1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast, The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: Sitting in for Clay and Buck today syndicated radio personality 4 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: Michael Berry. 5 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 2: And honored to do so. Have you ever been at 6 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 2: a party, or maybe you're having lunch with the folks 7 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:23,479 Speaker 2: you work with, and you. 8 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 3: Become enthralled in a group conversation, and maybe you're arguing 9 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 3: that your team is going to be you know, another 10 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 3: group of folks team this Saturday or Sunday or Monday. 11 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 3: Or you're arguing over what's the best restaurant or who 12 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 3: was the prettiest girl, or who was the best actor 13 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 3: on this particular and you become in the moment very 14 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 3: impassioned in making your point. And so maybe you make 15 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 3: an analogy or a reference to something without thinking it through, 16 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 3: and someone says, that's the dumbest thing, and when you 17 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 3: unravel it, you realize, oh, yeah, that analogy doesn't hold up, 18 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 3: doesn't Well. I had one of those moments in the 19 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 3: last segment, and some of you have been kind enough 20 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 3: to note that many of my references are terribly out 21 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 3: of date, and that is fair. Uh, but I made 22 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 3: a reference of Gary Templeton being traded straight up for 23 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 3: and I said, Ozzy Gean. Some of you were kind 24 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 3: enough to point out it wasn't Isaac Gien, it was 25 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 3: Ozzy Smith. And of course I knew that Ozzie Smith 26 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 3: was the Wizard, but not that it matters. The reason 27 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 3: Ozzy gian comes to mind is I grew up in 28 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 3: a little town called Orange, Texas. It's in southeast Texas. 29 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 3: It's on the Louisiana border, and if you drove from 30 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 3: California to Florida on iten the last town you would 31 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 3: pass as you were going through Texas and entering into Louisiana. 32 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 3: It's a little town of Orange, very proud of the place, 33 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 3: love it. Don't live there anymore. I live in Houston. 34 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 3: But growing up there, we didn't have any professional sports teams, 35 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 3: although it was the birthplace of Wade Phillips, great football coach, 36 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 3: Bum Phillips, great football coach, and some other great athletes 37 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 3: and sports luminaries over the years. Well, because we didn't 38 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 3: have a team there, we would drive to Houston to 39 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 3: watch the Astros, the Rockets, and the Oilers, which was 40 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 3: our team at the time. But we had a double 41 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 3: a baseball team in Beaumont called the Golden Gators, and 42 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 3: oddly they weren't an Astro's minor league team. They were 43 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 3: a Padres minor league team. And on that team were 44 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 3: two guys that went on to have great careers, Benito 45 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 3: Santiago and Ozzie Gien. And I say all that to 46 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 3: make an excuse for why I said Ozzie Gien instead 47 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 3: of Ozzie Smith, since we're on the subject of sports metaphors, 48 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 3: and Clay makes them much better than I do, and 49 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 3: that's his strong suit, not mine. I read something from 50 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 3: a guy named Tarique Laqueur, and he says in his 51 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 3: biography that he's a physicist, and or yet he says 52 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 3: that he's a physicist, but he posted something it's not 53 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 3: really a sports story. And I hope this hits home 54 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 3: because if my point I'm making here hits home to 55 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 3: some folks, it will be far more important than anything 56 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 3: I've said about anything else during this week. Let me 57 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 3: first set the stage. The University of Texas is playing 58 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 3: in the college football playoffs, which will begin this weekend, 59 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 3: and the University of Texas Longhorns are playing Washington and 60 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 3: of course Michigan is playing to be whipped by Alabama, 61 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 3: and so those four teams, the two winners will play. 62 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 2: In the national Championship. It's a big deal. 63 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 3: When the playoff system started, I think in twenty thirteen, 64 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 3: since that time, the University of Texas hasn't made the playoffs. 