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Speaker 1: This is kJ Live with Chris John Sillen and Chris

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Speaker 1: is having conversations with influencers in the sports world and

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Speaker 1: entertainment in this strain. Now here's Chris Johnson. You're now

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Speaker 1: to get the kJ Live. Today's guest on the show

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Speaker 1: is the writer, producer, the social media influencer with over

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Speaker 1: a hundred and eighty thousand followers and a half a

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Speaker 1: billion impressius to his credit. He as the host of

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Speaker 1: Buckets on Wave TV, and he has been recognized as

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Speaker 1: the goat of Twitter by Lebron James. Please welcome King

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Speaker 1: Josiah Johnson to the show. What's up, Big Joe? I

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Speaker 1: gotta correct you real quick? Half a billion? I do?

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Speaker 1: I do the half a billion in like March and April.

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Speaker 1: So I'm you know, we're putting these numbers out. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna hear about two billion this year. If anything. Bill

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Speaker 1: on the bed. You're not a big deal, nothing to

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Speaker 1: bragg or bust about. Just average you know, damn average twittering.

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Speaker 1: But you know, because this was so the last time

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Speaker 1: that I wrote your bio out, bro in March when

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Speaker 1: we did our show, you only had three fifty or something.

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Speaker 1: It was something crazy, So you've done You've done that

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Speaker 1: many since. That's real quick talk about just what it

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Speaker 1: feels like to go viral. A lot of us has

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Speaker 1: never gone viral. You go viral every day, probably six

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Speaker 1: seven times a day. What does it feel like, Joe?

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Speaker 1: What is the you know, what is the physical you

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Speaker 1: know the moments? What does it feel like? I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's like a drug man, obviously, you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're in a cannabis legal state. So it's like you

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Speaker 1: take that first hit of the fire, and you know,

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Speaker 1: you're you know, you take the first few hands and

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Speaker 1: couple you know, when you first start smoking, and you

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Speaker 1: got the munchies, and but then after a while, then

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Speaker 1: it's more just maintenance. Like after after after you just

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Speaker 1: get used to hitting the fire repeatedly, just become more

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Speaker 1: maintenance thing. And now it doesn't really have the same

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Speaker 1: a lord that it used to. Now it's more like

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Speaker 1: I feel like I need to do it, and you're

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Speaker 1: kind of watching it, watching it happen in real time.

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Speaker 1: And I know a lot of people like when they tweet,

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Speaker 1: I'm always constantly refreshing just those first couple of minutes,

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Speaker 1: and I can generally tell now within the first forty

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Speaker 1: five seconds, sixty seconds if a tweet is gonna go

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Speaker 1: viral or not, just bake on like kind of the

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Speaker 1: immediate reaction on Twitter. But it's still always a great

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Speaker 1: mom and it's always that pressure of the next one,

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Speaker 1: you know. So now it's like, if I got a

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Speaker 1: viral tweet, I gotta worry about what what's the next

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Speaker 1: weally gonna be? Because you know, if if I go

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Speaker 1: days now in between putting up viral content, I'll start

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Speaker 1: to get nervous, start to get jittery, start to get aunty,

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Speaker 1: like damn, maybe I don't got it anymore. But for me,

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Speaker 1: so I just have to constantly come back to the block,

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Speaker 1: keep bringing the heat always and uh, you know, just

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Speaker 1: keep these flares out. So you you literally feel sort

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Speaker 1: of a pressure when you on Twitter or social media

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Speaker 1: that because you have done so much, You've like scorched

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Speaker 1: earth that so many times, you feel like you can't

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Speaker 1: not do it no more. I mean, you don't want

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Speaker 1: to hang it up. When are you gonna? Are you

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Speaker 1: ever gonna say? You know what? That's it, y'all got it.

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Speaker 1: I'm just you know, I'm tired of doing this. Ship

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Speaker 1: It's too easy, son, kind of like Hove. You know,

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Speaker 1: when Hove got out the game started doing other things,

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Speaker 1: it was kind of like yo, a bar for bars,

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Speaker 1: Just like, what is it is that? Do you ever

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Speaker 1: start to think of those things? Joe, I'm definitely feeling.

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Speaker 1: I Mean, the problem with me now is I see

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Speaker 1: so many people It's funny of having a conversation with

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Speaker 1: you know, somebody famous. I'm not gonna say their name,

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Speaker 1: but they're like, yeah, man, I see I see I

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Speaker 1: see all these other accounts trying to be like you,

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Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, I see that too, but I

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Speaker 1: don't see the bags coming with that. So it's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, you're in this game, and but seriously, you're

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Speaker 1: in this game in this world. Now. It's like I

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Speaker 1: know most of people that work at these companies, and

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Speaker 1: you know, I know that they're getting told, oh, tweet

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Speaker 1: like Joe Side. But it's like you can just hit

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Speaker 1: yo side and give him a bag and he can

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Speaker 1: help you with your infrastructure, your strategy. But you know,

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Speaker 1: like like we talked about before, it's it's the thing

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Speaker 1: I always say if I was like a five ft

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Speaker 1: seven white dude, nerdy, corny white dude tweeting at the

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Speaker 1: level that I'm tweeting at people to throw millions of

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Speaker 1: dollars at me, gave me my platform, really let me

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Speaker 1: do whatever I wanted to do. But because I'm a

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Speaker 1: six or seven black man former hooper, they look at

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Speaker 1: it's like, well, damn shit, or what he could do it?

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Speaker 1: I could do it too. There's nothing there can't be

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Speaker 1: special about him. He's just a big, dumb, dumb animal

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Speaker 1: former athlete. I really feel that because then you know,

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Speaker 1: but constantly like, oh, well, you know, doing nothing special

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Speaker 1: about this. So I see people in its flame and

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Speaker 1: I'll see random humans come at me. You fell off,

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Speaker 1: you did this, you do that. And every time I

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Speaker 1: see that, it's like, Okay, fall off on this, fall

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Speaker 1: up on this, motherfucking another viral clip, another lebron quote,

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Speaker 1: tweet minding my business, fall off on that. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of like you said before, I can't

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Speaker 1: I can't ease up on it now because, like I,

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Speaker 1: so many people who want me to fail. So anytime

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Speaker 1: the tweet is not at the level that needs to

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Speaker 1: be at, it's a bunch of negativity and hate. And

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Speaker 1: I see all that ship man, I see everything that

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Speaker 1: goes on on my social account. But I also you know,

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Speaker 1: I love the support and I love the people that

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Speaker 1: rock with me. But you know, it's like, you could

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Speaker 1: get five hundred positive comments, five people, you can get

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Speaker 1: a Lebron quote, sweet, But I'm more fascinated by the

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Speaker 1: three or four people who hate it or tell me

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Speaker 1: I'm a cornball or whatever whatever. But then I'll click

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Speaker 1: on their profiles and see what they're about, and you

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Speaker 1: just really see the pain and the jealousy and the

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Speaker 1: frustration in their heart that they can't really perform at

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Speaker 1: a level. And this is, you know, not to compare

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Speaker 1: myself to Lebron at all, but you see it. Lebron

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Speaker 1: can put up a tweet about opening up a new school. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I just donated a five million dollars a charity, and

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Speaker 1: immediately the comments, how come you donate six million? We

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Speaker 1: didn't open up to schools. You were fraud You did this,

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Speaker 1: you did that. Your rings don't count, bubble, And it's

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Speaker 1: like you just see the hate of misery and bitterness.

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Speaker 1: And the funny thing is a lot of people don't

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Speaker 1: realize that these troll accounts. I'll literally stalk these troll

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Speaker 1: way they talk, in the way they're tweeting, the way

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Speaker 1: don't know exactly why you're so frustrated because your boss

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Speaker 1: is telling you to do the same exact ship you can't.

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Speaker 1: Oh so you're figuring out who people are. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean when people talk reckless and crazy to me, Chris,

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Speaker 1: you know, as a Johnson growing up at Los Angeles,

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Speaker 1: we don't really allow that that kind of time foolery

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Speaker 1: or out of pocket, definitely, you know, it's like, oh shit,

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Speaker 1: if this becomes an issue, I need to know who

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Speaker 1: this is. This person. Things they're they're moving with the

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Speaker 1: mask on things, they're moving in silence, but they're misspelling

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Speaker 1: the same word the way that they do on their

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Speaker 1: regular account. They have the same Cadens, same sense. Caden's

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Speaker 1: on the burner accounts have on the regular cog that's

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Speaker 1: rough dog. And it's like, okay, because I don't even

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Speaker 1: breathe this ship, but Joe, I'm playing Look what I

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Speaker 1: am glad and proud about, Uh, the way you handled

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Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff, and the beginning when you

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Speaker 1: first jumped on here and you got active on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: you used to, you know, address every single person and

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Speaker 1: your comments, addressing every single person. And then but at

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Speaker 1: gonna let it go. Um like you know, I'm moving on.

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Speaker 1: You seem that you started operating a higher plane. And

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Speaker 1: then fast forward to that moment that night, that day

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Speaker 1: of like the culmination. I think if you would have

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Speaker 1: total potential as a social media guy. You put your

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Speaker 1: that Lebron tweet and now he's ultimately co tweeted you

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Speaker 1: a few times after that. Talk about though that moment,

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Speaker 1: because we have been Lebron fans for a while, we

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Speaker 1: I hit you on Twitter, as you know I was.

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Speaker 1: I'm rocking. You know, it's two three chair. You see,

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Speaker 1: for me, the moment of validation June one, obviously a

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Speaker 1: of Josiah to Twitter, watching them watching the Nets game,

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Speaker 1: minding my business, you know, was was using the facilities?

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Speaker 1: Were you taking it? Was? Literally? Had I got a

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Speaker 1: pastrami sandwich from g MLOs in burd Bank. Anybody who's

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Speaker 1: said I would normally do outside my eating comfort zone.

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Speaker 1: So I'm after create before the game, just firing up,

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Speaker 1: you know, the hallepinion, little green peppers, onto the sandwich,

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Speaker 1: eating it delicious. And then right around the fourth quarter,

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Speaker 1: So I'm using the facilities while it's happening. Got the

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Speaker 1: door crack. My wife is giving me the play by play,

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Speaker 1: and she's like, yeah, br Bruce, wait, she's giving you

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Speaker 1: played by play. Why are you take it through the

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Speaker 1: door crack because I'm about twining while I'm going. You know,

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Speaker 1: they're all conditions, like there's no excuse, no. You know again,

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Speaker 1: if you're in the Johnson family, you know that whatever

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Speaker 1: there's you know, there are things were getting off and

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Speaker 1: just have to become used to certain saying yeah, whatever's

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Speaker 1: going on, that's a part of it. But she's getting

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Speaker 1: me to play by play. Yeah, Bruce Brown, he missed

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Speaker 1: the floater. I'm like, oh, let me fire off this.

