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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A beautiful little six year

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Speaker 1: old girl vanishes from a little league game, never seen again.

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Speaker 1: I'm messy, Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: A six year old girl catching lightning bugs with friends

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Speaker 2: goes missing from a baseball game just yards away from

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Speaker 3: Morgan Nick, six is a loving big sister to siblings

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Speaker 3: Logan and Karen. After her parents' divorce, Morgan becomes much

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Speaker 3: more reserved. She seems to settle into their new home

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Speaker 3: in Alma, Arkansas after adopting a young kidd Mom Colleen

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Speaker 3: Nick is grateful to see Morgan coming back out of

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Speaker 3: her shell after her girl Scout meetings. She's a very

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Speaker 3: dedicated daisy. Morgan also has big dreams for the future,

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Speaker 3: but can't decide if she would rather be a circus

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Speaker 1: What a beautiful, beautiful girl. Sugar and spice and every

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Speaker 1: everything nice. Torn between being a doctor, a medical doctor,

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Speaker 1: She seemingly vanished into thin air. Her mother just yards

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Speaker 1: away at a little league game full of children and

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Speaker 1: families screaming and yelling supporting their kid out there on

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Speaker 1: the field. What could be a more wholesome environment a

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Speaker 1: little league game, Morgan goes to try and catch fireflies

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Speaker 1: lightning bugs with her little friends. Mom is watching, and

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Speaker 1: then shortly after that it's time to go, but no

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Speaker 1: Morgan joining me an all star panel to make sense

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Speaker 1: of what we know right now, But first listen to

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter crime online dot Com Sydney Sumner.

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Speaker 4: Colleen Nick is invited to join a friend for a

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Speaker 4: minor league baseball game in Alma, Arkansas. Colleen is hesitant

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Speaker 4: and the game starts fairly late. Colleen eventually agrees, bringing Morgan.

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Speaker 4: At the field, two other children ask Morgan if she

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Speaker 4: wants to catch fireflies with them in a green space

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Speaker 1: This is a parent's worst nightmare, and the mom was

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Speaker 1: just yards away and watching Morgan, watching her play with

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Speaker 1: the other little girls her age. It's not like mom

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Speaker 1: wasn't nearby. But then just a few moments later, the

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Speaker 1: games begin to wrap up. Everyone's getting up out of

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Speaker 1: the stands, getting ready to leave, and this happens.

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Speaker 5: Colleen keeps an eye on the children from her spot stands,

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Speaker 5: but gets distracted. Around ten thirty, when the game is

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Speaker 5: wrapping up, the children Morgan was playing with return to

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Speaker 5: their parents in the stands, but Morgan isn't with them.

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Speaker 5: They tell Colleen Morgan had sand in her shoes and

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Speaker 5: Colleen says her goodbyes and goes to get Morgan around

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Speaker 5: ten forty five, but the six year old is nowhere

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Speaker 1: Joining me in All Star panel straight out to Alexis

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Speaker 1: Tereschuk Crime online dot Com investigative reporter again, every parent's

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Speaker 1: so worst a nightmare. You watch your child, You watch

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Speaker 1: your child, You watch your child. You turn around to

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Speaker 1: stuff you brought with you turn back, Morgan's gone, just

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Speaker 1: like that. Tell me what happened to Alexis.

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Speaker 6: So it was summer June in Arkansas and western Arkansas.

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Speaker 6: A town called Alma, and it's a small town, five

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Speaker 6: It's nighttime. She's playing with the other kids. That the

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Speaker 6: It is steps away from the baseball field. Their stands,

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Speaker 6: their metal stands, just what you would sit on in

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Speaker 6: your little league game park field. Anyway, she is playing

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Speaker 6: with these kids. They're catching fireflies or having a good time.

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Speaker 6: It's a warm summer night and the game is over.

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Speaker 6: So the kids come back, but Morgan doesn't come with

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Speaker 6: mom says, where is Morgan? She says, The children say, oh,

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Speaker 6: she'd stand in her shoes. The parking lot can be sandy, dirty,

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Speaker 1: She is gone. She's missing. This is at the foot

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Speaker 1: of the beautiful Ozark Mountains, very very rural, Alexis, What

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Speaker 1: did you say the population is?

