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Speaker 1: M. Welcome to episode three or six. It's a fantastic

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Speaker 1: episode with brothers Osborne. They talked about it all radio success,

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Speaker 1: ticket sales, t J telling his story John taking a

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Speaker 1: in a second. But as always, let us do the

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Speaker 1: top five releases. I am most excited about this week.

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Speaker 1: Number five. Nico Moon released a new song called small Town,

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Speaker 1: State of Mind. Stay in my smalltown, Stay of Mind,

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Speaker 1: small time, Stay in my smalltown, Stay in mind, good

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Speaker 1: town Stay. Charlie Warsham released his Sugarcane EP. Here's a

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Speaker 1: new song called hang on to that Time Instinct Times

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Speaker 1: as you can hang. At number three, Dustin Letch he

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Speaker 1: did put out two new songs, once called not Every Cowboy,

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Speaker 1: and here's a clip of one that he played on

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Speaker 1: my Twitch show on Time with Bobby Bones. It is

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Speaker 1: Pasadena leven passive d we to we can find out

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Speaker 1: Dan and Shay announced they're releasing a new album called

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Speaker 1: Here is a clip of Dan and Shay Good Things

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Speaker 1: Still if You'll n God friends so bad? When you

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Speaker 1: like if awaiting my whole life for this. John Mayer

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Speaker 1: recently released his new album, saw Rock. It's his first

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Speaker 1: new song called why you Know Love Me? Why are

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Speaker 1: you know? Okay? Why you Know that Knows? Are the

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Speaker 1: five releases I am most excited about. This week music news,

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Speaker 1: Luke Combs released a trilogy. It's a Vine with Beautiful,

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Speaker 1: There's Charlie Daniels Duets, which is Charlie Daniels and Friends.

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Speaker 1: It's a Walmart exclusive. It's Scott Garth and Dolly and

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Speaker 1: Paisley and Darius Brooks and Dunne. So that's out to

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Speaker 1: a little big Town's got music out. Cheryl Crowe released

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Speaker 1: strong Enough featuring Lucius Life from the Theater at the

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Speaker 1: Ace Hotel. Peloton apparently is the best paying music streaming service.

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Speaker 1: We talked about later in this show, like how much

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Speaker 1: The person that I guess the organization that pays the

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Speaker 1: popular music service. Based on a twenty nineteen report, Peloton

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Speaker 1: pays around three cents per stream, So there you go.

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Speaker 1: They made three cents from the time I heard you.

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Speaker 1: They've heard him twice, they made six cents off that.

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Speaker 1: Peloton's contribution to music isn't that much. It's kind of

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Speaker 1: Vinyls Come Back is still going strong. Over nineteen million

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Speaker 1: C MT is set to honor the late Charlie Pride

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Speaker 1: with a primetime special next month. CMT giants Charlie Pride

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Speaker 1: airs August. So there's that. Nashville Songwriters Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: the Moon. You know, they have new music out they

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Speaker 1: So some people would say they'd love to hear cold

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Speaker 1: So and Rihanna is renting out her Beverly Hills mansion

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Speaker 1: my peloton. I don't know if either one of you

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Speaker 1: and that I would get on the microphone. I would say, Hey,

425
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Speaker 1: I'm t J Osborne. I would say, and I'm John Osborne.

426
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Speaker 1: And now they would say I'm Natalie Osborne. And together

427
00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,200
Speaker 1: in unison we would say and we are the siblings.

428
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Speaker 1: That was my mom's grand plan. And so we were like,

429
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Speaker 1: we're going to stay far away from that idea. And

430
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,920
Speaker 1: so John came down. Was in a band called Kingbilly

431
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:47,920
Speaker 1: that had a lot of traction at the time, and um,

432
00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,399
Speaker 1: a lot of amazing musicians and songs and in that band,

433
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,880
Speaker 1: and I was kind of doing my solo thing. Um.

434
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:56,960
Speaker 1: We were in a family band with her dad called

435
00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,639
Speaker 1: Do Center Quarter. In fact, have a tattoo of my

436
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,199
Speaker 1: left arm that says two to five. A lot of

437
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:02,879
Speaker 1: people want to know what it means it's simply just

438
00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,960
Speaker 1: a car ubic electra um And so our family band

439
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,160
Speaker 1: was named after that. And then you moved here. First

440
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,720
Speaker 1: I did, Yeah, how far I had to teach um?

441
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 1: It was a little kind of staggered. UM. So I

442
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 1: went to Belmont and I started in two thousand and

443
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,480
Speaker 1: then I want to say, you came in around two

444
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:24,679
Speaker 1: thousand and one or two, something like that. And yeah,

445
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,200
Speaker 1: so then you moved down here before you graduate, graduated

446
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 1: high school. Ended up going to high school here for

447
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 1: like a year or two, moved back to Maryland to graduate.

448
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,199
Speaker 1: The funny part about took me five years, so I

449
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,720
Speaker 1: know the math. I can see you wherever there, Bobby,

450
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 1: you're like five. He loved high school so much he

451
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:44,640
Speaker 1: stayed stayed around for extra year. And the kicker there's

452
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,399
Speaker 1: I hated it so much that I didn't that I

453
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 1: wasn't that attentive. So then it added an extra year.

454
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 1: So I really like showed myself. They're like so much,

455
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 1: you're getting an extra year of it. It is backwards,

456
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,479
Speaker 1: isn't it. The more you love school, the less you

457
00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 1: have to do. It doesn't make sense. So the um

458
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,439
Speaker 1: but the kind of side note, so when I was

459
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Speaker 1: eighteen when moldteer TJ. So it was an eighteen or

460
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:07,879
Speaker 1: nineteen something like that. When I was a Bellmont t

461
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 1: J had come to live with our mom and Nashville

462
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,160
Speaker 1: for a short period of time. But um, I had

463
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 1: a dorm room like a triple at Bellmont, which was

464
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,880
Speaker 1: like unheard of, and my two roommates like dropped out

465
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 1: right before the semester started, and I had this huge

466
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,640
Speaker 1: room to myself. It was amazing. And t J would

467
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 1: have come just like sleep, you know, in the dorm room.

468
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 1: And if we would go to like a Bellmont party,

469
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:29,919
Speaker 1: which at those days, and you'd be lucky if there

470
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Speaker 1: was like four people and that was a Bellmont party.

471
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Speaker 1: And um, t J. They all thought he went to

472
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Speaker 1: school because he always had this idea. It was like sixteen, everyone,

473
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 1: what's your major? And I would just tell them music

474
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 1: business because I know no more questions would like boring,

475
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 1: and um yeah, So he moved back and I was

476
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,120
Speaker 1: still like, I changed my major a bunch of times.

477
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 1: Actually started in base um, because I got a scholarship

478
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,120
Speaker 1: and my parents were like, if you played bass, there's

479
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 1: a lot more work for bass players. There's too many

480
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Speaker 1: guitar players. Which is another interesting side note there is

481
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,160
Speaker 1: John was an incredible upright basis. I mean he actually

482
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 1: went to Bellmont Wanta Basse Scholarship, played the big yeah

483
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 1: yeah like flipping stuff. He played by glass with the

484
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: Bottomore like the Bottomore Symphony. Even um they would have

485
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: this where they would get kind of the top chair

486
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 1: people in the state to come join them for some concerts.

487
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 1: And John was, you know, it was one of the

488
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Speaker 1: one of the kids they picked out on high school

489
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Speaker 1: to come up and play with the Botmom Symphony, playing

490
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 1: up right basis. Thank you. I was told total nerd,

491
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 1: but that's what I did, and um, but I didn't

492
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Speaker 1: love it, you know. So when I went to school,

493
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,479
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I just I'm not loving this thing.

494
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 1: I really want to play guitar, kind like you're talking

495
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,160
Speaker 1: about Grand of Opry and you were kind of made

496
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 1: to watch it and that took you a minute to

497
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 1: love it. That's how we were with the bass and

498
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,360
Speaker 1: then um, eventually I I changed my major to guitars.

499
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 1: I love, I really enjoy playing. This is where my

500
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Speaker 1: heart is. And then I swish my major us a business,

501
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 1: wish it back to guitar. And I'm like, man, I'm

502
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 1: like four years in, I've got like five hundred hours

503
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 1: or credits later. I I there's no way i want

504
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 1: to graduate. And I'm already like doing it. I'm getting

505
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: calls to go play. I'm traveling, you know, four hours,

506
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: making like a hundred bucks and being like this is great.

507
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: And UM, so I've bailed from school. But around that time,

508
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: t J came back after he graduated high school, and

509
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,159
Speaker 1: then that's when we both moved here. So he had

510
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 1: mentioned this band, King Billy that I was in. Um,

511
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 1: one of my best friends from college, Josh Matheny, who's

512
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 1: played on like a bunch of hit records as a

513
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 1: recent as great debro player. Um, we joined a band.

514
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 1: Charlie Worsham was in that band, and a bunch of

515
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: other really really great musicians. Um, and we end up

516
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: getting a publishing deal. T J and I at the

517
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 1: time had been writing a lot of songs off to

518
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 1: the side. The King Billy, the band I was in,

519
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 1: cut a few of those songs. So he got signed

520
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 1: to the publishing deal to the same publishing company. About

521
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 1: a year or two later. Quickly what happened because now

522
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: King Billy lives in like Everyone's Mind is one of

523
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 1: the greatest bands that should have been massive because of

524
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: the success of this individual char Yes, and so everyone's

525
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 1: like I saw them once. It was the summer. I mean,

526
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: it's like this legacy. It was an incredible band. I

527
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 1: mean I remember it was like, yeah, it was the

528
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: show to go and see what would happen? Why did

529
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 1: it not happen? I guess, you know, I don't know.

