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Speaker 1: It's Texans All Access, brought to you by Mattress Firm.

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Speaker 2: All Right, off season edition Here Texans Radio. It's not radio,

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Speaker 2: it's a podcast. Mark Vandermaer and John Harris with you.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back on the air on Monday after the

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl, every night of the week at six to

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Speaker 2: seven pm, So we're looking forward to that, and we'll

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Speaker 2: be on till after the Texans twenty five campaign is done,

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Speaker 2: and we're hoping that's after the super Bowl, so we

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Speaker 2: never have to stop.

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Speaker 3: And we got a lot to talk about here to

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Speaker 3: catch up. JB.

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Speaker 2: Long, the voice of the Rams, will be on the

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Speaker 2: back end of this, so you don't want to miss

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Speaker 2: what he has to say about Nick Kelly, who's worked

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Speaker 2: for the Rams, and about the Super Bowl, about a

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Speaker 2: whole bunch of stuff.

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Speaker 3: But Johnny, it's been a few weeks since you and

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Speaker 3: I have been on the air.

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Speaker 2: Here we are and Nick Kelly do offensive coordinator for

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Speaker 2: your Houston Texans and my Houston Texans and everybody's Houston Texans.

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Speaker 3: And how you doing, my friend do well. Yeah, it

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Speaker 3: was interesting to kind of follow everything that's going on

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Speaker 3: from mobile there for the first couple days a practice

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Speaker 3: it was great to uh, you know, when you haven't

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Speaker 3: seen Obviously, I haven't seen you since the end of

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Speaker 3: the season. I haven't seen a lot of people. I've

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Speaker 3: been down in my new abode, so I've been kind

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Speaker 3: of away from everything. But then I get to Mobile

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Speaker 3: and I see a lot of our scouts. I then

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Speaker 3: got down on the field after one of the practices

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Speaker 3: and I just kind of turned around. I'm like, oh hey,

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Speaker 3: and I see two of my favorite people, Nick Seria

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Speaker 3: and Namiko Ryan, so chatting down for like two seconds

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Speaker 3: because I knew they had work to do. But it

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Speaker 3: was great to be a Mobile and always kind of

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Speaker 3: just share with people talking about you know, what people

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Speaker 3: are talking about down there and the players the prospects

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Speaker 3: is always good to see. But it happens when there

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Speaker 3: are coaching changes that I'm always you know, on my

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Speaker 3: way to Mobile, Inmobile, on my way back from Mobile,

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Speaker 3: when things start happening and you know, you start seeing,

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Speaker 3: you know, things you know happen with the coaching situation

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Speaker 3: and Okay, who are they gonna interview? And I think

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Speaker 3: I was in Mobile when Nick Cayley was interviewing, and

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Speaker 3: I just remember thinking when I was there, Mark that

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Speaker 3: this feels right. I don't know. I don't know what

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Speaker 3: told me that. I just it just felt right. And

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I just felt like he was in

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Speaker 3: the right position finally, because I know he turned down

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Speaker 3: New England to be the offensive coordinator there they moved

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Speaker 3: out to LA He's kind of got New England in

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Speaker 3: his system. He's got McVeigh and his system kind of

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Speaker 3: got a mix of both. I think the biggest thing

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Speaker 3: for Nick now is just finding what you know, finding

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Speaker 3: his offensive coordinator voice, sure, and I think that's gonna

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Speaker 3: be the most important thing. And then finding that voice,

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Speaker 3: finding what he wants to do, and then seeing now

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Speaker 3: with seven and making sure that those who are on

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Speaker 3: the same page day in day out, they are on

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Speaker 3: the same page. And I love each other. They don't

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Speaker 3: have to be like each other. They gotta respect each other,

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Speaker 3: but they got to make sure they're on the same

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Speaker 3: And then obviously the pressure then goes to to CJ

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Speaker 3: it should with the pieces that are here. So I've

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Speaker 3: talked about this before, like, no matter who is brought in,

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Speaker 3: matter what offense is brought here, the pressure on CJ

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Speaker 3: to take it all in, absorb it all, be the

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Speaker 3: leader and the teacher of that offense to everybody, make

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Speaker 3: sure everybody's in the right spot, and get this thing

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Speaker 3: humming the way that it should be. That pressure is

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Speaker 3: gonna fall on him, and obviously it's gonna fall in

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Speaker 3: Nick Kaylee too, to get the most out of CJ,

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Speaker 3: to get the most out of this offense. But I

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Speaker 3: like his background. You said this before, and I second

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Speaker 3: at one hundred percent. I love guys that have coached

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Speaker 3: tight end because the tight ends have to be so

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Speaker 3: involved with everything. They have to be involved with the

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Speaker 3: pass protection. They got to be involved in the past routes,

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Speaker 3: be a coach of that position, you got to know

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Speaker 3: it backwards and forwards. Hey, what's the pass protection? Hey

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Speaker 3: I think tight end's coaches and guys have coached the

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Speaker 3: that's why I was like talking to Jake Moreland, I

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Speaker 3: I think Nick Keyley brings that experience to it as well.