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Speaker 6: It's really it's about five thousand people.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness. Okay, So Robin Drake

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Speaker 1: joining me formerly with the FBI, I'm going to give

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Speaker 1: all Robin's creds in just a moment. But Robin Jerike,

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Speaker 1: in an area this small, you don't expect an unknown

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Speaker 1: assailant to kidnap your child with the mom a few

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you don't unless that person that assails the child

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Speaker 7: as a repetition of doing this in the past, which

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Speaker 7: I think you probably did too.

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Speaker 1: Doctor and Judy Hoe renowned clinical in forensic neuropsychologist, author

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Speaker 1: of the New Rules of Attachment and a second book,

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Speaker 1: Stop Self Sabotage. You can find her a doctor Judy

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Speaker 1: hoeho dot com. Doctor Judy, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: You know, if I thought the mom was at fault,

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Speaker 1: I would be roasting her alive right now. I don't care,

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Speaker 1: and I have to this chagrin of many many viewers.

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Speaker 1: But from what I have learned in this case, mom

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Speaker 1: was doing everything right. She didn't leave the premises, she

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Speaker 1: didn't go to the hot dog stand, she wasn't involved

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Speaker 1: in conversations with another group of Little League moms. She

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Speaker 1: was there in the stands watching her daughter, who was

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Speaker 1: trying to catch fireflies. In a rural area at the

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Speaker 1: foot of the Ozark Mountains, crime rate practically zero. They

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Speaker 1: right where you're constantly on your guard, and she was

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Speaker 1: watching the child. I resent people attacking the mother in this.

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Speaker 8: Case, absolutely, Nancy. As you said at the top, this

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Speaker 8: is something that every vigilant parent has to do. Eventually,

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Speaker 8: turn around, pick up the bags, gather your belongings. It

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Speaker 8: could have been just merror moments and all of a

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Speaker 8: sudden she's not there. This is not about the mom

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Speaker 8: abdicating her responsibility. This is a vigilant, attentive mom and

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Speaker 8: it's just an absolute nightmare. And I don't think that

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Speaker 8: anybody should be attacking this parent because she was doing

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Speaker 8: exactly what she should have been doing, even in a

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Speaker 1: You know, doctor Judy Ho, I think people attack mom

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Speaker 1: because they want to blame someone. It makes me feel

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Speaker 1: better to go, oh, if mom hadn't been sleeping with

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Speaker 1: a sex offender, her daughter wouldn't have gotten murdered. Things

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Speaker 1: like that, And you know why I think I and

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Speaker 1: many other people do that. Now you're the shrink, not me,

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Speaker 1: because it makes us feel safer. Here's a great example,

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Speaker 1: Molly Tibbitts. Gorgeous young girl out jogging. Okay, she gets

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Speaker 1: out jogging. She is attacked and murdered. People again, why

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Speaker 1: it's easier to blame something rather than to accept that

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Speaker 1: They were doing nothing wrong. I think people put on

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Speaker 8: You're right, And I think that people want to feel

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Speaker 8: like they have a sense of control in the world,

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Speaker 8: So when something so unjust happens, you want to grapple

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Speaker 8: at an explanation, even if that explanation is blaming the victim. Somehow,

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Speaker 8: in a weird way, it actually makes you feel better

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Speaker 8: about the world that I can explain this so that

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Speaker 8: there's a good explanation for what happened. But guess what,

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Speaker 8: Sometimes the victims are not to blame and most oftentimes

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Speaker 8: they're not, and yet we still do it.

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Speaker 1: Alexis Tereschuk. So the mom is gathering at herstall. She

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Speaker 1: turns around. She can't say more than anywhere what happens?

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Speaker 6: Then the games are Morgan's mom cannot find her. She's

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Speaker 6: searching every she's having adults help. She asked the kids

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Speaker 6: in the parkment, She says, did you see anything? Where

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Speaker 6: was Morgan? The children say, we saw a red pickup truck.

