whole idea that the Seahawks are

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Speaker 1: That's just I don't think they're trying to take a

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Speaker 2: I will say this, Sam Donald will have fewer attempts

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Speaker 2: think that the offense will be as heavily featuring the

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Speaker 2: the investment's worth in Sam Donald, but the ceiling in

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Speaker 2: think they're gonna they're gonna do that with Sam.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we'll see.

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe Gino does better away from Ryan Grebb, but

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Speaker 1: That was a one year moment in time with the Seahawks,

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Speaker 2: Over a good Seahawks team, by the way, like.

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Speaker 3: Justin fields is the new Jets quarterback? Love that two years?

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Speaker 1: Forty million dollars, thirty million dollars guaranteed. I was one

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Speaker 1: that's a that's great money for Justin Field. First of all,

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Speaker 1: it's half as much as Sam Donald. That seems appropriate,

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Speaker 1: I mean after the Donald season. But it's like, it's

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Speaker 1: not a lot. It's twenty million dollars per year, it's

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Speaker 1: thirty guaranteed. This is another one year type of deal,

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Speaker 1: and I think, considering the market that was out there,

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Speaker 1: going after any other free agent quarterback that was available.

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Speaker 1: They didn't have amazing options. I think this one is

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Speaker 2: On social media webskype blue Sky pointed out that this

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Speaker 2: to be a lot that's put on Justin Fields as

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Speaker 2: what they're going to be. And yeah, thirty million guaranteed,

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Speaker 2: because that's where I start. It is a dangerous trend

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Speaker 1: four million dollars for Milton Williams, an emerging defensive tackle

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Speaker 1: who played the best football of his life by far

435
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Speaker 1: late last season, especially in the playoffs, especially in the

436
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Speaker 1: NFC Championship game. In the Super Bowl, Carlton Davis goes

437
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Speaker 1: at the top of the cornerback market three years, fifty

438
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Speaker 1: four million, about thirty six million dollars guaranteed. Robert Splaine,

439
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 1: who had a nice little come up under Antonio Pierce

440
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, like Carlton Davis, almost thirty

441
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Speaker 1: years old, linebacker, playmaker, he signs with the Patriots.

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Speaker 3: Morgan Moses, the.

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Speaker 1: Tackle who's just kind of bounced around, is almost like

444
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Speaker 1: a replacement level, like you're not going to get too excited,

445
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Speaker 1: but he plays pretty well.

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Speaker 3: Morgan Moses.

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Speaker 1: I put him on them on the Patriots, by the way,

448
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Speaker 1: on that forties in free Agent show where we're trying

449
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Speaker 1: to build what they're going to do in free agency.

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Speaker 3: So got that one right.

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Speaker 1: They also added Josh Dobbs, by the way, Josh Dobbs

452
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Speaker 1: is going to be in the mix there with Joe

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Speaker 1: Milton as the backup. And Mac Collins is a New

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Speaker 1: England Patriot. Two years, eight million dollars for Mac Collins. Wow,

455
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Speaker 1: that was a lot by the Patriots in day one.

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Speaker 1: Is it? Is it going to be looked back on

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Speaker 1: like that last Belichick spending spree. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you remember that year when it was John hus Smith

459
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Speaker 1: Hunter Henry, but there was a couple more and they

460
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Speaker 1: then mostly didn't go well.

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Speaker 2: No, it's a different regime. It's a new era for

462
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Speaker 2: the Patriots. Although when Carlton Davis came out and said,

463
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Speaker 2: you know, no discounts of trying to get money, I

464
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Speaker 2: did think, like always going to New England, like that

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Speaker 2: was the first thing. If all Carlton Tavis said that,

466
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Speaker 2: and then if someone were to just watch as postseason,

467
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Speaker 2: they would think that Milton is the best player in

468
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Speaker 2: the world and so like that that money is deserved

469
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Speaker 2: and owed. It's gonna be interested to see when the

470
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Speaker 2: snap counts go up what the production is going to

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Speaker 2: be like for Milton Williams because it's difficult to project that.

472
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Speaker 2: But this team needs talent. You know, they're they're not done.

473
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Speaker 2: And I'll say, like if you miss out on Ronnie

474
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Speaker 2: Stanley and Chris Godwin like two career one year, I

475
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Speaker 2: mean one team guys Like I don't know, like if

476
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Speaker 2: you set your sights to to those type of players

477
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Speaker 2: where they're ultimately going to go back regardless, like you're

478
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Speaker 2: gonna miss out sometimes and these other guys were realistically leaving.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it raises the floor some of these

480
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Speaker 1: moves are gonna go terrible. That's just how it goes

481
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Speaker 1: when you spend a lot of not Matt, I think

482
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Speaker 1: it's one of the reasons why the Eagles have been

483
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Speaker 1: so good is they spend to the cap every year

484
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Speaker 1: and it allows them to make mistakes like a Bryce

485
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,479
Speaker 1: Huff or a Jahan Dotson for more of the year.

486
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Speaker 1: The dots and showed up at the end in that

487
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Speaker 1: trade because they take about ten swings and if you

488
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Speaker 1: go seven for ten or you go, you know, five

489
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Speaker 1: for eight, six for eight, like, you're still adding five

490
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Speaker 1: or six good players. And that's why you spend to

491
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Speaker 1: the cap, and the Patriots did need to spend. I

492
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Speaker 1: think it's tough that you're getting a lot older. I

493
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Speaker 1: add Harold Landry was my least favorite of all these,

494
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Speaker 1: and that was on yesterday's show. You Know Splain Davis

495
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Speaker 1: Morgan Moses, Harold Landry. I think it's safe to say

496
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Speaker 1: those guys are probably have their best days behind them,

497
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Speaker 1: Like they're all twenty nine to thirty or older. Landry's

498
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Speaker 1: not quite there, and so you're not getting guys in

499
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Speaker 1: the middle of their prime. Milton Williams is more of

500
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Speaker 1: a free agent that I think is worth the gamble

501
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Speaker 1: even though it's a lot of money. Although we haven't

502
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Speaker 1: seen the guaranteed money. That's usually a sign that it's

503
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Speaker 1: a little less than you expect. We haven't seen the

504
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Speaker 1: structure there. He got four for one oh four. Is

505
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Speaker 1: it really like a two year deal wouldn't be surprising

506
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Speaker 1: And he's a risk, I get it. Mike Tanier had

507
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Speaker 1: a great stat which you know, he had a career

508
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Speaker 1: high at seventeen pressures in twenty twenty three.

509
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Speaker 3: At the time.

510
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Speaker 1: In the first half of the twenty twenty four season,

511
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Speaker 1: sixteen pressure is pretty good. The final six weeks of

512
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Speaker 1: the regular season seventeen, Oh wow, we're getting crazy. In

513
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Speaker 1: the playoffs he got fourteen like even crazier. So he

514
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Speaker 1: was the anti Sam Bradford. He made a lot of

515
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Speaker 1: money late. I still think he would have made a

516
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 1: good amount of money because people who know ball watch

517
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Speaker 1: him and he's got a lot of potential. Is it

518
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Speaker 1: going to change what they do at number four? You

519
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 1: don't go for Mason Graham? Maybe not, but I think

520
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Speaker 1: he's a guy worth taking and ultimately, even though I

521
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Speaker 1: think it's only like pushing them to be closer to mediocre,

522
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: I do think you got to spend that money.

523
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Speaker 3: That's what the cap space is for.

524
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Speaker 2: That's what it's for, and that's why the idea that

525
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 2: they shouldn't rite the idea that you got to keep

526
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 2: cap space and try to carry it. Now, that's why

527
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Speaker 2: I always try to make the case for a draft abolition,

528
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Speaker 2: because the team should be trying, should be trying to win.

