WEBVTT - King Josiah Johnson 0:00:01.280 --> 0:00:10.320 This is kJ Live with Chris John Sillen and Chris 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:13.680 is having conversations with influencers in the sports world and 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:20.560 entertainment in this strain. Now here's Chris Johnson. You're now 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:23.160 to get the kJ Live. Today's guest on the show 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:27.280 is the writer, producer, the social media influencer with over 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:30.479 a hundred and eighty thousand followers and a half a 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:33.479 billion impressius to his credit. He as the host of 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:39.200 Buckets on Wave TV, and he has been recognized as 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:46.959 the goat of Twitter by Lebron James. Please welcome King 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:50.239 Josiah Johnson to the show. What's up, Big Joe? I 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:52.559 gotta correct you real quick? Half a billion? I do? 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:54.720 I do the half a billion in like March and April. 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:56.480 So I'm you know, we're putting these numbers out. We're 0:00:56.480 --> 0:00:59.880 gonna hear about two billion this year. If anything. Bill 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:03.480 on the bed. You're not a big deal, nothing to 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:07.920 bragg or bust about. Just average you know, damn average twittering. 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:10.880 But you know, because this was so the last time 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:13.319 that I wrote your bio out, bro in March when 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:16.600 we did our show, you only had three fifty or something. 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:19.880 It was something crazy, So you've done You've done that 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:24.319 many since. That's real quick talk about just what it 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:27.040 feels like to go viral. A lot of us has 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:29.440 never gone viral. You go viral every day, probably six 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:31.160 seven times a day. What does it feel like, Joe? 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:33.240 What is the you know, what is the physical you 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:35.760 know the moments? What does it feel like? I mean, 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:37.959 it's like a drug man, obviously, you know, you know, 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:40.520 we're in a cannabis legal state. So it's like you 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:42.560 take that first hit of the fire, and you know, 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:45.280 you're you know, you take the first few hands and 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:47.000 couple you know, when you first start smoking, and you 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:50.240 got the munchies, and but then after a while, then 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:52.760 it's more just maintenance. Like after after after you just 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:55.400 get used to hitting the fire repeatedly, just become more 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:57.480 maintenance thing. And now it doesn't really have the same 0:01:57.480 --> 0:01:59.080 a lord that it used to. Now it's more like 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:00.480 I feel like I need to do it, and you're 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:03.080 kind of watching it, watching it happen in real time. 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:04.680 And I know a lot of people like when they tweet, 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:07.480 I'm always constantly refreshing just those first couple of minutes, 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:09.400 and I can generally tell now within the first forty 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:11.799 five seconds, sixty seconds if a tweet is gonna go 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:13.320 viral or not, just bake on like kind of the 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:16.040 immediate reaction on Twitter. But it's still always a great 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:18.280 mom and it's always that pressure of the next one, 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:19.560 you know. So now it's like, if I got a 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:21.600 viral tweet, I gotta worry about what what's the next 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:23.640 weally gonna be? Because you know, if if I go 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:26.640 days now in between putting up viral content, I'll start 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:28.840 to get nervous, start to get jittery, start to get aunty, 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:31.360 like damn, maybe I don't got it anymore. But for me, 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:32.960 so I just have to constantly come back to the block, 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:35.240 keep bringing the heat always and uh, you know, just 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:39.040 keep these flares out. So you you literally feel sort 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:41.760 of a pressure when you on Twitter or social media 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:44.840 that because you have done so much, You've like scorched 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:47.040 earth that so many times, you feel like you can't 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:49.160 not do it no more. I mean, you don't want 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:50.519 to hang it up. When are you gonna? Are you 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:52.920 ever gonna say? You know what? That's it, y'all got it. 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:54.520 I'm just you know, I'm tired of doing this. Ship 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:56.800 It's too easy, son, kind of like Hove. You know, 0:02:56.800 --> 0:02:59.000 when Hove got out the game started doing other things, 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:00.840 it was kind of like yo, a bar for bars, 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:02.720 Just like, what is it is that? Do you ever 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:05.560 start to think of those things? Joe, I'm definitely feeling. 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:07.360 I Mean, the problem with me now is I see 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:10.160 so many people It's funny of having a conversation with 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:12.280 you know, somebody famous. I'm not gonna say their name, 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:14.000 but they're like, yeah, man, I see I see I 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:15.720 see all these other accounts trying to be like you, 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:17.079 and it's like, yeah, I see that too, but I 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:19.880 don't see the bags coming with that. So it's like, 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:21.840 you know, you're in this game, and but seriously, you're 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:23.520 in this game in this world. Now. It's like I 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:25.799 know most of people that work at these companies, and 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:27.560 you know, I know that they're getting told, oh, tweet 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:28.880 like Joe Side. But it's like you can just hit 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:30.280 yo side and give him a bag and he can 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:33.160 help you with your infrastructure, your strategy. But you know, 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:35.880 like like we talked about before, it's it's the thing 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:37.440 I always say if I was like a five ft 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:40.120 seven white dude, nerdy, corny white dude tweeting at the 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:42.080 level that I'm tweeting at people to throw millions of 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:44.280 dollars at me, gave me my platform, really let me 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:46.360 do whatever I wanted to do. But because I'm a 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:48.880 six or seven black man former hooper, they look at 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:50.280 it's like, well, damn shit, or what he could do it? 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:52.160 I could do it too. There's nothing there can't be 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:54.680 special about him. He's just a big, dumb, dumb animal 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:57.360 former athlete. I really feel that because then you know, 0:03:57.760 --> 0:04:00.000 but constantly like, oh, well, you know, doing nothing special 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:01.600 about this. So I see people in its flame and 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:03.920 I'll see random humans come at me. You fell off, 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:05.640 you did this, you do that. And every time I 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:08.400 see that, it's like, Okay, fall off on this, fall 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:11.560 up on this, motherfucking another viral clip, another lebron quote, 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:14.600 tweet minding my business, fall off on that. You know, 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:16.599 there's a lot of like you said before, I can't 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:18.800 I can't ease up on it now because, like I, 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:21.080 so many people who want me to fail. So anytime 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:22.560 the tweet is not at the level that needs to 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:24.640 be at, it's a bunch of negativity and hate. And 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:26.240 I see all that ship man, I see everything that 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:28.599 goes on on my social account. But I also you know, 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:30.040 I love the support and I love the people that 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:32.080 rock with me. But you know, it's like, you could 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:35.280 get five hundred positive comments, five people, you can get 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:37.840 a Lebron quote, sweet, But I'm more fascinated by the 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:39.520 three or four people who hate it or tell me 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:42.039 I'm a cornball or whatever whatever. But then I'll click 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:43.880 on their profiles and see what they're about, and you 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:46.039 just really see the pain and the jealousy and the 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:48.760 frustration in their heart that they can't really perform at 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:51.640 a level. And this is, you know, not to compare 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:53.679 myself to Lebron at all, but you see it. Lebron 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:56.240 can put up a tweet about opening up a new school. Hey, 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:58.680 I just donated a five million dollars a charity, and 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:01.280 immediately the comments, how come you donate six million? We 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:04.040 didn't open up to schools. You were fraud You did this, 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:05.960 you did that. Your rings don't count, bubble, And it's 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:08.400 like you just see the hate of misery and bitterness. 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:09.880 And the funny thing is a lot of people don't 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:12.840 realize that these troll accounts. I'll literally stalk these troll 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:14.480 accounts and I'll just hunt them, and I'll see the 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:15.920 way they talk, in the way they're tweeting, the way 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:17.640 they move, and it's like, I know exactly who the 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:19.680 funk you are. I don't know exactly who you are, 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:22.080 don't know exactly why you're so frustrated because your boss 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:24.200 is telling you to do the same exact ship you can't. 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:27.400 Oh so you're figuring out who people are. Yeah, I 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:29.160 mean when people talk reckless and crazy to me, Chris, 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:31.200 you know, as a Johnson growing up at Los Angeles, 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:33.640 we don't really allow that that kind of time foolery 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:36.080 to go down. So anybody who's talking reppers or wild 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:38.599 or out of pocket, definitely, you know, it's like, oh shit, 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:40.000 if this becomes an issue, I need to know who 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:42.279 this is. This person. Things they're they're moving with the 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:44.760 mask on things, they're moving in silence, but they're misspelling 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:46.160 the same word the way that they do on their 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:50.840 regular account. They have the same Cadens, same sense. Caden's 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:53.599 on the burner accounts have on the regular cog that's 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:58.200 rough dog. And it's like, okay, because I don't even 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:00.560 breathe this ship, but Joe, I'm playing Look what I 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:04.279 am glad and proud about, Uh, the way you handled 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:06.080 a lot of this stuff, and the beginning when you 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:08.599 first jumped on here and you got active on Twitter, 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:12.400 you used to, you know, address every single person and 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:14.680 every single comment. And I used to just I used 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:17.479 to find myself scrolling through for hours just why reading 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:20.440 your comments, addressing every single person. And then but at 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:22.040 you got to the point we were like, yo, I'm 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:24.839 gonna let it go. Um like you know, I'm moving on. 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:27.520 You seem that you started operating a higher plane. And 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:30.840 then fast forward to that moment that night, that day 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:32.839 Lebron jumped on your joint. I mean it was sort 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:35.000 of like the culmination. I think if you would have 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:38.520 kept your original course, you wouldn't have opened up your 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:41.680 total potential as a social media guy. You put your 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:44.000 stuff to the side, and then man, it culminated with 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:46.680 that Lebron tweet and now he's ultimately co tweeted you 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:49.680 a few times after that. Talk about though that moment, 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:51.800 because we have been Lebron fans for a while, we 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:53.680 have been you know, you have wrote a show basically 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:56.159 based on his basic a character was like you know, 0:06:56.320 --> 0:07:00.000 Lebron Lover or whatever. Talk about the moment with Lebron finally, Uh, 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:02.599 I hit you on Twitter, as you know I was. 