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Speaker 1: Hey, I'm Norah Jones and today I'm playing along with

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Speaker 1: Sasha Dobson.

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Speaker 2: I'm just playing long with you. I'm just playing in

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Speaker 2: lone with you. Hey, I'm Nora.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show with me as always Sarah Oda.

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Speaker 1: Hi there, Odi Chan, Hello, Hi.

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Speaker 3: Hi.

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Speaker 1: Our guest today is our sister. She is sister sister.

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Speaker 1: Sasha Dobson is a singer, a songwriter, an incredible guitar player.

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Speaker 1: I love her drum grooves, and she happens to be

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Speaker 1: both of our oldest friends in New York City.

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Speaker 4: This is true. She's also a dancer, but you'll hear

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Speaker 4: more about that later.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's one of my favorite, favorite, most beloved people

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Speaker 1: in my life. Actually, she's one of my best friends,

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Speaker 1: and she's one of my favorite people to collaborate with.

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Speaker 4: She's put out a lot of albums as a solo artist,

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Speaker 4: but she's also a bandmate of yours in Puss and Boots.

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Speaker 4: That's right with Catherine Popper. Yep, we have a band together.

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Speaker 1: In this band, we sort of learned how to play

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Speaker 1: guitar a little bit together. Then she switched to drums

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Speaker 1: and started playing drums. It's been a really fun band

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Speaker 1: of experimentation and chasing different things just for fun and songwriting.

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Speaker 4: And she's a very accomplished, beautiful songwriter, but she's also

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Speaker 4: such a good improviser that I feel like she's a

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Speaker 4: fun musician to have around to kind of just like

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Speaker 4: anything's possible, exactly.

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Speaker 1: I definitely feel like anything's possible with Sasha, like she's

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Speaker 1: always up for anything musically as well, which kind of

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Speaker 1: goes back to I think being raised jazz in that

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Speaker 1: school of music and improvising.

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Speaker 4: I felt like having Sasha on the show as sort

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Speaker 4: of a no brainer because the heart of our show

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Speaker 4: is about collaborating, and I feel like there's something so

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Speaker 4: natural and easy about collaborating with somebody that you know

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Speaker 4: so well, like a family member. It's just in your DNA.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Sasha was the first guest we wanted,

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Speaker 1: she was first on the list, and I've known her

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Speaker 1: so long and I know her so well that actually

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Speaker 1: this episode was hard for me because of the talking stuff.

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Speaker 1: We talk really easily, and that's not a problem, but

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Speaker 1: actually trying to think of things I didn't know about her,

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Speaker 1: or trying to figure out how to pretend I didn't

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Speaker 1: know the answer to the questions I was asking. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but the truth is I learned a lot that I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like we've watched her journey as a musician

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Speaker 4: and a friend for almost twenty years, or more than

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Speaker 4: twenty years, but like there's just little nooks where yeah,

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Speaker 4: I didn't know about her.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, things I didn't really completely know. She is from

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Speaker 1: Santa Cruz, California. She grew up in a family of musicians,

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Speaker 1: jazz musicians specifically, And we talk about all that. I

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Speaker 1: highly recommend you go check out her social media pages

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Speaker 1: and go see her play because she plays all over

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Speaker 1: New York all the time, and see if she's on

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Speaker 1: tour in a city near you. Because she's a beautiful

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Speaker 1: performer and she's a special songwriter. She has become such

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Speaker 1: a special songwriter over the years. You know, I remember

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Speaker 1: when she wrote her first song. We talked about that

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Speaker 1: in this episode. Now she's got so many songs that

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Speaker 1: it was hard for me to choose them for this episode.

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Speaker 4: I just have so much love and respect for her

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Speaker 4: as she's just such a true artist.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's a beautiful human and one of our favorite

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Speaker 1: we just love her so much. You're going to hear

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Speaker 1: a lot of beautiful songs that she wrote in this episode,

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Speaker 1: as well as an old jazz standard that we recorded together.

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Speaker 1: She's one of my favorite guitar players, actually rhythm guitar players,

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Speaker 1: So she brought her guitar and she played some guitar,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to open up with a song we

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Speaker 1: do in Pus some boots that she's going to be

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Speaker 1: playing drums on, So please enjoy.

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Speaker 5: Sasha Dobson, Oh, sister, I don't want to know it you.

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Speaker 6: I don't want to know it's true.

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Speaker 7: You lost your well again, Sister, You've forgot your head again.

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Speaker 6: Bakers. Instead, it's time to let you know.

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Speaker 8: You can take my money, you can take my man.

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Speaker 8: You can try to every think you can check it

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Speaker 8: down the two three buds Eavin's I don't feel.

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Speaker 9: That empty hard.

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Speaker 10: Sisters, You've all learn them wrong. Won't you listen to

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Speaker 10: my song? I can't let you go.

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Speaker 8: Now? You can take that money, can take my man, charity.

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Speaker 8: You think you can chegg it down?

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Speaker 6: Ju be mad?

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Speaker 8: Nevin's gone to feel ity, sister, Oh.

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Speaker 11: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: Won't you listen to myself? I can you.

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Speaker 1: Georgie, Well, your doggie was barking at the door.

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Speaker 6: The whole time.

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Speaker 1: You're awesome, not bad, not bad.

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Speaker 12: It's not for chess.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I miss playing with you. I know. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I know, god, I miss playing with you.

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Speaker 12: I missed it a lot.

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Speaker 1: Oh man.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So we okay, so we share I say our birthdays.

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Speaker 1: We were twenty because we're one day apart. Yes, and

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Speaker 1: we have had many a birthday together. Yes, And so

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Speaker 1: we met. It was it was nineteen ninety nine, okay,

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Speaker 1: the summer that's when I moved to New York. So

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Speaker 1: that's when I was twenty and you were twenty. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: so we shared that gig. But we met for the

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Speaker 1: first time at Carpo's Cafe. Yeah, on Bleaker Street. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because Danielle Guessparo was singing.

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Speaker 12: Right, Yeah, it was her gig. Was playing drums and

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Speaker 12: it was his game. And that's why I was there,

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Speaker 12: that's right, because I followed him around like puppy.

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 12: And I remember you said it and I was.

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Speaker 1: Like, who's that sing Yeah, and you said it and

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Speaker 1: I was like hi, Yeah.

