1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways is not supported by defeating the Huns. Instead, 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:07,039 Speaker 1: it's supported by the generous donations of our listeners on Patreon. 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: Visit patreon dot com slash Thinking Sideways to learn more 4 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: and thanks Thinking Sideways. I don't understand you never know 5 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: what stories of things. We simply don't know the answer too. Hey, 6 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: and welcome again to another episode of Thinking Sideways. I 7 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: am Steve, of course, joined by Devon Joe, and once 8 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: again we have a mystery. We have several mess We 9 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 1: actually have several mysteries that time again, it is where 10 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: we do what do we call these are a group 11 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: show shorts? I never can remember because we frequently I 12 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: never I don't know. It doesn't really matter. Two different 13 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: kinds of group shows, right, we did that's kind and 14 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: we do the like we have this week. The kind 15 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: of group show we're doing is where each of us 16 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: has a small mystery and they're all kind of related. 17 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: There's a theme that the theme has lost treasures. There's 18 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: a lot of lost treasure out there, by the way, 19 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: there is, and so we're unfortunately just going to cover 20 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: three treasures. Shall we just go ahead and jump into this. 21 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: Let's talk about some lost treasure. All right, well, I 22 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 1: guess I guess I'll start Yeah, please do Okay, what 23 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: are we talking? What are you talking about? Well, I 24 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: am going to be talking about the supposed lost gallon 25 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: of pearls in the Salt and Seas full of pearls? 26 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: How many pearls? A lot? Like millions lots? Do you 27 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: know the worth of the pearls? No? Estimated? No, we 28 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: don't know. It's a little it's it's it's a little thin. 29 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: Here's here's the basic idea. If you don't know where 30 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: the Salt and Sea is, it's probably something you should 31 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: know right away. It's in southern California. It's near the 32 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: Mexico California border. It's all so right there, not too 33 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: far away from the coast, and technically it can connect 34 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,839 Speaker 1: to the Gulf of California. So yeah, it's a weird 35 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: little spur that comes off the edge of the continent. 36 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 1: That's right where it's at. Yeah. Yeah, So and then 37 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: that little area sort of maybe theoretically floods and and so, 38 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: just so we're clear, A galleon is this big Spanish ship. 39 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: They're that big six hundreds era ships. I don't know 40 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: why isn't there a coin that was called a galleon 41 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: some kind of coin that was called a galleon at 42 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: one point? No, am I making that up? Is that 43 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: a fantasy thing? It's probably fantasy, might be a fantasy thing, 44 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: but I think there's a coin that has a similar name. 45 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: But there are some things as like a galleon of 46 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: gas and a galleon of whiskey. Yeah, the galleon of whiskey. 47 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: I'm very familiar. Yeah, yeah, okay, sorry, I just wanted 48 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: to clarify. That's all right, So here's let's let's get 49 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: into the story. This story is that evidently in the 50 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds there were a lot of people flooding across 51 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: the country, and these people were coming through the California area. 52 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: We've got things like the gold rush going on to 53 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: everybody's just milling about, and all of these stories started 54 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: cropping up of the ship in the desert. So it's 55 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: actually in the desert, it's not in the water. What 56 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: are you laughing at? I looked it at the Harry Potter. 57 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: It's the currency in Harry Potter is I was just 58 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: laughing at the fact that, of course I made a 59 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: Harry Potter refference without even realizing. Back to the story 60 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: Harry Potter, So, well, all these people say they see 61 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: the galleon, did anybody take a picture of it with 62 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: their cell phone? No, lady had the terrible cameras in 63 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: the eighteen hundreds. So according to some research out there, 64 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: in the early sixteen hundreds, King Philip of Spain, I 65 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: think Philip the third, he had sent a whole bunch 66 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: of ships to the America's. One of those ships was 67 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: going around and hunting for pearls. So that was kind 68 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: of the thing with the Spanish Empire is like they 69 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: decides running Mexico. They also they also took over the 70 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: Philippines and they took basically they plundered all the gold 71 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: out of the Philippines and brought it back to Spain 72 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: via Mexico. And speaking of Spanish galleons, there there is 73 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: actually a Spanish galleon buried in the sea or buried 74 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: in the on the beach at Manzanita. Oh yeah, there is, Yeah, 75 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: was about Yeah, I think it is. It. Don't look 76 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: at me like that, I know it. Yeah, but it 77 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: actually exists, It is really there, just probably full of stuff. Yeah, yeah, 78 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: that's the whole thing. It was there was a storm 79 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: in the nineteen thirties and it was partially uncovered, and 80 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: and and people became aware of it, and there was 81 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: not there was no money to actually take it out, 82 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: and so it's of course it's still there. And who 83 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: knows what's it that there might there might be all 84 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: kinds of gold in there, there might be treasure. But yeah, 85 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: there's there's there're Spanish gallions all over the place. There 86 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: were a lot of them out there, So there's this 87 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 1: one could be for real. Well I thought that it 88 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: was full of pearls. Well here's here's the thing is that, 89 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: according to the story, the king's orders these ships in 90 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,559 Speaker 1: sixteen ten is the year now that I'm rereading my notes. 91 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: And he hires a couple of guys and one of 92 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: them is a gentleman by the name of Wanda a 93 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: Tubre and Pedro there was resolves. He sends them off 94 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 1: in three ships that have a bunch of pearl divers 95 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: on them. Uh. They go up and down the coast 96 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: of California and Mexico. They're diving for pearls. They're evidently 97 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: getting huge halls, and eventually they meet the natives and 98 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: it turns out the natives had been taking pearls at 99 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: you know, because pearls are in in oysters, I suddenly 100 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 1: couldn't think of what they were in. Sorry pause, And 101 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: they just thought they were useless. So they were throwing 102 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: them on the ground and they had piles and piles 103 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: of these things around. Well, actually technically they are. They 104 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: are really useless. That's pretty They have no value to 105 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: them as they you know, because we say they have 106 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: value now that they have just like diamonds. I'm actually 107 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: kind of surprised that that that they saw them that way, 108 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: because I mean, don't forget that that we bought Manhattan 109 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: for a bunch of little trinkets and like stuff like that. 110 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: So I'm kind of surprised that they just discarded them. Well, yeah, 111 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I know is that, according to 112 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: the story, they decided to trade for all these pearls, 113 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: and what they did is they swindled the natives, shocking, 114 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 1: and they gave them rags and junk and all of 115 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 1: this sound like history at all, but actually from from 116 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: the natives perspective, they probably actually got a good deal 117 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: because you know, a rag is something you can actually 118 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: mop up a mess with whereas you can't do that 119 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 1: with the pearl. True, but they didn't take kindly to this, 120 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: and they attacked the Spanish because they figured out they 121 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: had been swindled, and a bunch of them were injured, 122 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: and they ran and a bunch of these guys said, hey, 123 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: we need to go home, We need to go back 124 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: to Spain. According to the story, though, the guy that 125 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: was in charge of this, his name was Alvarez Cordone, 126 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,239 Speaker 1: he said, no, we're going to continue on. I've been injured, 127 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,679 