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Speaker 2: After nine days in court, the State of Georgia versus
Speaker 2: Jan Barry Sandlin for the murder of Matthew Goulder had
Speaker 2: gone to the jury.
Speaker 3: Every juror in every criminal trial has the responsibility to
Speaker 3: evaluate the evidence to make sure that the state has
Speaker 3: proved the defendant's guilt beyond a reasonable doubts. So I
Speaker 3: suspect that they were singularly focused on is there enough
Speaker 3: evidence to demonstrate that Jan Barry Sandlin committed this crime?
Speaker 2: I'm Nancy glam and this is Burden of Guilt, Episode seven.
Speaker 2: Are you kidding Me? After one day, on one night
Speaker 2: the jury returned. Prosecutor Lie and Mangun didn't have any
Speaker 2: idea which way the decision would go.
Speaker 3: There have been trials in the course of my life
Speaker 3: where I thought I certainly had provided enough evidence to
Speaker 3: demonstrate a defendant guilt and it was a not guilty verdict,
Speaker 3: and then other ones that felt like a much closer
Speaker 3: call that were a guilty verdict.
Speaker 4: Have you completed the verdict? Would you hand it to
Speaker 4: the deputy and let him pass it to me?
Speaker 5: Please?
Speaker 4: This is a three count indict much. I'll read the
Speaker 4: verdict on each of the three counts. Count one is
Speaker 4: the malice murder count. The verdict of the jury. We
Speaker 4: the jury found the defendant Jan Barry Sandlin not guilty
Speaker 4: of count one.
Speaker 2: Lead Assistant District Attorney Jeff Brickman.
Speaker 6: When the verdict was rad count one malice murder, Jerry
Speaker 6: found him not guilty.
Speaker 2: Malice murder, meaning that there was an intent to kill.
Speaker 6: My stomach dropped, Leanne's did everybody in our office? I
Speaker 6: can assure you did. As a prosecutor. When count one
Speaker 6: is not guilty, bad thoughts start happening.
Speaker 4: Count two is a fella in the murder. We the
Speaker 4: jury find the defendant guilty of count two. Count three
Speaker 4: is a fellow in the murder. Count We the jury
Speaker 4: find the defendant guilty of Count three.
Speaker 2: Guilty with mandatory state sentencing guidelines. Judge Fuller went directly
Speaker 2: to the next step.
Speaker 4: Council, what are your thoughts on sentence and of the states?
Speaker 5: Ready now if the court would let to proceed at this.
Speaker 2: Time, Defense counsel Krin Mall could not resist another chance
Speaker 2: to show her disdain.
Speaker 5: You might as well the misery out of the way.
Speaker 2: You might as well get the misery out of the way.
Speaker 2: If Karen thought it was misery, Racy Raquel thought it
Speaker 2: was justice that was finally delivered for the vicious murder
Speaker 2: of Matthew. It was the culmination of a decade's long
Speaker 2: struggle with family secrets, a solitary search for answers, and
Speaker 2: years of collecting evidence, and all this was due to
Speaker 2: the work of one brave girl who never forgot her
Speaker 2: baby brother.
Speaker 4: Saleh, You've been found guilty of two counts of fell
Speaker 4: Any murder. Each of those two counts. Are are sent
Speaker 4: you to life imprisonment.
Speaker 2: The court room was quiet. There were no eruptions. Len
Speaker 2: Manguin describes the moment.
Speaker 3: It's hard because it's not a celebratory feeling when a
Speaker 3: jury reaches a guilty verdict. I remember being glad for Tracy,
Speaker 3: and glad for Kathy, and glad that the person who
Speaker 3: was in my mind unquestionably responsible for Matthew's death, had
Speaker 3: been found guilty.
Speaker 2: Local and national media covered the verdict. Tracy riquel wasn't
Speaker 2: interested in notoriety. She didn't talk that day, but Kathy spoke.
Speaker 6: Kathy Allman says the trial has been emotionally draining, but
Speaker 6: she finally feels relief after her ex husband's conviction.
Speaker 5: Yes, I'm most definite right, Ernie.
Speaker 7: He was on drugs at the time he beat me
Speaker 7: for nine and a half years.
Speaker 5: That he's where he needs to be.
Speaker 1: Do you remember the moment you heard the judge say guilty.
Speaker 8: There was a huge sense of relief and validation.