529
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Speaker 2: We don't want to incentivize people to root for losing.

530
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Speaker 2: So go out there, spin to the cap, do cap shit,

531
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Speaker 2: cannery like the Saints, like if you if you mess up,

532
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Speaker 2: who cares.

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Speaker 1: They're just trying to get professional. I think in a

534
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Speaker 1: perfect world, you know they are like the Commanders, They're

535
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: not going to have that success. But I think the Commanders,

536
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: who signed about twenty free agents last year, hit on

537
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 1: seven or eight of them, and they were just veterans

538
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Speaker 1: who could play football at the professional level. I think

539
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: the Patriots are playing a little bit more of a

540
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Speaker 1: tax here in free agency. They're hoping Carlton Davis is

541
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Speaker 1: a difference maker. I had Carlton Davis in my top

542
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Speaker 1: twelve free agents because I think if he's healthy, he

543
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Speaker 1: can play. And you know who else agrees, like the

544
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Speaker 1: Detroit Lions. They outbid Carlton Davis. Supposedly, the Lions extended

545
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Speaker 1: pretty far to get Carlton Davis, and they had a

546
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Speaker 1: line they were not going to go over, and the

547
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Speaker 1: Patriots just topped them from whatever it was going to be,

548
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Speaker 1: maybe a couple million dollars per year, maybe it was

549
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Speaker 1: five million dollars. Guaranteed. They're getting older, but they're getting spicier.

550
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Speaker 1: You know, they're trying. Let's take a quick break here

551
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Speaker 1: on this show of NFL Daily. We have a lot

552
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Speaker 1: of signings to go. Eric is looking at me and

553
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,719
Speaker 1: he's wondering, like, is this show gonna be ninety eight minutes?

554
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 3: No, Eric, it's not. Back on NFL Daily.

555
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Speaker 1: Chris Godwin reportedly left twenty million dollars on the table.

556
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Speaker 1: We're not leaving any money on the table, Patrick, We're

557
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 1: going after it.

558
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 2: I'd just like to see it. I know that Chris

559
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 2: Godwin is a very good football player and deserves everything.

560
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 2: That the number in the sixty six range. So does

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Speaker 2: that mean the number was in the eighty six range?

562
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Speaker 1: I mean maybe it was. This is how I look

563
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: at stuff like that. Maybe the Patriots offered four for

564
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: eighty six or something. You know what I mean, Instead

565
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 1: of three six, it was a longer deal.

566
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Speaker 2: Fourth year that was never gonna happen in any real.

567
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 1: Lif or maybe or maybe it was three for eighty six,

568
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: but that third year is unlikely. The thing that I

569
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: love is that Chris Godwin got paid forty four million

570
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 1: dollars guaranteed. So the Patriots probably helped push that number up,

571
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: and they weren't the only team. The Jaguars were in

572
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: on Chris Godwin as well. It's probably a two year,

573
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: forty four million dollar deal for Chris Godwin essentially. But

574
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Speaker 1: what I love and Jason Light to me is just

575
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Speaker 1: one of the best general managers in the game for

576
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Speaker 1: many reasons.

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Speaker 2: There's another note for you, Jason, he said, one of

578
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Speaker 2: all right.

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Speaker 1: Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, and Levonte David have played a

580
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: combined thirty two years on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. How

581
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Speaker 1: cool is that it's an entertainment product? Patrick, These are

582
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: great Buccaneers, great players, and they found a way to

583
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: keep them. And I think they run their organization in

584
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,719
Speaker 1: such a way that these players want to stay and

585
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,239
Speaker 1: maybe you know, and they are passing up somebody, So like,

586
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: kudos to everyone I like it.

587
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Speaker 3: That's that's my big take.

588
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you shouldn't have to like hold somebody hostage and

589
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: deny trade requests and ultimately overpay to keep them. If

590
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 2: you're a fan of a player and a team and

591
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 2: you've got that, like, you should want to see those

592
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 2: guys stick around. You don't want to be a Titans

593
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 2: fan watching aj hoist Lombardi in an Eagles jersey or

594
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 2: see Derek Henry running down right himself. Like, if you've

595
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: got good players, you acquire the talent and then you

596
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 2: utilize that talent and shout out to Jason light and

597
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 2: the Bucks were doing.

598
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: He comes from the Patriots, and yet I don't think

599
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: he has that. You know, everyone has a certain value

600
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: and cut throw and cut him a year before you

601
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: know it's too late, and.

602
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 3: Like it's worked out. Mike Evans is still Mike Evans.

603
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Speaker 1: I think Chris Godwin, everyone's gonna see that, and I

604
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Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a contract.

605
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Speaker 3: The age is fine this year.

606
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Speaker 1: Maybe is not gonna be Pete Godwin coming off that

607
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: injury early in the season, but he'll get there.

608
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 3: And even Leavonte David.

609
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Speaker 1: You just respect the guys that have helped you along

610
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: the way, and I think the respect goes both ways.

611
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: And I think that Buccaneers team not just well run,

612
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: but I think they got a lot of potential this year.

613
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: They also got a Sun Reddick, interesting deal. They don't

614
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: like to spend a lot of long term money, but

615
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: give a son Reddick a shot one for twelve.

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Speaker 3: I like that.

617
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of people forgot that a Son

618
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 2: Reddick eventually did come back and start playing football for

619
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Speaker 2: the Jets last season. He probably essentially paid six million

620
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Speaker 2: dollars to not pay to not play for the Jets

621
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Speaker 2: for the first bit, but finishmen ultimately played ten games.

622
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 2: A lot of guys that didn't play ten games last year.

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Speaker 3: It was a huge need for the Bucks.

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Speaker 1: Their edge rushers have been below average the last couple

625
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Speaker 1: of years. And again, this is the best use of

626
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Speaker 1: cap space. I think these veterans give him a shot.

627
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: Did not look great with the Jets. It was a

628
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: lost season. And yet if you think about a year ago,

629
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Speaker 1: if he was on my free agency list coming off

630
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Speaker 1: where he was in Philadelphia, he would have been in

631
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Speaker 1: the top five. Like he was a better player than

632
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: Josh Sweat on the same team of Josh sweat and

633
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: Josh Swett is signing for exponentially more money, and it

634
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: makes sense. Jeff Swet's a good signing, but I just

635
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: think this could end up being a nice value and

636
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: if it doesn't work out, it was a chance worth taking.

637
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: The Bears continued their offensive line makeover and then they

638
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: got involved with the defensive line as well. So after

639
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: picking up two guards over the last week, they sign

640
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: a center, Drew Dolman, my number one center on the market,

641
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: three years, forty two million dollars twenty eight million dollars guaranteed.

642
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: While we're here, let's talk Deo Odengbo from the Colts,

643
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: who we mentioned on this podcast. Tom Peli Sarah mentioned

644
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: was going to be a guy that maybe got paid

645
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: a little more than people expected. Top forty on my list,

646
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Speaker 1: thirty two million dollars guaranteed for him, three for forty eight.

647
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: And then Grady Jarrett, who in the span of the

648
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Speaker 1: what is it twenty one hours since we taped NFL

649
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: Daily got cut and signed three years, forty three million,

650
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Speaker 1: twenty eight point five million dollars fully guaranteed. Just some

651
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: context for Jarrett, I think when something happens that late

652
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: him getting cut Monday morning and then signing a few

653
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: hours later. My guess is they were trying to trade

654
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: him to the Bears, and it was a bit of

655
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: a stare off and the Bear they knew the Bears

656
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: were interested, and the Bears are like, now we're just

657
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: gonna We're just gonna wait for you to cut them. Bro,

658
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: we've got a deal all worked out.

659
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 3: That's just my guess. I have zero information, but I

660
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 3: think that's probably what happened.