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Speaker 1: You know this, this this Harlem nice clip, real quick,

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Speaker 1: put that up. I come back that thing. And like

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Speaker 1: I said, I know in the first minute minute if

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Speaker 1: Next thing, I know, I'm scrolling and I see uh

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Speaker 1: Lebron's you know, Abby show up with the check mare.

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Speaker 1: we need as men. We need to spend more time

426
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Speaker 1: addressing because we have we have a lot of young,

427
00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:25,840
Speaker 1: impressionable youngsters basically listening to us that that you know,

428
00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,720
Speaker 1: subscribe to your content, listen to my stuff, watch our videos,

429
00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,400
Speaker 1: watch our stuff. So the messaging has to be one

430
00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,120
Speaker 1: of hey, you know, you know that stuff ain't cool

431
00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,240
Speaker 1: and I realized that. And I want to ask you this,

432
00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,639
Speaker 1: do you think when you became a dad and fatherhood

433
00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,359
Speaker 1: did that sort of change your mentality at all? Because

434
00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,439
Speaker 1: I know when I had little girls and daughters, I

435
00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,320
Speaker 1: started to kind of look at things through a different lens.

436
00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:52,680
Speaker 1: Did you yeah? For sure? Boys that I go back

437
00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:54,359
Speaker 1: and wink with the way I was before kids and

438
00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,480
Speaker 1: know why I am now and they definitely changed. I

439
00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,600
Speaker 1: mean they with your patient as your home, mentality, how

440
00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,760
Speaker 1: to approach things, and now just being responsible for another

441
00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:03,840
Speaker 1: humans life and well being. Right, you know when when

442
00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,800
Speaker 1: the baby first comes out, all my friends, my male

443
00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:08,240
Speaker 1: friends who are about to have kids and ship, and

444
00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,240
Speaker 1: it's like it's not really gonna it's not really gonna change.

445
00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,359
Speaker 1: For you're gonna notice the hormonal changes in your and

446
00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:14,840
Speaker 1: your wife or your girlfriend, whoever. You're gonna see that.

447
00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:16,439
Speaker 1: But once that baby comes out, then it's like you

448
00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,199
Speaker 1: gotta lock and low because now you're responsible for this

449
00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,400
Speaker 1: child for the rest of his life. It's well being,

450
00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,040
Speaker 1: it's health. Now became less about me. There were times,

451
00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,919
Speaker 1: you know, pre kids, when I have a quitter mentality

452
00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,000
Speaker 1: or just give up and not give a fuck, you

453
00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:30,919
Speaker 1: know what was me type of you know, just approach

454
00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:32,840
Speaker 1: to life where it's like I gotta feed these children

455
00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,399
Speaker 1: now and that's the ship that drives and motivates me

456
00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,040
Speaker 1: and everything I do now, Like I gotta do your point.

457
00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,160
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna waste my time going at people who

458
00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:41,600
Speaker 1: don't rock them. You don't rock with me, I don't

459
00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:43,199
Speaker 1: rock with tons of things. Don't You don't see me

460
00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:44,840
Speaker 1: talking about how much I hate this or hate that,

461
00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,600
Speaker 1: or then this sucked, or that I stopped worrying about

462
00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,240
Speaker 1: other people's art, creativity, blessings and all that other ship.

463
00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,359
Speaker 1: And that's when my life got so much better because

464
00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:53,840
Speaker 1: I know, now I gotta worry about these kids, and

465
00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:55,560
Speaker 1: I gotta feed them, and they don't want to hear

466
00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,240
Speaker 1: no excuses. They don't want to hear whatever reason I

467
00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,359
Speaker 1: didn't do this or couldn't do that, or couldn't couldn't

468
00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,760
Speaker 1: provide for them, Like that's not on the table. So

469
00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,320
Speaker 1: everything I do now is with that motivation. And that's

470
00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,320
Speaker 1: where you know, I get so spirited and passionate and

471
00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,439
Speaker 1: fiery about a lot of this ship because you know,

472
00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:11,920
Speaker 1: like you know, when you see people taking your whole

473
00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,080
Speaker 1: style or taking your whole is um now but trying

474
00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,240
Speaker 1: to be buddies with you and buddy, it's like, my fucker,

475
00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,320
Speaker 1: this is money. You just took fucking food off my table,

476
00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:20,720
Speaker 1: Like this is now my kids can't eat because you

477
00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,679
Speaker 1: want to steal my ship and try to you know,

478
00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:24,879
Speaker 1: basically look at the style that I created and not

479
00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,639
Speaker 1: really pay your dues and pay your ties to to

480
00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,280
Speaker 1: the person that's responsible for so the ship really becomes frustrating,

481
00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,080
Speaker 1: especially in the social world. This is the thing I

482
00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:34,679
Speaker 1: pressed upon a lot of people that look like us,

483
00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:36,080
Speaker 1: black men and women that are trying to get in

484
00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,840
Speaker 1: the game. It's like, like you already have a huge following,

485
00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,400
Speaker 1: Like they're just they're just kind of mystique about social

486
00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:43,280
Speaker 1: where if you look at the highest level, it's a

487
00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,800
Speaker 1: lot of white people in positions that they candidly don't earn,

488
00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,480
Speaker 1: Like you know, I'm looking at the social game and

489
00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,480
Speaker 1: if you're like, like, if you had to pick between

490
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,040
Speaker 1: who who you want to be a VP of your

491
00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,040
Speaker 1: company or who you want to do this or that,

492
00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,239
Speaker 1: the person with a hundred any three thousand followers that's

493
00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,000
Speaker 1: shown that they can get it out the mud and

494
00:19:58,040 --> 00:19:59,639
Speaker 1: go viral on the owner. The person with like two

495
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,119
Speaker 1: followers that frankly doesn't know ship can't even build social

496
00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,359
Speaker 1: on their own account. This is not but this is

497
00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,040
Speaker 1: not how the world works. So all these people get

498
00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,400
Speaker 1: put in positions where their head of this and VP

499
00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,520
Speaker 1: of that and do this and do that, and it's

500
00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,879
Speaker 1: like for what you haven't even like you saw social

501
00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,159
Speaker 1: that you can't even build your own ship, like like

502
00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:17,960
Speaker 1: you're so good at social that you don't even know

503
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:19,600
Speaker 1: how to take all the things that apparently are good

504
00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,840
Speaker 1: enough for you to get these these cushy jobs and

505
00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,840
Speaker 1: applying to your own accounts, How does that make any less?

506
00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:26,800
Speaker 1: Like me being a chef, but I cam only a

507
00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,160
Speaker 1: chef when I could fucking do it at my five

508
00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,240
Speaker 1: star gourmet restaurant. When I'm at home in the kitchen,

509
00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,600
Speaker 1: I can't even make a grill cheese sandwich. I don't

510
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,040
Speaker 1: know how to don't. I don't know how to do this,

511
00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,240
Speaker 1: But you know, give me all the resources and everything.

512
00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,000
Speaker 1: So for me, like you were having kids, really just

513
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:43,920
Speaker 1: lit a fire under my ask like I gotta get

514
00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,320
Speaker 1: my life together, gotta get my ship right, because ultimately

515
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:47,760
Speaker 1: they don't want to hear no excuses. And we have

516
00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,680
Speaker 1: that sports background and mentality playing for people like Coach West,

517
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,840
Speaker 1: like I don't want to hear no fucking excuses. Get

518
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,359
Speaker 1: it done, or you know, or you fail. That's pretty

519
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,320
Speaker 1: much it. And that's how I move in shape now

520
00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:01,320
Speaker 1: in this game. Perspective is everything, man, and and it's

521
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,720
Speaker 1: just it's amazing to see how brothers change and development evolved.

522
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 1: But let's get back to something that you're doing currently.

523
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,440
Speaker 1: A lot of people, Well, so we just talked about

524
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,720
Speaker 1: your Twitter exploits and and for a lot of people,

525
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,280
Speaker 1: you know, just doing that would be something to hang

526
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,920
Speaker 1: they had on. But man, you're also you've created a show,

527
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:22,040
Speaker 1: an animated comedy series for Comedy Central, Legends of Champion

528
00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 1: of Heights. And then on October twenty night, you're a

529
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 1: writer producer on Colin Black and White, right, and excuse me,

530
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,119
Speaker 1: Colin and Black and White, which was a Netflix series

531
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 1: produced exactly produced by Colin Kaepernick and Avla Duverney, and

532
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,360
Speaker 1: you're on there as a writer producer. Man, that must

533
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 1: have been an amazing experience. To talk about a little

534
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 1: bit about working with Ava, Michael Starberry and those big

535
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 1: time people in that writer's room. Well, first, I mean

536
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 1: shouts out to Starburry for giving me the opportunity and

537
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,359
Speaker 1: you know, you know, the love that we are the

538
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,160
Speaker 1: family have a Starberry. But obviously my my favorite writer

539
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,680
Speaker 1: in the game. And to see history jectory has been

540
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 1: so inspiring since me him for the first time in

541
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 1: two thousand nine, knowing how talented he was then and

542
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 1: now seeing it all kind of coming to fruition obviously

543
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,200
Speaker 1: when they see us to get the Emmy nomination that

544
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 1: should have won, but that's neither here nor there. And

545
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,200
Speaker 1: then you know, partner back up with Ava to do

546
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 1: this show Colin in Black and White and obviously shout

547
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,439
Speaker 1: out to Ava fellow U s l A Brewing, you know,

548
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 1: just you know, queen like I can't. You know, it's

549
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,200
Speaker 1: always like you want to get people with their flowers

550
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 1: when they're a lives. So anytime people ask me about Ava,

551
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 1: I always trying to make sure to do that because

552
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,439
Speaker 1: her giving me the opportunity, she did not have to

553
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 1: do this, she didn't have to bring me along with

554
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 1: this thing, and to let me be a part of

555
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 1: something I feel like it's really just gonna be, you know,

556
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 1: historical in terms of what it's gonna be able to

557
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,959
Speaker 1: do and accomplish with a tremendous experience. And obviously Cap

558
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 1: the thing about Catman, I was rolling with Caps just

559
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 1: six teen when that first thing started. I remember, you

560
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 1: know how I think he started his his protests initially

561
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: in August, he wasn't really trying to draw attention to it. Eventually,

562
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 1: through some some various factors, including Steve White, shower at

563
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,159
Speaker 1: NFL Network was another person I rocked with heavy. You know,

564
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 1: I got brought to light and then kind of you

565
00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 1: just saw his career, just get this mantled and get

566
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,399
Speaker 1: black balled and just blatantly just mistreated by the NFL.