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Speaker 3: So I'm excited. I was going to be excited no

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Speaker 3: matter who it was, because I think there's positives to

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Speaker 3: I felt like when I was a mobile, I just

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Speaker 3: I just felt like Nick Kaylee was the guy.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, he's been a leading candidate for a

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Speaker 2: lot of people, and turunning down the Patriots I think

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Speaker 2: is interesting because the reported amount of money offered was sizeable. Yes,

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Speaker 2: So for him to read the situation and decide now

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Speaker 2: because you do get a long leash or long enough anyway,

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Speaker 2: or a rookie quarterback, you got to start doing something

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Speaker 2: positive almost right away, right, I know, well the way

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Speaker 2: it's going right now when you look at CJ. Bow Nicks,

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Speaker 2: who I know is older than me practically, but Jaden Daniels.

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Speaker 2: It's funny how Daniels and bow Knicks are both both

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Speaker 2: well over a year older than CJ. Mixed bile a lot.

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Speaker 2: I think it's two and a half years older than CJ.

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Speaker 2: Just pure age, not experience. But I do think that's

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Speaker 2: a factor. That's a conversation for another day. But back

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Speaker 2: to Kelley. I like the tight end position coach stuff

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Speaker 2: like you mentioned. I like that McVeigh was a tight

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Speaker 2: ends coach. Look, somebody pointed out Tim Kelly was a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, great.

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Speaker 2: Tim Kelly also had only worked for O'Brien, and I

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Speaker 2: think that Kelly working in multiple systems and the Patriot way,

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Speaker 2: we can talk about that. I don't want another Patriot.

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Speaker 2: I heard fans say that, Listen, this is a little

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Speaker 2: bit different. It's a lot different. As a matter of fact.

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Speaker 2: I like that he's been in that environment. He's been

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Speaker 2: like the double system thing, and I think that he's

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Speaker 2: going to run something. We'll find out, we'll all see

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Speaker 2: it together, But he's gonna run something that these guys

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Speaker 2: Bob since we last were on the air. Bobby slog

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Speaker 2: had to be painful for Demiico, but he had to

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Speaker 2: make the tough decision. He's not going to wait to

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Speaker 2: they need now. Not that Bobby can't draw it up.

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Speaker 2: Maybe he can draw it up great, but the guys

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Speaker 2: couldn't execute. We kept on hearing that word we got

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Speaker 2: to execute, We got to execute. Well, when the guy's

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Speaker 3: Well? Maybe is it the scheme? Is it what's being called?

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Speaker 2: Well maybe and if you change that out, maybe you

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Speaker 2: that there aren't going to be changes, because it's football.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna change things. They're going to change some of

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Speaker 2: But maybe Nick Keley can get the guys they have

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Speaker 2: You can't backslide that much. If they can get it

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Speaker 2: my gosh, imagine what you could do, especially with a

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Speaker 3: Well. I think that last point you just said is

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Speaker 3: coaches don't look at it this way, I guess, but

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Speaker 3: it's hard not to when you roll out of defense

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Speaker 3: then what they got from Kaylen Bullock at safety was incredible.

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Speaker 3: When you roll out that defense, and you feel like

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Speaker 3: you're going into the third, you're going into the fourth

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Speaker 3: and and the three of them that you gave up

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Speaker 3: early in the game were because the special teams blunders. Yep,

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Speaker 3: it's it's ridiculous. So you're sitting there going noth Some

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Speaker 3: people don't believe in windows. The window is this, window

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Speaker 3: is that, But the window for this defense is right now,

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Speaker 3: right now. And on top of that, you know, you

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Speaker 3: could look at it and go win. We've got this

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Speaker 3: super Bowl level defense, but the offense, with at times

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Speaker 3: super bowl level talent is not playing up to that expectation.

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Speaker 2: Well compensated talent and a quarterback who obviously is ahead

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Speaker 3: And look, we can talk.

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Speaker 2: About contracts and young players and bills are due and

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Speaker 2: this offseason, next offseason, what they're gonna have to be

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Speaker 2: paying out.

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Speaker 3: You're right, you are in.

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Speaker 2: You know, I hesitate to say it, though, I mean,

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Speaker 2: as we're just sort of stream of consciousness here on

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Speaker 2: a podcast. When I look at Mahomes, we talk about

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Speaker 2: this all the time. When you look at Brady, when

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Speaker 2: at Lamar Jackson. The rosters change. We talk about it

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Speaker 2: all the time. This roster is going to change too.

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Speaker 2: But they got a lot of good pieces. Man, We've

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Speaker 2: got a lot of good players.

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Speaker 3: Think about where we were three years ago and you

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Speaker 3: could see some of the seedlings then. But you need

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Speaker 3: to pounce here.

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Speaker 2: I think with Demico going back to back divisional rounds,

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Speaker 2: great unbelievable start for Demico and CJ. Stroud as this

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Speaker 2: partnership really rolls here with Nick Cassario the GM, I

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Speaker 2: think that they're feeling we can't afford to take a

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Speaker 2: step back.

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Speaker 3: No, we've got to continue to roll here.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and got to take steps forward and we might

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Speaker 2: have to make some, you know, decisions that are painful personally,

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Speaker 2: but we got to make these decisions that are for

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Speaker 2: the best of the team.

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Speaker 3: You you said it. The execution wasn't there offensively this year.

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Speaker 3: There were just too many times where you know, you've

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Speaker 2: but you ended up losing by eight anyway, And Detroit

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying I'm settling, Johnny, and I know you know,

434
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Speaker 2: I know what I'm saying.

435
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Speaker 3: Everybody's got a's got to be number one for them.

436
00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,720
Speaker 3: I get that. Yeah, totally and totally. They won't.