530
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 1: I could give I could try and give you a

531
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: hundred reasons as to why things do and don't happen

532
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: in this industry, and I would probably be wrong every time,

533
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: And so much of it is just being around the

534
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: right people at the right time the right songs. I

535
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 1: mean I listened to the songs. I'm like, yeah, they

536
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: were really really good songs, and some of them really great,

537
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: but maybe they just weren't, you know. I think we

538
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: were pretty musico about things like we're all like way

539
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: too smart for own good when it when it came

540
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: even the term music, I think it's probably for most

541
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: people said, yeah, that's like you know, when you're you're

542
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: so musical that it's just like only nerds would like it. Yeah, yeah,

543
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 1: it got there. Um, and I don't know, man, I

544
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: don't know. I wish I could give you an exact reason.

545
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: Timing is everything, you know. I mean, Bobby, you know

546
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 1: you've seen amazing and you were such a supporter of

547
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: new music and new artists. You're very rare in that way. Um,

548
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: and you've seen it firsthand, like this is amazing, Like

549
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see this thing blow up. And

550
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: two years later, five years later, nothing happens, and no

551
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: one knows. The one thing that is like really interesting

552
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 1: now in retrospect is obviously everyone was like, how did

553
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: this band on take off? And you know, I think now,

554
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: I think looking back, for probably most of the people

555
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 1: in the band, I mean particularly us, it's like, well

556
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: we have this would have never happened. And certainly as

557
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: you look back different And at the time I was

558
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: doing solo stuff because John was in an established band

559
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: in town, like but really outside of the bands that

560
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: were playing nationally, super famous. They were the biggest band

561
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: in Nashville, and I, um, it just was like, you know,

562
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: I need to do my own solo thing. John's at

563
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: the time it was really well known as a great

564
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 1: guitar player, and I didn't really want to, Um, kind

565
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: of wrest on his laurels or whatever or write his

566
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: coat tails. So I I wanted to just make a

567
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: name for myself, and so I'd go out and perform

568
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: John a lot of times would join play guitar, and

569
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 1: people always commented on just the two of us together.

570
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: There was something that we didn't really notice because we

571
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: just played together our entire lives and didn't feel necessarily

572
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: that's special to us. And but people kept saying it

573
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 1: over in time and time and time again, like the

574
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 1: two of you is something You've got to do something together. Um.

575
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: And then once um, we decided to do that. I

576
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: mean within a year we were assigned to Capital Records.

577
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: I was watching the Hot Nathan's Hot Dog eating competitions.

578
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: You guys have to see any of that at all,

579
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: any clips. I don't, but I find it very fascinating. Yes,

580
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: before the hot dog part, before the Joey Chestnut eats

581
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: seventy this name. Yeah, there's a competition that cannot be

582
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: They drink a gallon of lemonade and who drinks the

583
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: gwlln letonade the fastest before they eat the hot dogs. Well,

584
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: one guy did both competitions and they got the guy

585
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: who won the lemonade also didn't win the hot dog,

586
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 1: but also drank the gown lemonade one. Then when Nate

587
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: and finished fourth, FIFA a superhero. My point is, and

588
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 1: you're gonna see he probably weighs like eighty pounds. This.

589
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,479
Speaker 1: People somehow are like, what is going on? What I

590
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: saw John just do with a bottle of water is

591
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: what the guy did with the lemonade. Somehow would you

592
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: get John on the bottle of water over? It's like

593
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: he took one. It's like he took it up, made

594
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 1: one swallow and the whole thing was gone. I was

595
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: wondering where the ore hydrated my friends. I don't know.

596
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: I just love water. This drives Lucy and my wife,

597
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: Lucy sla you played before. It drives her crazy about

598
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: how much I love water because she hates water. What

599
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: is her to hate? It's amazing, Like it's cold and

600
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: it's hydrating, and she's like, she sees how much I

601
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: like watern't She gets so annoyed. She thinks I'm doing

602
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: it to just pick. Lucy doesn't drink much alcohol, so

603
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: I think if she down like fifteen beers the night before,

604
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: thank you, and I'm just consistently hung over. I was

605
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: listening to t J tell the history by going solo,

606
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: but over on the side, I just I could. I

607
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: was like there, but in my part of me was going,

608
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: that's the weirdest, that's like the the best, the most

609
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: solid water drinking I've ever seen. It's it. Let me

610
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: let me talk this and I've told this story with

611
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: you guys around. But for anyone that's listening new to this,

612
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: because this is a whole different podcast that goes a

613
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: lot of different places. The first time that I saw

614
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: you guys, I had been dragged to what they call

615
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: a radio show boot camp. It wasn't about country music. Heck,

616
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: I wasn't even in country music. I was. I had

617
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: built my own syndication company and I was doing pop

618
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: and hip hop. But I was getting trouble because I

619
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: would put dirks on William like why are you playing

620
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: county music on pop radio? Kind of what it happens now.

621
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: Just on the other side, we'll bring in, I'll bring

622
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: in somebody and they're like, why are you bringing in?

623
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: For all lot of country, I just always knew what

624
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: I liked. It didn't matter to me really what format

625
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: at what most people I think people are too right.

626
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: But I was over there doing that and we're in

627
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: this theater and I was ready for some other you know,

628
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: Jabron need to get up and talking about something in

629
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: radio that I was lame, and they were like, all right,

630
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: before we go, we got these two guys want to

631
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: show case to you. I think it was Chicago. It

632
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: was Yea, and they were like, I'll never forget. This

633
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: is one of the most awkward moments in our Brothers Osborne.

634
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: And I was like, music, like I'm trying to like

635
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: and I also don't know if you recall this, but

636
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: they said Brothers Osborne. And then the guy dessides in

637
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: that moment to change the batteries and the microphones. I'm like,

638
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: why didn't you do this like ten minutes ago? Dude,

639
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: you're kidding me. So we had to stand there on

640
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: stage where everyone has been they had clapped, finished clapping

641
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: five minutes ago, and he's changing one by one of

642
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: these batteries. I was like, oh my god, I could

643
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: kick you straight off the stage right now, and uh,

644
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: let me started performing and no one really cared. Can

645
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: I say another thing though about that? I found really

646
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: bizarre about that, since you worked in different like formats

647
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: and radio. Why are the property of people so insanely arrogant?

648
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: Like I feel like a lot of them starts, but

649
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: but I find like these people, you know, like I

650
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: feel like it's probably unusual in country, like you actually

651
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: do know most of not all, all the country artists

652
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: that come through here, but they always pretend like you

653
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: listen to a pop station, They'll be like, oh, yeah,

654
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: I was hanging with my boy Drake, and I'm like,

655
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: I guarantee that you maybe just saw him in and

656
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: eat and great and it's so weird and they're like

657
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: the most and that that thing. I found it almost

658
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: like unbearable to watch these people co exist together because

659
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: you have the country people who were like really cool

660
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: and hanging out and some of them have their their egos,

661
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: and then all the pop people were like, screw the

662
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: country guys, even though I'm like, these guys have stations

663
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: that are like five times the size of yours. I

664
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: don't know why that why that happens, but it's weird. Culture.

665
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: The answer is culture. You are in the pop world

666
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: taught to look as cool as you absolutely can't even

667
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: if you don't have it in the country world. And

668
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: I find this with myself too, because I'm in California

669
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: lot working in the country world or the Nashville world,

670
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: or the South or what however you want to use.

671
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: You know, we are taught. Hey, even if you are cool,

672
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: kind of scale it back a little bit because nobody

673
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: gives a crap. Nobody does. So it's it's basically that

674
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: that's the difference pop radio versus Los Angeles versus Nashville

675
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: his country right here. It's when I go and I'm

676
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: shooting American Idol, they think that I am, first of all,

677
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: showing up with a haycy, you know. But they're also like,

678
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: he's just the greatest guy. He's just a And it's like,

679
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: I'm like everybody else here. You know, I don't get

680
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: an award for being the greatest guy. I'm a good dude,

681
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: but you gotta be good dude around here. You don't survive. Yeah,

682
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: I prune the bad dudes here quick and so yeah,

683
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, he's just the greatest because there

684
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: if you don't show up with an entourage, even if

685
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: you can't afford it, that's and that's anti that culture

686
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: that they promote. So that's it was such a weird

687
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: observation that you saw. That's how it is here. If

688
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: you show up with an entourage, you everyone's laughing at you. Yeah,

689
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: everyone's like rolling their eyes. I mean that's like, in

690
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: the same way that Vince Gill, arguably the greatest singer

691
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: and songwriter musician of all time of all genres, shows

692
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: up by himself to like an event and where's his

693
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: lanyard around his neck with his name on, just to

694
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: make sure that everyone he can get backstage to a

695
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: place he's playing. And then he's just cool and then

696
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: he packs up his own guitar and walks off and

697
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: drives his own ass home. I'm like, if he can

698
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: do it, anyone can do it, right. I Mean, I

699
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: saw a Stapleton drive up to a show once in

