WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Lost Treasures 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:03.960 Thinking Sideways is not supported by defeating the Huns. Instead, 0:00:04.040 --> 0:00:07.039 it's supported by the generous donations of our listeners on Patreon. 0:00:07.280 --> 0:00:10.119 Visit patreon dot com slash Thinking Sideways to learn more 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:20.680 and thanks Thinking Sideways. I don't understand you never know 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:31.240 what stories of things. We simply don't know the answer too. Hey, 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:34.960 and welcome again to another episode of Thinking Sideways. I 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:40.040 am Steve, of course, joined by Devon Joe, and once 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:42.680 again we have a mystery. We have several mess We 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:46.160 actually have several mysteries that time again, it is where 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:48.680 we do what do we call these are a group 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:53.280 show shorts? I never can remember because we frequently I 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:56.440 never I don't know. It doesn't really matter. Two different 0:00:56.480 --> 0:00:58.600 kinds of group shows, right, we did that's kind and 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:01.200 we do the like we have this week. The kind 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:03.240 of group show we're doing is where each of us 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:06.560 has a small mystery and they're all kind of related. 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:10.280 There's a theme that the theme has lost treasures. There's 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:12.120 a lot of lost treasure out there, by the way, 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:14.880 there is, and so we're unfortunately just going to cover 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:18.240 three treasures. Shall we just go ahead and jump into this. 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:21.160 Let's talk about some lost treasure. All right, well, I 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:25.320 guess I guess I'll start Yeah, please do Okay, what 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:27.480 are we talking? What are you talking about? Well, I 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:31.040 am going to be talking about the supposed lost gallon 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:35.520 of pearls in the Salt and Seas full of pearls? 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:40.120 How many pearls? A lot? Like millions lots? Do you 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:42.920 know the worth of the pearls? No? Estimated? No, we 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:47.920 don't know. It's a little it's it's it's a little thin. 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:50.800 Here's here's the basic idea. If you don't know where 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:52.880 the Salt and Sea is, it's probably something you should 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:57.400 know right away. It's in southern California. It's near the 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:01.920 Mexico California border. It's all so right there, not too 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:07.080 far away from the coast, and technically it can connect 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:09.839 to the Gulf of California. So yeah, it's a weird 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:12.280 little spur that comes off the edge of the continent. 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:14.799 That's right where it's at. Yeah. Yeah, So and then 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:20.520 that little area sort of maybe theoretically floods and and so, 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:24.000 just so we're clear, A galleon is this big Spanish ship. 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:28.760 They're that big six hundreds era ships. I don't know 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:30.960 why isn't there a coin that was called a galleon 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:33.760 some kind of coin that was called a galleon at 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:35.840 one point? No, am I making that up? Is that 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:38.080 a fantasy thing? It's probably fantasy, might be a fantasy thing, 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:40.120 but I think there's a coin that has a similar name. 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:43.000 But there are some things as like a galleon of 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:46.920 gas and a galleon of whiskey. Yeah, the galleon of whiskey. 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:51.480 I'm very familiar. Yeah, yeah, okay, sorry, I just wanted 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:53.640 to clarify. That's all right, So here's let's let's get 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:58.520 into the story. This story is that evidently in the 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:03.799 eighteen hundreds there were a lot of people flooding across 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:07.600 the country, and these people were coming through the California area. 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:09.600 We've got things like the gold rush going on to 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:14.280 everybody's just milling about, and all of these stories started 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:19.160 cropping up of the ship in the desert. So it's 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:21.400 actually in the desert, it's not in the water. What 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:23.800 are you laughing at? I looked it at the Harry Potter. 