437
00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,439
Speaker 2: And look, we have all off season to talk about it.

438
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,560
Speaker 2: They're not gonna stand pat and say let's run it back.

439
00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,320
Speaker 2: They're gonna make the changes. What did they do last year?

440
00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:29,400
Speaker 2: They brought in digs, mix in Danil Hunter as he's

441
00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,720
Speaker 2: al Shire, they brought in people. They're gonna do it again.

442
00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,880
Speaker 2: They drafted well with Lassiter and Bullock. Let's go, let's

443
00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,280
Speaker 2: run that stuff back now. I don't think they're gonna

444
00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:42,680
Speaker 2: go as nuts in the offseason acquisition veteran category, right,

445
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,720
Speaker 2: but they've got draft picks and they're gonna use them,

446
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,240
Speaker 2: and they've done well with that. I mean, it takes

447
00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 2: back to the mix that way, and let's add some

448
00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,439
Speaker 2: other pieces through free agency trades.

449
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Speaker 3: Whatever Nick cooks up, he'll do a good job again. Well,

450
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,600
Speaker 3: as I'm at the Senior Bowl. That's what I keep

451
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Speaker 3: thinking about. Think about the last two draft. Okay, twenty

452
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,920
Speaker 3: twenty three, c J two will at three, at three,

453
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 3: there's that's your first round. Second round, you trade out

454
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 3: for juice, third round, you trade up for tank, fourth

455
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,200
Speaker 3: round you get Henry Toata, Sixth round you get Jared Patterson.

456
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 3: I mean, where are you without those guys? Then? Last

457
00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:24,720
Speaker 3: year your top four picks are Kamari Lassiter. You could

458
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Speaker 3: argue you should have been in the mix for defensive

459
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 3: Rookie of the Year. Your second pick is Blake Fisher.

460
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,120
Speaker 3: He's starting at right tackle by the end of the year.

461
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 3: As you and I mentioned on the draft that night

462
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Speaker 3: you did, we said it. Your third round pick is

463
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Speaker 3: maybe one of the best young safeties to come into

464
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Speaker 3: the league in a long time. That's Kaylen Bullock. And

465
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Speaker 3: then you got Cade Stover. Those are your four picks

466
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Speaker 3: of the twenty twenty fourth drafts. Phenomenal.

467
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Speaker 2: I mean, those are your two drafts. That's that's two

468
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 2: thousand and six ish. Now it's just starting. Yeah, but

469
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Speaker 2: it's starting. That's close to it.

470
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Speaker 3: Absolutely so. Now you look at it and I'm watching

471
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Speaker 3: the Senior Bowl and I'm like, Okay, which which of

472
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Speaker 3: these guys, Which of these guys are they you know,

473
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 3: are they gonna like and you know which guys make

474
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Speaker 3: the most sense? And it may not be like with

475
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 3: Jared Patterson Jared was a six round pick. It may

476
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Speaker 3: not be to the fifth or sixth round where they go, oh, yeah,

477
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Speaker 3: we're gonna draft I don't know, We're gonna draft a

478
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 3: running back out of Delaware, Marcus Yarns. And you go

479
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,199
Speaker 3: back and I'm like, Okay, this guy's pretty explosive. This

480
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 3: guy could be pretty fun. Just thrown him out there

481
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Speaker 3: because he was at the Senior Bowl and at a

482
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,639
Speaker 3: school that not a lot of people know. But they've

483
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 3: done so well lately with the draft picks they've made,

484
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Speaker 3: then I'm totally confident in them saying, you know what

485
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 3: we're I don't know, maybe we're gonna maybe we're gonna

486
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Speaker 3: trade somebody that we can't keep around for whatever reason,

487
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 3: and we're gonna get additional picks. I don't know, maybe

488
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 3: maybe that pops up. I'd be confident in that. I'd

489
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Speaker 3: be like, yeah, let's do it, because I know how

490
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Speaker 3: well they've drafted lately, that they know what it is

491
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Speaker 3: that they want in football, character, off the field, character,

492
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Speaker 3: And it obviously comes all back to swarm. But I

493
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 3: think about young players being added, and I get more

494
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Speaker 3: excited because I'm like, this is still a young team,

495
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 3: still a young team with obviously some vets dropped in

496
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Speaker 3: at some key spots that I think is gonna make

497
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five really really exciting. And now you add

498
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,119
Speaker 3: Nick Kayley as off it's coordinator, called Popovich moves up

499
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 3: to a line coach. You know, all this will be

500
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 3: officially announced in due time, but I just I don't know,

501
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 3: I get excited about that. You know. I talked to

502
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 3: some people at the Senior Bowl just about things that

503
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 3: were going on. You know, people were like, man, y'all

504
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 3: are so close. Y'all are so close, and it just

505
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 3: it would get me thinking about, yeah, yeah, we are,

506
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 3: we are close. But when we're around it every day,

507
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 3: we see the renovation changes that I've got to take place,

508
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 3: We see the things that we'd like to that you know,

509
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 3: you know, we know have to change before they go

510
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 3: into twenty twenty five. And that's what makes this time

511
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 3: of year really really exciting. You know. We're just obviously

512
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 3: coming off a really you know, punch like loss to

513
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Speaker 3: the Chiefs. Thought we had them in the right spot

514
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 3: going into the fourth quarter down by one. It was

515
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 3: not a spot we've ever been in this organization's history.