661
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good vibes based yess on how this transpires,

662
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 2: where you know, sometimes these.

663
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: It was like three hours later he got cut and

664
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: then he had this deal done three hours later.

665
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, where you know, everybody's having conversations and it is

666
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 2: a you know, a negotiating window. But sometimes things happen

667
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 2: a little too quick to have not been previously discussed.

668
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: What do you think about I mean, the Bears, they

669
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: weren't kidding when Ryan Pols was on this show, said

670
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: we're going to be aggressive attacking free agency and fixing

671
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: that offensive line. Jonah Jackson via trade, Joe Tene Toney

672
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: via trade, Drew Dolman on in free agency, and they

673
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: suddenly have an offensive line they could still be looking

674
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: at tackle in the draft, but they have Bracton Jones

675
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: Darnel right at left and right tackle, and man, they

676
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: went after it. And then I'm surprised Jarrett got that

677
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: much money, I really am, because he was coming off

678
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: a serious injury last year. The Falcons, obviously, I think,

679
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: would want to keep Grady Jarrett. He's a lifetime Falcon

680
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: and they didn't believe in him, but the Bears did,

681
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: and he'll fit next to Girvan Dexter. Those are kind

682
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: of different types of players. I think Jarret at this

683
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: point in the career, maybe they're viewing him as more

684
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: of like he's going to be the run stopper. He's

685
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: not going to be the upfield penetrator quite as much.

686
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: And next to Dexter, we'll see.

687
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, the skill set remains there with Grady Jarrett, perhaps

688
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 2: in spots. Maybe the number of snaps isn't necessarily what

689
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 2: it was during his prime in Atlanta. But the Bears

690
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: in terms of addressing needs, because doing it in the

691
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 2: draft is so difficult because you can't like need is

692
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 2: a very bad talent evaluator because you wait around, you

693
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 2: don't know if the guy that you wanted a certain

694
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: spot is going to ultimately be there. They're still dealing

695
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: with the impacts of trades as well draft wise, So

696
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 2: go ahead and fill these needs right now and take

697
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 2: the best player available and on the interior offensive line

698
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 2: able to move, guy's getting a center as well. How

699
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 2: do you not grate it positively?

700
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dolman is a guy who I think you're more

701
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: excited about in the running game than the passing game.

702
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: And I think that's going to be a focus for

703
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: Ben Jonson, is establishing this running game. Because to me,

704
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: that's why you give Drew Dolman the money that he got.

705
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 3: What is it?

706
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: It actually was fairly reasonable in this market and offensive

707
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 1: lineman twenty eight million dollars guaranteed to start. That actually

708
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: shows me his market wasn't as crazy as I expected.

709
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: It's basically a two for twenty eight type of deal,

710
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: and that's fine to get a starter. And when I

711
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: spoke about Jarrett, I, look, there's been a lot going

712
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: on today. I meant to say, you think of Jerry

713
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: at this point of his career, Garon Dexter is going

714
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: to be that run stopper there. Jared's going to be

715
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: next to him, just kind of trying to upfield get

716
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: the penetration special. Yeah, rush type of guy, and so

717
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: he could maybe look better with a guy like Dexter

718
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: and next to him. So I'm correcting myself there. The

719
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: Panthers were looking to spend a lot of money. They

720
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: reported Lee were in on Milton Williams to the point

721
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: where the Athletic reported that it was it was a

722
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: done deal that they agreed to terms and then the

723
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: Patriots ended up coming over the top, or maybe that

724
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: just never was the case and getting Milton Williams, but

725
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: they did spend a lot of money On Monday, Travon Morig,

726
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: who we talked a lot about over the last couple

727
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: of weeks, a safety from the Raiders gets fifty one

728
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: million dollars over three years. I know there were a

729
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 1: number of teams in on him.

730
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 2: J C.

731
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: Horn before free agency even started, got a hundred million dollars,

732
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: a ton of guarantees. We said it in our NFC

733
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: South preview that he was really the one young player

734
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: on their roster worth investing in long term, and so

735
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: they got that done before free agency even started. Hasn't

736
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: played a lot of games, so a little bit of

737
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: a risk, but an outstanding young player. And then they

738
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: signed bob be Brown three for twenty one, the former

739
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: Rams player. I was surprising to me. Definitely a rotational guy,

740
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: Pat Jones from Minnesota. So it's a lot of just

741
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: beef up front. There's some conflicting reports maybe on Turshaun

742
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: Wharton from the Chiefs, whether he's going to join the

743
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,439
Speaker 1: Panthers or not. So we will see on that one.

744
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: But what do you think about the Panthers spending spree?

745
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes sense considering what was available. I'm the

746
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 2: number on JC Horn Like, I'm gonna need to see

747
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 2: some details. I know. The discussion right was that it's

748
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 2: one of the highest paid deals for defensive back in

749
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 2: NFL history. I just citation perhaps needed on that. I

750
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 2: do like bringing Tommy Trumble back, Like you get Tommy

751
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,439
Speaker 2: Trumble for two years, ten and a half minute.

752
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 3: That's another one too. Yeah, it feels like a.

753
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 2: Solid value add and yeah, we'll get Bobby Brown some

754
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 2: more playing time to see where things go. But if

755
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 2: you're looking for like the it, yeah for Carolina, I

756
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: have not seen it yet.

757
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was, it's all the highest paid defensive back

758
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: in history. That doesn't seem totally accurate. We need to

759
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: see the things, but that that's how the agency is

760
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: probably spinning it. We'll see I like I like Tron

761
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: morg We'll see on the Triffshawn Wharton deal. That would

762
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: be a fun combination. But I don't want to get

763
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: ahead of ahead of myself here.

764
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 2: It is got Mike Jackson back.

765
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 3: Mike Jackson is.

766
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: Another one like just so many deals two for fourteen

767
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: for for Mike Jackson, who played pretty well at cornerback

768
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: for them. It is really funny being in this blue sky,

769
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: a little bit of Twitter environment.

770
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 3: But in the news and all this and.

771
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: Things get reported, you really have to know which insiders

772
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 1: you want to trust.

773
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 3: There's some there's some reports that are.

774
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 1: Coming out there and they're just on an island of

775
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: insider island, and that's not a good place to be

776
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: if they're on the inside or island. Don't join them.

777
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: Wait wait for the guys in Gouxy trust.

778
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying.

779
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, Team rap Sheet, That's all I'm saying.

780
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 2: Don't don't come like I know, don't talk to me

781
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 2: in Starbucks.

782
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 3: That's right, That's all I'm saying.

783
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 2: Like, you better try to leave what he came with.

784
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: You know, look, what was the insiders were given over

785
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks was that the Chargers were

786
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: going to be really aggressive trying to keep Khalil Mack

787
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: and that he would have a strong market.

788
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,240
Speaker 3: That turned out to be absolutely true. He got eighteen

789
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 3: million dollars.

790
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 1: I find it interesting that they hard chose Khalil Mack

791
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: over Joey Bosa. They essentially are eating some of Joey

792
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: Bosa's contract and they're paying partly to get rid of them,

793
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 1: to pay more money to Khalil Mack, who's older. Shout

794
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: out to Khalil Mack for just the longevity of an

795
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: outstanding career, and the Chargers who know him best saying

796
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: we want that guy.

797
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 3: We do not want to lose that guy.

798
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 2: I kind of wondered if if Khalil Mack was considering

799
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 2: the need in Chicago at Edge, would would be open

800
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 2: to going back to Chicago. Yeah, a certain point, but.

801
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: They got like the opposite type of player. I'm glad

802
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: you mentioned that though, because a Dingbo is just like

803
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: not a run stepper stopper at all, but is pure

804
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: pass rush. You're like whirling fury and is a nice

805
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: little compliment to Monte Sweat.