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:29.240 It's the currency in Harry Potter is I was just 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:30.840 laughing at the fact that, of course I made a 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:37.000 Harry Potter refference without even realizing. Back to the story 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:42.120 Harry Potter, So, well, all these people say they see 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:45.120 the galleon, did anybody take a picture of it with 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:50.880 their cell phone? No, lady had the terrible cameras in 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:55.120 the eighteen hundreds. So according to some research out there, 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:59.600 in the early sixteen hundreds, King Philip of Spain, I 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.880 think Philip the third, he had sent a whole bunch 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:06.720 of ships to the America's. One of those ships was 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:13.800 going around and hunting for pearls. So that was kind 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:16.080 of the thing with the Spanish Empire is like they 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:20.360 decides running Mexico. They also they also took over the 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:23.400 Philippines and they took basically they plundered all the gold 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:25.960 out of the Philippines and brought it back to Spain 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:30.440 via Mexico. And speaking of Spanish galleons, there there is 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:33.520 actually a Spanish galleon buried in the sea or buried 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:38.200 in the on the beach at Manzanita. Oh yeah, there is, Yeah, 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:42.960 was about Yeah, I think it is. It. Don't look 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:44.960 at me like that, I know it. Yeah, but it 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:50.120 actually exists, It is really there, just probably full of stuff. Yeah, yeah, 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:52.200 that's the whole thing. It was there was a storm 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:54.480 in the nineteen thirties and it was partially uncovered, and 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:57.760 and and people became aware of it, and there was 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:00.520 not there was no money to actually take it out, 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:03.080 and so it's of course it's still there. And who 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:04.880 knows what's it that there might there might be all 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:07.760 kinds of gold in there, there might be treasure. But yeah, 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:10.240 there's there's there're Spanish gallions all over the place. There 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:11.839 were a lot of them out there, So there's this 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:13.840 one could be for real. Well I thought that it 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:16.560 was full of pearls. Well here's here's the thing is that, 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:20.719 according to the story, the king's orders these ships in 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:23.559 sixteen ten is the year now that I'm rereading my notes. 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:26.599 And he hires a couple of guys and one of 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:29.120 them is a gentleman by the name of Wanda a 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:34.120 Tubre and Pedro there was resolves. He sends them off 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:36.719 in three ships that have a bunch of pearl divers 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:39.640 on them. Uh. They go up and down the coast 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:44.240 of California and Mexico. They're diving for pearls. They're evidently 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:49.400 getting huge halls, and eventually they meet the natives and 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:53.200 it turns out the natives had been taking pearls at 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:56.520 you know, because pearls are in in oysters, I suddenly 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:59.479 couldn't think of what they were in. Sorry pause, And 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:01.960 they just thought they were useless. So they were throwing 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:03.960 them on the ground and they had piles and piles 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:07.360 of these things around. Well, actually technically they are. They 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:11.120 are really useless. That's pretty They have no value to 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:14.240 them as they you know, because we say they have 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:17.440 value now that they have just like diamonds. I'm actually 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:19.479 kind of surprised that that that they saw them that way, 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:23.320 because I mean, don't forget that that we bought Manhattan 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:26.920 for a bunch of little trinkets and like stuff like that. 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:30.440 So I'm kind of surprised that they just discarded them. Well, yeah, 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:33.800 I don't know, but I know is that, according to 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:38.839 the story, they decided to trade for all these pearls, 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:42.960 and what they did is they swindled the natives, shocking, 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:48.039 and they gave them rags and junk and all of 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:52.720 this sound like history at all, but actually from from 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:55.480 the natives perspective, they probably actually got a good deal 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:57.440 because you know, a rag is something you can actually 0:06:57.440 --> 0:06:59.279 mop up a mess with whereas you can't do that 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:03.720 with the pearl. True, but they didn't take kindly to this, 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:06.760 and they attacked the Spanish because they figured out they 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:10.120 had been swindled, and a bunch of them were injured, 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:13.800 and they ran and a bunch of these guys said, hey, 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:15.160 we need to go home, We need to go back 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:19.960 to Spain. According to the story, though, the guy that 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:23.120 was in charge of this, his name was Alvarez Cordone, 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:26.239 he said, no, we're going to continue on. I've been injured, 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:29.679 I don't care. Go up the gulf and keep looking 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:32.880 for more pearls. So they do that. Well, eventually one 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:35.240 of the ships hits a reef it goes down, So 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:39.000 now we've only got two ships. And they keep going 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:42.440 on and they continue up what is now the Gulf 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:46.720 