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:04.560 I was a little disappointed and almost to the point 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:08.760 of disrespected that Lebron wasn't rocking me considering how hard 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:12.840 I'm rocking. You know, it's two three chair. You see, 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:15.440 it's been a lot of Lebron, and there's been peaks 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:17.760 and valleys, and obviously I think about the old days 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:19.920 in the battles with the Kobe fans and the MJ fans, 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:22.080 and you know, Lebron joining the Lakers and kind of 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:24.040 putting the end to all that type of ship. But 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:28.880 for me, the moment of validation June one, obviously a 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:30.360 moment that were living in for me in the history 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:33.680 of Josiah to Twitter, watching them watching the Nets game, 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:37.120 minding my business, you know, was was using the facilities? 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:40.440 Were you taking it? Was? Literally? Had I got a 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:43.320 pastrami sandwich from g MLOs in burd Bank. Anybody who's 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:46.720 ever been there, no sandwiches are fired. I literally my eyes, 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:48.440 My eyes got bigger in my stomach. So I asked 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:50.120 for a bunch of extra peppers and pickles, and Ship 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:52.840 said I would normally do outside my eating comfort zone. 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:55.520 So I'm after create before the game, just firing up, 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:58.360 you know, the hallepinion, little green peppers, onto the sandwich, 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:01.360 eating it delicious. And then right around the fourth quarter, 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:05.040 late in the fourth stomach starts bubbling, running the bathroom. 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:07.040 So I'm using the facilities while it's happening. Got the 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:10.280 door crack. My wife is giving me the play by play, 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:13.240 and she's like, yeah, br Bruce, wait, she's giving you 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:15.040 played by play. Why are you take it through the 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:17.880 door crack because I'm about twining while I'm going. You know, 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:23.640 they're all conditions, like there's no excuse, no. You know again, 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:25.920 if you're in the Johnson family, you know that whatever 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:27.880 there's you know, there are things were getting off and 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:30.400 started their dad, and you really trickled down that. You 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:33.640 just have to become used to certain saying yeah, whatever's 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:37.720 going on, that's a part of it. But she's getting 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:40.480 me to play by play. Yeah, Bruce Brown, he missed 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:42.360 the floater. I'm like, oh, let me fire off this. 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:44.720 You know this, this this Harlem nice clip, real quick, 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:47.080 put that up. I come back that thing. And like 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:48.640 I said, I know in the first minute minute if 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:50.440 her tweets gonna perform or not that thing is hidden 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:52.640 is going by, had like a couple hundred retweets when 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:54.360 the first minute, I'm like, okay, it's just about to go. 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:57.280 Next thing, I know, I'm scrolling and I see uh 0:08:57.400 --> 0:08:59.640 Lebron's you know, Abby show up with the check mare. 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:02.439 I'm like James, so I click on it and literally, 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:06.000 you know he's cracking up. We go back and forth 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:08.240 the ends of calling me to go, and I think 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:10.640 at that moment and I knew, like, I love like 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:13.040 ruining my hater's life, Like there's nothing that makes me 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:15.240 happier than when when my haters see some some great 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:17.480 ship happening for me. I know how visible they are. 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:19.040 There's a lot of people I don't even know. That's 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:20.960 the saddest, funniest part about it. A lot of people 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:22.520 who literally they would have came and reached out to 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:24.440 me and ask before advice, asked me for help. You know, 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:26.880 I'm always fucking willing and able to get my tone 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:28.520 to people, come and prove them if I see them 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:30.680 actually trying to get to somewhere. But you just know 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:32.679 that moment the level of hey, I knew right there. 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:34.960 I told my wife, like, damn, this is open Pandora's 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:37.880 box because, as you know, Lebron would go but people 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:39.920 don't rock with him like that. So when Lebron fun 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:41.800 with things, they'll deliberately go out their way to hate. 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:43.760 And I do. I do with a little hate obviously 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:45.679 going into the finals and a bunch of loser Wienny 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:48.280 kids talking shit, and my thing is, you know, Chris, 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:50.320 what I've learned from you is like, if you're gonna 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:52.640 say whatever, say it, but be ready for what comes 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:54.520 with that. If you don't, don't be a bit about it. 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:56.280 Have heard you know what I'm saying, Like, if you're 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:58.199 gonna talk reckless and crazy, put your name on it. 0:09:58.200 --> 0:09:59.600 And that's the thing I browed myself. And I know 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:01.559 you do a well my counts, but we're not really 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:03.200 hiding behind burnards. And if I got some ship I 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:04.280 need to say to you, I'm gonna say it from 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:06.800 my regular account. And we could do whatever, because it's 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:10.240 definitely we will cross paths, and whenever that situation happens, 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:11.840 what you want to do and I may win, I 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:15.160 may lose, whatever, but it'll be whatever you want. We 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:17.360 could do whatever you would like. Man, it gets real 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:20.200 out here in these Twitter streets, bro. But again, Joe, 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:22.160 the way you the way you did it, the way 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:25.240 you've handled everything man, including the trolls and the people 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:27.320 that attack you on the daily basis, I commend you. 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:29.839 It's another reason why I wanted to talk to you, 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:33.200 especially about I noticed that you did a podcast recently 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:37.160 about toxic masculinity in social media and how to use 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:41.480 social media to combat that. Just sort of God, talk 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:44.160 a little bit about what that is and how you 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:47.679 use social media to combat toxic masculine. And I think 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:50.280 growing up in the world and environments that we grew in, 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:52.319 and there was a ton of toxic masculine, and you 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:54.560 think about going to places like Cranshaw or you know, 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:56.680 playing in Los Angeles, all the stuff that goes on 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:58.959 as a kid, just a lot of bad habits and 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:01.520 Nazi things that were kind of brained on. Especially you know, 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:04.000 I used as an example just my approach of women's 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:05.920 basketball when I was younger and not really having that 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:08.079 that respect. And I look back at myself and I 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:09.760 look at these comments now from these idiots and these 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:11.960 assholes who don't have anywhere near the skill or the 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:14.880 town level that these women have, and just the negativity 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:17.160 that was always you know, as male hoopers were always oh, 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:19.319 you know, nobody could be on our level. But now 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:21.679 just the respect and admiration and the ability and the 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:23.240 connection I've been able to make in that space. And 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:25.120 obviously you're doing a ton of work, you know, and 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:28.439 and girls and women's and women's sports just throughout your career. 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:31.320 But obviously seeing that now and realizing that you can 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:33.559 change the way your mentality and your perspective was. You know, 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:35.320 back when we're playing at U c l A, it 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:37.840 was kind of a negative connotation towards the women's squad 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:39.480 or what was going on at w n B A, 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:41.080 where now it's like, now I want to be embracing 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:43.320 and be a resource, being an ally and really use 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:45.160 my platform as much as I can. I connected with 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:46.559 a ton of women in the w n B, A 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:48.760 tonne of women playing in college, Like, look like you 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:50.240 may not have the biggest following right now, but let 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:52.000 me use my my my resource on what I've been 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:53.400 able to do to help you and help promote your 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:55.839 guys brand, help be an advocate and the ally to 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:57.520 the w n b A and other things. I think 0:11:57.760 --> 0:11:59.560 you know, those are mentalities that are stilled on us. 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:01.280 And we're seeing lot of that even nowadays with like 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:04.120 some own bios and ion real Sokka and what's going 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:06.160 on with the mental health component, you know, and back 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:07.720 in our day, and I've seen both sides of it. 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:09.280 But yeah, it was like you weren't you know, you're 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:11.320 you were You were told basically to put that aside 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:13.600 and be tough, and you know all this stuff we've 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:15.960 seen now that you know, suck it up, you know, whatever, 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:18.000 you're not you you weak or you're soft or whatever. 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:20.120 And it's like, nah, some of the type of people 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:22.120 I know have have mental health issues. I have mental 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:24.440 health stuff that I deal with two And you can't 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:26.440 be afraid now to open up about that and stuff 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:28.840 and just and just really communicate as man. We're always 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:30.559 kind of taught to keep that ship to yourself, and 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:34.200 you know, but then that birds inside of you and 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:36.280 then it ends up, you know, coming out in ways 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:39.600 that aren't really negative or you know, aren't really positive 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:41.400 or ways that to really help you improve as a 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:44.439 human being. So at getting older now, pushing these forties 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:46.480 and just live in life and honestly dealing with everything 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:48.560 I dealt with from the social side, the troll side, 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:50.840 you know, the people with the hate and the negativity 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:52.560 and just you know, wishing cancer on your family and 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:53.880 I hope you die, and all that other type of 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:56.400 ship that I see in a pretty much daily basis 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:58.400 really made me strong at the point where I don't 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:00.120 I'm not afraid to just be who I am, you know, 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:02.480 talk about the things that interest me, support people that 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:05.120 that deserve and are really warranted to have that support. 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:08.680 I think one of the biggest things about stuff like 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:13.320 toxic masculinity and and and men and males and sports 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:17.079 is it's a generational thing. So for instance, my generation, 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:21.240 this toxic masculinity was something that was encouraged. It wasn't 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:24.080 frowned upon exactly. You know, you you laugh at it. 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:26.040 You're the cool guy in the locker room. If you 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:29.640 talked about women in a disparaging way, you talked about 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:32.600 your sexual conquests in a boasting, short of way, it 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:35.240 just bigs you. Being a piece of ship was actually 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:37.120 looked at as a positive. And you saw a lot 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:39.079 of movies. You saw it in movies, You saw it 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:41.400 in depictions of all types of characters that we look back, 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:43.920 you know, look, for instance, pepe le pew Uh. You know, 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:46.800 he's basically, you know, hugging on that chick and just 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:49.000 pushing up order and she's just trying to get him off. 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:50.680 But it was like it was a cartoon back in 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:52.679 the day. But like later on they meet too, Pepula 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:55.520 the pew. With all that to be said, Joe, when 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:58.280 you have been in something has been ingrained in you 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:02.199 and your culture and your generation, it takes an undoing. 