806
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 2: But yeah, even considering Khalil Mack's age, he would be

807
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 2: able to set edges in this league into his into

808
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 2: his forties, well into his force.

809
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: Play him like a little less because the last couple

810
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: of seasons there's been a trend where the first twelve

811
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: weeks of the season he's one of the best defensive

812
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: ends in the in the league. And it just just

813
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 1: you're asking a lot from the Charges. By the way,

814
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: we'll see if it happens by the time you guys

815
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: listen to this or by the time we take another

816
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: show supposedly in on Nase Harris.

817
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 3: We'll see.

818
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: But they haven't closed the deal yet. They brought back

819
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: tier Tart a good deal for them. They're just five

820
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: million dollars who played well for them, and Dante Jackson,

821
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: who's moved around at the bottom of the cornerback market

822
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: two for thirteen.

823
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 3: Smart move.

824
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: If you're Dante Jackson's agent, I have a feeling this

825
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: Jesse Mint or Jim harbad defense. It's like you put

826
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: him in on the Chargers and suddenly they have a

827
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,479
Speaker 1: lot more value. I think they made a a bunch

828
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: of free agents, including poona Ford a lot of money

829
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: this year, not that Puna doesn't deserve it.

830
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 3: We might as well go there, Poona. Ford got three

831
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 3: for thirty.

832
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: But from the Rams they also brought back Jimmy Garoppolo,

833
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: another weirdly reported contract. Ultimately, it's only like a four

834
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: or five million dollar deal with a ton of incentives

835
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 1: in at nine million dollars that probably, you know, helps

836
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: Jimmy G out if for some reason he has to

837
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: start a long time and play as well if Matthew

838
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: Stafford gets hurt, but Jimmy G back is the backup and.

839
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 2: Good get Davante in first and then sign.

840
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 3: It is really funny.

841
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,280
Speaker 1: I didn't watch Receiver in the end, but I watched

842
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: the social clips where DeVante just indirectly Jimmy Garoppolo and

843
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: now they're back together.

844
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, reunited. Sean McVay is the Healer of relations.

845
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: Shout out to Spencer Hall and he had this skit

846
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 1: we go and tweet on Blue Sky whatever whatever. It was,

847
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: just saying just talking about Jimmy G. You know what

848
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,919
Speaker 1: he could do, you know to really any human. It's

849
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: the magic hour. He's on Sunset Boulevard. Just Jimmy G.

850
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 2: Shout out to the dude.

851
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and poon A Ford love poon A Ford. This

852
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: is where I'm talking about the charge three years thirty million.

853
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: He was freely available for any team to sign in

854
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: the two previous seasons. Do you want to guess how

855
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: much he made combined in the last two seasons when

856
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: he was on my free agency list, by.

857
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 2: The way, like seven million dollars.

858
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: Less less than five million dollars. And now he goes

859
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: three for thirty and yet the way he played last year,

860
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: I think every team is kind of looking for those

861
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: run stoppers up front, so you can go a little lighter.

862
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: I know the Rams will like to do that. They

863
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: have these great pass rushers. Now you can put this

864
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 1: great pen, you know, just this force in the middle

865
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: around all those young guys. Like that move for the Rams.

866
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: I mentioned the Lions being in on Carlton Davis. Ultimately

867
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: they settle for DJ Reid. I think they had a price,

868
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: and maybe this was it. Three for forty eight for

869
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 1: DJ Reid thirty two million dollars guaranteed really not much

870
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: less than Carlton Davis just about three million dollars guaranteed

871
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: less six million dollars over in the over all deal.

872
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: Two guys I had right next to each other on

873
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: my top one one. Apparently the Lions are thinking the same.

874
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 1: We're just two two ball knowers, me and the Lions.

875
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, right right there, Brad Holmes, Greg Rosenthal's it just

876
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 2: makes sense.

877
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 3: Jets cornerback DJ Reid, I should mention.

878
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,479
Speaker 1: I do want to, you know understand that, Like DJ

879
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 1: Read's not a household name, He's a guy who arrived

880
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: from Seattle. One of the best free agent contracts I

881
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 1: would say of the last five years on the defensive

882
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 1: side was DJ Reid to the Jets. Fantastic production. You

883
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: do worry about You want to get him on that

884
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: second contract that was a little cheaper actually than necessarily

885
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: the third contract. As a cornerback gets old, the same

886
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: thing with Carlton Davis. He's getting older too, We'll see.

887
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 1: But DJ Reid was outstanding last year. Like you play

888
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: across from Sauce Gardner and you.

889
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 2: Haven't give a lot of action over there.

890
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 3: Literally, he was.

891
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: Targeted more than any cornerback in the league, and all

892
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: the numbers say he held up about as well as

893
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: any cornerback in the league.

894
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 3: So I like that move with the Lions.

895
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: Let's go to the offensive lineman got paid segment checks

896
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 1: of the show The Titans. They give Dan Moore, the

897
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: former Steelers left tackle, fifty million dollars guaranteed on an

898
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 1: eighty two million dollar four year deal. This was that

899
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: first contract of free agency early where everyone just started,

900
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 1: you know, making jokes.

901
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 3: Are you going to make jokes?

902
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 2: I'm not necessarily going to make jokes. I'm glad Dan's

903
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 2: going to get an opportunity to be to be compensated

904
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 2: and play for a team that potentially is going to take,

905
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 2: you know, their quarterback of the future number one overall.

906
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:41,720
Speaker 2: Perhaps this means that they're not done that Maybe.

907
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 1: I mean they're done at left tackle. I would think

908
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: they just gave them fifty million dollars guaranteed.

909
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,959
Speaker 2: You know, there's there's options, right, it can be moved

910
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 2: on to the other side, you can get another guy.

911
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm trying not to be derogatory, but

912
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,720
Speaker 2: it's it's tough considering the production in the last.

913
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: Year's He's a guy who's the Steelers were always looking

914
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: to replace but couldn't find someone better to replace. So

915
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: even though it's a lot of money, I actually put

916
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: this in the same bucket as some of those Patriots signings,

917
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: like he can play tackle, Like he's just a lot

918
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: more money than Morgan Moses, but he's a lot younger,

919
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: so it's more like four years of a Morgan Moses

920
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: level of just replacement level starter. And they do have

921
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: Brian Callahan's dad running the show here, and so you're

922
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: paying a premium to settle with a guy that's probably

923
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: closer to average.

924
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 3: But you have more.

925
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: You have JC Latham, who I think they wanted to

926
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: move back to right tackle, so now he probably moves

927
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: over there. He was a top ten pick. You have

928
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: Scronsky who they drafted high. You have Lloyd Kushenberry. Suddenly

929
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: your offensive line is looking okay, you have an offensive

930
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 1: line coach. And I think it's just they got to

931
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: spend that cap space too. They almost have too much

932
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: space and can't find so it's just filling a spot.

933
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: It's just like a little too much money.

934
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 3: But I don't know.

935
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: He clearly had a market. Yeah, it doesn't go there

936
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: in a vacuum. Other teams were willing to pay him.

937
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 1: It's telling that the Steelers were not one of those teams.

938
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you just have to evaluate it with the

939
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 2: the cap going up, and considering that there's a premium

940
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 2: to pay to not have to be overly concerned with

941
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 2: a need at that position at this point in the offseason,

942
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 2: and you can have somebody over there that's played a

943
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 2: lot of football. You know, maybe the offensive situation in

944
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh wasn't necessarily that great, and we didn't get the tape,

945
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 2: but the Callahans know, and they can evaluate talent up

946
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 2: front and they know something the rest of us.

947
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 3: Store, or they can coach it up. Yeah.

948
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 1: I think it's a positive and now feel bad Titans

949
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: fans are upset when I made a joke about it.

