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Speaker 1: with i R Radio. Oh we're gonna miss Ashley so

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Speaker 1: much on this podcast, but I promise you it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a podcast that comes up with some dirt, some juice,

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Speaker 1: and some really good experiences. We're sitting live, I mean,

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Speaker 1: we're live at the Vineyard in Napa Valley right now

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Speaker 1: at the Carnaries Resort. We want to say thank you

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Speaker 1: to the Carnarious Resort for hosting us. We're sitting up

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Speaker 1: know what you call this sanctria. Do you know what

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Speaker 1: we call this thing. It's a gazebo. Yeah, it's a gazebo.

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Speaker 1: This gazebo is beautiful. It's magical. Uh. And we're talking

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Speaker 1: to some of Batchel Nation's favorites right now. But this

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Speaker 1: Live in the Vineyard Music Festival. You've heard us talk

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Speaker 1: about it before. It's one of my favorite things of

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Speaker 1: the year, and this year does not disappoint. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: have Avril Levine, Kelsey Ballerini, Marion Morris, Adam Lambert and

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Speaker 1: many more at this year's festival. So if you're ever

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Speaker 1: in Nappa. You're looking for a time of year to come,

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Speaker 1: You're looking for a place to stay, say at the

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Speaker 1: Carnarious Resort during the season of the Live and the

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Speaker 1: Vineyard Music Festival is worth it on this On this podcast,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna have Joe and Kindle. Yeah, Joe and Kindle

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Speaker 1: the ones. We're gonna talk to them about their scene

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Speaker 1: dating app. But right now we have a really really

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Speaker 1: special guest. Katie Moe is in the house. Hey Katie, I, uh,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna start. I'm gonna do shoot. So, I you've

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Speaker 1: had your time on Bachelor, uh in Paradise and The Bachelor,

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Speaker 1: talking to and they told me just how much, uh,

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Speaker 1: they appreciate you and love you as a human. And

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Speaker 1: I mentioned it before in the podcast when you're on

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Speaker 1: the show, I was like that girl, I know she's

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Speaker 1: with the eyes that you have, you can't hide anything,

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Speaker 1: like you can see right through them. Katie thinks for

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Speaker 1: coming on the podcast, Thank you. I'm so glad to

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Speaker 1: be here. And that's so kind. Um. I mean, I'd

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Speaker 1: Denver recently. We're going to get into it. You're still

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Speaker 1: dating Chris, right, Yeah, still engaged to Chris. Still engaged. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: changed fairly quickly in the last two years. Can you

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Speaker 1: the positives and negatives to where your life has taken you? Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm gosh, just been one year total? Wild um positives

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Speaker 1: and negatives? Well, in a positive aspect, I've grown to

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Speaker 1: know a lot about myself, a lot more. I always

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Speaker 1: So I've learned that, um, I'm a lot of the

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Speaker 1: an over empathizer at times two I empathized to a

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Speaker 1: I'm just generally an emotional person, but I will empathize

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Speaker 1: to where I try to. I'm a fixer. I try

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Speaker 1: in the end. So just learning to prioritize myself over

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Speaker 1: now I'm learning I'm really learning to say no to things.

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Speaker 1: with Katie Moe. Um, Katie, you're an engaged woman. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it did, and I think that something in me it

427
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:30,679
Speaker 1: obviously had gotten to a point that was um I

428
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 1: wish I could have sat up there and said how

429
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 1: happy I was. I really really do, because I totally

430
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 1: would have. I'm so typically I'm bouncing around everywhere and

431
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,160
Speaker 1: just hugging everybody, and I wanted to do that so badly.

432
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 1: But when Chris Harrison started asking me those questions, I

433
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 1: was like, shoot, I can't, I can't. I want to,

434
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 1: I can't. There was a decision up on stage when

435
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 1: you're sitting there, Chris starts asking these questions, and at

436
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 1: that point, you go, if I'm going to be true

437
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 1: to myself and true to my relationship and true to

438
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 1: the story that's been shown for months. I can't fake

439
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 1: these answers. Well, Chris, my CRISP. So sorry, there's your

440
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 1: Christmas My Cris B knew about my dissatisfication dissatisfaction in

441
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: the relationship at that time, UM, but I think he

442
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 1: thought that I could kind of push through it. And

443
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 1: we were separated in trailers that day. We didn't get

444
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,120
Speaker 1: to spend any time together. And I know a lot

445
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: of the couples do, um and I had all day

446
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 1: to think, you know, Katie, are you going to go

447
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: up there and just be happy? And you know, just like,

448
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 1: let let things try and make things better. And I

449
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 1: had been trying to make things better and trying to

450
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: communicate my feelings the entire time, and nothing was getting better.

451
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,199
Speaker 1: So I said, I mean, I owe it to myself

452
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 1: and everybody else to just tell the truth. And it

453
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: was nothing bad against Chris in my mind. I didn't

454
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 1: want anyone to all against Christ and boy did people

455
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,360
Speaker 1: go against him. And that made me feel so guilty.

456
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: I housed so much guilt after that because that wasn't

457
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: my intention. My intention was to say, hey, this is

458
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: where we're at right now. It's not great, and I

459
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: wanted to be good, but this is what I'm getting,

460
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 1: and I just want a little bit more. And I

461
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: think you guys have seen a pretty true, true depiction

462
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: of our story for the most part, and this is

463
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 1: where we're at right now. And I wanted to be

464
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: honest and I thought Chris would agree, but he was

465
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: a little bit more shocked than I expected, and um

466
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: it it put a little fire under both of our

467
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 1: asses to really put more effort into this relationship. But

468
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: it also was a bit of a shock for a while,

469
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 1: shock to the system, you know. I think there is

470
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: something to be said about those moments of clarity and intention.