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:06.560 So mental health issues, so toxic maculinity can be viewed 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:09.960 as a mental health issue, like you are, you're looking 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:12.240 so so basically we need that needs to be I 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:15.240 think not enough is done to address and do the 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:19.280 undoing part of things for folks like myself going, you know, pushing, 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:21.600 gonna be in his fifties pretty soon here around the corner, 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:23.760 I haven't had, you know. And a lot of it 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:25.080 is self help. A lot of it. You got to 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:27.240 identify the problem. You gotta go and say, hey, I 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:28.720 need to talk to somebody about this and I need 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:31.800 to get myself under control. I wish there were more 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:36.280 resources for men like like myself and yourself who played 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:39.760 high level basketball on the college level to deal with stuff, 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:43.200 to help us transition into our adulthood. But again, a 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:44.840 lot of it is on the individual, and I agree 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:47.040 with that definitely for sure. I mean I think, look, 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:50.880 it takes a lot to admit and acknowledge anybody. Nobody 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:52.640 likes any when they're wrong. Like look at Twitter debates 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:54.520 and arguments. Nobody will ever be like, oh I'm wrong 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:56.400 or just like them. I mean, looking at the ship 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:58.120 going down with the pandemic now and people with they're 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:00.920 asking nine point of views about vaccines and this that 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:03.480 and whatever. It's it's at no point you want to 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:05.200 be told. You know, we're in California. We just had 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:08.400 a recallection where it's close to three million dollars for 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:10.480 what for Gavin Newsom to do a better number than 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:12.200 he did in you know the team, you know what 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:14.880 I mean. So this is but this is the reality. 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:17.640 And people once they hold onto something, once they believe something, 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:19.080 there's really nothing you're gonna do to be able to 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:20.720 change it. Select to your point, it takes a lot 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:22.560 for any human being to look in the mirror and 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:24.160 be like, look, I gotta be a better person. I 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:26.480 think somewhere along my journey, because you know, I've been 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:28.960 in those lot rooms as well, and that was you know, 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:30.520 that was a running gag in the joke. And I 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:33.080 remember in College of sports psychologists hit me up like, yo, 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:34.760 if you ever need to talk because I'm afriend, I'm 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:36.640 not talking to you. I'm not crazy, and that's what 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:39.240 you think, but really you need those persons to talk 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:40.680 to you to get it out and you know, just 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:42.920 and that's what I have now with my family structure, 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:45.240 people like yourself and and josh Amon the rest of 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:46.880 our our family, just to be able to talk to people, 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:49.280 bounce ideas off of them, like am I tripping and 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:51.400 you know they tripping whatever? And it's helped me a 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:52.680 lot of the human being because, like I said, you 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:54.640 bought a lot of that stuff up and it really 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:57.520 displays itself in an extremely negative way when you unleash it. 0:15:57.560 --> 0:15:59.560 And as you know, being to Johnson, we can bottle 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:01.120 some ship up and then when it's time to unload, 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:04.400 we will unleash and you know, really really just be 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:07.080 wild and regulars about it. But now I think, getting 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:08.800 older and obviously yourself, I look at you as a 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:11.720 role modeling example is you know, it takes a lot 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:13.080 of step, It takes a lot of courage to be 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:15.080 able to acknowledge these things and now move on and 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:17.320 be better from them. And you don't have to be 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:19.760 you know, like like Fat Joe said, yesterday's price not 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:23.200 today's price. Yesterday's mentality doesn't need to be today's mentality either. 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:25.680 You can move on and you can elevate. And you know, 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:28.040 I'm on that panel I did on talk to mass Lenny. 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:29.640 They were talking about cancel coaching all this and that 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:32.680 it's like all that ship is a figment of your imagination. 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:35.040 I've seen human beings be canceled on Monday. By Wednesday, 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:37.200 they're right back and to do whatever they want to do. 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:39.440 So that's all just kind of the ship that's social 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:41.040 and grains on people, and people need to be able 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:44.040 to take the split reality from social. They're not the 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:46.280 same thing. So they look at me and you know 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:48.600 me like as this whole thing. I've risen this account 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:50.640 of I've tried to stay levelheaded, not drink my own cool. 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:52.640 They believe my own height. People call me the king 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:54.560 and asked the King it is you've never missed and 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:56.720 blah blah blah, like my fuck, you just never I 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:59.200 missed a ton. You just haven't seen it. I failed 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:02.040 a shiploading, but from those failures I've been able to 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:03.880 build an elevate to get to I want to be 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:05.840 because you know, like said, I'm not gonna stay down, 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:07.119 you know what I mean. I might be down right now, 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:09.560 but I'm I ain't gonna stay down like whatever. I'm 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:12.160 gonna try to go get it. You know, Yep, yep, 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:14.399 no man. That's and and this is These are the 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:17.159 type of conversations I think that we need as males, 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:19.200 we need as men. We need to spend more time 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:22.000 addressing because we have we have a lot of young, 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:25.840 impressionable youngsters basically listening to us that that you know, 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:28.720 subscribe to your content, listen to my stuff, watch our videos, 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:31.400 watch our stuff. So the messaging has to be one 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:34.120 of hey, you know, you know that stuff ain't cool 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:36.240 and I realized that. And I want to ask you this, 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:39.639 do you think when you became a dad and fatherhood 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:42.359 did that sort of change your mentality at all? Because 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:45.439 I know when I had little girls and daughters, I 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:48.320 started to kind of look at things through a different lens. 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:52.680 Did you yeah? For sure? Boys that I go back 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:54.359 and wink with the way I was before kids and 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:56.480 know why I am now and they definitely changed. I 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:58.600 mean they with your patient as your home, mentality, how 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:01.760 to approach things, and now just being responsible for another 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:03.840 humans life and well being. Right, you know when when 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:06.800 the baby first comes out, all my friends, my male 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:08.240 friends who are about to have kids and ship, and 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:10.240 it's like it's not really gonna it's not really gonna change. 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:12.359 For you're gonna notice the hormonal changes in your and 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:14.840 your wife or your girlfriend, whoever. You're gonna see that. 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:16.439 But once that baby comes out, then it's like you 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:19.199 gotta lock and low because now you're responsible for this 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:21.400 child for the rest of his life. It's well being, 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:24.040 it's health. Now became less about me. There were times, 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:26.919 you know, pre kids, when I have a quitter mentality 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:29.000 or just give up and not give a fuck, you 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:30.919 know what was me type of you know, just approach 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:32.840 to life where it's like I gotta feed these children 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:35.399 now and that's the ship that drives and motivates me 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:38.040 and everything I do now, Like I gotta do your point. 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:40.160 I'm not gonna waste my time going at people who 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:41.600 don't rock them. You don't rock with me, I don't 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:43.199 rock with tons of things. Don't You don't see me 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:44.840 talking about how much I hate this or hate that, 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:47.600 or then this sucked, or that I stopped worrying about 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:50.240 other people's art, creativity, blessings and all that other ship. 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:52.359 And that's when my life got so much better because 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:53.840 I know, now I gotta worry about these kids, and 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:55.560 I gotta feed them, and they don't want to hear 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:58.240 no excuses. They don't want to hear whatever reason I 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:00.359 didn't do this or couldn't do that, or couldn't couldn't 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:02.760 provide for them, Like that's not on the table. So 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:05.320 everything I do now is with that motivation. And that's 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:07.320 where you know, I get so spirited and passionate and 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:09.439 fiery about a lot of this ship because you know, 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:11.920 like you know, when you see people taking your whole 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:14.080 style or taking your whole is um now but trying 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:16.240 to be buddies with you and buddy, it's like, my fucker, 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:18.320 this is money. You just took fucking food off my table, 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:20.720 Like this is now my kids can't eat because you 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:22.679 want to steal my ship and try to you know, 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:24.879 basically look at the style that I created and not 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:27.639 really pay your dues and pay your ties to to 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:31.280 the person that's responsible for so the ship really becomes frustrating, 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:33.080 especially in the social world. This is the thing I 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:34.679 pressed upon a lot of people that look like us, 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:36.080 black men and women that are trying to get in 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:38.840 the game. It's like, like you already have a huge following, 0:19:38.960 --> 0:19:41.400 Like they're just they're just kind of mystique about social 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:43.280 where if you look at the highest level, it's a 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:45.800 lot of white people in positions that they candidly don't earn, 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:48.480 Like you know, I'm looking at the social game and 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:50.480 if you're like, like, if you had to pick between 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:52.040 who who you want to be a VP of your 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:54.040 company or who you want to do this or that, 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:56.239 the person with a hundred any three thousand followers that's 0:19:56.240 --> 0:19:58.000 shown that they can get it out the mud and 0:19:58.040 --> 0:19:59.639 go viral on the owner. The person with like two 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:03.119 followers that frankly doesn't know ship can't even build social 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:05.359 on their own account. This is not but this is 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:07.040 not how the world works. So all these people get 0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:09.400 put in positions where their head of this and VP 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:11.520 of that and do this and do that, and it's 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:13.879 like for what you haven't even like you saw social 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:16.159 that you can't even build your own ship, like like 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:17.960 you're so good at social that you don't even know 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:19.600 how to take all the things that apparently are good 0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:21.840 enough for you to get these these cushy jobs and 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:24.840 applying to your own accounts, How does that make any less? 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:26.800 Like me being a chef, but I cam only a 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:29.160 chef when I could fucking do it at my five 0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:31.240 star gourmet restaurant. When I'm at home in the kitchen, 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:33.600 I can't even make a grill cheese sandwich. I don't 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:36.040 know how to don't. I don't know how to do this, 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:39.240 But you know, give me all the resources and everything. 