516
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 3: By the time we've got into the fourth quarter in

517
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 3: divisional playoff rounds, we've not been there. We had our chances,

518
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 3: it was rough, and so it took a little while

519
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 3: for that to go. But in being in mobiles like okay,

520
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,199
Speaker 3: let's reset this, let's go. It's twenty twenty five. We

521
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,679
Speaker 3: gotta go. We gotta go find players. We gotta go

522
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 3: find guys that fit, and it's gonna be there's gonna

523
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,239
Speaker 3: be a lot of news. There's gonna be a lot

524
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 3: of fun and excitement over the next how many and there,

525
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 3: and there's gonna be some hard things to look at

526
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 3: that happened, like, oh man, they're trading that guy, or

527
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 3: they're cutting that guy, or they're moving on from that guy.

528
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 3: That's the way this thing goes. And it started obviously

529
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 3: with with Bobby Slowik And you know, it's it's not

530
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 3: the it's a great business to be in, but it's

531
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 3: a tough business to live through, and that's hard. You know.

532
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 2: Gary Kubiak stuck with Richard Smith and Frank bush right

533
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 2: as his defensive coordinators to start his tenure here, and

534
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 2: it wasn't until Wade Phillips came in that the defense

535
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 2: really matched what the offense was doing. Two thousand and

536
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 2: nine wasn't a bad year defensively, but it wasn't the

537
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 2: Wade Phillips inaugtural year of twenty eleven. Talent played a

538
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 2: part of that as well, Talent acquisition with the free

539
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 2: agents and Watt and all that. But I think Demiko

540
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 2: just sees I cannot let this stagnate or get worse, or.

541
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 3: Get a little bit better. I got to get a

542
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 3: lot better.

543
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 2: And he's taken this chance with Nick Cayley, and I

544
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 2: think it's a great calculated move by him. And I

545
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 2: could have talked myself into a lot of the reported

546
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 2: candidates out there.

547
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 3: Why not. But I'll take what I couldn't. I'll tell

548
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 3: you one thing I couldn't Chip Kelly talk my mind

549
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 3: did talk myself into, and that is paying essentially double

550
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 3: double for an offensive coordinator. I come in here.

551
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 2: Wait, so since you brought it up, do you get

552
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,400
Speaker 2: a coach in waiting? Vibe from that in a way,

553
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 2: because how Carol has a three year contract? That's not maybe,

554
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 2: I mean, who gets a three year contract? Nobody does that?

555
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 2: But it makes sense that his age right, right, right,

556
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 2: and if he has a horrible year, if he has

557
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 2: a good year or two, but he's like, you know what,

558
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 2: I think I'm done.

559
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 3: Let Chip take it.

560
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 2: If the offense is doing well, and look, who knows

561
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 2: what they're gonna look like, they'll be in this building

562
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 2: next year.

563
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 3: By the way, get your tickets.

564
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 2: Baby, nine home games in twenty twenty five.

565
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Speaker 3: I could see that a little bit, I guess. But

566
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 3: the title right now is head coaching waiting things I

567
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 3: don't like.

568
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 2: I don't like him at all, but maybe he sees

569
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 2: it that way, like, eh, maybe I can take over here.

570
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 3: Maybe, but it could be he could go somewhere and

571
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Speaker 3: be a I mean, I don't know. They're gonna pay

572
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 3: They're gonna pay essentially double with offense coordinators and making I.

573
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 2: Didn't like that because it's the vandermir high end theory.

574
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 2: You're paying that much more for the label, right, But

575
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 2: are you getting that much more in the performance?

576
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 3: That's right? Are they gonna be able to live.

577
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 2: Up to what they're paying him? You know, with God

578
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 2: knows what they do at quarterback? Is it Eighten, is

579
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 2: it somebody else? I don't know. Anyway, all right, we

580
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 2: got a lot to talk about as we begin textions

581
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 2: on Monday at six D.

582
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 3: By the way, super Bowl pick what is it for you?

583
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 3: You got one? My heart says Eagles the whole time.

584
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 3: I think the Chiefs will have a little bit. I mean,

585
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 3: the Chiefs had a hard time stopping us in the

586
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 3: run game, and the Eagles that much better in the

587
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 3: run game. But I just I've learned over the last

588
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 3: home many every years. They like you. I just said

589
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 3: this on tech SAgs this morning. You have to play

590
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 3: a relatively perfect, clean game. You can't turn it over,

591
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 3: you can't not take advantage of a short field. You

592
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 3: can't let them run back the kickoff on the opening

593
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 3: kickoff and steal three points at the end. These games

594
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 3: are all so close, and they know how to win

595
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 3: a close game. Yep. And the perfect example that I

596
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 3: brought up was in the game they played a couple

597
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 3: of years ago. The Eagles have a lead, I can't

598
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 3: remember what it was, it was seven or ten, but

599
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 3: they had the ball. They go down to score and

600
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 3: get it to score distance from the Chiefs. Now things change.

601
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 3: But as long as the Chiefs stay within one score.

602
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 3: What happened, Jalen Hurts ran the zonn read Nick Bolton

603
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 3: knocked it away, picked it up on the scoop, and

604
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 3: score ran in it for a touchdown. And now it's

605
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 3: either a three point game where it's tied, right, they

606
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 3: stole it from it, and it's like, as long as

607
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 3: they keep it a one score game, yeah, they're gonna

608
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 3: exactly what they want. Right. If the Eagles get to

609
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 3: ten point lead and the Chiefs now have to score

610
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 3: two touchdowns or two scores to get back the leader,

611
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 3: tie the game. The Eagles are right where they go.