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Speaker 1: To Matt mean Gino, high profile lawyer and former district attorney,

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Speaker 1: author of the executioner's Told Crimes, arrest Trials, Appeals, Last Meals,

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Speaker 1: final words of forty six people in the US, Matt

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Speaker 1: almost immediately Alma PD calls in help from the state

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Speaker 1: police and the FBI. They immediately put Morgan's picture out.

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Speaker 1: And that's part of my book, Don't be a victim.

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Speaker 1: How important it is you have a recent photo of

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Speaker 1: your child with you on your phone at all times,

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Speaker 1: and that you know what they are wearing the last

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Speaker 1: time you see them. Like I tell you right now

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Speaker 1: what my children were in school today, Okay, right down

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Speaker 1: to the socks, because I lead it out for them.

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Speaker 1: But you have to have that. The mom did have that,

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Speaker 1: and it went out immediately to the media, all over

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Speaker 1: the news. Immediately, officers set up a call center in

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Speaker 1: the courthouse and tips start pouring in. They even get

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Speaker 1: a mobile command center up within an hour and a half.

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Speaker 1: Everything's going right. Would you agree with that, Matthew Mangino.

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Speaker 9: You know, it sounds like everything's going exactly as it should.

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Speaker 9: But in this situation, you have an opportunity that you

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Speaker 9: don't have in a lot of abduction. Sometimes children are

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Speaker 1: You have it at a ballpark.

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Speaker 10: The first thing that you need to do is canvass

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Speaker 10: those people there and make sure that everybody who's at

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Speaker 10: about the circumstances around that ballpark during that game, what

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Speaker 10: they saw, what they observed, you know, did they tell

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Speaker 11: All that information is so important and it is unique

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Speaker 11: in a lot of circumstances compared with other child abductions.

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Speaker 1: Straight back out to Alexis Teresat Crime online dot Com

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter tell me the part about the mom getting

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Speaker 1: information for the little friends that Morgan had gone to

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Speaker 1: the car, is that correct? With the little friends are

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Speaker 1: the ones that told mommy.

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Speaker 6: Yes, she's been playing with I think two little friends

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Speaker 6: in the parking lot. It's summer. They're going to catch fireflies.

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Speaker 6: Super fun for little kids to do. And they're literally

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Speaker 6: They say, oh, you know what, she got sand in

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Speaker 6: here to y'all. But she's just right over there, no concern, nothing.

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Speaker 1: And then this listen.

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Speaker 3: One of the baseball team's coaches notices Colleen frantically searching

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Speaker 3: year old Morgan missing. Alma pde and Crawford County Sheriff's

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Speaker 3: perform intense grid searches, assuming Morgan had just wandered off,

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Speaker 3: but adult witnesses stop officers to say they saw a

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Speaker 3: man trying to talk to a little blonde girl. While

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Speaker 1: There is no coincidence in criminal law. I can assure

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Speaker 1: you of that. To Robin Driek joining us, a behavior expert,

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Speaker 1: former FBI Special Agent, chief of the FBI counter Intelligence

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Speaker 1: Behavioral Analysis Program, author of Sizing People Up, a veteran

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Speaker 1: When somebody says that date's creepy, it's not always just

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Speaker 6: They said, There's this man that people keep reporting in

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Speaker 1: You know, this truck is very distinctive, a red pickup

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Speaker 1: You know, Robin Drie former FBI. You can find them

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Speaker 1: at peopleformula dot com. We hear free crimes. But this

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Speaker 7: missing child and you now have someone who's creeping the

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Speaker 7: hell out of people and approaching other little girls. So yeah,

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Speaker 7: that's exact girl, the focus should be.

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Speaker 1: This brings to mind the case a beautiful little five

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Speaker 1: year old Dulce Alvarez. Listen.