Speaker 1: I don't care. Go up the gulf and keep looking 128 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: for more pearls. So they do that. Well, eventually one 129 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: of the ships hits a reef it goes down, So 130 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: now we've only got two ships. And they keep going 131 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: on and they continue up what is now the Gulf 132 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: of California. They get into this weird inland sea they're 133 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: hanging about, and they realized that this place isn't what 134 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: we need to be and they want to go back 135 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: down the gulf, except the water level has dropped and 136 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: they realized that they get out and the sea is 137 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: sinking around their ship. Yeah, I could see that happening, 138 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: you know, in southern California. Depending at the time of 139 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: the year, it actually gets a lot of rain, like 140 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: in January, and uh, I could see where it could 141 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: actually be navigable for a short period of time. Well 142 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: here's here's what happens though, and this is where we 143 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: get into a little bit of of local information. So 144 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: the Colorado River, you may or may not know this, 145 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: and a lot of people probably don't because we it's 146 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: so drained at this point, but it used to run 147 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: almost all the way to the Gulf of California, and 148 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: this area that we're talking about, where the Saltan Sea is, 149 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: it's actually used to be referred to as the Salton 150 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: Sink because what would happen is the river would flood, 151 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: it would overflow, and it would overflow into the sink. 152 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: Makes sense. So if there's a big flood, lots of 153 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: water comes in and it fills this area and it's 154 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: a temporary lake. At the same time, there are things 155 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: called tidal bars which from the Gulf of California push 156 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: water up the estuaries, and it could at times when 157 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 1: there was a high flood, connect the sink to the ocean. 158 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: So technically it's possible. Theoretically it's possible. I shouldn't said technically, theoretically, yeah, 159 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: I would say that really considering how to wrench. So 160 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: the range can be in southern California if you had 161 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 1: those two things coinciding, it's maybe. Yeah. Otherwise so maybe 162 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: it could. So I would say that would be a 163 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: distinct air of judgment on their part, but maybe. Well yeah, 164 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: So according to this what happens is the Spanish evidently 165 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: it was only one of the ships had gone while 166 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: the other one stayed in the gulf. This one went 167 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: north and got stranded. The sailors realized they're in trouble. 168 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: They leave the ship, it's sitting on the ground full 169 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: of pearls, and they hike it through the desert back 170 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 1: to the coast and according to legend, are eventually picked 171 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: up by another ship two months later. So they didn't 172 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: take the pearls with them, any of them. Well, they 173 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 1: might have taken some with them, but according to the legend, 174 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: the hold was full of pearls. Imagine like taking a 175 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: bath in that. Yeah, that would be pretty awesome. Yeah 176 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: it is, it really is. And there's there are variants 177 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: of this story. There's variants that say that no, it 178 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: wasn't a Spanish galleon, but instead it was a pirate 179 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: ship that went up and got caught in this same situation. 180 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: So it's actually not a ship of pearls, it's a 181 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: ship full of gold. So that's another one. There's another 182 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: version that says that no, it wasn't the Spanish and 183 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: it wasn't gold, instead it was vikings, that it's a 184 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: Viking ship, which actually makes more sense when you think 185 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: about it, because those Viking ships that I can't remember 186 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: what kind of what the name is, but they had 187 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: had a shallow draft to him, so they go in 188 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: much shallower water, the gullants to kind of draw a 189 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: little bit of water, the yeah, they go really deep. 190 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: So this actually is a little more credible from that 191 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: approach that it could have been. But then again, those 192 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: ships are a little bit smaller, and the legend says 193 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: that people would see this giant ship in the sand 194 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: without its mass, but it's still a giant ship that 195 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 1: they could see from afar. And that's where we're going 196 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: to move into the legend because now we've talked about 197 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: possibly how it could have got there. We now have 198 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: all of these stories in the eighteen hundreds that happen, 199 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: people saying they see the ship sitting there in the 200 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: desert as they're crossing the desert, but they can never 201 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: get back to it. There's a story of a prospector 202 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: who gets into town says he took shelter in this weird, 203 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: round dish wooden structure he found, and he hid in 204 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: a in a storm in it. Unbeknownst to him, it 205 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: was full of pearls. Bothered to look around a little bit. 206 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: So now is this thing. Is this thing just sitting 207 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: on the desert floor, or is it partially buried? Well, 208 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: according to what happened in the area. And this is 209 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: the hard part is that of course the salt and 210 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 1: sea has now got water in it. We've pumped a 211 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: bunch of water into it from runoff from irrigation, and 212 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: it's it's actually one of the saltiest bodies of water 213 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: on the planet, salt and Sea, I guess exactly. But um, 214 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: now that the thing is is that according to the stories, 215 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: what's happened is it got stranded. And this is a desert, 216 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: so sand blows around, and what does sand, due to 217 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: a big hulking object in the desert, piles up against it? 218 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,199 Speaker 1: So it would be buried and then it would get 219 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: uncovered by the winds, and then a dune would grow 220 00:12:57,840 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: around it, and then it would get uncovered by the 221 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: winds in the waters. So it's coming and going. There's 222 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: the story it evolved, like I mean we talked about 223 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: it first started with the ship of pearls. Then it 224 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: was a ship full of gold, that it was a 225 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: Viking ship, like there's all these versions. It's actually rolled 226 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,719 Speaker 1: on from there. It's actually become a ghost ship that 227 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: sails on the sands of the salt and sea. Some 228 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: people actually report seeing that sailing, the leached ship without mass, 229 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: flying around the sea and the sands. I should say 230 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: it's a phantom ship. Why don't they just drained the 231 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: salt and sea and find out if it's there. Um, Well, 232 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: the Sultan Sea is actually slowly draining itself or not. 233 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 1: It's super deep and it's a desert. I mean, we 234 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 1: are pouring water into it, but not nearly as much 235 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 1: as it used to get and so it is slowly 236 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: draining on its own. Projected that in the next somewhere 237 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: between the next ten to twenty years, if if things 238 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 1: keep going the way they are, it'll be empty, and 239 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: then you can go out there with your battle detector 240 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: and your shovel and just dig your heart's content. Yeah, 241 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out with my pearl detector. Said, shouldn't 242 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 1: be too hard to find. Really, I'm just shocked that 243 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: nobody's found it on Google Earth yet. Oh like that 244 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: guy that drove his car into the lake recently for 245 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: several years ago that they found recently. Yeah, it seems 246 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: like a big thing. You would have found it. Well, 247 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: but the problem is is that, well, I shouldn't say. 248 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: The problem conveniently is believed to be in the area 249 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: that is now under water. So if it's underwater, under sand, 250 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: Google Earth still couldn't fight. All right, that's fair. There 251 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: are some limitations there, there are. Okay, Well, this this 252 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: was an easy one. So let's get into our theories, 253 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: because that's really I mean, there's we could go on 254 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: