1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Previously on Number one Dad. 2 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 2: After dozens of buyers claimed they were cheated, the State 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 2: Attorney General's Office filed suit yesterday against Meter Sales, Inc. 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 3: I'm wondering does he live in our house still? 5 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 2: I'm not sure where he is now, but I can 6 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 2: say that he had a house when I last spoke 7 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 2: with him. 8 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 3: Do you have his phone number? 9 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 2: I deleted his cell phone number, but the old house 10 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 2: phone was working when we last spoke. 11 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 1: It is March ninth, twenty twenty two, and I am 12 00:00:43,920 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: going to call my house phone. 13 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 4: Hello, we are not available now. 14 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 5: Please leave your name and phone number. After the beat, 15 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 5: we will return your club. 16 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 3: My dad, It's Gary. 17 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: I am. I know it's been a long time, but 18 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: I am calling you because I been thinking a lot about. 19 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:24,839 Speaker 6: Memory full. 20 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: Okay, oh boy, I don't know what that means. Apparently 21 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: the message I was just about to leave my dad, 22 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: I guess it's full. So well, I have no idea 23 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: what is going on. I got to figure something out here. 24 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: This is Number one Dad. 25 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 7: I just called my dad. What Yeah, did you talk 26 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 7: to him? 27 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 4: No? 28 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: I was leaving a message and it got fed off. 29 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: I'm like halfway through the message and then it just. 30 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 3: Like just drop the call. 31 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: So I have no idea if if he got it 32 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: at all, I don't know what are you gonna do. 33 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 3: I don't know. I feel like that's not good. 34 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: I know, I feel like I do I call back. 35 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 7: I don't know because I don't fall back. 36 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 8: I mean, I think you just have to like wait 37 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 8: at this point, I don't know, wait and see. Maybe 38 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 8: he'll pull you back. 39 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 7: I don't know. Well, I don't even know. I don't 40 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 7: even know if it went it went through. 41 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: It was just like, oh, well I picked up was 42 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 1: an automated message, Hey buddy, Yeah, I don't know. Well, 43 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: waiting to see if my dad calls me back. I 44 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: did some more digging on the concert pulled over the years. 45 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: As I said in a previous episode Core Record Show, 46 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: he was a defendant or plane if in twenty three 47 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: court cases since nineteen eighty four. 48 00:02:58,360 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 3: But the biggest case he. 49 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: Was ever were involved in was when my father was 50 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 1: sued by AT and T. 51 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 5: You have reached the United States District Court for the 52 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 5: Eastern District of New York for the Clerk's office Press one, 53 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 5: thank you for calling the Eastern District. 54 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 4: Hi. 55 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: I was wondering if I could get case files for 56 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 1: something that happened back in like the nineties. I've never 57 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: done this before, but it's a public case, and I 58 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: was wondering how I could go about finding this information 59 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: before I. 60 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 5: Transchew over and you said, this is dating back nineties. 61 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: Correct, correct, nineteen ninety four through like nineteen ninety. 62 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 4: Five, Brooklyn Courthouse. 63 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: So my father was involved in a case in the 64 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: early nineties, and I'm just trying to get information on 65 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: that case that he was involved in. 66 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 5: Good morning to court. 67 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm looking to pick up docs for a court case. 68 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: Cent transcription for a case that was back in the nineties, 69 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: and I was told to contact your number. 70 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 5: What is the title of the matter? 71 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: The title Veda versus at and t okay. 72 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 5: Very good. These are all documents that preceded electronic filing, 73 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 5: so I would doubt very much that we would have 74 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 5: them here in the court. All right, you should address 75 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 5: a letter to our office, okay, and you can request 76 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 5: that the court ordered the documents and have them sent 77 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 5: back to the courthouse. 78 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 3: Do you know how long this process takes? 79 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 5: As soon as we receive the letter, will get the 80 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 5: information to you. Is it's just a matter of looking 81 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 5: it up in our files that we maintained here, so 82 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 5: we could chenet around in a day and then the 83 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 5: court can make copies for you. It would be fifty 84 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 5: cents per page. You would come to the US Federal 85 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 5: Courthouse in Centralized lovel We're just off of the EXS 86 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 5: forty three A of the Southern State Parkway. 87 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 1: In the early nineties, my father owned and operated a 88 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: small private pay phone come and he called Payphone Plus. 89 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: He'd install payphones in various businesses across Long Island, New 90 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: York City, and New Jersey. But being my father, he 91 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 1: was less than truthful with how he represented himself. From 92 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: what I know, he'd tell people he was an employee 93 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: for AT and T, which was the biggest payphone provider 94 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: back then. Well, AT and T got wind of what 95 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: he was doing and went after him in court to 96 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: shut him down. Before I headed out to Long Island 97 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 1: to pick up the court files, I decided to connect 98 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: with a few people who work with my father back 99 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: then to find out what exactly happened. 