612
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 2: I like the Eagles ability to hold onto the ball

613
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 2: in those situations in this game with Barkley, I do

614
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 2: like that, like that, But they can fall in love

615
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 2: with the run and then maybe the Chiefs find a

616
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 2: way to stop it, and it's gonna be a great

617
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 2: chess match.

618
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 3: Look, I feel like I hate it, but I'm going

619
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 3: with the Chiefs because they just know how to win

620
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 3: those games.

621
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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm Fox twenty six. I picked the Eagles,

622
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 2: but I was just having fun. I would I would

623
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 2: never if I was a betting man, I would never

624
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 2: bet against Mahomes.

625
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 3: That's right, that's the point. But that is the point.

626
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,959
Speaker 2: I'll be rooting for the Eagles, and it will not

627
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 2: surprise me if we come in Monday and the Eagles

628
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: had one by ten. It would not surprise me because

629
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 2: they have that kind of fire power on the ground

630
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 2: and through the air, really enough to get it done.

631
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 2: But you know, it's the Chiefs and until further notice,

632
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 2: they're the ones.

633
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 3: Yep.

634
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 2: All right, let's get to J. B. Long, Voice of

635
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: the La Rams joining us on Texans Radio. It's JB Long,

636
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,719
Speaker 2: the voice of the Rams, who we caught up with

637
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 2: in the summer because the Rams practiced against the Texans

638
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 2: and you survived the trip.

639
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 3: JB.

640
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: How was the season for you? Was a nice rud

641
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 2: while it lasted just like ours?

642
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I just finished drying off from all that

643
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 4: heat and humidity back in August. That was a great visit.

644
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 4: It was good to catch up with you. It is remarkable,

645
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 4: isn't it, the individual journeys that coaches and teams go on.

646
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 4: And I'm sure a lot of what we thought that day,

647
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 4: if we had written it down, we'd go back and

648
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 4: look at our notebooks now and laugh at how silly

649
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 4: it was. And all the contributors we thought would play

650
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 4: a leading role that didn't, and all the names we

651
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 4: had not yet fixated on who did. So that's what

652
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,959
Speaker 4: I love about this that each new year is a

653
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 4: new chapter, and I know you're beginning one yourself in

654
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 4: Houston with the Texans.

655
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about Nick Keley, because that's the reason

656
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 2: for the call. Though I do want to weigh in,

657
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 2: or want you to weigh in on some Rams type

658
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 2: stuff because the Texans and Rams play each other next year,

659
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 2: and there's some family ties here between the two organizations.

660
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 3: But tell me about Kelley what you know.

661
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,719
Speaker 2: I know he's a position coach, so it's not like

662
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 2: he's that front facing But even around him for a

663
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 2: few years, what do you think.

664
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I don't have a personal relationship with him,

665
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 4: but I do know how widely and well regarded he is,

666
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,479
Speaker 4: not just within our organization but across the National Football League.

667
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 4: I'm sure you've talked about the reports that he had

668
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 4: offered elsewhere both last offseason and again this year. So

669
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 4: the fact that he was able to be so selective

670
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 4: at this juncture in his career, I think speaks to

671
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 4: his references, his brain power, what he's going to bring

672
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 4: to the Texans organization. You know, from the LA lens,

673
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 4: I can say this, Sean McVay does not hand off

674
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 4: the tight end position lightly. It's kind of how he

675
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 4: came up through the ranks in Washington and earned his credentials.

676
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 4: And then the other thing is, given the system that

677
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 4: they run, you know how critical the tight end position

678
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 4: is run in pass and making the whole thing go,

679
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 4: especially for an operation like the Rams, but through most

680
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 4: of Shawn's tenure have existed almost completely in eleven personnel, right,

681
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 4: So you're trusting that one tight end to do so

682
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 4: much and the position coach there is the liaison. He's

683
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 4: the connective tissue between marrying run and pass together, which

684
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 4: has been the secret sauce to Sean mcvay's best offenses

685
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 4: throughout his eight years.

686
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: How would you characterize the evolution of the RAMS offense.

687
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 2: I know it's changed a little bit over the years, JB.

688
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 3: What do you think?

689
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:50,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it is at once identity driven and

690
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 4: yet it can be shape shifting and oftentimes some of

691
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 4: mcveigh's best work and best offenses have been the creation

692
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 4: of necessity. When you think about the brain drain that

693
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 4: his offices, his coaching staff has experienced over the years

694
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 4: because of his success and the team's success, and then

695
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 4: also the success of the branches that have come off

696
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 4: of that tree, whether it's Lafleur in Green Bay, Taylor

697
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 4: in Cincinnati, Rahee Morris now in Atlanta, so many other places.

698
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 4: Your coaching tree is going to be right before the picking,

699
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 4: and so what happens is your playbook and your philosophies,

700
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 4: both schematic and leadership and organizational also spread throughout the NFL,

701
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 4: and teams spend their entire offseason either trying to attach

702
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 4: to what you have or to combat what you've done

703
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 4: to beat them. And so I think people like Kaylee

704
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 4: has come in and given McVeigh fresh food for thought,

705
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 4: new ideas, new perspective, and that's pushed him to try

706
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 4: and stay kind of one step ahead. It's not possible

707
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 4: because there's only so many things you can do in

708
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 4: this sport of football. There's nothing new under the sun.