and on about the different stories and flesh them out, 255 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: but really it all kind of comes down to what 256 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: we've talked about so far. Three theories, the first of 257 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: which is that it's real. It's totally yield, and it 258 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: could be totally real for the reason that we talked 259 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: about earlier, where the Colorado is flooding, and it's pouring 260 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: a bunch of water into the area and filling up 261 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: that inland sea or that big lake that then because 262 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: of the tidal bars, becomes a bit of a connected 263 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: to the sea. It's not actually an inland sea. It 264 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: could be real. And as Joe talked about, and we've 265 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: been talking about, we know that there were Europeans, whether 266 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: they were Spanish or um Vikings are the makings technically Europeans, 267 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: So Europeans are just all over the area. So technically 268 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: it could have happened, though it's really kind of hard 269 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: to believe a little bit. Although you know, again, it 270 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: doesn't have to be a galley, and there could be 271 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: a boat of some kind. And that's that's the one 272 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: thing is that it's always says it's a galleon, but 273 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: it could have been a smaller ship. I mean, like 274 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: I talked about two break, he had three ships with him. 275 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: One of them might have been the small one that 276 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: was the scout and left the galleon in the gulf 277 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: and took the little one up and that's the one 278 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: that got stramped. It's kind of like Columbus, you know, 279 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: his three ships worth the same size it was. There 280 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: was big, medium, and small, like to coffee. Okay, we're 281 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: to go onto theory number two. This one I love, 282 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: which is that it's sort of kind of okay, okay, 283 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: this is hilarious. I love the people do this kind 284 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: of crap. It's eighteen sixty two and there are a 285 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: couple of people who decide they want to travel around 286 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: the desert and the best way they decide to do 287 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: it is to build a skiff and put it on wheels. 288 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: So this is a sailed ship with sales that then 289 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: has wheels attached to it and they are driving across 290 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: the desert. Did it No? It does. Actually people people 291 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: actually do that. If you go out to like I 292 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: go out to the Alboard Desert occasionally, which is a 293 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: dry lake bed and the summertime, when it's not raining, 294 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: it's it's nice and dry and hard. And there are 295 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: people I've seen with my own eyes who build these things. 296 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: They're basically windsurfers. Yea, yeah, they like these things. They've 297 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: got wheels on them and windsurfing board whenever getting and 298 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: they said at them, and they've got they've got a 299 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: mast in the sail, and they just speed around the 300 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: desert and these things. It's it's very cool. Well, these 301 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: guys evidently weren't very good at driving their's because they 302 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: drove it into a low point in the desert which 303 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: was kind of moist, and they just got no, no, 304 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 1: it wasn't even moist. It was just a low point 305 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: and it got stuck. They couldn't get it back out. 306 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: It's heavy. I mean, you know, they're failing it out 307 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: of lumber. It's not like you just dragged that thing around. 308 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: But they are saying that that is the you know, 309 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: the sails and the mast of that are what people 310 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: were seeing in the eighteen hundreds and claiming it was 311 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 1: this galu. You would also explain the ghost chip theory. 312 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 1: Possibly could have just st there speeding around when Yeah, 313 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: or that people you know, in the later years or 314 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: the earlier sorry that we're more contemporary of this thing 315 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: speeding around there that they saw it and thought, what's 316 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 1: that thing in the distance. It looks like a ship? 317 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:09,439 Speaker 1: The mast weird. Weird. Yeah, well, you know, actually the 318 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: ghost ship thing. I don't know if you ever saw 319 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: the Halloween episode of South Park, No, yeah, which one? 320 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 1: I mean seasons now, now, they were the town was 321 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: terrorized because they were seeing ghost pirates and it turned 322 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 1: out it was a town pastor and he was using 323 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: a flashlight and a couple of squirrels to create the illusions. Yeah, 324 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: I'm not making this up. That's how it really went out. Yeah, 325 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 1: the same thing. You know, what I was thinking is 326 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: for the ghost ship that that is moving about, is 327 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: it could have been what what is that? You know 328 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: how to pronounce this, Joe and I never can the 329 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: illusion of something that looks that's reflected looks like it's 330 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 1: several feet off the ground. Mirage, it's a fun yeah, 331 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: oh god, I can't remember the name of it either. 332 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: There's there's two we talked about that the skin Walker 333 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: ranch thing. I mean, yes, you get your typical mirage, 334 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: which what's the light is like refracted upwards and it 335 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: looks like there's water, But that the other one where 336 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 1: the lighters refracted downward and so it looks like it's floating. Yes, 337 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: So so say something off in the distance horizontally actually 338 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 1: looks like it's up in the air. And so that's 339 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: that's the thing that I'm talking about, which moves just 340 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: right into the third theory, which is it's a total fake. 341 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: It's just not real, and it could be that it's 342 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: a mirage. Um. There has been no evidence, concrete evidence. 343 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: Nobody's even come back with a board and said this 344 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: was from this ship that I found. Because people say 345 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: they went to it. Actually, I need to rephrase that, 346 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 1: because I'm wrong. There are no first hand accounts. They're 347 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: all second and third. But it's never this guy went 348 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: and when he was at the ship he took a 349 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: board off of it and kept it with him. It's 350 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: always they went to it and looked at it or 351 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: saw it in the distance. They've never actually been to it. 352 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: And this is the thing is, this is entirely counter 353 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: to everything I know about human nature. I find I 354 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: find a shipwreck, I'm gonna I'm gonna, like, as you say, 355 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,360 Speaker 1: take a souvenir from it. At the very least, I'm 356 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: gonna dig it out, dig up whatever I can, and 357 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: find anything valuable that's possibly there. Take it there. There 358 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: is one story, there's one story that is unsubstantiated out 359 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: there that there was some guy who showed up in 360 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: town that nobody knew him. He showed up at this 361 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: town with a little tin full of pearls and he 362 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: used those, and people are like, hey, where'd you get those? 363 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 1: I found him in the desert at this thing. Well 364 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 1: could you take us there? Oh yeah, totally take you there. 365 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: In the morning. Great, we'll put you up on our 366 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: our place for the night, rent free. And in the 367 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: morning he was gone. Like that's the one story that 368 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 1: I've seen where somebody's actually showed up with it and 369 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: the guy disappeared, and you know, some using air quotes 370 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: because all of our listeners could see that. Y. Yeah, 371 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: the guy disappeared, took the silver probably with him, Yeah, 372 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: he probably. He probably disappeared with a horse that didn't 373 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 1: survive the telling. But now so I am inclined to 374 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: believe that this probably isn't real. The skiff is the 375 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: only thing that I can see potentially being it. So 376 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: this treasure that is supposedly lost, I don't think it 377 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,719 Speaker 1: actually exists, you know, I think that a lot of 378 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 1: lost treasures never existed to be Yeah, yeah, yeah, well 379 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: so much that one. All right, Well that's that's me, 380 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 1: I know, except for I really want to know. I 381 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: want to do one of those desert windsurfing board things. No, 382 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: it looks like a lot of fun, it does, but 383 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: it would probably hurt more when you fell off of 384 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: it then if you fell off a windsurfing board, because 385 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: you'd fall in the water. Yeah, okay, yes, so talking 386 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 1: about fake maybe fake kind of thing. This is real. 387 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: We can talk about mine and if you guys want 388 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: let's hear about it. Let's do it. What is it? 389 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk about the mystery of Poverty Island. 