471
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: I think it's unique to have it done on national television,

472
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: but I also think the world can't compare because everybody

473
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: has the opportunity. And for a viewer, I was, I mean,

474
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: I guess glad it happened because it helped me understand

475
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 1: you and Chris a little better. Um I think as

476
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 1: as a friend, I think it was also something I

477
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 1: was nervous about because I walked out and I was like,

478
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: this is done, Like Chris, I saw Chris turn around

479
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: a hand and seen Chris in a while, and he

480
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: just kind of walked past me and he said, hey, Ben,

481
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: what's up? And I was like, that's not the normal

482
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: reaction I would get from him. If if this is

483
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 1: all good? And I saw you and you wave, then

484
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 1: he took off on a golf card. I think, and Katie,

485
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: so all of this is the last time I saw you?

486
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 1: Where are you at now? Wow? All of this was

487
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: the last time you saw me? Oh man, I feel

488
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 1: like I just had to just dig so deep. We

489
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 1: are so much better now. We're not perfect, We're never

490
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 1: going to be perfect. I'm never going to be I

491
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 1: My relationship with Chris is definitely different than any other

492
00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: relationship I've ever had, but different isn't bad. It was

493
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 1: something for me. I think that there was a part

494
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: of me that was a little immature, um in a

495
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: sense to expect it to be like something I've had

496
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: in the past. That's um, that's not what love is.

497
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 1: And I had to take a step back and say,

498
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: you know what, Katie, like you fell in love with

499
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 1: Christopher Chris, Chris isn't going to be all of a

500
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: sudden love e Debby. Chris being sick put a lot

501
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 1: of um wedges in our relationship at first, and I'll

502
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: go back to that, because this is why it's sometimes

503
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: very hard for me to explain where we're at and

504
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 1: how we got here. Um, when he came off the show,

505
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: we were still navigating him being sick and because he

506
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: was like, literally the day after our engagement, he was

507
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: thrown up. And see that's I want to because Chris

508
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: and I have talked about this on the podcast, because

509
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 1: I was sick through my whole time being the Bachelor.

510
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 1: That's when I lost the like thirty five pounds and

511
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: I had the parasite and I couldn't like stay in

512
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: the bathroom, like I was so sick, and it affected

513
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: my whole experience as well. So Chris and I have

514
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 1: related on this, and I know this of how difficult

515
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: it is. We don't feel good to then date well,

516
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: so so you get that. So and he was trying

517
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: to be this man about it and not communicate with

518
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: me how bad he was feeling. So he was just like,

519
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 1: I don't feel that well and would shut off a

520
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: little bit. And I'm like, we just got engaged. We're

521
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: sitting in this beautiful resort, in this pent house, sweet

522
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: to ourselves, and he's just chilling in the bathroom throwing

523
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: up for two days and I'm staring at the ceiling.

524
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: So I'm like, oh my god, does he regret everything

525
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: he just did? And it puts these little and since

526
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: he's not communicating it with me or how bad he feels,

527
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: are I think I need help or I think I

528
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: Essentially the relationship was still so new. I'm like, oh

529
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: my god, this guy is sick because he's probably anxious

530
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: at the fact that he just proposed to me. And

531
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: then that's what in my head I started thinking. And

532
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: then even um, because even being sick affected the intimacy

533
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: of the relationship, and so then the physical part of

534
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: our relationship kind of was going could it makes so

535
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: much sense now, like how could you be physical when

536
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: you're when you want to throw up every second? Or

537
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: when he feels like his heart is fluttering? Um, And

538
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: but he wouldn't tell me he wanted to throw up

539
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: every second. He wouldn't tell me he felt like his

540
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: heart was doing this weird flutter. And because I didn't

541
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: know that, and because he would just stare off. He

542
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: would get cold when he felt really ill, and he

543
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: would say, don't touch me right now. And if someone

544
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: says don't touch me right now, and you just got

545
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: engaged in this is the honeymoon part were supposed to be.

546
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: I was beside myself. I'm like, this guy doesn't even

547
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: want to be near me, and so all these things.

548
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: He didn't realize that all he had no idea that

549
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: everything he was saying to protect him himself or to

550
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: not tell me how ill he was was making me

551
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: feel like I wasn't enough and like I wasn't or

552
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: or he didn't like me. And I'm like, he doesn't

553
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: like me, but we're engaged now. I'm so lost, um

554
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of it part of my

555
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: confusion is the vulnerability of him on the show. He

556
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: felt so sick on the show that every time he

557
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: was needed to be vulnerable, he was like, let's be vulnerable,

558
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: and let's I gotta get vulnerable and do it fast

559
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: because I gotta get out of here. I don't feel well.

560
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: So when he had finally time with no cameras, he

561
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: didn't want to talk at all because he didn't feel good.

562
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: But him not feeling good lasted for months and months.

563
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: I hadn't even known this guy, but since since I

564
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: had only known him for six days before he got sick.

565
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: So essentially the whole time in Paradise, I was saying, Oh,

566
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: he's gonna get better. He's going to get better. He

567
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: doesn't feel well, He's gonna be nicer, he doesn't feel well,

568
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: He's going to like all this stuff he's once weeken

569
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: him off this this beach. He's not gonna be as

570
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: miserab ball. I know it's going to be better because

571
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: Chris would he was really loving and he does. He

572
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: is loyal to a t and he will go to

573
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: war for his family and his friends and for me.