709
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 4: But I do think it's driven McVeigh and the Rams

710
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 4: offensively to try and find that next iteration as more

711
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 4: and more of what they've done to find success offensively

712
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 4: has permeated the league, and then similarly, more and more

713
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 4: teams defensively have tried to find the antidote to that

714
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 4: because of the offenses that they're trying to solve.

715
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 2: JB long voice of the Rams joining us JB with

716
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 2: the Rams in LA and you were with them at

717
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 2: the coliseum and made the transition into so far and

718
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 2: the Chargers are now co tenants or tenants of the Rams.

719
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 2: I guess, but how is that relationship between the two organizations.

720
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 2: The Texans are playing the Rams and the Chargers in

721
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 2: LA next year. I have no idea how that's going

722
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 2: to be set up. Maybe it's back to back weeks

723
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,239
Speaker 2: and we stay the week. I don't know, But what

724
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 2: do you think of that relationship and the way it's

725
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 2: playing out in LA so far?

726
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 4: You know, I don't have a ton of visibility into that.

727
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 4: You know how it goes? Where the AFC NSC crossover

728
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 4: is so limited it's it's almost like you'll go years

729
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,959
Speaker 4: at a time without thinking about an opposing franchise, right

730
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 4: because they just don't show up on your schedule. There's

731
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 4: not a lot of crossover with your common opponents, and

732
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 4: so unless you're at home watching Sunday Ticket or you

733
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 4: have a fantasy football player on one of those teams,

734
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 4: you just don't have a lot of bandwidth to pay attention.

735
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 4: I think sharing the facility is probably the nearest touch

736
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 4: point in that you know, you can't both play on Sunday,

737
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 4: and so a lot of times the scheduling matters that

738
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 4: you're talking about are dictated. You know, who's going to

739
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 4: go Sunday afternoon, who's going to play Thursday night, who's

740
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 4: gonna play Monday night, Who's going to be home and away.

741
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 4: I think that's probably the biggest logistical hurdle. But other

742
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 4: than that, there's not a ton of crossover with the Chargers.

743
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 4: I'll say this in my what is it then now

744
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 4: nine years? The biggest perk of having the Chargers in

745
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 4: Los Angeles is, you know, the preseason road trips are

746
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 4: a real pain. They almost feel unnecessary, except when we're

747
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 4: coming to Houston to get some joint practices out of it.

748
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 4: So to have the home away, all tonating format with

749
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 4: the Chargers for every preseason, you know that you're going

750
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 4: to face them at so far and it'll be a

751
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 4: quote unquote road game that you can drive to. That's

752
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 4: a real nice perk.

753
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 2: Absolutely all right, So tell me, did the Cooper Cup

754
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 2: story take Luca off the front page so to speak?

755
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 2: I would doubt it, but it's a big story. Just

756
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: what are your thoughts on that? I know it's kind

757
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 2: of a weird situation, but where are they going from

758
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 2: here or where do you think they want to go?

759
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 3: Offensively?

760
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it'd be hard to knock down Chich

761
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 4: off the front page right now. This is a die

762
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 4: hard Lakers city, as you know, and that was a

763
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 4: tectonic shift in the landscape. So that'll be uh, that'll

764
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 4: be talked about for many moons to come, not just

765
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 4: many days. The Cooper thing is obviously it's a shock

766
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 4: to the system, right because he is very much the

767
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 4: modern era of the Rams. He's one of Sean mcvay's

768
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 4: first picks. He was a Super Bowl MVP and the

769
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 4: Triple Crown winner. His ability run and pass, you know,

770
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 4: set the offense in motion from that first training camp

771
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 4: when they were not necessarily trying to live in three

772
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 4: receiver sets. But then when they found out that they

773
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 4: had this incredibly cerebral and gifted late draft pick that

774
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 4: could make it all go, they leaned into that identity

775
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 4: and they've been Cooper Cup's offense in so many ways

776
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 4: ever since. That being said, it's not surprising because there

777
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 4: were reports coming up on the trade deadline that he

778
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 4: might have been, you know, on the block, and that

779
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 4: they were realizing that father time is coming from us

780
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 4: all and he's probably on the wrong side of thirty

781
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 4: and his contract is getting pretty expensive. So all those

782
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 4: dynamics are what we live through every single offseason in

783
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 4: this sport. It's not our favorite thing to talk about

784
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 4: or to live through. Believe me, it breaks my heart

785
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 4: to think that I've seen Cooper Cup catch his last

786
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 4: pass as a ram especially on the heels of having

787
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 4: already seen Robert Woods go and having seen Jalen Ramsey

788
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 4: go and having seen Aaron Donald retire. You know, I've

789
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 4: not been long around this as long as you have, Mark,

790
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 4: but I'm starting to live through the reality that I'm

791
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 4: not going to see every snap of these guys careers

792
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 4: in Los Angeles, and that still takes them getting used

793
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 4: to spoiled as we've been here in LA.

794
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 2: How do you think I feel with two guys I

795
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,439
Speaker 2: worked with and did shows with, Dimiko Ryans and Aaron

796
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 2: Glenn being head coaches. At least Demiko is my head coach,

797
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 2: so that's very cool right now. But yeah, the longer

798
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 2: you're around, the more those things happen.