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:42.000 So for me, like you were having kids, really just 0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:43.920 lit a fire under my ask like I gotta get 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:46.320 my life together, gotta get my ship right, because ultimately 0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:47.760 they don't want to hear no excuses. And we have 0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:50.680 that sports background and mentality playing for people like Coach West, 0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:52.840 like I don't want to hear no fucking excuses. Get 0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:55.359 it done, or you know, or you fail. That's pretty 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:57.320 much it. And that's how I move in shape now 0:20:57.320 --> 0:21:01.320 in this game. Perspective is everything, man, and and it's 0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:04.720 just it's amazing to see how brothers change and development evolved. 0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:07.840 But let's get back to something that you're doing currently. 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:09.440 A lot of people, Well, so we just talked about 0:21:09.480 --> 0:21:11.720 your Twitter exploits and and for a lot of people, 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:14.280 you know, just doing that would be something to hang 0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:17.920 they had on. But man, you're also you've created a show, 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:22.040 an animated comedy series for Comedy Central, Legends of Champion 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:25.840 of Heights. And then on October twenty night, you're a 0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:32.520 writer producer on Colin Black and White, right, and excuse me, 0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:35.119 Colin and Black and White, which was a Netflix series 0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:38.760 produced exactly produced by Colin Kaepernick and Avla Duverney, and 0:21:38.840 --> 0:21:41.360 you're on there as a writer producer. Man, that must 0:21:41.359 --> 0:21:43.520 have been an amazing experience. To talk about a little 0:21:43.520 --> 0:21:47.000 bit about working with Ava, Michael Starberry and those big 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:49.560 time people in that writer's room. Well, first, I mean 0:21:49.560 --> 0:21:51.600 shouts out to Starburry for giving me the opportunity and 0:21:51.640 --> 0:21:53.359 you know, you know, the love that we are the 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:56.160 family have a Starberry. But obviously my my favorite writer 0:21:56.200 --> 0:21:58.680 in the game. And to see history jectory has been 0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:01.080 so inspiring since me him for the first time in 0:22:01.119 --> 0:22:04.119 two thousand nine, knowing how talented he was then and 0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:06.320 now seeing it all kind of coming to fruition obviously 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:08.200 when they see us to get the Emmy nomination that 0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:10.520 should have won, but that's neither here nor there. And 0:22:10.560 --> 0:22:13.200 then you know, partner back up with Ava to do 0:22:13.480 --> 0:22:15.840 this show Colin in Black and White and obviously shout 0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:18.439 out to Ava fellow U s l A Brewing, you know, 0:22:18.640 --> 0:22:20.800 just you know, queen like I can't. You know, it's 0:22:20.800 --> 0:22:22.200 always like you want to get people with their flowers 0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:24.080 when they're a lives. So anytime people ask me about Ava, 0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:26.600 I always trying to make sure to do that because 0:22:26.760 --> 0:22:28.439 her giving me the opportunity, she did not have to 0:22:28.480 --> 0:22:31.480 do this, she didn't have to bring me along with 0:22:31.520 --> 0:22:33.760 this thing, and to let me be a part of 0:22:33.800 --> 0:22:35.720 something I feel like it's really just gonna be, you know, 0:22:35.760 --> 0:22:37.800 historical in terms of what it's gonna be able to 0:22:37.800 --> 0:22:40.959 do and accomplish with a tremendous experience. And obviously Cap 0:22:41.480 --> 0:22:43.280 the thing about Catman, I was rolling with Caps just 0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:45.960 six teen when that first thing started. I remember, you 0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:47.800 know how I think he started his his protests initially 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:50.520 in August, he wasn't really trying to draw attention to it. Eventually, 0:22:50.600 --> 0:22:53.040 through some some various factors, including Steve White, shower at 0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:56.159 NFL Network was another person I rocked with heavy. You know, 0:22:56.200 --> 0:22:57.720 I got brought to light and then kind of you 0:22:57.720 --> 0:22:59.760 just saw his career, just get this mantled and get 0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:02.399 black balled and just blatantly just mistreated by the NFL. 0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:06.080 But I remember, and I went to the Comedy Central 0:23:06.080 --> 0:23:09.000 Emmis party, which was in like early September, literally, and 0:23:09.000 --> 0:23:12.240 we're Raiders. Families were Raider's family, were Raider's household. But 0:23:12.280 --> 0:23:14.439 I'm out there rocking the cap jersey and the American 0:23:14.520 --> 0:23:16.920 flag pants just in solidary and supports And I don't 0:23:16.920 --> 0:23:18.720 even know Colin at this point, but I kind of 0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:20.560 appear in a similar situation where you just get fed 0:23:20.640 --> 0:23:22.800 up with the bullshit that's going on in the world, 0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:25.280 especially as black men and women and the way we're treated. 0:23:25.640 --> 0:23:27.760 But we know we're respected to be here for people's entertainment, 0:23:27.760 --> 0:23:29.959 and then how dare us have to, you know, complain 0:23:30.000 --> 0:23:32.520 about anything going on in the world. And to see 0:23:32.520 --> 0:23:34.360 the way that Conlin was basically just shipped all over 0:23:34.760 --> 0:23:37.640 by mainstream media. Oh, he's disrespecting the troops, he's disrespecting 0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:41.000 the veterans, he's disrespecting the police. And to see how 0:23:41.000 --> 0:23:42.680 these things are played out in the last five years, 0:23:42.680 --> 0:23:45.520 and how this a blatant amount of bullshit from those 0:23:45.560 --> 0:23:49.160 same exact people who disrespect the veterans, disrespected military, really 0:23:49.160 --> 0:23:52.280 disrespect the police. You're talking about capital insurrection and literally 0:23:52.280 --> 0:23:54.480 trying to overthrow a government because you weren't happy that 0:23:54.520 --> 0:23:57.040 democracy didn't work in your favor. You know, you weren't 0:23:57.040 --> 0:23:59.280 happy that everybody was able to use their votes to 0:23:59.359 --> 0:24:01.560 vote on who they to vote for and to see 0:24:01.560 --> 0:24:03.760 that ship play on in real time. And this hypocrisy 0:24:03.960 --> 0:24:06.160 and even situations now going on with like the vaccinations 0:24:06.160 --> 0:24:08.919 in the NFL and guys, you know, holding this anti 0:24:09.000 --> 0:24:11.520 vax stance and you know, I'm willing to die for 0:24:11.560 --> 0:24:14.040 this anti vax stance, but not for a fellow, one 0:24:14.080 --> 0:24:17.320 of my my brothren in the league who literally was blackballed, 0:24:17.359 --> 0:24:20.240 included against my NFL owners to not be allowed to 0:24:20.280 --> 0:24:22.160 do what he was very good at doing. And people 0:24:22.240 --> 0:24:24.240 kind of say, oh, well, he he was trash, he 0:24:24.280 --> 0:24:25.560 was this he was at I mean, give me a 0:24:25.560 --> 0:24:28.680 fucking break. I've seen the number of starters and players 0:24:28.680 --> 0:24:31.320 that have gotten to look and gotten multiple looks since 0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:34.879 and you can't tell me that Colin isn't one of 0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:37.280 the top thirty two quarterbacks in NFL. I'm not saying 0:24:37.320 --> 0:24:39.000 he's the best. I'm not saying he's the worst, but 0:24:39.040 --> 0:24:40.480 you can't tell him he doesn't deserve to be on 0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:43.080 a roster. So to be able to have Colin, you know, 0:24:43.400 --> 0:24:45.399 come in with us, sit in a room with us, 0:24:45.400 --> 0:24:46.840 and just be able to see him, talk to him, 0:24:46.880 --> 0:24:49.520 ask him questions, asking about all the misinformation on the 0:24:49.600 --> 0:24:51.800 bullshit going on, Hey, did you really even want to 0:24:51.800 --> 0:24:53.359 play this that in the third and to see the 0:24:53.359 --> 0:24:55.520 way he responded that, and just even though we were 0:24:55.520 --> 0:24:59.320 actually with Colin he came in the it was like, 0:24:59.320 --> 0:25:01.439 I think, no, we're like nineteen ish. I told were 0:25:01.440 --> 0:25:03.840 November twenty nineteen ish. He came in and actually the 0:25:03.920 --> 0:25:05.679 day he came in, he found out about that workout 0:25:05.720 --> 0:25:08.000 in Atlanta, and just to see, you know, how how 0:25:08.000 --> 0:25:10.480 happy he was, how excited he was to really go 0:25:10.520 --> 0:25:12.520 out there and show it. But even us in the 0:25:12.600 --> 0:25:14.199 in the writer's room just know it, like, man, you 0:25:14.240 --> 0:25:17.080 know this knows like some bullshit dog like like that 0:25:17.160 --> 0:25:18.880 you're doing a workout for all thirty two teens doesn't 0:25:18.880 --> 0:25:21.000 really make any sense. I've never really seen that happen before. 0:25:21.280 --> 0:25:23.800 It just seemed really fishy. Didn't come to find out obviously, 0:25:23.840 --> 0:25:26.080 the league and put a bunch of bullshit and paperwork 0:25:26.080 --> 0:25:28.600 in the contract about you know, him with the workers 0:25:28.600 --> 0:25:30.080 com Ship and now that he wouldn't be able to 0:25:30.119 --> 0:25:32.119 super collusion again, and it's just like this is just 0:25:32.160 --> 0:25:34.160 a sad state of a fairy, but this is where 0:25:34.160 --> 0:25:36.320 we deal with his black men and women in this country. 0:25:36.359 --> 0:25:39.639 And then obviously from that to see the George Floyd situation, 0:25:39.960 --> 0:25:43.280 the pandemic start and just now people see it in 0:25:43.280 --> 0:25:45.000 their eyes, and Christian, you and I both know, like 0:25:45.040 --> 0:25:47.040 I saw a lot of bullshit and I actually lost 0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:49.600 a lot of respect for people that have respect for 0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:52.119 just to see how they moved during you know, the 0:25:52.440 --> 0:25:55.000 George Floyd, you know, peaceful protests and how they moved 0:25:55.000 --> 0:25:56.880 with Jacob Blake. It was just a lot of fake, 0:25:57.000 --> 0:26:00.119 fucking pandering and you know, just oh, I'm really you know, 0:26:00.200 --> 0:26:02.480 we want to do more black projects this and there're like, yeah, 0:26:02.480 --> 0:26:04.640 this should last a month. I don't believe any any 0:26:04.680 --> 0:26:07.040 word of what you're saying. And me it really like, 0:26:07.119 --> 0:26:09.199 you know, I kind of lost my mental sanity for 0:26:09.200 --> 0:26:11.560 a while during that time point the pandemic, just all 0:26:11.600 --> 0:26:14.080 the ship going on. But just to know how frustrating 0:26:14.119 --> 0:26:16.320 it is still when it was, oh, we're gonna we're 0:26:16.320 --> 0:26:18.280 gonna do better, we're gonna make an effort to really, 0:26:18.520 --> 0:26:20.400 you know, diversify, and it's like, all right, we're tired 0:26:20.400 --> 0:26:22.320 of doing that. It's been a month. I'm sucking exhausted. 0:26:22.359 --> 0:26:24.520 Back to we tried. We hired a couple of blacks. 0:26:24.520 --> 0:26:26.320 We just found some blacks on the street game jobs. 0:26:26.480 --> 0:26:29.440 It didn't work out like lo and behol shockingly, and 0:26:29.480 --> 0:26:30.760 you know, we tried, So we're gonna go back to 0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:33.040 whatever the status quo is. What about what about those 0:26:33.080 --> 0:26:35.240 that would say joe to to your to this point 0:26:35.720 --> 0:26:40.160 that you know, before in our country, nobody, no companies 0:26:40.240 --> 0:26:42.919 was doing nothing like this. So maybe if it's a 0:26:42.920 --> 0:26:46.040 little bit better than nothing, I think if you have 0:26:46.119 --> 0:26:49.879 to realize the motivations and intentions. I don't think companies 0:26:49.920 --> 0:26:52.280 were doing this because they cared about diversity and they 0:26:52.320 --> 0:26:54.040 cared about black people. They were doing it because, oh, 0:26:54.080 --> 0:26:55.520 when other people are doing this, they're getting a ton 0:26:55.560 --> 0:26:57.800 of likes on those posts, they're getting a ton of retweets, 0:26:57.800 --> 0:27:00.160 they're getting a ton of engagements, and we still sell 0:27:00.200 --> 0:27:02.160 the black people, so you know, we need to pretend 0:27:02.240 --> 0:27:04.080 like we give a funk at the highest level. No, 0:27:04.240 --> 0:27:06.920 my friends don't care about about about improving and advancing. 0:27:06.920 --> 0:27:09.280 I mean I tell people candidly, Look, I'm heavy and 0:27:09.359 --> 0:27:13.280 social media uh NBA NFL six seventy percent black. Do 0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:15.439 you feel like social media teams during that sixty seventy 0:27:15.480 --> 0:27:17.640 percent black range, you'd be lucky if you've got ten 0:27:17.680 --> 0:27:20.240 percent Black people represented, you know, in a lot of 0:27:20.240 --> 0:27:22.600 these spaces. And but this is how we're meant to 0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:24.840 look like we're not mentally capable to talk about the 0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:27.280 things that we know. But you constantly see a lot 0:27:27.359 --> 0:27:30.399 of these social platforms literally just stealing black culture, stealing 0:27:30.400 --> 0:27:33.960 black verracular and operating honestly the in digital black face 0:27:34.359 --> 0:27:36.920 where you know they're they're white. Employees will start talking 0:27:36.960 --> 0:27:40.200 about dripping swag and blah blah blah, and it's like, motherfucker, 0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:41.920 I know the fucking person you stole that ship from. 0:27:41.960 --> 0:27:43.639 I know the person you stole that from. I know 0:27:44.160 --> 0:27:46.360 when I see one of my my black friends post 0:27:46.440 --> 0:27:48.200 a hot tweet, Oh, this is gonna end up on 0:27:48.240 --> 0:27:50.359 a major account with a couple of words changed around. 0:27:50.359 --> 0:27:52.600 I've seen it happen to me personally, and these are 0:27:52.640 --> 0:27:54.640 the people that get to dominate these spaces. The same 0:27:54.680 --> 0:27:57.280 thing with the leagues in terms of representation at the 0:27:57.320 --> 0:27:59.800 ownership level, at the executive level. It's like, you know, 0:27:59.840 --> 0:28:02.080 we seeing I think we're one short of the record 0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:04.679 for a black coach in the NBA going into this season. 0:28:05.000 --> 0:28:06.760 But why it takes so long to get to this point, 0:28:07.000 --> 0:28:08.440 you know what I mean? And why you know, when 0:28:08.440 --> 0:28:10.399 black coaches are giving these positions, they're not giving the 0:28:10.480 --> 0:28:12.879 rope and the opportunities to look at the NFL, like 0:28:12.920 --> 0:28:16.000 there's no shortage of white coaches who've been regurgitated all types, 0:28:16.119 --> 0:28:18.560 you know, multiple head coaching jobs and proven that they 0:28:18.560 --> 0:28:19.960 don't have the goods. Or I look at a guy 0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:22.920 like Eric the Enemy and everybody, oh Andy Reid calls 0:28:22.920 --> 0:28:25.439 the plays, and I look at all Belichick's disciples. What 0:28:25.560 --> 0:28:27.880 Belichick not calling those plays? But those my fuckers getting 0:28:27.920 --> 0:28:30.159 head coaching jobs out to ask. So it's always just 0:28:30.240 --> 0:28:32.800 this double standard of everything going on the world, where 0:28:32.800 --> 0:28:34.359 black cip constantly are good enough. We should just be 0:28:34.440 --> 0:28:37.119 happy for whatever we're getting, and it's like, man, fuck you, 0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:39.120 we were we we we make this circle. We are 0:28:39.160 --> 0:28:40.840 we are the reason that all this stuff is able 0:28:40.880 --> 0:28:42.480 to exist. You know what I mean. You look and 0:28:42.520 --> 0:28:44.200 I love the way that guys like Lebrian and k 0:28:44.360 --> 0:28:46.520 D and Stephan, these guys move. Now where it's like, 0:28:46.520 --> 0:28:48.520 funk you. I'm gonna control my own narrative. I don't 0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:50.360 need to rest on you guys. I can start my 0:28:50.360 --> 0:28:52.000 own media companies. I can do all the same ships 0:28:52.040 --> 0:28:54.000 you guys are doing and hire the same exact people 0:28:54.040 --> 0:28:56.120 you guys are hiring, and do our own ship now. 0:28:56.160 --> 0:28:59.000 So I think you know we're seeing really it's like 0:28:59.080 --> 0:29:02.040 a great moment, especially for Black American in this country. 0:29:02.160 --> 0:29:04.200 But we can't let that slip away. We can't take 0:29:04.200 --> 0:29:05.800 the foot off the gas either. You know. We gotta 0:29:05.880 --> 0:29:08.320 keep keep fighting for what we believe in and keep 0:29:08.320 --> 0:29:10.560 fighting for those opportunities. And that's like I told you before, 0:29:10.920 --> 0:29:12.360 That's like if I was putting up the numbers I'm 0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:13.960 putting up, but I'm a five foot seven white dude, 0:29:14.000 --> 0:29:16.440 I'd be ordained. That's the greatest social media mind of 0:29:16.480 --> 0:29:19.760 this generation. Here's ten million dollars. Start with whatever you 0:29:19.840 --> 0:29:22.200 want to start, do whatever companies you want to do. 0:29:22.440 --> 0:29:24.760 Fail as much as you want. You failed head here there. 0:29:25.000 --> 0:29:27.680 We gave your promotion for another bigger, better company ship 0:29:27.720 --> 0:29:30.240 that we see on the other side very very frequently. 