574
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: But um, and he had his moments where we would

575
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: have so much fun, but there were few and far between,

576
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: and I couldn't tell UM if I was going through

577
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: something where it was more on the side of an

578
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: emotional uh, and I don't want to. I couldn't tell

579
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: if I was going through something with someone who was

580
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: emotionally unavailable to me, or if I was going through

581
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: or if he was actually sick is what it was.

582
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: And I was like, is he never going to show

583
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: up because emotionally he's unavailable and this is never going

584
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: to happen. And I'm crazy to think that these glimpses

585
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: that I'm getting are are true or truly a depiction

586
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: of what it could be? Or is he actually sick?

587
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: And then commit your life and partnering with this person

588
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: who you don't you're like not knowing if you're getting

589
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: the full picture right. And I thought to myself, did

590
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: I just fall in love with potential that may never

591
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: come to fruition? And that to me resident I mean

592
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: I was. I thought on that for weeks um but

593
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,239
Speaker 1: then we went through so much and I told him,

594
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, listen, when you are sick, we have to

595
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: make this fun somehow for you. We have your you,

596
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: even if you're sick. You have to live your life

597
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: to where you can enjoy some moments, not every part

598
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: of you, you being sick can be miserable. Because I'm

599
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: going through this with you. I'm not going anywhere, not

600
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: for not for now. I like, not for now, I'm

601
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: not going anywhere. So I'm going to be here until

602
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: you get better. And I want to enjoy my time.

603
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: And it doesn't mean we have to jump around and

604
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: like hug each other all the time, but like, like,

605
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: let's let's be pleasant. Because he was being one of

606
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: those grumpy, grouchy sick people and I was like, let's

607
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: be pleasant with each other. Let's be let's just just

608
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. I was Chris. I'm telling you, I'm

609
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: going to sleep been this hospital chair and it's not comfortable.

610
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: I could be grouchy too, but I'm not going to

611
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: be because I want you to feel good and I'm

612
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: gonna make that hospital. Yeah, this is such a story.

613
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: See these are the moments too that helped the find relationships.

614
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: So Katie, with all these things, then with the illness

615
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: and the paradise, now leading up to today, are you happy? Yes,

616
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: I'm happy. And what me and Chris have So here's

617
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: some good things about Chris and I because I feel

618
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: like everyone always gets here the bad. So when me

619
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: and Chris have done that's really great and fun. What

620
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: we love to do is try a lot of food.

621
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: And I know people are like food that's so basic,

622
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: but we um. We love to try and get really

623
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: ritzy spots in new cities. So when we were in

624
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: New York, we went to this restaurant called res Dora

625
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: and it's like booked out for four months. You know,

626
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: we try and get He knows people in the food industry.

627
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: I think his brother in law owned a couple of

628
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: like really high in restaurants. So we try and get

629
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: these bots that you just can't get anywhere and go

630
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: and have this private meal and order like five different

631
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: courses and try it like we are these food critics.

632
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: And so we do really fun, cute things and I

633
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: enjoy that with him, and we also are very much

634
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: home bodies, and um, what's funny is I'm always so

635
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 1: tired that we watch movies together, but we don't actually

636
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: watch movies, like he turns the movie on and I

637
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: fall asleep before anyone can say one line. But so

638
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,959
Speaker 1: those are like some fun things we do. We play

639
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: board games, we play Room me Cube together and just

640
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: like enjoy each other's company. But it's been a lot

641
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Speaker 1: of learning to communicate, especially because I just now that

642
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Speaker 1: he's been getting better and feeling better, life has been

643
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,919
Speaker 1: getting better, because boy was that daunting. And I felt

644
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Speaker 1: like we went through the in sickness and in health part,

645
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Speaker 1: Like we went through the sickness part right off the bat.

646
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Speaker 1: It was like, here you go, you guys get sickness

647
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Speaker 1: And so I'm really excited to enjoy health and like

649
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Speaker 1: navigate the health side of things, because that's when I

650
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Speaker 1: feel like I can truly be myself in this relationship.

651
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: With the sickness part, I was on edge. I'm on guard.

652
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,839
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653
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,440
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654
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Speaker 1: And that's the over empathetic part. I'm like, my whole

655
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Speaker 1: body feels for him. So I'm excited that we both

656
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: can kind of relax now, because it was also making

657
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Speaker 1: him anxious not to know what was going on in

658
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Speaker 1: his body. And I get that too. How often you

659
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Speaker 1: guys together? Um, not often actually, but I would say

660
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Speaker 1: every two weeks. But when yeah, I mean, but when

661
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Speaker 1: we see each other. I kinda I like that. But also,

662
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Speaker 1: Chris doesn't like talking on the phone. I've gotten him

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Speaker 1: to face time more so that's made it easier to

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665
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: I get, Yeah, it's not not much to say after

666
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: a while, it's better to face time or or say

667
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: it say it in person. So, Katie, you and Chris

668
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,680
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670
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683
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Speaker 1: But also I actually just got booked on a movie

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Speaker 1: and that's a boast, but that's just awesome. We want

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Speaker 1: to celebrate podcast. Congratulations. Thanks. I I'm not speaking that

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Speaker 1: I'm really pumped to actually like I'm smiling like I

694
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Speaker 1: really should be. That's a huge accomplishment. Yeah, thank you, Katie.

