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Speaker 1: to another edition of the Friday Egg Podcast. Today, I
Speaker 1: have a Master special. Jeff Ogilvy came by our house
Speaker 1: here in Augusta and we broke down the front nine
Speaker 1: of Augusta and just kind of his thoughts playing it
Speaker 1: the architecture. And we will have the front nine today
Speaker 1: and then tomorrow Friday of Masters week, we will put
Speaker 1: up the back nine. So enjoy, and without further ado,
Speaker 1: here's Jeff Ogilvy. I miss a green, for example, I'm
Speaker 1: already upset. When I find my ball in the bunker,
Speaker 1: I'm really upset.
Speaker 2: And when I find my ball in.
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Speaker 1: the golf. So you're you're in contention on the weekend.
Speaker 1: What are you thinking about before your Saturday Sunday rounds like,
Speaker 1: is there stuff that worries you early on?
Speaker 2: Well, the first green might be the hardest green on
Speaker 2: the course maybe, and certainly the first the hardest first
Speaker 2: green in world tournament golf. I would say man Oakmont
Speaker 2: is a well renowned, ridiculous first hole and a really
Speaker 2: tough green to hit. But it feels like you're in
Speaker 2: the lap of the gods a little bit at Oakmond
Speaker 2: because you can land at the front right of the
Speaker 2: green and maybe it stays on, maybe it runs over
Speaker 2: the back. It's kind of you make bogey on the
Speaker 2: first at Oakmond. You don't have to have done anything wrong.
Speaker 2: It's just part of Oakmond. You just hit you in
Speaker 2: the face on the first hole and then you move on.
Speaker 2: But the Masters, if you play the hole really sensibly,
Speaker 2: you can get a nice birdy put on the first,
Speaker 2: but if you hit it anywhere other than directly under
Speaker 2: the hole, you have the hardest part in the world.
Speaker 2: And sometimes if you miss it past the hole, it's
Speaker 2: even a hard bogie. It's a brutal, easy first tee
Speaker 2: shot relatively, I mean, Tiger historically has struggled with it.
Speaker 2: But it's a gentle first tee shot and a simple
Speaker 2: looking iron shot until you realize what's up at the green,
Speaker 2: and the green is so savage, really hard to hit
Speaker 2: the ball under the hole too. The way the front
Speaker 2: half of the green is because if you land it,
Speaker 2: if you hit it short of a lot of pins,
Speaker 2: it rolls off the front, so it encourages you get
Speaker 2: it to pin. It was always trying to get you
Speaker 2: to hit it to pin high, and if you hit
Speaker 2: it to pin high just a bit past it, you
Speaker 2: get a lot of stress. So it's one of the
Speaker 2: most un talked about. I guess it's more talked about
Speaker 2: now because it's on the coverage more and people talk
Speaker 2: about the first green more. But it might be the
Speaker 2: hardest green on the course, especially because it's the first
Speaker 2: hole and Ernie El's kind of showed that a few
Speaker 2: years ago.
Speaker 1: Uh the false front you touched on it. I guess
Speaker 1: there's got a lot of vicious ones. Do you think
Speaker 1: false fronts are like one of the best ways to
Speaker 1: defend against the tour pro I think.
Speaker 2: It's a great way to really encourage, not quite force,
Speaker 2: but really motivate a player to want to get it
Speaker 2: to pin high, especially in a situation where past pin
Speaker 2: high is going to ruin your day, Like you can't
Speaker 2: just just kind of go one club less and chunk
Speaker 2: it up to the front of the green on the
Speaker 2: first You can't because it's the chip could come back,
Speaker 2: you know, the false front thing. So I think you're right.
Speaker 2: I think it's a really good way to do it.
Speaker 2: And if you look at standards, I mean, every green's
Speaker 2: got one really goes in the valley of sin. That's
Speaker 2: really what that is, right, It's a It's a good
Speaker 2: way to do it because it really really it rewards
Speaker 2: the player for being aggressive and hitting a quality shot.
Speaker 1: Neathing too with it is for the lower trajectory player,
Speaker 1: you like your regular guy. It's a way for it
Speaker 1: to slow down the ball into it.