950
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: I want to update you on something that's breaking as

951
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: we tape this. Oh, Naja Harris is joining the Chargers

952
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: on a one year deal. Sources tell the insiders. How

953
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: about the partnership here between the insiders. They're not even

954
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: looking for credit.

955
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 3: It's a one year deal, Naja Harris. We'll see.

956
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 1: We heard it was going to be ahead of free

957
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: agency about you know, six to eight million, but they

958
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: don't have any money attached to it at least right.

959
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and an opportunity perhaps to see nase in an

960
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 2: offense with a you know, a fully functional and supported

961
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 2: quarterback where the needs are almost elsewhere at this point,

962
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 2: and in the offensive needs considering the way that lad

963
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 2: had a great rookie season. You're able to see guys

964
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 2: like Josh Palmer walk and they're able to fill needs

965
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 2: in other spots. So it's an exciting opportunity for the

966
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 2: Chargers and for Nase.

967
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: I'm told he's getting nine point twenty five million. I

968
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: want to see the all the deals on that up

969
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: to nine two point twenty five million. So the up

970
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: to is often doing a lot of work. I'm gonna

971
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: guess seven in like two and a half, that's been generous,

972
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: six to seven and you know.

973
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 2: Some incentives, some incentives five base.

974
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: But as the president of the Nase Harris Fan Club,

975
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: you gotta be thrilled because I think that's a great

976
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: spot for a running back.

977
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a it's a good spot with a

978
00:46:55,360 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 2: quarterback who's yeah, again, fully supported. I would you know,

979
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:04,760
Speaker 2: my qualms with the Greg Roman offense are passionately stated,

980
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 2: but the one thing that's going to do is put

981
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 2: Nause in a position to get the ball moving downhill

982
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 2: and play the way that he needs to play. And

983
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 2: so it's a chance for an offensive player to be

984
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,240
Speaker 2: liberated from his you know, previous regime.

985
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 1: You know what Herbert is great at. What's that mix

986
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: and tempo? Playing fast? If he wants to, we got

987
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: to challenge ourselves to do that the rest of the show,

988
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: because yes, there's more transactions on this show than literally

989
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: any other. And so I don't mind if it's a

990
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: little long, but it is time.

991
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 2: We'll get you your time back.

992
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,720
Speaker 1: We're gonna We're gonna go. Aaron Banks four years, seventy

993
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: seven million dollars. He's a guard who played the last

994
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: handful of seasons his entire rookie contract for the forty

995
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: nine Ers as a starter was a late round pick.

996
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 1: I admit I ranked him too low in my top

997
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 1: one oh one. He ended up at ninety eight. I'm

998
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: glad I got him in there. He got massive money.

999
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: The Packers also gave Nate Hobbs, who was on our

1000
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: friend Ali Connolly's list the free agents he would like

1001
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: to sign.

1002
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 3: And I like that pick too. I thought I had

1003
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 3: him rated quite high on my list.

1004
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: Four years, forty eight million dollars in the abs slot

1005
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 1: cornerback for the Packers was with the Raiders previously. But yeah, man,

1006
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: like if you I don't know if your son Malcolm

1007
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: is going to be built to play football or not,

1008
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: but just just keep feeding them, get him to play guard. Yeah,

1009
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: if you're just like a halfway decent guard, you're going

1010
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: to get twenty million dollars a year.

1011
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 2: Well, the issue is a lot of these guards were tackles,

1012
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 2: and you know that's a part of the evaluation as well,

1013
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 2: So you still have to be able to get that evaluation.

1014
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 2: But it's We talked about the departure from Santa Clara

1015
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 2: earlier today on The Insiders, like it's real.

1016
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about it while we're here. Just Banks,

1017
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: Aaron Banks, who was their starting guard. I don't think

1018
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: they were extending to sign him. Diebo got traded last week.

1019
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: Of course, taloneou Funga we haven't mentioned, but he's going

1020
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: to the Broncos. So is Drake green Law. We'll talk

1021
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: about them in a second. Elijah Mitchell is gone, Charvarius

1022
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 1: Ward is gone. Jalen Moore, their left tackle in waiting

1023
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: behind Trent Williams is now the left tackle of the Chiefs.

1024
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 3: That is a lot going out the window.

1025
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: What is happening with the San Francisco this offseason, got

1026
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: a free up space for double Bosa. They are resetting.

1027
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: They are resetting now. I don't think they're going to

1028
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: try to compete, but they are resetting. They are not

1029
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: paying some of the guys that you would expect them

1030
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: to pay.

1031
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 3: We'll see.

1032
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: On the Packers, I think there was a couple of

1033
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: players they maybe missed out on. Man, that's a lot

1034
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 1: of money for Aaron Banks. But when they lost Elkton

1035
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: Jenkins in that playoff game and everything kind of fell

1036
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 1: apart against Philadelphia, they really trying to improve their depth.

1037
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: Bill's had a weird day. Josh Palmer got eighteen million

1038
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: dollars guaranteed at wide receiver three for thirty six. You know,

1039
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: when Jeremiah's in this studio kind of being like, Eh,

1040
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: Palmer's just the guy that doesn't make me feel great.

1041
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: And then Michael Hoyt, who's a nice role player for

1042
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: the ra as a like list it as a defensive tackle,

1043
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: and yet I remember him, you know, covering tight ends

1044
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,399
Speaker 1: and running backs in space three for twenty four from

1045
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 1: the Bills, two of the signings of the day.

1046
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 3: I was like, huh, okay, Bhils, Yeah, you.

1047
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 2: Asked for my biggest surprise of free agency three for

1048
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 2: thirty for Josh Palmer. Yeah. I wasn't mentally prepared for that,

1049
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 2: considering the right things have looked.

1050
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: Okay, So eighteen million dollars guaranteed when we get to

1051
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 1: see it eventually, is it closer to well, eighteen guaranteed.

1052
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: Is it closer to two for eighteen or two for twenty?

1053
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: The crazy thing is, and we're trying to figure this out.

1054
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 1: In terms of veterans, I think of rotational three slash

1055
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: four that's about the price now is ten million dollars.

1056
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:44,919
Speaker 3: So I think I just have to wrap my mind

1057
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 3: around it. Is he a good one of those or not?

1058
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 1: He ultimately didn't step up when the Chargers were really

1059
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 1: hoping to have him step up with a new coaching staff,

1060
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 1: a good coaching stuff last year, so we will see.

1061
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 3: The weirdest trade of the day was the Browns and

1062
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 3: the Eagles. How he did it again?

1063
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: The Browns traded a fifth and Dorian Thompson Robinson, who

1064
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 1: I'd rather have than Kenny Pickett for Kenny Pickett.

1065
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 2: You would rather have dtr than Kenny Picktt.

1066
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 3: I don't want Kenny.

1067
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 2: I'm prepared to say a lot of things about Kenny Pickett,

1068
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 2: but considering the way things have for DTR and est

1069
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 2: si Leiano pointed out that the one DTR win came

1070
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 2: against Kenny Pickett and the Steelers. But that being said,

1071
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 2: it's been a rough go for DTR in Cleveland, and

1072
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 2: I'm just wondering, why why either of these guys?

1073
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 1: Well, why a fifth round? Fifth round? Why is a

1074
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: fifth round pick involved? I know it's only a fifth

1075
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 1: round pick. By the way, everyone should check out our

1076
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: friend Andrews new YouTube show at Ceciliano Show, huge fan, why.

1077
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 3: Are you giving up a fifth for Kenny Pickett at all?

1078
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: I'm standing by my take, not that I think DTR

1079
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: has been impressive, but I was so unimpressed. I Canny

1080
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: Pickett in Philadelphia, which is the best place to be

1081
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:05,879
Speaker 1: a quarterback. And by the way, this is a vote

1082
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: of confidence for Tanner McKee, who I think is gonna

1083
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 1: have a good career as a backup. I bet DTR

1084
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: and Philadelphia will look better than Kenny Pickett looked in Philadelphia.