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Speaker 1: You gotta keep crushing it. You gotta keep coming on

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Speaker 1: the podcast. Um, thanks for just being you. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: It's Adam Dull the Act. Adam, welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. Uh. You're here for a

736
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Speaker 1: couple of reasons. One is you've had a ton of

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Speaker 1: success and it it makes sense. Your songs are incredible,

738
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: but there's a bachelor tie in here recently, um that

739
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about. You chose to have Colton

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Speaker 1: and Cassie in your most recent video Famous. Why I

741
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: did so? I put a song called Famous out earlier

742
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Speaker 1: this year and with it with it being I was

743
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Speaker 1: an independent artist at that time. I'm now signed to

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00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 1: to Sony Music in Nashville. And Uh, Colton and Cassie

745
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: were on the on the way to ask and on

746
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: a road trip and they took a video with their

747
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: phone basically just kind of bob in their head listening

748
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: to Famous and like we don't know the words but

749
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: we love this song, and they just kind of put

750
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Speaker 1: it on Instagram and as you know, like a lot

751
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: of my friends sent it to me said look who's

752
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: posting about your song? And so I reached out to

753
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Speaker 1: them and said, hey, thank you guys so much, and

754
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: we've kind of kept in touch ever since then. I

755
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: think that was March or April. And uh so you

756
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Speaker 1: don't always get to make a music video for the song.

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00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: You know, has to be pretty successful, especially as an

758
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Speaker 1: independent artist at that time, to to go put the

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Speaker 1: money into a music video and get to do that.

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Speaker 1: So when it came time, um, alright, we were talking

761
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Speaker 1: instead it would be cool to have some famous people

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Speaker 1: with it being called famous in the video. And I

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Speaker 1: remember that they were the first person ever to post

764
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Speaker 1: about the song and to shout it out to their

765
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: fans and all that stuff. So we you know, they

766
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Speaker 1: were my first choice to ask, and I asked him

767
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Speaker 1: and they wanted to do it and the only person

768
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: I had to ask, and it worked out great. Yeah,

769
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: obviously this is a Bachelor focused podcast, and so we're

770
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Speaker 1: always a huge supporter when somebody seems to highlight Bachelor

771
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: Nation in new genres. But for you famous is obviously

772
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: the song that's hot right now and will continue to

773
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Speaker 1: be hot for for months, overally, years, decades to come.

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Speaker 1: But this isn't your first hit. You've had a ton

775
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Speaker 1: of songs in the past. Tell anybody out there listening

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Speaker 1: who is maybe familiar with you or not coming some

777
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: of your history, uh, and and some of the songs

778
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: you've came out with for for the last couple of years. Yeah.

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00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: I put music out for the first time in two

780
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: thousand seventeen. And when you do that, it's it can

781
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: be a little bit scary. You don't really know if

782
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 1: people are gonna like the songs or love the songs

783
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 1: or hate the songs. You just you know, the fans

784
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Speaker 1: are never wrong, and most people have a boss and

785
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: nine or five boss or something. As an artist, we

786
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: just have fans. If they love it, then we're doing

787
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: our job right, you know. Um. And the first thing

788
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 1: I ever put out was a song called Whiskey is

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Speaker 1: Fine and uh, still one of my favorites the scene

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Speaker 1: to this day and a big reason I'm still I'm

791
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: still doing this, I think is is that song. It's

792
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: sold like forty copies opening week. I remember specifically Chipper

793
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: Jones retweeted it when it came out. He was my

794
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: favorite baseball player growing up. Um, and we put out

795
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Speaker 1: a bunch of songs. Uh. The serious Sex in the

796
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: Highway has been really good to us as long with Spotify. UM,

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00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: and Whiskey's Fire was a single. There's a song called

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Speaker 1: Bigger than Us that was a single. Uh, and all

799
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,520
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800
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: been building and building building for the last two or

801
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: three years. And luckily Famous is doing, uh, you know,

802
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: better than any of those songs have before, and we're

803
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Speaker 1: able to keep rolling with it. You're from Haiti Hattiesburg, Mississippi.

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Speaker 1: I say there Hattiesburg, Mississippian of landa Brett Farf I

805
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Speaker 1: was gonna say. And you followed his footsteps to Southern

806
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807
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Speaker 1: You got hurt and at that time your your whole

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Speaker 1: life kind of switched. Um. I had a similar story.

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811
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812
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Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about what that transition was

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Speaker 1: from a baseball player to an artist. Well, you know,

814
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: obviously playing baseball, and I've had a little bit of

815
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822
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827
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829
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830
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831
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832
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835
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836
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840
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841
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,239
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Speaker 1: Oh Maha, was just such a good time. And that's,

844
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845
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848
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849
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850
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851
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 1: roommates in college, two of which are on the World Series,

852
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: the Nationals. They just won the World Series, which is

853
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:19,879
Speaker 1: pretty awesome. Um, they all had guitars, they all played guitar.

854
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: So when they would leave, I would pick up a guitar,

855
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: teach myself and they would just kind of hear me

856
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: singing along around the house. And they actually booked my

857
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: first shows for me. They actually went around. I was

858
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 1: scared to sing in front of anybody who was this

859
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: um So Brian Doser who was on the nationals Um

860
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: and Anthony run Down, he wasn't He's not a roommate,

861
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: but he played at Rice, so we played against him

862
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: every year. Um and George Springer on the Astros. I

863
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: played in the Cape cod with actually, so I'd pretty

864
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: much this root for the teams my buddies around now.

865
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just they I was scared to do it.

866
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: We booked shows, I showed up, a lot of other

867
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: people showed up. It went really great from from the

868
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: early get go of when I started, even if I

869
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: wasn't good at that time. The comment I got was, hey,

870
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: you have a really cool or unique voice, and it

871
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: was something that I just kind of gravitated towards and

872
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: tried to write my songs using that something different, you know,

873
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: And so I just kind of kept at it, and

874
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 1: before I knew it, I'm I'm moving to Nashville and

875
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: I've been there for seven years now and it's been

876
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: a slow, slow built, slow bill. But everything you know,

877
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: it's kind of working out how it should. I think

878
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: your stories, I'm I'm so intrigued. You mean, let's summarize

879
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,399
Speaker 1: this for a second. Don't you make any sense. You're

880
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: a golfer who gets a full ride scholarships, who picks

881
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: up a baseball who gets a Division one scholarship to baseball,

882
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: who picks up a guitar, who then becomes like a

883
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: full musician. I wish I had the skills you had.