Speaker 2: I think it's like the perfect for me. I go,
Speaker 2: of course, the perfect mindset is how do I make
Speaker 2: it easier for the eighth the ninety shooter, the alien handicapper,
Speaker 2: and how do I make it harder for the scratch
Speaker 2: player and the false front or at least the style
Speaker 2: I do it here at the Masters, That's exactly what
Speaker 2: it does. Because the guy can't spin. Is he's coming
Speaker 2: in with his hybrid or his four iron or five iron,
Speaker 2: he's running it up. It's actually a really nice screen
Speaker 2: to run it up onto. But the guy who's flowing
Speaker 2: it up there with spin with an eight iron, he
Speaker 2: really has three or four yards to landity then that's it.
Speaker 2: So it's a super precise shot for the elite player
Speaker 2: and really quite a gentle, easy shot for the average player,
Speaker 2: which is ideal. It's bringing those two guys closer together
Speaker 2: as opposed to some modern stuff where it's all carry
Speaker 2: and big long stuff. It just separates that scratch and
Speaker 2: eighteen handicappers so much that it kind of it's a
Speaker 2: it's just super intimidating for the average guy.
Speaker 1: Is that second shot on too, like the most fun
Speaker 1: shot on the course? No, it was to Sunday pen.
Speaker 2: Yes, and no. The Sunday pin might be the funnest
Speaker 2: pin on the course or one of I mean there's
Speaker 2: a lot of fun pins on the course. I mean,
Speaker 2: sixteen on Sundays pretty fun. And that pin on seven
Speaker 2: when they put it in that whole outspot and the
Speaker 2: bowl on the right hand side, that's a fun pin.
Speaker 2: But the one on two is hard. I kind of
Speaker 2: always laid it up onto a little bit. My mentality
Speaker 2: was if I could get it just in that front
Speaker 2: right bunker or around that front right bunker, and two,
Speaker 2: I was happy. You know, I missed the green left
Speaker 2: a couple of times. I missed it in that left bunk,
Speaker 2: or a couple of times on the green or short
Speaker 2: left of that left bunker, trying to get really aggressive
Speaker 2: a few times and worked out that that's not really
Speaker 2: what you want to be and had some kind of
Speaker 2: train rex on that hole. So I would always try
Speaker 2: to hit it next to the bunker off the tee,
Speaker 2: next to the bunker on the second shot, and you
Speaker 2: can get it anywhere on the green close to the
Speaker 2: hole if you're next to that front right bunk on two.
Speaker 2: It is a super fun it's a fun shot to watch.
Speaker 2: It might be one of the fun of shots to
Speaker 2: watch on those guys at those long arms on the
Speaker 2: top of the hill and they land on the front
Speaker 2: of the green and they roll for about thirty seconds
Speaker 2: all way up the back and they roll right next
Speaker 2: to the hole. As a spectator. That would be a
Speaker 2: great place to stand on Sunday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of holes right around there too.
Speaker 1: You could watch two, you could watch three, t you
Speaker 1: can watch I mean it's cost to eighteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, eighteen seventeen, you're really not far from sixteen if
Speaker 2: that is the sweet spot of the course really, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you've got seven green, two green, really kind of seventeen green,
Speaker 2: seventeen fair. You can kind of whip across the fifteen.
Speaker 2: That's kind of the heart of the course.
Speaker 1: I would say, there's that hill that everything plays into,
Speaker 1: and it's similarly, you know, Mackenzie does that a lot
Speaker 1: of his places that focal point, and that's like it
Speaker 1: kind of is the folk that's like it's such a
Speaker 1: routing how they play down to it and then he
Speaker 1: takes you away from it and he keeps bringing you
Speaker 1: back at different points in the round.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's a great route. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: I think serendipitous. Really. I think they were fortunate how
Speaker 2: it worked. He was obviously a genius router, and Jones
Speaker 2: might have been the best golf mind ever, like when
Speaker 2: it related to golf course and playing the course. I mean,
Speaker 2: he was truly genius, but there was serendipity involved in
Speaker 2: how it all worked out. I mean it just it
Speaker 2: is such a good golf course to watch golf, and
Speaker 2: you can pretty much from that point, from the second green,
Speaker 2: seventh green, kind of eighth tea area, you can pretty
Speaker 2: much get to every hole with a five minute walk almost.