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Speaker 3: Five year old Dulce Alavez is playing in the park

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Speaker 3: with her three year old brother while her mother sits

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Speaker 3: in her car thirty yards away talking to her sister

440
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Speaker 3: on the phone. Noema Alavez Perez says she thought her daughter,

441
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Speaker 3: Dalce was hiding, but when she went to look for

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Speaker 3: the five year old was gone. New Jersey State Police

443
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Speaker 3: issue an amber alert, believing Dulce has been abducted. Police

444
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Speaker 3: are looking for his spanning mail five foot six to

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Speaker 3: five foot eight, then build no facial hair acne on

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Speaker 3: his face. The man led Dulce from the playground to

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Speaker 3: a red van with a sliding door and tended windows.

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Speaker 1: Again in Dulce's case, light Morgan Nicks's case, all we

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Speaker 1: have to go on is a vehicle. Listen to this.

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Speaker 4: Three months with no sign of Morgan. Alma Pedi get

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Speaker 4: another report of an attempt at kidnapping. A man approaches

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Speaker 4: an eleven year old girl eating at a restaurant with

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Speaker 4: her brothers and a friend. He initiates a conversation with

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Speaker 4: the girl that has clear sexual undertones and offers money

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Speaker 4: if she'll leave with terrified. The girl screams and the

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Speaker 4: man flees in a red truck. In his hurry, the

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Speaker 4: man crashes into a poll and a bystander manages to

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Speaker 4: write down his license plate number before he drives off.

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Speaker 4: The driver is identified as Billy Jack. Links the case

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Speaker 4: even so seemingly goes cold.

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Speaker 3: But then this with no new leads on Morgan Nick.

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Speaker 3: Investigators review the early stages of the investigation. Everything points

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Speaker 3: to Billy Jack Lynx, so investigators decide to track down

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Speaker 3: his red truck. The truck has been sold several times,

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Speaker 3: but the latest owner agrees to lot authorities examined it

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Speaker 3: for evidence one more time. Investigators carefully comb the interior

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Speaker 3: for evidence with a high powered vacuum. They discovered several

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Speaker 3: blonde hairs in one of the vacuum canisters and send

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Speaker 3: it off for DNA testing.

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Speaker 1: Joining me now is the esteemed director of Forensic DNA Experts,

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Speaker 1: specialist in sex assaults and murder, former forensic scientists for

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Speaker 1: the Texas Department of Public Safe Safety. You can find

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Speaker 1: them at Forensics DNA Experts dot com. It's doctor Monty Miller,

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Speaker 1: DOCTA Miller. Thank you for being with us. Explain to me,

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Speaker 1: I need to understand this. How is it that even

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Speaker 1: though this red truck has been sold a couple of

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Speaker 1: times that DNA experts forensics experts are able to get

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Speaker 1: several strands of blonde hair out of that truck.

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Speaker 15: Well, first of all, they have some really good vacuums,

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Speaker 15: and you know, they'll vacuum and they'll do tape lifts

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Speaker 15: in all kinds of areas.

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Speaker 1: And you know, even if.

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Speaker 15: Someone cleans their car, there's a really good chance that

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Speaker 15: they're not going to clean all the nooks and cranny.

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Speaker 15: So that's one thing. The other thing is if this

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Speaker 15: had been a work truck and someone had been putting

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Speaker 15: stuff in and getting a lot of stuff out and

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Speaker 15: getting in and out, it's more likely that the hair

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Speaker 15: would have been lost. But being that it transferred hands

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Speaker 15: a few times, it might just not have been used

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Speaker 15: much in the hair might have just been left there.

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Speaker 1: Explain to everyone that's not familiar with an hvac what

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Speaker 1: it means that several blonde hairs are found in the

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Speaker 1: vacuum canister.

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Speaker 15: You know, I mean, it's like any vacuum. It has

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Speaker 15: a canister, only this is a pretty high speed one

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Speaker 15: that gives you a lot of suction, and so it

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Speaker 15: pulls up just about everything and here can kind of

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Speaker 15: get stuck to fabrics and things. And so it's a

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Speaker 15: really good vacuum, has a really good filter and it

501
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 15: tries to collect just about everything that's in that car.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace two, rub and Drake joining

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Speaker 1: us for FBI. Is it significant to you, because it

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Speaker 1: is to me if these hairs which are traced back,

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Speaker 1: they do belong to Morgan nix if they had a

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Speaker 1: root attached or they had just shed in the truck.