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Speaker 12: I just remember thought, oh my god, she's so friendly,

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Speaker 12: a friendly chess friendly you and Danielle. I was like, oh,

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Speaker 12: she was gonna it out.

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Speaker 10: You know.

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Speaker 1: It was so generous of her too. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: know that's always the jazz scene you're supposed to sit

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Speaker 1: in and all that, but that was not typical. No,

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Speaker 1: it's scary for a sing I don't know. It just

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Speaker 1: felt very generous.

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Speaker 12: Yes, Yeah, and I and that's part of why your friendship.

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Speaker 12: One of the many reasons why your friendship means so

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Speaker 12: much to me is because, yeah, I mean, it feels

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. And I've got to say, I agree

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Speaker 1: they're not mean. I think they get a lot of

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Speaker 12: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: What does the term chick singer mean to you?

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Speaker 12: I mean, I don't really have like a huge hang

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Speaker 12: I do know that I always felt just personally like

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Speaker 12: just quote unquote singing. Yeah, And I do know that

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Speaker 12: I always felt left out in a way when all

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Speaker 1: Especially when like between verses, right or exactly, yeah, they're

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Speaker 12: And now, of course, all this, all these years later,

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Speaker 12: I love you, know me. I love playing rhythm, I

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Speaker 1: You're a great musician, and I think it's so I mean,

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Speaker 1: we've known each other so long, so thinking about I've

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Speaker 1: been having a running conversation with you in my head,

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Speaker 1: which is hilarious because you've also been here at my house.

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Speaker 1: But I'm trying to think of all these things because

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Speaker 1: I know you so well and we have so much

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Speaker 1: shared history. But I want to know about what I

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Speaker 1: don't know about you, which is it's interesting because we

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Speaker 1: and we were both singing jazz. But then both of

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Speaker 1: us have come together doing other things, yeah, and writing songs.

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Speaker 1: And you just played drums. You're a guitar player. I

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Speaker 1: hired you to be in my band once playing rhythm

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Speaker 1: it's kind of wild to me that you didn't start

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Speaker 1: playing an instrument until much later than most people I know. So, okay,

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Speaker 1: so your childhood, you have a jazz family.

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Speaker 12: It's true. I was born into a family of jazz musicians, allible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's incredible.

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Speaker 12: I love them so much, and they're all amazing and

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Speaker 1: Well, so that's what I'm wondering about. Yeah, do you

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Speaker 1: think that's why you didn't Your your mom is a singer, yep.

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Speaker 1: Your brother plays drums and saxophone yeah, and vibes and vibes,

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Speaker 1: and and he's older and he's two years thank you

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Speaker 1: for me, Yeah, he's no. Just for the intimidation, yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard so many stories from it's crazyious because

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Speaker 1: he is crazy. I think I feel him.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, you've heard enough about it.

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Speaker 1: I've heard so much about him. But but you were intimidated,

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Speaker 12: Was like Smith grew up playing with dad, just like

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Speaker 12: Your kids are growing up in a similar way that

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Speaker 12: I did, you know, and I looked up, I mean

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Speaker 12: now after many many years of therapy, piece it together,

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Speaker 12: and see that I was in awe of what was

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Speaker 12: my brother, who wanted me to be a part of it.

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Speaker 12: But I was so shy and I just was but

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Speaker 12: my brother was you know, I didn't know until many

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Speaker 12: many years later that he was definitely like a prodigy,

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Speaker 12: a freaky you know, I mean, like he could play drums.

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Speaker 12: I have videos watching him playing drums at age ten,

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Speaker 12: and it was like, oh, I had no idea.

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Speaker 1: He was like a freak of nature.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, and I didn't know that then. I just was like,

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Speaker 12: why can't I do that? Yeah, I must not be

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Speaker 12: able to like because it just didn't happen. You know,

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Speaker 12: I didn't find it the way he did.

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Speaker 11: I was.

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Speaker 12: It took me a long time to figure out what

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Speaker 1: Well, you always wanted to sing, though, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 12: I mean singing definitely. It was the easiest way to

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Speaker 12: Well, mom and dad sang a lot. Yeah he sang too, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Why you're such a great harmony singer. It is okay

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Speaker 1: That makes so much sense now because I was trying

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Speaker 12: Because that's what my dad got. Well, that's where he

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Speaker 1: Ah. Okay, of course, and his mother and Nana. Nana

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Speaker 12: Oh my god, you made it happen. You surprised me.

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Speaker 12: I think you said, should we ask Nana to sing?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so we thought we'd do that song with her.

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Speaker 12: That that was amazing. She's never cropped up the ending,

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Speaker 1: So your musical roots go way.

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Speaker 12: Back, I'm doomed.

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Speaker 12: Great court of ox. More so, my dad was more

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Speaker 10: You know.

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Speaker 12: Play that one song, ssh, I only know that one

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Speaker 12: It was crazy set up.

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Speaker 1: Did he wear suspenders? Yeah, I feel like that. My

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Speaker 1: I feel like I could totally picture your hands as

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Speaker 12: I mean, once you get older, you can really see

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Speaker 12: and it's different, you know, and you can see these

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Speaker 1: It's amazing.

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Speaker 12: But but yes, I am a late bloomer.

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Speaker 1: But you're not behind anything. I mean, okay, because I

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Speaker 12: I think it was for Leaf Clover?

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's on guitar. Yeah, yeah, I love this song,

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Speaker 1: thanks man, So we should play four leaf Clover. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Inne and we played this song a lot. Yeah, was

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Speaker 12: Maybe it was all happening around the same time. And honestly,

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Speaker 12: On that record yea, which is an amazing situation in scenario,

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Speaker 1: Because he wrote it on that I wanted to.

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Speaker 12: And it took me many years after that to realize

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Speaker 1: You're playing the guitar for the song you wrote on

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Speaker 1: the guitar is what it is.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, exactly exactly.

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Speaker 1: It's not you. If it's someone else playing accompanying me,

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Speaker 12: I get it now.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I get it too. And it doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: it's hardtter. It has nothing to do with it. It's better worse.

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Speaker 12: a It's gonna be so grivy to do that today

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Speaker 12: It's a different thing.

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Speaker 1: It's a totally different thing. All right, Well, let's do

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Speaker 1: four Leaf Clover. I love this song.

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Speaker 3: Fo dot do doo doo doo doo do do.

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Speaker 8: Do do do do.

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Speaker 13: Do doo doo doo. H I found me a falling clover.