100 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 9: Your dad's an interesting person, and there are times I 101 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 9: certainly missed that we're not in touch. 102 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: My cousin Mason grew up in Queens New York, only 103 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 1: a few subway stops away from my father. They would 104 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: see each other all the time as kids and as adults. 105 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: My father's the one who got him involved in the 106 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 1: payphone business. 107 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 7: He was a great cousin growing up. 108 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 9: He had personality, He was funny, he would get things done. 109 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 9: He was considerate at times, but there frequently seemed to 110 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 9: be a motive behind it. Actually got into the business 111 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 9: because your dad. Okay, this is a good example of 112 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 9: where your dad was looking out for me. Well, there 113 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 9: were some enterprising people decided they wanted to be independent 114 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 9: payphone providers. Payphone being something for more ancient history, a 115 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 9: publicly used terminal on the streets where you would walk 116 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 9: up and I remember my earliest days it was ten 117 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 9: cents and then became a quarter and you would make 118 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 9: your call from there. So it was primarily a way 119 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 9: to stay in touch for business people on the road, 120 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 9: and it was pre cell phone days for the most part. 121 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 9: So he had gotten into the payphone business and told 122 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 9: me about it. Your dad was operating his company up 123 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 9: in New York and I was operating my company in 124 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 9: the DC metro area. 125 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 1: I remember him having payphones, I mean his coverage was substantial. 126 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 1: He had most toys, r usses, he had pizza parlors. 127 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 3: He had Bagel Boss. 128 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 1: Which is which is a huge bagel chain on Long Island. 129 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,239 Speaker 1: You'd have payphones and bars, you'd have them, strip clubs, gyms, 130 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, anywhere, any anything that was public 131 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: that at a high volume of people. 132 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 9: I'm surprised he didn't want put up phones in yours 133 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 9: and your sister's rooms growing up. 134 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 7: Because there's a chance. 135 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 9: To make something per call, right, So payphones became an 136 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 9: attractive business for those willing to learn a bit of technology, 137 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 9: a little bit of construction electrical software, and create a 138 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 9: service team to go out maintain phones and collect the money, 139 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 9: count it and deposit it in a bank. 140 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: How do you get approval to put a payphone in 141 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: a restaurant, a bar, or you know, just a public area. 142 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 9: Okay, this is the early days of the payphones. I say, look, 143 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 9: I can provide you quicker service, better service for your customers. 144 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 9: Plus I'll give you a percentage of my revenue and 145 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 9: you let me own and operate my phones and your premises. 146 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 9: So that would have been the pitch that he or 147 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 9: I or almost anybody would have made what were some. 148 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 3: Of the ways you wouldcall How he ran his business. 149 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 9: So he learned the technology first, and he used phones, equipment, 150 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 9: and boards that were manufactured by AT and T. AT 151 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 9: and T was the brand name in communication. I mean, 152 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 9: even to this day, AT and T still has one 153 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 9: of the largest networks of cell phone coverage. 154 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 6: Every day, over thirty million AT and T calls go 155 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 6: through on the first try, thanks to a remarkably intelligent 156 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 6: network that forecast traffic, anticipates tie ups, and determines that 157 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 6: put its way around all in less time than it 158 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 6: takes to dial AT and T the right choice. 159 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 9: He liked having the brand on there, and I remember 160 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 9: one seeing a business card of his that had AT 161 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 9: and T on it, and I don't remember, honestly if 162 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 9: it had Payphone Plus or not. 163 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 7: So I think at some level there. 164 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 9: Might have been the thought on the part of people 165 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 9: who were working with him that he was the phone company. 166 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: Do you ever say anything to him about that, the 167 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: fact that he has a business card for a company 168 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: that he clearly doesn't work for. 169 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 9: Having never been on a sales call with him, I 170 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 9: can't say that he ever told a client or a 171 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:21,719 Speaker 9: prospective customer, hey, I am AT and T. But I 172 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 9: do remember saying to him, when I call your number, 173 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 9: that chime comes up as if it's AT and T. 174 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 7: Are you working for AT and T now? And he 175 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 7: would laugh it off. 176 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 9: So I was under the impression that being confused with 177 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 9: the big brand in terms of providing that phone service 178 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 9: to customers was of interest to him. I said, sooner 179 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 9: or later, aren't they going to come after you? This 180 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 9: is a property of theirs, that brand, that logo. 181 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: My sister Jamie and I would often take along with 182 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: my father while he serviced his payphones. 