700
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: his old truck in Nashville, get out there like hey,

701
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: I'm Chris, and they were like, oh, you are him,

702
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: and they just layed the lit him that he just

703
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: literally stables and drop his old truck, parked it behind

704
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: the rieman and walked in the back just to do

705
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: his show. Yeah, And I was like, but yes, it's

706
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: a culture. People in that pop culture have to act

707
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: cooler than they are people in this culture have to

708
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: act less good? You really see it too. At the

709
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: Grammy Awards, I feel like it's so funny once again

710
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: you'll see someone from country walk in and everyone's like, oh,

711
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: this hokey you know s ob Meanwhile, I'm like, this

712
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: dude sells like ten times the amount of tickets. You do, like, yeah,

713
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: you're not that cool, Like just chill, you know, just

714
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: just have fun. Why is it such a you know,

715
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: it's weird. They're like, oh, wow, they're so nice. Shouldn't

716
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: you just everyone? And I felt that way too early,

717
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: but now I just take it. I'm like, I'm the

718
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 1: nightsest guy because I would go to meetings where and

719
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that it was so count or that culture,

720
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 1: but I would go to meetings and pitch TV shows,

721
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: not for me, because I produced a couple of shows,

722
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: and I would go and I'll be like, I go

723
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: meet I met with Less before I got in trouble,

724
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: I wouldn't met with Less Moonves who was the president

725
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: of CBS and all his people. And I showed up

726
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: by myself at the gate and I just you know,

727
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: took an uber got out and they were like, you're

728
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: here by yourself. Where's it waiting for your team? I

729
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: was like, I'm the team and they were just so

730
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 1: shocked by it, and they said, they verbally said, this

731
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: never happens, nobody comes alone. This is still refreshing. And

732
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: I went, oh, I will not do this forever. So

733
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: when I go, and that's what I would have done anyway,

734
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: I go by myself and I show I get a

735
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: little backpack on, and I'm like, hello, guys. But they're like,

736
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: you're the nicest guy. I'm like, I'm not. But it is.

737
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,439
Speaker 1: It's it's a definitely a culture thing. But you guys

738
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: grew up where you grew up in Maryland. I have

739
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: to think felt like the South compared to its compared

740
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: from New York and Boston in a place where I

741
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: don't want to. I think it's it's interesting, and I

742
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: think it's probably a lot of why our music is

743
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: the way that it is. Is we It's like to

744
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: the Northerners, we are just like these red knecks down

745
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: where we're from, and then people from the South treat

746
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: us like word of these Yankees, and it's kind of

747
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: like we're in kind of everything. No one really wants

748
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 1: to claim us. I'm not really sure what's going on,

749
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 1: but it is a very like homogeneous thing where I

750
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 1: do we do feel part Northeast and part Southern. It's

751
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: really really strange. That's funny you say no one wants

752
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: to claim you, because I felt for a while, because

753
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 1: I'm not just saying this because you're here. I've been

754
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 1: fans of you guys since the first time I heard you.

755
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: I was just like, love you guys. And I think

756
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: I think even I would tell you guys that i'd

757
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: bring you on the show, and you play stuff and

758
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: you've been very supportive. And this isn't me. I don't

759
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: want to her mailbow patting myself in the back, but

760
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: my point is is that I felt like even the

761
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: format country music did that to you for a minute

762
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: to not but they're like a little too rock. And

763
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: then I'll be like, now there's a little two country

764
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: where you kind of were in that same spot where

765
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 1: no one wanted to claim you. Exactly did you feel

766
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: that way? Still? Still? I think you know. The thing

767
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: is is that we've realized I think there's a lot

768
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: of a lot of fans out there who are the

769
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: same um for whatever reason, and it's actually been Now

770
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: that we are where we are, I think we've done

771
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: really well touring because of that, and we've been able

772
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: to make a lot happen off of of of comparatively, um,

773
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: not a ton of radio success, and I think obviously

774
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: to a new artist, we've had a we have had

775
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: a decent amount of radio success, but we've gotten a

776
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: lot done with with with not much. And uh. And

777
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: to to come full circle, though, you mentioned something and

778
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,479
Speaker 1: we were kind of heading there with your story talking

779
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: about that that radio similar thing that was extremely bizarre

780
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: and I've told you this before, but um, we just

781
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 1: got to meet you. I think you were new to country,

782
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,040
Speaker 1: so everyone was like, I don't know about this guy. Know,

783
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: it's like fresh blood. Everyone's like, and you're immediately coming

784
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: into like one of the biggest like slots in radio. Um.

785
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: But you sat there through the entirety of our performance.

786
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 1: Most people could care less that we were playing. There

787
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: was very few people in the room that paid attention.

788
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: And I will always remember remember that you um attend

789
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: uve to the entire thing. Whether it was because you

790
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: felt incredibly sorry for us, I'm not really sure that

791
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: probably thank you you talk about it's you know when

792
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: you say we haven't had, as compared to new artists,

793
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: a lot of radio success. It's funny because there are

794
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: some songs that will hit number four but feel like

795
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: a number one with some artists, right not even know

796
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 1: you guys specifically, but urban will come in and I think,

797
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: like Gonna Fly or something was never a number one? Right, Well,

798
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, but it feels like a number

799
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: one because people were I feel like, because I had

800
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: to look at like the chart to see where you

801
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: felt like you guys get more credit for having radio

802
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: success because it feels like a lot of your songs

803
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: were bigger than maybe numerically they were getting. It's really yeah,

804
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: and you are right the way, there's a really kind

805
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: of a one of my favorite sayings amongst radio promos people,

806
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: as they always say, not every hits the number one,

807
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: and not everyone number one is a hit, and you know,

808
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 1: it is weird and John and I have just racker

809
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: brains all the time thinking about that. Some artists have

810
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: a bunch of number ones and you can't remember them,

811
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: and then some people have hardly any number ones, but

812
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: you remember all of their material, and I don't know

813
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: why it works. That way. But I definitely feel that

814
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: way for us, and that was why I really particularly

815
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: missed playing in front of a crowd for a year

816
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: and a half. Is for us, like a song like

817
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: all Night, we felt like that would be a big hit.

818
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: It was, it did okay, But now that we're out

819
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: playing it, it's like you would have thought the song

820
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: was was that number one for a month? I mean,

821
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 1: it's people go bananas for it now. It was really

822
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: hard for us too. I think it went to like

823
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: twenty on the charts or something like that. That that

824
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: was that felt like, it's like with this rejection. But

825
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: usually John and I don't pay a whole lot of

826
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: attention to that because we're seeing it live and we're like, okay,

827
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: it's working. But now that we are um back at it,

828
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, now I get you know, what what

829
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: we do? Why we do what we do because it works? Uh.

830
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: And it was extremely hard for us in the pandemic

831
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: to just only be able to look at a chart

832
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: position that was the one. Again, who knows what chart

833
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 1: I'm looking at here? I think this was maybe media base. Yeah, okay,

834
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: So All Night was one of the ones that I

835
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: specifically pulled and was like this thing was only in

836
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: the twenties. Here's a clip of All Night. Another one

837
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: was and I bet you that it just lights up

838
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: a live show. It ain't my fault. Yeah, I gotta

839
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: imagine hands come up and that, oh yeah, every night

840
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: it is. Well, yeah, I gotta imagine people hit this

841
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: song as hard as any number one live. Well. Yeah,

842
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: the thing is our biggest which does very well, Our

843
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: biggest song on UM the chart position wise or whatever

844
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: was stay a little longer, but people come. The majority

845
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: of the crowd the song they're waiting to hear is

846
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: this one? I mean, is it ain't my fault? Yeah,

847
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: that's the one that they call for the most, you know,

848
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: stay a little longer. It was being our only number

849
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 1: one it UM. People love that song, but they stay

850
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 1: for all night. They want to hear it, but they

851
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: stay for that. And right now we're onto our current single,

852
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: I'm Not for Everyone, and we're it's charting, we're doing

853
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: pretty good, but we're like, hello, can we like can

854
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: we get moving here? Like this? Were still just like

855
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: hanging in the forties, like what's going on? But now

856
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: that we're going out and we can play it and

857
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: people are already responding like we're playing um a hit song.

858
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, it's just that there's some there's other

859
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: things that play here more than than just a chart position.

860
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: It's a huge part of what we do, but it's

861
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: not the only thing. And it can be can it

862
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: can drive I think it even artists that have lots

863
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 1: of number ones. If you just look at a chart,

864
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: it really will just eat you from the inside out.

865
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: It's really frustrating, especially from like the forty two to

866
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: thirty one spot that's like the swampy no man. So

867
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: you're just trying to climb out and if you can

868
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: get out, you got a shot. And then if you're

869
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: looking at the chart, especially being in this business now

870
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: for as long as we have, it's like we know

871
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 1: nearly everyone that's on the charts. When your friend jump you,

872
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I'm canceling dinner. I think it all

873
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: comes down to like what's your what Like what's your

874
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: own metric? You know? And there are people that live

875
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: and die by the chart. Um, And that's fine. If

876
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: that's your metric and that's what you base your success on,

877
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: that's fine. That's that's how you want to do it,

878
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: and it's great. I think for us, we have to

879
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: base our own success off of multiple metrics. Um. One

880
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: of them is how well we're doing on radio, but

881
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 1: most importantly, like t J touched on earlier, is how one,

882
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: how many butts are you put in seats? And to

883
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: how much fun are they having? And how much are

884
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,479
Speaker 1: they have? Much fun are they having during that song?