of California. They get into this weird inland sea they're 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:51.560 hanging about, and they realized that this place isn't what 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:53.160 we need to be and they want to go back 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:58.120 down the gulf, except the water level has dropped and 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:02.200 they realized that they get out and the sea is 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:05.800 sinking around their ship. Yeah, I could see that happening, 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:08.200 you know, in southern California. Depending at the time of 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:10.760 the year, it actually gets a lot of rain, like 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:14.960 in January, and uh, I could see where it could 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:18.240 actually be navigable for a short period of time. Well 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:20.240 here's here's what happens though, and this is where we 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:23.560 get into a little bit of of local information. So 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:26.840 the Colorado River, you may or may not know this, 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:29.200 and a lot of people probably don't because we it's 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:31.520 so drained at this point, but it used to run 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:36.040 almost all the way to the Gulf of California, and 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:39.280 this area that we're talking about, where the Saltan Sea is, 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:42.120 it's actually used to be referred to as the Salton 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:45.360 Sink because what would happen is the river would flood, 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:48.120 it would overflow, and it would overflow into the sink. 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:52.800 Makes sense. So if there's a big flood, lots of 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:55.120 water comes in and it fills this area and it's 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:58.400 a temporary lake. At the same time, there are things 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:02.480 called tidal bars which from the Gulf of California push 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:06.520 water up the estuaries, and it could at times when 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:10.079 there was a high flood, connect the sink to the ocean. 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:20.320 So technically it's possible. Theoretically it's possible. I shouldn't said technically, theoretically, yeah, 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:23.240 I would say that really considering how to wrench. So 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:25.800 the range can be in southern California if you had 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:32.079 those two things coinciding, it's maybe. Yeah. Otherwise so maybe 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:36.600 it could. So I would say that would be a 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:43.400 distinct air of judgment on their part, but maybe. Well yeah, 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:47.240 So according to this what happens is the Spanish evidently 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:49.560 it was only one of the ships had gone while 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:51.800 the other one stayed in the gulf. This one went 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:56.160 north and got stranded. The sailors realized they're in trouble. 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:59.200 They leave the ship, it's sitting on the ground full 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:02.000 of pearls, and they hike it through the desert back 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:06.199 to the coast and according to legend, are eventually picked 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:09.360 up by another ship two months later. So they didn't 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:12.360 take the pearls with them, any of them. Well, they 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:15.839 might have taken some with them, but according to the legend, 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:20.920 the hold was full of pearls. Imagine like taking a 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:27.320 bath in that. Yeah, that would be pretty awesome. Yeah 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:33.640 it is, it really is. And there's there are variants 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:37.080 of this story. There's variants that say that no, it 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:40.880 wasn't a Spanish galleon, but instead it was a pirate 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:44.520 ship that went up and got caught in this same situation. 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:47.520 So it's actually not a ship of pearls, it's a 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:52.040 ship full of gold. So that's another one. There's another 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:56.160 version that says that no, it wasn't the Spanish and 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:59.920 it wasn't gold, instead it was vikings, that it's a 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:04.760 Viking ship, which actually makes more sense when you think 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:07.160 about it, because those Viking ships that I can't remember 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:08.640 what kind of what the name is, but they had 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:11.280 had a shallow draft to him, so they go in 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:15.000 much shallower water, the gullants to kind of draw a 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:17.640 little bit of water, the yeah, they go really deep. 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:21.600 So this actually is a little more credible from that 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:25.000 approach that it could have been. But then again, those 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:28.560 ships are a little bit smaller, and the legend says 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:31.840 that people would see this giant ship in the sand 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:35.480 without its mass, but it's still a giant ship that 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:38.200 they could see from afar. And that's where we're going 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:40.120 to move into the legend because now we've talked about 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:42.640 possibly how it could have got there. We now have 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:45.800 all of these stories in the eighteen hundreds that happen, 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:49.400 people saying they see the ship sitting there in the 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:52.640 desert as they're crossing the desert, but they can never 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:56.160 get back to it. There's a story of a prospector 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:59.920 who gets into town says he took shelter in this weird, 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:04.040 round dish wooden structure he found, and he hid in 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:07.520 a in a storm in it. Unbeknownst to him, it 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:11.280 was full of pearls. Bothered to look around a little bit. 