884
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:48,720
Speaker 1: I just talking to Mike for a living good point.

885
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:50,919
Speaker 1: But you do it a lot better than I do. Man.

886
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: I think that's in just a side note here. My

887
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: girlfriend just her brother just recently won the College World

888
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: Series of Vanderbilt. So I've heard the stories of how

889
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 1: crazy it was this year. That was this year, so

890
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: full circle moment for me. Uh played in it back

891
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: in two thousand nine. This year Kyle Peterson, who used

892
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: to be a professional player and now announces for the

893
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 1: College World Series in ESPN, he had heard famous. They

894
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: called me and they said, well, you write the theme

895
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 1: the theme song for the College World Series this year.

896
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: So they called me like a month before, and I did.

897
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: I wrote it. If you watched it this year, you

898
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: heard it probably without even knowing. It's a song called

899
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,760
Speaker 1: Key to the City. And I haven't I know exactly

900
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. Yeah, I haven't actually released it yet,

901
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: but that's me singing. And I wrote that song with

902
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: a couple of my buddies, and I think it's going

903
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 1: to be the song for the next like five or

904
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: ten years. That's amazing. Yeah, because when I watched his

905
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: videos now, like the flashbacks and everything, like, that's what's

906
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 1: playing in the background. That's the song of the world series.

907
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: Oh wild man, this is crazy, Adam. I am a

908
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: huge fan of you. I have to admit um. I

909
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: want to know one thing. We're gonna give Cassie a

910
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: call here in a second, bring her on talk about

911
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: this song and everything else. I think a lot of

912
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: our listeners relate with your story, where dreams have shifted,

913
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: maybe things have change in their life. What is it

914
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: like now to be a guy from Mississippi who's obviously

915
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: had success, uh and gone to high high places and

916
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: everything he's he's kind of gone after What it's like

917
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 1: sitting in Napa Valley. After you've played at the brunch

918
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 1: Um at Live in the Vineyard, knowing that you have

919
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: fans all across the country that your songs will will

920
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: undoubtedly be very successful, do you ever just take a

921
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: second look around and go, how in the world did

922
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: I get here? I do that all the time as

923
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: a matter of fact. Uh, It's it's really amazing. It's

924
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: I try to stop as often as I can just

925
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: to kind of say, tell myself, how lucky him to

926
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: get to do what I love for a living and

927
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: to have, you know, like you say, fans, were able

928
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: to kind of go around around the country now and

929
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: sell tickets and and play for these fans. We have

930
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 1: some of the best fans in the world. And it's

931
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 1: it's an amazing feeling. It's it's a time in my

932
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: life right now where I'm getting to do a lot

933
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: of first you know, all these places I wanted to play,

934
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: just like Napa. You know, I've heard of this event

935
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: for a long time, and all these things that I've

936
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: always wanted to do or just kind of starting to happen,

937
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 1: and it's just such a dream come true. And I'm

938
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: just I'm just really really lucky to get to do

939
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: what I get to do. You know, I'm not overstepping.

940
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: I live in Denver. One day when you come to

941
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: Red Rocks, I'm gonna be out there on the front

942
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: row scream in your name. But that's my dream, that's

943
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: my dream venue. That's the first. One of the first

944
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: CD has I ever had was Dave Matthews Band Live

945
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: at Red Rocks. I think it was. And it's like,

946
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: I remember, my brother gave it to me for Christmas,

947
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: and I just I listened to it for years and

948
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 1: years and years. So it's always been I've been there,

949
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: but never actually been to a show there or played

950
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: a show there. I I will be front row when

951
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 1: that happens, and and I think it will be happening

952
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: very soon at least it should be. Um, your very

953
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: first concert ever was in Sync? Are you still an

954
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: in Sync fan? Yeah? Everybody's an in Sync fan. I'm

955
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: I'm big Justin Timberlake fan. Yeah. I got a bit

956
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: of a man crushed on Justin Timberlake. Little envious of

957
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: that guy though. Yeah, he's threat, he can do everything. Yeah,

958
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: I get a little angry when I see him. You know. Well,

959
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: I play in a couple of golf tournaments every year

960
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: and playing in UH the Diamond Resorts UH Celebrity Challenge

961
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: this year in Orlando, and Timberlake is going to be there.

962
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 1: And the problem with Timberlake is he's good looking, he

963
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: can dance, he can sing, entertain the crowd, and he's

964
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: really good at golf, and so all of those things

965
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: are things I'd always want to be that he is,

966
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: and it makes me very angry. Well, i've never met him.

967
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: I hope he doesn't make me angry when I meet him,

968
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: But I would love to play golf with the guy,

969
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 1: that's for sure. Is he really good like scratch good

970
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: or yeah, he's pretty good. He's like he's probably a

971
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: two two handicapped. So one day we'll get out there

972
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: and play golf Adam once again. Before we bring Cassie on.

973
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: Adam's song is Famous. It's now available, the video is

974
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 1: out there, and on this video is one of our favorites,

975
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 1: Cassie Randolph. Cassie, I watched the video. It's awesome. Uh,

976
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,399
Speaker 1: It's it's super well done. I love it. I think

977
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: it's great. Tell us about your experience working with Adam

978
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: and in this guy that you seem to know pretty well.