0:29:30.400 --> 0:29:32.240 But again, because I'm a six or seven black dude 0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:34.360 that used to hoop, you know, I'm not respected. I'm 0:29:34.400 --> 0:29:36.360 just I'm mean boy, like oh, he just makes memes 0:29:36.400 --> 0:29:38.840 like nah, I do a little bit more than that memes. Honestly, 0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:41.400 you're about ten percent of actually my workflow. Do a 0:29:41.400 --> 0:29:43.440 lot more than that, and and try to be you know, 0:29:43.720 --> 0:29:46.240 growing up in the Johnson household, we had a premium 0:29:46.240 --> 0:29:49.479 was put on education from from you know, Dad, all 0:29:49.480 --> 0:29:51.440 the way down, like you you gotta be smart in 0:29:51.520 --> 0:29:53.520 this house or you're not gonna be respected. We're watching 0:29:53.600 --> 0:29:56.320 Jeopardy going hard at each other. You know what I'm saying. 0:29:55.320 --> 0:29:58.160 We're we're noting will of fortunate as much. That's not 0:29:58.200 --> 0:30:01.080 really a thinking man, Yeah, that's not. It's complicated as 0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:03.280 a rapid fire que and that it's like when anybody 0:30:03.280 --> 0:30:05.040 can figure out a word puzzle out when they get 0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:07.440 the guest a letter. We're going hard on this ship, 0:30:07.520 --> 0:30:10.120 reading almanacs, reading all types of ship to gaining knowledge, 0:30:10.760 --> 0:30:14.160 you know, being educated, being an honors classes, ap classes, 0:30:14.200 --> 0:30:16.880 just performing at the highest level, but for some reasons 0:30:16.880 --> 0:30:18.720 like oh, when you play basketball, so you're not intelligence. 0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:20.440 It's like, no, my fucker, I did that, and I 0:30:20.440 --> 0:30:23.720 can give you buckets on end off the court. Final 0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:27.160 thing about cap um, what do you what did you 0:30:27.240 --> 0:30:31.120 learn about the man Colin Captant that you didn't know before? 0:30:32.160 --> 0:30:35.000 I think seeing Cap and you know, I've done some 0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:37.200 research on Cap leading up to it, and obviously Starbury 0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:38.800 told me I was working on the gig. I felt 0:30:38.800 --> 0:30:40.840 son dead to him. I put like a whole huge 0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:42.800 research packing together, did as much of a deep dive 0:30:42.840 --> 0:30:44.480 as I could just to find out about his life. 0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:46.720 A lot of people don't realize they see Cap now 0:30:47.200 --> 0:30:48.959 and it's kind of like, well, you grew up with 0:30:49.040 --> 0:30:51.200 the two white parents in a in a suburb, where 0:30:51.200 --> 0:30:54.040 do you have to complain about That's kind of even 0:30:54.040 --> 0:30:55.880 from the black community, you see a lot. Yeah. I 0:30:55.920 --> 0:30:58.720 think looking at Cap is like, you know, with the 0:30:58.760 --> 0:31:01.040 show really highlighting this high school experience, that a lot 0:31:01.080 --> 0:31:03.320 of these seeds were planned early on, and you had 0:31:03.360 --> 0:31:06.080 a kid that you know, struggle with his identity growing 0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:08.280 up in an all white family, growing up in Central California, 0:31:08.320 --> 0:31:10.920 which anybody who knows anything about Calli, you know, Central 0:31:10.960 --> 0:31:12.960 Cally is the red area, right, Like you know Colin 0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:15.280 saying he he lived five minutes away from the grand 0:31:15.320 --> 0:31:17.480 Wizard of the clan, like knowing these type of things, 0:31:17.960 --> 0:31:19.960 but you know, knowing that because he was great with 0:31:19.960 --> 0:31:23.000 with his athletic exploits, that people look look past all 0:31:23.000 --> 0:31:25.560 that type of stuff. But Colin at a very early 0:31:25.600 --> 0:31:27.200 age had a thirst and a knowledge. I want to 0:31:27.240 --> 0:31:29.840 learn about his culture, his blackness, and really discover who 0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:32.440 he really was, which is situation that we're beyond his control. 0:31:32.480 --> 0:31:36.160 Obviously being adopted into a white family, not not having 0:31:36.200 --> 0:31:37.880 access to the type of situation. But as you start 0:31:37.920 --> 0:31:40.320 to read, you start to learn knowing that, damn, I'm different. 0:31:40.440 --> 0:31:42.200 Like you know, I got a white brother and sister 0:31:42.360 --> 0:31:44.720 and two white parents, and they treat me like a 0:31:44.760 --> 0:31:46.360 son and they love me like I'm family. But when 0:31:46.400 --> 0:31:48.680 we go to places, I'm getting stared at and getting 0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:51.920 sneered and getting you know, the racial comments. And again, 0:31:52.200 --> 0:31:54.120 growing up in Central Calli is not the same as 0:31:54.160 --> 0:31:56.440 growing up in Los Angeles. You know, don't let the 0:31:56.760 --> 0:31:59.240 election fool you. You start making that drive to go 0:31:59.320 --> 0:32:02.800 up to the bay whatever. You know, you pull over 0:32:02.880 --> 0:32:10.520 them gas station. Sometimes you like this is not this 0:32:10.680 --> 0:32:13.800 is not for you, but so for him, just you know, 0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:16.000 his experience in high school and what a lot of 0:32:16.040 --> 0:32:18.040 people don't realize about Cap is that he was kind 0:32:18.040 --> 0:32:21.440 of always the underdog. He only had one college scholarship 0:32:21.480 --> 0:32:27.280 offer coming out of high school and at one quarterback offer, 0:32:27.400 --> 0:32:29.920 and that came literally as a result of a basketball game, 0:32:30.080 --> 0:32:33.160 like he he bawled out like Nevada. I think Nevada 0:32:33.160 --> 0:32:34.560 coach just came to check him out. He had been 0:32:34.600 --> 0:32:36.400 in their camp or whatever they he was on the radar. 0:32:36.760 --> 0:32:39.400 But that song played basically in a basketball game, was like, look, 0:32:39.400 --> 0:32:41.160 even don't work out his quarterback, we can get this 0:32:41.200 --> 0:32:43.560 guy in another position. Like he's a fucking just talented 0:32:43.600 --> 0:32:46.880 as athlete and Colin, to his credit, I'm a quarterback. 0:32:46.960 --> 0:32:48.680 I want to play quarterback. So if you knew how 0:32:48.760 --> 0:32:51.640 much he loved the position, how much he sacrificed to 0:32:51.760 --> 0:32:54.160 be a quarterback, and then when he got that opportunity 0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:56.640 in the NFL leading to the highest level, and it's like, 0:32:56.960 --> 0:32:59.880 you know, people will shoot on Cap and you look 0:32:59.880 --> 0:33:02.360 at Jimmy Garoppolo, who's in a similar situation led the 0:33:02.400 --> 0:33:03.880 Nine into the super Bowl. Then you have a shitty 0:33:03.920 --> 0:33:05.720 year and it's oh, well, you know the team wasn't good, 0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:07.920 like cap deal with those same exact ship. You know, 0:33:07.920 --> 0:33:09.720 when you look at the Chip Kelly years with the Niners, 0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:11.880 people people act like they had a super Bowl level 0:33:11.880 --> 0:33:14.720 squad every year and he just wasn't performing as a quarterback. 0:33:14.760 --> 0:33:16.360 It's like, now, look at some of those teams he 0:33:16.400 --> 0:33:18.920 was dealing with injury, he was battling there. There's a 0:33:18.920 --> 0:33:21.080 reason he had a flu, which we've seen from pretty 0:33:21.160 --> 0:33:23.280 much any quarterback you can think of. Right now, I'm 0:33:23.280 --> 0:33:26.960 looking at the Manning broadcast on you know, Monday Night Football, 0:33:27.320 --> 0:33:29.160 like their career is just more perfect all the way through. 0:33:29.200 --> 0:33:31.440 Payton has some downtime. I'm not comparing Colin that Colin 0:33:31.440 --> 0:33:33.800 and Payton or Colin Eli, but just to say that 0:33:34.160 --> 0:33:36.000 guys go through down periods and it's not like we 0:33:36.080 --> 0:33:37.440 just throw them, throw them to the side, like we 0:33:37.480 --> 0:33:39.440 allowed them to come back given the resource they need. 0:33:39.480 --> 0:33:41.360 And now when you get that squad that can perform, well, 0:33:41.640 --> 0:33:44.080 it's not always just on you know, the quarterback. But 0:33:44.120 --> 0:33:46.400 they'll look at the win loss record, those type of 0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:48.959 things and not acknowledge, Oh, the line wasn't as good 0:33:48.960 --> 0:33:50.480 as it need to be, the receiving corps wasn't as 0:33:50.480 --> 0:33:52.680 good as it needed to be. Well, well, well, I'm 0:33:52.680 --> 0:33:54.000 sorry to cut you off with Joe. I see it 0:33:54.000 --> 0:33:56.360 all the time that in no offense against Josh Rosen. 0:33:56.440 --> 0:33:59.920 But I've seen people make this excuse for Josh Rosan 0:34:00.000 --> 0:34:02.520 and like every single stop of every year of his 0:34:02.600 --> 0:34:04.520 career where his offensive line wasn't good, and look at 0:34:04.520 --> 0:34:06.440 his defense and give him a chance. All he needs 0:34:06.440 --> 0:34:08.920 his reps. But then you see the black quarterbacks typically 0:34:09.400 --> 0:34:13.000 you know your boy Dwayne um Haskins in Washington, remember him, 0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:15.560 Remember how they get they severed ties with him after 0:34:15.680 --> 0:34:19.879 just nothing. But I've noticed that trend, and so for me, 0:34:19.920 --> 0:34:22.440 it's like I thought it's supposed to be about who 0:34:22.480 --> 0:34:24.879 can play the position um and seems like the black 0:34:24.920 --> 0:34:28.920 quarterbacks are evaluated differently than white quarterbacks. I remember you 0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:31.000 did that piece, you produced that piece at the NFL 0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:33.000 Network a long time ago, when you're talking about guys 0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:36.760 like Mark was at Myron bisco Marlon Briscoe, Marlon Briscoe, 0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:40.080 the legend, the magician. But you look at I mean 0:34:40.120 --> 0:34:41.239 you know, and that's the whole thing to you. Look 0:34:41.239 --> 0:34:45.040 at the NFL right from like ninety six, there were 0:34:45.040 --> 0:34:46.960 no black quarterbacks and then felt let alone black play, 0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:50.080 you know, gentleman's agreement, no blacks allowed. Look at the 0:34:50.160 --> 0:34:53.680 SEC with schools into the seventies even early eighties weren't 0:34:53.719 --> 0:34:56.560 working with black people at all. And then now coming 0:34:56.600 --> 0:34:59.560 revolutionized position, you think about people like James Shack Harris 0:34:59.640 --> 0:35:02.120 and Marlo Briscoe who you mentioned, and just you know, 0:35:02.160 --> 0:35:05.400 Willie Thrower and guys that didn't get those opportunities. You know, 0:35:05.440 --> 0:35:07.600 you look at Marlin story. Marlin fucking was you know, 0:35:07.600 --> 0:35:09.000 I think she could have been Rick of the Year 0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:11.600 or like finished second whatever came in. But literally the 0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:13.920 amount of variables it took for him to get into 0:35:13.920 --> 0:35:16.040 the Broncos line up as a quarterback. Then he gets 0:35:16.040 --> 0:35:18.640 out there and dazzles and literally never plays quarterback again 0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:20.520 after that. You know. But just this is the world 0:35:20.600 --> 0:35:23.480 that goes on for for black quarterbacks in general. So 0:35:23.520 --> 0:35:26.360 to see the way Colin is like, oh, you're ungrateful, 0:35:26.440 --> 0:35:27.719 You're up to the you know, you're up to the 0:35:27.840 --> 0:35:30.680 N word, because because you now want to bring attention, 0:35:30.920 --> 0:35:32.960 are you just do it because you're not playing like 0:35:33.200 --> 0:35:35.560 whatever the fucking factors and variables are we talking about 0:35:35.560 --> 0:35:38.000 Magic Johnson all the time? Who we're revering our household. 0:35:38.200 --> 0:35:40.760 I'm fairly confident of Magic didn't get HIV, he wouldn't 0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:43.040 have been such a big advocate for HIV and the 0:35:43.080 --> 0:35:45.160 Age initiative. You know, you look at Michael Vick and 0:35:45.160 --> 0:35:46.480 the Dog Fight, and you can think whatever you want 0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:48.560 about Michael Vick, but if Michael Vick hadn't went to 0:35:48.680 --> 0:35:51.160 that situation, his life and perspective wouldn't have changed for 0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:53.200 now him to become an advocate and go out of 0:35:53.200 --> 0:35:55.520 his way to use his time and celebrities influence to 0:35:55.560 --> 0:35:57.440 bring attention to situations that go on there with with 0:35:57.480 --> 0:36:00.239 animal mistreatment and things like that. So whatever were the 0:36:00.239 --> 0:36:02.240 factors of variables, I'm gonna type of human being, whatever 0:36:02.280 --> 0:36:04.640 that that ship doesn't is irrelevant. It's it's a matter 0:36:04.640 --> 0:36:07.120 of what you accomplished and what you're trying to do 0:36:07.160 --> 0:36:09.640 and use that platform for. And I think what we 0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:12.480 saw and what Colin helped really engineer and bring life 0:36:12.480 --> 0:36:13.960 to and bring attention to is a lot of the 0:36:14.000 --> 0:36:16.279 bullshit that goes on in the world. Again, a lot 0:36:16.320 --> 0:36:18.279 of the people that were saying he's anti this and 0:36:18.320 --> 0:36:20.759 anti that proved themselves to be the exact same thing 0:36:20.800 --> 0:36:23.319 that they were accusing him of when she didn't go 0:36:23.360 --> 0:36:25.640 their way. I had to listen to people like Tommy 0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:28.600 Learn said that the Capital insurrection was just a bad day, like, 0:36:28.640 --> 0:36:34.600 you guys try to overthrow the fucking government? What was Chris? 0:36:34.600 --> 0:36:36.440 I was back in New Jersey with my mom recently. 0:36:36.480 --> 0:36:39.440 We went and saw Bonnie Watson Coleman, who was a congresswoman, 0:36:39.800 --> 0:36:42.360 and she's telling us what that experience was like, being 0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:45.920 stuck she was in the capital with that experience was 0:36:46.000 --> 0:36:47.719 she was she scared for her life? Did you get 0:36:47.719 --> 0:36:49.399 assensed that she was scared for her life the way 0:36:49.440 --> 0:36:52.239 she was telling the story, She she was somewhere else, 0:36:52.239 --> 0:36:54.000 and she was basically, let's go to the capital. It'll 0:36:54.040 --> 0:36:55.879 be safer there. Kind of they've gotten wind of what 0:36:55.960 --> 0:36:58.360 was going on. So she went actually went to the capital, 0:36:58.360 --> 0:37:00.720 but to have to sit there and be in fear 0:37:01.200 --> 0:37:03.600 of people who were mad because democracy didn't work in 0:37:03.640 --> 0:37:05.439 their favor. And these are the same people that say 0:37:05.480 --> 0:37:06.759 this is not a big deal, and that's not a 0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:08.600 big deal, and why are we doing this? And why 0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:10.959 do we need vaccines? And I'm gonna take this fucking 0:37:11.000 --> 0:37:14.200 horse tranquilizer or whatever. It's just such an assinine perspect 0:37:14.239 --> 0:37:16.239 in the world. And this is what I always trying 0:37:16.239 --> 0:37:18.839 to explain. It's like it doesn't you can't think about 0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:20.719 it rationally. You can't think about what's right or wrong 0:37:20.760 --> 0:37:22.520 because people, even when they're presented with the option for 0:37:22.600 --> 0:37:24.799 right or wrong. People new slavery was wrong. People new 0:37:24.800 --> 0:37:27.440 segregation was wrong. People knew the Civil Rights air and 0:37:27.440 --> 0:37:29.319 all the ship was going on. Fucking water holes and 0:37:29.600 --> 0:37:31.239 black people just for for one to sit on the 0:37:31.280 --> 0:37:33.840 bus equally that you know. But they don't give a 0:37:33.840 --> 0:37:35.719 funk and they never will, so you can't really worry 0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:37.160 about them. The only thing you do is defeat them. 0:37:37.200 --> 0:37:39.040 The only way you defeat them is by being successful, 0:37:39.320 --> 0:37:42.640 getting your bags right, really fortifying your crew, and having 0:37:42.760 --> 0:37:44.960 enough resources at your discloser to be able to combat 0:37:45.000 --> 0:37:46.880 all the negativity and bullshit going out in the world. 0:37:47.280 --> 0:37:53.000 Absolutely absolutely appreciate that. Man. We're feared a little bit, 0:37:53.000 --> 0:37:55.640 but it's all great. No, no, but it's good stuff. Man. 0:37:55.680 --> 0:37:58.799 Sometimes these are these are the topics that conversations bring 0:37:58.880 --> 0:38:01.520 up and bring out of a person, especially someone like yourself, 0:38:01.560 --> 0:38:03.759 is very passionate. And when you hear that, when you 0:38:03.760 --> 0:38:06.200 hear the passion, Yeah, man, I'm looking forward to seeing 0:38:06.200 --> 0:38:09.080 this Kaepernick project because if you bring this type of 0:38:09.120 --> 0:38:12.319 passion to writing, Josiah, this is the type of ship 0:38:12.400 --> 0:38:15.640 that you know, makes for just unbelievable genius work level 0:38:15.800 --> 0:38:18.279 because you care and so that's what matters. But man, 0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:20.439 this other thing that you're doing, Bro, you was back 0:38:20.680 --> 0:38:22.600 in New Jersey or you was back East with your mind, 0:38:22.640 --> 0:38:27.640 but you did the Prolacrosse Situation League, Premiere Lacross League. 0:38:27.680 --> 0:38:29.880 Talk about how you got involved with the Premiere Lacrosse 0:38:29.960 --> 0:38:31.879 League and what's up on Lacross. I mean I heard, 0:38:32.160 --> 0:38:33.680 you know, I did a little bit with it, but 0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:36.440 I have no idea what that sports about. Well, you know, 0:38:36.520 --> 0:38:39.319 shout out to the Leven, the legend, Trevor Trout, you 0:38:39.360 --> 0:38:42.120 know USC legend. But uh, you know he connected me 0:38:42.160 --> 0:38:44.080 with with the league. You know, they were interested in 0:38:44.080 --> 0:38:45.839 doing some stuff. They around in San Jose for their 0:38:45.840 --> 0:38:48.080 All Star game back and like me and July So 0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:50.080 reached out. Man. Honestly, I'm and I told them the 0:38:50.120 --> 0:38:52.000 same things, like we just didn't have a cross out here. 0:38:52.000 --> 0:38:54.680 But you know, if we did, my body might have around. 