567
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 1: But I remember, and I went to the Comedy Central

568
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: Emmis party, which was in like early September, literally, and

569
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 1: we're Raiders. Families were Raider's family, were Raider's household. But

570
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 1: I'm out there rocking the cap jersey and the American

571
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 1: flag pants just in solidary and supports And I don't

572
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 1: even know Colin at this point, but I kind of

573
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 1: appear in a similar situation where you just get fed

574
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 1: up with the bullshit that's going on in the world,

575
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: especially as black men and women and the way we're treated.

576
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: But we know we're respected to be here for people's entertainment,

577
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,959
Speaker 1: and then how dare us have to, you know, complain

578
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: about anything going on in the world. And to see

579
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,360
Speaker 1: the way that Conlin was basically just shipped all over

580
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,640
Speaker 1: by mainstream media. Oh, he's disrespecting the troops, he's disrespecting

581
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 1: the veterans, he's disrespecting the police. And to see how

582
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,680
Speaker 1: these things are played out in the last five years,

583
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 1: and how this a blatant amount of bullshit from those

584
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 1: same exact people who disrespect the veterans, disrespected military, really

585
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: disrespect the police. You're talking about capital insurrection and literally

586
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 1: trying to overthrow a government because you weren't happy that

587
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 1: democracy didn't work in your favor. You know, you weren't

588
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 1: happy that everybody was able to use their votes to

589
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 1: vote on who they to vote for and to see

590
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: that ship play on in real time. And this hypocrisy

591
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 1: and even situations now going on with like the vaccinations

592
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,919
Speaker 1: in the NFL and guys, you know, holding this anti

593
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 1: vax stance and you know, I'm willing to die for

594
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: this anti vax stance, but not for a fellow, one

595
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 1: of my my brothren in the league who literally was blackballed,

596
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 1: included against my NFL owners to not be allowed to

597
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 1: do what he was very good at doing. And people

598
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 1: kind of say, oh, well, he he was trash, he

599
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 1: was this he was at I mean, give me a

600
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 1: fucking break. I've seen the number of starters and players

601
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 1: that have gotten to look and gotten multiple looks since

602
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 1: and you can't tell me that Colin isn't one of

603
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: the top thirty two quarterbacks in NFL. I'm not saying

604
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: he's the best. I'm not saying he's the worst, but

605
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: you can't tell him he doesn't deserve to be on

606
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 1: a roster. So to be able to have Colin, you know,

607
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 1: come in with us, sit in a room with us,

608
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 1: and just be able to see him, talk to him,

609
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: ask him questions, asking about all the misinformation on the

610
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: bullshit going on, Hey, did you really even want to

611
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: play this that in the third and to see the

612
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: way he responded that, and just even though we were

613
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: actually with Colin he came in the it was like,

614
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 1: I think, no, we're like nineteen ish. I told were

615
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: November twenty nineteen ish. He came in and actually the

616
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 1: day he came in, he found out about that workout

617
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, and just to see, you know, how how

618
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: happy he was, how excited he was to really go

619
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: out there and show it. But even us in the

620
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,199
Speaker 1: in the writer's room just know it, like, man, you

621
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: know this knows like some bullshit dog like like that

622
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 1: you're doing a workout for all thirty two teens doesn't

623
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: really make any sense. I've never really seen that happen before.

624
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: It just seemed really fishy. Didn't come to find out obviously,

625
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: the league and put a bunch of bullshit and paperwork

626
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: in the contract about you know, him with the workers

627
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: com Ship and now that he wouldn't be able to

628
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 1: super collusion again, and it's just like this is just

629
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 1: a sad state of a fairy, but this is where

630
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: we deal with his black men and women in this country.

631
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: And then obviously from that to see the George Floyd situation,

632
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: the pandemic start and just now people see it in

633
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: their eyes, and Christian, you and I both know, like

634
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: I saw a lot of bullshit and I actually lost

635
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: a lot of respect for people that have respect for

636
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 1: just to see how they moved during you know, the

637
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: George Floyd, you know, peaceful protests and how they moved

638
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 1: with Jacob Blake. It was just a lot of fake,

639
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 1: fucking pandering and you know, just oh, I'm really you know,

640
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: we want to do more black projects this and there're like, yeah,

641
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 1: this should last a month. I don't believe any any

642
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: word of what you're saying. And me it really like,

643
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of lost my mental sanity for

644
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: a while during that time point the pandemic, just all

645
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: the ship going on. But just to know how frustrating

646
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: it is still when it was, oh, we're gonna we're

647
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: gonna do better, we're gonna make an effort to really,

648
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 1: you know, diversify, and it's like, all right, we're tired

649
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: of doing that. It's been a month. I'm sucking exhausted.

650
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: Back to we tried. We hired a couple of blacks.

651
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: We just found some blacks on the street game jobs.

652
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: It didn't work out like lo and behol shockingly, and

653
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: you know, we tried, So we're gonna go back to

654
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: whatever the status quo is. What about what about those

655
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 1: that would say joe to to your to this point

656
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 1: that you know, before in our country, nobody, no companies

657
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,919
Speaker 1: was doing nothing like this. So maybe if it's a

658
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: little bit better than nothing, I think if you have

659
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 1: to realize the motivations and intentions. I don't think companies

660
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: were doing this because they cared about diversity and they

661
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: cared about black people. They were doing it because, oh,

662
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: when other people are doing this, they're getting a ton

663
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: of likes on those posts, they're getting a ton of retweets,

664
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,160
Speaker 1: they're getting a ton of engagements, and we still sell

665
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 1: the black people, so you know, we need to pretend

666
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: like we give a funk at the highest level. No,

667
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 1: my friends don't care about about about improving and advancing.

668
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: I mean I tell people candidly, Look, I'm heavy and

669
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: social media uh NBA NFL six seventy percent black. Do

670
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 1: you feel like social media teams during that sixty seventy

671
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 1: percent black range, you'd be lucky if you've got ten

672
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: percent Black people represented, you know, in a lot of

673
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: these spaces. And but this is how we're meant to

674
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: look like we're not mentally capable to talk about the

675
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: things that we know. But you constantly see a lot

676
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: of these social platforms literally just stealing black culture, stealing

677
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: black verracular and operating honestly the in digital black face

678
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: where you know they're they're white. Employees will start talking

679
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: about dripping swag and blah blah blah, and it's like, motherfucker,

680
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: I know the fucking person you stole that ship from.

681
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: I know the person you stole that from. I know

682
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 1: when I see one of my my black friends post

683
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: a hot tweet, Oh, this is gonna end up on

684
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: a major account with a couple of words changed around.

685
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: I've seen it happen to me personally, and these are

686
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 1: the people that get to dominate these spaces. The same

687
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: thing with the leagues in terms of representation at the

688
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: ownership level, at the executive level. It's like, you know,

689
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: we seeing I think we're one short of the record

690
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 1: for a black coach in the NBA going into this season.

691
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: But why it takes so long to get to this point,

692
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And why you know, when

693
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 1: black coaches are giving these positions, they're not giving the

694
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: rope and the opportunities to look at the NFL, like

695
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: there's no shortage of white coaches who've been regurgitated all types,

696
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: you know, multiple head coaching jobs and proven that they

697
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: don't have the goods. Or I look at a guy

698
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 1: like Eric the Enemy and everybody, oh Andy Reid calls

699
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 1: the plays, and I look at all Belichick's disciples. What

700
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 1: Belichick not calling those plays? But those my fuckers getting

701
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 1: head coaching jobs out to ask. So it's always just

702
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: this double standard of everything going on the world, where

703
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: black cip constantly are good enough. We should just be

704
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: happy for whatever we're getting, and it's like, man, fuck you,

705
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: we were we we we make this circle. We are

706
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: we are the reason that all this stuff is able

707
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: to exist. You know what I mean. You look and

708
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: I love the way that guys like Lebrian and k

709
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: D and Stephan, these guys move. Now where it's like,

710
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: funk you. I'm gonna control my own narrative. I don't

711
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: need to rest on you guys. I can start my

712
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: own media companies. I can do all the same ships

713
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: you guys are doing and hire the same exact people

714
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: you guys are hiring, and do our own ship now.

715
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: So I think you know we're seeing really it's like

716
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: a great moment, especially for Black American in this country.

717
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: But we can't let that slip away. We can't take

718
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: the foot off the gas either. You know. We gotta

719
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: keep keep fighting for what we believe in and keep

720
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: fighting for those opportunities. And that's like I told you before,

721
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: That's like if I was putting up the numbers I'm

722
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: putting up, but I'm a five foot seven white dude,

723
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: I'd be ordained. That's the greatest social media mind of

724
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: this generation. Here's ten million dollars. Start with whatever you

725
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: want to start, do whatever companies you want to do.

726
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: Fail as much as you want. You failed head here there.

727
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: We gave your promotion for another bigger, better company ship

728
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: that we see on the other side very very frequently.

729
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: But again, because I'm a six or seven black dude

730
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: that used to hoop, you know, I'm not respected. I'm

731
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: just I'm mean boy, like oh, he just makes memes

732
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: like nah, I do a little bit more than that memes. Honestly,

733
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: you're about ten percent of actually my workflow. Do a

734
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: lot more than that, and and try to be you know,

735
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: growing up in the Johnson household, we had a premium

736
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,479
Speaker 1: was put on education from from you know, Dad, all

737
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: the way down, like you you gotta be smart in

738
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: this house or you're not gonna be respected. We're watching

739
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: Jeopardy going hard at each other. You know what I'm saying.

740
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: We're we're noting will of fortunate as much. That's not

741
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: really a thinking man, Yeah, that's not. It's complicated as

742
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: a rapid fire que and that it's like when anybody

743
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: can figure out a word puzzle out when they get

744
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: the guest a letter. We're going hard on this ship,

745
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: reading almanacs, reading all types of ship to gaining knowledge,

746
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: you know, being educated, being an honors classes, ap classes,

747
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: just performing at the highest level, but for some reasons

748
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: like oh, when you play basketball, so you're not intelligence.