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Speaker 7: So it depends on what period of time in history.

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Speaker 7: Right now we can get a DNA match just with

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Speaker 7: the hair itself without a root back then most likely not,

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Speaker 7: And so our ability to really analyze DNA samples has

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Speaker 7: advanced a lot since she initially went missing.

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Speaker 1: Okay, everything you just said was correct, but I'm looking

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Speaker 1: for something different because I already know that the DNA

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Speaker 1: matches Morgan. Okay, the fact that the hair was torn

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Speaker 1: from her head. Last night, I picked up my cat

516
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Speaker 1: and I walked around with it, even though I say

517
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Speaker 1: I'm not a cat person, and the front of my

518
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Speaker 1: shirt was covered in cat hair. Okay, I didn't pull

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Speaker 1: the hair out of the cat. It transferred to me.

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Speaker 1: When you find the roots of the hair still attached

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Speaker 1: to all the hair, that tells me that in some

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Speaker 1: form the hair was yanked out of the head.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so there's violence involved when you have the route

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Speaker 7: there as well. So Yeah, there's I'm still just I'm

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Speaker 7: still just going on the probability that the hair was

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Speaker 7: there at all to begin with, So regardless of whether

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Speaker 7: it's yanked and you have the root or not, I'm

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00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 7: still this is just really pointing right at him.

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Speaker 2: A red pickup truck spotted at the scene of Morgan

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Speaker 2: Nick's abduction is tracked down. Will DNA found lead to answers.

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Speaker 1: Who is this guy? Links? What's so amazing is the

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Speaker 1: only way he was really tracked down is that, three

533
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Speaker 1: months after Morgan disappears and she has never been found,

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Speaker 1: he approaches another little girl with her family at a restaurant.

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Speaker 1: I mean again to Robin Drake. The mo is startlingly similar.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't care at the family is nearby. Therewith in eyeshot,

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Speaker 1: remember the little brothers. The girl screams, the man takes

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Speaker 1: off in a red truck, and that is at a

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Speaker 1: restaurant with the brothers, and he still goes up to

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Speaker 1: the little girl.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, he's a born behavior and intensity of moving in

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Speaker 7: on little children is escalating dramatically, and so he's definitely

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Speaker 7: on a behavior arc and collision with even worse things

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Speaker 7: that are to come.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know what you just said, behavior arc collision.

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Speaker 7: What Yeah, so he has a pattern of behavior. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: so he has a pattern of behavior of constantly going

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Speaker 7: after little children. His brazenness of it is getting more

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Speaker 7: and more escalated. For whatever reason, that's going sideways in

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Speaker 7: his life. It's getting worse, and so it's going to

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Speaker 7: continue to get worse.

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Speaker 1: Before Are you actually trying to blame something in his

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Speaker 1: life for what he's doing.

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Speaker 7: Oh no, this is all a choice, one hundred percent. There's,

555
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Speaker 7: as you've said numerous times on all your shows, now

556
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Speaker 7: there's an evil of foot inside of him and he's

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Speaker 7: making a choice to target little to girls.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Jory Crawsin, I hear what Drake is saying. What

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Speaker 1: is he talking about? The arc? The arc of the

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Speaker 1: defendants behavior.

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Speaker 13: Pedophiles, people that have sexual attraction to children or anybody.

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Speaker 13: There's this anticipation that builds. Part of it is the

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Speaker 13: stalking behavior. That's part of the drive and the choice. Okay,

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Speaker 13: they start to get the sexual arousal and excitement from

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Speaker 13: spotting a little girl like the one at the restaurant

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Speaker 13: with her brother. I could imagine that would create a

567
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Speaker 13: lot of excitement. The way he approached her. He was

568
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Speaker 13: so brazen. Look at the freedom that he felt in

569
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Speaker 13: talking with her and actually taking it to a sexual

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Speaker 13: level and offering money. All of that is building this

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Speaker 13: sexual excitement in him.