0:38:54.680 --> 0:38:57.239 You know, you might have seen the really doing work. 0:38:57.280 --> 0:38:59.520 You know, you're talking about Jim Brown and arguably the 0:38:59.520 --> 0:39:01.920 greatest of cross player ever. And just you know, the 0:39:02.040 --> 0:39:04.239 Crosses saw some other ship. Man. I didn't really know 0:39:04.360 --> 0:39:06.560 a ton about the league initially, but anything I get 0:39:06.560 --> 0:39:08.239 involved with I do a ton of research. Took a 0:39:08.280 --> 0:39:10.480 deep die. So shout out to the Rebel Brothers Mike 0:39:10.520 --> 0:39:13.600 and Paul, Paul who just actually recently retired, you know, 0:39:13.719 --> 0:39:16.960 after I think like a fourteen year career pro but help. 0:39:17.040 --> 0:39:20.000 So basically, these guys are playing in another league. Brandon, 0:39:19.960 --> 0:39:22.480 the situation wasn't that good. The Rebel Brothers are like, fun, this, 0:39:22.560 --> 0:39:25.200 we can improve it started. The Premier Lacrosse League brought 0:39:25.200 --> 0:39:27.120 a lot of the high level talent. It's it's a 0:39:27.120 --> 0:39:28.919 different league and unique in the fact that these guys 0:39:28.960 --> 0:39:30.440 now get equity in the league and they have a 0:39:30.520 --> 0:39:33.480 vested interest in the league success. And they basically barnstorm. 0:39:33.480 --> 0:39:35.799 So they've got eight teams, but the teams have no 0:39:35.840 --> 0:39:39.040 city affiliation. They all traveled together across the country week 0:39:39.080 --> 0:39:41.360 to week, playing in different cities. So just even that 0:39:41.440 --> 0:39:43.000 perspective kind of like the Big Three in terms of 0:39:43.040 --> 0:39:45.239 how its structured like that, but getting all the best 0:39:45.320 --> 0:39:47.800 high level across players and meeting guys like Miles Jones 0:39:47.840 --> 0:39:51.400 and Jules Hanningberg and fucking huh Romar Dennis and just 0:39:51.520 --> 0:39:54.160 like guys that are a part of the league that 0:39:54.320 --> 0:39:55.960 you know. You see these like six ft three, six 0:39:55.960 --> 0:39:58.719 ft four, like big buff like usually Miles Jones in 0:39:58.719 --> 0:40:01.320 real life. You're like, I'm talking to he was, like 0:40:01.360 --> 0:40:03.759 I played au with Dubias Harrison back in then, Lie, 0:40:03.800 --> 0:40:05.160 I know you did. Bro. You're out here. You could 0:40:05.160 --> 0:40:07.520 be a linebacker, you could be anything you want to be. 0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:12.160 But see them out there, And that's what I was 0:40:12.200 --> 0:40:14.600 gonna ask you, just about the body builds, Like what 0:40:14.800 --> 0:40:18.480 athletes would you compare lacrosse players to, like what positional 0:40:18.600 --> 0:40:21.359 like point guard like NBA point guards or I mean 0:40:21.400 --> 0:40:24.560 you see everything. You see guys build like fullbacks. You 0:40:24.560 --> 0:40:26.920 see dudes that could literally be like you know, middle 0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:29.719 linebackers in the NFL, guys are on the shorter side, 0:40:29.760 --> 0:40:31.880 kind of like baseball hockey kind of different, Like you're 0:40:31.920 --> 0:40:34.720 gonna get a hodge pods of guy depending on their position. 0:40:34.800 --> 0:40:36.920 Like they got this one legend who came up with 0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:39.280 the thick board summer. You know, he's built like literally 0:40:39.320 --> 0:40:41.440 straight fullback. But out on the field like you know, 0:40:41.480 --> 0:40:43.879 it's such a you know, they can move, they got 0:40:43.960 --> 0:40:46.840 jukes and they can move and like speed, quickness, agility, 0:40:46.920 --> 0:40:49.600 side to side. That's what matters Joe all that. But 0:40:49.640 --> 0:40:51.680 they're also like they can pound each other with the 0:40:51.680 --> 0:40:53.480 sticks at defender to try and knock the ball out 0:40:53.480 --> 0:40:55.319 of somebody's hands. So they'll be whacking ship out of 0:40:55.320 --> 0:40:58.080 each other like somebody whacked me like that. I'm not 0:40:58.239 --> 0:41:00.480 to put the stick down, the square up. They're going 0:41:00.520 --> 0:41:02.160 at these dudes, and you know they're there, weren't there, 0:41:02.200 --> 0:41:05.160 weren't protection everything, but just being able to connect the sports. 0:41:05.160 --> 0:41:06.759 Shout out to the legend r J two, r J 0:41:06.840 --> 0:41:09.799 Kminsky over at uh, you know, Premier Lacrosse League. To me, 0:41:09.920 --> 0:41:12.560 it reminds me so much of what the NFL was 0:41:12.600 --> 0:41:14.480 doing back in the early days with the NFL films, 0:41:14.520 --> 0:41:16.440 And if people look at the success of the NFL, 0:41:16.800 --> 0:41:19.000 you gotta look at the sables Stephen Head and what 0:41:19.040 --> 0:41:21.640 they were able to do and making those games feel 0:41:21.680 --> 0:41:23.480 larger than life like when I was at NFL and 0:41:23.600 --> 0:41:26.160 NFL network. I always say NFL could take a game 0:41:26.160 --> 0:41:28.080 that was zero zero make it look like the greatest 0:41:28.080 --> 0:41:31.200 game ever played, just with the camera angles, the great voiceover, 0:41:31.239 --> 0:41:34.040 the god shots, and the Premier Lacrosse League is really 0:41:34.040 --> 0:41:35.520 ambinding a lot of that. They've got it like a 0:41:35.600 --> 0:41:38.760 just an amazing crew of social media people and people 0:41:38.760 --> 0:41:41.680 on the video production side that that really go out 0:41:41.680 --> 0:41:44.520 there and just honestly, every game you've got, so every 0:41:44.520 --> 0:41:47.120 team has like one to two people on the social 0:41:47.200 --> 0:41:49.440 video side, so you figure you put them all together, 0:41:49.760 --> 0:41:52.080 that's not sixteen people. You've got it every single game 0:41:52.440 --> 0:41:54.800 that are just there that love the sport, really building 0:41:54.880 --> 0:41:56.439 up a strong community. So I did the All Star 0:41:56.480 --> 0:41:57.799 Game with them. I'm like, yeah, I want to funk 0:41:57.840 --> 0:41:59.080 with you. I want to come, you know, like I 0:41:59.160 --> 0:42:01.480 come out to Philly for the Semize and check you 0:42:01.520 --> 0:42:03.040 all out there. So I got to go and actually 0:42:03.040 --> 0:42:05.080 see real games being played. All Star game was obviously 0:42:05.160 --> 0:42:07.239 kind of you know, dudes were having fun and you know, 0:42:07.320 --> 0:42:09.680 just just sucking around, but to see them in a 0:42:09.920 --> 0:42:12.319 high level game, high level competition, like these dudes really 0:42:12.320 --> 0:42:14.640 go at each other and you know the league is awesome. 0:42:14.680 --> 0:42:16.600 They let me get field level, let me get in 0:42:16.600 --> 0:42:18.719 the huddles like ship that we would never be able 0:42:18.760 --> 0:42:21.360 to get off in any other sport, but just to 0:42:21.360 --> 0:42:23.839 see the intensity the fire and also just you know 0:42:24.040 --> 0:42:25.840 the amount of black players in the league and the 0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:28.239 Black Across Alliance and what they're trying to do to 0:42:28.320 --> 0:42:30.640 strengthen the brawn the game. Yeah, you know, there's there's 0:42:30.680 --> 0:42:32.640 there's a there's a heavy contingent. That was the one 0:42:32.680 --> 0:42:34.480 thing I do with any sports that that I deal with. 0:42:34.560 --> 0:42:36.120 It's like, I need to know what your your black 0:42:36.160 --> 0:42:38.359 representation looks like. And those are the people that would 0:42:38.360 --> 0:42:40.319 love to elevate and amplifying edition to have the people 0:42:40.320 --> 0:42:42.360 in the league. But those are people I resonate with 0:42:42.400 --> 0:42:44.799 the most, so you know, let me sit down with them. 0:42:44.840 --> 0:42:46.520 So we've got to sit down with Miles and Jewels 0:42:46.840 --> 0:42:49.880 and romar Uh in San Jose and just talk to 0:42:49.920 --> 0:42:51.600 these guys. And it's just like, damn, these dudes are 0:42:51.600 --> 0:42:53.800 fucking legends, Like just cool, last dude. Everybody in the 0:42:53.880 --> 0:42:56.640 league is cool and really bracing of all cultures. I 0:42:56.719 --> 0:42:59.279 really appreciate the Rebel Brothers for let me even get 0:42:59.280 --> 0:43:00.960 the opportunity to out there and be a part of it. 0:43:01.000 --> 0:43:03.560 I hit up Paul Paul retired yesterday, hit him with 0:43:03.600 --> 0:43:05.000 the d M, just like, you know, I appreciate the 0:43:05.000 --> 0:43:07.319 opportunity here. He responded right back, like, you know, just 0:43:07.360 --> 0:43:09.520 thank you and everything you do. I know he's launch 0:43:09.560 --> 0:43:12.279 an initiative now to get you know, lacrosse goals and 0:43:12.520 --> 0:43:15.799 underserved communities across the country and really, you know, I 0:43:15.800 --> 0:43:17.839 think the sport is burgeoning. I think it really has 0:43:17.840 --> 0:43:21.760 the potential to be the next big American sport because 0:43:21.960 --> 0:43:25.200 it has all the fast paced, high scoring, has you know, 0:43:25.360 --> 0:43:27.800 the big hits, that has a nice juice and nice moves. 0:43:27.960 --> 0:43:30.080 It's basically, you know, it's like hockey on on on 0:43:30.080 --> 0:43:33.680 on the grass soccer field. But are committed to the sport. 0:43:33.760 --> 0:43:35.160 They love it, and you know, for me just to 0:43:35.160 --> 0:43:37.560 be a partner, I'm super appreciative. Yeah. I love to 0:43:37.600 --> 0:43:40.440 see some you know, inner city partnerships or initiatives with 0:43:40.560 --> 0:43:43.440 kids in the inner city to make you know, equipment 0:43:43.480 --> 0:43:45.920 more affordable. I would think one of the big challenges 0:43:45.920 --> 0:43:48.200 with the sport like lacrosse, which is you know, reputation 0:43:48.239 --> 0:43:51.160 to be East Coast base kind of preppy, you know, 0:43:51.280 --> 0:43:54.239 high exacuty league sport. If we can get some affordable 0:43:54.239 --> 0:43:56.600 gloves and the helmet and all that and all that. 0:43:56.680 --> 0:43:58.960 You know, I think that that's that's ninety of it. 0:43:59.000 --> 0:44:01.600 You know, it's just getting enough equipment for all these kids. Dog, 0:44:01.640 --> 0:44:03.600 you know how that go. You know, the equipment is 0:44:03.640 --> 0:44:05.800 if you get some cross in the hood, I promise 0:44:05.840 --> 0:44:07.799 you in the next five or ten years. Because also 0:44:07.920 --> 0:44:10.040 just a ship from football, it's not it's not as 0:44:10.080 --> 0:44:11.920 dangerous of sport were talking about the ct and all 0:44:11.920 --> 0:44:13.239 that other type of ship, but has a lot of 0:44:13.239 --> 0:44:15.399 the same principles in it. What God trying to shake 0:44:15.440 --> 0:44:17.600 each other and shake defenders and get buckets on, you know, 0:44:17.960 --> 0:44:20.120 score goals. There there's a potential that I feel like, 0:44:20.160 --> 0:44:21.560 you know, it's another sport that we can just take 0:44:21.600 --> 0:44:25.359 over and dominate if given given the right access. Yeah. Absolutely, 0:44:25.560 --> 0:44:27.640 And what's your experience? And I wanted to touch on 0:44:27.680 --> 0:44:29.840 this because you you have experience at the NFL network. 0:44:29.840 --> 0:44:34.160 You're pretty experienced in the league. Um, I've read somewhere 0:44:34.200 --> 0:44:38.200 where the NFL had this like racial norming thing that 0:44:38.239 --> 0:44:42.560 they were doing when taking into account uh former players 0:44:42.640 --> 0:44:45.759 CTE can custious. Do you are you aware of that 0:44:45.760 --> 0:44:47.680 that what's going on? With that situation. What is your 0:44:47.719 --> 0:44:51.520 thoughts on how the NFL operates from a business perspective 0:44:51.560 --> 0:44:53.919 like that. Well, you know, I'm never wanting to funk 0:44:53.960 --> 0:44:55.680 up my bags, and obviously I got a lot of 0:44:55.719 --> 0:44:57.440 a lot of great friends at the NFL and NFL 0:44:57.480 --> 0:44:59.120 Network and I worked there for the better part of 0:44:59.160 --> 0:45:01.719 ten years. But to see the type of situations that 0:45:01.719 --> 0:45:04.640 are going, it's extremely frustrating. I think they initially dropped 0:45:04.640 --> 0:45:06.919 that one up like that are called like super Bowl. 0:45:06.960 --> 0:45:08.959 We've been buried it, you know, you know, nobody really 0:45:09.280 --> 0:45:12.080 heard about it. Then it resurfaced a few months later 0:45:12.440 --> 0:45:15.080 when they're talking about how blatantly discriminatory they were. So 0:45:15.160 --> 0:45:17.359 not only do you knowledge that you have CT how 0:45:17.360 --> 0:45:19.400 fun up a situation is that you set aside a 0:45:19.400 --> 0:45:21.560 fund for guys to get the help they need. And Chris, 0:45:21.560 --> 0:45:23.160 I'll just tell you real quicker story. So I was 0:45:23.200 --> 0:45:25.920 working in the NFL is probably like two thousand seven, 0:45:26.040 --> 0:45:27.640 two thousand and eight, there was Super Bowl in Miami, 0:45:27.719 --> 0:45:31.080 whatever year that was. So, you know, like the NFL, 0:45:31.120 --> 0:45:33.239 the NFL network was always a hierarchy. So obviously the 0:45:33.320 --> 0:45:36.439 upper level exacts and like the premium talent, they stayed 0:45:36.480 --> 0:45:39.080 in South Beach. We stayed across the bridge, like right 0:45:39.120 --> 0:45:41.800 near the airport. Um, and I'll never forget this. You 0:45:41.880 --> 0:45:43.919 got the glitz and glamorous South Beach, all these super 0:45:43.960 --> 0:45:46.239 Bowl parties, just all the amazing ship going on. We're 0:45:46.239 --> 0:45:48.840 really staying on like a Marriott right near the airport, 0:45:49.360 --> 0:45:52.279 and all the former guys have whatever, Like the t 0:45:52.400 --> 0:45:54.840 g I version, Friday's version of the restaurant is in 0:45:54.880 --> 0:45:58.359 the restaurant hotel. All these former guys come through like 0:45:58.400 --> 0:46:01.040 fucking Earl Campbell, dig Bucket, like just all these and 0:46:01.080 --> 0:46:03.600 these dudes are struggling to walk and fucking it, I'm 0:46:03.680 --> 0:46:05.239 going over there. I'm just getting like, got some food 0:46:05.320 --> 0:46:07.319 to go real quick, and kind of stumbled on like 0:46:07.360 --> 0:46:09.719 the former player reunion, And just see the way those 0:46:09.719 --> 0:46:12.560 guys were treated, the guys that literally laid the foundation 0:46:12.600 --> 0:46:15.200 for God to get these multimillion dollar contract ship broke 0:46:15.280 --> 0:46:16.960 my heart. Man. I remember just looking at that ship, 0:46:17.080 --> 0:46:19.960 and I was probably like four at the time, not 0:46:20.040 --> 0:46:22.520 really understanding what was going on. But now that's take 0:46:22.560 --> 0:46:24.319 a look back on it. So to see the way 0:46:24.320 --> 0:46:27.480 the league is treating players that literally sacrificed so much, 0:46:27.480 --> 0:46:30.160 players that grew up in this toxic masculinity culture where 0:46:30.400 --> 0:46:31.799 you know that's not a can cuss your head just hurts, 0:46:31.840 --> 0:46:33.279 Rub some ice on and go back out there and 0:46:33.320 --> 0:46:36.000 fucking get us to win. That's the only thing that matters. Hey, 0:46:36.120 --> 0:46:38.520 entertain these fans, that's the only thing that matters. So 0:46:38.560 --> 0:46:41.319 to see these guys now getting mistreated like that, I 0:46:41.360 --> 0:46:44.120 think the thing was like they treated black players mental 0:46:44.160 --> 0:46:46.320 capacity at a lower level than than white players, and 0:46:46.360 --> 0:46:48.440 that was a part of the initial baseline test going in. 0:46:49.200 --> 0:46:50.560 And to see this type of ship happened in the 0:46:50.600 --> 0:46:52.160 league and now I's like, oh, yeah, we sucked up, 0:46:52.440 --> 0:46:54.560 and believe me, nobody's perfect. But to see the way 0:46:54.560 --> 0:46:56.759 that the players are treated, and that's not even in 0:46:56.760 --> 0:46:59.719 the NFL, like across sports, it's like these guys laid 0:46:59.719 --> 0:47:01.719 to found dation. I think that's even indicative of us 0:47:01.719 --> 0:47:03.600 as society. We don't take care of our old. We 0:47:03.719 --> 0:47:06.120 kind of just capt him aside. And that's something. Not 0:47:06.200 --> 0:47:09.680 to bring it back to this rona pandemic, the coronavirus pandemic, 0:47:09.719 --> 0:47:12.759 but something that's been so blatany like pissed me off. 0:47:12.800 --> 0:47:15.719 It is like are old people are at risk? They're 0:47:15.719 --> 0:47:17.960 they're the they're the target, you know, sixty five and older, 0:47:18.160 --> 0:47:19.840 and we don't even have enough love and respect for 0:47:19.880 --> 0:47:21.720 them to just fucking wear a mask and do simple 0:47:21.719 --> 0:47:23.680 ship like we'd rather go out of our way. Hey 0:47:23.680 --> 0:47:25.840 you're old, just stay your ass at home instead of, 0:47:25.880 --> 0:47:28.160 you know, just caring about our common man. So when 0:47:28.160 --> 0:47:30.040 I saw the ship going with the NFL, and honestly, 0:47:30.080 --> 0:47:31.759 it was extremely disappointed. Like I said, I got a 0:47:31.840 --> 0:47:33.480 ton of friends there, a ton of people that I 0:47:33.560 --> 0:47:35.680 rock with in respect, but there comes a point when 0:47:35.680 --> 0:47:38.080 when this bullshit needs to get exposed. And even stuff 0:47:38.080 --> 0:47:41.160 as simple as Colin being black Ball for five seasons, 0:47:41.360 --> 0:47:42.719 you're tell me he's not good enough to be on 0:47:42.719 --> 0:47:44.960 a roster With all the other ship going on. We've 0:47:44.960 --> 0:47:47.799 seen guys fucking literally murderers and fucking all type. You know, 0:47:47.960 --> 0:47:49.680 talk about Aaron Hernan as the ship going on. All 0:47:49.719 --> 0:47:51.759 that's good to go because hey, they can perform. We've 0:47:51.760 --> 0:47:54.160 seen Antonio Brown and a lot of stuff he's done. Well, 0:47:54.200 --> 0:47:56.759 hey he's good, so who cares. But it's like, what 0:47:56.840 --> 0:47:59.200 did Colin actually do? Like I mean, it should have 0:47:59.239 --> 0:48:01.279 been out there punching him in, Like would you like 0:48:01.360 --> 0:48:02.640 him more if he was rolling around with like a 0:48:02.680 --> 0:48:05.400 stockpile of guns, like, you know, threatening people. Would you 0:48:05.440 --> 0:48:07.400 prefer him to get a d y and hit somebody 0:48:07.400 --> 0:48:09.279 and you can't? I mean, it's just like what what 0:48:09.560 --> 0:48:11.960 are you ultimately mad at that this black man who 0:48:12.080 --> 0:48:14.800 was successful wanted to use this platform to raise awareness 0:48:14.800 --> 0:48:17.640 and attention to the sugar on That's what you're That's 0:48:17.640 --> 0:48:19.600 what that was like, Oh, we can't have him in 0:48:19.640 --> 0:48:23.320 this league. Yeah, anytime any time you speak out against 0:48:23.840 --> 0:48:28.000 law enforcement, military, I feel like, as an athlete in 0:48:28.000 --> 0:48:31.680 this country, you're gonna wade in some controversial waters. You've 0:48:31.719 --> 0:48:34.640 seen it throughout our history. Muhammad A Live is a 0:48:34.640 --> 0:48:37.600 great example of how. You know, he speaks out against 0:48:37.600 --> 0:48:40.239 the war against Vietnam. You know, ain't no Vietcong. They 0:48:40.280 --> 0:48:43.080 were called me the inn word, refused to go, and 0:48:43.160 --> 0:48:46.840 now he's ostracized by mainstream America. It's so funny to 0:48:46.880 --> 0:48:51.600 see Muhammad Ali's just how people talked about him close 0:48:51.680 --> 0:48:54.120 to his death, and he was revered. But if you 0:48:54.120 --> 0:48:55.719 you know a lot of people that were around back then, 0:48:55.800 --> 0:48:57.640 remember what time it was. I got a feeling that 0:48:58.120 --> 0:49:00.080 same thing is gonna happen with a Colin captant. What 0:49:00.280 --> 0:49:02.040 I do think it's it's one of those things. Shut 0:49:02.120 --> 0:49:05.520 up and dribble. Athletes are to be seen and to 0:49:05.640 --> 0:49:07.880 perform and not hurt. I really think it has to 0:49:07.920 --> 0:49:11.560 do with that, my guy. But the crazy part about it, 0:49:11.560 --> 0:49:14.799 just quickly is that everything was always he's anti he's 0:49:14.800 --> 0:49:18.040 anti Miller, carry, he's anti veters. Literally, Nate Bowyer green Beret, 0:49:18.680 --> 0:49:21.160 is the one who told Colin to do this peaceful protests. 