749
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: It's like, no, my fucker, I did that, and I

750
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: can give you buckets on end off the court. Final

751
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: thing about cap um, what do you what did you

752
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: learn about the man Colin Captant that you didn't know before?

753
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: I think seeing Cap and you know, I've done some

754
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: research on Cap leading up to it, and obviously Starbury

755
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: told me I was working on the gig. I felt

756
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: son dead to him. I put like a whole huge

757
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: research packing together, did as much of a deep dive

758
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: as I could just to find out about his life.

759
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't realize they see Cap now

760
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,959
Speaker 1: and it's kind of like, well, you grew up with

761
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: the two white parents in a in a suburb, where

762
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: do you have to complain about That's kind of even

763
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: from the black community, you see a lot. Yeah. I

764
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: think looking at Cap is like, you know, with the

765
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: show really highlighting this high school experience, that a lot

766
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: of these seeds were planned early on, and you had

767
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: a kid that you know, struggle with his identity growing

768
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: up in an all white family, growing up in Central California,

769
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: which anybody who knows anything about Calli, you know, Central

770
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: Cally is the red area, right, Like you know Colin

771
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: saying he he lived five minutes away from the grand

772
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: Wizard of the clan, like knowing these type of things,

773
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: but you know, knowing that because he was great with

774
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: with his athletic exploits, that people look look past all

775
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: that type of stuff. But Colin at a very early

776
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: age had a thirst and a knowledge. I want to

777
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: learn about his culture, his blackness, and really discover who

778
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: he really was, which is situation that we're beyond his control.

779
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: Obviously being adopted into a white family, not not having

780
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: access to the type of situation. But as you start

781
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: to read, you start to learn knowing that, damn, I'm different.

782
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: Like you know, I got a white brother and sister

783
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: and two white parents, and they treat me like a

784
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: son and they love me like I'm family. But when

785
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: we go to places, I'm getting stared at and getting

786
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: sneered and getting you know, the racial comments. And again,

787
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: growing up in Central Calli is not the same as

788
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: growing up in Los Angeles. You know, don't let the

789
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: election fool you. You start making that drive to go

790
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: up to the bay whatever. You know, you pull over

791
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: them gas station. Sometimes you like this is not this

792
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: is not for you, but so for him, just you know,

793
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: his experience in high school and what a lot of

794
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: people don't realize about Cap is that he was kind

795
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: of always the underdog. He only had one college scholarship

796
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: offer coming out of high school and at one quarterback offer,

797
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: and that came literally as a result of a basketball game,

798
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: like he he bawled out like Nevada. I think Nevada

799
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: coach just came to check him out. He had been

800
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: in their camp or whatever they he was on the radar.

801
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: But that song played basically in a basketball game, was like, look,

802
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: even don't work out his quarterback, we can get this

803
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: guy in another position. Like he's a fucking just talented

804
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: as athlete and Colin, to his credit, I'm a quarterback.

805
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: I want to play quarterback. So if you knew how

806
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: much he loved the position, how much he sacrificed to

807
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: be a quarterback, and then when he got that opportunity

808
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: in the NFL leading to the highest level, and it's like,

809
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: you know, people will shoot on Cap and you look

810
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: at Jimmy Garoppolo, who's in a similar situation led the

811
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: Nine into the super Bowl. Then you have a shitty

812
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: year and it's oh, well, you know the team wasn't good,

813
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: like cap deal with those same exact ship. You know,

814
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: when you look at the Chip Kelly years with the Niners,

815
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: people people act like they had a super Bowl level

816
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: squad every year and he just wasn't performing as a quarterback.

817
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: It's like, now, look at some of those teams he

818
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: was dealing with injury, he was battling there. There's a

819
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: reason he had a flu, which we've seen from pretty

820
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: much any quarterback you can think of. Right now, I'm

821
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: looking at the Manning broadcast on you know, Monday Night Football,

822
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: like their career is just more perfect all the way through.

823
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: Payton has some downtime. I'm not comparing Colin that Colin

824
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: and Payton or Colin Eli, but just to say that

825
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: guys go through down periods and it's not like we

826
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: just throw them, throw them to the side, like we

827
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: allowed them to come back given the resource they need.

828
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: And now when you get that squad that can perform, well,

829
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: it's not always just on you know, the quarterback. But

830
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: they'll look at the win loss record, those type of

831
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,959
Speaker 1: things and not acknowledge, Oh, the line wasn't as good

832
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: as it need to be, the receiving corps wasn't as

833
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: good as it needed to be. Well, well, well, I'm

834
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: sorry to cut you off with Joe. I see it

835
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: all the time that in no offense against Josh Rosen.

836
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: But I've seen people make this excuse for Josh Rosan

837
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: and like every single stop of every year of his

838
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: career where his offensive line wasn't good, and look at

839
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: his defense and give him a chance. All he needs

840
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: his reps. But then you see the black quarterbacks typically

841
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: you know your boy Dwayne um Haskins in Washington, remember him,

842
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: Remember how they get they severed ties with him after

843
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 1: just nothing. But I've noticed that trend, and so for me,

844
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: it's like I thought it's supposed to be about who

845
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 1: can play the position um and seems like the black

846
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are evaluated differently than white quarterbacks. I remember you

847
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: did that piece, you produced that piece at the NFL

848
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: Network a long time ago, when you're talking about guys

849
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 1: like Mark was at Myron bisco Marlon Briscoe, Marlon Briscoe,

850
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: the legend, the magician. But you look at I mean

851
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: you know, and that's the whole thing to you. Look

852
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: at the NFL right from like ninety six, there were

853
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: no black quarterbacks and then felt let alone black play,

854
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: you know, gentleman's agreement, no blacks allowed. Look at the

855
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: SEC with schools into the seventies even early eighties weren't

856
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: working with black people at all. And then now coming

857
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: revolutionized position, you think about people like James Shack Harris

858
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: and Marlo Briscoe who you mentioned, and just you know,

859
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: Willie Thrower and guys that didn't get those opportunities. You know,

860
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: you look at Marlin story. Marlin fucking was you know,

861
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: I think she could have been Rick of the Year

862
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: or like finished second whatever came in. But literally the

863
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: amount of variables it took for him to get into

864
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: the Broncos line up as a quarterback. Then he gets

865
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: out there and dazzles and literally never plays quarterback again

866
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: after that. You know. But just this is the world

867
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: that goes on for for black quarterbacks in general. So

868
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: to see the way Colin is like, oh, you're ungrateful,

869
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: You're up to the you know, you're up to the

870
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: N word, because because you now want to bring attention,

871
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: are you just do it because you're not playing like

872
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: whatever the fucking factors and variables are we talking about

873
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: Magic Johnson all the time? Who we're revering our household.

874
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 1: I'm fairly confident of Magic didn't get HIV, he wouldn't

875
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: have been such a big advocate for HIV and the

876
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: Age initiative. You know, you look at Michael Vick and

877
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: the Dog Fight, and you can think whatever you want

878
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: about Michael Vick, but if Michael Vick hadn't went to

879
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: that situation, his life and perspective wouldn't have changed for

880
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: now him to become an advocate and go out of

881
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: his way to use his time and celebrities influence to

882
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: bring attention to situations that go on there with with

883
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: animal mistreatment and things like that. So whatever were the

884
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 1: factors of variables, I'm gonna type of human being, whatever

885
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: that that ship doesn't is irrelevant. It's it's a matter

886
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: of what you accomplished and what you're trying to do

887
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: and use that platform for. And I think what we

888
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: saw and what Colin helped really engineer and bring life

889
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: to and bring attention to is a lot of the

890
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: bullshit that goes on in the world. Again, a lot

891
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: of the people that were saying he's anti this and

892
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: anti that proved themselves to be the exact same thing

893
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: that they were accusing him of when she didn't go

894
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: their way. I had to listen to people like Tommy

895
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: Learn said that the Capital insurrection was just a bad day, like,

896
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: you guys try to overthrow the fucking government? What was Chris?

897
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: I was back in New Jersey with my mom recently.

898
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: We went and saw Bonnie Watson Coleman, who was a congresswoman,

899
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: and she's telling us what that experience was like, being

900
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: stuck she was in the capital with that experience was

901
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: she was she scared for her life? Did you get

902
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 1: assensed that she was scared for her life the way

903
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: she was telling the story, She she was somewhere else,

904
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: and she was basically, let's go to the capital. It'll

905
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 1: be safer there. Kind of they've gotten wind of what

906
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: was going on. So she went actually went to the capital,

907
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,720
Speaker 1: but to have to sit there and be in fear

908
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: of people who were mad because democracy didn't work in

909
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,439
Speaker 1: their favor. And these are the same people that say

910
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: this is not a big deal, and that's not a

911
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: big deal, and why are we doing this? And why

912
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,959
Speaker 1: do we need vaccines? And I'm gonna take this fucking

913
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: horse tranquilizer or whatever. It's just such an assinine perspect

914
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: in the world. And this is what I always trying

915
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 1: to explain. It's like it doesn't you can't think about

916
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: it rationally. You can't think about what's right or wrong

917
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: because people, even when they're presented with the option for

918
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: right or wrong. People new slavery was wrong. People new

919
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: segregation was wrong. People knew the Civil Rights air and

920
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: all the ship was going on. Fucking water holes and

921
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: black people just for for one to sit on the

922
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: bus equally that you know. But they don't give a

923
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: funk and they never will, so you can't really worry

924
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: about them. The only thing you do is defeat them.

925
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: The only way you defeat them is by being successful,

926
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: getting your bags right, really fortifying your crew, and having

927
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: enough resources at your discloser to be able to combat

928
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: all the negativity and bullshit going out in the world.

929
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely appreciate that. Man. We're feared a little bit,

930
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: but it's all great. No, no, but it's good stuff. Man.

931
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: Sometimes these are these are the topics that conversations bring

932
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: up and bring out of a person, especially someone like yourself,

933
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: is very passionate. And when you hear that, when you

934
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: hear the passion, Yeah, man, I'm looking forward to seeing

935
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: this Kaepernick project because if you bring this type of

936
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: passion to writing, Josiah, this is the type of ship

937
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: that you know, makes for just unbelievable genius work level

938
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: because you care and so that's what matters. But man,

939
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,439
Speaker 1: this other thing that you're doing, Bro, you was back

940
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: in New Jersey or you was back East with your mind,

941
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: but you did the Prolacrosse Situation League, Premiere Lacross League.