1085
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:15,280
Speaker 3: Let's go to the Giants.

1086
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: Paulson a debo, the former Saint who's coming off a

1087
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: serious injury, gets three years, thirty million dollars. Curious on

1088
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: the structure of that because it also said pending a

1089
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,399
Speaker 1: physical when the team released it, and he is coming

1090
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: off a big injury, so that one is just keeping

1091
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: an eye on it. Roy Robertson Harris goes to the Giants,

1092
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: Darius Slayton, this cracked me up. Is back on three years,

1093
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 1: thirty six million dollar contract.

1094
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 2: He can't get away, which makes me believe that they

1095
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 2: have told Darius, you know, a quarterback might be impending.

1096
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Speaker 1: What you think Darius Slayton is dictating terms of quarterbacks

1097
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 1: in a year.

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00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 2: No, I just I just think Darius Slayton could have

1099
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 2: had a great opportunity to go be successful somewhere else,

1100
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 2: and he was convinced to come back to New York

1101
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 2: where he has led them in receiving for every season

1102
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,879
Speaker 2: that he's been in the league except for the one,

1103
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 2: and it's almost been despite.

1104
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, they always bury him. I shout out to the

1105
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: guys at the podcast talking Giants. I enjoy that, but

1106
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: they always laugh because every coaching staff tries to put

1107
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 1: Slayton as the number four guy, the number three guy.

1108
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 1: They don't want to bring him back. Then a GM

1109
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: doesn't like him, and then every year he's literally the

1110
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: best receiver on the team until Molik Nighbors show up,

1111
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: and then he was the second best receiver, and the

1112
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: Giants are like, you know, who's pretty good and it's

1113
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 1: worth a really solid role player type of contract.

1114
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 3: Three for thirty six Darius freaking Slayton.

1115
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:36,240
Speaker 2: And that's why so surprising about the Josh Palmer numbers,

1116
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,240
Speaker 2: because if you look in your total, it's the exact

1117
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 2: same number.

1118
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 3: Satan's a much better player, I agree.

1119
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 2: And that's that's what blows my mind about. And again,

1120
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,919
Speaker 2: Josh Palmer could be great this season and Buffalo would

1121
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 2: have all the success in the world, But it feels

1122
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 2: like Darius Slayton the football player is more valuable than this.

1123
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,399
Speaker 1: A debo is the type of contract I often say

1124
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: teams should make in free agency. Number one, a guy

1125
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: who's show own it at the high level. He looked

1126
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: like a pro bowler in twenty three. Number two he's

1127
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,959
Speaker 1: a bit of a distressed asset. And number three he's young.

1128
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: It's really hard actually to combine all those things. He's

1129
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 1: played well, but he's not at peak value right now. Unfortunately,

1130
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: it's because of an injury, but you know, we've seen

1131
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: NFL players respond well to injuries. It's a three year contract.

1132
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: I think that is a risk, if it even is

1133
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: one at that price worth taking. Really like that, really

1134
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: like the Charvarius Ward signing for the Colts three years

1135
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: sixty million dollars, waiting on the guaranteed for that. They

1136
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: also signed Cam bying them four years sixty million dollars.

1137
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: One of their beat writers, Nate Ackens, pointed out, these

1138
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: are the two biggest free agent investments in the nine

1139
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: year history of Chris Ballard as the general manager of

1140
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: the Colts. And it's not just like in the secondary,

1141
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: they are both the biggest investments at all in the secondary,

1142
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: just period free agency. They've never spent this kind of money.

1143
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: That's a GM who knows the top clock is tick.

1144
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: But two really good players. I talked about Ward as

1145
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: one of the free agents I would most like to

1146
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:06,439
Speaker 1: go after because I think he's due for a bounce

1147
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: back here.

1148
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, two huge parts of the secondaries that they depart.

1149
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 2: And when we were talking about the Colts last week,

1150
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 2: you describe their draft strategy as they stay where they are,

1151
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 2: and I said that was an entire franchise strategy. But

1152
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 2: shout out to Chris Ballard for bucking that trend. Here.

1153
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 2: The off season for the Colts is not just blaming

1154
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson. They're gonna work on improving the roster, which

1155
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 2: is good.

1156
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 1: I am curious what else they're going to do. But

1157
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: those were two guys that I think fit into any

1158
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: secondary You always worry about bringing a guy in at

1159
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 1: corner or safety. Are they gonna fit what they do?

1160
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: And those two guys I think are very smart, very

1161
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: scheme versatile, welcome to JAG's corner. They were aggressive. They

1162
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: supposedly gave Jordan Lewis the biggest cornerback contract for a

1163
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: Nickel in NFL history, and it was three for thirty,

1164
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 1: And I'm like, how is that a fact?

1165
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 3: That's that's not true.

1166
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: First of all, Derwin James is like an ego Nate

1167
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,919
Speaker 1: Hobbs top that I don't think that's true. I also,

1168
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 1: it's a twenty million and guarantees not guaranteed, it's up

1169
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: to thirty. So I think Cowboys fans that say what

1170
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis got, that he's coming off a good year,

1171
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: by the way, and is beloved as just kind of

1172
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 1: a glue guy and a locker room leader. So I

1173
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 1: like that the Jags are trying to add that. I

1174
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 1: suspect when you peak under the hood, it's not going

1175
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: to be nearly as much money as it looks like.

1176
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 1: Weird though, because they have two guys who already played

1177
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: the slot there, Jerry and Jones, a recent draft pick,

1178
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: and Darnell Savage. They also got Diami Brown one year,

1179
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: ten million dollars. Patrick McCary gets three years thirty seven

1180
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: million dollars, twenty million guaranteed. He was both a guard

1181
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: and a tackle for the Ravens. It sounds like he's

1182
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: getting slotted into guard, which makes doesn't make a lot

1183
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: of sense to me. He was thought he was better

1184
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: at tackle. And then Robert Hainsey, a former center for

1185
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: the Bucks, gets three for twenty one. So just I

1186
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: think I'm missing some Jag signings, but hell, we have

1187
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: this whole offseason to get to him if I did. Yeah,

1188
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: a lot of jack signings.

1189
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 2: Very very busy for the Jags, and you know, congratulations

1190
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 2: to Jordan Lewis's agent for having everybody say that this

1191
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 2: is the biggest nickel deal.

1192
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 1: Okay, we talked about the biggest deal in terms of Nickels.

1193
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 1: We actually haven't hit one of the biggest contracts of

1194
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:15,800
Speaker 1: the entire day so far. We will do that after

1195
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: the break. It's some next level radio stuff right there.

1196
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: Most podcasts don't even say we're gonna have a break.

1197
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: Maybe we shouldn't. Like I was saying before the break,

1198
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 1: these are the moves that shapen off season. It all

1199
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: happens in one week and then we spend like four

1200
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: or five months kind of picking it over and how

1201
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: does it all work together. So it's just first reactions here,

1202
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: and my first reaction is that from the Denver Broncos

1203
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: is that they're just trying to rebuild the forty nine

1204
00:57:55,000 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: ers defense because DJ Jones, who they re signed late

1205
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: Sunday night, right after we finished recording a defensive tackle

1206
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: three years, thirty nine million dollars twenty six guaranteed.

1207
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 3: That's kind of the going rate.

1208
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: By the way, all the like solid five to six

1209
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: hundred snap defensive linemen that aren't stars but are good players,

1210
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: they all got about twenty six million dollars guaranteed thirteen

1211
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: per year.

1212
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 3: So that was just the going rate. And then, as

1213
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 3: I mentioned a little earlier, on the forty nine Ers.