885
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 1: Can you feel the energy? And we have to go

886
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: off of that metric. You know, we've We're very grateful

887
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: for how we've done on country radio, considering that we

888
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 1: do sound different, um, and it has helped us immensely.

889
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: But if we only hung our hat on just the chart,

890
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: we would lose our minds, which is honestly why I

891
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: don't even look at it. I mean I don't because

892
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: what the hell can I do? I mean right, I'm

893
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: not gonna call a radio promoter or some guy up

894
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: and be like, hey, can you give me that five spins?

895
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: That's what our promo teams for. It's just gonna drive

896
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: me crazy. But every time they do play a song,

897
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,959
Speaker 1: it is a little advertisement for our band. And there's

898
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: also this really strange disconnect with radio. And as John

899
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 1: said to me, I think the ultimate just stat is

900
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,720
Speaker 1: just tickets. You sell tickets, and um, there are people

901
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: like Luke Holmbs who have lots of number ones, can

902
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: sell a lot of tickets, and then there's people that

903
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: like Stapleton who doesn't have a ton of radio success,

904
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: but we'll sell out everywhere he goes Casey Musgraves or

905
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: like an artist like Eric Church where he has radio

906
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: success but not as much as you would think for

907
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: someone who sells as many tickets as he does. And

908
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: that's the thing for me where I'm like, you know,

909
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: where you look at Miranda Lambert, you know a guy

910
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: will round on tour with her, I thought, to get

911
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: all these hits and the same thing for her. She

912
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: doesn't have a ton of number ones, but let's all

913
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: the people who have a lot of number ones can't

914
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: sell seats. That's my fun game and I think we

915
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: gotta go. It's a good but anyhow, but the and

916
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: that's the kind of also the thing like the arrow

917
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: that we lived in is amazing that I can tell

918
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,720
Speaker 1: you firsthand that kind of your radio helps sell tickets

919
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: and helps blow you off. I mean, we stay a

920
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: little longer. When that was a hit, it was night

921
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: and day what our shows did. Um. But at the

922
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 1: same time, there's so many other ways that there's and

923
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,959
Speaker 1: it's in some ways it's exciting and otherways it's also

924
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: exhausting because they're like, now it's like, we gotta get

925
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: thongs on the streaming services, and then we gotta do

926
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: things to promote here, and then we's so there's so

927
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: much to do, so many angles, and if you ignore

928
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: any one of them, you're really it's it's it's I

929
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: don't know if you're um kind of um. I'm trying

930
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: to think of a nice way to put this that

931
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 1: that I can say to your fans something clean, But

932
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: you're an idiot basically if you ignore any of those, well,

933
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: I haven't learned the TikTok dance yet to your new song,

934
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: So if you guys want to, it's not happening now,

935
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: you guys, I guess that's why I haven't learned it.

936
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: We should go a TikTok for you to sit stand

937
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: still like everyone can do this. Yeah what um? So

938
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: the tour we're not we're not for everyone. Yes, we're

939
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: not for everybody. Everyone, We're so did you name because

940
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: it's always your name? The song and the record, after

941
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,240
Speaker 1: the song, after the tour, and what order did that happen?

942
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: And did you name the tour this because you really

943
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 1: felt that or because it was a good song, or well,

944
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: a couple of different reasons. I mean, you know, you

945
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 1: we know, I don't know. We titled the record of

946
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: Skeletons because honestly, it's the song, the song Skeletons on

947
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: that record, But defined I think the record is kind

948
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: of the center piece. It's one of the keys. Was

949
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: it the first one? One of the first ones were

950
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: and um, and then we recorded I'm Not for Everyone.

951
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: It was one of the last songs, if not the

952
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: last song that we recorded. We thought we got one

953
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: more day, let's just do this song. And I'm like,

954
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: we're thinking, man, I'll sing a verse. That might be

955
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: kind of cool. It'll just be different. It'll never be

956
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: a single, but the fans will like it. And then um,

957
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,760
Speaker 1: we put the record out and then people started freaking

958
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: out about this song in particular, and I think that

959
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: has a lot to do with the message. I mean,

960
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: you look at the times that we're in now and

961
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: everyone is claiming you know who they are and this

962
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: is what I do. And also like coming to terms

963
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,240
Speaker 1: with the fact that you just can't please everybody, especially

964
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: in two thousand one. So we felt the traction of

965
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: the song, so we decided, you know, we got to

966
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: put it out and then us, um it is a

967
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: bit of our Montrail. We are accepting that we just

968
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 1: are not for everybody. You look at our songs, getting

969
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: the twenty at best for the most part, and then

970
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: um getting to Kneel and Travis, who are both a

971
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: very unique, very awesome left of centeral artists. It's just

972
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: kind of worked. The whole message seemed to come together

973
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: at one time. I wish I could say that we

974
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: were smart enough to see in the future like that,

975
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: but we're not. And it's just but we saw how

976
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: the thing was shaping up when we took advantage of it.

977
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: And I think it is one of those things that

978
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: you that John and I wrote it from the perspective

979
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 1: of of this is how we feel, and to our surprise,

980
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: so I think nearly everyone feels that way, you know.

981
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: Whenever I wrote So, I was some very personal things

982
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 1: in my first book, and I thought I'm gonna share

983
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: some stuff that's extremely vulnerable, and a lot of it

984
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: had to do with either the drug addiction my mom

985
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: had before she died, or a lot of the really

986
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: bad decisions that she made that influenced me, and that

987
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: I loved her, but it was a very tough relationship.

988
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: I mean, hex she got pretty much fifteen right, and

989
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: my dad laughed, so she had to. But I was going.

990
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: There was a lot of stuff, and even when she

991
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 1: reached her breaking point, she did some things that I

992
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: know she wouldn't be proud of, but because drugs had

993
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: a taking control of her. And so I wrote and

994
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: then that I was trying to tell the story of

995
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: someone who had been through that, not through her side

996
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: of it, but through mine. And I've never had a

997
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: drink of alcohol and never touched a drug because I've

998
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: been so scared of it. I wish I could. I mean,

999
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 1: and that, to me, the one thing I want to

1000
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: do is relax. I so um. But I wrote these

1001
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: stories and I thought, man, other people are gonna feel

1002
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: sorry for me. You're gonna tell me to shut up,

1003
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: but they're not going to understand. And I put it

1004
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: out and what I learned is and I say this

1005
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: because you just expressed the same thing to me. What

1006
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: I learned was I never felt so welcomed or like

1007
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: I was included, until I felt like I was so

1008
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 1: not included. I thought, this is my story. No one's

1009
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 1: gonna understand, nobody's gonna relate, nobody's gonna feel like me. Um.

1010
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: But it turns out that just because people aren't screaming

1011
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: about it doesn't mean they're not feeling it. Yeah, exactly,

1012
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: And that you know when you say we're not for everyone,

1013
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: we do. That's how I felt about me. But I

1014
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: would be doing a mean greet somewhere, you know, we'd be,

1015
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: I'd be doing so come up. I's like, you know

1016
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: the story about you know that that touched me and

1017
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: I felt that. I felt that severely when I came out.

1018
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: It was you know, I thought I didn't know how

1019
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: it would be received. I know some people would be

1020
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 1: supportive and some people would probably hate. But I think

1021
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: the thing that was really um one of the most

1022
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: um like recharging things of it or whatever or inspiring

1023
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: things to me were the parents and stuff being like,

1024
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: hey my kid, parents of other kids, yeah, are being

1025
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: like this is great. You know I've always I was

1026
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: getting a lot of that kind of stuff of just

1027
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: people who themselves weren't gay, but we're really close to

1028
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: someone who was, and this felt like just like a

1029
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: relief for them, and um, and that yeah, so I

1030
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: know what you mean. It was I didn't expect that

1031
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,439
Speaker 1: and it was one of the coolest experiences I've ever felt.

1032
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: Did you feel more love? And you just said this,

1033
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 1: but I just want to hear this from you again

1034
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 1: because I did. Did you feel more love than you expected?

1035
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 1: I did? And you know I'm and I've talked about this,

1036
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 1: um before, but is uh. I absolutely felt more loved

1037
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: than I expected. And I even feeling the love from

1038
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: people that I knew loved me. Um, it was. It

1039
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: just was so different. It was so overwhelming, and it's

1040
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 1: the thing I wish everyone got to experience, because everyone

1041
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: has loved more than they realized they are. And the

1042
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: kind of sad part is there's a lot of people

1043
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: don't talk about how much they love someone until they've

1044
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: died or something really true. Magic um, And you know,

1045
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: it was a difference of just like someone you know,

1046
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: it's like I compared to someone just leaves like all right,

1047
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: all right, love you man, see you later, as opposed

1048
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 1: to like someone grabbing you by their shoulders and being

1049
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: like I love you. Like it just was like, Wow,

1050
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 1: it's the same word, but it just hit in such

1051
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 1: a different way. Um that I just thought in that moment, wow,

1052
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 1: like just for this alone to feel this is um.