65 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 3: So it's very exciting for Longhorns fans and a lot 66 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 3: of people in Texas that the team is playing in 67 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 3: the playoff and that's a big deal. Their coach is 68 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 3: a guy named Steve Sarkisian and Sarkisian or Sarcus he's known, 69 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 3: has been around for a while and he's a very 70 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 3: very well regarded coach, having been an assistant for Nick Saban, 71 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 3: the greatest coach in college football today, and having been 72 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 3: at USC, which is a dream job. But I say 73 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 3: all that to say this. The post that was put 74 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 3: up by this scientist was in twenty fifteen, Steve Sarkisian 75 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 3: hit rock bottom. He lost his family, he lost his 76 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 3: dream job, and it looked like he might not coach again. 77 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 3: In twenty twenty three, he's now a conference champion and 78 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 3: he's led Texas to its first college football playoff Berth. 79 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 3: Get your Horns up for sark, not just as a coach, 80 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 3: but as a human being. And I think that is 81 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 3: probably the best message I can convey today, Which is 82 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 3: the most important role, the place into which God put 83 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 3: every one of us is as a mother and a father, 84 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 3: as a teacher. We're all educators, whether we're part of 85 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 3: the school district or not. Every single one of us 86 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 3: is endowed with God, by God, with a skill set 87 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 3: and a responsibility to raise the next generation. And we're 88 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 3: all very quick to say, well, inner city communities aren't 89 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 3: raising their kids right. Look at this, they're behaving, batter it. 90 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 3: And these people over here aren't raising their kids right 91 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 3: because look at what they're doing. They're on their phones 92 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 3: all the time, or they're on fentanyl, or they're doing. 93 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 2: This, or they're doing this. 94 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 3: But unfortunately, I don't think very many people are holding 95 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 3: up well if we judge by one standard, and that 96 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 3: is are you as good a parent to your children 97 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 3: as your parents were to you? Are you teaching them 98 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 3: the life lessons? The biggest lesson to come out of 99 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 3: that game on Monday night is not that the University 100 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 3: of Texas will beat Washington. It's not that the Pac 101 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 3: ten or Pac twelve. It doesn't exist anymore, was overhyped, 102 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 3: and none of those teams were as good as anybody believed. 103 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 3: It's not that their quarterback wasn't that good and shouldn't 104 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 3: have been a Heisman contender, it's not. All of those 105 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:48,679 Speaker 3: things may be true, but the bigger, more important lesson 106 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 3: is and this is what we should be teaching our 107 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 3: kids and using examples to do that with, because guess what. 108 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 3: People are going to get in trouble with alcohol. They're 109 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 3: going to get in trouble with drugs. They're going to 110 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 3: get in trouble with sex. They're going to get in 111 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 3: trouble with gambling. They're going to get in trouble with 112 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 3: driving too fast, horsing around, flirting with somebody with whom 113 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 3: or at the time of which they shouldn't flirt with. 114 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 3: They're going to get in trouble with ethical dilemmas where 115 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 3: they sometimes make the wrong choice. They're going to take 116 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 3: us when they should have walked away. All of these 117 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 3: things are going to happen in life, if not to you, 118 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 3: then someone around you. And one of my fears is 119 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 3: that even you, even the people most engaged in preserving 120 00:07:54,760 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 3: our values, in preserving our republic, in ensuring that right 121 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 3: is done and not wrong. And I don't just mean 122 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 3: election integrity, I mean integrity and everything. That's why we 123 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 3: oppose diversity, equity and inclusion rules, not because this person 124 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 3: wins and this person loses, because it's awful, because when 125 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 3: you replace merit with things into which you're born, you 126 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 3: destroy what makes America great. When you replace capitalism and 127 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 3: opportunity with socialism, it isn't just that you've chosen another 128 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 3: country system or Alexandria Casio Cortes's idea of the week 129 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 3: with what was mine or yours. It's that the results 130 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 3: will be worse for generations to come. In other words, 131 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 3: it matters which team, which idea, which philosophy wins, not 132 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 3: because these fans will be sad and these fans will 133 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 3: be happy. It's not a football game. 134 00:08:58,800 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 2: It's life. 135 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 3: It's our nation, it's our future, it's our children, and 136 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 3: these things matter. 