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Speaker 9: Didn't change a thing.

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Speaker 14: And I'm hanging by.

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Speaker 6: Stream.

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Speaker 8: Oh no, no, no, one day you will.

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Speaker 15: Seem way.

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Speaker 6: I won't have that conversation.

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Speaker 16: There's nothing left to say. I don't need those expectations.

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Speaker 8: I can't live that way. I don't don't don't.

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Speaker 6: I want to hurt you.

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Speaker 1: How we laugh, we live with.

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Speaker 12: Amazing since we're only twenty five years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're only twenty five years old. But I was like,

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Speaker 12: Into the swing dancing thing. So my mom is a

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Speaker 12: talked about last night. It was like, uh, you know,

441
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 12: the whole skinny dancer thing was not for me. Competitive

442
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 12: not for me. But I still, as you know, love

443
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 12: to dance. My mom is a great swing dancer. So

444
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 12: back then and I well, I was always sort of

445
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 12: made fun of for being a jazz nerd. And I

446
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 12: remember one time, even like in kindergarten, I brought my

447
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 12: dad's jazz record Smithsonian to show and tell to share

448
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 12: to the class. And back then in kindergarten, our teacher

449
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 12: actually had a turntable in the classroom. Wow, like my dad,

450
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,360
Speaker 12: She's put out this record smith Yonian and and I

451
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 12: I remember how it was like my first feeling of like,

452
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 12: I don't know, I just remember experiencing like that thing

453
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 12: where not everybody likes jazz.

454
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, like being like this sounds great to me, Oh no,

455
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: like hearing it through their ears.

456
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 11: Yeah.

457
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't like everybody was like this sucks, but

458
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: they just weren't listening probably, yeah, And the teacher was like,

459
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: and I just remember being like, huh, do you remember

460
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: what you played?

461
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 12: I think it was just like the first song on Smithsonian,

462
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 12: which was I had that smith Yeah, Steve gadd and

463
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 12: Gomez and I don't remember which song it was anyway.

464
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 12: I mean, so with swing dancing. As soon as I

465
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 12: got out of high school early, which I took my

466
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 12: ged and kind of like got out of that scene,

467
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 12: I started, you know, hanging out in cafes and Santa

468
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 12: Cruz and making friends with people who were.

469
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: Older than me who were into the same stuff.

470
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 12: Yeah, who were into the same stuff, and swing dancers

471
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 12: in particular.

472
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: I remember it was huge then. It was huge in

473
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: the nineties, so right, Yeah, it was big.

474
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 12: Yeah, and all my friends or people. All of a sudden,

475
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 12: it was like I was cool for the first time ever.

476
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 12: I was cool for knowing about jazz.

477
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: That is really and I was like yeah.

478
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 12: Well yeah, and my friends wanted to dance to jazz.

479
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 12: So then I was like all in and like, you know,

480
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 12: shaved my eyebrows off and.

481
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 6: Black hair.

482
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was in like a different scene all of

483
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: a sudden.

484
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 12: Yeah.

485
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hung out with the songwriter like I mean,

486
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: I met you and the jazz scene sort of yes,

487
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: and then I was you came.

488
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 12: I didn't even know about other music scenes.

489
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: Well me either when I first moved to New York,

490
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: and then it sort of opened up. So, uh, you

491
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: came on the like songwriter scene, and then you started

492
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: writing songs well well slowly. Well yeah, but man, I

493
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: had trouble choosing songs for this podcast because you've written

494
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: so many great songs things. And but I did have

495
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,719
Speaker 1: a point on anyway, which was that we were fast friends.

496
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: All of a sudden. We were like totally each other's girl,

497
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: you know, and you were getting into you said, you said, hey, Norah,

498
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: I want to learn how to play guitars like me too.

499
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 12: And yeah, I'll never forget that.

500
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: And you said, Okay, I booked a gig at the

501
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: Fat Hat every week in the pool hall part, not

502
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: the back room, but the pool hall. You want to

503
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: like learn. I was like, yeah, but I would have

504
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: never done that. But that whole learning on the gig thing,

505
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: sort of working it out on the gig, that comes

506
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: from both of us. I think just playing playing gigs.

507
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: That's how that's how we did it.

508
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 12: You play gigs. Yeah, you don't spend a lifetime practicing

509
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 12: in your room.

510
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: You get out there, get out there and play music

511
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: with other people. Yeah, And that's so important.

512
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 12: It's so important. I mean, this year it's been so

513
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 12: hard exactly, even though it's an opportunity to work on

514
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 12: other things. And I mean you make the best out

515
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 12: of it or in your own way, but but I yeah,

516
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 12: spiritually it's like it's hard. It's been hard.

517
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, But that's that was you. That was you pushing

518
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: us both into just doing it. And boy, some of

519
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: it was not good, but it was awesome at the

520
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: same time. I mean, we had the harmonies dialed in

521
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: and sometimes we would just drop out because we forgot

522
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: where the chord was. Remember, But then yeah, we'd done

523
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: it for two months every Wednesday, and it felt it

524
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,719
Speaker 1: got better better, and then it got better and then

525
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: it got better.

526
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean it's amazing. I have some old there

527
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 12: are some YouTube thingies up there and I'm like, that

528
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 12: sounds great. Yeah, how is that possible?

529
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: And the stuff where I'm playing guitar with you in

530
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: the early days.

531
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 12: I mean to think that you took me out on

532
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 12: the road back then, I mean I was I didn't

533
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 12: even believe it could ever. I didn't even believe it

534
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 12: could ever happen, you know. I mean, it's amazing when

535
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 12: you you know, you just have a dream to make something.

536
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 12: I don't even know why I'm emotional, but it's like

537
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 12: back then, I just we were working on guitar, but

538
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 12: I just never thought that it could come together.

539
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: Well, you were so good at it, and I asked

540
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: you to come on the road with me because you

541
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: were a better rhythm guitar player than I had played

542
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: with a lot of great guitar players, and I'm not

543
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: saying they weren't great, but there's just something about your

544
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: feel when you're playing guitar. No, I'm not being nice,

545
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: I'm being serious. It just felt natural, It felt connected

546
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: to what I was. I mean, and then obviously the

547
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: harmonies you know, were great. The two things together, it

548
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: was just like a no brainer for me. I was

549
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: so excited.

550
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 12: Well, I wish that I did a better job.

551
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: And you did a great job.