942
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: Talk about how you got involved with the Premiere Lacrosse

943
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 1: League and what's up on Lacross. I mean I heard,

944
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: you know, I did a little bit with it, but

945
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: I have no idea what that sports about. Well, you know,

946
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: shout out to the Leven, the legend, Trevor Trout, you

947
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: know USC legend. But uh, you know he connected me

948
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: with with the league. You know, they were interested in

949
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 1: doing some stuff. They around in San Jose for their

950
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: All Star game back and like me and July So

951
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: reached out. Man. Honestly, I'm and I told them the

952
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: same things, like we just didn't have a cross out here.

953
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: But you know, if we did, my body might have around.

954
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: You know, you might have seen the really doing work.

955
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: You know, you're talking about Jim Brown and arguably the

956
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: greatest of cross player ever. And just you know, the

957
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: Crosses saw some other ship. Man. I didn't really know

958
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: a ton about the league initially, but anything I get

959
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: involved with I do a ton of research. Took a

960
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: deep die. So shout out to the Rebel Brothers Mike

961
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: and Paul, Paul who just actually recently retired, you know,

962
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: after I think like a fourteen year career pro but help.

963
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: So basically, these guys are playing in another league. Brandon,

964
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: the situation wasn't that good. The Rebel Brothers are like, fun, this,

965
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: we can improve it started. The Premier Lacrosse League brought

966
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: a lot of the high level talent. It's it's a

967
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:28,919
Speaker 1: different league and unique in the fact that these guys

968
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: now get equity in the league and they have a

969
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: vested interest in the league success. And they basically barnstorm.

970
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: So they've got eight teams, but the teams have no

971
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: city affiliation. They all traveled together across the country week

972
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 1: to week, playing in different cities. So just even that

973
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: perspective kind of like the Big Three in terms of

974
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: how its structured like that, but getting all the best

975
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 1: high level across players and meeting guys like Miles Jones

976
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: and Jules Hanningberg and fucking huh Romar Dennis and just

977
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: like guys that are a part of the league that

978
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: you know. You see these like six ft three, six

979
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: ft four, like big buff like usually Miles Jones in

980
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 1: real life. You're like, I'm talking to he was, like

981
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: I played au with Dubias Harrison back in then, Lie,

982
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: I know you did. Bro. You're out here. You could

983
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: be a linebacker, you could be anything you want to be.

984
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: But see them out there, And that's what I was

985
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: gonna ask you, just about the body builds, Like what

986
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: athletes would you compare lacrosse players to, like what positional

987
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 1: like point guard like NBA point guards or I mean

988
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: you see everything. You see guys build like fullbacks. You

989
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: see dudes that could literally be like you know, middle

990
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: linebackers in the NFL, guys are on the shorter side,

991
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: kind of like baseball hockey kind of different, Like you're

992
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,720
Speaker 1: gonna get a hodge pods of guy depending on their position.

993
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: Like they got this one legend who came up with

994
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,280
Speaker 1: the thick board summer. You know, he's built like literally

995
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: straight fullback. But out on the field like you know,

996
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 1: it's such a you know, they can move, they got

997
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: jukes and they can move and like speed, quickness, agility,

998
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: side to side. That's what matters Joe all that. But

999
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: they're also like they can pound each other with the

1000
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: sticks at defender to try and knock the ball out

1001
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: of somebody's hands. So they'll be whacking ship out of

1002
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: each other like somebody whacked me like that. I'm not

1003
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: to put the stick down, the square up. They're going

1004
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: at these dudes, and you know they're there, weren't there,

1005
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: weren't protection everything, but just being able to connect the sports.

1006
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: Shout out to the legend r J two, r J

1007
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: Kminsky over at uh, you know, Premier Lacrosse League. To me,

1008
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: it reminds me so much of what the NFL was

1009
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: doing back in the early days with the NFL films,

1010
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: And if people look at the success of the NFL,

1011
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: you gotta look at the sables Stephen Head and what

1012
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: they were able to do and making those games feel

1013
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: larger than life like when I was at NFL and

1014
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: NFL network. I always say NFL could take a game

1015
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: that was zero zero make it look like the greatest

1016
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: game ever played, just with the camera angles, the great voiceover,

1017
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: the god shots, and the Premier Lacrosse League is really

1018
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: ambinding a lot of that. They've got it like a

1019
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 1: just an amazing crew of social media people and people

1020
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: on the video production side that that really go out

1021
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: there and just honestly, every game you've got, so every

1022
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: team has like one to two people on the social

1023
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: video side, so you figure you put them all together,

1024
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: that's not sixteen people. You've got it every single game

1025
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 1: that are just there that love the sport, really building

1026
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,439
Speaker 1: up a strong community. So I did the All Star

1027
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: Game with them. I'm like, yeah, I want to funk

1028
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: with you. I want to come, you know, like I

1029
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: come out to Philly for the Semize and check you

1030
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: all out there. So I got to go and actually

1031
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: see real games being played. All Star game was obviously

1032
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: kind of you know, dudes were having fun and you know,

1033
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: just just sucking around, but to see them in a

1034
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: high level game, high level competition, like these dudes really

1035
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: go at each other and you know the league is awesome.

1036
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: They let me get field level, let me get in

1037
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: the huddles like ship that we would never be able

1038
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: to get off in any other sport, but just to

1039
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 1: see the intensity the fire and also just you know

1040
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: the amount of black players in the league and the

1041
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: Black Across Alliance and what they're trying to do to

1042
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: strengthen the brawn the game. Yeah, you know, there's there's

1043
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: there's a there's a heavy contingent. That was the one

1044
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: thing I do with any sports that that I deal with.

1045
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: It's like, I need to know what your your black

1046
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 1: representation looks like. And those are the people that would

1047
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: love to elevate and amplifying edition to have the people

1048
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: in the league. But those are people I resonate with

1049
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: the most, so you know, let me sit down with them.

1050
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: So we've got to sit down with Miles and Jewels

1051
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: and romar Uh in San Jose and just talk to

1052
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: these guys. And it's just like, damn, these dudes are

1053
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 1: fucking legends, Like just cool, last dude. Everybody in the

1054
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: league is cool and really bracing of all cultures. I

1055
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: really appreciate the Rebel Brothers for let me even get

1056
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: the opportunity to out there and be a part of it.

1057
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: I hit up Paul Paul retired yesterday, hit him with

1058
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: the d M, just like, you know, I appreciate the

1059
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: opportunity here. He responded right back, like, you know, just

1060
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: thank you and everything you do. I know he's launch

1061
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: an initiative now to get you know, lacrosse goals and

1062
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: underserved communities across the country and really, you know, I

1063
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 1: think the sport is burgeoning. I think it really has

1064
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 1: the potential to be the next big American sport because

1065
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: it has all the fast paced, high scoring, has you know,

1066
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 1: the big hits, that has a nice juice and nice moves.

1067
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: It's basically, you know, it's like hockey on on on

1068
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: on the grass soccer field. But are committed to the sport.

1069
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: They love it, and you know, for me just to

1070
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: be a partner, I'm super appreciative. Yeah. I love to

1071
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: see some you know, inner city partnerships or initiatives with

1072
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: kids in the inner city to make you know, equipment

1073
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: more affordable. I would think one of the big challenges

1074
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: with the sport like lacrosse, which is you know, reputation

1075
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: to be East Coast base kind of preppy, you know,

1076
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: high exacuty league sport. If we can get some affordable

1077
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: gloves and the helmet and all that and all that.

1078
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: You know, I think that that's that's ninety of it.

1079
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: You know, it's just getting enough equipment for all these kids. Dog,

1080
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: you know how that go. You know, the equipment is

1081
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 1: if you get some cross in the hood, I promise

1082
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: you in the next five or ten years. Because also

1083
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: just a ship from football, it's not it's not as

1084
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: dangerous of sport were talking about the ct and all

1085
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: that other type of ship, but has a lot of

1086
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 1: the same principles in it. What God trying to shake

1087
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: each other and shake defenders and get buckets on, you know,

1088
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: score goals. There there's a potential that I feel like,

1089
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: you know, it's another sport that we can just take

1090
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 1: over and dominate if given given the right access. Yeah. Absolutely,

1091
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: And what's your experience? And I wanted to touch on

1092
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 1: this because you you have experience at the NFL network.

1093
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: You're pretty experienced in the league. Um, I've read somewhere

1094
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: where the NFL had this like racial norming thing that

1095
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: they were doing when taking into account uh former players

1096
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: CTE can custious. Do you are you aware of that

1097
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: that what's going on? With that situation. What is your

1098
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: thoughts on how the NFL operates from a business perspective

1099
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,919
Speaker 1: like that. Well, you know, I'm never wanting to funk

1100
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: up my bags, and obviously I got a lot of

1101
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: a lot of great friends at the NFL and NFL

1102
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: Network and I worked there for the better part of

1103
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: ten years. But to see the type of situations that

1104
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: are going, it's extremely frustrating. I think they initially dropped

1105
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,919
Speaker 1: that one up like that are called like super Bowl.

1106
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,959
Speaker 1: We've been buried it, you know, you know, nobody really

1107
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: heard about it. Then it resurfaced a few months later

1108
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: when they're talking about how blatantly discriminatory they were. So

1109
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 1: not only do you knowledge that you have CT how

1110
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: fun up a situation is that you set aside a

1111
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: fund for guys to get the help they need. And Chris,

1112
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: I'll just tell you real quicker story. So I was

1113
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: working in the NFL is probably like two thousand seven,

1114
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, there was Super Bowl in Miami,

1115
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: whatever year that was. So, you know, like the NFL,

1116
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: the NFL network was always a hierarchy. So obviously the

1117
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,439
Speaker 1: upper level exacts and like the premium talent, they stayed

1118
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: in South Beach. We stayed across the bridge, like right

1119
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 1: near the airport. Um, and I'll never forget this. You

1120
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,919
Speaker 1: got the glitz and glamorous South Beach, all these super

1121
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: Bowl parties, just all the amazing ship going on. We're

1122
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 1: really staying on like a Marriott right near the airport,

1123
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: and all the former guys have whatever, Like the t

1124
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: g I version, Friday's version of the restaurant is in

1125
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 1: the restaurant hotel. All these former guys come through like

1126
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: fucking Earl Campbell, dig Bucket, like just all these and

1127
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: these dudes are struggling to walk and fucking it, I'm

1128
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: going over there. I'm just getting like, got some food

1129
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: to go real quick, and kind of stumbled on like

1130
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: the former player reunion, And just see the way those

1131
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: guys were treated, the guys that literally laid the foundation

1132
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: for God to get these multimillion dollar contract ship broke

1133
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: my heart. Man. I remember just looking at that ship,

1134
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: and I was probably like four at the time, not

1135
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: really understanding what was going on. But now that's take

1136
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: a look back on it. So to see the way

1137
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: the league is treating players that literally sacrificed so much,

1138
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: players that grew up in this toxic masculinity culture where

1139
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: you know that's not a can cuss your head just hurts,

1140
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: Rub some ice on and go back out there and

1141
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: fucking get us to win. That's the only thing that matters. Hey,

1142
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: entertain these fans, that's the only thing that matters. So

1143
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 1: to see these guys now getting mistreated like that, I

1144
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: think the thing was like they treated black players mental

1145
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,320
Speaker 1: capacity at a lower level than than white players, and

1146
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: that was a part of the initial baseline test going in.