1214
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: They bring Tellaneo Hufanga, who had a bigger market than

1215
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: I expected, twenty million dollars guaranteed.

1216
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 3: Safeties did pretty well. Finally in free agency.

1217
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: We talked about it going into free agency that off

1218
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: ball linebackers and safeties were really good in this class,

1219
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: and they did get paid three forty five for him

1220
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: to the Broncos. Drake Greenlaw also goes there three for

1221
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: thirty nine. Suddenly this is just like a nastier defense.

1222
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 3: It was already a.

1223
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: Good defense, and now it's got like a little extra attitude.

1224
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: They're not resting on their laurels.

1225
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 2: There No, and we I said it during the Insiders

1226
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 2: on Monday, if Drake Greenlaw doesn't Terry's Achilles jogging back

1227
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 2: on the field, I think the forty nine Ers win

1228
00:58:58,720 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 2: that game.

1229
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 3: I take Super Bowl.

1230
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 2: I don't even know if it's that hot of a take.

1231
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 2: The margins were very small. You know, the defense was impacted.

1232
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 2: I think Fred was emotional about it, and he comes

1233
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 2: back after the Achilles tear and the Achilles injury with

1234
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 2: Rogers and Cousins. I think a lot of people looked

1235
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 2: at it as being like this end and you're going

1236
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 2: to need a season. Plus Dray looked pretty good considering

1237
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 2: what he was coming back from at the end of

1238
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 2: last season.

1239
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, the three quarters he played where electric against the Rams.

1240
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 1: Unfortunately got hurt again with the cap, so there's a

1241
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: lot of risk there. And yet, Yeah, these contracts. It's

1242
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: funny Jamian Sherwood who signed on Sunday night for the

1243
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: for the Jets, he actually got more guaranteed money in

1244
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: his contract than Fred Warner did his last extension. And

1245
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: so Fred Warner is looking at like what just happened

1246
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 1: to the off ball linebacker market. So there's these cascading

1247
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 1: effects where these contracts come out and then there's going

1248
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 1: to be players around the league that aren't too happy

1249
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: about it. And that's that's some of the stuff we'll

1250
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 1: be talking about down the stretch. But yeah, the forty

1251
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: nine ers have a while off season, a total exodus,

1252
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 1: and we're being told as we're taping this, Kyle Yuschek

1253
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: is getting released, oh by the forty nine ers. So

1254
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: that's another long time forty nine er. One of the

1255
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: few remaining from the twenty nineteen Super Bowl run that

1256
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 1: was on the team is no longer.

1257
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 3: Let's keep it with teams you know that used to

1258
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 3: be in the Bay Area.

1259
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: The Raiders, they keep Malcolm Koontz on a one year,

1260
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: twelve thirteen million dollars deal. They watch Morig go out

1261
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: the door, and they signed Jeremy Chin at Safety to

1262
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: you know, a vastly cheaper contract.

1263
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 3: What was the what was the numbers on Chin? I

1264
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 3: don't two years up to sixteen, thank you.

1265
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: That's that's why we got Patrick always always rebounding my missus,

1266
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 1: you know.

1267
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 2: Well that was you know, that was my job growing

1268
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 2: up because you couldn't shoot, so you had to do that.

1269
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 2: They get Alex Kappa as well on a relatively low

1270
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 2: deal for two years and eleven million dollars. And you know,

1271
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 2: it's all positive in Vegas because they get.

1272
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 1: That you're just you're just you're just Tatum crashing the

1273
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 1: boards those big big shoulders after like a missed Peyton

1274
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 1: Pritchard three or.

1275
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 2: Something, and he's got the green light. I could not

1276
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 2: be accompised to any green lighted guys.

1277
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 3: Okay, I like those I like those two deals by

1278
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 3: the Raiders.

1279
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: I know some of their fans are upset that some

1280
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: good defenders are leaving Hobbs was injured at times there.

1281
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 1: I guess I just want to give Pete Carroll the

1282
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt, especially in terms of building a defense.

1283
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: They're obviously willing to spend. Let's see what the rest

1284
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 1: of their offseason looks like. The Cardinals and this was

1285
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: the contract I was referring to before the break we

1286
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 1: had mentioned. Josh Switt got forty one million dollars guaranteed

1287
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 1: four years, seventy seven million dollars. You can basically expect

1288
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: that he's getting paid about twenty million dollars a year

1289
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: over the next two years. They struck out on Milton Williams.

1290
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,439
Speaker 1: They were reportedly deep into that one, and they used

1291
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 1: some of that money on Josh Sweat, who was obviously

1292
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 1: with Jonathan Gannon back in Philadelphia. And they need some

1293
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Speaker 1: defensive players so that they're not the search bar next.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we learned a lot about the search bar,

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01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 2: the shout out to, you know, the ability to learn.

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Speaker 2: They get Bayarn Browning to come back, as well as

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Speaker 2: Joey Blunt, and so they keep some of those guys,

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Speaker 2: but they add the talent, which is where they need

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Speaker 2: to be. It's just time to finally see it. And

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Speaker 2: I don't think they're done.

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Speaker 1: No, no, all these teams were going to be back

1302
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Speaker 1: every single day this week. They're just getting going. So

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01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 1: don't don't give the grades. Don't be upset about what

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Speaker 1: your team didn't do on Day one, Day one, Free

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01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 1: Agents Day one, Day two, Day two, Day three, Day four.

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Speaker 3: They matter too.

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Speaker 1: BJ Hill is back with the Bengals, three for thirty three.

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Speaker 1: Again I mentioned those rotational kind of defensive lineman. Sixteen

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Speaker 1: million dollars guaranteed, very similar contract. Although you look at

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Speaker 1: that and you're like, can you just give some of

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Speaker 1: that money to Trey Hendrickson. Let's just figure it out

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01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 1: your star instead of your rotational guy who's like thirty

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Speaker 1: one years old. But the idea that you can do both.

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Speaker 1: Because BJ Hill has been a good player for them.

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01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 1: The Saints traded for the Patriots run stopper Devon Godshaw.

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01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 1: They gave up a seventh round pick, and I believe

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Speaker 1: they're gonna redo his contract, and he was excited. You

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01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: got to name the ends in au X. That's Respot

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01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 1: going to New Orleans and he is he is from

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Speaker 1: New he is from Louisiana. Rather, that's the place to

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01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 1: be an elite run stopper in the seasons that he's

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01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: been elite, which have been more years from not and

1323
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: than not, and then for whatever reason, it'll have these

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01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 1: down years and his team not too happy with him,

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Speaker 1: But overall, I think they'll get good value out of him.

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01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: And our our reporter slash producer Eric Roberts lets me

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Speaker 1: know that Chase Young is going back to the Saints,

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Speaker 1: that that's happening.

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Speaker 3: As we trade. It doesn't matter. I mean, as we tape,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't matter how late we tape.

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Speaker 1: The these items are gonna keep coming. Are are not

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Speaker 1: stopping on Monday Night. It's it's a three year, fifty

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Speaker 1: one million dollars deal for Chase Young.

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Speaker 3: Again.

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01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 1: I want to see the guarantees because I just can't

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01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 1: believe that Chase Young commands more than one year of

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01:03:57,400 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 1: good guaranteed money. He's getting a raise off of what

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Speaker 1: he got last year in free agency.

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Speaker 3: But I don't know.

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01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 1: I guess I gotta see that it doesn't say the

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01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 1: guaranteed money, and that's usually a bad sign for the

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01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 1: player relatively. I'm just saying, if he's getting three years

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01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 1: for fifty one Chase Young, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, we just talked about like your standard issue

1345
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 2: defensive time. That's fair kind of warning. Twenty six and

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01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 2: Chase Young, you know, electing not to take because you

1347
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 2: know that you do the comp with Jadavian Clowney, maybe

1348
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 2: like a Stefan Gilmore where it's like you can get

1349
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 2: to that one year mercenary type spot. You know, Chase

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01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 2: Young kind of saw his career kind of come back

1351
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,479
Speaker 2: to him a little bit and he'll stay there.