552
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 12: And I am amazed at your trust in me because

553
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 12: looking back, you know, I was so green and like

554
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 12: I've been there, believe it. I didn't believe it, but

555
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 12: but it sounded pretty.

556
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: It sounded great. And you know what we were both

557
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: in like super transitional. Yeah, I was in a huge

558
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: transition in my life, my music, everything. Yeah that was

559
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine.

560
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,479
Speaker 12: Yeah, you've got the doggies. We prove it.

561
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, we our dogs are old now, but we had

562
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: just gotten them. And we brought our dogs on the road.

563
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: That was we had our dogs on the tour bus.

564
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: That was amazing.

565
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 12: That was amazing. And now I never this little nugget.

566
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 12: These two are best friends. Oh my god, I love

567
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 12: so great. I know, really amazing.

568
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 16: I see said, it's up change boo, and it's happening

569
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 16: all around.

570
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 6: And the simple things, the bad, I can't think nothing

571
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 6: of it.

572
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 16: In the distance we create, in the closeness we cat change.

573
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 6: It's the simple things. It's the simple.

574
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 17: Thing.

575
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 16: It's a thoughtful disposition, way looking too mad.

576
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 6: In the words we're using bad and the can is

577
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 6: that w shave.

578
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 15: In the sun.

579
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 6: D's passed through the sun, and I hope we move.

580
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 6: It's the simple things.

581
00:35:50,160 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 9: It's the sable things in a seam of man.

582
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 11: Move thing.

583
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 6: But my body lacks me.

584
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 9: And we die to around.

585
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 6: In circles to a temple we can't.

586
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 8: Fine, and A try to tell you our fee.

587
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 18: But we never make that time. It's the simple thing.

588
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 18: It's the simple.

589
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 11: Thing.

590
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 18: It's the simple things.

591
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 9: It's the sum.

592
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 11: I like you.

593
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about that tour we did with

594
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 1: the Dogs in two thousand and nine. So growing up

595
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: in this sort of world of jazz musicians, I always

596
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: sort of try to be one of the guys, you know.

597
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,439
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you had that experience or

598
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: if it was totally opposite for you, but when you

599
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: came on that tour with me, it was like the

600
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: world of girly stuff kind of like I was like, oh,

601
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: Sasha's really dulled up. I'm gonna put more makeup on tonight. No,

602
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: it was I mean in a positive, an extremely fun

603
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: positive way. It was like I was scared.

604
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 12: To play up. I grew up with that. That's actually

605
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 12: that rings that hits me in the heart because I

606
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 12: do remember years before that, ten years before that, yeah,

607
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 12: with in college and being in love with Toma, my

608
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 12: first boyfriend who we both know and who's a dear

609
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 12: friend still, and and having I mean, I always, ever

610
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 12: since I was a little tiny kid, love love makeup

611
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 12: and clothes me.

612
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 1: Too, makeup, not close to much, but makeup. I always

613
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: loved makeup. So it was so weird that I pushed

614
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 1: it down.

615
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 12: But yeah, I think because when you're going up around

616
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 12: jazz musicians, it's like, oh, that's not hip man to

617
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 12: be all into that crap.

618
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: Or there's just not as many women.

619
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 12: You know, that's for sure, you're one.

620
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 9: Of the guys.

621
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,439
Speaker 12: Because everybody's one of them. There's always just a bunch

622
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 12: of dudes up until recently. That's why it's so liberating,

623
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 12: and you want to.

624
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: Get taken seriously, especially as a singer, you know. Yeah,

625
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: But it was like I.

626
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 12: Definitely I don't know exactly why, but I definitely remember

627
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 12: feeling shy about letting that part of my personality out

628
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,720
Speaker 12: on the bandstand and in front of other cats.

629
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: Guys, do you know when that switched?

630
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 12: Probably last year, I definitely, I mean on tour with you,

631
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 12: and maybe honestly I never really thought about it until

632
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 12: this second, but I do think having a guitar, oh yeah,

633
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 12: really helped, because there's something about just singing jazz where

634
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 12: you just don't think about I mean, like, you don't

635
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 12: think I want to look conservative, but it is a

636
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 12: conservative environment kind.

637
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: Of well, and also you're just standing there out front,

638
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: so you don't want to be too inviting of the

639
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 1: wrong kind of attention.

640
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 12: It's true, even though jazz singers back in the day

641
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 12: were the most.

642
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 6: Lavish they did.

643
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 4: You know.

644
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: Well, that's what's so weird about our generation of I

645
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: don't know, I feel like it's not just us. It's

646
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: probably a thing for a lot of women who grew

647
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: up in that in that era or in our era.

648
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 12: Yeah, where it was like, for some reason, well, I

649
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 12: guess because we're pushing out of that girl mentality where

650
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 12: the woman's only only only women sing, you know, even

651
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 12: though that's kind of the Even though my parents were

652
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 12: super supportive and very liberal and not like that, I

653
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 12: did grow up in that environment where the women sang

654
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 12: and the men played instruments. Yeah exactly, And my dad

655
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 12: wanted nothing more than to have me play an instrument.

656
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 12: But I was like, man, you know, scow that I'm

657
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 12: just gonna sing. But I mean yeah, but he was right.

658
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 12: I mean this was this was it like to sing

659
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 12: and play and to be a part of all of

660
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 12: it is like where it's at, you know.

661
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, they made it feels so good, so good. It

662
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: was too nerdy and shy and also impatient as a.

663
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 12: Kid, you know, you have to be willing to like suck.

664
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: There's one particular. There's some show we did in Belgium

665
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: that was filmed okay, that is on YouTube. And I've

666
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: been going through a bunch of archives trying to find

667
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: fun stuff to post on Instagram. And there's this show

668
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: it's like Midway and our promo tour we did for

669
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: that album of mine, Okay, And I'm wearing like a

670
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: Teal Madonna prom dress that's short and sleeveley.

671
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 12: I love that.

672
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: I know, I love that dress doesn't fit me anymore,

673
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: but I mean I couldn't imagine, and I love the

674
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: way I look like It's great. It's so fun. But

675
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: it's just like I couldn't have imagined ever dressing up

676
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: and having that much fun with clothes and makeup and

677
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: hair if we weren't, you know, sharing a dressing room

678
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 1: on that tour.

679
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 12: God, that was a dream.

680
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: It was so full.

681
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 12: And the wardrobe case we had the word and the

682
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 12: thing was like I couldn't shut it.