979
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: Named Colton, Ah, this guy named colt um No. We

980
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: had such a great time filming it. It was honestly

981
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: one of the more fun things that I have ever

982
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: done to get there, I think, um And honestly it

983
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 1: was just like hanging out all day with friends. I

984
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 1: didn't feel like we were working one bit. But yeah,

985
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,399
Speaker 1: we had blasts the Adam before you came on. Adam

986
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: was talking about just how big a support as you've

987
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: been to him, and how you know you're one of

988
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 1: the first people to to really put this this song

989
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: out there. Did you ever expect kind of putting it

990
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: out on social media with then come full circle back

991
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: to you being in the music video. Oh my gosh,

992
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: no clue at all. I had had no idea. Um,

993
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,240
Speaker 1: we were just did Adam didn't already tell the story

994
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: of how it happened kind of a little bit, but

995
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: you can you can go a little bit. Okay. Well,

996
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: we were just on our way to Aspen and the

997
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: song came on the radio and we didn't even know

998
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: the lyrics yet, but we were like, oh wow, that

999
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: sounds like it's going to be a really great song.

1000
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 1: So we listened to it over and over and over again.

1001
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: So of course we had the story it and UM

1002
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,439
Speaker 1: tagged at him. I'm so happy we tagged you. Oh

1003
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: my gosh, Um. But yeah, and then it turned into

1004
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: this and I had no idea what turned into this.

1005
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: So I'm so glad it did. And I saw the

1006
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: actual um Instagram story video today. Actually someone posted it

1007
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: accounts and it was one of the fan accounts. Yeah,

1008
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: I saw that. I was like, why do you still

1009
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: have that? They are on their game and if you

1010
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: if you were to post something for three seconds and

1011
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: de lete it, they have it. They got it by

1012
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 1: the time. Be cau be careful. So Adam, I have

1013
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: to ask you. Cassie's on line. I watched the video

1014
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: and obviously Cassie and Colton are together and and they're

1015
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: a great couple and they're happy together. But there was

1016
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: something about watching this video, like when they gave each

1017
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: other the eyes, it like took me back, Like it obviously,

1018
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a video, but they did such

1019
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: a good job at really kind of showing how much

1020
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: they cared, just how interesting they were. I've been telling

1021
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: telling people this whole time. I don't think they had

1022
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: to do much acting in this video. They just seem

1023
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: very much just really happy and very much in love,

1024
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: and it's it's cool to watch. I also say, I've

1025
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: said this a few times, but you don't want to

1026
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 1: be unhappy with your current relationship and be around Colton

1027
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 1: and Cassie. It's not a good place to be, you know.

1028
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: That is such a compliment. Is a compliment to you, Cassie.

1029
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: I mean, tell us a little bit about what's going

1030
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: on with you and Colton right now. I mean for

1031
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: Adam to say that and say that if you haven't

1032
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: any troubles, don't be around you guys, because things seem

1033
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: so good. Are they good? No? Yeah, things are really

1034
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: great with us. We're just having fun and enjoying our

1035
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: time together and kind of enjoying how it's been a

1036
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: little bit slower recently, not traveling too much. Well, he's

1037
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:47,240
Speaker 1: actually traveling right now, so that's a lie. I'm still busy,

1038
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: but it's been We're doing really good, such an awesome thing. Well, Cassie,

1039
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: I want to say thanks for coming on the podcast. Also, uh,

1040
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: thanks for being a supporter of a great artist, m

1041
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: Adam Duliac with the famous Cassie Uh to send us

1042
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: off here. I always like to do is w gonna

1043
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: put you on the spot. You got thirty seconds or

1044
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: less to sell somebody on why they should become a

1045
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: massive fan of Adam. Oh boy here, Oh this will

1046
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: be easy because Adam is not only one of the

1047
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: most talented people that I've met, but he all so

1048
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: is such a great person. And I think knowing the

1049
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: person behind the music and um it really makes a

1050
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 1: difference in the music itself. So, Adam, I think you're

1051
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: a great person and you're gonna go far. And I've

1052
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:40,240
Speaker 1: already heard some of his music that's coming out um

1053
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: soon hopefully so and that's also really good. So definitely

1054
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: keep following him and keeping up with his music and

1055
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: his career. Awesome, Cassie, Well, Cassie, thank you for coming on.

1056
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: I love you, Cassie. Thank you for having it or

1057
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: having me. It's all one in the same of these days, Cassie.

1058
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 1: So hey once again, listen to the single Famous by

1059
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: Adam Doliak. The video came out uh this week, featuring

1060
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: Colton and Cassie. Generous has been up and going for

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Speaker 1: This podcast just keeps on giving. Right now, we've got

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Speaker 1: one of Bachelination's most beloved couples, Joe and Kindle, with

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Speaker 1: us in Napa Valley, talking about their most recent project

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Speaker 1: with the Scene dating app. Welcome to the Almost Famous podcast.

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00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 1: Thanks for having us. We uh, we were chatting a

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Speaker 1: little bit before you came on the podcast about this app,

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Speaker 1: and I think only you two can explain it. You

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00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: explain it so well to me, and I think our

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Speaker 1: listeners are going to be shook with how great it is,

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Speaker 1: scary it is tell us Kendall tell us about the

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Speaker 1: Scene Dating app. So, the scene Dating app is um

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Speaker 1: basically transparent dating. And what I mean by that is

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00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: that all of your conversations that you have with the

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00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 1: people that you match on the app, and all of

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00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: the video chats you have with um the people you

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00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: have on the app are seen by everybody else who

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00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: is on the app. So it's very um so nothing

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00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: is hidden pretty much, it's very out there for the

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00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: world to see. You have to step out of your

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00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: comfort zone, which is very scary, but at the same

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Speaker 1: time actually produces is quality, you know. I mean, that's

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00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: what we had to do. So the scene dating app

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00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: is uh just launched this week on the App Store.