390 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: I love the name, the Poverty Island. Lost treasure is 391 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: what they call it, and poverty. Poverty Island is in 392 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: Lake Michigan. Okay, that's right, that's right. Yeah, I could 393 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 1: remember which lake it was in. Yeah. I've always actually 394 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 1: found this one kind of fascinating, and I like the 395 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 1: name to poverty I me, I like the name. Yeah. Yeah, 396 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: it makes you think that there was an orphanage on 397 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: the island when you know it's really it's a really video. 398 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: Yeah there's a lighthouse though, Yeah cool. I just I've 399 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: always wondered why somebody named it Poverty Island. I mean, 400 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with it, but it's kind 401 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: of a strange name. Yeah, I don't. I think I 402 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 1: read about it, but I don't. I don't remember why. 403 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it's not really probably right to the story. 404 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 1: You know. Actually we prefer to not answer every question 405 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: that gives our listeners the opportunity to go researcher for 406 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 1: themselves and send us an email. Yeah, by all means, yeah, okay, 407 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: So it's eighteen sixty three, Yeah, civil war and all 408 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: that Civil war. Yeah. Kind near the end of the 409 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: Civil War, the Confederacy has decided that they need money, 410 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 1: so they appeal to one Mr. Emperor Napoleon Bonaparte, the 411 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: third of France. For some reason, I don't totally know why, 412 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: but for some reason, Bonaparte totally granted them a secret 413 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: shipment of gold to help them out. And think he 414 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: hated the Americans because they we were loosely connected to 415 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: the English Confederates three too, I don't know, I don't 416 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: know the I mean, the French have actually been our 417 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: allies for a long long time, our strongest and oldest allies. Yeah. 418 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 1: I'm not so sure that the French were that sympathetic 419 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: to the Confederacy, but I'm not either. That's one of 420 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 1: the that's my first red flags. Yeah. This delivery has 421 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: been estimated to be worth about four million, four hundred 422 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: million dollars in our money, today two fifteen money. It 423 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: turns out it's really hard to do backwards calculations on 424 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,719 Speaker 1: what it would have been the value. Yeah, so I 425 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: don't know, but it's a lot of money. That's a 426 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,719 Speaker 1: lot of money. Yeah. This delivery path was headed towards 427 00:23:54,840 --> 00:24:00,040 Speaker 1: Chicago via the Lake Michigan, the Lake Michigan, the of 428 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 1: the St. Lawrence River, and so they went by this 429 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: strange circuits route because they were awarding the Union blockade. Man, 430 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I think it's not really explicitly told. Yeah, 431 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: I never understood how, you know what I mean, like 432 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,439 Speaker 1: why that particular area. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I 433 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: think it'd be easier to sail around Florida and go 434 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: to like New Orleans. But I don't know. They came 435 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: through the North. I guess reasons again another red flag maybe, 436 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, but by this time the Union 437 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: spies had heard what was up, and they attacked this 438 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: shipment near Poverty Island and sunk the ship and loot altogether, 439 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: never to be seen again kind of story. But they 440 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: managed aboard it, and the kind of story. Yeah. Remember 441 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 1: I thought I saw a version where it sank in 442 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: a storm. No, that is that is the Edmond Fitzgerald 443 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,479 Speaker 1: you're thinking of. Yeah, no, no, no no, no. Steve's right. 444 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: There's the another story that goes it's sunk in a 445 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 1: in a storm, which happens a lot near Poverty Island. 446 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,640 Speaker 1: It turns out of storm sinking. It would be interesting. 447 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: I think, actually we should sinking. Yeah. Sorry, is that 448 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 1: insensitive thinking? We should totally drain the great legs. It's 449 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: probably all kinds of cool stuff at the legs. Yeah, 450 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: that's not the end of the story. Okay, there's more. 451 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 1: In nineteen nine, a group of sailors were sailing on 452 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 1: Lake Michigan like you do, and they were pulling up 453 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: their anchor link by link on their chain and they 454 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: snagged what they reported to be trunks, five of them. 455 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: Five trunks on one anchor. Apparently. I don't know how 456 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: that happened, but okay, they all tied together. Maybe they 457 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 1: must be it must have been. Yeah, but the trunks 458 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: were full of gold. They didn't they trunks didn't make 459 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: it up because as they were pulling the trunks on board, 460 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: the chain of the anchor snapped and so the trunks 461 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: were lost. Back to see and okay, well, I initially 462 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: thought that it was total bunk, because I thought, well, 463 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 1: there's no way that a chain anchor and anchor chain 464 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: could just snap like that kind of depends on how 465 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 1: heavy duty. But it turns out it happens all the time. 466 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: I actually read a fair amount about how ineffective anchors 467 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: are just in general, and that the only reason that 468 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: anchor's work is because of the chain attached to them. 469 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 1: And when you're trying to haul the anchor up, there's 470 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: so much weight usually that your links will expand, stretch, stretch, 471 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 1: and snap and snap. So apparently the thing, especially if 472 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: it was attached to four trunks worth of gold. Yeah, well, yeah, 473 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: trunk's worth of gold. Yeah, I tend to think that's 474 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: what's the word I'm thinking of here. They wouldn't have 475 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 1: enough strength in them to pull up five trunks worth 476 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:50,719 Speaker 1: of gold. It would be it may not have actually 477 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 1: been people manually hauling the anchor up, though it's true. 478 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: It could have been a larger ship all the time. 479 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,640 Speaker 1: That's true. Maybe that was it. Yeah, so they pulled 480 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: it up enough to see they saw that it was 481 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: trump and then it, you know, slipped through their fingers 482 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,199 Speaker 1: and fell back to the sea. Yeah. And then in 483 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: nineteen thirty three, just before storm, the son of the 484 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: Poverty Island lighthouse keeper said that he observed a salvage 485 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: crew make what appeared to be an exciting discovery, just 486 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: kind of off the coast of Poverty Island. Alright, So 487 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 1: he said that they were excited, that was what he said. Yeah, 488 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: he said they looked excited. I looked like they were celebrating. Yeah, 489 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: I remember reading the account. Yeah. And then a storm 490 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: swept in and sunk that ship. They were partying into 491 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: the night. We've got it, We've got it. Except for 492 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,479 Speaker 1: he didn't. He never said that it looked like they 493 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 1: actually hauled stuff up. So I don't know if it 494 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: was on their ship or not. Um, but actually the 495 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: so that ship sank, and then in the wreckage of 496 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: that that salvad ship was actually found and there was 497 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: no gold there. What was the name of the ship? 498 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 1: That's a really good question. I haven't seen it anywhere. 