Speaker 2: Knowing Tracy Riquela as I do now, I was unsurprised
Speaker 2: when Leanne reached into her case file and pulled out
Speaker 2: a card that she received after the trial. It's something
Speaker 2: she's kept all these years and was happy to read
Speaker 2: to us.
Speaker 3: Delianne, it has been more than a year since I
Speaker 3: received that first phone call from you telling me you
Speaker 3: would be handling this case. It was, after all worth it.
Speaker 3: Good luck with your very bright future. I feel fortunate
Speaker 3: to have known you. You helped me to heal and
Speaker 3: to grow.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 3: I will be telling my children about you best wishes,
Speaker 3: Tracy Rain.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't it be nice if Jan Berry Sandlm was carted
Speaker 2: off to prison and the story ended there well. Shortly
Speaker 2: after Jan's conviction came the You've got to be kidding
Speaker 2: me moment.
Speaker 8: After Jan's conviction, I got a phone call saying that
Speaker 8: he'd been granted the new trial.
Speaker 9: In the motion for new trial, the defense attorney Corin
Speaker 9: Mall said that she was incompetent.
Speaker 2: Listening to the trial. You could describe Carin in many ways,
Speaker 2: but incompetent would not be one of them. Now, she
Speaker 2: was saying, she provided Jan Barry Sanlm with ineffective assistance
Speaker 2: of counsel. We told you that an autopsy had been
Speaker 2: performed at the funeral home two days after Matthew died.
Speaker 2: The autopsy was performed by doctor Robert Stivers. After Sandlm
Speaker 2: was convicted, Doctor Stivers called public defender Malling why he
Speaker 2: hadn't been contacted to testify during the trial. Even more puzzling,
Speaker 2: why his calls to her directly during the trial had
Speaker 2: been ignored. Stivers had taken photographs of Matthew with bruises
Speaker 2: and stress fractures that he said indicated the death was
Speaker 2: an accident. It was how he felt in nineteen seventy one,
Speaker 2: and his feelings hadn't changed. Corin Male lobbied for a
Speaker 2: new trial, saying she had failed her client by not
Speaker 2: calling doctor Stivers to testify. Her excuse was that a
Speaker 2: colleague told her that doctor Stivers was ill. Maybe that
Speaker 2: was true, but Corin Maul struck everyone as someone who
Speaker 2: would go to the ends of the earth for a client,
Speaker 2: So it didn't really make sense.
Speaker 9: I know, miss mal she's a very good public defender,
Speaker 9: and for her to say she was ineffective in that
Speaker 9: second trial only because her client was found guilty of
Speaker 9: a crime that he committed.
Speaker 2: Stivers had personal problems that derailed his career. Alcoholism lost
Speaker 2: him his medical license. Could that be the reason he
Speaker 2: wasn't previously called to testify? Did she view him as unreliable?
Speaker 9: Again? Judge Fuller granted.
Speaker 2: It, and that meant a third trial. The prosecutor's office
Speaker 2: was flabbergasted. And as for Tracy Raquel.
Speaker 8: I just thought this is never going to end, like
Speaker 8: we're just going to do this. I guess so okay,
Speaker 8: And he had a new lawyer, and this lawyer had
Speaker 8: taken the case because he wanted the publicity.
Speaker 2: Steve Sadau was a young, successful criminal defense attorney. He
Speaker 2: took the case pro bono.
Speaker 10: The reason I got involved in the case is because
Speaker 10: ego wise, I thought that I could try it better
Speaker 10: than anyone else could, and if he stood any chance
Speaker 10: to win, it would be with me.
Speaker 2: Decades later, Steve Sadao is still a force in Georgia.
Speaker 2: Former President Donald Trump recently hired him to fight conspiration
Speaker 2: charges associated with the twenty twenty election. This time there
Speaker 2: was a new prosecution team, Ada Lawrence Delon opened with
Speaker 2: this Matthew Stephen Golder laughed out loud for the first
Speaker 2: time for his mother on December twenty seventh, nineteen seventy one.
Speaker 2: Little did she know it would be his last. Defense
Speaker 2: attorney Steve Saydau made his opening statement and immediately referenced
Speaker 2: all the doubt the jury would confront no murder weapon,
Speaker 2: no witness, no DNA. The jury would hear from doctor
Speaker 2: Robert Stuivers, the medical examiner who had performed the autopsy
Speaker 2: on Matthew just two days after he died.