Speaker 2: You know, you're kind of really central and people keep
Speaker 2: You watch them come through two, and then you see
Speaker 2: that same group come through seven, and then later on
Speaker 2: they come back through seventeen. It's like, yeah, it's all
Speaker 2: it's brilliant like that, because if it just went out,
Speaker 2: like the old course is the old course and it's brilliant,
Speaker 2: but it's a been awful course to watch golf, great
Speaker 2: course to play golf, but to watch it's awful. But
Speaker 2: this kind of matches all the creates, all the great
Speaker 2: golf and it makes it great to watch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's incredible, almost like the Stadium course before the
Speaker 1: Stadium course.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean everything about it is just I mean
Speaker 2: your head to say say perfect, I mean there is
Speaker 2: no perfect, but relative to everything else. If you want
Speaker 2: to find for a great place to watch golf and
Speaker 2: a place that's going to create great attractive golf to watch, right,
Speaker 2: it's all right here. It's incredible.
Speaker 1: It's an expansive property but intimate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems I don't think it's quite as big
Speaker 2: as you think, but it seems so big because of
Speaker 2: there's no real lines of trees. They're like cops of trees, right,
Speaker 2: there's cops is the word, right, like groupings of trees.
Speaker 2: But you stand at the clubhouse, you can pretty much
Speaker 2: see across the whole course, which makes it seem like
Speaker 2: this big kind of park. You know, it's like it
Speaker 2: seems massive, big scale, fairways, big bunkers, but as you say,
Speaker 2: intimate because everything kind of comes back, it's kind of
Speaker 2: near each other. But because it's so big scale, it
Speaker 2: seems big. But you realize that everything's kind of close
Speaker 2: and that helps with the rules and the feel, and
Speaker 2: you see you're constantly seeing other groups go up other
Speaker 2: holes and stuff from feeling that you just you're you're
Speaker 2: always kind of feel like you're part of the whole show.
Speaker 2: You're never separated on one spot way away from anywhere else.
Speaker 2: It's just brilliant.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be one of the cool things compared to
Speaker 1: like your modern TPC choruses, the how close you are
Speaker 1: to all the competitors when you're playing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's yeah, I mean you're teeing off on the
Speaker 2: first and you're watching the guys hit into the ninth
Speaker 2: and kind of sussing out the pin and where they're
Speaker 2: hitting it. And then and that happens kind of all
Speaker 2: the way around. You're playing down two and you're watching
Speaker 2: him pitch into three, and then on seven, you're watching
Speaker 2: you're walking down six, say, and you're watching the shots
Speaker 2: into sixteen, and you can You're constantly kind of being
Speaker 2: reminded of what's coming and what's gone and who's doing what.
Speaker 2: It's nice to feel a part of it. You know,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of courses where you're just way out
Speaker 2: there now right, Modern routings seem to just go wherever
Speaker 2: they want and don't take that sort of thing into account.
Speaker 2: But it's great to be out there with all the
Speaker 2: competitors and playing partners and feel like you're part of
Speaker 2: the whole show. That's the whole thing. It's just a
Speaker 2: whole The whole thing is just one big show, right,
Speaker 2: and it's brilliant.
Speaker 1: A Buddy Mane Sean Martin did this. Strokes gained analysis
Speaker 1: of winners and the golf course where they picked up
Speaker 1: the most shots to the field, and the two holes
Speaker 1: that came out on top were number three and number fourteen.
Speaker 2: Well, they're the two holes that you can have the
Speaker 2: most docile seeming holes. No bunkers on fourteen three has bunkers,
Speaker 2: but they're really easy to miss. You just kind of
Speaker 2: hit some sort of well modern play. These guys all
Speaker 2: seem to hit driver up short left of the green,
Speaker 2: but it's just been a three or two or three
Speaker 2: on or a hybrid these days to the top of
Speaker 2: the hill and a wedge under the green, and it's
Speaker 2: relatively simple. And four teen is driver in a nine
Speaker 2: to nine or something. But they'd have two greens that
Speaker 2: if you miss them in the wrong spots you have
Speaker 2: almost zero chance to make par and a big chance
Speaker 2: to make six or seven or eight. You can just
Speaker 2: they turn you into idiots. That doesn't actually surprise me,
Speaker 2: Like I think everyone would have thought twelve or thirteen
Speaker 2: or eleven or fifteen.