1053
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: It said something I wish everyone could feel at some

1054
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: point in time. Why at that point in time, like

1055
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: do you have a conversation like let's just do it

1056
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: now where you finally like, don't I just feel like

1057
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: telling people? Well, yeah, I mean I always wanted to

1058
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: come out, and this was a huge um hurdle from

1059
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: me because I was always really really afraid that I

1060
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: would look opportunistic, and so I never wanted it to

1061
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: never wanted it to be anything that would just not

1062
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: here here here, we need some publicity or whatever, um.

1063
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: And so in order to do that, I always felt

1064
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: like I need to do this. At the height of

1065
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: my career and then through the pandemic, I'm like, yeah,

1066
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: you I just really one was kind of the things

1067
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: that were important to me were very simple things, things

1068
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 1: that I've had my virtually my whole life was doing

1069
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: the same sitting around fire or having in some drinks,

1070
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: just you know, chewing the fat with people. That was

1071
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: I mean, the things that I was still having the

1072
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: same that were fun for me, and I'm like, I

1073
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 1: can do this, you know. When I when I was broke,

1074
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 1: I was having doing these same exact things, you know.

1075
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: So I just felt like at that point, like and

1076
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: then also, who who knows when you're at the height

1077
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: of your career, And so then the other fear was

1078
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: what if I have to you never know that you

1079
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: have passed the height of your career until you're on

1080
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 1: the way down, and then if I come out then

1081
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: it's still which just seems like I'd be jumping the

1082
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: shark to people. And so I just felt kind of

1083
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: stuck in this weird thing of like I'm unsure the

1084
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: perfect time. And then finally, just one day, I just

1085
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,399
Speaker 1: thought like I gotta do this, like and I gotta

1086
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: do it now, and I don't want to go back

1087
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,720
Speaker 1: to work to where I just did have distractions again,

1088
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: like I need to do this now where I can

1089
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: focus on it. And and the other thing too was

1090
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,439
Speaker 1: I want to be able to build my Why would

1091
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: I not want to get to the height of my

1092
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: career being just completely open about who I am and

1093
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,760
Speaker 1: what I am and John and I are really pride

1094
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 1: ourselves for just being who we are. I mean, hell

1095
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: Alard's where I'm not for everyone. It's kind of like

1096
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: their mission statement, so to speak. And so at that

1097
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 1: point I was like, it needs. I don't know that

1098
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: there ever is a perfect time, and there really isn't

1099
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: in your brain until you do it, and then you

1100
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: realize that was the perfect time. It was wild about

1101
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 1: that day, uh is that that morning was when the

1102
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: Morgan wall and stuff happened. And here I I go

1103
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 1: into I wake up thirty in the morning and clicking

1104
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 1: clicking to click, and I'm like the Morgan wall and stuff,

1105
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 1: and I'm getting hit by everybody because if somebody wants

1106
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: in this format, and I have to be careful now too,

1107
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: which I never thought would be the case with me.

1108
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: People just want to sound bite out of me and

1109
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 1: they're like, what do you have to say about Morgan Wallon?

1110
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: What do you have to say Morgan wall And I'm like, god,

1111
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: dang man, I don't know. I just saw this. I

1112
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: need And so I get on the air that morning

1113
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: and because I don't think your story came out until

1114
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,800
Speaker 1: the literal like eight thirty or nine o'clock that morning,

1115
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 1: which was also interesting because I hadn't even read the

1116
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: article until it went live for everyone else. So yeah,

1117
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 1: it was intense. It was an intense moment when the

1118
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: fun they went out. I'm on and I'm like, i

1119
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: gotta say about Morgan Wallin because I'm getting beat up

1120
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: about it. I'm gonna say how I feel. And no

1121
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: one has said anything because everybody's just kind of scared.

1122
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: They're all like, I don't want to say the wrong

1123
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: thing either way. So I get on and I'm like,

1124
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: all right, guys, here's the deal. He's gotta go away

1125
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: for a little bit, fixed himself, get he gets to

1126
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 1: come back. That was my message, like we don't cancel people, like,

1127
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: we don't need to cancel people for anything unless you

1128
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: heard a kid, you heard an animal, or are you're

1129
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: a really really bad person. Yeah, I said, We're not

1130
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: going to cancel him, but if you don't think he

1131
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: needs to go away and at least like come on,

1132
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: I said, I like Morgan. Morgan has been here, He's

1133
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: been over to the house heart. Yeah. So I'm dealing

1134
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: with this and I'm catching it on both sides. Because

1135
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: I'm the sensible one. I'm not canceling him. So canceled

1136
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 1: canceled country artists are hitting me up, going, I can't

1137
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: believe you do it. We know, the canceled artists and

1138
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: the people that are like no, he and I just

1139
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: being sensible was so tough because I got both sides.

1140
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: Then your story comes out, and I mean, I know

1141
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: you were gay, I did you know, But for me

1142
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: it was big do you said it? Because I was

1143
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: finally I would get to talk about it. And I

1144
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: went on the air and I mentioned it, and everybody's

1145
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: like talking about Morgan wall and who cares? And in

1146
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 1: in in a way in both ways like I felt

1147
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: irritated and great at the same time. Great that people

1148
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: weren't like, we need to hear because somebody's gay, because

1149
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: I just did a show called The Talk where they

1150
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: were talking about, you know, somebody being gay, and I

1151
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: was like, wouldn't be great if somebody was gay and

1152
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: that was you don't have to announce it. It's just

1153
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: part of life, and you know, and yeah, and it

1154
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: would be especially great for people who are gay. You know,

1155
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: I would love not to talk about it. And that's

1156
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 1: the weirdest thing. I have only verbally come out to

1157
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: anyone at this point. I mean, it was like, I

1158
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 1: mean maybe kind On one hand, I just people just

1159
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: kind of found out, like you know, I mean, hell

1160
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: A was extra neighbors with Amy, and I've lived there

1161
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: with my boyfriend in that house, and I'm sure it

1162
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 1: was not hard to figure out after amount with any

1163
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,919
Speaker 1: certain amount of time that we were together and so um.

1164
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 1: And then it was kind of this really intense thing

1165
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: because I'm like, when I'm about to come out to

1166
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: everyone and it's just awkward. It's a really awkward thing

1167
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: to do. It's it's rarely in context with anything that's

1168
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: being discussed amongst your friends. It's a really it's just

1169
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: a strange. It's just I don't really like to shock

1170
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: people either, you know. It's like I guess what you know,

1171
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: I don't. That's just not how I am. So I've

1172
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 1: always felt like so in some ways it was kind

1173
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 1: of relief to be able to just do it all

1174
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: on one thing. And the other thing it was relieving

1175
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: for me too is that I felt like it was

1176
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 1: kind of this burden for people that did know that

1177
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: felt like they didn't want to talk about or they

1178
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: could talk about it, or felt weird, can we talk

1179
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 1: about it? I'm like everyone in the room knows, like,

1180
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: you know, it's fine. I didn't really care all that much,

1181
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: but I felt like it was a relieving moment for

1182
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: them too, because I feel like it was unfortunately, um

1183
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: it was. I guess Mike crossed Barris so to speak,

1184
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 1: but I think there was lots of people who were, um,

1185
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: kind of felt the stress of that. Well. My my

1186
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: point was I would have liked that morning to have

1187
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: spoken about representation because I think it's so important where there.

1188
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 1: You just want to see somebody that is similar to

1189
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: you doing something great. Then you feel like you can

1190
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 1: do because I even me, growing up a poverty kid,

1191
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 1: I didn't see people like me doing cool things, and

1192
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 1: so I like to be that for them, and I

1193
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 1: like to do so I wanted to have that conversation

1194
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: and they were like, that's not for today talking and

1195
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: I was like kept hearing people who are like upset

1196
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,760
Speaker 1: that you're like, oh, Morgan wall and stole your thunder

1197
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 1: and and I was like, this wasn't about getting attention,

1198
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: you know. So I was like, I truly didn't care.

1199
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: If anything. I thought it was kind of a good

1200
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: moment to see that the variety of what country is

1201
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 1: going through at this moment. I mean, to have that

1202
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: on one hand and then this one the other is

1203
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:42,760
Speaker 1: just like wow, what a time for not only country

1204
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: but just kind of cultural things happening. UM. And I

1205
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: think for me it was just speaking about from my

1206
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: own experience and doing that is I think a lot

1207
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 1: of people just really think that, Yeah, both country fans

1208
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 1: and country artists that were just all these like really

1209
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: narrow minded you know, um Neanderthals or whatever they think,

1210
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure, and then to to kind of

1211
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: really be part of this group of people that I

1212
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 1: think is incredibly diverse, more than people realize. And and

1213
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: it's only really recently really becoming that way, but I

1214
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of country fans out there who

1215
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 1: have never really been able to have, um, to really

1216
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: be acknowledged that much too. And that we've noticed that people.

1217
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 1: I mean, you see it really especially with with like

1218
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 1: Kane out there and and Mickey, Jimmy Allen, these people

1219
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 1: that that now all these people of color haven't success.