183 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 8: Some of the locations he would take me to and 184 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 8: you know, and bring my daughter to work, and he'd 185 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 8: have me wearing like this shirt that said AT and 186 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 8: T and it had the logo on it, not knowing 187 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 8: that you can't do that. You can't just use a 188 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 8: company's logo. 189 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 3: Well you didn't know that. 190 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 1: He knew that, now, Yeah, he definitely knew that he 191 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: couldn't do that. And these places weren't small time places 192 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: like he had payphones in Costco, yes, which was a 193 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: huge account, but they believed that they were working with 194 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: AT and T. 195 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 8: That's right, he's scamming these big companies that are like 196 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 8: signing off on these contracts, and now the contracts misrepresent 197 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 8: him as if they're working with AT and T, and 198 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 8: they were never working with AT and T. 199 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: When my sister and I would be on the job 200 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: with my dad, it wasn't your normal experience of going 201 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: to work with your parent. 202 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 8: He'd give me gum, so you know, here you're a kid. 203 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 8: You're getting gum like awesome. Then he stops the car 204 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 8: and he says, oh, you see that payphone over there, 205 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 8: the gum I just gave you. I want you to 206 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 8: take that gum and stick in the coin set. This 207 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 8: wasn't his payphone. He would go to the nearest payphones 208 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 8: surrounding his payphone and jam them up, or have me 209 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 8: jam them up. 210 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:06,439 Speaker 3: Right, I did the same thing. I did the exact 211 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 3: same thing with them. 212 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 4: Get the wire. 213 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 8: He'd like have flyers and he'd cut the wire with Yeah, 214 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 8: you always wonder if people always wonder, you know, back 215 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 8: in the day when paypons existed and you go to 216 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 8: get grab a payphone, the wire's cut. 217 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,599 Speaker 3: That was probably many exactly. 218 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: He would say that his payphones were getting screwed up, 219 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: so that's why he was doing that. 220 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 3: They were doing it to his which I do not believe. 221 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: Yes, but he had that those coins that were called slugs. 222 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 3: I think he named them that. 223 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: It looked like it was a quarter, but it was 224 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: more like rigid and would get stuck in a coin slot. 225 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: So I think that he like kind of shaped these 226 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: slugs and then so that was another way to jam 227 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: it up outside of. 228 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 3: Gum as well. 229 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: I remember he was breaking the headsets too with a 230 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: hammer and then we would just drive off. 231 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 8: Yeah, he would stop it. Nothing to jam up this competition. 232 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 3: Literally, yeah, yeah, exactly. 233 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,359 Speaker 1: I asked Mason if he was aware of any malicious 234 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: or even illegal stuff that went on in the payphone business. 235 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 9: I mentioned that we would interact, we communicate with the 236 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 9: phone because it was a computer, and that meant there 237 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 9: was a board inside of our phone boxes. Well, those 238 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 9: boards were frequently worth more than the money that was 239 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 9: accumulating in the box, and there were people who devised 240 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 9: ways to break through the box quickly. If they could 241 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 9: take the money, fine, but they were really after the 242 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 9: board because they could sell those boards on a secondary 243 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,959 Speaker 9: market for a fraction of their original price, which was 244 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 9: about eight hundred two one thousand dollars. So that was 245 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 9: big time money. Then you could then resell that board 246 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 9: to another payphone provider who is very happy to buy 247 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 9: this used board that fell off of the truck. 248 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: That was the thing my dad. He wouldn't even go 249 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: just for the computer. He would take the entire phone. 250 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: He'd grab a drill and take it right off the wall. 251 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: While I'd be in the car. I was essentially a 252 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: lookout and he would tell me to honk if I 253 00:12:57,760 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: saw anyone coming. 254 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 9: That does not surprised me, but I can't say that 255 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 9: he's done that. 256 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 7: I don't know that. 257 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 3: What caused you to end the relationship with my father. 258 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 9: It was a sad decision. I mentioned that it was 259 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 9: over some business. 260 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: I wanted to know more, but Mason said he preferred 261 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: not to get into the details of their falling out. 262 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: I've always been curious about what my father was thinking, 263 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: what he'd rip people off. Did he weigh the pros 264 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: and cons of every scheme? Mason shared his thoughts on 265 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: how my father operated. 266 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 9: Your dad always intrigued me because it always seemed to 267 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 9: me that every one of us, when we make a decision. 268 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 7: We weigh the rewards and the risk. We don't want 269 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 7: to fail. 270 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 9: We don't want to be embarrassed, we don't want to 271 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 9: be punished, and we certainly don't want anything that could 272 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 9: potentially lead to legal action. Your dad, however, stretched boundaries, 273 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 9: and I think he got a great emotional payback when. 274 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 7: He succeeded doing these things. 