499 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: I haven't either, have I know, I don't think I have. 500 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 1: I mean, they're constantly finding new wrecks in the in 501 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,439 Speaker 1: the Great Legs. It's not an unusual thing. Yeah, but 502 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 1: there was no there was no gold or anything on 503 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: this ship. There seems like they weren't being very good 504 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 1: at salvaging things well. But the other thing to keep 505 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,679 Speaker 1: in mind is when ships go down, it's not as 506 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: if everything goes down in a straight line. So if 507 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 1: ship turns over and this trunk of gold is on 508 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: the deck, the trunk of gold is gonna be so 509 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 1: heavy it's gonna sink pretty much like straight whereas the 510 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 1: ship the ship drift, particularly if you're going down in 511 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: a storm. Yeah, like the storm is so bad that 512 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: you think it's probably not gonna I will, I will 513 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: give a little bit of they might have got something 514 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: just because of that fact. Okay, that's fair, Yeah, that's fair. Um, 515 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: there are two guys who are searching for the treasure 516 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 1: right now. Okay, there are more than two guys. I'm 517 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: there are a couple like key players in the search 518 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 1: for this treasure right out. So I guess we'll use 519 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: these people in their opinions as theories. So there's really 520 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: two theories here, right yeah. Yeah. And in the in 521 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: the It's Not Real Camp is a guy by the 522 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: name of Chuck Fellner, and he's a historian and an 523 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: amateur shipwreck searcher. Guy. Great job is on his guy 524 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: The Beach Boys had to do a song about that. Yeah. 525 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: But apparently record keeping about Lake Michigan ships was really 526 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: robust in the nineteenth century. I can believe that, which 527 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: is another reason why it would be weird for the 528 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: Confederacy to be trying to smuggle a bunch of gold 529 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: highly monitored area. Real, Yeah, you can't get your ships 530 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: over there without somebody observing it. Yeah, but they also 531 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: they have really really detailed sinking records for every shipwreck 532 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: and anything like and there is no record of any 533 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: ship like this sinking around this time. Yeah, although it's 534 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: entirely possible if they were sneaking in there on the slide, 535 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: that they got into the lake, then they second nobody 536 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: had a clue that they were there exactly. Yeah, that 537 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: would be the counterpoint to that. But I mean I 538 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: took a look at this on the map because I 539 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: was trying to figure out, like, how the hell they 540 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: even got there. It's not exactly easy to get in there. 541 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: I mean there's you know, today, there's locks and stuff 542 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: like that. But yeah, now would be just as a 543 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: sail right down and nobody's going to see me because 544 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: I do it all under the cover of dark. No, 545 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: but it could have been uh, you know, they were 546 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: smuggling some stuff, right, so they were saying, oh, yeah, 547 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: we've got a bunch of potatoes on this ship, got 548 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: you know, just there's just a couple of guys, got 549 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: some potatoes for the for you great north folk. Yeah, okay, 550 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: that's a good point. I guess I am coming about 551 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: it as it's a sneaky ship that isn't from the 552 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: area the way I was viewing, I think it's unlikely 553 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: that they would have been able to sneak in there 554 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 1: without being observed somebody making note of it. I mean, 555 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: even today, every port around the world, there are people 556 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: keeping an eye on things, So there are people who 557 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: are noting the comings and goings of ships. And it's 558 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: not just spies for foreign countries or the private concerns 559 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 1: that do it. Lloyd's has people in imports all around 560 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: the world observing and want to observe that. Yeah. Yeah, 561 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: so that's that would be the it's not real I think, 562 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: among other reasons. That's the feilder theories that it's just 563 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: it's not real because of this, because of this, and 564 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: because of you know, all this other stuff. Is that 565 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: like you know, there's been a lot of anecdotal stories, 566 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: but conveniently, everybody who's ever act, you know, almost gotten 567 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: it has sunk. Yeah, they soccer, they've lost it. It's 568 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: a cursed treasure. Yeah. But actually some people point to 569 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: the consistency of the treasure being lost as proof that 570 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: it exists, which is really interesting. I tend to not 571 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: understand this kind of logic, but there you have. There 572 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: was one story that has been repeated over and over 573 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: and it's been pretty pure the whole time. Well actually, 574 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 1: so no, no, no. Steve Harrington is the is a 575 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: maritime historian that he's the proponent of this there. He 576 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: he says that the stories of the treasure being founder 577 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: like just yeah, too consistent. Almost there's always five chests, 578 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: it's always in the same area, and it's always lost 579 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: in a tragic way. So that means that it must 580 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: be real. Yeah, I just think, you know, like, there's 581 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: got to be at some point you stop me, you 582 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 1: stop losing stuff conveniently like that. Well, here's the deal. 583 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: The thing about it is is like many many years 584 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: go by and you've got these chests. They're they're wooden 585 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: trunks or something. They're full of gold, and you snag 586 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: them and you haul them up towards the surface. Well 587 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but they're going to deteriorate over time, and 588 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: the weight of that gold is just going to pop 589 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: the bottoms right out of so sooner or later. If 590 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: those trunks actually exist, it should have happened a long 591 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: time ago. Somebody should have snagged the trunks, pulled them 592 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 1: to the surface empty because the contest of the trunks 593 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: have been left on the bottom. Yeah, Or if they 594 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: didn't burst when they were drug up, say by these 595 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: guys in three, they didn't have gold in them. Well no, 596 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: I'm saying that maybe they still did, but when they 597 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: went sunk back to the bottom it was thirty three 598 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: year oars. The other time that somebody said they snagged 599 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: their money nine, there have been stories. Those are the two. 600 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: Somebody snaggs him and they're dragging them and then they 601 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: lose them and they sink back down in the impact 602 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: with the bottom of the bust them open. So now 603 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: it's a crappy bunch of flotsom and a pile of gold. Yeah, yeah, 604 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: so yeah, it's not That's why I find this thing 605 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: about the five chests to be not quite credible. I agree. Yeah, 606 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: Well there's somebody who disagrees with you, though there always is. Well, 607 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: there's lots of people don't disagree with me. There's two 608 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: guys who have been searching like a lot. One guy 609 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 1: in nineteen eight I read a long article with him 610 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: in like some beach periodical or something, you know, like 611 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: one of those skin diver magazine. There was one art 612 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: There was an article that really kind of got this 613 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: one going. Well, it's it's this other guy. But this 614 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: first guy, his name is Stephen Liebert, and he uh 615 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,879 Speaker 1: surgery dives in in the eighties, and he apparently had 616 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 1: had done hundreds of dives by two thousand one, which 617 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: is when the article was written. And um, yeah, he's 618 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,919 Speaker 1: not the only one. Richard Bennett has spent well over 619 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollars of his own money to find 620 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,240 Speaker 1: this treasure. But here's the real catch of this treasure. 