1147
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: And to see this type of ship happened in the

1148
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: league and now I's like, oh, yeah, we sucked up,

1149
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: and believe me, nobody's perfect. But to see the way

1150
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: that the players are treated, and that's not even in

1151
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: the NFL, like across sports, it's like these guys laid

1152
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: to found dation. I think that's even indicative of us

1153
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: as society. We don't take care of our old. We

1154
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: kind of just capt him aside. And that's something. Not

1155
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: to bring it back to this rona pandemic, the coronavirus pandemic,

1156
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: but something that's been so blatany like pissed me off.

1157
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: It is like are old people are at risk? They're

1158
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: they're the they're the target, you know, sixty five and older,

1159
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 1: and we don't even have enough love and respect for

1160
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,720
Speaker 1: them to just fucking wear a mask and do simple

1161
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: ship like we'd rather go out of our way. Hey

1162
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: you're old, just stay your ass at home instead of,

1163
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: you know, just caring about our common man. So when

1164
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: I saw the ship going with the NFL, and honestly,

1165
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: it was extremely disappointed. Like I said, I got a

1166
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: ton of friends there, a ton of people that I

1167
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: rock with in respect, but there comes a point when

1168
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: when this bullshit needs to get exposed. And even stuff

1169
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: as simple as Colin being black Ball for five seasons,

1170
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: you're tell me he's not good enough to be on

1171
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: a roster With all the other ship going on. We've

1172
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: seen guys fucking literally murderers and fucking all type. You know,

1173
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: talk about Aaron Hernan as the ship going on. All

1174
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: that's good to go because hey, they can perform. We've

1175
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: seen Antonio Brown and a lot of stuff he's done. Well,

1176
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: hey he's good, so who cares. But it's like, what

1177
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: did Colin actually do? Like I mean, it should have

1178
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: been out there punching him in, Like would you like

1179
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: him more if he was rolling around with like a

1180
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: stockpile of guns, like, you know, threatening people. Would you

1181
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: prefer him to get a d y and hit somebody

1182
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 1: and you can't? I mean, it's just like what what

1183
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: are you ultimately mad at that this black man who

1184
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 1: was successful wanted to use this platform to raise awareness

1185
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: and attention to the sugar on That's what you're That's

1186
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: what that was like, Oh, we can't have him in

1187
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 1: this league. Yeah, anytime any time you speak out against

1188
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: law enforcement, military, I feel like, as an athlete in

1189
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: this country, you're gonna wade in some controversial waters. You've

1190
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: seen it throughout our history. Muhammad A Live is a

1191
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: great example of how. You know, he speaks out against

1192
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: the war against Vietnam. You know, ain't no Vietcong. They

1193
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: were called me the inn word, refused to go, and

1194
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 1: now he's ostracized by mainstream America. It's so funny to

1195
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: see Muhammad Ali's just how people talked about him close

1196
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: to his death, and he was revered. But if you

1197
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people that were around back then,

1198
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: remember what time it was. I got a feeling that

1199
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 1: same thing is gonna happen with a Colin captant. What

1200
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: I do think it's it's one of those things. Shut

1201
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: up and dribble. Athletes are to be seen and to

1202
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: perform and not hurt. I really think it has to

1203
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: do with that, my guy. But the crazy part about it,

1204
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 1: just quickly is that everything was always he's anti he's

1205
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: anti Miller, carry, he's anti veters. Literally, Nate Bowyer green Beret,

1206
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: is the one who told Colin to do this peaceful protests.

1207
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: And that's and this is like when you look at

1208
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: the history and it's like, just look at the simple facts.

1209
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: A white green beret, white former green beret told Colin

1210
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 1: this would this would be appropriate way to to voice

1211
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: your grievments in your protests. And now that got fun too.

1212
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: You don't care about the veterans, Like Chris, I live

1213
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles. I was driving down Savicinti the other

1214
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: day near the v A. What are we talking about?

1215
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 1: We don't care about sucking veterans. You so many homeless

1216
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 1: encampments there are across the city of former veterans who

1217
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: are just spit out and shipped on by this country.

1218
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: And but now because Colin, Kaepernick and Cap put up

1219
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: like a million dollars, are very charitable endeavors when it

1220
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: first happened, and it was like, oh, well that's not enough.

1221
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: It's I'm afraid you don't put up money for ship.

1222
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: And you're trying to tell me a million dollars anybody

1223
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 1: putting up a million for anything? Oh well he makes

1224
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: x amount and that's this is the ship. And I

1225
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 1: see it happened with Lebron, I see it have with staff.

1226
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: I see it having with so many guys when they

1227
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: try to use their platform is basically shut up nigger entertainment.

1228
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear what you have to say

1229
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: about anything other than put that basketball in the basket,

1230
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: throw that football, help me win my fantasy league. Like

1231
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: I don't give a funk about your personal opinions about anything.

1232
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: And that ship is honestly to me is I've gotten older.

1233
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: It's like this is embarrassing, dog, Like this is you

1234
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I see it the same thing

1235
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: in the business side and in the corporate culture, where

1236
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,240
Speaker 1: oh you know, we just can't find talent to black people,

1237
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: like are you looking? And where are you looking? Because

1238
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: I can rattle off thirty to forty to fifty times

1239
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: of black people right now who can easily come in

1240
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 1: and smash other people's jobs. But they don't want to change,

1241
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: like they rather just put up the black square on Instagram,

1242
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: do something special during fucking black hairstry month. Oh hey,

1243
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: half off on hot sauce without you know what I

1244
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: mean that that's how they want to operate. So you know,

1245
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 1: the game is the game. Joe. When I when I

1246
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: listened to you talk, man, I have one thing I

1247
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: want I wanted to ask you. It's like, who do

1248
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: you envision playing the role of Josiah Johnson in your

1249
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 1: life story if you had a chance, Like who who

1250
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: would be the perfect actor to play Joe at this

1251
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: in a movie about you? I mean, if Brian Gumble

1252
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: or grand Gumble has any children, That's probably been the

1253
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: most ideal option. I'm trying to think, because you know,

1254
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I was, I was, I was plumping my

1255
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: younger life. So really, it's gotta be somebody who could

1256
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: who could throw around weight, like you know, we could

1257
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: make an around over Thanksgiving and put on fifteen pounds

1258
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,280
Speaker 1: and then over the course the next three months drop fifty.

1259
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: You know, you know that that's how we kind of

1260
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: get down. So it's somebody who who could be really

1261
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: nimble on that side. But uh, Ship, I don't know,

1262
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: maybe Brian Gumble, I'm trying to think, Uh, Kennedy Meeks,

1263
00:51:54,640 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: maybe I forget. Uh, I could always hear me with

1264
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: fucking you know, just send me photos of people that

1265
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 1: looked like me. I know, I saw somebody at a

1266
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: JORDI had a volleyball practice over at Merrymountain. There was

1267
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: a guy there. He looked just it reminded me of

1268
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: me so much. I took pictures of I'll said him,

1269
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: but this is like a couple of years ago, but

1270
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 1: I do it too, Like I'll see a guy that

1271
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: revised me a year. I like Stafford shot because I

1272
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: know later on I'm gonna show you, buddy man. Uh Man,

1273
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,439
Speaker 1: this conversation has been rivety. Man. I'm gonna talk about

1274
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: though kind of you know as we close it up, Uh,

1275
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:37,760
Speaker 1: your experiences or memorable stories interactions with the late great

1276
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,879
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant. So you know, obviously, and this is ship.

1277
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 1: I look back on it and really really regret and

1278
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: it drives me just to be a better human being

1279
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: every day. But coming up being a Lebron fan, we

1280
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: used to really go at Kobe fans like it was.

1281
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: You know, there was nasty stood on both sides, a

1282
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: lot of hey, a lot of it are all and

1283
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 1: you know how much these two dudes loved each other,

1284
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: rock with each other. You know, every year on Kobe's birthday,

1285
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 1: I posted a clip with Lebron singing Kobe Happy Birthday,

1286
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: just as a reminder that these dudes really really funk

1287
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: with each other heavy and really elevated the game. And

1288
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: I'm so thankful that. You know, when Lebron decided to

1289
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: come to the Laker in the eighteen that was a

1290
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 1: you know, a siminar moment for all of us. Let's

1291
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: put our egos, put our differences the side, Lebron's on

1292
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 1: the Lakers. Now we're we're rocking. Like any you know,

1293
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: I tweeted about this a few times, but any Kobe slander,

1294
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: any negative or anything I've done in the past, that's

1295
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,720
Speaker 1: just all done like nothing but respect for Kobe, his family,

1296
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: this Lakers organization. And it's funny, man. When Lebron first came,

1297
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: everybody was like, you know, you had a lot of

1298
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 1: Laker fans that have supported the move, but a lot

1299
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: of them were like, I mean, he just want to

1300
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: be an actor. He's gonna disrespect the Purple and go

1301
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: he don't really want to be here. You don't care

1302
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: about this, you don't care about that. Fast forward to

1303
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: the year, Our Lord, two thousand, twenty October. In the Bubble, Lebron,

1304
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: you know, helps lead the Lakers are championship, gets that

1305
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: Finals MVP, obviously after Kobe had passed away in January,

1306
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: and even that that moment to know that, you know,

1307
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: hours before Kobe passed, he's literally on the phone with

1308
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: Lebron and some of the guy on the plane congratulating

1309
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: Lebron for passing him, you know, on the all time

1310
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: scoring list, and literally Kobe's last tweet is a salute

1311
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: to Lebron. I mean that's just for me, you know,

1312
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 1: I still cry about that ship to this day and

1313
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: just think about how can I be a better person,

1314
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 1: How can I not get caught up in any of

1315
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: this bullshit? And even like you know, I'll joke around

1316
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: with the m J debates and things like that just

1317
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:20,800
Speaker 1: to piss off Jordan Fancs. I know they're older and

1318
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: they could take it, but you know, when you look

1319
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: at these guys in their contribution to the game, Kobe, Lebron,

1320
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 1: and how much. They just loved each other, revered each other.