Speaker 1: But it's.
Speaker 2: The third I think is a genius hole because the
Speaker 2: only way to really make birdie or get it close
Speaker 2: is to really risk missing it short of the green.
Speaker 2: And if you miss it short of the green, it's
Speaker 2: almost an impossible up and down. It comes all the
Speaker 2: way back and you're twelve feet below the level of
Speaker 2: the green. To this crazy pitched green, and the only
Speaker 2: way to get that pitch close if you do miss
Speaker 2: it short is to risk leaving it short again. You know,
Speaker 2: So once you've missed it short, unless you say, right,
Speaker 2: I'm just going to make five. And by the way,
Speaker 2: it's not an easy five because your little pitch will
Speaker 2: go twelve feet past the hole and at that'll break
Speaker 2: six feet. And so if you want to have a
Speaker 2: good score, if you want to make three, you have
Speaker 2: to risk living it short. If you want to make four,
Speaker 2: once you leave it short, you have to risk leaving
Speaker 2: it short again. And that just kind of follows the
Speaker 2: whole hole it's and fourteen is the miss on fourteen
Speaker 2: is long right, but you'd ever't want to miss like
Speaker 2: an eight or nine. Iine too, and they're usually it's.
Speaker 1: Really hard to miss long right for a good player too.
Speaker 2: It is especially rady, especially a righty. Yeah, it's not
Speaker 2: the thing you usually miss short right orlong left right,
Speaker 2: which is the genius on twelve, but it's a there's
Speaker 2: the three of the four pins on fourteen generally are oh,
Speaker 2: I want to make birdie there. It's kind of one
Speaker 2: of your last birdie chances. You've got fifteen and sixteen,
Speaker 2: but seventeen and eighteen are really tough, so you kind
Speaker 2: of wanted to get something going on fourteen. You've got
Speaker 2: a nine, nine or eight iro into a pin that
Speaker 2: it's all going to roll towards, but you kind of
Speaker 2: have to risk landing it short of the green to
Speaker 2: get it really close sometimes, and if you miss it
Speaker 2: short of fourteen, you definitely I mean, that's a one
Speaker 2: N ten up and down. So what fourteen is an
Speaker 2: amazing green?
Speaker 1: One of my favorite things I've heard you say, and
Speaker 1: I think you said it. I'm not sure if you
Speaker 1: said it on our pod or on the stay of
Speaker 1: the game, but you said, like, the greatest holes are
Speaker 1: the ones where if you want to make an easy
Speaker 1: par it's like, you know, if you want to make
Speaker 1: parts really easy, but if you want to make Birdie,
Speaker 1: and it's really hard. So from what I'm hearing, like
Speaker 1: three and fourteen are holes where if you're in the hunt,
Speaker 1: your expectation almost changes. Where those are holes you feel
Speaker 1: like you got to get Birdie right, Yeah, yeah, for sure,
Speaker 1: So all of a sudden it switches versus the tough
Speaker 1: holes coming in where you're like, par is a good score.
Speaker 1: So that expectation flip then brings bogie or worse into play.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like eleven is so obviously impossible. You're quite content
Speaker 2: to go two fours and two fives to the week.
Speaker 2: Probably that would be okay. You know, most winners of
Speaker 2: the Masters probably have a bogie or two and eleven,
Speaker 2: So you're quite happy. I am it away from the grain.
Speaker 2: Everyone aims at the right edge of the grain and
Speaker 2: tries to hit it in the right spot. And maybe
Speaker 2: on Sunday these modern roars and dustens and they're super
Speaker 2: aggressive and they'll go for it. But generally you're quite
Speaker 2: content if you make five on eleven. Oh well, everyone's
Speaker 2: making five on eleven. But see three and fourteen. They
Speaker 2: are legitimate birdie holes. But the only way to make
Speaker 2: Bertie is to risk making bogie, which is the genius
Speaker 2: of the whole course really and all great courses in
Speaker 2: that they give the great player a par pretty much.
Speaker 2: If you want to make par, if you give up,
Speaker 2: Bertie will give you a par. But as soon as
Speaker 2: you want to make Bertie, that's when you bring bogie.