621 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,320 Speaker 1: This is my favorite part of this, this whole story, 622 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 1: is that the treasure, if it does exist, is on 623 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 1: state land Poverty. It's it falls under the purview of 624 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,839 Speaker 1: the Poverty Island State Park um, which means that if 625 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 1: somebody does find it, the state owns it and the 626 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,919 Speaker 1: person who found it gets down of oh, you don't 627 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 1: even get at you don't get a cut. No it's not. No, 628 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 1: it's all seized by the state because it's state property 629 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 1: of historic value so much that there goes my incentive structure. Yeah, 630 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna bother. I was going, I was all 631 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: set to go out there. But now, well, but I 632 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,839 Speaker 1: actually remember reading something about those cases where people have 633 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: fought that rule. Yeah. So the thing, the thing that 634 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,359 Speaker 1: happens really is that you basically you have a bunch 635 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 1: of money and the state says, well, that's our money, 636 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: and you say, no, it's not I have it, it's 637 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: my money. And they say, but it's our money, and 638 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 1: you say, all right, I'll give you of this money, 639 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 1: and they go okay. Probably I would, yeah, I would 640 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: just I would bring it up and then I would 641 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: just just say, hey, look what I found off the 642 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 1: coast of Bermuda. Yeah, That's what I'd be saying. Yeah, 643 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 1: me too, Yeah, there you go. But it is well, 644 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: it would be okay to the credit of these um 645 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 1: it's Libert and Bennett. Are those the two guys? Okay, 646 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: to their credit. The fact that they haven't found it 647 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: yet is is understandable because whatever had the water is 648 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: extremely cold and extremely murky. Yeah. Well, and there's storms 649 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 1: there all the time, so the bottom is constantly changing. Yeah. 650 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,759 Speaker 1: I would say this is the kind of thing that 651 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: you should lose remotely operated vehicles for that. Yeah. I 652 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 1: mean people and people have actually gone out and found 653 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 1: treasure like in the Atlantic and stuff, I mean incredible treasures, 654 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 1: and almost always they're using r OV. Yeah, they've started, 655 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 1: it's ben It has started using a kind of remote 656 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: camera here. I think it's like a homemade it looks 657 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 1: like PVC. Yeah, it was a big grid kind of 658 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,800 Speaker 1: thing that had the camera on it that he's using now. 659 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 1: But still nothing like that, he said. I guess I 660 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't say if I found treasure like this. Yeah, that's 661 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 1: a good point. Probably wouldn't actually. Yeah, speaking of which 662 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,439 Speaker 1: I read some years back. I read a really great 663 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,479 Speaker 1: book called Ship of Gold in the Deep Blue Sea, 664 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 1: and these guys went out and actually did find a 665 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,319 Speaker 1: shipwreck with a fabulous amount of gold on it, and 666 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 1: then and and it describes how they figured out where 667 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 1: it was and then they and then they home built 668 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 1: basically their own r OV and went out and just 669 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 1: started searching the ocean floor in the likely places, and 670 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: he eventually found it. And so the whole just the 671 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 1: whole story of how they how they managed to figure 672 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,879 Speaker 1: out how to find this thing, and then then they 673 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 1: modified their r o V to actually go inside the 674 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 1: wreckage and pull the gold out. They didn't raise the ship. 675 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 1: That's crazy. Oh it's it's it's really interesting how they 676 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 1: managed to do it. And then the stuff that they 677 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 1: found was just incredible and made them all very very rich. Well, 678 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 1: this is why people like these guys keep doing. Oh yeah, 679 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 1: I mean, who doesn't want to find a shipwreck full 680 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,799 Speaker 1: of gold? And everybody wants to hell? Yeah, alright, well 681 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 1: I have a have a story of lost treasure of 682 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 1: my own. Yeah. So he went to the dryer and 683 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: there was change in his pants when he put him 684 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 1: in it, and now it's not there. Actually to check 685 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: the nrap, Yeah yeah, I did it. Yeah, And I 686 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 1: went outside where you know, the event goes out, and 687 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 1: they weren't there either. No. Actually, now that's just joke. 688 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: I'm telling the story of my lost treasure is Joe's goal. Yeah, 689 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 1: I bought a bunch of gold ing and I put 690 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,400 Speaker 1: it in my safe and then I forgot the combination 691 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 1: to the Yeah, I think it so some people. Some 692 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 1: people believe that Joe's Gold exists. Other people know that 693 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 1: it doesn't. Yeah. Yeah, alright, let's let's be serious. Yeah yeah, 694 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 1: I was kind of like looking around. I mean, there's 695 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 1: so many lost treasures to choose from, and I picked this. 696 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 1: I picked this one because we haven't thrown a bill 697 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 1: into our friends down on here for quite a while. 698 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: And for Aussie friends, Yeah, we're going to talk about 699 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 1: you guessed at Lasseter's reef. Yeah, which is, you know, 700 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 1: in Australia, a pretty huge story. Yeah. And also and 701 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 1: also not a reef. Yeah, I know it's not a 702 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,319 Speaker 1: reef in the sense that you think it is. I'm 703 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,240 Speaker 1: not not even sure why they called it a reef. 704 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:56,319 Speaker 1: It really Yeah, the only thing and I know, if 705 00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: we're wrong, one person email everybody else who was about 706 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 1: to send the email. Don't that other person got it? Yeah, 707 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 1: I understood it as a vein of gold. And it's 708 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:12,080 Speaker 1: a reef almost like it's a structure of rock above ground, 709 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,720 Speaker 1: like a reef would be underwater. It's kind of that 710 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:20,400 Speaker 1: that stone structure, and just which is weird. It's a 711 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 1: reef because I've looked it up while you talked for me. 712 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 1: A reef is a rock or sandbar or other feature 713 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: lying neath the surface of the water, thirty or less 714 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 1: below the water. Yeah. Yeah, Well in this case it 715 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,360 Speaker 1: was I guess reminiscent of a reef, but it was 716 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,960 Speaker 1: it was a quartz ironstone formation that stuck up above 717 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 1: the surface of the of the ground, but was assumed 718 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,879 Speaker 1: to also project quite a way is underneath the ground. Yeah. 719 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 1: And so Harold Bell Lasseter, whose real name was Lewis 720 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 1: lass he started calling himself Harold last here for some 721 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,640 Speaker 1: reason because it sounds cooler. Yeah. And there was and 722 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 1: there was an author named Harold Bell right who wrote 723 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,360 Speaker 1: actually a story about lost treasure, and is believed that 724 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 1: perhaps he renamed himself because of because of that. So, 725 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 1: so Harold Lassner was seventeen, the year was eight seven, 726 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 1: and he wrote through Queensland, Australia to go to the 727 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,440 Speaker 1: Western Australian gold fields too. And some say that he 728 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 1: was actually hurts hunting for rubies. Um, so he's either 729 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,280 Speaker 1: prospecting for gold or hunting for rubies and not really sure. Uh. 730 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:30,920 Speaker 1: He was near the East McDonald Ranges and mountains, in Australia, 731 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,880 Speaker 1: and he decided to travel west to the towards the 732 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,560 Speaker 1: coast and shortcutting through the desert where he became lost. 733 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,200 Speaker 1: And then that's when he came across this formation the reef, 734 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,759 Speaker 1: which was again the courts thing that had it wasn't 735 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:48,400 Speaker 1: solid gold, it just had it had, yeah, exactly, and 736 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,279 Speaker 1: then there's a lot of that. The Quarts formations often 737 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,440 Speaker 1: do have beds of gold, and uh, he took some 738 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,879 Speaker 1: samples and later on when he got back to civilization, 739 00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,359 Speaker 1: he had to have assayed. Uh, and they came out 740 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,520 Speaker 1: to about three yet of gold per ton, which is 741 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,439 Speaker 1: actually pretty good. Yeah, yeah, good, fine, that's but that's 742 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,920 Speaker 1: one version of the story. He actually they told that 743 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,240 Speaker 1: story to the head of the Australian Workers Union because 744 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 1: he was asking them to bank roll an expedition to 745 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,480 Speaker 1: go find the lost reef, which he had stumbled across 746 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,720 Speaker 1: many many years before. This was nineteen nine, actually nineteen 747 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 1: thirty when he pitched to them, I was gonna say, yeah, 748 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 1: a lot of time had gone by. We're talking thirty 749 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 1: years almost. Yeah. Yeah, so we're talking like, well in 750 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,959 Speaker 1: eighteen ninety seven, nineteen thirties, thirty three years before in nine. 751 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,799 Speaker 1: In late nineteen twenty nine, Last Year wrote to an 752 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,240 Speaker 1: Australian government official named Albert Green and telling him about 753 