Speaker 10: The state's case was clearly that Sandlin had done something.
Speaker 10: I believe there was equal evidence based on his prior
Speaker 10: statement to police that Tracy had, for whatever reason, accidentally
Speaker 10: or otherwise pushed the baby out of the crew. That
Speaker 10: doesn't make Tracy homicidal. It just means the incident or
Speaker 10: event occurred.
Speaker 2: Steve Saido proved to be a thorough and well prepared attorney,
Speaker 2: but Kathy seemed to get under his skin.
Speaker 10: Kathy was very emotional on the stand. I say this
Speaker 10: with all due respect because I don't know her. She
Speaker 10: played her part well.
Speaker 2: During the first two trials, Tracy Riquel had avoided any
Speaker 2: direct contact with jan other than the threatening phone calls
Speaker 2: he made to her home. This time was different.
Speaker 8: I was sitting on a bench outside the courtroom, and
Speaker 8: I just happened to be sitting on the side that's
Speaker 8: closest to where they bring the defend it out and out.
Speaker 8: He came through the store to my right, and they
Speaker 8: walked up to the elevator and pushed the button, and
Speaker 8: he was kind of snickering and you know, happy as
Speaker 8: can be. He didn't know it was there. I just
Speaker 8: don't know what came over me. I stood up and
Speaker 8: I stood there and as they stepped into the elevator.
Speaker 8: They turned around, and I think all three of them
Speaker 8: had a moment of shock. But he just looked like
Speaker 8: a deer in headlights, which is not something I ever saw.
Speaker 8: I just took two steps forward and just source stood there.
Speaker 8: I didn't say anything, but it was kind of this
Speaker 8: moment that yeah, I'm okay, I'm not afraid of you anymore.
Speaker 5: I mean, you never make the.
Speaker 8: Nightmares go away, but that person, you can't hurt me,
Speaker 8: So I thought it was kind of a big moment
Speaker 8: for me.
Speaker 2: Inside the courtroom, defense attorney Steve Saydau spent hours grilling
Speaker 2: doctor Joe Burton. Still, no matter what the defense tried,
Speaker 2: he was steadfast.
Speaker 11: I've never been certain about certain about a lot of things.
Speaker 11: I do forensically, very few things, as a matter of fact,
Speaker 11: But I'm as close to one hundred percent certain as
Speaker 11: they could be that these fractures in this child, as
Speaker 11: I see them, could not have occurred from falling out
Speaker 11: of a bed onto a carpeted floor.
Speaker 2: The star witness for the defense was doctor Robert Stivers.
Speaker 2: His absence from the first and second trials was the
Speaker 2: reason for the third trial, and his appearance was not
Speaker 2: without controversy. It was noted that he wasn't licensed at
Speaker 2: the time of the trial. Nevertheless, he was accepted as
Speaker 2: an expert witness by the court, and in his opinion,
Speaker 2: Matthew's injuries had been the result of an accident. Tensions
Speaker 2: were running high in the courthouse. While on a break,
Speaker 2: Kathy let doctor Stivers know what she thought of his testimony.
Speaker 8: He went downstairs, you know, to leave the building for line,
Speaker 8: and there were a few people in my family who,
Speaker 8: you know, sort of gave him their two cents on
Speaker 8: what he had said. And he came back to the
Speaker 8: court room after lunch and told the judge and had
Speaker 8: us all kicked out, so nobody was allowed in the
Speaker 8: quirt room.
Speaker 2: The Kathy admitted to the judge she told doctor Stivers,
Speaker 2: by God, you'll pay for what you've done. But now
Speaker 2: Tracy Riquel couldn't be in the courtroom. She actually didn't
Speaker 2: have to worry. Doctor Stivers was a witness, but not
Speaker 2: a star. It wasn't smooth testimony, and it certainly didn't
Speaker 2: rival the expert testimony of doctor Burton.
Speaker 10: The medical examiner's testimony was simply devastating, and we could
Speaker 10: not overcome it. We didn't have an expert to do so,
Speaker 10: couldn't find an expert to do so.
Speaker 2: Jan Berry Sandlin received a new trial, but was left
Speaker 2: with the same outcome, guilty. He was convicted a second
Speaker 2: time by a new jury.