137 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 2: The matter a lot. 138 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 3: And that's where I think we have to be very 139 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 3: careful because our politics can very easily devolve into sport. 140 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 3: And you want to know how you're caught up in 141 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 3: politics as sport. If your opinion of an individual who 142 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 3: is seeking to be the commander in chief, the president 143 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 3: of the United States can change overnight based on whether 144 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 3: they run for president or don't, based on who they 145 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 3: endorse for president, based on any of these factors other 146 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 3: than the man or woman that they are and the 147 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 3: life they have lived. I'm glad my wife doesn't decide 148 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 3: to divorce me on the basis of who I I 149 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 3: rooted for in a game, or who I endorsed in 150 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 3: an election, or my opinion on some arcane idea that 151 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 3: I was asked about at a rally in a state 152 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 3: I'd never visited before. When it's late at night and 153 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 3: I've been to three states that day, We've got to 154 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 3: be better than that. And that doesn't mean we got 155 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 3: to wait on other people to be better. That means 156 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 3: we ourselves have to be better to ensure that other 157 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 3: people are better, and when they're not better, we have 158 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 3: to call them on it. 159 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 2: I'm mad as. 160 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 3: Hell, and I won't take this anymore, because when you're 161 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 3: mad as hell and you start screaming, you think you're 162 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 3: only a drop in the ocean. But the ocean is 163 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 3: actually comprised of a lot of drops, and they add up. 164 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 3: The best example I can give you of late is 165 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 3: when you see what happened with the school boards, particularly 166 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 3: in Virginia, but when you see what happened in school 167 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,719 Speaker 3: boards across the country, when you see what happened when 168 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 3: the lockdowns had to end long before they wanted them to. 169 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 3: If you get mad as hell and you start screaming 170 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 3: about it, and you start following what you believe to 171 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 3: be principal, without any fear, without any pettiness, doesn't happen overnight, 172 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 3: certainly not as fast as we want it to, But 173 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 3: it happens. One eight hundred two eight two two eight 174 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 3: eight two. I'm Michael Berry in for Clay and Buck 175 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 3: and more of that coming up. 176 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 4: One truth. 177 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 2: Eight two two eight eight two. 178 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 3: We'll start with Darren in Alabama. You are up, good, sir. 179 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 3: Alabama is well represented today. 180 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 4: Oh that's fantastic. Boy, What an honor it is to 181 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 4: dial this number and get on the air with the 182 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 4: greatest audience that has ever been ever. 183 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 2: It's incredible. 184 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 4: So, and what an honor must be for you to 185 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 4: sit in that seat and delivered what I thought was 186 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 4: a knockout soliloquy there. And I couldn't help but think 187 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 4: that what you were talking about is a kind of 188 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 4: a psychological term that I think that if people have 189 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 4: it as a term, they'll be able to use it 190 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 4: to think about maybe a more positive way of doing politics. 191 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 4: And that's called splitting. The psychological term splitting means that 192 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,239 Speaker 4: we begin to see someone in light of only their virtues. 193 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 4: But then something happens, like you said, maybe we see 194 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 4: the r behind their name, and we stop seeing them 195 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 4: in light of their virtues and see them only in 196 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 4: the blackest of their vices, or and so it becomes 197 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 4: one of those deals where you are totally bad and 198 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 4: any good you have is just kind of an accident, 199 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 4: instead of you're really good. As soljiern Ethan told us, 200 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 4: the line between good and evil cuts through every human 201 00:12:56,080 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 4: heart and every great person. There's a little read doubt 202 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 4: of evil, and even in the most evil soul there's 203 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 4: a little bit of goodness. And I think that what 204 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 4: we need to have is a Reaganesque return, where we 205 