1321
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: It really helped me to become a better person. Man.

1322
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: I think about Kobe pretty often, and for me, the

1323
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: highlight of just you know, seeing Kobe and this is funny.

1324
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: I was a Kobe hater at this point. But back

1325
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,919
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eleven Drew League, you know, during

1326
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: the lockout, get a call from our dad, Marcus Johnson.

1327
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,760
Speaker 1: Dad hits me like, YO, come through the Drew League.

1328
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: It's probably like ten am whatever. Come through the Jew

1329
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: League today. You know, Kobe is supposed to come through,

1330
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:52,879
Speaker 1: and I'm being an ass. I'm like that, I don't

1331
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: really give a funk, like you know, I'm trying to

1332
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: be cool, sweet guy, like, uh, I'm a Lebron fan.

1333
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: I ain't going It's funny. I think I him my buddy,

1334
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: Marcus Miles Ludy. Marcus spells his name the same way

1335
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: as Dad. He was named after Dad, you know, the legend.

1336
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 1: Hit up Marcus like, YO, make you go shoot this

1337
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: Kobe game. He's like, no, man, I can't do it.

1338
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,439
Speaker 1: I'm like fuck it. I'll find I'll go up there.

1339
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 1: But go up there and just the energy, the atmosphere

1340
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 1: they were playing at Washington Park still at that point,

1341
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: you know, James Harden was there, DeMar de Rose and

1342
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 1: just like the young crew of guys Market Banks, other

1343
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: dudes at Davis I believe was out there as well.

1344
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 1: That that came out. Everybody pulled up to get this

1345
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: moment to go at Kobe and anybody who's been in

1346
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 1: the Drew League, especially in those Washington Park days. This

1347
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: is not like a traditional game. You got all types

1348
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: of fan fans on the court. You had dudes holding babies,

1349
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: talking shit. You know, I'm interviewing people for the game,

1350
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: like y'all excited to see Kobe, Like, no, we're here

1351
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: to see Casper Ware and casp where he played a

1352
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: long beach State believe was the m VP of the league.

1353
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: That you're a bucket getter, but they have their hometown heroes.

1354
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,720
Speaker 1: They're like, what we're fucking tripping off Kobe. Kobe pulls

1355
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 1: up though, ho Jim fan boys just you know, I'm

1356
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: just just to see him in real life again. I'm

1357
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: moving freely with the camera to the point like the

1358
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 1: Sheriff's come over and be like, yo, you gotta give

1359
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 1: Kobe a little space because I'm on the grills, getting

1360
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: the angles. You know, I'm really gonna get them angles

1361
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: and get them get that good b row. Yeah, to

1362
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 1: see Kobe go out there. James Harden was young at

1363
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: this point, but Harden going at Kobe. They're just going

1364
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: back and forth. And the thing I'll never forget about

1365
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: that game. You know, Kobe came out, he knew, he

1366
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: knew what it was because Kobe played in the Rugger

1367
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: before he played the other spots. He knew what he

1368
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: had to do. His squads down like eight points with

1369
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,760
Speaker 1: like two minutes ago. It's like there's no way, especially

1370
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: the style in the way that they're playing, Like the

1371
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: game has evolved at that point. Lay in the fourth

1372
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: quarter to just kind of all Star game Demark doing

1373
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: three sixties without you know, guys just sucking around. Cops

1374
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: come over to Kobe, like, Coby want to want to

1375
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 1: get you out now, you know, the crowd's gonna be

1376
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: a circus. You know, let's get you to the car.

1377
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: We'll get you out. Kobe looks at the scoreboard like

1378
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: what the game ain't over? Like literally, like you know,

1379
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: he's about to slap the ship out of police officers

1380
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: just for having happening, having the goal, like, are you

1381
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: kidding me? And I think that little the little fire

1382
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,359
Speaker 1: Kobe's asked, like what, like you think about to lose

1383
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: this ship? So Kobe obviously engineers to come back. He

1384
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: gets the ball in the final possession going that harden,

1385
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: and I'm just sitting there. I'm sweating at this point

1386
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: because like, you know what's gonna happen, you know, And

1387
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about the historical perspective of it, just

1388
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: this moment and to actually be here in this gym

1389
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: in southern California on this day, just to witness this fucking,

1390
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 1: you know moment in basketball laur in history. Kobe knocks

1391
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: down the fucking game, win her. Whole crowd goes nuts.

1392
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: And then after that moment, this is like two thousand twelve.

1393
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: So I've got the pan Assignic camera and I've got

1394
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: to transfer the footage over, but I'm missing a chord

1395
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: because I'm like, I'm just gonna shoot the ship. I'll

1396
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: edit it another point. I'm missing a chord. After that point,

1397
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: I'm fucking frankly calling on the homies, like who can

1398
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: I go pull up to? So call my buddy Nolan Martin,

1399
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: who actually worked at k t l A in the

1400
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: news room at that point, Joe my ass over to

1401
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: kt l A and Hollywood was able to transfer the

1402
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 1: footage over, get the clip out, and kind of the

1403
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: rest is history in terms of the Drew League. The

1404
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: next week, I think they went and play it against

1405
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 1: the good Men in d C and kind of just

1406
00:57:57,720 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: spawned that. But you know, we grew up in l A.

1407
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: And this time I always have to tell people, like

1408
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: the Drew, the Drew is um hold on a second, yeah, okay,

1409
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 1: Like the Drew at that point, you know, wasn't the

1410
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 1: league that people know of now, Like you know, the

1411
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: Joe Weekly League was the premier league back in the

1412
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: day for all the pros and god the playoffs, Joe Weekly, Patrick,

1413
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: the Trashes tragically passes away, and you know, the Drew

1414
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: is kind of the last league standing at that point.

1415
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: In addition to the Real Run, which obviously had one

1416
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: of the greatest moments. And you know in the history

1417
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: of basketball, they were getting off back in the day,

1418
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: shot off at the Anthony. But now the Drews basically

1419
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: transformed to the premier basketball league. Everybody from all over

1420
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: the country, all over the world tries to come out

1421
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: here and get it. So just to see the way

1422
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: Dino and that crew has been able to elevate that

1423
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: league and obviously stepped up into the moment because a

1424
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 1: lot of people wouldn't been able to handle that. And

1425
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 1: the league just continued to grow. And shout out to

1426
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: Nate Jones and Camon and a lot of crew working

1427
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: on the digital side behind the scenes, all the people

1428
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 1: are Nike to really elevate and grow this league and

1429
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: do something just tremendous for the community. But really, Lebron

1430
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: came that summer, k d came that summer, but Abe

1431
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: coming that summer put the Drew League on the map

1432
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: and putting on a trajectory now where it's still the

1433
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: premier league in the summertime. Yeah, I'll tell you, man,

1434
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: when when we talk about Kobe, Man, it's fascinating. When

1435
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: I talked to everyone and I asked him this question.

1436
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: I've asked, you know, fifty sixty people over the last

1437
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: five months just their feelings and thoughts on Kobe, and

1438
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 1: overwhelmingly the sentiment has been um a lot about a

1439
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: lot of stories that you didn't hear, a lot of

1440
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: things that you don't see, a lot of stuff that

1441
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: happens behind the scenes. Mark Spears talked to me yesterday

1442
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 1: about how Kobe was congratulating Mark on his new position

1443
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 1: when he started joining The Undefeated. But it was on

1444
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: Kobe's jersey retirement night, and Kobe had the you know,

1445
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: the awareness to be like Mark, congratulations on your new gig,

1446
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: you know, in the tunnel, and Marks like, man, you

1447
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 1: know you did two charges in the rafters, and this

1448
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 1: dude is congratulating me. But Monty Jones talked about how

1449
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: at the charity game that they played after Katrina, and

1450
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember that, but it was

1451
00:59:57,600 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 1: on T and T. It was like but Monty's first gig.

1452
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 1: But Kobe just made life for him very easy. On

1453
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: the interview, he was intimidating, He was a little nervous,

1454
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 1: and this and that. Do you have like did you

1455
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 1: were you I'm trying to remember because I know we

1456
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:13,959
Speaker 1: have basketball stuff with Kobe, but did you have any

1457
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: other kind of personal interactions with Kobe that we haven't

1458
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: talked about before that I don't know about, I mean,

1459
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 1: other than the only thing I think of it to

1460
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 1: your point, just how gracial, humble he was after that game.

1461
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 1: Everybody in the locker room. Again it's the Drew League,

1462
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: so you know, traditional things like that, and like no,

1463
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 1: I won't give a funk, Cooby, give me this, let

1464
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: me take a pick, come do this, but that wanted

1465
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: to grab a picture with him, so Kobe, you know,

1466
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: just come on, yeah, come on, yeah, come on, the

1467
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 1: old legend, you know. But him seeing Dad and you

1468
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: know Dad, Dad is a legend. But Dad feels like,

1469
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: you know, people don't recognize. And remember I got Dad

1470
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 1: on camera trying to you know, he's kind of edging

1471
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 1: his way over to Kobe. We're trying to still be sweet.

1472
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 1: But Kobe sees him right away, what's up? Oh g

1473
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: just gives him love. And for me it was like,

1474
01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: you know, I touched my heart because you know, just

1475
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: just knowing that the respect that Kobe had for the

1476
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 1: game man. But you know, seeing him play against you

1477
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: U c l A back in the days, coming as

1478
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:07,919
Speaker 1: like a seventeen eighteen year old and knowing you didn't

1479
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 1: really give a funk, like you know, you were punky

1480
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: dudes at the men's gym. That was just it doesn't

1481
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 1: matter of Paul Hears whoever, the funk's coming through there.

1482
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: You know, I don't care. I'm giving you buckets. I'm

1483
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: going at you. But to see the way Kobe wouldn't

1484
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 1: back down and at that moment, and that was always

1485
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: my barometer for Hooper's Like if Chris, can you know,

1486
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 1: not not fucking break them their spirits mentally, because I've

1487
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 1: seen you break a lot of Hooper spirits guys that

1488
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't think that would get broken mentally

1489
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 1: like that. And this is a more testament to yourself

1490
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 1: as well. But when you would go ahead, dudes, because

1491
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 1: you didn't give a fun So when you go out

1492
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 1: doing no situation you have you said late, it's my

1493
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: home campus. I don't give a funk who you are

1494
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 1: do I'm trying to give you buckets and to just

1495
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: have that you know, it doesn't matter who it was.