Speaker 10: We could not find someone who would come in and
Speaker 10: testify that the injuries were consistent with falling out of
Speaker 10: a crew. The problem is finding an expert who's willing
Speaker 10: to get on the witness stand and testify that under
Speaker 10: these horrible circumstances this is a reasonable possibility and then
Speaker 10: have to live with that as an expert. From that
Speaker 10: point on.
Speaker 2: It also makes me wonder, why wouldn't anybody say that,
Speaker 2: is it possible he couldn't have died from flying.
Speaker 12: Out of the crypt?
Speaker 10: Is certainly the state's position, and what the jury must
Speaker 10: have ultimately believed is that they proved beyond a reasonable
Speaker 10: doubt that it could not have happened the way Jan
Speaker 10: Sandlin had previously said it did.
Speaker 2: District Attorney J.
Speaker 9: Tom Morgan, this case was not won or lost by
Speaker 9: the attorneys, Mister sada Al, it's a great trial lawyer.
Speaker 9: The jury looked at the evidence, and the evidence is
Speaker 9: what convicted Jan Berry Sutlin.
Speaker 2: It was over. It was really over. In courtroom footage,
Speaker 2: you can see Tracy Roquel seated near Cathy for the verdict.
Speaker 2: After it was read, her head disappeared into her lap.
Speaker 2: Cathy tried to comfort her and for a moment they
Speaker 2: shared an embrace. But then you see Tracy Raquel slide
Speaker 2: down the bench. It was like she suddenly remembered something
Speaker 2: she couldn't trust that hug and the courtroom started to
Speaker 2: empty out and in the footage you can also see
Speaker 2: that jan Berry Sandlin had lost the swagger of the
Speaker 2: first two trials and looked small. He stopped trying to
Speaker 2: make eye contact with everyone and seemed intent on leaving
Speaker 2: as quickly as he could. This wasn't fun for him anymore.
Speaker 2: Tracy Raquel had a chief Justice for Matthew a second time,
Speaker 2: but her work wasn't done. The feeling of relief was fleeting.
Speaker 2: There were two other people Tracy Roquel had been thinking
Speaker 2: about for years. They were close to her heart, and
Speaker 2: although she had never met either of them, she felt
Speaker 2: intimately connected to both. Tracy Riquel believes they both could
Speaker 2: have been killed by her father. Neither one of them
Speaker 2: has received the attention that Matthew's case has. One was
Speaker 2: a police officer. I'll tell you about him in a bit.
Speaker 2: The other was Jan's first wife, nineteen year old Nancy Tigeter.
Speaker 2: Like Kathy, she was a teenager who fell for Jan
Speaker 2: before she realized he was a violent man. Jan married
Speaker 2: Nancy but was seeing Kathy on the side. Then Nancy
Speaker 2: supposedly committed suicide by shooting herself in the abdomen. She
Speaker 2: was pregnant with another man's baby at the time. We
Speaker 2: met her best friend from high school at Jackie Wilson.
Speaker 2: She had first hand knowledge of their relationship.
Speaker 12: Jan was abusive to her when they were in the
Speaker 12: apartment when it was just her and him. And I
Speaker 12: only know that because that's what she'd say. She said, No,
Speaker 12: I can't. Jan wouldn't be tail out of me. What
Speaker 12: way he'd hit her, I don't know. There was a
Speaker 12: couple of times she had bruises on her face.
Speaker 2: According to Jackie, the night Nancy killed herself, she was
Speaker 2: meeting with Jan to try and work out their differences.
Speaker 12: Nancy just thought that because she'd had Jaybird, she was
Speaker 12: supposed to make it work.
Speaker 2: J Bird was Jay Salmon. Nancy and Jan's son.
Speaker 12: Jaybird is what his mommy called hi, but it's what
Speaker 12: I'm called him since the day was born.
Speaker 2: Jackie Wilson was supposed to meet Nancy the morning after
Speaker 2: she died.
Speaker 12: I went over to pick her up to go and
Speaker 12: found out she wasn't here anymore.
Speaker 2: Jackie was pretty straightforward about her feelings about Jan.
Speaker 12: The reality was I wasn't there, so all I could
Speaker 12: do was say, I don't want them around, and I
Speaker 12: don't wanting around Jaybird either, And mister miss Tagatter told
Speaker 12: me that they did not want Jay to dislike or
Speaker 12: his father.
Speaker 2: In the conversation Tracy Raquel taped with Kathy, the topic
Speaker 2: of Jan's first wife, Nancy, had surfaced. You heard this
Speaker 2: in episode three, and the District Attorney's office also became
Speaker 2: aware of the conversation when it happened.