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:15.160 So now is this thing. Is this thing just sitting 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:18.200 on the desert floor, or is it partially buried? Well, 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:21.280 according to what happened in the area. And this is 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:22.760 the hard part is that of course the salt and 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:24.959 sea has now got water in it. We've pumped a 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:28.480 bunch of water into it from runoff from irrigation, and 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:32.320 it's it's actually one of the saltiest bodies of water 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:38.640 on the planet, salt and Sea, I guess exactly. But um, 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:41.280 now that the thing is is that according to the stories, 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:45.120 what's happened is it got stranded. And this is a desert, 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:48.280 so sand blows around, and what does sand, due to 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:52.840 a big hulking object in the desert, piles up against it? 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:55.199 So it would be buried and then it would get 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:57.800 uncovered by the winds, and then a dune would grow 0:12:57.840 --> 0:12:59.880 around it, and then it would get uncovered by the 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:04.000 winds in the waters. So it's coming and going. There's 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:07.440 the story it evolved, like I mean we talked about 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:09.400 it first started with the ship of pearls. Then it 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:11.080 was a ship full of gold, that it was a 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:14.800 Viking ship, like there's all these versions. It's actually rolled 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:17.719 on from there. It's actually become a ghost ship that 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:20.920 sails on the sands of the salt and sea. Some 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:25.400 people actually report seeing that sailing, the leached ship without mass, 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:30.440 flying around the sea and the sands. I should say 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:35.000 it's a phantom ship. Why don't they just drained the 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:38.240 salt and sea and find out if it's there. Um, Well, 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:43.280 the Sultan Sea is actually slowly draining itself or not. 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:46.680 It's super deep and it's a desert. I mean, we 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:49.199 are pouring water into it, but not nearly as much 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:51.959 as it used to get and so it is slowly 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:56.360 draining on its own. Projected that in the next somewhere 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:59.160 between the next ten to twenty years, if if things 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:01.959 keep going the way they are, it'll be empty, and 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:04.360 then you can go out there with your battle detector 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:07.120 and your shovel and just dig your heart's content. Yeah, 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:11.600 I'm gonna go out with my pearl detector. Said, shouldn't 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:14.439 be too hard to find. Really, I'm just shocked that 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:17.480 nobody's found it on Google Earth yet. Oh like that 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:20.080 guy that drove his car into the lake recently for 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:23.520 several years ago that they found recently. Yeah, it seems 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:25.760 like a big thing. You would have found it. Well, 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:28.560 but the problem is is that, well, I shouldn't say. 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:33.560 The problem conveniently is believed to be in the area 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:37.360 that is now under water. So if it's underwater, under sand, 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:40.680 Google Earth still couldn't fight. All right, that's fair. There 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:44.640 are some limitations there, there are. Okay, Well, this this 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:46.480 was an easy one. So let's get into our theories, 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:48.800 because that's really I mean, there's we could go on 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:51.040 and on about the different stories and flesh them out, 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:52.760 but really it all kind of comes down to what 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:56.280 we've talked about so far. Three theories, the first of 0:14:56.320 --> 0:15:01.760 which is that it's real. It's totally yield, and it 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:04.320 could be totally real for the reason that we talked 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:08.920 about earlier, where the Colorado is flooding, and it's pouring 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:11.720 a bunch of water into the area and filling up 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:14.440 that inland sea or that big lake that then because 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:17.640 of the tidal bars, becomes a bit of a connected 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:20.600 to the sea. It's not actually an inland sea. It 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:24.240 could be real. And as Joe talked about, and we've 