275 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 9: I mean, he should have gone into politics, frankly, with 276 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 9: that type of mindset would have been ideal for. 277 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 3: I am about to. 278 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: Get off the exit here on the Long Island Expressway. 279 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: I am heading to the Federal Courthouse to get the 280 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: AT and T documents. 281 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 3: I'm hoping that there's. 282 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: A good amount of information in there shed some light 283 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: on what actually happened. But it's been five days since 284 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: I called my dad and. 285 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 3: I still have not heard that from him. 286 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: So he maybe didn't get the message. Maybe he did 287 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: get it and doesn't want to talk to me. Or 288 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: that's not even his number, and that's he doesn't live 289 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: at the house anymore. So these are the things that 290 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: are going through my head right now. 291 00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 3: And I am here. 292 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: How are you uh to the clerk's office? 293 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 7: Okay, do you. 294 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 4: Have a god? 295 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 3: Yeah? 296 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: I I am now leaving the Federal Court House. I 297 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: wasn't able to record anything. They took all my recording 298 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: equipment I had. I didn't think that they would do that, 299 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: but yeah, they took it. Uh, but I got I 300 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: got the documents, so I am uh yeah, I gotta 301 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: I gotta go through all this stuff. Hey, babe, Hey, 302 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: I just picked up the court documents. 303 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 7: Oh my god, Wow, did you read anything yet? 304 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: No, it's like a ton of stuff. So it's gonna 305 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: take me a long time to go through it. 306 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 6: Are you on you a home? 307 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 10: Yeah? 308 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 3: Well, I'll be home in like two hours. 309 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop by my house, my home, You're gonna 310 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: go now? 311 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, he said the way. 312 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 5: I just feel like I have to like be getting 313 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 5: some sort of sign. 314 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 3: If he's there. 315 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 5: And oh my god. 316 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 7: Well, I mean just keep like keep me posted as 317 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 7: best you can. 318 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 5: I will be careful, baby, but I love you. Bye. 319 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 11: There's no doubt in my mind that Manny could have 320 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 11: been anything you wanted. 321 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: Mark palm Mary is a professor at Mercy College, but 322 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: for two years in the mid nineties he works for 323 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: my father. 324 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 11: He probably just didn't have the patience to go through 325 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 11: the front door. Could he have been a detective, absolutely, 326 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 11: Could he have been a professional photographer, absolutely? Could he 327 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 11: been a lawyer. Yeah, And I use those examples because 328 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 11: I actually saw him play those roles. 329 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: Mark men my father when he was going into a 330 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: senior year of college at wake Forest, where he was 331 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 1: the pitcher for their baseball team. Soon after my father 332 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 1: hired him to give me pitching lessons. 333 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 3: I never thought I'd ever talk to you again. 334 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 11: Well, it was amazing to hear from you, obviously, And 335 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 11: one of the interesting things I realized that I often 336 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 11: do think of Manny and speak of him and tell 337 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 11: some of those stories from those days. So we met. 338 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 11: Right after my fourth year of college, which was my 339 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 11: last year playing baseball. I started a little bit of 340 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 11: a small business, really trying to become a private pitching 341 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 11: coach for high school kids, little league kids, whatever. You know, 342 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 11: it's kind of a common thing. And your dad contacted 343 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 11: me and we would meet at a park somewhere in 344 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 11: Suffolk County and I would give you basic throwing and 345 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 11: pitching lessons. And you were really you were really young. 346 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 11: You were like eight years old or something. And that 347 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 11: was our relationship over the over that summer, and then 348 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 11: so that fall, I needed to make money to put 349 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 11: down for an apartment and I mentioned that that was 350 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 11: the situation to your dad, and your dad said, well, 351 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 11: you can work for me. And that's when I joined 352 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 11: the rank and file of Payphones Plus, which is what 353 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 11: we're going to talk about. 354 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: What started becoming like your task with the payphone company. 355 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 11: So my job was to get to the phones, replace 356 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 11: the full coin box with an empty coin box, put 357 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,360 Speaker 11: the heavy box full of quarters and nickels and dimes 358 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 11: in the car, and drive to the next phone. And 359 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 11: he would prepare like a list with the addresses, and 360 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 11: we'd come up with a kind of strategy in terms 361 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 11: of the order of the phone that made sense. You 362 00:18:57,960 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 11: know where they were in. They were on Long Island, 363 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 11: they were Queen's, they were in Westchester, and they were 364 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 11: in the city, you know, Manhattan. They were all over 365 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 11: the place. 