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:15,599 Speaker 4: lead America towards their better angels again, instead of this 206 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 4: gnashing of teeth where what we have constantly, in Kipling's line, 207 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 4: is idiots streaming lives at each other across a sea 208 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 4: of misunderstanding, and all we get is venom when there's 209 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 4: thoughtful answers and solutions. Rogers Scrutin used to say that 210 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 4: the best conservative answers we can offer are those that 211 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 4: present themselves as escapes from liberal evils. And sometimes I 212 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 4: just look at our party and I think that they 213 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 4: just want Dylan's to mask their teeth at instead of 214 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 4: fighting for principles and ideas that are worth saving. And 215 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 4: what I said, the best thing I probably ever wrote, 216 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 4: was that history will break again and again on the 217 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 4: permanent things like an angry sea on a rocky coast, 218 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 4: and that civilizations will rise and fall as old and 219 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 4: eternal truths fall in and out of favor. I just 220 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 4: hope twenty twenty four we just start being more Reaganesque, 221 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 4: more kind and realizing that it's that center ten percent 222 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 4: that really decides the elections. And if you win them 223 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 4: over on your side, then you can rule with a mandate. 224 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 4: You can and you can get stuff done. But I 225 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 4: don't want us pushing our stuff down their throat anymore. 226 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 4: And I want to them crammin and there's down on ours. 227 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 4: I sound like a kratterity old man, now, don't I. 228 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 2: No, not at all. 229 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 3: I thank you for the call, you'll actually sound to 230 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 3: me like an individual that has had a moment of clarity. 231 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 2: Where you see. 232 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 3: Beyond the here and now and the moment and the personalities. 233 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 3: Civilizations rise and fall, ideas have moments in the sun, 234 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 3: and some can last for centuries and others can die off. 235 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:11,239 Speaker 3: When you look at the clash between say, capitalism and socialism, 236 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 3: which oversimplifies the matter, this clash is a long standing 237 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 3: battle of titans. And when you understand that that battle 238 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 3: is not just Obama's vision versus your vision, it is 239 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 3: a battle of the role of the individual to the collective. 240 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 3: And you can go back throughout history and realize that 241 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 3: these are the sorts of things over which we've been 242 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 3: battling and arguing from the beginning of time. And once 243 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 3: you understand that, it makes what we're doing a much 244 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 3: more epic battle. And I think when you can fashion 245 00:15:56,080 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 3: what's happening into something bigger, then we begin saying, Okay, 246 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 3: it's not as important that you didn't answer that question 247 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 3: correctly on the questionnaire. It's not as important that an 248 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 3: answer you gave there. It's it's not as important Eugene 249 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 3: McCarthy that goofball. He's crying as he's walking along in 250 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 3: New Hampshire and his tears crystallized and it destroyed him 251 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 3: as this weak candidate. It would have been a terrible president, 252 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 3: but that's how he'll always be remembered. It strikes me 253 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 3: that the ideas are so much bigger than the men 254 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 3: and women, or at least should be. This segment felt 255 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 3: way too short, but it's over. I'm Michael Berry in 256 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 3: for Clay and Buck, and we'll have more coming up. 257 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth. 258 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 3: I wanted to pivot for a moment and go to 259 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 3: a subject that I was hoping to get to at 260 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 3: some point this week. 261 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 2: Might as well. Might as well do that now, And that. 262 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 3: Is the issue of education, because when we talk about 263 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:14,479 Speaker 3: politics going forward, we're not actually changing anything in the present, 264 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 3: and we may not be planning the seeds to change 265 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 3: the harvest for the future, so that if we're not 266 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 3: fixing the problem with the next generation, we're headed the 267 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 3: wrong direction. So I found a fellow who posts under 268 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 3: the name of Rebel Educator, and I think it's a man. 269 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 3: He posts several things about how education has changed, and 270 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 3: it strikes me that this is a subject that doesn't 271 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 3: get enough attention because it's a subject that doesn't go 272 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 3: to it. 273 00:17:57,840 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 2: Hold on this a moment. 