Speaker 5: But you don't think he was responsible for killing her?
Speaker 7: Yes?
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 5: Do you mean you actually think he pulled the trigger.
Speaker 12: I don't know if he actually pulled the trigger or
Speaker 12: if he talked her into pulling the trigger, but I
Speaker 12: think either way he's responsible. Jan Sandlin, in my book,
Speaker 12: either killed her himself or.
Speaker 11: Cost to happen.
Speaker 12: Just in my life, he was the last person that
Speaker 12: actually saw her.
Speaker 2: Medical examiner doctor Joe Burton, was interested in investigating the case.
Speaker 2: There was some suspicion aspects to her suicide. A sheet
Speaker 2: was wrapped around her after she died. She had shot
Speaker 2: herself in the abdomen. Investigator Jim Maybe found that very odd.
Speaker 7: Well, someone wants to commit suicide, they want no pain involved.
Speaker 7: To shoot yourself in the abdomen. You might not die,
Speaker 7: you might just sit there and suffer. That bothered me
Speaker 7: my experience as a forensic death destigator. Of all the
Speaker 7: cases that I've worked, which is over five thousand cases,
Speaker 7: I've never had a woman sheet herself in the abdomen,
Speaker 7: especially pregnant.
Speaker 2: And the suicide note didn't ring true.
Speaker 8: The suicide note was inconsistent, lots of misspellings, according to
Speaker 8: her family, not consistent with who she was.
Speaker 2: While doctor Burton and Decab County were prepared to take
Speaker 2: another look at Nancy's death, they ran into a wall.
Speaker 2: Tercy Riquel explains.
Speaker 8: Nancy Taggert's family absolutely had an opportunity to reopen that
Speaker 8: case after Matthew's case and her son my half brother.
Speaker 8: He really wanted that and the family absolutely did not
Speaker 8: want that. They didn't want to talk about it, and
Speaker 8: because he loved them and was so close to them,
Speaker 8: he just shut it down.
Speaker 2: The thought of recreating the crime scene and possibly exhuming
Speaker 2: her body it was just too much for her parents.
Speaker 2: People grieve in different ways, but Jan did not appear
Speaker 2: to mourn the loss of his first wife, Nancy.
Speaker 8: He literally moved in with Kathy and Matthew and I
Speaker 8: Right after that.
Speaker 2: Jan and Nancy's son Jay, respected his grandparents' wishes. They
Speaker 2: were more like his parents. They had raised him. He
Speaker 2: loved them. Now that they have passed, he would be
Speaker 2: open to someone looking into his mother's death again. But
Speaker 2: the team that was willing to do that twenty five
Speaker 2: years ago is long go. But Tracy Raquel has not forgotten.
Speaker 2: Let me talk to you about William David Corn. Okay,
Speaker 2: William David Korn was a police officer who was shot
Speaker 2: to death. His case was never solved, you wrote on
Speaker 2: a Fallen Officer website. Officer William David Korn has been
Speaker 2: linked to my soul, along with Matthew Golder and Nancy
Speaker 2: Tegetter for forty two years. I spent nearly thirty years
Speaker 2: fighting for justice for all three, but I was only
Speaker 2: able to find it for Matthew. There's a connection between
Speaker 2: them all. I'm sorry for the pain and unanswered questions
Speaker 2: that Officer Korn's family still has. I was only two
Speaker 2: years old when Officer William David Corn was killed. I
Speaker 2: never knew him, but I've always loved him and always
Speaker 2: will Signed Tracy Golder, someone who knows, and you wrote
Speaker 2: that in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 8: My life growing up as a child, Kathy. You know,
Speaker 8: there's very specific things that she has said, and that's her.
Speaker 5: Story, like it's never changed.
Speaker 8: Kathy always said that Jan was responsible for Nancy's death
Speaker 8: because he came home to her that night.
Speaker 5: So I knew about Nancy Tageer like very very young.
Speaker 8: And then the other thing that Kathy would always say
Speaker 8: is yeah, he also killed that police officer.
Speaker 2: You may remember, I went to speak with Kathy Ahman
Speaker 2: to see what she had to say.
Speaker 7: I really can't get drawn into Tracy's fantasies anymore.
Speaker 5: She has been lying in torturing me for thirty years.
Speaker 12: I can't take it anymore.