366 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 1: He had tons of accounts and he was NonStop collecting. 367 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 11: It was NonStop, and we bring all the boxes into 368 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 11: the basement of your home and he would empty had 369 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 11: this machine that would just count quarters, you know, you 370 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 11: would just dump these thousands of quarters into this huge funnel. 371 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 11: And that was a normal day. And I could be 372 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 11: just on my own for that, or sometimes I would 373 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 11: ride with Manny and we would be doing that together. 374 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 11: So that was like the job description kind of way 375 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 11: of describing my role. Of course, my role evolved and 376 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 11: became more complicated and adventurous over time. 377 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: Payphone plus became just one of the reasons my father 378 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: employed Mark. 379 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 11: The job got more interesting in that it wasn't always 380 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 11: directly related to the payphones. It would be like, oh, 381 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 11: I need you to sit in the car outside the courthouse. 382 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 11: He had a business, I guess in the eighties, so 383 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 11: something to do with furniture or Veta sales, and my 384 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 11: job for it was at least three hours. It was 385 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 11: just to sit in the car which was illegally parked, 386 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 11: you know, so that it like right in front of 387 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 11: the court, Like he can't park right in front of 388 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 11: the courthouse. 389 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 4: But that was manny. 390 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 11: It was another time he parked right in front of 391 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 11: a fire hydrant and I alerted him to this. It 392 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 11: was a you know, massive ticket on the windshield, and 393 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 11: he took out his camera and said, so the garbage 394 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 11: bag zero in front of the restaurant. Let's put those 395 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 11: all around the fire hydrant. And so he buried the 396 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 11: fire hydrant in garbage bags and then took a series 397 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 11: of photographs to prove that the garbage, you know, obscured 398 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 11: the fire hydrant, and he had no idea there was 399 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 11: one there and that was you know. So he had 400 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 11: all these rate ways. He like, he was very confident. 401 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 11: He was never going to pay a parking ticket. That 402 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 11: was just his approach. He'll deal with it after it happens, 403 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 11: and he'll come up with some kind of a creative 404 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 11: way to fight it, fight the system. 405 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 1: In the first episode of this podcast, I mentioned that 406 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: my father used to drive a blue Chevy Caprice because 407 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: it looked just like a cop car. Well Mark actually 408 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: got to go along and purchase his car with my father. 409 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 11: And one day I always said, we're going to New 410 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 11: Jersey today, we're getting a new car. So I had 411 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 11: brought my car and I drove us to this like 412 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 11: junkyard in Carney, New Jersey, and he had this relative 413 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 11: who was a former like Israeli Defense Forces Air Force pilot, 414 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 11: some tough, mean looking and just amazing figure. And this 415 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 11: man was just standing on this heat smoking a cigarette 416 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 11: and he's like, that's my cousin. I wish I remember 417 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 11: his name. 418 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 4: He had. 419 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 11: It was an Israeli name. Wow, yeah, amazing slomoh yes, 420 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 11: so he walks us to this what looks like it's 421 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 11: a refurbished cop car, this blue repainted. It was so 422 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 11: obvious that it was once a cop car somehow, even 423 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 11: though there was nothing to read on it or whatever. 424 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 11: But you know, one of the telltale signs was the 425 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 11: big flashlight thing on the driver side near her. And 426 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 11: so I remember, Manny, game cash. The guys kept saying, Manny, 427 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,199 Speaker 11: this car is clean, Manny, very clean as fast. You know. 428 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 11: I'm like this sort of delicate suburban kid. And I 429 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,199 Speaker 11: felt like I'm somewhere, I'm somewhere different right now. I 430 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 11: don't know what's going on here, but this is like 431 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 11: a cop car, no license plate, and I don't know 432 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 11: if this is stolen. Somehow he talked me into I 433 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 11: would drive the car back and he would drive my car. 434 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 11: And I remember I was so scared because the car 435 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 11: had no license plates. For all I know, this was 436 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 11: a stolen like I had no idea what I was driving, 437 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 11: but I had to drive it over the bridge back 438 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 11: into New York and back to Long Island, where he 439 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 11: then fixed plates that he had onto this car. There 440 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 11: was the kind of car if you pulled up or 441 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 11: you were behind you look in the mirror and this 442 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 11: things behind you, You're sure that it's an undercover cop. 443 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 11: So he loved that. And this was our new company car, 444 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 11: and that ended up in important detail because there were 445 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 11: moments where Manny would assume the role of undercover police officer. 446 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: I mean that that was his mentality. He would just 447 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: give off this false perception of who he is. 448 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 11: So at this point, now my friend Rich also was 449 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 11: working for him. Rich was just like me, same kind 450 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 11: of situation. He had this summer off. He was just 451 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 11: trying to work. And so when I couldn't work, Manny said, 452 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 11: you have anyone else that wants to work? Introduced Rich 453 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 11: and man I'm still, you know, in contact with him, 454 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 11: and we've always always told Manny stories together, you know, 455 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 11: And so it's kept Manny alive, you know, for us, 456 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 11: because that was just a profound summer. 