1220
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 1: We see it at our shows, people of color, more

1221
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: people of color showing up. You know, before they loved

1222
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: it alone. They just felt uncomfortable, They didn't feel like

1223
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: they belonged um in the community, but they do. If

1224
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: you get a cold, does your voice get deeper? I

1225
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 1: don't have a cold, if that's what you're wondering now,

1226
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: if you did it does get deeper? Oh? Yeah, how

1227
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: I don't know you ever do voice Did you ever

1228
00:56:57,880 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: try to do voice over stuff? You know? I just

1229
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 1: really only kind of started talking about it and then

1230
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 1: about just doing it just mainly for fun. I mean,

1231
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: I can't imagine there's a ton of money in it,

1232
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: but I um, but recently someone told me that like

1233
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: pretty much every person in entertainment has been trying to

1234
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: do voice evers now because there's been so little work,

1235
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: like but now they do it all from home. Then

1236
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: I'm like they're like, no, we don't need more, just

1237
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: just just sink please, Well, let's not let it be

1238
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: lost on. This is like I would say, this is

1239
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,439
Speaker 1: the Lady A Effect where Charles Kelly is ten feet tall,

1240
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: so you don't realize Dave Haywood's like six two or six.

1241
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: And I say that about you because John, you have

1242
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: a deep freaking voice too, but you're just not quite

1243
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: right down there. I mean he had a lower voice

1244
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: than me when we were kids. I mean, I was

1245
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: in puberty and his voice was lower than I didn't

1246
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: even hit puberty puberty yet it was like, what you

1247
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: done here? You had an Adams Apple at five? What

1248
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: the hell is going on? I did? One time I

1249
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: got in trouble at school for some like silly thing.

1250
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: I was just kind of a class clown. And then

1251
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: I was able to get home in time to intercept

1252
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: the phone call and they thought they were speaking to

1253
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: my dad, and I was like, your son today, I'll

1254
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: deal with it. Tell me John about when you play?

1255
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: Is there something that you do see because you're so proficient?

1256
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: And I and I ask in this is And I

1257
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: don't mean to be insulting because sometimes people will say,

1258
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: hey man, you're pretty talented, and I get insulted by

1259
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 1: that because I'm not talented. I work hard. Well, there's

1260
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: you have to have both. You have to have talents,

1261
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: nothing without without working hard. So I ask in the

1262
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 1: way of naturally, did you have a gift that you

1263
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 1: felt early? Do you are you able to interpret playing

1264
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: or sounds sonic anything different than people you even play with?

1265
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 1: Like what is it about you that makes it special? Um? Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say that I'm special in any

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00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 1: regards not you. Yeah, it's special, um or it because

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00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: it is kind of binary when it is it in you.

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00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 1: But honestly, it's a It's a couple of things like

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00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: I picked up on guitar pretty quickly, quickly, um, But

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00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: on top of it, like I loved playing, and I

1272
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: loved the process and um. I remember watching the video

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00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: with John Maye a couple of years ago, and I

1274
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:13,479
Speaker 1: wish I had thought of this a long time ago,

1275
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: and he was saying, what makes people great is they

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00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 1: have to love the process of getting there. And there

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00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: are a lot of people that have natural ability, but

1278
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: they don't like the process of working at it. And

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00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: I think more important than natural ability is working hard

1280
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: at it, because you can have someone there's just a

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00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: little bit of talent um and they can work their

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00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 1: ass off and then they will get there eventually. Um.

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00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: And I've seen just the most natural musicians. I used

1284
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: to teach guitar when I was in high school, and

1285
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: then some of these kids could pick it up so fast,

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00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: but then they just wouldn't work hard at it. So

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00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: I genuinely loved learning. I love reading, I love knowledge

1288
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: and just soak it all in and it gets to

1289
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: a point and I don't want to get too metaphysical

1290
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: with anything, but there's something called flow, and we all

1291
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: get in it, you know, like you have some nights.

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00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know this when you're and stand up.

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01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: You have some nights were like, okay, I want to

1294
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 1: I'm battling this one out. I got through it. And

1295
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: the other nights it's like you're surfing on a wave

1296
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: and you just can't fall and not. This is getting

1297
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 1: kind of heavy, but there there used to be the

1298
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: term genius was referred to something that was like metaphysical,

1299
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: that lived above us, and we didn't actually have talent.

1300
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: We were to conduit conduit for talent um. But I

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01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: think there is something to it. Whereas you you get

1302
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 1: you work really really really really really hard, then your

1303
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: brain shuts off and then you just do it like

1304
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 1: your brain is not even your It's just I don't

1305
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 1: want to say autopilot because sounds bad, but you're just

1306
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 1: it seems like something else is flowing through you and

1307
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,919
Speaker 1: you just happened to be the vessel for it. And

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01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 1: you know that's I believe you. Look at players like me,

1309
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 1: look at Keith when he's in the zone. That's like

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01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 1: he's not even he leaves his body. Go look, I

1311
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: mean any pretty much any performance of Jimmy Hendrix or

1312
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: Steve ray Van, those guys have left their body and

1313
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: like something else is taking over. But that only comes

1314
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: with putting in your ten thousand hours and putting that

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01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 1: ten thousand hours in over and over and over and

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01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 1: over again to the point where your brain just shuts

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Speaker 1: off and it just happens. That was gonna be my question,

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01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 1: like do you get to flow if you didn't put

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Speaker 1: the work in the flow a product of hour a degree,

1320
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean. It's like I would

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01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 1: say for me, like there are certain days, like I

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01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't consider myself to be labeled as funny. I occasionally

1323
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: say funny things, but I don't think I'm a funny guy.

1324
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 1: But there will occasionally be a day where I am

1325
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 1: just like I don't know what's going on, but I'm

1326
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 1: just getting all of these like really hilarious things are

1327
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 1: coming to me and I'm saying I'm everyone's laughing, and

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01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 1: then I might try it the next day and everyone's like, well,

1329
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 1: you shut up, You're not funny at all. But I

1330
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 1: just had that flow that day, I was feeling funny.

1331
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 1: There was something going on. But you know, and I

1332
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,439
Speaker 1: do think that it is like the same thing, like

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01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: there isn't innate like just talent you would have like

1334
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 1: me having a low voice for instance, I didn't practice that.

1335
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 1: I just have it, and um, you know there is

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01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: an ability of Like for me, it was like, well,

1337
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 1: I can't sing like a lot of really and crazy

1338
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: good singers like you know whoever, just whoever comes to mind,

1339
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: Bruno Mars or whoever. But I had to really learn

1340
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 1: of like how to make a single note like a

1341
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 1: whole note really feel like I was singing twenty notes

1342
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 1: or whatever. And that's something. Yeah, it does take it

1343
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: takes a lot of time. But the reason why you

1344
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 1: were able to work on it. And in the instance

1345
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 1: when Drop playing guitar, so he just really really liked

1346
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: it more than the average person. Most people listen to it.

1347
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 1: They don't want to figure it out. It's like I

1348
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 1: can go out and like try to build a house

1349
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:29,440
Speaker 1: and just get a bunch of nails and start hammering

1350
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 1: things together, but until someone really still you work at

1351
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 1: how to actually frame a house out or how to

1352
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 1: cut this board properly? Um, is all the difference. Yeah,

1353
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 1: I actually loved practicing. So going back to what we

1354
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 1: were talking about earlier, you know, I had a scholarship

1355
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 1: at Belmont to play upright bass and um and and

1356
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Yeah, and played the Baltimore Symphony Orchestra.

1357
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 1: But I never really liked practicing. I did it because

1358
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 1: I had to, and I enjoyed the playing side of it,

1359
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,439
Speaker 1: but I never I I just didn't want to sit

1360
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 1: down and do it. But guitar, you, no one ever

1361
01:02:57,640 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 1: had to tell me to do it. I couldn't get

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01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 1: it out of my hand now. In fact, there was

1363
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 1: be times where I would be like, oh my god,

1364
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, he'd still be playing guitar, and

1365
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, dude, like we're gonna be

1366
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: up in like six hours, like shut up, and I

1367
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know why. I would be like

1368
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 1: all right, and then he'd be like and then he

1369
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 1: would be like, Okay, well let me play something that

1370
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 1: because we shared a bedroom growing up and we grew

1371
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 1: up in a really humble, humble means, and so he

1372
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 1: would um, yeah, he would then just play like something

1373
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 1: chill to fall asleep. What were you and not a

1374
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 1: therapist here, But what were you chasing by trying to

1375
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 1: get so good at the guitar? I don't know. I

1376
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 1: mean it there is a bit of an addictive quality

1377
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: to it, you know, um I was. It was probably

1378
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 1: if you would if you wanted to go into the

1379
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 1: biological side of it is probably serotonin and dopamine hits,

1380
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 1: just like anybody that's addicted to anything. I just couldn't.

1381
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 1: I no one ever told me to do it. It

1382
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 1: wasn't even a choice. I never said go and said

1383
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 1: I'm going to choose to want to do this, and

1384
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 1: I just wanted to do I think I sat away

1385
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 1: from mostly That's why I find it so hilarious when

1386
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 1: someone's like, I'm retired ring from music, so like literally

1387
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 1: you're never in your life going to sing or anything

1388
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 1: ever again. But honestly, and a big part of it,

1389
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 1: for me, to a big side of it was in school,

1390
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 1: I was like, by far the farthest thing from the

1391
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 1: cool kid, very quiet, very shy, very sensitive, picked on

1392
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 1: by the bullies and all the cool kids. And my

1393
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 1: guitar for me was like, Okay, this is my place.

1394
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 1: I feel invincible here and maybe it just like your

1395
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 1: saace my safe place, and I felt like it became

1396
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 1: my identity and maybe I was chasing that. I don't

1397
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 1: really know a hundred percent, but I just absolutely loved it.