683
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: Because it was too full. There we had like hair,

684
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: I had hair extensions and it was so funny.

685
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 12: It was so funny and so much fun. I mean,

686
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 12: I I would definitely, I'm like, I would definitely do

687
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 12: things different and try and shave it down.

688
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: I would do things different in every situation. But it

689
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: doesn't matter.

690
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 14: We had so much.

691
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's great.

692
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 1: It was amazing. What do you have anything new? You're

693
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: working on a couple of new things you would feel

694
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 1: comfortable sharing? Sure, as songs, you don't mind an unfinished No,

695
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: I love clear and Loose.

696
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 12: You've seen my live shows.

697
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 1: I don't care well, but I think that's that's what's

698
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,720
Speaker 1: so fun about music is it's it's just a moment

699
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: of that thing. It doesn't mean it's the final, definitive thing.

700
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: It's just it's alive. Don't you think songs are kind

701
00:42:58,520 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: of alive?

702
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 12: Definitely. Yeah, it's almost like until you put them down

703
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 12: on a record that you can kind of do whatever

704
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 12: you want.

705
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: Or yeah, it's like you're searching for the definitive version

706
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: until you record it. Yeah, and then you can kind

707
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: of move along and do it.

708
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 12: You can still change it, but yeah, it does. Once

709
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 12: it's on a record, it's a little bit more like, oh,

710
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 12: let's go back to that and reference it, because why

711
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 12: did I do that one time?

712
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly.

713
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 12: It's weird. It is interesting, though, I long for definition

714
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 12: and like when you I mean, it's so I need

715
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 12: to practice what I tell other people who maybe I

716
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 12: have a chance to work with younger artists, you know,

717
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 12: because it's like making decisions and defining things. It's like

718
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 12: the best feeling in the world, but it's so hard.

719
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: It is sometimes yeah, yeah, you.

720
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 12: Know, at least sometimes for me.

721
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and that's why I think playing music with

722
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: someone you either have that chemistry moment, whether it's perfect

723
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 1: or not, or you don't. You could get it totally

724
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: right and could not sound that good right or wouldn't

725
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: feel good you know.

726
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, decision making, you know, there's nothing like finishing

727
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 12: something and you know, it, You're like.

728
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: It happened, Yeah, exactly.

729
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 12: Falling in love you think it's never gonna happen, it's

730
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 12: never gonna happen.

731
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: And then one day it happens.

732
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 12: So I've heard. I'm kidding. I'm waiting wait for that

733
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 12: day to come. We're talking about songs, of course.

734
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: It's just so fun thinking about the journey, you know,

735
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: like watching it over the last fifteen twenty years, I know,

736
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: watching you go from singing jazz standards to playing all

737
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,240
Speaker 1: these instruments and writing songs, and it's just fun.

738
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 12: Oh thanks, Yeah, And now.

739
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: We get to watch Kat do it, you know, writing

740
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: so much since we started playing with her and singing more.

741
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 12: I know, I'm really excited to hear what she's like making.

742
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:06,919
Speaker 6: It's pretty cool.

743
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 19: What do you got, well, I have no idea.

744
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:47,720
Speaker 20: Wig up, slow down, lead down, look out.

745
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 21: And away for side, make a move.

746
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 11: Way four, sid.

747
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 20: Stole me, Monday, bill.

748
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 6: Me, Sunday.

749
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 14: Emma.

750
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 16: It doesn't say the way ses, it doesn't say.

751
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 11: On.

752
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 12: It's pretty much all I got.

753
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 14: Let's go.

754
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 11: Yeah, m m mm hmmm mm hmmm.

755
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 6: Rain drops.

756
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 1: I love it. You know what, It's so cool because

757
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: always come with cool rifts. All. Thanks. I love it.

758
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: I'm sure I was thinking of you when I wrote it.

759
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: Now always, you know, I love it. That's great.

760
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 12: Thanks.

761
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 1: I have been you know, I've got a bunch of

762
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: snippets and.

763
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 12: These months have been a little out of focus.

764
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, tell me about it. It's so hard about the

765
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: drive of the work kind of keeping you like having

766
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: something to do work for Yeah, I'm having a reason

767
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: to finish something or a reason absolutely. Yeah, I know

768
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: what you mean.

769
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 12: Last year we were all raging. I mean, for me,

770
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 12: I was busier than I've been in many, many years,

771
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 12: and you were on the verge of a full year

772
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 12: of touring and and and I felt like those first

773
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 12: couple of months of lockdown, I was like, I'm gonna

774
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 12: keep going.

775
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was.

776
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 12: Still on this like adrenaline.

777
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 1: It took a time for everybody to sink in.

778
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 12: Yeah. And then and then the summer it really hit me.

779
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 12: And in the winter that's when I think I wouldn't

780
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 12: say I went into a depression, but definitely where it

781
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 12: was like harder to finish things, and you.

782
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, but that stuff just goes in cyclic it

783
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 1: does it does. Do you ever get worried anymore? That

784
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: you're going to never have another idea or you're past

785
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:16,879
Speaker 1: that point.

786
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 12: I feel like I'm definitely because it always comes around.

787
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's love. Or you don't worry about it.

788
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 12: There, Yeah, I don't worry, but I definitely am like,

789
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 12: Oh how old am I? I noticed the clock taking

790
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 12: a little more where I'm like, I want to accomplish more.

791
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 12: Or back in the day I didn't care or think

792
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 12: about time.

793
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what the thought is more than more than Yeah,

794
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: worried about inspiration coming back? Yeah, and because I know

795
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 1: that's always going to happen.

796
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think that it'll be easier to finish songs

797
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 12: when there's something going on in life.

798
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: To write about, exactly nothing to write about? Yeah, can

799
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: I write about it? What am I watching right now?

800
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 7: Oh?

801
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 12: My god? How many times can I rewatch Glow?

802
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: Can I write another song about it?

803
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 12: Can I?

804
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 14: Oh?

805
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: Man, I should watch that one?

806
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 12: And Shit's Creek?

807
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so good the Wigs? I love that? Thanks man,

808
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: I'll finish it maybe the night, finish it, finish it,

809
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: finish it. Yeah.

810
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 12: In fact, You've always been such a great resource of

811
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:30,919
Speaker 12: inspiration for many reasons. But it's like, what song were

812
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 12: we doing? Uh, Sex Degrees of Separation where you were like, Sasha,

813
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 12: are you going to finish this? And I remember I

814
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 12: was like okay, and I just forced myself in a

815
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 12: way that I hadn't before and then I finished it.