Speaker 2: And if you want to make eagle, you're going to
Speaker 2: bring double. In to me. That is absolutely perfect because
Speaker 2: it's probably relatively easy for a good player playing well
Speaker 2: to cruise around here, have a decent week, finish top twenty,
Speaker 2: take no risks, put a nice check in his pocket,
Speaker 2: and just walk away and get invited back next year
Speaker 2: and happy days. But to win the tournament you have
Speaker 2: to go for everything. And when you go for everything,
Speaker 2: that's when it can all go wrong.
Speaker 1: It almost too, becomes enhanced when you're in position two.
Speaker 1: So like if you or because like if you're coming
Speaker 1: down on that back nine and you're in fifteenth, you
Speaker 1: know you have a shot if you play a great nine,
Speaker 1: but if you're in fiftieth, like it is what it.
Speaker 2: Is, yeah, yeah, it's It just makes you so nervous
Speaker 2: this course, and the only way to make birdies and
Speaker 2: have do great shots is to take on shots you
Speaker 2: don't want to take on. Like on a normal week,
Speaker 2: you just wouldn't hit that second shot to fifteen. I mean,
Speaker 2: it looks like you're hitting a three on on the
Speaker 2: top of a Volkswagen Beetle. It just wow, this is
Speaker 2: a really, really hard shot. But if you want to win,
Speaker 2: you've got to hit it, and you've got to get
Speaker 2: your head into that place where obviously guys like Phil
Speaker 2: and Tiger seem to get it into that fearless swing,
Speaker 2: that Rory kind of that that free swing. It's like,
Speaker 2: you know what, the only way I can hit this
Speaker 2: shot is to be loose. But the difficulty of the
Speaker 2: shot and the potential train wrecks the challenge is to
Speaker 2: get loose with that much trouble around. It's really that's
Speaker 2: to me, the whole essence of the Masters is to
Speaker 2: swing loose with hyper aggressive, really risky plays, and that's
Speaker 2: a really difficult thing to do.
Speaker 1: It's the counterintuitive of GoF Like it's a really scary
Speaker 1: shot and most people get cautious, and then when you
Speaker 1: get cautious, you're dead.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Human nature is to like, well, this is risky,
Speaker 2: so I'm not sure about this. I'll just carefully, like
Speaker 2: just feed it up there so I don't get any trouble. Well,
Speaker 2: that's why you get into trouble, because you get careful
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: It's funny. I always say I'm like a scuba I'm
Speaker 1: like a snorkeler when I play golf, Like if I
Speaker 1: get a little under the water, i'm fine. But as
Speaker 1: soon as I get certain spot, that's when I start
Speaker 1: protecting and I start losing it. But that's what makes
Speaker 1: you guys so great. You're nuclear subs. Like everybody that's
Speaker 1: playing in the Masters, for the most part, has the
Speaker 1: ability to get there. But then this is a golf
Speaker 1: course that makes it even harder to get there because
Speaker 1: it's even scarier.
Speaker 2: Right it is, and I mean it's it's all part
Speaker 2: of it. So the whole picture, I mean, the build
Speaker 2: up to the Masters is outrageous. Every media official in
Speaker 2: the world is here, everybody's watching. It's the one everybody
Speaker 2: wants to win, at least in April. It's the one
Speaker 2: everyone wants to win because it's the first one for
Speaker 2: six or nine months. It sets up the whole year
Speaker 2: for everybody. I mean, it sets up your career. It's
Speaker 2: just such a huge deal. And it's a course that
Speaker 2: just and so your kind of anxious performance anxiety anyway,
Speaker 2: Like it's hard to be loose and free, but the
Speaker 2: only way to play it well is to be loose
Speaker 2: and free. So you've got that fight in yourself that
Speaker 2: you're desperate to win or you really want to win
Speaker 2: really badly, and that usually creates tension and tightness and
Speaker 2: being careful. But the only way to play it well
Speaker 2: is to be the other way around. And if you
Speaker 2: look at historically, guys like Fred Kapple's play there every year.
Speaker 2: I mean that's the pit of me of a loose skulfer.
Speaker 2: You know, it's phil you know it's win or oh well,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter, like I just want to win. So
Speaker 2: that's really those sort of guys are going to play well.