1398
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 1: And I'd be in school and I'd be like hiding

1399
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 1: from my own shadow. And then it is therapeutic, you know,

1400
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 1: like your oldest sister Rachel, who um, you know, God

1401
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 1: blessed her. She's a wonderful person, but can't she cannot

1402
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 1: was not blessed. If you're if you are blessed with music,

1403
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 1: she certainly was not, and she would admit that, and

1404
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 1: so she always said she she's like, anytime you guys

1405
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: are arguing her a moment gets awkward, she's like, you guys, whistle,

1406
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 1: You'll be like, we like what her and we does

1407
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 1: instantly kind of get lost in music, and I think

1408
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 1: there's like there's something there which is also writing songs

1409
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 1: those types of things. It is a it's like it

1410
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 1: is a form of therapy. But it was also very

1411
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 1: much a kind of a quiet kind of I loved

1412
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 1: solitude and you know, I could go to my room. Unfortunately,

1413
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 1: I don't know what I would be as a teenager.

1414
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 1: Now there's way too you know where they're subjected to,

1415
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 1: you know, TikTok and all these being an Instagram influencer,

1416
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 1: and then all these video games, which we had video

1417
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 1: games as a kid, but they're nothing like they are now.

1418
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just like I don't know, you

1419
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 1: played it and whatever. So I was addicted to guitar.

1420
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 1: And if I ever felt and I've struggled with anxiety,

1421
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 1: I have had anxiety my whole life, and I've I've

1422
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 1: done a lot of work around it, but guitar for

1423
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 1: me was my medicine. So if I would ever fell

1424
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 1: nervous or anxious or any type of um like hinging

1425
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 1: on or virginal and depression, guitar wol always bring me

1426
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 1: back to center. And that's that's has a lot to

1427
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 1: do with it as well. You know, I asked, you know,

1428
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 1: what were you chasing? And because I think for well,

1429
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 1: for me, I know what I was chasing when I

1430
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 1: was a kid and I was trying to perform at

1431
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: anything was radio. If it was I was getting on stage,

1432
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 1: it was I didn't have love at home, so I

1433
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: was trying to get it somewhere else. Yeah, absolutely right,

1434
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 1: And I as I'm you know, I'm engaged and you know,

1435
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna get married soon and all. And she has

1436
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 1: to slap me in the head sometimes and go, hey,

1437
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 1: you know what, you don't have to like chase that

1438
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 1: sometimes like you're loved. That's good, that's good. And it's

1439
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 1: the first person to ever do that to me. And

1440
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 1: I actually understand what they mean. But and I but

1441
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 1: I've never heard that, because that's another thing you could

1442
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 1: actually be chasing that serotonin. That for me is wild

1443
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 1: to think about. And I know why I did it, right,

1444
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: I know what I'm still doing it, honestly. You know,

1445
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 1: some of that childhood trauma stuff you just don't shake.

1446
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 1: You better. One of the hardest things. And it's amazing

1447
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 1: that you have such a strong woman that kind of

1448
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 1: shakes you and rattles you out of that. Because what

1449
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 1: is enough? You know, what is enough success? You know?

1450
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 1: It's like I was talking about with some of these artists,

1451
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 1: some of the biggest artists in the world. They don't

1452
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:09,959
Speaker 1: need the money anymore. I mean, there's something else here

1453
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 1: that they can't shake. There's you know there. It's how

1454
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 1: good a Grammy and you get one? It's like, well,

1455
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 1: how many can I get? I want to have the

1456
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 1: most I want to I want to have the biggest tour.

1457
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 1: I want to sell the most tickets, I want to

1458
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 1: be sell the most records, and um and it it's

1459
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 1: hard not to get caught up in in that, you know,

1460
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 1: I think, I mean everyone, it starts to feel very

1461
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 1: much like a competition and like a celebration at any

1462
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 1: point in time, especially like radio. I mean, it's all

1463
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 1: ratings and where you place, you know, any more judgment.

1464
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 1: It's like crazy, but it gets I mean, and the

1465
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:41,920
Speaker 1: reason why you don't look at it because I did.

1466
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 1: That's why we don't look at the chart. I mean,

1467
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 1: it does drive you. So at the end of two

1468
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 1: thousand nineteen, I had a pretty epic meltdown, just like

1469
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 1: very It was really really bad and um, you know,

1470
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:56,919
Speaker 1: I ended up. My anxiety was at like this crazy high.

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01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 1: And I've always kind of dealt with it one or

1472
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 1: the other. Um And I've never really I mean, don't

1473
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 1: get wrong, I've liked a party and I like to

1474
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 1: do things to assist me in partying. But I've never

1475
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 1: struggled with it, like I never wake up going man,

1476
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 1: I drink like I've never struggled with the addiction in

1477
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 1: that way. But I have struggled with workaholism, and my

1478
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 1: and I you probably struggled with this too. I've always

1479
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 1: felt like, Okay, if it's getting weird, I'll just work

1480
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:24,680
Speaker 1: harder and then that will solve my problems, because it

1481
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:27,640
Speaker 1: has done that for years. And really I'm just distracting

1482
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:30,720
Speaker 1: myself from the inevitable monster that is about to envelop me.

1483
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:32,639
Speaker 1: And it did. In the end of two thousand nineteen,

1484
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:35,559
Speaker 1: I went to um this place called on Site for

1485
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 1: three weeks. It was a full on thing, you know,

1486
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 1: it was it was, It was bad. I got to

1487
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 1: the point where it was suicidal, and I ended up

1488
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 1: with tonightus ringing in my ears, brought on by a

1489
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 1: lot of other different things. I wasn't sleeping. It got really,

1490
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 1: really ugly. And it occurred to me at some point

1491
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:56,679
Speaker 1: that when I was a kid, I would play a guitar.

1492
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 1: When I would feel that way, you know, I would

1493
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 1: play guitar. It would take me out to that, you know.

1494
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 1: If I was in school and I was anxious, I

1495
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 1: would go and play guitar. If I was at home

1496
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 1: and it was too much, was at home with like

1497
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 1: you know, our parents fighting, I would go into the

1498
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 1: room and I'll play guitar, and I always made me

1499
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 1: feel better, and then I pursued a career in music.

1500
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is fun, and then this is great

1501
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:17,799
Speaker 1: and I get to do it all the time. Um, meanwhile,

1502
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 1: I'm not really I'm not really taking care of my

1503
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 1: inner child, which is really what it all boils down to. Um,

1504
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:26,719
Speaker 1: I'm just ignoring it and I'm making myself feel better,

1505
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 1: you know. And of course I had moments of like

1506
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 1: I'll just drink my way through it and smoked weed

1507
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:32,760
Speaker 1: my way through it or whatever I had to do.

1508
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 1: And then um, it got to the point where all right,

1509
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:39,680
Speaker 1: we made it. We're success successful, We're Grammy nominated, we're

1510
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 1: winning awards, we're buying houses. At the time when this

1511
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,559
Speaker 1: is happening, we're on tour with like this dream line

1512
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 1: up with Alison Krause bonding right, and Willie Nelson our

1513
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:52,839
Speaker 1: three favorite artists period of all time, top three, And um,

1514
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:54,960
Speaker 1: I had a meltdown and I couldn't do it anymore.

1515
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 1: I I broke down the tour, which was like farm made.

1516
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 1: I mean, all these like really huge at this huge moment,

1517
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 1: and I think in two things I realized happened one

1518
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 1: I realized that now the very thing that brought me

1519
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:12,719
Speaker 1: out of anxiety was now the the was now giving

1520
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 1: me anxiety, was now the reason for it. Because you know,

1521
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:19,879
Speaker 1: if I felt judgment, I'd play guitar. If I felt anxious,

1522
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 1: I would play guitar, um, if I felt picked on whatever,

1523
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:26,599
Speaker 1: I play guitar. Now this thing is like you're judged

1524
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 1: a lot, you know, which again we don't look at

1525
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 1: the charts. I try to ignore a lot of that stuff,

1526
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:33,759
Speaker 1: but it is a lot of judgment that you get

1527
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 1: every day and it's like you'll sign on to Twitter

1528
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 1: and you're like, whoa man. You guys are piste off

1529
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 1: about things and we didn't even do anything and you're

1530
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 1: mad at us. So it became a lot. So then

1531
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 1: I had nothing to fall back on. The I didn't

1532
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 1: even want to play guitar. It was awful. And the

1533
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 1: other thing I realized when I was there, and through

1534
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 1: a lot of therapy that I've done since then, is

1535
01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 1: you this is not an uncommon situation to be in.

1536
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 1: You know, I person growing up and having you know, trauma,

1537
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 1: and we all have trauma. No one is uh no one,

1538
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 1: no one gets a hot best. We all have trauma,

1539
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:11,640
Speaker 1: big trauma, small trauma. You have it and you have

1540
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:13,720
Speaker 1: to deal with it at some point. And it is

1541
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 1: it is so not unusual for someone like myself or

1542
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:22,679
Speaker 1: or really any of us to pursue a goal because

1543
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:26,599
Speaker 1: we are we're we have this false notion that once

1544
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:28,720
Speaker 1: we get it, everything will be better. And then the

1545
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 1: problem is and this happens all the time, and you see,

1546
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 1: it happened all the time with movie stars, with musicians,

1547
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:38,640
Speaker 1: just big, you know, anyone that that finally succeeds in

1548
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 1: their dream once they got it, they realized, oh no,

1549
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 1: that actually didn't do it. And I've like spent twenty

1550
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 1: years trying to figure that out. Now what And when

1551
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 1: you realize that, you look behind you and that giant

1552
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 1: monster is huge because you never dealt with it. And

1553
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:57,920
Speaker 1: a lot of times that's why people end up with

1554
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 1: bad drug addictions and alcohol addiction and rehab and stuff

1555
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:04,600
Speaker 1: like that, because they never dealt with their problem to

1556
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 1: begin with. So fortunately, through the love of my family

1557
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 1: and my wife and friends and the people that we

1558
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 1: work with, our management was amazing, the label was amazing.