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:27.960 been talking about, we know that there were Europeans, whether 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:35.280 they were Spanish or um Vikings are the makings technically Europeans, 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:38.640 So Europeans are just all over the area. So technically 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:41.960 it could have happened, though it's really kind of hard 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:45.160 to believe a little bit. Although you know, again, it 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:46.920 doesn't have to be a galley, and there could be 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:49.080 a boat of some kind. And that's that's the one 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:50.720 thing is that it's always says it's a galleon, but 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:52.880 it could have been a smaller ship. I mean, like 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:56.040 I talked about two break, he had three ships with him. 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:58.920 One of them might have been the small one that 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:02.120 was the scout and left the galleon in the gulf 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:04.000 and took the little one up and that's the one 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:06.280 that got stramped. It's kind of like Columbus, you know, 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:08.840 his three ships worth the same size it was. There 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:13.760 was big, medium, and small, like to coffee. Okay, we're 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:16.400 to go onto theory number two. This one I love, 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:21.320 which is that it's sort of kind of okay, okay, 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:24.680 this is hilarious. I love the people do this kind 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:28.680 of crap. It's eighteen sixty two and there are a 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:31.800 couple of people who decide they want to travel around 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:35.040 the desert and the best way they decide to do 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:38.320 it is to build a skiff and put it on wheels. 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:42.160 So this is a sailed ship with sales that then 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:45.840 has wheels attached to it and they are driving across 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:48.000 the desert. Did it No? It does. Actually people people 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:49.840 actually do that. If you go out to like I 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:52.160 go out to the Alboard Desert occasionally, which is a 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:55.440 dry lake bed and the summertime, when it's not raining, 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:57.360 it's it's nice and dry and hard. And there are 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:00.320 people I've seen with my own eyes who build these things. 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:03.800 They're basically windsurfers. Yea, yeah, they like these things. They've 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:07.280 got wheels on them and windsurfing board whenever getting and 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:09.440 they said at them, and they've got they've got a 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:11.240 mast in the sail, and they just speed around the 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:13.520 desert and these things. It's it's very cool. Well, these 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:16.960 guys evidently weren't very good at driving their's because they 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:19.600 drove it into a low point in the desert which 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:21.560 was kind of moist, and they just got no, no, 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:23.879 it wasn't even moist. It was just a low point 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:26.200 and it got stuck. They couldn't get it back out. 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:28.840 It's heavy. I mean, you know, they're failing it out 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:31.800 of lumber. It's not like you just dragged that thing around. 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:35.240 But they are saying that that is the you know, 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:38.480 the sails and the mast of that are what people 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:42.320 were seeing in the eighteen hundreds and claiming it was 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:45.440 this galu. You would also explain the ghost chip theory. 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:52.360 Possibly could have just st there speeding around when Yeah, 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:55.919 or that people you know, in the later years or 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:58.600 the earlier sorry that we're more contemporary of this thing 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:02.920 speeding around there that they saw it and thought, what's 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:04.879 that thing in the distance. It looks like a ship? 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:09.439 The mast weird. Weird. Yeah, well, you know, actually the 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:11.720 ghost ship thing. I don't know if you ever saw 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:15.240 the Halloween episode of South Park, No, yeah, which one? 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:19.679 I mean seasons now, now, they were the town was 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:22.480 terrorized because they were seeing ghost pirates and it turned 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:24.680 out it was a town pastor and he was using 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:29.800 a flashlight and a couple of squirrels to create the illusions. Yeah, 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:32.280 I'm not making this up. That's how it really went out. Yeah, 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:34.639 the same thing. You know, what I was thinking is 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:37.560 for the ghost ship that that is moving about, is 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:40.879 it could have been what what is that? You know 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:43.359 how to pronounce this, Joe and I never can the 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:46.200 illusion of something that looks that's reflected looks like it's 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:49.920 several feet off the ground. Mirage, it's a fun yeah, 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:51.560 oh god, I can't remember the name of it either. 