457 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 4: We had just graduated college. None of us had real 458 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 4: jobs yet. 459 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: Rich Patrick is an er doctor and one of Mark's 460 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: good friends. He also worked for my dad for a 461 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: couple of years in the mid nineties. 462 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 4: He always paid us well. It was always trying to 463 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 4: help us out. 464 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 10: I mean, I think he always meant well, but we 465 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 10: all knew that he was doing something that was. 466 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,199 Speaker 4: Off, so Manny would like send us out. And your 467 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 4: dad was always good to us. He would take us 468 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 4: to lunch or he'd be like, hey, we're going to 469 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 4: this place today. 470 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 10: And he would know the owner and then he would 471 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 10: introduce us, you know, like we're with the owner of 472 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 10: the restaurant. 473 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 4: Whoa you know. 474 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 10: That was a big deal, you know, right, And we 475 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 10: would have lunch at these places. 476 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 4: He was always working some angle, working. 477 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 10: Some deal, but we were there just to like help 478 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 10: out do something if needed. 479 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 4: I mean there was there was one time he took 480 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 4: us along and he's like, hey, come with Mark, and 481 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 4: you can bring Martinez. We have a third friend that 482 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 4: used to come along. 483 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,199 Speaker 10: But I think your dad used this to like tacitly 484 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 10: intimidate somebody. 485 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 4: Really, there was some diner, some. 486 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 10: Some diner like deep in Queens places that we would 487 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 10: never go off the beaten path. 488 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 4: It looked like the Diner and Goodfellas or something, you know, 489 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 4: it was like classic diner. 490 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 10: He was like, guys, sit in this booth and don't 491 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 10: fuck around, and we're laughing because we're like we always 492 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 10: fuck he out. 493 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 4: What do you mean don't fuck around? That was like 494 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 4: all we did all day long, you know what I mean. Yeah, 495 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 4: And so we're. 496 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 10: Just sitting there strategically angled towards the where the guy stood, 497 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 10: and this is a serious meeting and so we had 498 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 10: to like keep straight faces. The owner wanted him to 499 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 10: take the payphone out, and he didn't want to take 500 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 10: the payphone out. 501 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 4: We asked Manny about it later. We were like, hey, what, 502 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 4: like what what happened there? 503 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: Like? 504 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 10: And he was like, oh, well, he wanted to take 505 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 10: the payphone out and I told him he shouldn't do 506 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:01,880 Speaker 10: that right now. 507 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 4: But I'm like, oh, you're just doing that. 508 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 10: It's like, oh, we were here to just to like 509 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 10: intimidate this guy. 510 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 4: A little bit. 511 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 11: I mean, that's some of the pageantry that would go on, 512 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 11: you know. One the wrong way to look at a 513 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 11: lot of these experiences would be to assume that everyone 514 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 11: that Manny was working with was on the up and up, 515 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 11: and you had some tough characters. So wouldn't be crazy 516 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 11: to want to show up, not alone to these places. 517 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: Mark recalled a story about one of the sketchier places 518 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: my father did business. 519 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 11: I have a day, afternoon, and night with Manny, said 520 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 11: we're going to head towards the city. We're going to 521 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 11: go to Queens. So we got to go to this 522 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 11: place in Rego Park and he said, I just want 523 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 11: to let you know it's a strip club. We're putting 524 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 11: a phone in the back. So we get there this 525 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 11: place in Rego Park, and you know, we walked in 526 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 11: and it was just like four or five guys, you know, 527 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 11: who were by the bar or the dance floor or whatever. 528 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 11: And so we're in the back and I'm standing there 529 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,120 Speaker 11: and holding up the phone where Manny's screwing it into 530 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 11: the wall, and he starts kind of telling me the 531 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 11: story about who's like who those guys are, and you know, 532 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 11: and I get the picture pretty quick. These are Italian 533 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 11: mafia guys opening this place up. And they greeted him 534 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 11: like he was a maid man and they loved him. 535 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 4: One of the. 536 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 11: Guys just total textbook suit, slick back hair, built, scary 537 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 11: comes back and he's like you come here. He's talking 538 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 11: to me. He's like, come here, come to the bar. Manny, 539 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 11: can I borrow him? 540 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, I go. 541 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 11: The guy brings me back into the main part of 542 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 11: the of the joint and I see there's a woman 543 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 11: topless woman up on the bar like move in dancing. 