816
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 12: So sometimes you need that push.

817
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that I feel like that's the work part

818
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 1: of songwriting, the inspiration part when it comes through you

819
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 1: and you you know, it's like feels divine. Yes, that's

820
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: the that's the fun part. And then finishing it is

821
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 1: the work.

822
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 12: Is the work part, the work. Yeah, you have to

823
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 12: make time and yeah, sit down.

824
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: Yeah. Can I play a song of yours for you?

825
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: Is that weird?

826
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 12: Are you kidding?

827
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 1: I thought it would be fun, and then I thought

828
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: I should tell her what I'm gonna do so she

829
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: can chime in. But it's your song, so you know it,

830
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking chime in.

831
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 12: Probably I don't know it.

832
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: Okay, sit down at the drums because you might want

833
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: to chime in. Okay, this is a This is one

834
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 1: of my favorite songs, yours. Okay, here's your song written

835
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: by you. I love this song. This. This was on

836
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,479
Speaker 1: our first Pus Some Boots album, but it was also

837
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 1: on one of your albums. Oh, so you know each one.

838
00:51:47,480 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: It is okay. You forget me, I know you will.

839
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 14: We had.

840
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 6: Our face.

841
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 22: For now, but let's beyond it and.

842
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 6: Tie sometimes.

843
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: To our mind for now, will ride.

844
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 11: And fall.

845
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 9: Again, your card.

846
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 16: Will face.

847
00:52:58,239 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 17: Always.

848
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 22: Don't be sorry, just smile.

849
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 17: Somehow.

850
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 22: Oh we did our best.

851
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 6: Phone.

852
00:53:21,680 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 23: Now I'll be roll and free brow you.

853
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 6: And you be fake.

854
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 11: From me.

855
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 6: You be smarter.

856
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 9: And take.

857
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 11: Her hay.

858
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 7: And by.

859
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 6: He may.

860
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 11: Fall.

861
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 17: Now you say it better.

862
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 1: It was so funny. I was trying. I was like,

863
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 1: oh wait, I'm gonna go up like no slash always,

864
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna And I was like, I can't, No,

865
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: I said, I was just I was flashy.

866
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 12: You are such a sweeter.

867
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: No, it was, it's not your fault. I I love

868
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: this song because it's such a torch song. It's such

869
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: an old jazz song. But it's also just such a

870
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,919
Speaker 1: country song. It's really just a country song. Yeah, both,

871
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: but it's both. And that's how I feel about you.

872
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: And I'm like, wait, where did she get the country side?

873
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: Because you're oh you you you got it from us

874
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:21,720
Speaker 1: doing those.

875
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 12: We were playing a lot, and I remember I crashed

876
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 12: at your house. I was I don't know if I

877
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 12: might have been babysitting Ralph, but I was also going through.

878
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, no, no, I'm just not my baby.

879
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 12: My dog. Ralph is the baby, our first love. The

880
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 12: first baby is Ralph, second baby is George, my dad.

881
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 12: But anyway, and I remember I was going through the

882
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:52,359
Speaker 12: beginning stages of a breakup and I wrote that on.

883
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 1: Your floor, really yes, in Manhattan.

884
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 12: In Manhattan, in the in the music room. Amazing, And

885
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 12: I remember I remember thinking, I can't believe it because it

886
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 12: was one of those songs that came really fast.

887
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: Which is always my favorite, and that doesn't surprise ever

888
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:14,240
Speaker 1: happens because it's a simple but heavy song.

889
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 12: And it was back when I was only singing jazz

890
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 12: except for with you guys. You know, I was totally

891
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 12: still transitioning and where it was a novelty that I

892
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 12: was playing guitar, it wasn't normal yet. And and you

893
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 12: were a huge influence on me all opening up.

894
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: All I learned on guitar was the country corner. Like

895
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: I still don't know how to play like many dominant

896
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,879
Speaker 1: sevenths or major seven chords on guitar, so our band

897
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: is kind of limited. If I'm playing guitar to sort

898
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 1: of country. It's a big country ish well you know, but.

899
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 12: Yeah, but then it was like, it's it's an really

900
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 12: nerd out is. It's an aaba form, which is why

901
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 12: people think it's sort of standard.

902
00:56:58,040 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 1: Sort of like a jazz snartist. That's what I like

903
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: all about it. It sort of goes both ways. I

904
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 1: meant to do it more country, but then I got

905
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: nervous and I didn't. I don't know what I did,

906
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: but we'll hear it later. Oh I'm so touch, Oh

907
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 1: I love you. That song was always one of my

908
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: favorite drum groups that you did with us, and I

909
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 1: feel like the last few songs I wrote for Puss

910
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: and Boots, I've wanted that torch because I love that

911
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: the way you play drums. Did you did you listen

912
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: to lyrics a lot when you were young singing jazz?

913
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: Because I didn't. I mean I did, but I didn't

914
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: the way I do now.

915
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 12: Yeah, definitely. No, they didn't register in the same way

916
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 12: I mean, I think because we're younger.

917
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and a lot of those songs we hadn't

918
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:41,919
Speaker 1: had those experiences yet.

919
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:44,919
Speaker 12: I literally had to be told, Sasha, you're too young

920
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 12: to sing that song lush Life for me, lush Life,

921
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 12: and yeah, I don't even know all of them. Got

922
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 12: oh well, sophistic yeah, exactly, smoking, drinking, I am you're.

923
00:57:56,000 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: Like fifteen, Yeah, like nine. That's amazing. Oh my gosh,

924
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 1: I love that.

925
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 12: Well, there's a video of that.

926
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: It's interesting because, like when I started writing songs, music

927
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: wasn't the hard part. It was lyrics, and it was

928
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: finding a thread or a style or a story within

929
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: each song. And then I finally realized each song can

930
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: be totally different. But absolutely, yeah, I didn't. I mean

931
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 1: I that was a hard part. I grew up singing

932
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 1: these classic songs but not really hearing the lyrics in

933
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 1: the same way.

934
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 12: I hear you.

935
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

936
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 12: I guess that's one of the one of the many

937
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 12: good things about getting older.