1559
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 1: J Joyce or produced was amazing. They're like, stop everything,

1560
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 1: We're done for a month, go go take care of yourself.

1561
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:22,599
Speaker 1: And I did that. I'm so glad that I made

1562
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 1: it through because not everyone does. It's crazy to talk

1563
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 1: about being a workaholic and we're almost done here, but um,

1564
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:30,800
Speaker 1: like I I experienced that right like I hide from

1565
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 1: things or did still do get a little better because

1566
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:36,680
Speaker 1: I have a good supports system now still do. But

1567
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:39,560
Speaker 1: I went on site too because I was like, oh,

1568
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:42,479
Speaker 1: it get like whatever is about to happen ain't supposed

1569
01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 1: to be about to happen. It's like you start to

1570
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:47,719
Speaker 1: crack and I just wanted to catch the cracks before

1571
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 1: they turned into just full scale earthquakes. Yeah. So as

1572
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 1: like I have empathy for you, I don't have I

1573
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 1: have sympathy for anyone that's going through anything, but have

1574
01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 1: empathy because I I understand, right, And let's as what

1575
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:02,640
Speaker 1: we talked about what comes background full circle lend on

1576
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 1: this that so many people understand. But because you're only

1577
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 1: talking about it because it's not on social media, because

1578
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:11,680
Speaker 1: it's not on Facebook, everybody thinks they're alone. Dude. That

1579
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:14,720
Speaker 1: is that is? That is it? That is it? Right there?

1580
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:17,639
Speaker 1: And I've told so many people this the problem that

1581
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 1: we face in this world, and I think it's a

1582
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 1: bit of an epidemic, is that everyone we're also connected,

1583
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 1: yet we all feel so alone. Because you post all

1584
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 1: of your highlights on social media. That's not who you are,

1585
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 1: That's not who you really are. That's why when you

1586
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:35,920
Speaker 1: wrote those things in your book, it made people feel

1587
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 1: vulnerability is everything. That's that's where connection happens. I don't

1588
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:41,600
Speaker 1: go hi, I'm John Osborne. I have won all these

1589
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 1: awards and blah blah blah blah, no one cares. But

1590
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:45,799
Speaker 1: if I said hi, I'm John was when I struggle

1591
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 1: with really bad depression anxiety. Immediately, vulnerability creates connection and

1592
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 1: and talking about it, it's kind of intuitive, talking about

1593
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 1: it keeps you from being alone. But you're right, Bobby is.

1594
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:57,760
Speaker 1: And when John was going through a lot of this stuff, um,

1595
01:13:57,840 --> 01:13:59,600
Speaker 1: you know, people were coming up like man, you know,

1596
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 1: like my son went through this, we're going through this.

1597
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:05,760
Speaker 1: People that I was really close to, and I had

1598
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 1: no idea that they were dealing with extreme problems and

1599
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:10,680
Speaker 1: no one was talking about it. And I kind of

1600
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 1: felt like wow, you know, and I thought, well, part

1601
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 1: of why John is in the condition he's in is

1602
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:16,719
Speaker 1: that he felt so alone and that he couldn't complain

1603
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 1: about it because it was it was like maybe he

1604
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 1: felt it was weakness or he didn't want to feel

1605
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 1: like he was letting anyone down and that he needed

1606
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 1: a man up and get it together when there was

1607
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:28,720
Speaker 1: tons of people around you at any given day that

1608
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 1: are going through some really really severe things. And that

1609
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 1: really was eye opening to me. I was like, Wow,

1610
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 1: I just wish people talked about him. Oh yeah, me too. Well, listen,

1611
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 1: you know I adore both to you guys. Likewise, man,

1612
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:41,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I couldn't on a fundamental level respect and

1613
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 1: just love you guys likewise for somebody I don't hang

1614
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 1: out with like I love you, I don't hang out

1615
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:49,800
Speaker 1: with anybody really, I got like two people to hang

1616
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 1: out with. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I don't know exactly.

1617
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 1: You gotta go to bed in like two hours, but

1618
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 1: I do, and I sincerely mean and I don't tell

1619
01:14:57,280 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 1: a lot of people that because I don't mean it.

1620
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 1: But of that from you, I hope you guys know

1621
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 1: that it is as legitimate from me as it possibly

1622
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 1: could be. Thank you and you and you said, hey,

1623
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 1: I needed I need to be picked up. I'm down

1624
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 1: in Madison broken down, I would come and pick you up.

1625
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:14,720
Speaker 1: We know that, we absolutely know that. Yeah, and and

1626
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 1: I And it makes me feel good to know that

1627
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:20,520
Speaker 1: you are also privy to your to your own um

1628
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:22,479
Speaker 1: you know, trials that we all deal with, and that

1629
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:25,559
Speaker 1: you have your soon to be wife who's there just

1630
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:27,439
Speaker 1: to slap you across the head and remind you, hey man,

1631
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 1: sometimes it sucks, but it is the best medicine you

1632
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 1: will ever get. Like I I have. I'm forty one

1633
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:38,639
Speaker 1: now right, I've never been engaged, never even been close

1634
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:41,920
Speaker 1: to being engaged, never been married. And it's the first

1635
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 1: I never lived with anyone. So it's like now she

1636
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 1: will just go no, yeah, kind of like, wait, I don't.

1637
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 1: I don't understand that. What do you mean, what do

1638
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 1: you mean? You know? I just want to go spend

1639
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 1: six hours playing golf with my friends. And she's like, no, no,

1640
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 1: we have two dogs, we've the groceries to go get.

1641
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:07,439
Speaker 1: It's not responsible, No, I don't. And it's and and

1642
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 1: it's that the real life stuff. But then it's also

1643
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:13,080
Speaker 1: the I will spiral and she's like, and we'll end

1644
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 1: on this. This is because we're sharing here. Can I

1645
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:18,200
Speaker 1: also ask you a question. Is those times where she's like, no,

1646
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:19,840
Speaker 1: you're not going to go out and do that and

1647
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:21,560
Speaker 1: then you stay home. Are you like, Wow, this is

1648
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 1: actually kind of nice. Yeah. At the in the end,

1649
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, she write, but I don't say that out out.

1650
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:31,479
Speaker 1: We were um my TV show that was on NAT

1651
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 1: G O and it's doing really well. I haven't I

1652
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 1: haven't watched to show you, but just the reels. I'm like,

1653
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:41,840
Speaker 1: once we're finished with this, so we don't don't keep going,

1654
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:43,720
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about the Barges because they

1655
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 1: both he and I live on the river and we

1656
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 1: see the Barges. I've got a million questions. Well, so

1657
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 1: we do this show, and I'm like, I've been waiting

1658
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 1: to do my own I created this show myself, and

1659
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 1: it's kind of like part Jackass, part dirty Jobs, part

1660
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 1: what I do on the radio show. But I've combined

1661
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 1: all these elements things I love and made this show

1662
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 1: about people with adversity, and I'm like, I just want

1663
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 1: to get it on the air. Now Joe buys it,

1664
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, Oh, I just it's gotta have

1665
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 1: huge ratings. One comes out huge ratings. I'm going crazy

1666
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 1: every week I'm going crazier about something else. It gets

1667
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:13,160
Speaker 1: on Disney Plus, it's not Disney Plus, it's on the

1668
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:14,720
Speaker 1: front screen. And I'm like, if I'm on the front

1669
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 1: screen and it's not one of the biggest shows, they're

1670
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 1: not gonna want it anymore. And she will grab me

1671
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 1: and say, you are spiraling like you have to and

1672
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:27,760
Speaker 1: I listen, and I don't listen to anybody that the

1673
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:29,880
Speaker 1: blind right. We all have a blind spot and you

1674
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 1: have to have someone there to tell you what's in

1675
01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 1: that blind spot. And she's doing that there. Okay, listen,

1676
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:40,080
Speaker 1: you guys. Brothers weren't gonna be out. We're not for everyone.

1677
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:43,880
Speaker 1: The tour dates all July nine through November twenty, They're out.

1678
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:45,599
Speaker 1: You're out all the time. I've never seen so many

1679
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:51,799
Speaker 1: dates in one apparently they're doing four shows in Boston

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Speaker 1: in one hour. Apparently. Um, but but you know, you

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Speaker 1: guys check it out as you can see. UM. I

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Speaker 1: love the guys. Follow them at Brothers Born, very funny

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Speaker 1: on social media. I appreciate you guys this time. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you. We did an hour. We did over an hour.

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Speaker 1: That's sometimes he needs go fifteen minutes and I'm like, well,

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Speaker 1: I was good folks. But I just appreciate you guys,

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Speaker 1: and I see you Sam. Likewise, buddy here