544 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 11: No one's watching, it's just this and she's got like 545 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 11: a bikini bottom on and the guy says, sit down. 546 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 11: I sat down, and my first thought was like, I 547 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 11: don't have singles. I don't have like, I don't have money. 548 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 11: I got to like all I have are quarters like 549 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 11: pouring out of my pants. And he takes out a beer. 550 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 11: He pops it over and he's like, I want you 551 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 11: to watch her. And we're having auditions and there's like 552 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,959 Speaker 11: another girl waiting, sitting with a trench coat on, and 553 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 11: he's like, let me know what you think. And then 554 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 11: he calls out to the to the girl to start dancing. 555 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 11: And it's just for me. And I'm supposed to give 556 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 11: feedback to this guy, and in the spirit of Manny Vetter, 557 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 11: I just said, you know what, I'm just gonna actually 558 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 11: do it. And so, like I start telling the guy, 559 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 11: I'm like, she's good, she's good. Oh I like that, 560 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 11: she's good. Yeah, she's hot, man, she's hot. Sip in 561 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,880 Speaker 11: the beer. Finish it. Guy gets me another one. Next 562 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 11: girl gets up. That went on for like at least 563 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 11: forty five minutes. I think I saw like three or 564 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 11: four girls that night. I decided I was just gonna 565 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 11: I'm gonna be this, I'm gonna be I'm gonna be 566 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 11: a mob guy in a strip joint tonight. 567 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: The interesting thing about my father, if someone close to 568 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,880 Speaker 1: him was in a jam, he would use his talents 569 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: to mislead and deceive people to help them get out 570 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: of it. Like the time he pretended to be a lawyer, he. 571 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:52,199 Speaker 10: Actually represented me in quotations represented me. 572 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 4: This is exactly what he did all the time. 573 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 10: It's like a benign move where he's completely fraudulent. 574 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 4: He's as my attorney in a court with a judge. 575 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 10: So I go out to a bar in Huntington and 576 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,479 Speaker 10: as I'm leaving the bar, like this melee that has 577 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 10: nothing to do with us breaks out huge fight. The 578 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 10: cop says, hey, start walking, and I'm like, I'm waiting 579 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,679 Speaker 10: for somebody's like start walking. He like hits me, He 580 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,640 Speaker 10: like pokes me with his baton and I'm like whoa. 581 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 10: I'm like oh, and I just turned around and put 582 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:19,919 Speaker 10: my hands up. 583 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 4: He's like, what are you a wise guy? And he 584 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 4: just he blows me up. The guy blows me up. 585 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 10: He puts me in like a half Nelson. 586 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 4: He puts me up against the car. 587 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 10: They start giving me the business, like flash lights and 588 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 10: batons on the side of the face and the ribs, 589 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 10: you know, jeez. So I get arrested it I'm like, 590 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 10: what the fuck. It was like misdemeanor, felony, melee, some 591 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 10: all some crazy stuff. 592 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: You know. 593 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 10: It was like a crazy amount of stuff that they 594 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 10: were trying to pile on me. And I'm like, look, 595 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 10: I'm trying to go to med school here. 596 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I didn't have money. 597 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 10: To pay an attorney, and your dad was like, I'll 598 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 10: represent you. And so we show up in court and 599 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 10: he's dressed all up. 600 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 4: I'm dressed up. 601 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 10: He's got like a briefcase with folders in there, the 602 00:28:59,240 --> 00:28:59,959 Speaker 10: random folder. 603 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 4: Judge reads out the thing. 604 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 10: It's like just a stenographer all this stuff, and he says, 605 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 10: I represent Richard Patrick. And he goes up to the 606 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 10: front and he has a comfort with the DA. He's 607 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 10: talking to the district attorney, you know, and I'm like, 608 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 10: oh my god, and. 609 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 4: He's like presenting evidence. 610 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 10: So then they both break and then the DA goes 611 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 10: to judge and then the judge says, Richard Patrick, would 612 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 10: you please step forward? 613 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 4: So I went up there and. 614 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 10: Then the guy dropped the case, and so I felt 615 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 10: like I owed him after that, and I told him that, 616 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 10: and you know, he was like, oh, you could just 617 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 10: take me on to a state dinner. 618 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 4: And I never got to give him the state dinner. 619 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 11: He loved access. Many that was, ultimately, I think like 620 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 11: what drove him in these exchanges and this ultimately he 621 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 11: had nothing to gain, but the sense that he had access, 622 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 11: and maybe that played into the way he parked and 623 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 11: felt like, I should just park here while I'm being deposed, 624 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 11: you know, for whatever reason, whoever's suing him from the eighties, 625 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 11: the s furniture, he should park like you know where 626 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 11: the judge parks. 627 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 4: Why not? 628 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 11: And why not? Why shouldn't he get the respect of 629 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 11: an undercover cop, you know, why not? Why shouldn't he 630 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 11: have courtside tickets to the NIXT game with his son 631 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 11: there and take great pictures with movie stars. Yeah, it 632 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 11: might mean, might mean he got a fib a little bit, 633 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 11: but who cares, you know, who's it hurting? 634 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 4: Nobody? 