0:49:21.600 --> 0:49:23.400 And that's and this is like when you look at 0:49:23.400 --> 0:49:25.600 the history and it's like, just look at the simple facts. 0:49:25.920 --> 0:49:29.440 A white green beret, white former green beret told Colin 0:49:29.520 --> 0:49:31.839 this would this would be appropriate way to to voice 0:49:31.880 --> 0:49:34.600 your grievments in your protests. And now that got fun too. 0:49:34.600 --> 0:49:36.440 You don't care about the veterans, Like Chris, I live 0:49:36.480 --> 0:49:38.719 in Los Angeles. I was driving down Savicinti the other 0:49:38.800 --> 0:49:41.279 day near the v A. What are we talking about? 0:49:41.320 --> 0:49:43.280 We don't care about sucking veterans. You so many homeless 0:49:43.320 --> 0:49:46.359 encampments there are across the city of former veterans who 0:49:46.360 --> 0:49:48.600 are just spit out and shipped on by this country. 0:49:48.600 --> 0:49:51.440 And but now because Colin, Kaepernick and Cap put up 0:49:51.440 --> 0:49:55.040 like a million dollars, are very charitable endeavors when it 0:49:55.160 --> 0:49:57.640 first happened, and it was like, oh, well that's not enough. 0:49:57.680 --> 0:49:59.279 It's I'm afraid you don't put up money for ship. 0:49:59.400 --> 0:50:01.160 And you're trying to tell me a million dollars anybody 0:50:01.239 --> 0:50:03.839 putting up a million for anything? Oh well he makes 0:50:04.000 --> 0:50:05.840 x amount and that's this is the ship. And I 0:50:05.920 --> 0:50:07.840 see it happened with Lebron, I see it have with staff. 0:50:07.840 --> 0:50:09.719 I see it having with so many guys when they 0:50:09.719 --> 0:50:12.920 try to use their platform is basically shut up nigger entertainment. 0:50:13.200 --> 0:50:14.520 I don't want to hear what you have to say 0:50:14.560 --> 0:50:16.920 about anything other than put that basketball in the basket, 0:50:17.080 --> 0:50:19.960 throw that football, help me win my fantasy league. Like 0:50:19.960 --> 0:50:22.440 I don't give a funk about your personal opinions about anything. 0:50:22.719 --> 0:50:25.160 And that ship is honestly to me is I've gotten older. 0:50:25.480 --> 0:50:27.880 It's like this is embarrassing, dog, Like this is you 0:50:27.880 --> 0:50:29.200 know what I mean. I see it the same thing 0:50:29.440 --> 0:50:32.040 in the business side and in the corporate culture, where 0:50:32.040 --> 0:50:34.240 oh you know, we just can't find talent to black people, 0:50:34.280 --> 0:50:36.160 like are you looking? And where are you looking? Because 0:50:36.160 --> 0:50:38.120 I can rattle off thirty to forty to fifty times 0:50:38.160 --> 0:50:40.160 of black people right now who can easily come in 0:50:40.200 --> 0:50:42.920 and smash other people's jobs. But they don't want to change, 0:50:42.960 --> 0:50:46.680 like they rather just put up the black square on Instagram, 0:50:46.800 --> 0:50:50.120 do something special during fucking black hairstry month. Oh hey, 0:50:51.280 --> 0:50:52.960 half off on hot sauce without you know what I 0:50:53.000 --> 0:50:55.319 mean that that's how they want to operate. So you know, 0:50:55.360 --> 0:50:58.360 the game is the game. Joe. When I when I 0:50:58.400 --> 0:51:00.600 listened to you talk, man, I have one thing I 0:51:00.640 --> 0:51:05.160 want I wanted to ask you. It's like, who do 0:51:05.239 --> 0:51:10.120 you envision playing the role of Josiah Johnson in your 0:51:10.200 --> 0:51:12.799 life story if you had a chance, Like who who 0:51:12.840 --> 0:51:16.759 would be the perfect actor to play Joe at this 0:51:17.600 --> 0:51:20.920 in a movie about you? I mean, if Brian Gumble 0:51:21.000 --> 0:51:23.520 or grand Gumble has any children, That's probably been the 0:51:27.440 --> 0:51:31.480 most ideal option. I'm trying to think, because you know, 0:51:31.560 --> 0:51:33.080 I mean, I was, I was, I was plumping my 0:51:33.160 --> 0:51:35.040 younger life. So really, it's gotta be somebody who could 0:51:35.040 --> 0:51:36.759 who could throw around weight, like you know, we could 0:51:36.760 --> 0:51:40.120 make an around over Thanksgiving and put on fifteen pounds 0:51:40.280 --> 0:51:42.280 and then over the course the next three months drop fifty. 0:51:42.320 --> 0:51:43.920 You know, you know that that's how we kind of 0:51:43.920 --> 0:51:45.960 get down. So it's somebody who who could be really 0:51:46.040 --> 0:51:49.200 nimble on that side. But uh, Ship, I don't know, 0:51:50.480 --> 0:51:54.600 maybe Brian Gumble, I'm trying to think, Uh, Kennedy Meeks, 0:51:54.640 --> 0:52:02.920 maybe I forget. Uh, I could always hear me with 0:52:03.040 --> 0:52:05.000 fucking you know, just send me photos of people that 0:52:05.080 --> 0:52:08.400 looked like me. I know, I saw somebody at a 0:52:09.000 --> 0:52:11.520 JORDI had a volleyball practice over at Merrymountain. There was 0:52:11.520 --> 0:52:13.960 a guy there. He looked just it reminded me of 0:52:14.040 --> 0:52:15.759 me so much. I took pictures of I'll said him, 0:52:16.040 --> 0:52:17.239 but this is like a couple of years ago, but 0:52:17.280 --> 0:52:18.880 I do it too, Like I'll see a guy that 0:52:18.920 --> 0:52:20.920 revised me a year. I like Stafford shot because I 0:52:21.000 --> 0:52:26.200 know later on I'm gonna show you, buddy man. Uh Man, 0:52:26.239 --> 0:52:28.439 this conversation has been rivety. Man. I'm gonna talk about 0:52:28.480 --> 0:52:31.880 though kind of you know as we close it up, Uh, 0:52:32.040 --> 0:52:37.760 your experiences or memorable stories interactions with the late great 0:52:37.840 --> 0:52:41.879 Kobe Bryant. So you know, obviously, and this is ship. 0:52:42.040 --> 0:52:44.320 I look back on it and really really regret and 0:52:45.280 --> 0:52:46.960 it drives me just to be a better human being 0:52:47.000 --> 0:52:49.160 every day. But coming up being a Lebron fan, we 0:52:49.239 --> 0:52:51.440 used to really go at Kobe fans like it was. 0:52:51.880 --> 0:52:54.279 You know, there was nasty stood on both sides, a 0:52:54.320 --> 0:52:56.200 lot of hey, a lot of it are all and 0:52:56.280 --> 0:52:58.359 you know how much these two dudes loved each other, 0:52:58.440 --> 0:53:01.040 rock with each other. You know, every year on Kobe's birthday, 0:53:01.080 --> 0:53:03.799 I posted a clip with Lebron singing Kobe Happy Birthday, 0:53:04.080 --> 0:53:06.480 just as a reminder that these dudes really really funk 0:53:06.560 --> 0:53:08.880 with each other heavy and really elevated the game. And 0:53:09.440 --> 0:53:11.719 I'm so thankful that. You know, when Lebron decided to 0:53:11.719 --> 0:53:13.560 come to the Laker in the eighteen that was a 0:53:13.680 --> 0:53:15.879 you know, a siminar moment for all of us. Let's 0:53:15.880 --> 0:53:18.200 put our egos, put our differences the side, Lebron's on 0:53:18.239 --> 0:53:20.800 the Lakers. Now we're we're rocking. Like any you know, 0:53:20.960 --> 0:53:23.200 I tweeted about this a few times, but any Kobe slander, 0:53:23.239 --> 0:53:25.160 any negative or anything I've done in the past, that's 0:53:25.160 --> 0:53:28.720 just all done like nothing but respect for Kobe, his family, 0:53:29.320 --> 0:53:32.239 this Lakers organization. And it's funny, man. When Lebron first came, 0:53:32.600 --> 0:53:34.160 everybody was like, you know, you had a lot of 0:53:34.200 --> 0:53:35.799 Laker fans that have supported the move, but a lot 0:53:35.800 --> 0:53:36.920 of them were like, I mean, he just want to 0:53:36.920 --> 0:53:39.560 be an actor. He's gonna disrespect the Purple and go 0:53:39.719 --> 0:53:41.120 he don't really want to be here. You don't care 0:53:41.160 --> 0:53:43.680 about this, you don't care about that. Fast forward to 0:53:43.719 --> 0:53:48.520 the year, Our Lord, two thousand, twenty October. In the Bubble, Lebron, 0:53:48.680 --> 0:53:50.640 you know, helps lead the Lakers are championship, gets that 0:53:50.680 --> 0:53:53.640 Finals MVP, obviously after Kobe had passed away in January, 0:53:53.640 --> 0:53:56.120 and even that that moment to know that, you know, 0:53:56.239 --> 0:53:59.000 hours before Kobe passed, he's literally on the phone with 0:53:59.120 --> 0:54:01.120 Lebron and some of the guy on the plane congratulating 0:54:01.200 --> 0:54:03.640 Lebron for passing him, you know, on the all time 0:54:03.680 --> 0:54:06.640 scoring list, and literally Kobe's last tweet is a salute 0:54:06.640 --> 0:54:09.040 to Lebron. I mean that's just for me, you know, 0:54:09.040 --> 0:54:11.319 I still cry about that ship to this day and 0:54:11.400 --> 0:54:13.040 just think about how can I be a better person, 0:54:13.080 --> 0:54:14.360 How can I not get caught up in any of 0:54:14.360 --> 0:54:16.640 this bullshit? And even like you know, I'll joke around 0:54:16.680 --> 0:54:18.920 with the m J debates and things like that just 0:54:18.960 --> 0:54:20.800 to piss off Jordan Fancs. I know they're older and 0:54:20.840 --> 0:54:23.560 they could take it, but you know, when you look 0:54:23.560 --> 0:54:26.680 at these guys in their contribution to the game, Kobe, Lebron, 0:54:26.760 --> 0:54:28.839 and how much. They just loved each other, revered each other. 0:54:28.880 --> 0:54:30.719 It really helped me to become a better person. Man. 0:54:30.760 --> 0:54:33.080 I think about Kobe pretty often, and for me, the 0:54:33.160 --> 0:54:36.120 highlight of just you know, seeing Kobe and this is funny. 0:54:36.160 --> 0:54:37.640 I was a Kobe hater at this point. But back 0:54:37.680 --> 0:54:40.919 in two thousand and eleven Drew League, you know, during 0:54:40.960 --> 0:54:44.000 the lockout, get a call from our dad, Marcus Johnson. 0:54:44.520 --> 0:54:46.760 Dad hits me like, YO, come through the Drew League. 0:54:47.200 --> 0:54:49.120 It's probably like ten am whatever. Come through the Jew 0:54:49.200 --> 0:54:51.160 League today. You know, Kobe is supposed to come through, 0:54:51.440 --> 0:54:52.879 and I'm being an ass. I'm like that, I don't 0:54:52.920 --> 0:54:54.600 really give a funk, like you know, I'm trying to 0:54:54.640 --> 0:54:57.560 be cool, sweet guy, like, uh, I'm a Lebron fan. 0:54:57.600 --> 0:55:00.560 I ain't going It's funny. I think I him my buddy, 0:55:00.560 --> 0:55:03.000 Marcus Miles Ludy. Marcus spells his name the same way 0:55:03.000 --> 0:55:05.480 as Dad. He was named after Dad, you know, the legend. 0:55:06.000 --> 0:55:07.800 Hit up Marcus like, YO, make you go shoot this 0:55:07.880 --> 0:55:09.560 Kobe game. He's like, no, man, I can't do it. 0:55:09.800 --> 0:55:11.439 I'm like fuck it. I'll find I'll go up there. 0:55:11.960 --> 0:55:15.360 But go up there and just the energy, the atmosphere 0:55:15.400 --> 0:55:17.360 they were playing at Washington Park still at that point, 0:55:18.280 --> 0:55:20.640 you know, James Harden was there, DeMar de Rose and 0:55:20.719 --> 0:55:23.839 just like the young crew of guys Market Banks, other 0:55:23.920 --> 0:55:25.640 dudes at Davis I believe was out there as well. 0:55:26.080 --> 0:55:28.719 That that came out. Everybody pulled up to get this 0:55:28.760 --> 0:55:30.640 moment to go at Kobe and anybody who's been in 0:55:30.680 --> 0:55:33.400 the Drew League, especially in those Washington Park days. This 0:55:33.520 --> 0:55:35.680 is not like a traditional game. You got all types 0:55:35.719 --> 0:55:37.960 of fan fans on the court. You had dudes holding babies, 0:55:38.320 --> 0:55:42.120 talking shit. You know, I'm interviewing people for the game, 0:55:42.200 --> 0:55:44.160 like y'all excited to see Kobe, Like, no, we're here 0:55:44.160 --> 0:55:46.040 to see Casper Ware and casp where he played a 0:55:46.040 --> 0:55:48.080 long beach State believe was the m VP of the league. 0:55:48.120 --> 0:55:51.120 That you're a bucket getter, but they have their hometown heroes. 0:55:51.360 --> 0:55:54.720 They're like, what we're fucking tripping off Kobe. Kobe pulls 0:55:54.800 --> 0:55:58.239 up though, ho Jim fan boys just you know, I'm 0:55:58.280 --> 0:56:01.000 just just to see him in real life again. I'm 0:56:01.000 --> 0:56:02.759 moving freely with the camera to the point like the 0:56:02.800 --> 0:56:04.239 Sheriff's come over and be like, yo, you gotta give 0:56:04.320 --> 0:56:06.800 Kobe a little space because I'm on the grills, getting 0:56:06.800 --> 0:56:08.680 the angles. You know, I'm really gonna get them angles 0:56:08.680 --> 0:56:11.640 and get them get that good b row. Yeah, to 0:56:11.680 --> 0:56:13.880 see Kobe go out there. James Harden was young at 0:56:13.880 --> 0:56:16.120 this point, but Harden going at Kobe. They're just going 0:56:16.160 --> 0:56:18.400 back and forth. And the thing I'll never forget about 0:56:18.400 --> 0:56:20.680 that game. You know, Kobe came out, he knew, he 0:56:20.760 --> 0:56:22.600 knew what it was because Kobe played in the Rugger 0:56:22.600 --> 0:56:24.680 before he played the other spots. He knew what he 0:56:24.680 --> 0:56:27.239 had to do. His squads down like eight points with 0:56:27.440 --> 0:56:30.760 like two minutes ago. It's like there's no way, especially 0:56:30.760 --> 0:56:32.440 the style in the way that they're playing, Like the 0:56:32.440 --> 0:56:34.080 game has evolved at that point. Lay in the fourth 0:56:34.160 --> 0:56:36.640 quarter to just kind of all Star game Demark doing 0:56:36.680 --> 0:56:39.640 three sixties without you know, guys just sucking around. Cops 0:56:39.680 --> 0:56:41.960 come over to Kobe, like, Coby want to want to 0:56:41.960 --> 0:56:43.840 get you out now, you know, the crowd's gonna be 0:56:43.840 --> 0:56:46.000 a circus. You know, let's get you to the car. 0:56:46.080 --> 0:56:48.080 We'll get you out. Kobe looks at the scoreboard like 0:56:48.120 --> 0:56:50.200 what the game ain't over? Like literally, like you know, 0:56:50.280 --> 0:56:52.120 he's about to slap the ship out of police officers 0:56:52.480 --> 0:56:54.880 just for having happening, having the goal, like, are you 0:56:55.239 --> 0:56:58.680 kidding me? And I think that little the little fire 0:56:58.760 --> 0:57:01.359 Kobe's asked, like what, like you think about to lose 0:57:01.400 --> 0:57:04.759 this ship? So Kobe obviously engineers to come back. He 0:57:04.800 --> 0:57:06.920 gets the ball in the final possession going that harden, 0:57:06.920 --> 0:57:08.680 and I'm just sitting there. I'm sweating at this point 0:57:08.680 --> 0:57:10.759 because like, you know what's gonna happen, you know, And 0:57:10.760 --> 0:57:13.440 I'm just thinking about the historical perspective of it, just 0:57:13.520 --> 0:57:15.719 this moment and to actually be here in this gym 0:57:15.760 --> 0:57:19.360 in southern California on this day, just to witness this fucking, 0:57:19.400 --> 0:57:22.920 you know moment in basketball laur in history. Kobe knocks 0:57:22.960 --> 0:57:25.320 down the fucking game, win her. Whole crowd goes nuts. 0:57:25.640 --> 0:57:27.840 And then after that moment, this is like two thousand twelve. 0:57:28.240 --> 0:57:30.360 So I've got the pan Assignic camera and I've got 0:57:30.360 --> 0:57:32.600 to transfer the footage over, but I'm missing a chord 0:57:33.080 --> 0:57:35.000 because I'm like, I'm just gonna shoot the ship. I'll 0:57:35.120 --> 0:57:38.200 edit it another point. I'm missing a chord. After that point, 0:57:38.200 --> 0:57:40.440 I'm fucking frankly calling on the homies, like who can 0:57:40.480 --> 0:57:42.840 I go pull up to? So call my buddy Nolan Martin, 0:57:42.840 --> 0:57:45.560 who actually worked at k t l A in the 0:57:45.560 --> 0:57:47.760 news room at that point, Joe my ass over to 0:57:47.840 --> 0:57:49.800 kt l A and Hollywood was able to transfer the 0:57:49.840 --> 0:57:52.280 footage over, get the clip out, and kind of the 0:57:52.320 --> 0:57:54.200 rest is history in terms of the Drew League. The 0:57:54.240 --> 0:57:55.760 next week, I think they went and play it against 0:57:55.760 --> 0:57:57.680 the good Men in d C and kind of just 0:57:57.720 --> 0:57:59.720 spawned that. But you know, we grew up in l A. 0:57:59.760 --> 0:58:01.480 And this time I always have to tell people, like 0:58:01.560 --> 0:58:09.280 the Drew, the Drew is um hold on a second, yeah, okay, 0:58:09.680 --> 0:58:11.920 Like the Drew at that point, you know, wasn't the 0:58:12.000 --> 0:58:14.560 league that people know of now, Like you know, the 0:58:14.640 --> 0:58:16.880 Joe Weekly League was the premier league back in the 0:58:16.920 --> 0:58:19.360 day for all the pros and god the playoffs, Joe Weekly, Patrick, 0:58:19.400 --> 0:58:22.800 the Trashes tragically passes away, and you know, the Drew 0:58:22.840 --> 0:58:24.480 is kind of the last league standing at that point. 