799
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 3: And it's really interesting.

800
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 2: I remember the Dolphins guys Jim Mandich at the time,

801
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: Nick Bonacatti coming to Houston in the early days of

802
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 2: the Texans, and those guys, I mean, they were Dolphins

803
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 2: and they've lived through it all, and they were also media,

804
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 2: so it was just fun to see and hear about

805
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 2: their power about things.

806
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy, so tell me this.

807
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 4: Getting olds obamber. But it beats the alternative.

808
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And you know I love it. I love being

809
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 2: around this thing. I know you do too.

810
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 3: JB. Long, Voice of the Rams.

811
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 2: I was so impressed with the playoff performance against the

812
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 2: Vices in Arizona. I was impressed with what the Cardinals did.

813
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 2: Can you reflect on that a little bit, because look,

814
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 2: we always know that all but one team ends the

815
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: season with a loss, and let's see in the regular

816
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 2: season with a win, and you're hyped about the potential

817
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 2: for next year.

818
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 3: But you know what I'm saying here, but that is.

819
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 2: Something to be celebrated and really appreciated. As you look

820
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 2: back on the twenty twenty four campaign, that performance against

821
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 2: a Vikings team that was really good, had a lot

822
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,479
Speaker 2: of wins, and you were playing in a home away

823
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 2: from home.

824
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 3: What was all that like?

825
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, the way I've kind of settled on the refrain

826
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 4: mark is that it was an organizational triumph before it

827
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 4: was an on the field team win, if that makes sense. Unfortunately,

828
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 4: the Rams have some experience coping with community adversity and

829
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 4: adverse circumstances and pivoting their operations to perform on the field.

830
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 4: It happened most notably, perhaps in twenty eighteen, when they

831
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 4: were scheduled to play in Mexico City against the Kansas

832
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 4: City Chiefs. A variety of factors, including a Shakira concert

833
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 4: in Mexico and then here locally, another round of wildfires

834
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 4: and a tragic mass shooting all played into what became

835
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 4: the backdrop for the most thrilling Monday night football game

836
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 4: in league history when that game got relocated back to

837
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 4: the Coliseum. The Rams have been fortunate to go on

838
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 4: a couple of Super Bowl journeys, and there were remnants

839
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 4: of that in the plan for Arizona, where not just

840
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 4: the team got on a plane, but the team and

841
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 4: their families and even some pets, and then most of

842
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,720
Speaker 4: the staff got transported to the desert. Because this became

843
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 4: a Super Bowl like atmosphere, not because of necessarily the

844
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 4: stakes or the consequences, but because it took almost every

845
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 4: member of the organization to stage a home game on

846
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 4: the road with less than a week's notice in a

847
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 4: rival stadium. How do you make the Sea of Red

848
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 4: and Glendale Arizona look like Royal and Seoul? The Rams

849
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 4: colors with less than a week to do it. So

850
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 4: by the time Sean McVay and his team came out

851
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 4: of that locker room, it felt like the RAMS organization

852
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 4: had already won the week. It was only up to

853
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 4: the players and the coach deliver that emotional, uplifting triumph

854
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 4: to kind of play for their city and LA Together

855
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 4: and LA Strong and all those refrains that we all

856
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 4: have to play into when we're faced with really difficult circumstances.

857
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 4: So that was certainly I think validating for a lot

858
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 4: of corners of the organization. It gave them a chance

859
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 4: to showcase their blood, sweat and tears and also just

860
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 4: to bond I think with the community here that, let's

861
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 4: face it, after two decades away, we're still growing with together,

862
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 4: We're still raising that next generation of Rams fans because

863
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 4: it doesn't happen automatically.

864
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Speaker 2: Yeah, very good point there. Well, then you go to

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Speaker 2: the Eagles the next week. Obviously did win that one,

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Speaker 2: but what are your thoughts on the Eagles and their

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00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 2: chances on Super Bowl Sunday? To end the look, I

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Speaker 2: used to call it the Reign of Terror with the

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Speaker 2: New England Patriots and what they were doing to their

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00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 2: big and now belongs to the Kansas City Chief.

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Speaker 3: So what do you think of this one?

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Speaker 4: You know, it was so funny because in twenty twenty one,

873
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 4: when the Rams went on their championship journey, they were

874
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 4: also a Sunday Divisional round game, and they watched from

875
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Speaker 4: their hotel rooms on a Saturday night. As you know,

876
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 4: a team went to the NFC North, this time the

877
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 4: San Francisco forty nine ers, and beat the Green Bay

878
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 4: Packers to open the possibility to hosting the NFC Championship game.