1496
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: At the point where magic we have to step in, Yo, Chris,

1497
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 1: you have Magic Johnson trying to calm you down in

1498
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: the middle. But just people, don't you know, like these

1499
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 1: are normal situations that would happen in those games, like

1500
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 1: come on, Christian, you know, imagice fun your jobs to

1501
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: try to chill you out, but but to see you

1502
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 1: trying to really, you know, take Kobe's manhood and really

1503
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 1: punk him and Kobe not back down as a seventeen

1504
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:09,919
Speaker 1: eighteen year old. For me, it's always just a moment

1505
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:11,919
Speaker 1: where it's like, Yo, this dude is the real dude.

1506
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 1: I don't know how his career is gonna pan out,

1507
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 1: but I know if he can get past that heardle

1508
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 1: of deal because I haven't seen you. You have dudes

1509
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 1: who thought they were tougher ship and they leave that

1510
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 1: gym literally about to cry. You know, you see you

1511
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 1: see the bitch in their heart come out, you know,

1512
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: and it's like, damn, I thought this dude was tough

1513
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 1: like but but but but I was even shocked. And

1514
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 1: then in that moment, man, when he was looking at

1515
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: me because like you're saying, well, the situation happened, he

1516
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 1: had just tip dunked on me and kind of was

1517
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: looking at me. Dad was under the basket and ship

1518
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: and this is under the basket, Dad is just Kobe

1519
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: tip dunk's on me. I kind of look at that

1520
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 1: Dad kind of like like, you know, get get the side.

1521
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 1: I look, and then Kobe was kind of looking behind,

1522
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 1: like looking running back but looking I was like, oh,

1523
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 1: hell no, so you know, I just you know, immaturely.

1524
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: I would have run and fight. I would have do

1525
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 1: all this stuff. So as I'm running towards Kobe, all

1526
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 1: I see is Kobe right now. All of a sudden,

1527
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 1: I see Magic kind of slide into the picture. Chris

1528
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 1: hey Man. He laught my young boy, like, don't do nothing.

1529
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,439
Speaker 1: So I run into Magic and I'm like swinging trying

1530
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 1: to get Kobe. So then that kind of happens, and

1531
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 1: I had a thing against him. Fast forward to my

1532
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 1: senior year though, I played in the Matthew Johnson Mid

1533
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 1: Summer nice classic. Guess who my coach was. Kobe Bryant.

1534
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 1: So I go in the game. He puts me in.

1535
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 1: I come in as a sub man. I had probably

1536
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 1: fourteen points and eight minutes, dog busting like three deep threes,

1537
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 1: you know, dudes trying to guardment. I was just turning

1538
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 1: the form out. It was like a time out. I'm

1539
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 1: down at the other end. There was like, you know,

1540
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 1: I think a free throw or something was happening. All

1541
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I hear the whistle. He like gave

1542
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 1: me the whistle. What you know, look down It was Kobe.

1543
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 1: Kobe's looking He's on the bench, you know, in his

1544
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 1: coach with his fro with his suit. He's like, keep

1545
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 1: shooting that ship, boy, keep shooting that sh it. I

1546
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 1: was like, I was like, it was one of the

1547
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 1: greatest moments. It was one of the greatest because this

1548
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 1: is Frobe Kobe. So this is like Kobe won the

1549
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 1: duck contest and just he had just I think grew

1550
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 1: it out or just something happened, but he was killer

1551
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 1: and he and he was like, man, keep shooting that stuff.

1552
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 1: That interaction. He showed me love at the All Star

1553
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 1: Game in two thousand and one. I believe it was

1554
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 1: in l A or four. Two thousand and four. It

1555
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 1: was in l A. It was a big media scrum.

1556
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:13,919
Speaker 1: He saw me made sure to look in the camera.

1557
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 1: I got the footage. But if it's like this big

1558
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 1: scrub and I'm like next to Steve, I'm like the

1559
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 1: Stewart Scott and some other dudes kind of hanging over

1560
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 1: in the scrum, and Kobe made sure to like look

1561
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 1: at me when he was answering. So he showed me

1562
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: like those type of love, which which also gets comes

1563
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 1: back to your point about how we we felt bad

1564
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 1: about all the years that we were lebron fans and

1565
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 1: sort of positioning our arguments and sort of hating on

1566
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 1: Kobe versus really uplifting the guy. I mean, Joe, I'll

1567
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 1: be honest with you, there's like years of basketball that

1568
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 1: I didn't watch of Kobe Bryant that I have to

1569
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 1: go back and see so I can be reminded of

1570
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 1: like the two thousands, the year he had autumn threes

1571
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 1: and autumn three forty point games. I didn't watch none

1572
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 1: of that. Bro. I was like, I'm not watching this.

1573
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 1: I'm off Kobe. I was mad he left Shock and

1574
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 1: he made Shock leave. I was so immature. And then

1575
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 1: the fast forward to the game against his last game, Joe,

1576
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 1: I literally I broke down. He hit that last shot Dog,

1577
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 1: you know, the two dribble pull up jumper, and I

1578
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 1: just like to start crying, man, because it was just

1579
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 1: like I was just like I couldn't believe it. I

1580
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 1: was just in a state of awe, of shock and

1581
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 1: of just reverence for like truly one of the greatest

1582
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 1: to have to pick up a basketball. Dog. That was

1583
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 1: the first time I felt old, you know what I mean,

1584
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 1: Like yeah, but really old, like seeing somebody's whole career

1585
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 1: through from seventeen eighteen years old that dynamics and to

1586
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 1: your point, still wasn't really a big Laker fan at

1587
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 1: that moment. But I'll still watch that game and cry

1588
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 1: because it reminded me so much of the Drew Leigue

1589
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 1: game man from five years earlier, where it's like, then,

1590
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 1: there's no way to lose this game. He's gonna go

1591
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 1: out on a sour note. You know, obviously Lagers didn't

1592
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 1: have a great year that season, but all that ship

1593
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 1: does not matter. You don't care anything about that. And

1594
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 1: then obviously delivering the speech after with the Momba out

1595
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 1: and you know, as a hooper and somebody who's building

1596
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 1: these spaces and done media and ship like that. You know,

1597
01:05:57,800 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 1: this is real life, right, no takes like this is

1598
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 1: just straight who you are and have to go out there,

1599
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 1: you know, to give a speech after doing all that ship.

1600
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 1: But one of the best speechs I think I've ever seen.

1601
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: I mean, this is you know what I mean, Like

1602
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 1: we do these possible flub stuff all on words whatever,

1603
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 1: This is like real life. There was no you know,

1604
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 1: I just had to play a game, bust these dudes

1605
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 1: asked the last thing I might ever played, and now

1606
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: to give this speech. So eloquently for Lakers fans just

1607
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 1: to hold on too. And at that moment, I think

1608
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 1: everything shifted. It's like, you know, because we were doing

1609
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 1: the thing we would call him Bryant just to disrespect

1610
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 1: Lakers fans and get them mad. Everything was Bryant, this

1611
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 1: Bryant that instead of caring of Kobe, but also the

1612
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 1: level of respect though it was never it's like you

1613
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 1: could be a hitter, but I mean, you know, I

1614
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 1: always have the most tremendous amount respect for when he

1615
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 1: was able to do in the basketball courting his leadership

1616
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 1: and went in the rings. And now to see Lebron

1617
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: following in that footstep of the Momba mentality and Lebron

1618
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 1: coming through and helping carry that tradition, it's like, yeah,

1619
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 1: we gotta shut that ship up. That those conversations are over.

1620
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 1: I don't really when people are like co code, where

1621
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 1: is Kobe going to go to bate Kobe kind of

1622
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:59,919
Speaker 1: on his own thing right now, he's not. We don't

1623
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 1: discussed like whatever your field, whatever, Like he did whatever

1624
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 1: you need to do twenty years in l A. You

1625
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 1: know more than happy calling them to go like that's

1626
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 1: fucking you know what it is like you know, to

1627
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 1: see to be able to stand by that franchise. And

1628
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 1: I had this vision man of him and Lebron when

1629
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 1: Lebron first came, like hebe could just come back play

1630
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 1: fourth quarters, Kobe just pull up it like halftime, get

1631
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 1: get you get sweat in, but we need your third

1632
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 1: fourth quarter. Play about get to all the fifteen minutes

1633
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 1: come drop ten, you know, ten and four whatever. But

1634
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 1: you know, it would have been tremendous just to have

1635
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 1: that that level support. You've seen it now with a

1636
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 1: lot of these old guys that are that on the

1637
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 1: Laker squad. But you know, obviously you know, unable to happen.

1638
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 1: But just just something kind of the back of my

1639
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 1: head was like, you know, as if a Bron fan

1640
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 1: would love to see but I would say that they'd

1641
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 1: be like, I mean, oh I wished up the Bron need.

1642
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 1: It's like, I just want to see two elite level

1643
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 1: dudes who together for are you talking about? Those same

1644
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 1: people have no problem with the dance or the the

1645
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 1: Warriors super teams or any of that ship. But of

1646
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 1: course you brought these helps. Oh man, that would have

1647
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 1: been amazing. Joe, Joe Man, we appreciate you. Man, We've

1648
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 1: been going about an hour and ten minutes. Brother, I

1649
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 1: think we're gonna shut it down here, man. Thank you

1650
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 1: for your time today, bro. We are looking forward to

1651
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 1: everything that you've got going uh, for the rest of

1652
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 1: this year, next year, and beyond. October twenty nine, Colin

1653
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 1: in Black and White on Netflix, Josiah Johnson, Writer, producer,

1654
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:26,080
Speaker 1: executive produced by Ava Duverney and Colin and Michael Starberry

1655
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 1: and that old crew and and everybody over there. Josiah Johnson,

1656
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 1: thank you so much, Joe for showing up today. Appreciate you.

1657
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 1: I look forward to doing more. It is. Yeah, we

1658
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 1: just need to go ahead, get this ship cracking, because

1659
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 1: you know, we be veering off topic and ship and

1660
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:41,599
Speaker 1: just but that's the game. But the topics be nice,

1661
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 1: the beers be nice. I think we own this stuff, bro.

1662
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 1: I think we're all the stuffing our bags until the

1663
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 1: next time. This is kJ Live King Josiah Johnson. We

1664
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:51,800
Speaker 1: out