0:58:24.520 --> 0:58:26.280 In addition to the Real Run, which obviously had one 0:58:26.320 --> 0:58:28.880 of the greatest moments. And you know in the history 0:58:28.880 --> 0:58:30.400 of basketball, they were getting off back in the day, 0:58:30.400 --> 0:58:32.840 shot off at the Anthony. But now the Drews basically 0:58:32.840 --> 0:58:36.000 transformed to the premier basketball league. Everybody from all over 0:58:36.000 --> 0:58:37.480 the country, all over the world tries to come out 0:58:37.480 --> 0:58:38.760 here and get it. So just to see the way 0:58:38.800 --> 0:58:41.360 Dino and that crew has been able to elevate that 0:58:41.440 --> 0:58:43.400 league and obviously stepped up into the moment because a 0:58:43.400 --> 0:58:45.200 lot of people wouldn't been able to handle that. And 0:58:45.240 --> 0:58:47.440 the league just continued to grow. And shout out to 0:58:47.520 --> 0:58:49.560 Nate Jones and Camon and a lot of crew working 0:58:49.600 --> 0:58:51.840 on the digital side behind the scenes, all the people 0:58:51.840 --> 0:58:54.160 are Nike to really elevate and grow this league and 0:58:54.160 --> 0:58:57.360 do something just tremendous for the community. But really, Lebron 0:58:57.520 --> 0:59:00.240 came that summer, k d came that summer, but Abe 0:59:00.520 --> 0:59:02.760 coming that summer put the Drew League on the map 0:59:03.360 --> 0:59:05.760 and putting on a trajectory now where it's still the 0:59:05.800 --> 0:59:09.040 premier league in the summertime. Yeah, I'll tell you, man, 0:59:09.440 --> 0:59:12.120 when when we talk about Kobe, Man, it's fascinating. When 0:59:12.120 --> 0:59:15.000 I talked to everyone and I asked him this question. 0:59:15.040 --> 0:59:17.640 I've asked, you know, fifty sixty people over the last 0:59:17.640 --> 0:59:20.040 five months just their feelings and thoughts on Kobe, and 0:59:20.400 --> 0:59:25.480 overwhelmingly the sentiment has been um a lot about a 0:59:25.520 --> 0:59:27.200 lot of stories that you didn't hear, a lot of 0:59:27.200 --> 0:59:29.320 things that you don't see, a lot of stuff that 0:59:29.360 --> 0:59:32.560 happens behind the scenes. Mark Spears talked to me yesterday 0:59:33.080 --> 0:59:36.440 about how Kobe was congratulating Mark on his new position 0:59:36.440 --> 0:59:38.440 when he started joining The Undefeated. But it was on 0:59:38.520 --> 0:59:42.240 Kobe's jersey retirement night, and Kobe had the you know, 0:59:42.520 --> 0:59:45.160 the awareness to be like Mark, congratulations on your new gig, 0:59:45.200 --> 0:59:47.720 you know, in the tunnel, and Marks like, man, you 0:59:47.760 --> 0:59:50.040 know you did two charges in the rafters, and this 0:59:50.160 --> 0:59:53.240 dude is congratulating me. But Monty Jones talked about how 0:59:53.320 --> 0:59:56.480 at the charity game that they played after Katrina, and 0:59:56.480 --> 0:59:57.560 I don't know if you remember that, but it was 0:59:57.600 --> 0:59:59.360 on T and T. It was like but Monty's first gig. 0:59:59.400 --> 1:00:02.920 But Kobe just made life for him very easy. On 1:00:02.960 --> 1:00:05.600 the interview, he was intimidating, He was a little nervous, 1:00:05.640 --> 1:00:09.040 and this and that. Do you have like did you 1:00:09.320 --> 1:00:11.560 were you I'm trying to remember because I know we 1:00:11.600 --> 1:00:13.959 have basketball stuff with Kobe, but did you have any 1:00:14.040 --> 1:00:18.680 other kind of personal interactions with Kobe that we haven't 1:00:18.680 --> 1:00:21.560 talked about before that I don't know about, I mean, 1:00:21.600 --> 1:00:23.240 other than the only thing I think of it to 1:00:23.320 --> 1:00:25.760 your point, just how gracial, humble he was after that game. 1:00:25.800 --> 1:00:27.680 Everybody in the locker room. Again it's the Drew League, 1:00:27.720 --> 1:00:30.200 so you know, traditional things like that, and like no, 1:00:30.400 --> 1:00:31.920 I won't give a funk, Cooby, give me this, let 1:00:31.920 --> 1:00:34.280 me take a pick, come do this, but that wanted 1:00:34.320 --> 1:00:36.840 to grab a picture with him, so Kobe, you know, 1:00:37.000 --> 1:00:38.880 just come on, yeah, come on, yeah, come on, the 1:00:38.920 --> 1:00:42.280 old legend, you know. But him seeing Dad and you 1:00:42.320 --> 1:00:44.720 know Dad, Dad is a legend. But Dad feels like, 1:00:44.760 --> 1:00:48.400 you know, people don't recognize. And remember I got Dad 1:00:48.480 --> 1:00:50.680 on camera trying to you know, he's kind of edging 1:00:50.680 --> 1:00:52.960 his way over to Kobe. We're trying to still be sweet. 1:00:52.960 --> 1:00:54.960 But Kobe sees him right away, what's up? Oh g 1:00:55.280 --> 1:00:57.560 just gives him love. And for me it was like, 1:00:57.600 --> 1:00:59.360 you know, I touched my heart because you know, just 1:00:59.360 --> 1:01:01.640 just knowing that the respect that Kobe had for the 1:01:01.640 --> 1:01:03.600 game man. But you know, seeing him play against you 1:01:03.760 --> 1:01:05.360 U c l A back in the days, coming as 1:01:05.360 --> 1:01:07.919 like a seventeen eighteen year old and knowing you didn't 1:01:07.960 --> 1:01:10.160 really give a funk, like you know, you were punky 1:01:10.200 --> 1:01:12.320 dudes at the men's gym. That was just it doesn't 1:01:12.320 --> 1:01:14.800 matter of Paul Hears whoever, the funk's coming through there. 1:01:15.200 --> 1:01:16.880 You know, I don't care. I'm giving you buckets. I'm 1:01:16.920 --> 1:01:19.160 going at you. But to see the way Kobe wouldn't 1:01:19.200 --> 1:01:21.800 back down and at that moment, and that was always 1:01:21.800 --> 1:01:24.400 my barometer for Hooper's Like if Chris, can you know, 1:01:24.560 --> 1:01:26.960 not not fucking break them their spirits mentally, because I've 1:01:26.960 --> 1:01:29.160 seen you break a lot of Hooper spirits guys that 1:01:29.200 --> 1:01:31.480 you know, I wouldn't think that would get broken mentally 1:01:31.520 --> 1:01:33.520 like that. And this is a more testament to yourself 1:01:33.560 --> 1:01:35.720 as well. But when you would go ahead, dudes, because 1:01:35.720 --> 1:01:37.720 you didn't give a fun So when you go out 1:01:37.760 --> 1:01:39.480 doing no situation you have you said late, it's my 1:01:39.520 --> 1:01:41.120 home campus. I don't give a funk who you are 1:01:41.160 --> 1:01:43.360 do I'm trying to give you buckets and to just 1:01:43.400 --> 1:01:44.800 have that you know, it doesn't matter who it was. 1:01:44.800 --> 1:01:47.360 At the point where magic we have to step in, Yo, Chris, 1:01:49.160 --> 1:01:51.560 you have Magic Johnson trying to calm you down in 1:01:51.600 --> 1:01:54.040 the middle. But just people, don't you know, like these 1:01:54.040 --> 1:01:56.920 are normal situations that would happen in those games, like 1:01:56.960 --> 1:02:00.400 come on, Christian, you know, imagice fun your jobs to 1:02:00.440 --> 1:02:02.720 try to chill you out, but but to see you 1:02:02.800 --> 1:02:05.120 trying to really, you know, take Kobe's manhood and really 1:02:05.160 --> 1:02:07.520 punk him and Kobe not back down as a seventeen 1:02:07.560 --> 1:02:09.919 eighteen year old. For me, it's always just a moment 1:02:10.000 --> 1:02:11.919 where it's like, Yo, this dude is the real dude. 1:02:11.920 --> 1:02:13.320 I don't know how his career is gonna pan out, 1:02:13.720 --> 1:02:16.120 but I know if he can get past that heardle 1:02:16.120 --> 1:02:18.200 of deal because I haven't seen you. You have dudes 1:02:18.200 --> 1:02:20.160 who thought they were tougher ship and they leave that 1:02:20.280 --> 1:02:22.880 gym literally about to cry. You know, you see you 1:02:23.000 --> 1:02:25.480 see the bitch in their heart come out, you know, 1:02:25.680 --> 1:02:27.280 and it's like, damn, I thought this dude was tough 1:02:27.400 --> 1:02:31.960 like but but but but I was even shocked. And 1:02:32.040 --> 1:02:34.440 then in that moment, man, when he was looking at 1:02:34.520 --> 1:02:37.400 me because like you're saying, well, the situation happened, he 1:02:37.440 --> 1:02:40.120 had just tip dunked on me and kind of was 1:02:40.200 --> 1:02:42.280 looking at me. Dad was under the basket and ship 1:02:42.440 --> 1:02:44.720 and this is under the basket, Dad is just Kobe 1:02:44.800 --> 1:02:46.480 tip dunk's on me. I kind of look at that 1:02:46.920 --> 1:02:49.200 Dad kind of like like, you know, get get the side. 1:02:49.280 --> 1:02:51.680 I look, and then Kobe was kind of looking behind, 1:02:51.800 --> 1:02:53.760 like looking running back but looking I was like, oh, 1:02:53.880 --> 1:02:56.320 hell no, so you know, I just you know, immaturely. 1:02:56.360 --> 1:02:57.800 I would have run and fight. I would have do 1:02:57.840 --> 1:03:00.160 all this stuff. So as I'm running towards Kobe, all 1:03:00.240 --> 1:03:01.640 I see is Kobe right now. All of a sudden, 1:03:01.640 --> 1:03:04.320 I see Magic kind of slide into the picture. Chris 1:03:04.440 --> 1:03:06.960 hey Man. He laught my young boy, like, don't do nothing. 1:03:07.000 --> 1:03:09.439 So I run into Magic and I'm like swinging trying 1:03:09.480 --> 1:03:11.640 to get Kobe. So then that kind of happens, and 1:03:11.680 --> 1:03:13.760 I had a thing against him. Fast forward to my 1:03:13.840 --> 1:03:16.120 senior year though, I played in the Matthew Johnson Mid 1:03:16.200 --> 1:03:19.680 Summer nice classic. Guess who my coach was. Kobe Bryant. 1:03:20.200 --> 1:03:22.040 So I go in the game. He puts me in. 1:03:22.160 --> 1:03:23.760 I come in as a sub man. I had probably 1:03:23.800 --> 1:03:28.360 fourteen points and eight minutes, dog busting like three deep threes, 1:03:28.520 --> 1:03:30.280 you know, dudes trying to guardment. I was just turning 1:03:30.320 --> 1:03:32.800 the form out. It was like a time out. I'm 1:03:32.840 --> 1:03:34.480 down at the other end. There was like, you know, 1:03:34.560 --> 1:03:36.440 I think a free throw or something was happening. All 1:03:36.440 --> 1:03:38.240 of a sudden, I hear the whistle. He like gave 1:03:38.240 --> 1:03:40.680 me the whistle. What you know, look down It was Kobe. 1:03:41.120 --> 1:03:42.640 Kobe's looking He's on the bench, you know, in his 1:03:42.760 --> 1:03:45.120 coach with his fro with his suit. He's like, keep 1:03:45.160 --> 1:03:47.440 shooting that ship, boy, keep shooting that sh it. I 1:03:47.520 --> 1:03:49.720 was like, I was like, it was one of the 1:03:49.840 --> 1:03:52.760 greatest moments. It was one of the greatest because this 1:03:52.880 --> 1:03:55.040 is Frobe Kobe. So this is like Kobe won the 1:03:55.120 --> 1:03:57.880 duck contest and just he had just I think grew 1:03:57.920 --> 1:04:00.480 it out or just something happened, but he was killer 1:04:00.720 --> 1:04:02.880 and he and he was like, man, keep shooting that stuff. 1:04:03.280 --> 1:04:05.560 That interaction. He showed me love at the All Star 1:04:05.680 --> 1:04:07.680 Game in two thousand and one. I believe it was 1:04:07.720 --> 1:04:09.720 in l A or four. Two thousand and four. It 1:04:09.840 --> 1:04:11.560 was in l A. It was a big media scrum. 1:04:11.800 --> 1:04:13.919 He saw me made sure to look in the camera. 1:04:13.960 --> 1:04:16.000 I got the footage. But if it's like this big 1:04:16.040 --> 1:04:18.440 scrub and I'm like next to Steve, I'm like the 1:04:18.480 --> 1:04:21.520 Stewart Scott and some other dudes kind of hanging over 1:04:21.600 --> 1:04:24.000 in the scrum, and Kobe made sure to like look 1:04:24.040 --> 1:04:26.280 at me when he was answering. So he showed me 1:04:26.640 --> 1:04:28.880 like those type of love, which which also gets comes 1:04:28.920 --> 1:04:31.080 back to your point about how we we felt bad 1:04:31.120 --> 1:04:33.440 about all the years that we were lebron fans and 1:04:33.800 --> 1:04:36.120 sort of positioning our arguments and sort of hating on 1:04:36.240 --> 1:04:38.840 Kobe versus really uplifting the guy. I mean, Joe, I'll 1:04:38.840 --> 1:04:41.680 be honest with you, there's like years of basketball that 1:04:41.760 --> 1:04:44.080 I didn't watch of Kobe Bryant that I have to 1:04:44.160 --> 1:04:46.320 go back and see so I can be reminded of 1:04:46.720 --> 1:04:48.920 like the two thousands, the year he had autumn threes 1:04:48.960 --> 1:04:51.840 and autumn three forty point games. I didn't watch none 1:04:51.880 --> 1:04:53.640 of that. Bro. I was like, I'm not watching this. 1:04:53.720 --> 1:04:55.640 I'm off Kobe. I was mad he left Shock and 1:04:55.920 --> 1:04:58.960 he made Shock leave. I was so immature. And then 1:04:59.040 --> 1:05:05.400 the fast forward to the game against his last game, Joe, 1:05:05.520 --> 1:05:08.160 I literally I broke down. He hit that last shot Dog, 1:05:08.360 --> 1:05:10.720 you know, the two dribble pull up jumper, and I 1:05:10.840 --> 1:05:12.800 just like to start crying, man, because it was just 1:05:12.960 --> 1:05:14.480 like I was just like I couldn't believe it. I 1:05:14.600 --> 1:05:16.880 was just in a state of awe, of shock and 1:05:16.960 --> 1:05:19.560 of just reverence for like truly one of the greatest 1:05:19.960 --> 1:05:22.400 to have to pick up a basketball. Dog. That was 1:05:22.520 --> 1:05:24.680 the first time I felt old, you know what I mean, 1:05:24.840 --> 1:05:28.320 Like yeah, but really old, like seeing somebody's whole career 1:05:28.440 --> 1:05:32.200 through from seventeen eighteen years old that dynamics and to 1:05:32.280 --> 1:05:34.160 your point, still wasn't really a big Laker fan at 1:05:34.200 --> 1:05:36.200 that moment. But I'll still watch that game and cry 1:05:36.480 --> 1:05:38.240 because it reminded me so much of the Drew Leigue 1:05:38.240 --> 1:05:40.920 game man from five years earlier, where it's like, then, 1:05:40.960 --> 1:05:42.720 there's no way to lose this game. He's gonna go 1:05:42.800 --> 1:05:45.680 out on a sour note. You know, obviously Lagers didn't 1:05:45.680 --> 1:05:47.880 have a great year that season, but all that ship 1:05:48.080 --> 1:05:50.440 does not matter. You don't care anything about that. And 1:05:50.520 --> 1:05:53.120 then obviously delivering the speech after with the Momba out 1:05:53.560 --> 1:05:55.520 and you know, as a hooper and somebody who's building 1:05:55.560 --> 1:05:57.680 these spaces and done media and ship like that. You know, 1:05:57.800 --> 1:05:59.800 this is real life, right, no takes like this is 1:06:00.200 --> 1:06:02.560 just straight who you are and have to go out there, 1:06:02.920 --> 1:06:05.320 you know, to give a speech after doing all that ship. 1:06:05.480 --> 1:06:07.560 But one of the best speechs I think I've ever seen. 1:06:08.680 --> 1:06:09.800 I mean, this is you know what I mean, Like 1:06:10.480 --> 1:06:12.920 we do these possible flub stuff all on words whatever, 1:06:13.680 --> 1:06:15.520 This is like real life. There was no you know, 1:06:15.600 --> 1:06:17.080 I just had to play a game, bust these dudes 1:06:17.120 --> 1:06:18.640 asked the last thing I might ever played, and now 1:06:18.720 --> 1:06:21.280 to give this speech. So eloquently for Lakers fans just 1:06:21.360 --> 1:06:23.240 to hold on too. And at that moment, I think 1:06:23.280 --> 1:06:25.160 everything shifted. It's like, you know, because we were doing 1:06:25.160 --> 1:06:26.880 the thing we would call him Bryant just to disrespect 1:06:26.960 --> 1:06:29.440 Lakers fans and get them mad. Everything was Bryant, this 1:06:29.560 --> 1:06:32.240 Bryant that instead of caring of Kobe, but also the 1:06:33.000 --> 1:06:34.840 level of respect though it was never it's like you 1:06:34.880 --> 1:06:36.600 could be a hitter, but I mean, you know, I 1:06:36.680 --> 1:06:38.800 always have the most tremendous amount respect for when he 1:06:38.920 --> 1:06:40.680 was able to do in the basketball courting his leadership 1:06:40.760 --> 1:06:43.760 and went in the rings. And now to see Lebron 1:06:43.880 --> 1:06:46.720 following in that footstep of the Momba mentality and Lebron 1:06:46.840 --> 1:06:49.880 coming through and helping carry that tradition, it's like, yeah, 1:06:49.880 --> 1:06:52.240 we gotta shut that ship up. That those conversations are over. 1:06:52.520 --> 1:06:54.280 I don't really when people are like co code, where 1:06:54.360 --> 1:06:56.000 is Kobe going to go to bate Kobe kind of 1:06:56.080 --> 1:06:59.919 on his own thing right now, he's not. We don't 1:07:00.000 --> 1:07:03.680 discussed like whatever your field, whatever, Like he did whatever 1:07:03.720 --> 1:07:05.760 you need to do twenty years in l A. You 1:07:05.880 --> 1:07:08.840 know more than happy calling them to go like that's 1:07:08.840 --> 1:07:10.680 fucking you know what it is like you know, to 1:07:10.720 --> 1:07:13.600 see to be able to stand by that franchise. And 1:07:13.680 --> 1:07:15.480 I had this vision man of him and Lebron when 1:07:15.520 --> 1:07:17.520 Lebron first came, like hebe could just come back play 1:07:17.560 --> 1:07:20.520 fourth quarters, Kobe just pull up it like halftime, get 1:07:20.720 --> 1:07:23.200 get you get sweat in, but we need your third 1:07:23.240 --> 1:07:25.320 fourth quarter. Play about get to all the fifteen minutes 1:07:25.360 --> 1:07:28.120 come drop ten, you know, ten and four whatever. But 1:07:28.320 --> 1:07:30.160 you know, it would have been tremendous just to have 1:07:30.400 --> 1:07:32.080 that that level support. You've seen it now with a 1:07:32.120 --> 1:07:33.720 lot of these old guys that are that on the 1:07:33.800 --> 1:07:37.440 Laker squad. But you know, obviously you know, unable to happen. 1:07:37.520 --> 1:07:39.320 But just just something kind of the back of my 1:07:39.400 --> 1:07:40.800 head was like, you know, as if a Bron fan 1:07:40.840 --> 1:07:42.760 would love to see but I would say that they'd 1:07:42.760 --> 1:07:44.600 be like, I mean, oh I wished up the Bron need. 1:07:44.640 --> 1:07:46.760 It's like, I just want to see two elite level 1:07:46.840 --> 1:07:49.160 dudes who together for are you talking about? Those same 1:07:49.200 --> 1:07:51.240 people have no problem with the dance or the the 1:07:51.360 --> 1:07:53.240 Warriors super teams or any of that ship. But of 1:07:53.320 --> 1:07:55.760 course you brought these helps. Oh man, that would have 1:07:55.800 --> 1:07:59.800 been amazing. Joe, Joe Man, we appreciate you. Man, We've 1:07:59.840 --> 1:08:01.920 been going about an hour and ten minutes. Brother, I 1:08:02.040 --> 1:08:04.600 think we're gonna shut it down here, man. Thank you 1:08:04.720 --> 1:08:07.640 for your time today, bro. We are looking forward to 1:08:07.800 --> 1:08:10.760 everything that you've got going uh, for the rest of 1:08:10.840 --> 1:08:15.560 this year, next year, and beyond. October twenty nine, Colin 1:08:16.200 --> 1:08:21.240 in Black and White on Netflix, Josiah Johnson, Writer, producer, 1:08:21.600 --> 1:08:26.080 executive produced by Ava Duverney and Colin and Michael Starberry 1:08:26.080 --> 1:08:29.360 and that old crew and and everybody over there. Josiah Johnson, 1:08:29.439 --> 1:08:33.120 thank you so much, Joe for showing up today. Appreciate you. 1:08:33.320 --> 1:08:34.760 I look forward to doing more. It is. Yeah, we 1:08:34.800 --> 1:08:36.280 just need to go ahead, get this ship cracking, because 1:08:36.439 --> 1:08:39.000 you know, we be veering off topic and ship and 1:08:39.200 --> 1:08:41.599 just but that's the game. But the topics be nice, 1:08:41.680 --> 1:08:44.160 the beers be nice. I think we own this stuff, bro. 1:08:44.640 --> 1:08:48.080 I think we're all the stuffing our bags until the 1:08:48.200 --> 1:08:51.519 next time. This is kJ Live King Josiah Johnson. We 1:08:51.600 --> 1:08:51.800 out