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Speaker 1: It's called Seen s e n UH. So let's start

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Speaker 1: at the beginning. Dating apps have been around for a while.

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Speaker 1: You've been able to swipe right swipe left for a

1118
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: long time. Uh. There's obviously some great things about that,

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00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: some uh, some beautiful relationships that are formed, and there's

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Speaker 1: also some negatives. And one of those main negatives is

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00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: a couple of the keywords that we throw a dound,

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00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: like ghosting, some inappropriate pictures, messages getting thrown around, maybe

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Speaker 1: two aggressive behavior, what this app does, from what I'm

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00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 1: understanding from you, is this app allows transparent dating to

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Speaker 1: be at the forefront. So as we like to say

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Speaker 1: in vatter Nation, you have to be there for the

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00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: right reasons. Yes you have. You definitely have to be

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Speaker 1: there for the right reasons because there's no hiding. And UM,

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Speaker 1: I feel like with Joe's in my relationship, because it

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Speaker 1: was so public, we found strength and vulnerability. And I

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00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: feel like the app does the same thing. You are

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00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: able to build meaningful and honest relationships. Um. And it's

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00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: a scary thing. I mean, with Joe and I was

1134
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: extremely scary to have a public relationship and have everyone

1135
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 1: else's opinions. UM. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: I felt like it allowed us to um live at

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Speaker 1: the edge of our comfort zone, which made it so,

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Speaker 1: you know, we have a really successful relationship with nothing

1139
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: to hide. Well. And and there's so many apps out

1140
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: there are so many dating apps in you know, you

1141
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: don't know who is serious. And this is actually for

1142
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 1: people that really want to date. And because you're able

1143
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: to be transparent on this app, it allows other people,

1144
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: oh wow, this guy actually isn't a jerk. He's not

1145
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:50,959
Speaker 1: here to get more Instagram followers, or just to look

1146
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 1: up he actually wants to meet somebody, and then with

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00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 1: that knowledge you can say, Okay, now I can actually

1148
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: take this person seriously, so you could allow yourself to

1149
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: be vulnerable, opposed to on the other apps, In my opinion,

1150
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: it feels like you have to be guarded because you

1151
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 1: don't know what's real and what's not. I can see

1152
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 1: somebody out there listening right now, going wait, this seems

1153
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 1: scary and it seems incredibly intrusive. What would your responsibly

1154
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: and it could be it kind of is. I mean,

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01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: it is scary, and that's the exciting part. You know,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't we Kendall and I I don't think we'd

1157
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: be involved if it wasn't a little scary. Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: I think it's also we wouldn't be involved if it

1159
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: wasn't something that we've been through personally ourselves. And um,

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Speaker 1: I think the scary part it's not as scary as

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01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: it appears. You kind of get used to the fact that, Okay,

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01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 1: my conversations are going to be public, and if you

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01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 1: have nothing to hide and you have true intentions, then

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01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,959
Speaker 1: you know it's just allowing other people to see how

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01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 1: you are with conversations, how you are with you know,

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01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: in person in these video video connections that you have

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01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: with people. Um. And also when you get further on

1168
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: in the app, it's it's you get to have private

1169
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 1: messages and you could, you know, exchange phone numbers privately.

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01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 1: So it's not like you're going to be take advancing

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01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 1: your relationship like you know, all publicly and but you're not.

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01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 1: It's for people that aren't trying to hide anything. Yeah,

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01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: you know, you're just you're going out there, You're being yourself,

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01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: You're showcasing yourself and if somebody's into you, great. I

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01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 1: love the idea of this. I think this thing is

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01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 1: so scary. I think it feels so uncomfortable, But I

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01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 1: do think it eliminates some of the biggest issues with

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Speaker 1: online dating and social media. I think that's what it

1179
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 1: does is allows us all to be our truest versions ourselves.

1180
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: Hopefully also are most polite and well behaved versions of ourselves.

1181
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 1: But here's what I know could happen with me right

1182
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 1: We're in Napa Valley right now, so wine is flowing.

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01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 1: I could see myself drinking a little too much and

1184
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 1: saying something that I regret or maybe that I would

1185
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 1: disprove of the next morning. Is it out there for

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01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 1: everybody to see forever? We have all been there. I

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01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 1: have definitely had those moments with my stories where I

1188
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: wish I could I've deleted them. But the same thing

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01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 1: is with the scene app. So you can delete messages.

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01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 1: The thing is you don't want to make a habit

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01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 1: of deleting all of your messages because like a permanent record.

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01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 1: So if you delete multiple messages, people are like, Okay,

1193
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 1: well this person is deleted ten messages. There's a reason

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01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 1: for that. That brings up a red flag. Now, if

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01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 1: you know you get drunk every three months and you

1196
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 1: get a little wild, yeah, you have to live in

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01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: l A to do this, So for right now, you

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01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 1: have to live in l A to be a participant

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01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 1: in the dating world of the site. But anybody can watch.