Speaker 2: And I think that's why it's so hard for guys
Speaker 2: when it like Rory at the moment when it becomes
Speaker 2: their thing. You know, it was Norman and Duval and
Speaker 2: Ernie Els and it was that they just every year
Speaker 2: it gets harder to be loose, because how do you
Speaker 2: that one thing you really want the world the most?
Speaker 2: You have to be looser than every other week. That's
Speaker 2: a really really hard thing to do, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean you see with Tiger ever once once way Yang, like,
Speaker 1: I think that's like a fundamental thing, like nobody had
Speaker 1: beaten them. He'd never lost in that moment, and he
Speaker 1: lost in that moment. It's like he actually decided you
Speaker 1: never had experienced it, you know, it's like you.
Speaker 2: Don't know, Yeah, there'd be an argument to say, like
Speaker 2: a psychologist convention would sit down and like analyze the
Speaker 2: whole thing. But if he'd lost one or two early, yeah,
Speaker 2: he might actually still be winning more. Now he might
Speaker 2: have ended up with more. I mean you saw Nick
Speaker 2: Jack got comfortable with losing because I mean he won
Speaker 2: a lot, but he finished second a lot and third
Speaker 2: a lot. Tiger never lost. What was he like fifty
Speaker 2: and oh when he started Sunday and the leaders something
Speaker 2: outrageous number and when he's there's some Quite a lot
Speaker 2: of the magic was gone obviously when Yang beat him,
Speaker 2: because it had been going on for someone. At some
Speaker 2: point he was going to lose, right, I mean, you
Speaker 2: can't win forever. It's it's interesting. I mean obviously a
Speaker 2: lot of other stuff happened too, but it is interesting.
Speaker 2: Jack lost more than he won. So it's almost like
Speaker 2: the loss the losses were he was a bit more
Speaker 2: teflon for the losses. It was a bit more like
Speaker 2: he didn't develop the scars because he was used to
Speaker 2: losing along with winning all the time.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. It's like Goth for mortals is a game
Speaker 1: of ninety nine percent failure. Like my buddy said this
Speaker 1: to me, Like at one point he's like so that
Speaker 1: one percent when you actually succeed is like it's the
Speaker 1: greatest feeling in the world. And but for Tiger it
Speaker 1: wasn't that way because and that's what makes you better
Speaker 1: is the failure. It makes you better a lot of times.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, that's what they say, and you definitely learn
Speaker 2: a lot more from when you get it wrong. Then
Speaker 2: when you get it right. When you get it right,
Speaker 2: you walk away and say how easy is this when
Speaker 2: you get it wrong? As all, I've got to do
Speaker 2: something better next time. You don't walk away from a
Speaker 2: success and think I've got to do something better next time.
Speaker 2: You know, or you don't see what you did wrong
Speaker 2: because you won.
Speaker 1: It's interesting through three usually were you thinking like we
Speaker 1: I got to get off to a good start here
Speaker 1: because of the n X few.
Speaker 2: Horse you certainly want to be under before you're over
Speaker 2: at the Masters. And if you've messed the first up,
Speaker 2: which is very easy to do, you bog you the first,
Speaker 2: it's not the end of your day because you've got
Speaker 2: two and three. And as I was talking about three,
Speaker 2: three is tricky, but it's still a BIRTI hole. You
Speaker 2: still got a sandwich or a wedge. But two you
Speaker 2: want to make bertie on two and hopefully be under
Speaker 2: power before. You want to be one under on the
Speaker 2: fourth t Maybe two that would be great because four's
Speaker 2: incredibly difficult. Five he's going to be even harder now,
Speaker 2: but it's always been tricky. Six, depending on the pin,
Speaker 2: that's a little tough. That's a really tough stretch those
Speaker 2: three holes. So, yeah, you want to be under before
Speaker 2: you you want to be under before you're over.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Seven is a pin is a pin specific thing to
Speaker 2: like six. Six with the pin low on the bottom
Speaker 2: tier and seven with the pin in that bowl and
Speaker 2: the right are legitimately decent birdy chances. But seven with
Speaker 2: that pin on the kind of the high one on
Speaker 2: the left just over the bunker where it crowns off
Speaker 2: both ways, hard to hit it close, and it's playing
Speaker 2: a little bit long, and it's early in the morning.