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Speaker 1: That's the drive.

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Speaker 13: And again that is choice you don't have to consider.

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Speaker 13: So something that happened in his life or anything like that,

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Speaker 13: that is a predatorial choice of the stalking behavior.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you what we know about Billy Jack Lynx,

577
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: born and raised there in Crawford County, Arkansas, in the Army,

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Speaker 1: worked for brand If Airlines in Dallas over ten years

579
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Speaker 1: before coming back to Arkansas, settling in Van Buren. But

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Speaker 1: he's charged with child sex abuse, pleads no contest, and

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Speaker 1: gets a suspended sentence. Two years later, three months after

582
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Speaker 1: Morgan disappears, he's charged with sex solicitation of a minor. Okay,

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Speaker 1: do you see the problem here, Matthew Mangino, He had

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Speaker 1: already taken a quote no contest a couple of years

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Speaker 1: before on child sex abuse. No contest means I don't

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Speaker 1: say I did it. I don't plead guilty or not guilty.

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Speaker 1: I just take a reduced sentence and go on my way.

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00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: Somebody let him off and then he goes and rapes

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00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: and kills Morgan Nicks. Her body has never been found.

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Speaker 1: But he was let off early on with no low contender,

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Speaker 1: a new contest.

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Speaker 9: Well, we don't know what the circumstances of that case are.

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Speaker 9: You know, sometimes in these types of cases where you

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Speaker 9: have young victims, they're reluctant to testify, you know, they

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Speaker 9: don't want to sit in a court room in front

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Speaker 9: of a group of people and talk about how they

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Speaker 9: were victimized.

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Speaker 1: Well wait, wait, it would be a cold day in

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Speaker 1: HGBLEL before I let a guy charge with child molestation

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Speaker 1: walk free. There's other ways to prove a child molestation

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Speaker 1: other than just the child victim. There's circumstantial evidence surrounding it.

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Speaker 1: There's outcry witnesses, there's potential medical physical evidence. Somebody dropped

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Speaker 1: the ball, that's what happened. A child molestation charge was

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Speaker 1: plat out shape to a nolo, a no contest, a

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Speaker 1: nolo contenderary and then he goes right back out and

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Speaker 1: starts molesting.

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Speaker 10: Well, there's no question that.

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Speaker 9: This young child would be alive today if there was

609
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Speaker 9: a more vigorous prosecution in that case. But we don't

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Speaker 9: know the circumstances. We don't know why he was allowed

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Speaker 9: to enter a no contest plea, and a lot of

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Speaker 9: times it is because there's a lack of evidence, there's

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Speaker 9: a lack of the victim wanting to be to relive

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Speaker 9: this victimization in a courtroom full of people. So those

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Speaker 9: are factors, you know, whether we like them or not,

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Speaker 9: they have an impact on the prosecution of cases.

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Speaker 1: And what about Mom. Listen from our friends at KATV. Emotionally,

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Speaker 1: I wasn't in real good shape then.

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Speaker 16: But if I said it once, I've said a one

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Speaker 16: hundred times. If we sit around and we're so upset

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Speaker 16: and we cry all the time and nobody can get

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Speaker 16: anything done, then we're not doing the best job that

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Speaker 16: we can.

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Speaker 1: For Morgan still fighting for justice for her daughter. Take

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Speaker 1: a listen to what she had to say to our

626
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Speaker 1: friend Oprah.

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Speaker 16: I am the only person who can fight hard enough

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00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 16: to bring Morgan home. I'm the only person who cares enough.

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Speaker 16: And if I give up hope, then I become a

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Speaker 16: victim as well as she, and I will not let

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Speaker 16: her obdector win.

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Speaker 1: I will find her and she will come home. That

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Speaker 1: from our friends at five and Needs Doctor Monte Miller.

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Speaker 1: You know, eyewitnesses can be confused. They may not have

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Speaker 1: an advantage point, or there may be bad lighting, or

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Speaker 1: they didn't have all their glasses, or they were distracted.