274 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 3: Let me go to JB Tennessee because I dropped that story, 275 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 3: and I'll come back to that story. Let's go to 276 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 3: JB and Tennessee and then I'll read to you. But 277 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 3: if you want to find him on Twitter, it's it's 278 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 3: his Twitter handle is at rebel educator, and he posts 279 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 3: some great stuff for homeschoolers and for people who want 280 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 3: to be more involved in their kids' education. And I 281 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 3: found it to be very enlightening. And I'll get to 282 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 3: that in the moment. JV and Tennessee. You're up, sir, 283 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 3: go ahead, I. 284 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 5: Mike, thank you. I just wanted to respond a little 285 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 5: bit to the last caller, who you could hear the 286 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 5: passion in his voice about how we want to try 287 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 5: to get along, and I just, I just I think 288 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 5: the Republicans have just kept a eeasing and a peasing, 289 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 5: a feasing to the Democrat. It's kind of like the 290 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 5: Israeli Palestinian thing in my opinion, that the Israelis have 291 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 5: just been nice and you know, in terms of not 292 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 5: just wiping them off the face of the earth all 293 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 5: this time ago and given him all these chances. We've 294 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 5: given Democrats chance after chance after chance to to the 295 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 5: middle ground. 296 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 4: But where are we now. 297 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 5: We're so far left now, it's we we we can't 298 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 5: do it anymore. We have got to declare war against 299 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 5: the Democrats and just it. I like the passion. I 300 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 5: have the same kind I mean, but I'm a little 301 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 5: bit more cynical in my older age, I think. 302 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 2: And if JB. 303 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 3: Gumbai is, I don't know if you've ever had this situation. Uh, 304 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 3: My wife and I have known women over the years, 305 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 3: and I know and in fact, we've known men on 306 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:37,360 Speaker 3: the on the inverse, if you've ever known of a 307 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 3: person who is in a bad relationship, Let's say you 308 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 3: have a friend, or your wife has a friend who's 309 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 3: a female, and her husband is very abusive. Many times, 310 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 3: what will happen is that she will make excuses for 311 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 3: his abuse, and she'll just keep thinking, if if I 312 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 3: can just be better, he'll stop knocking me around. This 313 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 3: is a natural way, yeah, hold on one. This is 314 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 3: a natural way in which we internalize what is happening 315 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 3: and assume that we can fix it. You know, the 316 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 3: children of alcoholics or the wives, sometimes husbands of alcoholics, 317 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 3: for instance. You know, let's say Dad comes home he's 318 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 3: been drinking. You know, Dad's normally a decent dad, but 319 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 3: when when he's when he's on a vendor, he's coming 320 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 3: home and he's going to take a swing at anybody. 321 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:48,959 Speaker 3: There are plenty of stories and anecdotal cases of people 322 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 3: saying I just believed that that if I could, you know, 323 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,239 Speaker 3: wives saying if I could just not spend money, if 324 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 3: I could just keep the house cleaner, if I could 325 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 3: make his dinner at when he normally wanted it, but 326 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 3: if he came home eight hours later, I heated it 327 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 3: up and it was ready for him. If I could 328 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 3: just give him better sex, if I could just be skinnier, 329 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 3: if I could just be prettier, if I could just 330 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 3: but it's not your choice, it's his. And I think 331 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 3: that what we're seeing and experiencing is that people like 332 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 3: you're talking about you, me, the people around us. I 333 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 3: think that people, our people are good people. They're honest 334 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 3: and honorable, they're open minded, they seek the best. They're idealistic, 335 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 3: they're tolerant of other ideas even as they hold fast 336 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 3: to their own. They're imperfect, but They are the kind 337 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 3: of people you can build a great nation, the greatest 338 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 3: nation in history on, and it's very hard for these 339 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 3: people to grasp the notion that there is evil. It's 340 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 3: very hard for them to grasp the notion that some 341 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 3: dogs have rabies from which they can't come back. We've 342 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 3: seen in Houston, and I know you've seen wherever you are. 343 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 3: We've seen these guys that are repeat criminals and they 344 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 3: commit crime after crime, and you pull their record and 345 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 3: they've got they've got rapes, they've got carjackings, they've got 346 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 3: all these crimes over a period of years, and then 347 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 3: they murder somebody and the Democrat judges let them out 348 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 3: on a pr bond. And it's always this idea that, 349 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 3: well they can be saved. 