938
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: Things resonate totally differently. Yeah, it's so funny. Do you

939
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: remember when we did we did Music Cares for Neil Young,

940
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: and I was like, Sasha, come to California with me,

941
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:49,959
Speaker 1: we'll do this thing. And then we got something else

942
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: and I forgot to tell you what it was. Is

943
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: that right? And I remember we got out there, I

944
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, learn a tell me why by Neil Young?

945
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: And you're like, uh, okay, I didn't really give you

946
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: any details, typical, just like I was like, sure, no problem,

947
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: I forgot to tell you. It was like this huge

948
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: event where we were playing Neil Young songs in front

949
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: of Neil dressing up. Probably good you didn't tell me.

950
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: I just remember like dropping the ball and actually informing

951
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: you about what we were doing. And you were such

952
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 1: a good sport, and I was like, I'm gonna play

953
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: guitar just like I was. It was as if I

954
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: was channeling you from the Fat Cat days, like I'm

955
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: just gonna play guitar. Uh. All these industry people know

956
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: me as a piano player, but I'm just gonna play guitar.

957
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 12: As your secret around. But you were I had ignorance,

958
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 12: is Bliss. I had no idea what I was getting into.

959
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 12: So it was fine.

960
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: It was so fun, and Don was the mdm' a

961
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 1: pause band. But I didn't want to play the husband

962
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,439
Speaker 1: because I just wanted it to be our little thing,

963
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,959
Speaker 1: our special little thing, which it's very special. It was cool,

964
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: but then remember I was like, but no, I'm not

965
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: We're not going direct. We're not plugging these guitars direct,

966
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: and we're pluwing just like Willie Nelson. We're plugging our

967
00:59:59,560 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: we were.

968
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 11: I was cool.

969
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: Well, it was so funny because I felt like the

970
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: band and the crew and everyone that was helping us

971
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 1: set up, they were super kind, but they were just

972
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 1: like all right.

973
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 12: They were letting us do whatever they were.

974
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 1: They were super cool about it. But I just remember,

975
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 1: remember I was really stubborn about it, because everybody wants

976
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 1: to plug indirect and to make sure they get a

977
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 1: good thing. It was so groovy because it was different.

978
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: It was so funny, and I just felt like we

979
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 1: were little high schoolers all in that big room, you know,

980
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: with all those industry people at all those artists. But

981
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: I felt totally good because I was with you.

982
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 12: Like I mean likewise again, I had no idea what

983
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 12: I was getting into, so it was totally fun amazing.

984
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 12: And also you know that you all were and always

985
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 12: are my like point of focus. So it was just

986
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 12: like I just put my energy into you.

987
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 1: It was hard not to focus on Nielson and I

988
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: didn't know you didn't see him very good. Yeah, so

989
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: we're gonna go full circle.

990
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 12: Now, Yeah, exactly.

991
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 1: So we're gonna so you have a new album which

992
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: is actually a jazz album, yes, ma'am, is this so

993
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: you did an album a long long time that was

994
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 1: a jazz album, right, The Dark Darkling Thresh.

995
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, that was like your first It was like

996
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 12: the Cords one and yeah, my first sort of jazz thing.

997
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:30,439
Speaker 12: It wasn't necessarily a Sasha, I mean, it's under my name,

998
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 12: but it was it was more of a Chris Buyer's

999
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 12: oh cock tat. I mean it was his arrangements and

1000
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 12: his kind of vision and me being twenty three and

1001
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 12: of course like, yes, sing on this album.

1002
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 1: But that was your first recording that was out of there. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1003
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 1: and that was jazz and it was just standards or

1004
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 1: any original.

1005
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 12: And it's all no, yeah, not yet.

1006
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 1: And so then since then you've done all this original

1007
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: music and all these albums have been a lot of

1008
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 1: songs that you wrote. Yeah, and then now we're going back.

1009
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:09,919
Speaker 12: Yeah, you know, I just felt like, I mean, as

1010
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:14,440
Speaker 12: far as Sasha adopts all the opportunities that I've been

1011
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 12: fortunate to have as a recording artist so far, I've

1012
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 12: been more so as a songwriter. And I just started

1013
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 12: to feel like I never actually made a record myself that.

1014
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 1: Was jazz, which is such a huge part of what

1015
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 1: such how you are and where you come from.

1016
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 12: Starting to feel a little sad about that.

1017
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 14: I know.

1018
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 1: And it's like, I feel like a lot of people

1019
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: are in our community musicians, they sort of stray from

1020
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 1: the jazz world and they get into other music and

1021
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 1: it's really fun. It's like things blossom a little totally

1022
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 1: for us. And then but then it's like, yeah, that

1023
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 1: music made.

1024
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 12: Me for sure.

1025
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I feel like coming back to it is

1026
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 1: really heavy.

1027
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean it's still it was like such a

1028
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 12: meaningful thing and not something. It's one of the only

1029
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 12: recordings I've done personally under my own name where I

1030
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 12: wasn't shy.

1031
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you're confident, You're you're totally You're like, oh,

1032
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 1: I know this finally.

1033
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 12: Well it's the only thing that I do that I'm

1034
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 12: not like, oh, I kind of know how to do,

1035
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 12: you know? Yeah, because yeah, because I paid my dues.

1036
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 1: I used to go always to Smalls to see Sam

1037
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 1: yell oh, and I would see you there sometimes. My

1038
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: first summer in New York, I was such a door

1039
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 1: well me too, and I would hide in the back

1040
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 1: and I was terrified of everyone for sure, and I

1041
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 1: would never go to the jam sessions. I would never

1042
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 1: sit in or anything like that. I was just a fan,

1043
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 1: you know, and a musician. But like I would see

1044
01:03:56,640 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 1: you there and you always but you had already lived

1045
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 1: in New York for three years and gone to the

1046
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 1: New school.

1047
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 12: I went to the new School.

1048
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you already knew everything, kind of knew people.

1049
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: I always felt like, there's really cool, I know somebody

1050
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 1: because she knows everybody, so I felt like, oh my god.

1051
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 1: But also like just to see a girl there that

1052
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 1: I knew, I was just like, okay, I can relax

1053
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 1: a little, you know. And everybody there was never not

1054
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: nice to me. Everybody was always so nice. But I

1055
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 1: don't know why there's this thing of being like but

1056
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 1: the truth is, I bet some of those guys were

1057
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 1: the same way. They just don't show it in this

1058
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 1: all nerds.