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01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 1: Somehow, only twenty five years old. This generation Sammy Watkins

1353
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 1: where you're just like, what, how He's only going to

1354
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 1: be twenty eight at the end of this deal?

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Speaker 3: How is that?

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01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 1: How is that even possible? You know, we haven't talked

1357
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: a lot of vikings on this show. They bring Isaiah

1358
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 1: Rodgers in from the Eagles, who is good in a

1359
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 1: supplementary role two for fifteen and just kind of as

1360
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 1: a third fourth cornerback. Ryan Kelly, the Colts center, comes

1361
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 1: in two for eighteen. Like that move for them rare value.

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01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 1: I know there's risk with the injuries, but.

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Speaker 2: It's a really good football player. And yeah, the position

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01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 2: of lead need for a lot of folks where Okay,

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01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:17,439
Speaker 2: if it works, that's incredible. If it doesn't, it's two years,

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Speaker 2: eighteen million.

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01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Garrett Bradbury, their old first round pick, probably

1368
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: is getting benched or moved to guard Byron Murphy. And

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01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 1: again I'm springing this on you, Patrick as we're taping

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Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl. MVP of the Pro Bowl Games on

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01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 1: defense is going back to Minnesota three years, sixty six

1372
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Speaker 1: million dollars. A rare guy that's getting two good free

1373
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 1: agent deals.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: He's also a rare guy who kind of bet on

1376
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 1: himself last time with a good two year deal, was

1377
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 1: hoping to get even more the next time around while

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01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 1: he's still in his twenties.

1379
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 2: And he did it. And I was worried when you

1380
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 2: started to say his name, I'm like, wow, are they

1381
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 2: losing Murphy and Cambinel. But no, they get at least

1382
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 2: one back and that's a big part of their secondary

1383
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 2: and that they had to they had to keep some

1384
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 2: of those.

1385
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Speaker 3: He was really good.

1386
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 2: More questions, they answered, Minnesota.

1387
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Speaker 3: You know what he is.

1388
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 1: And they say this about every undersized cornerback, scrappy, feisty.

1389
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 1: He's feisty. That means he's small.

1390
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 2: All those short people sneak disses that.

1391
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Speaker 3: We see you, We see you out there. The Chiefs.

1392
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 3: The Chiefs signed Jalen Moore at left tackle. This was

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01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 3: a surprise.

1394
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 1: He when twenty one million dollars guaranteed on a two year,

1395
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 1: thirty million dollar contract. So if you don't know who

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01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 1: Jalen Moore is, he played at the end of last

1397
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 1: season when Trent Williams was not playing, so he got

1398
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 1: five starts, and those five starts got him thirty million

1399
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 1: dollars because otherwise he was on the bench.

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Speaker 3: I kind of like the idea behind it.

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01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 2: Now.

1402
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 1: The Chiefs were reportedly in on Ronnie Stanley and then

1403
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 1: that didn't happen, And it's almost like when the Patriots

1404
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 1: drafted Matt Castle. It's like this guy's that had barely

1405
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 1: even been on the field, but they saw something they

1406
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 1: like and Jalen Moore and they paid him handsomely. So

1407
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 1: it's either going to be a great deal or a

1408
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 1: terrible deal. That's my prediction.

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01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 2: It just feels like, and I know that there's sponsor

1410
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 2: they've spent elsewhere, but the Chiefs have been like bargain

1411
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 2: hunting at tackle with their generationally gifted quarterback the best

1412
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 2: of all time, and it feels like stop doing that.

1413
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, whatever, I'll take it.

1414
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 1: They also signed Elijah Mitchell, the former forty nine er.

1415
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 1: There's another guy who's leaving the forty nine ers at

1416
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 1: running back. He'll just speak kind of a backup. Zach Wilson,

1417
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 1: speaking of backups, got six million dollars guaranteed to be

1418
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 1: the Dolphins quarterback. If Sean Payton and Mike McDaniel can't

1419
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:38,439
Speaker 1: fix you, you can't be fixed.

1420
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 2: That was the answer to the Stidham versus Zach Wilson

1421
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 2: quarterback battle that ultimately bon Nixon was like, hey, better

1422
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 2: than both of these guys.

1423
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 1: Stidham, by the way back back with the Broncos. I

1424
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 1: forgot that one two for twelve. So Sean Payne really

1425
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 1: does like him as as a backup quarterback and good

1426
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 1: career if you can get it. Another former Bronco, Javonte

1427
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 1: Williams signed with the Cowboys. That's up to three million.

1428
01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 1: That's really backup running back money. If anything, that sort

1429
01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 1: of spells out to me. They could still take one

1430
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 1: in the draft, and you know, just some other little deals.

1431
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 1: Brown's will cut Dalvin Tomlinson, He'll hit my top one one.

1432
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers will get cut one of these days. Evan

1433
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 1: Brown was an offensive lineman who resigned with the Cardinals.

1434
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 1: Braden Smith is back with the Colts on a rework

1435
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 1: deal a tackle and I guess one last note is

1436
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:26,559
Speaker 1: it was reported nothing's really changed that Cooper Cup will

1437
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 1: be released on Wednesday. No trade has materialized. They're looking

1438
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 1: like they're just waiting till the last minute for Cooper Cup.

1439
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 1: I question if the market's going to be as strong

1440
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:42,760
Speaker 1: for him as fans and other beat writers seem to

1441
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 1: think it is. People are like slotting him in as

1442
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:47,599
Speaker 1: like a number one or a two or a difference maker.

1443
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 1: He's he's barely going to crack the top one oh one,

1444
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:53,479
Speaker 1: and that's mostly just out of respect. But I'm putting

1445
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:56,599
Speaker 1: in below Keenan Allen. I'm putting in below Mike Williams,

1446
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 1: like toward towards the bottom regions of the top one

1447
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 1: oh one, kind of a role player.

1448
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:02,759
Speaker 3: I think at this point of his career, I'll.

1449
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 2: Make a case, okay for Cooper Cup two. He's not

1450
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:08,680
Speaker 2: going to be at the point of impact in the

1451
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 2: run game anymore. Hopefully, if somebody's giving him a big deal,

1452
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 2: he'll be able to go out there and run routes

1453
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:16,639
Speaker 2: and be a receiver, hopefully keep him on the field,

1454
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 2: limit those impacts and have him be a guy that

1455
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 2: can get open and know where he's going to be.

1456
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 2: And there's value in that. Josh Palmer again got three years,

1457
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 2: thirty six million.

1458
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 1: All right, let's stop talking until and then, you know,

1459
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:33,439
Speaker 1: just to prevent anything else happening. There's there is no

1460
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:37,560
Speaker 1: right time to tape the podcast Patrick, fortunately or unfortunately,

1461
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 1: depending on how you look at it. So that is

1462
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 1: everything that has happened as of right now, as of

1463
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 1: ninety five Eastern time. That's when we're taping it, six

1464
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:50,760
Speaker 1: forty five on the best coast out here.

1465
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 3: Let's be off with the day. Play play that music.

1466
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 2: Eric.

1467
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 3: We will be back on Tuesday. You love him, you

1468
01:09:59,000 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 3: know him.

1469
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 1: It's George Rodrigue of the Athletic and Colleen Wolf's day

1470
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 1: in the studio. We'll wrap up everything that happens on Tuesday,

1471
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 1: you know. Until then, Look when we're trying to save

1472
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson's career again, you know, football is back.

1473
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 3: Didn't hit the post