635 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 11: And he loved that and when it was over, he 636 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 11: had a big kick out of it. We would be 637 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:20,959 Speaker 11: laughing about it, you know. It wasn't like he was 638 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 11: like a psychopath or something and actually believed he was 639 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 11: these things. 640 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 4: He didn't. 641 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 11: He was enjoying the you know, the pageantry and the game. 642 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: All right. I just pulled into my neighborhood. I'm about 643 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: two hundred feet from my child at home. I just 644 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: hoping I could get some sort of sign that my 645 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: father lives here, because right now, I mean, I haven't 646 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: heard from her. I definitely am getting a little nervous 647 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: because I mean, if he doesn't live here, I don't. 648 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 3: I'm not really sure what my. 649 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: Next move is, so I I gotta figure that out. Alright, 650 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna drive past the house, alright. There are no 651 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: cars on the driveway. There's two giant shipping containers though 652 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: on it. 653 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 4: Alright. 654 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: I could see in the backyard a little bit. I 655 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: see a that there's a a kid's bicycle in the 656 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: back that's weird, and one of those like little kid 657 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: radio flyer. 658 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 3: Like wagons. 659 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: I am hold on, I am gonna gonna check the mailbox. Shit, 660 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: nothing's in the mailbox. I have no idea this is 661 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: his house right now. All signs are pointing. 662 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 4: To know. 663 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: What do you know about payphone plus? And how is 664 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: presented not only to you initially, but to people that 665 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: my father would do business with. 666 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 11: If someone straight out ass and I was there a 667 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 11: few times for that, are you AT and T? And 668 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 11: he would answer with the right choice, which was the 669 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 11: slogan at the time of AT and T. You know, 670 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 11: AT and T the right choice. And so that was 671 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 11: like the first time I caught on, like, oh, you know, 672 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 11: he's dodging that question. And I saw that the card, 673 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 11: the business card had his name number, it said payphone plus, 674 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 11: but it had like the AT and T insignia on it. 675 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 11: So his act was that while he's not AT and 676 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 11: T he never said he was, but he's using AT 677 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 11: and T made stuff. Uh, and so therefore that's why 678 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 11: that's on there. You know, I see these little maneuvers. 679 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,479 Speaker 11: They're funny, they're successful, and I'm thinking, like, this is 680 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 11: this is how it's done. 681 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 10: Watching him maneuver, that was where I thought the sort 682 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 10: of mentoring came in, even. 683 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 4: Though it's not exactly how I would go about things. 684 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 10: But he had all these accounts where he, you know, 685 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 10: went in there represented himself. 686 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 4: As AT and T people. You know, he would. 687 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 10: Convince them that, oh, you need a payphone here. That 688 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 10: to me was the learning aspect of that job. 689 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 4: Is like I learned that you. 690 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 10: Could just sort of go into a place fearlessly and 691 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 10: get people to buy into what you're doing. 692 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:42,959 Speaker 1: Even though he's five seven, he walked in like he 693 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: was six feet tall. 694 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He owned the place. 695 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, like even the. 696 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 4: Manager, he belonged there. And that's that's really the key 697 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 4: to life. Like in court, he belonged in court representing me. 698 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: My father was unstoppable until all the AT and T 699 00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: stuff came crashing down. 700 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 9: I got call from him one day saying, this has 701 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 9: been a bad week. He had been getting notices I 702 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 9: believe from AT and T which will basically stop and 703 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 9: desist orders. 704 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 7: Don't use our trademark. 705 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 9: Take our logo off of your business card, off of 706 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 9: your stationary, get rid of the ringtone. 707 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 7: You are not AT and T. 708 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 9: This is proprietary, this is our intellectual property, this is 709 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 9: our brand. 710 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 7: It's legally protected. 711 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: Then on October seventeenth, nineteen ninety four, I woke up 712 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 1: at six in the morning to someone pounding on our 713 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: front door. The next thing I knew our house was 714 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:42,240 Speaker 1: being rated by the US Marshals on the next episode 715 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: of Number One Dad. 716 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 7: So what's the latest Gary? In tracking down your father? 717 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,319 Speaker 1: Well, I saw my child at home and I'm not 718 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 1: exactly sure if he lives there. 719 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 11: So both Rich and I eventually had to give testimony. 720 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:56,800 Speaker 7: Manny was smart. 721 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 9: He never went to law school, but he learns the 722 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 9: swords system. 723 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 10: Good Morning Calling mckas of AT and T Corp versus 724 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 10: Manny vied. 725 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,479 Speaker 1: Number One Dad is a production of Radio Point, Big 726 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: Money Players Network and iHeart Podcasts, created and hosted by 727 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 1: Gary Veter. 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