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:53.960 There's there's two we talked about that the skin Walker 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:56.320 ranch thing. I mean, yes, you get your typical mirage, 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:59.480 which what's the light is like refracted upwards and it 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:01.560 looks like there's water, But that the other one where 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:05.160 the lighters refracted downward and so it looks like it's floating. Yes, 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:08.399 So so say something off in the distance horizontally actually 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:10.880 looks like it's up in the air. And so that's 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:13.720 that's the thing that I'm talking about, which moves just 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:16.879 right into the third theory, which is it's a total fake. 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:19.720 It's just not real, and it could be that it's 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:25.119 a mirage. Um. There has been no evidence, concrete evidence. 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:27.960 Nobody's even come back with a board and said this 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:30.280 was from this ship that I found. Because people say 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:32.800 they went to it. Actually, I need to rephrase that, 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:35.880 because I'm wrong. There are no first hand accounts. They're 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:39.359 all second and third. But it's never this guy went 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:41.320 and when he was at the ship he took a 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:43.480 board off of it and kept it with him. It's 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:45.359 always they went to it and looked at it or 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:49.159 saw it in the distance. They've never actually been to it. 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:51.600 And this is the thing is, this is entirely counter 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:55.080 to everything I know about human nature. I find I 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:57.840 find a shipwreck, I'm gonna I'm gonna, like, as you say, 0:19:57.960 --> 0:20:00.360 take a souvenir from it. At the very least, I'm 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:02.600 gonna dig it out, dig up whatever I can, and 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:06.560 find anything valuable that's possibly there. Take it there. There 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:12.800 is one story, there's one story that is unsubstantiated out 0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:15.960 there that there was some guy who showed up in 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:19.119 town that nobody knew him. He showed up at this 0:20:19.160 --> 0:20:22.520 town with a little tin full of pearls and he 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:26.359 used those, and people are like, hey, where'd you get those? 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:28.200 I found him in the desert at this thing. Well 0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:30.920 could you take us there? Oh yeah, totally take you there. 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:33.080 In the morning. Great, we'll put you up on our 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:35.960 our place for the night, rent free. And in the 0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:39.080 morning he was gone. Like that's the one story that 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:42.159 I've seen where somebody's actually showed up with it and 0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:45.200 the guy disappeared, and you know, some using air quotes 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:48.200 because all of our listeners could see that. Y. Yeah, 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:51.320 the guy disappeared, took the silver probably with him, Yeah, 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:55.440 he probably. He probably disappeared with a horse that didn't 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:58.639 survive the telling. But now so I am inclined to 0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:02.560 believe that this probably isn't real. The skiff is the 0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:05.960 only thing that I can see potentially being it. So 0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:09.080 this treasure that is supposedly lost, I don't think it 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:11.719 actually exists, you know, I think that a lot of 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:15.880 lost treasures never existed to be Yeah, yeah, yeah, well 0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:18.080 so much that one. All right, Well that's that's me, 0:21:19.480 --> 0:21:21.439 I know, except for I really want to know. I 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:24.800 want to do one of those desert windsurfing board things. No, 0:21:24.920 --> 0:21:26.359 it looks like a lot of fun, it does, but 0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:28.080 it would probably hurt more when you fell off of 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:30.359 it then if you fell off a windsurfing board, because 0:21:30.400 --> 0:21:33.440 you'd fall in the water. Yeah, okay, yes, so talking 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:38.120 about fake maybe fake kind of thing. This is real. 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:40.840 We can talk about mine and if you guys want 0:21:40.920 --> 0:21:42.840 let's hear about it. Let's do it. What is it? 0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:45.880 So we're gonna talk about the mystery of Poverty Island. 0:21:46.320 --> 0:21:49.520 I love the name, the Poverty Island. Lost treasure is 0:21:49.560 --> 0:21:53.000 what they call it, and poverty. Poverty Island is in 0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:55.280 Lake Michigan. Okay, that's right, that's right. Yeah, I could 0:21:55.359 --> 0:21:58.119 remember which lake it was in. Yeah. I've always actually 0:21:58.119 --> 0:22:00.440 found this one kind of fascinating, and I like the 0:22:00.520 --> 0:22:04.400 name to poverty I me, I like the name. Yeah. Yeah, 0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:07.480 it makes you think that there was an orphanage on 0:22:07.520 --> 0:22:10.760 the island when you know it's really it's a really video. 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:14.320 Yeah there's a lighthouse though, Yeah cool. I just I've 0:22:14.320 --> 0:22:17.480 always wondered why somebody named it Poverty Island. I mean, 0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:19.400 I don't have a problem with it, but it's kind 0:22:19.440 --> 0:22:21.800