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01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 1: Anyone can watch, anyone can kind of um see what's

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01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 1: going on. Um. But Seen is going to be spreading

1202
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 1: to different cities soon, So we're going to be expanding,

1203
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 1: We're going to be reaching more cities, and we're excited

1204
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 1: about that. We're excited for a lot more people to

1205
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,479
Speaker 1: be able to have this experience. Because I think it's

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Speaker 1: I think it's just a new way of dating that

1207
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: it's almost a new traditional way of dating. Yeah, I

1208
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 1: think it's So is it free? Then if I'm gonna

1209
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 1: just sit and watch, I have a note here that

1210
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 1: you can you can follow the hashtag real Connections on

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Speaker 1: social media to see some of the connections being made

1212
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,479
Speaker 1: and some of the people involving themselves on the scene app.

1213
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 1: But I don't want to just watch and pay for

1214
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 1: the app. So is it free? It is free? It

1215
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 1: is free, Yes, it is free, but there is an

1216
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 1: option um to go to pay for the advanced version

1217
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 1: of the app, which has a lot of different perks

1218
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 1: to go along with that. I am am a true

1219
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 1: fan of this. If I was single, I could see

1220
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 1: myself using this app. It seems like once again scary,

1221
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 1: It seems super vulnerable. It probably is both. But I think,

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01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 1: as kindall You've said many times when I've been around you,

1223
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 1: it's when you Okay, you're gonna have to fix this

1224
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: for me, but you step out of your comfort zone

1225
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 1: is when life truly begins. Yes, life begins at the

1226
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 1: edge of your comfort zone. And well, I feel like

1227
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 1: I feel like being a part of the bachelor world.

1228
01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:58,919
Speaker 1: We are no strangers to living beyond our comfort zone,

1229
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,919
Speaker 1: maybe sometimes far on our comfort zone, and sometimes that's

1230
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 1: the best place for growth. So I think that this

1231
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 1: is something that I love. UM that is reaching to

1232
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 1: a lot more people that are able to have the

1233
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 1: experience of pushing themselves and doing something that does feel

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01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 1: a little bit scary. Who doesn't want a date and

1235
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 1: date people with nothing to hide? Yeah, come on, it's awesome.

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01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 1: Before we let you go. I know our listeners big

1237
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,439
Speaker 1: seems great. We should definitely use it, and they will be.

1238
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 1: But then they also be like, what is going on

1239
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 1: with Joe and Kindle right now? How is life? Life

1240
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 1: is great? Life is great. We're going to be going

1241
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 1: to Japan in a few days, two days, which has

1242
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 1: been a dream of ours for such a long time,

1243
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 1: ever since we met. We wanted to go, so um,

1244
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 1: we're just excited to travel and to um. I mean,

1245
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 1: of course, we're living together in West Hollywood, so yeah,

1246
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 1: my podcast down to date that I've been doing as well,

1247
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 1: So we're creating a fun little life together. So we

1248
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 1: want to adopt a dog in December. This is something

1249
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: that I've been anticipating for quite a long time. We're

1250
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 1: going to Chicago for Thanksgiving. There's a lot of things.

1251
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: You're adopting a dog, This is a big deal where

1252
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 1: we're we're adopting a dog when we get back from

1253
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 1: Japan and a dog that does not chat. Okay, Well,

1254
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 1: Joe and I have had experience, UM have had experienced

1255
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 1: fostering dogs, and so I've had to like nurse puppies

1256
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 1: back to health and do all of that. So I

1257
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 1: know the hard part of um owning a dog and

1258
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 1: potty training and all that. So I'm excited to actually

1259
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 1: have a dog that's a permanent part of our family

1260
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 1: and that doesn't break my heart whenever they have to leave.

1261
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 1: So I, uh, this is always this question is never

1262
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 1: framed correctly. But your lives will never be fully what

1263
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 1: they were before. It's just not possible. Your life can

1264
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 1: has continue to move on, and there's been new experiences

1265
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 1: and new successes and new things. So the question then

1266
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 1: is has life at this point started to feel like

1267
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:51,440
Speaker 1: a new normal? Have you started to feel uh content

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Speaker 1: and you like, are you understanding what your relationship looks

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Speaker 1: like outside of the pressures of the fame? Yeah? Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: I think when we've got off the show. You know,

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Speaker 1: obviously it's it's a little difficult at the beginning, but

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Speaker 1: for the most part, I think we've done a pretty

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Speaker 1: good job of really not paying attention to any of

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Speaker 1: anybody's outside opinions and any of the noise and just

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Speaker 1: really we have clicked kind of from the beginning. And

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Speaker 1: it's honestly, it's really just been easy and it's been surprising.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna complain. Like our lives are good,

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Speaker 1: Like we live really like a really nice life, and

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Speaker 1: it's just yeah, and I think it's and I think

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Speaker 1: it has a huge part to do with having the

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Speaker 1: strength in each other going through everything. Um, but I

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Speaker 1: think we're just taking the opportunity of what everything is

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Speaker 1: and just kind of enjoying it together. It's kindle you happy, Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: very much happy. Happy. Couldn't be happier. Hey, Well, thanks

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Speaker 1: for coming on. Thanks are talking about seeing once again?

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Speaker 1: a secret. We always do, but I'm telling you. This

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Speaker 1: was a star studied podcast live from the Carnaros Resort

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Speaker 1: in Napa Valley, Nappa. Once again, Uh, you continue to

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Speaker 1: impress me. This is a special place and if you

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Speaker 1: We've been on the rooftop of our house that is

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Speaker 1: rented in this resort all night um podcasting and it

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Speaker 1: has been something really special. So once again thanks to

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Speaker 1: Joe and Kendall as you just heard. Uh that is

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Speaker 1: with Avague, Levin, Kelsey Ballerini, Marin Morris, Adam Lambert and

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Speaker 1: many more. I'm telling you we're gonna have a great time.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to Joe, Kendall and Katie for coming on the

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Speaker 1: Almost Famous podcast with that I've been Ben followed the

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