350 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:34,199 Speaker 2: We don't want to put it. 351 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 3: And that's why there's always these Susan Sarendon type stories 352 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 3: of you know that this guy that was wrongfully convicted, 353 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 3: we're supposed to believe these innocent project there's all these 354 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 3: people that are wrongfully convicted, and there's all these people 355 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 3: that are in prison that shouldn't be there, and we 356 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 3: just just let them all out. 357 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 2: That's what John Bell. 358 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 3: Edwards in Louisiana practically just did just let them all 359 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,719 Speaker 3: out during COVID. They let them all out, you know, 360 00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 3: because we don't want them to get COVID. 361 00:22:58,920 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 2: Inside. 362 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 3: You're safe in a prison than you are outside. But 363 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 3: that aside, what we have to understand is we have 364 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 3: to be true to our own values. We have to 365 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 3: be what we believe we want to be and not 366 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 3: let them change us from that. And that is a 367 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 3: good husband and a good wife, a good son or 368 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 3: daughter to our parents, a good parent to our children, 369 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 3: and that means that should mean something. That should mean 370 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 3: that should be as good a parent to our children 371 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 3: as our parents were to us. And sometimes that means 372 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 3: swatten their butt. And most of the time that means 373 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 3: making decisions and enforcing policies that make them not like 374 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 3: us at that time, whether that be curfew or what 375 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,199 Speaker 3: they can do or who they can do it with, 376 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 3: or whatever else. That means being a parent, not being 377 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 3: their friend. One of the worst worst parenting strategies I've 378 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 3: ever seen. But it means that we have to be 379 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 3: true to who we are first, and then we have 380 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,880 Speaker 3: to understand that there are other people who don't share 381 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 3: our values and never will. When I read you that 382 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 3: tweet to start the show that this woman, a black 383 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 3: woman at Christmas talking to her cousin, another black woman 384 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 3: and her cousin saying, quote, I'd rather see Biden in 385 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 3: a wheelchair on an IV drip than have Trump back 386 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 3: in office. You're never going to fix that person. You know, 387 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 3: there are people who either believe or claim to believe 388 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 3: that OJ didn't cut Nicole's head off. You can't fix that. 389 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 3: That's a rabid dog. So you don't bring that into 390 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 3: your home. You don't hire those people, you don't marry 391 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 3: those people. You don't well, he's my free you. He 392 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 3: wrong almost everything, but he's my friend. That will end badly. 393 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 3: I see this so many times people, Yeah, I got 394 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 3: this one guy. He hangs out well and he makes 395 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 3: everybody mad, but he's our friend. And in time, that's 396 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 3: the guy who makes claims that aren't true, breeds problems 397 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 3: within the group, turns one against another. If you hear 398 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 3: me say one thing today, let it be this. Liberals 399 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 3: are not liberals because they have assessed what's going on 400 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 3: in the world and came to the conclusion that their 401 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:41,360 Speaker 3: policies are better than yours. Liberals are people who started 402 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 3: life without a political opinion. They're people who their daddy 403 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 3: didn't give them any love. They were abandoned. Maybe dad 404 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 3: was never around. Maybe dad left mommy for his secretary. 405 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 3: Maybe daddy had another family that was discovered or went 406 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 3: and created one all of these feelings of abandonment. Maybe 407 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 3: daddy just had a job where he traveled, or he 408 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 3: was at the office all day and daddy was never there. 