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,680 Speaker 1: finding this reef. He said he found it eighteen years before, 754 00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 1: in nineteen eleven, so he was just confused. He meant 755 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,799 Speaker 1: to say that it was seventeen years ago, thought he 756 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 1: was seventeen. Yeah, I don't know, you know, I really 757 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,480 Speaker 1: don't know. But he actually they actually took it seriously 758 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 1: enough that the letter was referred to a guy named 759 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 1: Herbert Gepp who was chairman of the Development Migration Commission, 760 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 1: and they asked him to investigate and gap in. A 761 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:11,200 Speaker 1: geologist named L. K. Ward interviewed Lasseter in November, and Ward, 762 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,919 Speaker 1: the geologist, said later that Last Year was quote quite 763 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:20,600 Speaker 1: unbalanced unquote. Yeah, doesn't mean he's lying, uh So gaps 764 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,440 Speaker 1: report was kind of tepid about the whole thing. He 765 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,719 Speaker 1: said that I said that any investigation of the reef 766 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 1: should be regarded quote only in the form of a 767 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:33,080 Speaker 1: gamble unquote. So in other words, he didn't think it 768 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,520 Speaker 1: was too terribly credible, and that's why Last Year went 769 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,600 Speaker 1: to the Australian Workers Union and the Australian Workers Union 770 00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,680 Speaker 1: in the end, decided to bankroll an expedition to the 771 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,120 Speaker 1: unit of either five thousand pounds or fifty thousand pounds, 772 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,240 Speaker 1: depending on who you read well, And I remember reading 773 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,080 Speaker 1: that part of the reason that he didn't go for 774 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 1: the gold earlier. I mean we're talking thirty year span, 775 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,600 Speaker 1: is that there was gold that was much easier to 776 00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,840 Speaker 1: get at. Yeah, exactly, I mean there was nobody. Nobody 777 00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,080 Speaker 1: was gonna spend all this money to go find it 778 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,080 Speaker 1: in the middle of the desert. Way, he was in 779 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,120 Speaker 1: a very accessible place. We're just gonna mind it here 780 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,239 Speaker 1: very much. Yeah, they would bring a lot of goal 781 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,839 Speaker 1: out of the ground, and so yeah, that's that's yeah, 782 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:13,920 Speaker 1: that's one good reason. I'm not sure that he spent 783 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,080 Speaker 1: all those years actually prospesting or mining for gold. He 784 00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,160 Speaker 1: he did a lot of different things. He was he 785 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,680 Speaker 1: had a lot of different jobs, and some people who 786 00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,920 Speaker 1: called him a prospect or a minor. But actually I 787 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,000 Speaker 1: don't know that he actually spent much of his life 788 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,279 Speaker 1: actually doing that stuff. Anyway, back to his story, when 789 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,080 Speaker 1: he talked to the Australian Workers Union, he told them 790 00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,440 Speaker 1: the story about how he found in seven and but 791 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,680 Speaker 1: he was lost and he was out in the desert 792 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,440 Speaker 1: with little food, little water, and his horses died and 793 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,640 Speaker 1: he was stranded and in pretty bad shape. But luckily 794 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,759 Speaker 1: for him, a camel driver came by and found him 795 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,719 Speaker 1: and took him to a surveyors camp. And there at 796 00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,600 Speaker 1: the surveyors camp, he uh, he rested and you know, 797 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:57,320 Speaker 1: recuperated a little bit. He met a surveyor named Joseph Harding. Eventually, 798 00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,920 Speaker 1: three years later he and Harding went back and they 799 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,879 Speaker 1: he was able to find the reef again and they 800 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,600 Speaker 1: took a bearing on it with the sexton apparently, And 801 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,919 Speaker 1: but it turned out later when they got back to civilization, uh, 802 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,160 Speaker 1: they found out that their watches were like off by 803 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,279 Speaker 1: at least a couple of hours, and so in order 804 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,040 Speaker 1: to you can fix your latitude without a time piece 805 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:22,040 Speaker 1: with with the sextant, but you can't fix your longitude. 806 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,000 Speaker 1: So they just had no idea their bearings were completely wrong. 807 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,640 Speaker 1: But if they knew, so here's my here's my question 808 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,759 Speaker 1: about that. Though. If you know your watches two to 809 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,520 Speaker 1: four hours off, you can make an adjustment. You can 810 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,840 Speaker 1: make an adjustment, and you should be able to figure 811 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:43,600 Speaker 1: out kind of the sweep of where it. Yeah, yeah, definitely, yeah, 812 00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,120 Speaker 1: you'll know where it is latitude wise, and and obviously 813 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,360 Speaker 1: if you know when I walk my watch is exactly 814 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,600 Speaker 1: two hours off, then you should be able to get 815 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,920 Speaker 1: a pretty decent well. But as far as last year 816 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,600 Speaker 1: was concerned, you know that the whole wash, the whole 817 00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,439 Speaker 1: thing was just yeah. So yeah, uh tell you where 818 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,520 Speaker 1: was I Uh So there was a new expedition to 819 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,680 Speaker 1: Lasseter's Reef, which is underwritten by the Union, in July, 820 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:11,960 Speaker 1: starting in July. It was two trucks and also had 821 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,959 Speaker 1: an aircraft, an airplane. First, pretty cool, it is pretty cool, 822 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,600 Speaker 1: although the airplane actually turned out to be really actually 823 00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:24,040 Speaker 1: worse than useless. I mean this it was supposed to 824 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,880 Speaker 1: be used for reconnaissance and all that stuff, but between 825 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:31,439 Speaker 1: the plane crashing and the plane breaking and it's just yeah, 826 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,239 Speaker 1: at one point it left the pilot stranded in the 827 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:37,799 Speaker 1: wilderness for a couple of weeks before before he was found. Um. Yeah, 828 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,160 Speaker 1: the airplane was actually just a complete pane and they 829 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,640 Speaker 1: set up. But they set up July nineteen thirty. Uh, 830 00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,879 Speaker 1: they all traveled westward to reach its end and what 831 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:49,239 Speaker 1: what the what they were going to do was find 832 00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:53,160 Speaker 1: a suitable staging area, create a landing strip, and then 833 00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,000 Speaker 1: the pilot was going to go back in a truck 834 00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,759 Speaker 1: was with another guy and get the airplane and bring 835 00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,040 Speaker 1: it forward. And then like the other guy was to 836 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,759 Speaker 1: bring a much of supplies back in the truck. Um. 837 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:04,759 Speaker 1: And that was Alice Springs by the way that I 838 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,719 Speaker 1: mentioned it was all out of Alice Springs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 839 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,440 Speaker 1: The pilot would go back to Alice Springs and get 840 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:13,000 Speaker 1: the aircraft. And the overarching theme of this expedition was 841 00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:17,360 Speaker 1: quote and then they went back to Alice Springs because 842 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,680 Speaker 1: that's what they did over and over and over again. 843 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,680 Speaker 1: It's like, oh, everything's gone all to hell, Let's go 844 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:27,280 Speaker 1: back to Alice Springs. Regroup. Long story short. The people, 845 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,759 Speaker 1: the other people of the expedition, Uh, I found that 846 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:35,719 Speaker 1: Lasseter was evasive. Uh. He really wouldn't say anything about 847 00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,719 Speaker 1: where the treasure was. At one point he said like, 848 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,440 Speaker 1: you know, ge, if I tell you where the treasure is, 849 00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,040 Speaker 1: you won't need me anymore. But he wouldn't tell them. 850 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,200 Speaker 1: He wouldn't actually say whether you give them any reliable 851 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:49,960 Speaker 1: information to try to lead them to where the reef was. Eventually, 852 00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,719 Speaker 1: other members of the expedition came to believe number one 853 00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,080 Speaker 1: that he was like crazy number two that he was 854 00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,040 Speaker 1: not being honest. Yeah, and there was there was a 855 00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,839 Speaker 1: big fall out over the whole thing, an event he 856 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,560 Speaker 1: was ditched. Then he went off with one of the guy, 857 00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,800 Speaker 1: a dingo hunter I think, a dingo hunter. Yeah. I 858 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:08,880 Speaker 1: went up with him and some camels I think, and 859 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,280 Speaker 1: looking for it. And eventually those two fell out because 860 00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,799 Speaker 1: Last basically said, hey, I went off wandering and I 861 00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,839 Speaker 1: found it, and I guess, great, let's go find let's 862 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:21,479 Speaker 1: go look at it. He's like, oh, I'm not telling 863 00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,279 Speaker 1: you where it is. And so the guy's like and 864 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,480 Speaker 1: so there was a fight over that he didn't he 865 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,719 Speaker 1: said he brought back some rocks that he said we're 866 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:35,000 Speaker 1: from it. Yeah, but he wouldn't show him to him either. Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah, yeah, 867 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,400 Speaker 1: last I know, And it ended kind of tragically for Laster. 868 00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:42,720 Speaker 1: He wound up alone with a couple of camels left him. Yeah, 869 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:47,000 Speaker 1: and he went off alone and eventually his camel's bolted 870 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,000 Speaker 1: and he was left stranded with very little food or 871 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,919 Speaker 1: water and and hem. Yeah, he was in a bad way. 872 00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,439 Speaker 1: Luckily for him, he was prefriended by some local Aborigines 873 00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,759 Speaker 1: who helped him out. But apparently didn't help him quite enough, 874 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,480 Speaker 1: because eventually he did die anyway, Yeah, and uh in 875 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,439 Speaker 1: the in the desert, Yeah, he did well. I heard 876 00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,560 Speaker 1: that there was talk that he had stayed in the 877 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,080 Speaker 1: area and that the Aborigines for helping him. And I 878 00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,479 Speaker 1: don't know how they know this part, okay, so don't 879 00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,600 Speaker 1: ask me for the details, but I remember reading something 880 00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,640 Speaker 1: about the fact that they said he had made a 881 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:25,040 Speaker 1: belated attempt to return to Alice Springs. In other words, 882 00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,000 Speaker 1: he stayed there too long, didn't have you know, they 883 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,680 Speaker 1: gave him food and water and he used up a 884 00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,120 Speaker 1: big chunk of it before deciding I should probably go home. 885 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,680 Speaker 1: That that could very well be it. Yeah, and so 886 00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:41,960 Speaker 1: bad judgment, but he'shibited a lot of bad judgment. Who Yeah, 887 00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,439 Speaker 1: Since he was missing for so long, a guy named 888 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,560 Speaker 1: Bob buck was was asked to go out there and 889 00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,000 Speaker 1: find him if at all possible, and he was. He 890 00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,760 Speaker 1: was a bushman, very experienced, and he spent eleven weeks 891 00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:58,319 Speaker 1: looking around for tracks of Lasseter. Yeah, eleven weeks. He 892 00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,960 Speaker 1: found signs, he followed the signs sense. This guy must 893 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,359 Speaker 1: have been an incredible bushman. Yeah. Um, and he came 894 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,840 Speaker 1: across a gathering of Aborigines and who denied any knowledge 895 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,320 Speaker 1: of him. But eventually they took him to the place 896 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,759 Speaker 1: where he was, where his body was, and they hadn't 897 00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,960 Speaker 1: killed him, but it does appear they didn't really support 898 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:20,120 Speaker 1: him much either, and so he eventually died and Buck 899 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:24,120 Speaker 1: searched for his notes and stuff and otherwise just buried 900 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,480 Speaker 1: his body there. Eventually his body was relocated and moved 901 00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,680 Speaker 1: to it to a different grave. Yeah, that that was 902 00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,239 Speaker 1: the end of Lasterter. And of course the reef as 903 00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,719 Speaker 1: far as any notes, you know, you think he'd write 904 00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,440 Speaker 1: a note, straw map whatever. He didn't do that. Laster 905 00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:41,520 Speaker 1: didn't do that kept it all in his head apparently. Yeah. Yeah, 906 00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,520 Speaker 1: so and also samples those rocks that he supposedly found, 907 00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:49,600 Speaker 1: those were not found. So yeah, so somewhere out there 908 00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,400 Speaker 1: is Laster's reef or maybe not can say is we 909 00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,560 Speaker 1: really at this point we have nothing to corroborate that 910 00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,520 Speaker 1: it's real? Yeah, now he uh last, it appears to 911 00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,040 Speaker 1: be kind of dishonest, or it was kind of dishonest. 912 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,360 Speaker 1: And there's you know, let's face it, there's lots of 913 00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,440 Speaker 1: people out there who want attention. Why the thing that 914 00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,719 Speaker 1: I his behavior is what makes me think what I'm 915 00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,239 Speaker 1: about to go into. I get the feeling that what 916 00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,799 Speaker 1: he wanted from the Union was for them to give 917 00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,800 Speaker 1: him the money to go do the search with maybe 918 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,200 Speaker 1: one or two people. Yeah, but they insisted on a 919 00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,680 Speaker 1: more structured thing. Yeah, they turned it into this big thing. 920 00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,560 Speaker 1: Like I almost feel like he kind of wanted to 921 00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:32,160 Speaker 1: take the money and run and when he couldn't do that, 922 00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,640 Speaker 1: oh oh crap, what do I do? Yeah? And he 923 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,080 Speaker 1: just played this game that blew up in his face. Yeah, 924 00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,840 Speaker 1: I think. Yeah, according to this his companions, he was 925 00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:46,719 Speaker 1: just kind of sullen and yeah, I think I think 926 00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,920 Speaker 1: he might be right. There's other reasons to doubt his story. 927 00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,080 Speaker 1: In nineteen eleven, apparently he was living in a town 928 00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,239 Speaker 1: called I'm probably mispronouncing them Tabby Lamb, which is on 929 00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,799 Speaker 1: the table, which is on the far east coast of Australia. 930 00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,600 Speaker 1: So nineteen eleven was was one one time when he 931 00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,120 Speaker 1: claimed to have been way out in the west finding 932 00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,000 Speaker 1: this thing, but he was in a completely different area. 933 00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,359 Speaker 1: He was nowhere nearby. I've heard two different stories about Worry. 934 00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,400 Speaker 1: It was in eighteen ninety seven. Uh I found on 935 00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:18,400 Speaker 1: Wikipedia they said that in eighteen ninety seven when he 936 00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,520 Speaker 1: claimed to have found it, he was actually in reform school. 937 00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,920 Speaker 1: I remember seeing that. Yeah, Although he himself and his 938 00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,839 Speaker 1: own autobiographical notes claimed that he was in the Royal 939 00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,640 Speaker 1: Navy for four years, beginning in eighteen ninety seven and 940 00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,879 Speaker 1: ending in nineteen o one, which means that even if 941 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,719 Speaker 1: he somehow found the reef in eighteen ninety seven, ran 942 00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,239 Speaker 1: off and joined the navy got out in nineteen o one, 943 00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,000 Speaker 1: was he able to Would he have been able to 944 00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:45,360 Speaker 1: go back three years later, basically nineteen hundred with Harding 945 00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:49,480 Speaker 1: and find the reef again? If it was, there's a 946 00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,560 Speaker 1: little contradiction, and maybe he's just lying about serving in 947 00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,359 Speaker 1: the Navy and maybe he wasn't, But it does If 948 00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,560 Speaker 1: that's the case, it does sort of uncuttish credibility a 949 00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:01,960 Speaker 1: little bit. Do we know for Harding? Do we have 950 00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,920 Speaker 1: any record from Harding that he actually went on this 951 00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,880 Speaker 1: expedition with Lasseter. I don't know if Harding even existed. 952 00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,360 Speaker 1: Tell you the truth, Okay, yeah, I don't know. I 953 00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,600 Speaker 1: mean I did a little looking and I didn't see it, 954 00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,160 Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean that it's not there. It means 955 00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,440 Speaker 1: that I just didn't find it. Yeah. No, there might 956 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,560 Speaker 1: might have been. There might have been a Joseph Harding, 957 00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,640 Speaker 1: but I doesn't seem all that well documented. And as 958 00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,280 Speaker 1: to whether he actually went out and found the reef 959 00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:31,440 Speaker 1: with Lasseter, you know who the hell knows? So theories 960 00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,520 Speaker 1: it's real or it's not real. Yeah, I just talked 961 00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,040 Speaker 1: about that, didn't I think I think it's not real. Well, 962 00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,640 Speaker 1: I have a feeling it's not real. Well, well, there's 963 00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,200 Speaker 1: there's something in between, which is that somebody lost his 964 00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:47,759 Speaker 1: wallet it's still out there in the desert. Yeah, yeah, 965 00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,560 Speaker 1: that's that could be it too. But yeah, I'm so 966 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:55,960 Speaker 1: sorry to our our Aussie friends. Sorry guys, probably not. Yeah, 967 00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,239 Speaker 1: I know some of you, some of you agree with me, 968 00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,400 Speaker 1: and some of you are crushed. But uh and I 969 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,839 Speaker 1: apologize to those of you who are crushed. But yeah, 970 00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,359 Speaker 1: I don't think it ever existed. Okay, so all right, 971 00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,680 Speaker 1: it doesn't exist? Okay, all right, Well that was fun. 972 00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,360 Speaker 1: We just talked about three treasures that I don't know, 973 00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:18,879 Speaker 1: definitely don't exist. Appreciate, Yeah, truly lost treasures. Yeah yeah, 974 00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:20,680 Speaker 1: I mean the whole the whole ship of pearls. I 975 00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,399 Speaker 1: mean it's like, are you kidding me? 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