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Speaker 1: You know what doesn't lie DNA. And there's no reason

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00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: for Morgan Nicks, just six years old hair to be

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00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: torn out by the roots and this guy's truck. No

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Speaker 1: reason at all.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, that's real clear. I mean, if they have hair

642
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 15: that's been pulled out, suggest if their's skin on the hair,

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Speaker 15: that's that suggests some violence and that it wasn't just

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Speaker 15: hair that.

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Speaker 3: Fell out like it normally does.

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Speaker 15: In this case, it looks like the DNA that they

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Speaker 15: ran was mitochondrial DNA, which would have been from the

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Speaker 15: hair shaft rather than the skin tag. And I don't

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Speaker 15: really understand why they would have done that, but you know,

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Speaker 15: they got a good DNA profile and it identifies that family.

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Speaker 15: It identifies Morgan's family and as somebody who's related to

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Speaker 15: her mother, either one of the mother's siblings or one

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Speaker 15: of the mother's children or someone or.

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Speaker 1: The mother's mother.

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Speaker 15: But they got a good DNA profile and.

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Speaker 1: Dodger Monte Miller, You're absolutely right, But I'd like to

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Speaker 1: point out differentiation here. For instance, in the case of

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Speaker 1: Kelly Anthony, hair belonging to Kelly or someone that could

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Speaker 1: be identified mitochondrially in that hair, it had to be

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Speaker 1: either Kelly mitochondrial means on the mother's side of the family,

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Speaker 1: Kelly the mother top Mom Casey Anthony, or the grandmother

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Speaker 1: Cindy Anthony. Now, how do I know it wasn't either

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Speaker 1: of the two elder because the hair was untreated. In

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Speaker 1: other words, Cindy Anthony at the time had frosted hair,

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Speaker 1: Top Mom Casey Anthony had her hair highlighted. This hair

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Speaker 1: was pristine. That means it could only belong to one person,

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Speaker 1: that being two year old Kelly. In this case, we

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Speaker 1: know that the hair belonged to either Morganix or someone

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Speaker 1: on the mitochondrial side. Her mother's hair, as you saw,

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Speaker 1: was treated. The sibling had short hair. This hair was

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Speaker 1: a long blonde hair. Air go, it belonged to Morganix,

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Speaker 1: not rocket Science. And you said correctly that the hair

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Speaker 1: being torn from the root suggests violence. But I pose

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Speaker 1: to you another query, Doctor Monty Miller, And that query is,

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Speaker 1: even if the hair was not attached to the nucleus

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Speaker 1: the root, why would her hair have transferred and to

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Speaker 1: this guy's pickup. No good reason. He's not a relative,

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Speaker 1: he's not a family friend. He didn't give her a ride.

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Speaker 1: Why would she be in his car?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I think the fact that the hair was in

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Speaker 15: the car is important, and it clearly is hers based

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Speaker 15: on the things that you've said, and the fact that

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Speaker 15: there's nobody else from her family that could have possibly

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Speaker 15: been in that truck.

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Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything anything more

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Speaker 1: about the disappearance of this beautiful girl, Morgan Nicks, please

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Speaker 1: dial Alma Arkansas PD. Four seven nine six three two

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Speaker 1: three three three three repeat four seven nine sixty three

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Speaker 1: to two three three three three. There is a sixty

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Speaker 1: thousand dollar reward. We wait as justice unfolds, and now

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Speaker 1: we stop to remember and American hero Sergeant Allen David Brandt,

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Speaker 1: Fairbanks PD, just thirty four, shot and killed in the

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Speaker 1: line of duty. Brandt served Fairbanks PD eleven years. Survived

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Speaker 1: by grieving wife now widow, Natasha, children Fritz, Kate, Claire,

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Speaker 1: and Belle. Four children sentenced to life without dad. American

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Speaker 1: hero Sergeant Alan David Brandt. Thank you to all of

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Speaker 1: our guests for being with us. Nancy Grace signing off

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Speaker 1: goodbye friend,