409 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 3: Or maybe daddy didn't approve of this child because this 410 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 3: child couldn't throw a baseball, or because this child didn't 411 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 3: live up to what he When that person has a 412 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 3: sense of abandonment, it will carry into their relationships and 413 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 3: it will make them the person they become politically, personally, 414 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 3: and culturally. That person is broken long before they choose. 415 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 2: Their political party. 416 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 3: And by the way, most of you didn't choose to 417 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 3: be Republicans or conservatives. You like to think you did, 418 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 3: and that's cute. You were raised in a two parent home. 419 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 3: Most of you you were raised by loving parents who 420 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 3: disciplined you and loved you, who provided for you the 421 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 3: best they could, who coached you and taught you, who 422 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 3: took you to church, who sent you to a school 423 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 3: where the teachers. 424 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 2: A damn about you. 425 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 3: And then you were taught how to treat yourself, how 426 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 3: to respect yourself in the opposite sex. You were taught 427 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 3: how to treat a lady, or if you were a lady, 428 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 3: how to become how to act like a lady. You 429 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 3: were taught the importance of family and children and family 430 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 3: meals and church and patriotism and respecting law enforcement and 431 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 3: our veterans, so that by the time you came to 432 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 3: the point that you made decisions for yourself, you've already 433 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 3: been conditioned into right and wrong, some of it without 434 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 3: even realizing it. Well, those people are just as broken 435 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 3: as you are well put together, and the problem is 436 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 3: you can't fix them. So go find other people that 437 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 3: share your values, teach them how to engage and win 438 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 3: back the country and understand it's a war, because you'll 439 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,959 Speaker 3: never convince those idiots that you're right and they're wrong. 440 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 3: You just never will. Michael Berry in for Clay and Buck. 441 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 3: One more segment coming up. 442 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: Download and News than You Clay at Fuckcast. Listen to 443 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: the program live catch up on any part of the 444 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: show you might have missed. Your CNB twenty four to 445 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: seven subscription to get access to the guys, fine the 446 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: klay and buck app in your wrapp store and make 447 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 1: it part of your day. 448 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 3: So I met my wife when I was eighteen years old, 449 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 3: thirty five years ago, thirty four and a half years ago. 450 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 3: We were at the University of Houston where she had 451 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 3: just arrived from India as a graduate student. She's three 452 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 3: years older than me. She just graduated from university in 453 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 3: India and she was working on a graduate degree and 454 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 3: I was a freshman beginning college at the University of Houston. 455 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 3: And we met and fell in love and that was that. 456 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 3: So on my first visit to India, when I arrived 457 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 3: and I went looking for food, Oddly enough, there weren't 458 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 3: any cheeseburgers and milkshakes, pizza or fried chicken, the kind 459 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 3: of food that I had grown up on. In fact, 460 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 3: the food didn't look so at all. There was what 461 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 3: they called doll trouble. There was rice and a lentil 462 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 3: made into a paste. 463 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 2: Hell is this? 464 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 3: None of it made any sense to me. And then 465 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 3: the first time I went to Africa, I remember being 466 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 3: offered a dish called kitfo, which is basically a raw 467 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 3: meat uncooked, and I thought, my goodness, people eat this yeah, 468 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 3: everybody eats it, and they ate something called jerro, which 469 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 3: is a bread with the highest protein you can get 470 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 3: out of a bread made out of something called tef 471 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 3: which we don't even have in the United States. You 472 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 3: have to import it. And yet, when my wife went 473 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 3: with me on our first date, we saw the movie 474 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 3: Harlem Knights, and then we are first Yeah, so we 475 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 3: go see the movie Harlem Nights, and then I take 476 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 3: her to Taco Bell, a favorite of mine because I 477 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 3: could eat for a dollar ninety two, two bean burritos, 478 00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 3: no onions, and a tostada and a water for a 479 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 3: doll ninety two on a student's budget. 