Speaker 2: You get a five on into there, it's like, wow,
Speaker 2: that's a really hard hole. And six with the pin
Speaker 2: on the high tier, that crazy high thing on the right,
Speaker 2: that is one of the toughest seven or eight onns
Speaker 2: or six onnes you'll ever have. So they can flip
Speaker 2: six and seven can go from easy to difficult, But
Speaker 2: you can have that day where four, five, six, and
Speaker 2: seven of four of the hardest holes on the course.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you want to be under before you're over.
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Speaker 1: This guy did a strokes gained analysis Joe Peter. He
Speaker 1: took all the trackers, he scraped it so he had
Speaker 1: stroke gains statistics from last year. One of the things
Speaker 1: he found there's only one double or worse on eight
Speaker 1: and then but then there was very few eagles. It's
Speaker 1: like one of the least varied holes.
Speaker 2: It's a tough eagle hole because I mean, you see
Speaker 2: everyone gets in and watches on Saturday and Sunday and
Speaker 2: doggrel phil or Rory or something and in this swinging
Speaker 2: it in, but it's a really big two hits for
Speaker 2: most players. Now there's no run on the fairway. That
Speaker 2: bunker on the rod is really hard to avoid some reason.
Speaker 2: It's quite magnetic because the left trees are really rough.
Speaker 2: But there's no real train wreck on eight. Even if
Speaker 2: you hit it in the left trees off the tia,
Speaker 2: you kind of punch it up the hill, hit whatever
Speaker 2: you can on the middle of the grain. It's quite
Speaker 2: a receptive grain to hit it within twenty five feet
Speaker 2: because it's high on both sides. It doesn't repel balls,
Speaker 2: it brings them back towards the hole. So it's relatively
Speaker 2: easy if you want it to make again. If you
Speaker 2: want to make par and eight every time, easy as
Speaker 2: just take a punch bowl. Yeah, it's kind of like
Speaker 2: a punch bowl. And the fairway is really massively wide.
Speaker 2: If you just safe out to the left, safe up
Speaker 2: on top of you can lay it up as far
Speaker 2: right as you want. You can hit it one hundred
Speaker 2: yards right of the green. Long you got a football
Speaker 2: field to hit it into right of the green. But
Speaker 2: then it gets difficult to hit it close for three,
Speaker 2: but hit it inside six feet for three or stuff,
Speaker 2: but hit it inside thirty feet quite easy. So if
Speaker 2: there is, it's a birdie and parhole. Really, I mean
Speaker 2: the whole field. That's what your stats say too. I
Speaker 2: would have said, yeah, most of the half the field
Speaker 2: make five, half the field make four kind of.
Speaker 1: I was looking at the old pictures and there's center
Speaker 1: line bunker is now the rate bunker. Do you think
Speaker 1: if they opened that right side up you'd see more
Speaker 1: eagles because you're actually heading from the proper angle line.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit. I mean they probably were ten
Speaker 2: years in front. With the depth. How far that bunker
Speaker 2: was from the tee. I mean it's a three ten
Speaker 2: carry or something uphill, which is turning out to probably
Speaker 2: be about right now. Right. But when they did it,
Speaker 2: it's been there my whole career pretty much. I think
Speaker 2: it was. I could sometimes not get it to the
Speaker 2: bunker right. I was forty yards from carrying it, and
Speaker 2: it's a deep bunker, and it's a tricky shot out
Speaker 2: of it, but it's not the worst. So people are
Speaker 2: willing to take it on because again, if you hit
Speaker 2: it in the bunker, then you just lay it up
Speaker 2: and hit a wedge on the green and it's really
Speaker 2: it adds half a shot, like it's not adding three shots,
Speaker 2: like hitting it in the water on thirteen or something. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't mind it. I don't. I
Speaker 2: think it's a pretty good balance for how we're playing
Speaker 2: right now. I think there's room on the course for
Speaker 2: a par five that only the really strong guy I
Speaker 2: can get to and too, and it's a really brave shot.
Speaker 2: The second shot, it's you've got a hook quite solidly,
Speaker 2: like some sort of three wood or something up and
Speaker 2: to get it on the green to anywhere close, And
Speaker 2: that's a really difficult shot off upslope. And whenever you
Speaker 2: try to do that off an upslope, you generally miss
Speaker 2: it right. And that hole allows you to miss it right,
Speaker 2: so your brain says, okay, it's okay if I don't
Speaker 2: hook this, So everyone generally just flares it out to
Speaker 2: the right wedges it onto the green. I think it's
Speaker 2: a good balance, Actually, I like it.