Speaker 1: What do you mean, Kathy? What is she lying about.
Speaker 2: Everything that police Officer William David Korn was only twenty
Speaker 2: four years old when he was shot through the heart
Speaker 2: while moonlighting at an apartment complex as a security guard
Speaker 2: in the evening. The Decab police chief thought he had
Speaker 2: surprised some burglars in the clubhouse, but nothing was taken.
Speaker 7: Officer Corn was shot multiple times with his own handgun.
Speaker 2: Investigator Jim Maybe was also interested in the case.
Speaker 7: Before I came to the medical Examiner's office, I'd been
Speaker 7: assigned a cold case file where a police officer had
Speaker 7: been killed about the time that her baby brother had
Speaker 7: been killed. And one of the people that I came
Speaker 7: across who became a person of interest in that police
Speaker 7: officer death was being salein.
Speaker 2: Although he died from a shot to the heart, the
Speaker 2: killer shot him in the head after he was already dead.
Speaker 2: Nobody really knows what the connection was between Jan Barry
Speaker 2: Sandlin and William David Korn, but for Jim Maybe.
Speaker 8: Jim Maybe was very certain that Jan was a suspect.
Speaker 8: In fact, he was assigned to that case.
Speaker 7: Me and my partner, you know, we started looking into it.
Speaker 5: Jim Maybe and I have talked about it over the years.
Speaker 8: He would warn me into the late nineties, into the
Speaker 8: early two thousands, that this was too dangerous of a
Speaker 8: subject to get into because it suspected that it had
Speaker 8: to do with Dixie Mafia, because Jan was part of
Speaker 8: that organization.
Speaker 5: I didn't even know who the Dixie Mafia was.
Speaker 2: Tracy Riquel's first husband had a relative in law enforcement,
Speaker 2: and he gave her some information.
Speaker 8: His uncle was FBI and had done some looking into Jan.
Speaker 8: He worked for the FBI for thirty years in organized crime,
Speaker 8: so you knew all about how they worked and functioned.
Speaker 2: Tracy Riquel learned that the Dixie Mafia was an organized
Speaker 2: crime group engaged in a laundry list of crimes including
Speaker 2: illegal gambling, drug trafficking, prostitution, robbery, murder, arson, extortion, and fraud.
Speaker 2: Their preferred method of murder was shooting, and sometimes local
Speaker 2: police and politicians were mixed up in their ranks. Jim
Speaker 2: Mape was set on questioning Jan Berry Sandlin about Officer
Speaker 2: Korn's murder. Sandlan was already serving time in Florida for
Speaker 2: the armed robbery conviction.
Speaker 7: We wanted to go to Florida and talk to him,
Speaker 7: but we got it all together. Came in the next morning,
Speaker 7: told Colonel what are Florida? He said, no, you're not. Huh.
Speaker 7: He says, no, you're not. Why didn't he make sense?
Speaker 7: We waited around, waited around. Captain never came and asked
Speaker 7: us why we were going to first place? So you
Speaker 7: could take it from there.
Speaker 2: Hundreds of police officers lined the streets for Officer Korn's funeral.
Speaker 2: Governor Jimmy Carter donated state money for a reward leading
Speaker 2: to information that would lead to the killer. Tracy Raquel
Speaker 2: grew up feeling there were two people in her household
Speaker 2: who knew what happened to Officer Korn. Kathy openly spoke
Speaker 2: of the incident.
Speaker 8: She would say, he killed that police officer and then
Speaker 8: we drove to Alabama and through the gun in a lake.
Speaker 2: Jan is still alive, still in prison, still aware. Since
Speaker 2: the podcast started, Tracy Riquel has received a threat.
Speaker 8: The threat that I received was basically, if anything happens
Speaker 8: to Jan, We're gonna set you on fire, watch you burn.
Speaker 2: What could Jan be worried about? Maybe knowing what Tracy
Speaker 2: Riquel did for Matthew has made him realize she never
Speaker 2: gives up and he may be held to account again.
Speaker 2: On the next Burden of Guilt, I sit down with
Speaker 2: Tracy Raquel, and we share some stories that are jaw dropping,
Speaker 2: some things that we haven't talked about before.
Speaker 8: I remember Leanne and just calling me and saying, you're
Speaker 8: not going to believe this.
Speaker 12: They got married, ladies and gentle when I present to you,
Speaker 12: mister and missus Jane sadly.
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