1059
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 12: It's so weird. It's it's also being young, accombination where

1060
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 12: you're just like, it's so nice to see most of

1061
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 12: those people thankfully still and and like everybody's just as

1062
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 12: warm as ever. We you know, we played there together,

1063
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 12: you and on your birthday, my birthday years two years ago.

1064
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was it was so it was magical. It

1065
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 1: was magic well because we were playing it Small. I

1066
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 1: had actually, I think I sat in with sam Ye

1067
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 1: Hall a couple of times because we became friends. He

1068
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 1: was my piano teacher back then. But I had never

1069
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 1: done a gig at Small, so I was like, oh

1070
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 1: my god.

1071
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 12: I'm happening, and we took over the joint.

1072
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 1: I am forty years old and I got my first

1073
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 1: gig at Small and I'm stoked, you know, but we

1074
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 1: should do the title track because it was the first

1075
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 1: time we sang this song girl Talk Yes, which is

1076
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 1: it is so funny to sing that song with you.

1077
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 12: It's totally us. I know, it's completely It was genius.

1078
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 12: Neil Miner he wrote a bunch of arrangements for that

1079
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 12: project and he brought me this song in said sash

1080
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 12: because I was like, oh, because I was hot to

1081
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 12: do Booch made for Walking and asked if he would

1082
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 12: learn that bass part. He was like, that's a big

1083
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 12: stretch for Neil because he's straight down the middle when

1084
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 12: it comes to jazz.

1085
01:05:56,320 --> 01:06:00,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's very stressed. Yeah, straight ahead a little more.

1086
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 6: And he was like, oh okay, and.

1087
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 12: You know, kind of excited about so then that opened

1088
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 12: his brain up and he was like, have you heard

1089
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 12: this song? Girl Talk? And I was like, well, I

1090
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 12: remember the instrumental version, but he turned me onto the

1091
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 12: lyrics and then you know, perfect when you sing it

1092
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 12: with me. I was like, you know, we got.

1093
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 1: To do this. Yeah, we should be in like our

1094
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 1: pajamas talking on the phone exactly we are. Let's do it.

1095
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 1: Are you gonna sing and not play guitar? Oh my gosh,

1096
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 1: what are you going to do with your hands?

1097
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 12: I'll show you absolutely nothing. Oh my god.

1098
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 21: Well maybe I'll do a little bit of that.

1099
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 1: That's why I could never do it. It took me

1100
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 1: an instrument because I didn't know what to do with

1101
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 1: my head.

1102
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 12: Oh man, I mean it's very hard, but it looks

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Speaker 12: the best when you do nothing, which is the hard

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Speaker 12: what I learned. It took me, like, it's very hard

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Speaker 12: to do nothing with your hands. I know, it's it

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Speaker 12: looks weird. We're talking about singing here, people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're talking about singing. It's really an important thing

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Speaker 1: to learn when you're singing. Yeah, I know it is.

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Speaker 1: It is all right, I'm gonna try.

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Speaker 12: We'll see if I actually.

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Speaker 21: Being with my hands.

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Speaker 24: We like to chat about the dresses we will wear

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Speaker 24: too night. Wech you the fat about the chassis and

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Speaker 24: a neighbor's fine.

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Speaker 6: In consequential things that.

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Speaker 21: Men don't really care to know become essential things and

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Speaker 21: were fa so abroo.

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Speaker 6: But that's a day. They're all the same. It's just

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Speaker 6: a game. We're all the.

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Speaker 11: Girl time.

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Speaker 14: Girl talk.

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Speaker 21: We all me ow about the up sydowns of all

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Speaker 21: our friends.

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Speaker 8: The hell, the wild, we dish, the dirt and never.

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Speaker 21: The weaker sex the speaker sex, wee on amazyld but.

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Speaker 14: The joke he wouldn't trade here for.

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Speaker 6: A time of gold.

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Speaker 1: It's aben planning.

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Speaker 6: So take my hand, please understand.

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Speaker 9: The sweem is God talk.

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Speaker 8: Talks to.

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Speaker 14: Baba.

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Speaker 8: No no no, no, no no no, I don't know,

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Speaker 8: bah bah bah bah baba.

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Speaker 21: We all me out about the synd downs of all

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Speaker 21: our friends. Oh how the wild we dish the never ends.

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Speaker 21: The weaker says, the speaker says, you load on mals.

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Speaker 6: E hold where through we joke we want and change.

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Speaker 12: It for turn gold.

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Speaker 22: It's soon plans, So take my hand, please understand.

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Speaker 6: The sweetest God talk talk to sweet is good talk.

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Speaker 6: This sweet it is good talk.

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Speaker 1: You oh man, that's so fun, so fun.

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Speaker 12: Oh, talking about chats. If you love it, it's fun,

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01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 12: it is fun, it gives you good energy.

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Speaker 1: Well, thanks so much for doing this. Sure, it's weird.

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Speaker 1: I feel like we've been besties for forever, and I

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Speaker 1: feel like I learned a lot.

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Speaker 11: Oh.

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Speaker 6: Oh, I'm glad.

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01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 1: There's still much. There's still much.

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01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 12: So much for having me, sweetheart.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for doing this.

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Speaker 12: Now we can hang out.

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Speaker 1: I love you, Matt, I love you so much. I'm

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Speaker 1: so glad that we're here together. Yeah, see you in

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Speaker 1: five minutes, see.

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Speaker 12: You in five minutes.

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Speaker 22: I'm just waiting.

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Speaker 8: We say.

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Speaker 1: That was Sasha Dopson. Oh that was great. Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: was so fun. She's just she's so fun. We have also,

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Speaker 1: we just it's like we're little kids at us lumber

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Speaker 1: party when we're together. Yeah, and that song girl Talk

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Speaker 1: is perfect for that exactly. Please go check out Sasha

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Speaker 1: live in New York City anytime and check out her

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Speaker 1: album Girl Talk, her album Simple Things. She's got a

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Speaker 1: few more albums. She's great.

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Speaker 4: Thanks Sasha, we love you, We love you, Bye, sister.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for listening. Don't forget to subscribe to Nora Jones

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Speaker 1: So you never miss a new episode. This episode was

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Speaker 1: recorded a mixed by Jamie Landry, additional engineering by Greg Tobler,

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Speaker 1: edited by Sarah Oda, artwork by Eliza Fry, Photography by

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Speaker 1: Shervin Linez. Produced by I and Sarah Ota,