480 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:02,479 Speaker 2: It was perfect. 481 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 3: And I said, what do you want, and she said, 482 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 3: you just order for me. Well, I didn't know, because 483 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 3: she'd never I didn't know. That was because she'd never 484 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 3: been to a Taco Bell. And she tells the story 485 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 3: now laughingly because she's a very strong personality. But at 486 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 3: the beginning, she'd kind of go along to get along, 487 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 3: and when we'd go to a burger joint, I would 488 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 3: order her burgers exactly the way I eat them, because 489 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 3: she'd never had burgers, so she didn't have a preference, 490 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 3: and I didn't know she wanted mustard and lettuce and 491 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 3: tomato and onions, and the first time she did that, 492 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 3: I thought, insurrection in my home. 493 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 2: What are you doing? Well? She said, I've always wanted 494 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 2: that stuff. 495 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 3: But you ordered the burger. And so there was this 496 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 3: funny moment where we realized that so much of who 497 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 3: and what we are by the time we turned eighteen 498 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 3: is what we were exposed to. Everybody she knew growing 499 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 3: up was a Hindu. Everybody I knew growing up was 500 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 3: a Southern Baptist. I didn't meet my first Jewish person 501 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 3: until I was a freshman in college. I didn't meet 502 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 3: my first Muslim until much later. So so much of 503 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 3: who we are when we get to a certain age 504 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 3: is what we've been exposed to. The term mother's milk 505 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 3: has always stuck with me because I don't know about you, 506 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 3: but I crak things that I ate as a child, 507 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 3: and I'll tell you that they're better than what you crave, 508 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 3: because they're what I crave. But I didn't choose to 509 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 3: crave them. I didn't choose chicheronis. 510 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 2: They chose me. 511 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 3: They were there, they were they were at the convenience store. 512 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 3: They were cheap, but for somebody who's had never eaten those. 513 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,479 Speaker 3: My brother in law was one of the blue helmet 514 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 3: soldiers at Hotel Rwanda where you saw Nick Nolty. Well, 515 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 3: my brother in law was in the Indian Army and 516 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 3: he literally was at that hotel wearing the blue helmet 517 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 3: and the whole deal. And my wife and I used 518 00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 3: to go to this grocery store called Fiesta. It was 519 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 3: come an international market, mostly to the poor Mexican immigrant 520 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 3: and things were cheap, and we would get a cardboard 521 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 3: box and we would fill it up and we would 522 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 3: mail that to him in Africa, and it was with foods. 523 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 2: He's vegetarian. It was foods he didn't eat. 524 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 3: But he would trade those foods like the pigskins pork 525 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 3: skins with the American troops for things that they had 526 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 3: that he wanted, like a chocolate bar or whatever else. 527 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 3: And I say all that because the things he craved 528 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 3: were not what I was sending, because I didn't know. 529 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 2: What he craved. It's not just what we crave, it's 530 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 2: how we see. 531 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 3: Beauty, it's the music that we love. I was exposing 532 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 3: my kids the other day to some erasure and telling 533 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 3: them that that's what I listened to when I was 534 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 3: seventeen years old, along with country music. They couldn't believe it, 535 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 3: but it's what I listened to because it was what 536 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 3: I listened to, is what I liked. Once you begin 537 00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 3: to understand that most people with whom you're interacting are 538 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 3: not open to changing their minds. They're not open to 539 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 3: looking at Barack Obama or Donald Trump in a way 540 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 3: different than they've already arrived at based on who they 541 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 3: are as a person, then you begin channeling your energy 542 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 3: as to how can I win elections and change this 543 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 3: country and stop fooling with those people. 544 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 2: Michael Berry will be in with for Clay about tomorrow 545 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 2: See then