Speaker 1: That's because when you miss the rate and then you're
Speaker 1: tripping over those mounds, it's really hard to hit it close,
Speaker 1: which makes it hard to make birdie.
Speaker 2: But it's still a relatively easy path. Yeah, it don't
Speaker 2: make it hard.
Speaker 1: To make car it's but if you get the ball
Speaker 1: over the left, especially with those rate pins, it's easier.
Speaker 1: It's much easier to make it. So if you.
Speaker 2: Breathe, yeah, I mean strategically it ticks every box right, Like,
Speaker 2: the more risk you take on the tee it's closer
Speaker 2: to the bunker, the easier, the less you have to
Speaker 2: hook your second shot on. The easier it is. The
Speaker 2: more that the less risk you take off the tee,
Speaker 2: then the harder it is to hit it on the green.
Speaker 2: And it's just exactly the same on the second show.
Speaker 2: If you take no risk, the further right you go,
Speaker 2: the hardier wedge. The further left you go, the easier
Speaker 2: your wedge. But the further left you go, you risk
Speaker 2: going down into all the flowers and the trees and
Speaker 2: the rubbish. I mean, this course does that all the
Speaker 2: way around. It ticks strategy one O one and in
Speaker 2: an interesting different way all the way around it. They
Speaker 2: just get it. It's just right.
Speaker 1: Names the easiest driving hole right maybe statistically, but.
Speaker 2: It's easy if you can turn it over. And it's
Speaker 2: another one of those holes. It coaxes you into trying
Speaker 2: to take more than you need to on like you
Speaker 2: really want to hit a big high draw because it
Speaker 2: goes further, like it has more of a forward bounce
Speaker 2: rather than a sideways bounce. It's a relatively easy tea
Speaker 2: shot to hit the fairway, but again it's a bit
Speaker 2: like the second shot on eight. It kind of tries
Speaker 2: to suck you into taking on more than you need,
Speaker 2: and because you don't want, if you kind of flare
Speaker 2: it a little bit, it's pretty easy to not hit
Speaker 2: in the right trees, but you end up with this
Speaker 2: downslope ball below your feet six iron into this green
Speaker 2: that really isn't fit for that set up. So it
Speaker 2: encourages you to take on more than you want. And
Speaker 2: you'll see a lot of guys hit it in the
Speaker 2: left trees because they're trying to kind of get those
Speaker 2: big bounces and get it down the bottom of the
Speaker 2: hill and like a wedge in which makes it relatively easy,
Speaker 2: but it's hard to get it to that spot. So
Speaker 2: easy to hit the fairway, but again it dangles the
Speaker 2: carrot like it kind of sucks you when you're trying
Speaker 2: to take on more than you should.
Speaker 1: It's this guy said that approach shot that front ball
Speaker 1: is the easiest approach shot Joe with a stat on
Speaker 1: the whole court, do you just say name?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Yeah, the front pin definitely one hundred percent,
Speaker 2: because it's almost impossible to hit it over the ninth
Speaker 2: green like it doesn't matter. It plays quite long because
Speaker 2: it's depending on how far you hit it. It's kind
Speaker 2: of uphill, and it effectively plays uphill because you're hitting
Speaker 2: it off such an extreme people always end up sure,
Speaker 2: always end up short because you're nine on or go
Speaker 2: five or five, you're off such a downslope it's hard
Speaker 2: to get it in the air the second shot, So
Speaker 2: nine one goes really flat, so it hits the ground
Speaker 2: before it normally would, and it's ain't bouncing forward unless
Speaker 2: it lands up top, so you can really take quite
Speaker 2: a lot more club. Missing the green to the ride
Speaker 2: isn't a problem, so that front and anything really that
Speaker 2: goes twenty or thirty feet past it will generally come
Speaker 2: back towards the pin. So yeah, that's certainly the easiest
Speaker 2: pin on the green, but it's also the one that
Speaker 2: you can if you don't know what you're doing, you
Speaker 2: can get it wrong too.