879
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 4: That year, the Rams cashed in and they came home

880
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 4: after beating Tom Brady and the Buccaneers, and the rest

881
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 4: is history. So as we sat there on Saturday night

882
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 4: and we watched this rookie Jaden Daniels lead the Commanders

883
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 4: to a win against the one seed in Detroit, I

884
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 4: think everyone who had even a tangential connection to the

885
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 4: Rams was thinking, here we go again. The Philadelphia Eagles,

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00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 4: I think, on paper, were probably the worst matchup in

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Speaker 4: the entire NFC for the Rams. Not that they were

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00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 4: trying to avoid them, but that's just the way they

889
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 4: measured up. And that's probably true of just about everybody

890
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 4: in the NFC, as evidenced by the fact that the

891
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 4: Eagles are in New Orleans right now. So I'm really

892
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 4: proud of the game plan that they put together on

893
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 4: a short week, going from Arizona, as we mentioned, back

894
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,760
Speaker 4: home across the country to Philadelphia to play in the snow,

895
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Speaker 4: and having already giving up a record setting day to

896
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 4: Sakuon Barkley in the regular season. Truly an embarrassing moment

897
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 4: defensively at home in prime time. The way that they

898
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 4: took that game down to the wire, it was a

899
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 4: bitter loss to take. And when you have the football

900
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 4: in your hands with the chance to host the NFC

901
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 4: Championship game, the only thing, the only satisfactory result, is

902
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 4: going to be a win. And yet I think even

903
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 4: in defeat, the Rams showed that they were greater than

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00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 4: the sum of their parts, in the way that with

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00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 4: each passing day, I think becomes more and more of

906
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 4: a positive memory and less and less of a rotten nerve.

907
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 2: Wow, that's great, so well said, No wonder why you

908
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 2: do what you do? So Chiefs Eagles, here we go.

909
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 2: I'm rooting for the Eagles. We'll see how it goes

910
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 2: on Sunday. Yeah, I am, because the Chiefs have really

911
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 2: given the text is a hard time. And look, I

912
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 2: respect them. I'm not one of these who thinks, oh

913
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 2: they get all the calls. Look, there might be some calls.

914
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 2: It's a dynasty. Dynasties get calls. I'm not going to

915
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 2: complain about that. You got to beat them, You got

916
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 2: to play well. The Texas played better. They could have

917
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 2: beaten that team, and they just weren't able to get

918
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 2: over the hump. And that happens to a lot of

919
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 2: teams against Kansas City and the very good teams.

920
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 3: As you saw in the Super Bowl, I mean the first.

921
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Speaker 2: One with the Rams where you're not able to score points,

922
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 2: but you'll hold them to a low point total. The

923
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Speaker 2: Wade Phillips defense. Tell me about the Super Bowl, Super

924
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 2: Bowl week? What stands out to you? The focus that

925
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 2: these guys have to have because it's a two week break,

926
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 2: distractions galore, tickets for families, all of that. And you

927
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,720
Speaker 2: had your share of it too, I'm sure. What about

928
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 2: your Super Bowl experiences?

929
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm reminded of just how much these people are

930
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 4: creatures of habit right, and how much their routines and

931
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 4: their rhythms matter to them. And yet when they played

932
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 4: the biggest game of their lives. The one thing that

933
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 4: they're not afforded is a routine. They're taken completely out

934
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Speaker 4: of it. They're given extra days, they're taken out of

935
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Speaker 4: their home environment. They're thrust into the media spotlight. They're

936
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Speaker 4: put through the tumble cycle that is radio row and

937
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 4: you know, last night's media Night and all these things.

938
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Speaker 4: And to the extent that we can draw any parallels

939
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Speaker 4: between ourselves and our lives and what the players and

940
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 4: coaches are going through, I think that's the epitome of it, right,

941
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Speaker 4: because I'm sure you have your weekly schedule and the

942
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 4: things that you'd like to do to get to the

943
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Speaker 4: starting line of the broadcast, and it's hard. You know,

944
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,959
Speaker 4: I learned a lot from that trip to Atlanta. What's

945
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 4: this saying? Like, if a tree falls in the forest

946
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 4: but no one's there to hear it, did it really

947
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 4: make a sound? I always say, if your team goes

948
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 4: to the Super Bowl but didn't score a touchdown, did

949
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 4: they really go to the super Bowl? That's kind of

950
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 4: how I felt going to Super Bowl fifty three, because

951
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 4: it was at once an incredible life experience and then

952
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 4: again it just came up so short. So to pay

953
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 4: it off, with a Super Bowl win at Sofi Stadium,

954
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Speaker 4: I think made that all field right and meant to be.

955
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Speaker 4: And I think the second time around, I was able

956
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 4: to enjoy it a lot more, a lot better. I'll

957
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Speaker 4: finish by saying this, though, Mark, the best part of it,

958
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 4: far and away is that everyone who has been a

959
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 4: part of your life and professional journey has cause to

960
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,280
Speaker 4: reach out and reconnect. And in those two weeks, across

961
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Speaker 4: those two years, I heard from you know, high school

962
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 4: classmates and college buddies and mentors who helped me along

963
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 4: the way, and professors and you know, colleagues at previous

964
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 4: geographic and professional stops, like everybody wants a piece and

965
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 4: wants to participate in the Super Bowl in a way

966
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Speaker 4: that when you are attached to it, you just use

967
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 4: those two weeks so relentlessly to kind of tie everything

968
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 4: together that's brought you to that point in a way

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Speaker 4: that I can only imagine is true of the players

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Speaker 4: and coaches in front office members too.

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Speaker 3: That sounds good.

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Speaker 2: I would love to have that, and I hope too,

973
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Speaker 2: and I believe I will at some point point soon.

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Speaker 3: We'll see how that goes.

975
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Speaker 2: But JB, that was so well described by you and

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Speaker 2: I really do appreciate the visit.

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Speaker 3: Look forward to catching up soon.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think coach Kayley brings you one step closer

979
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Speaker 4: to that ambition.

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Speaker 3: Very cool.

981
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Speaker 2: I'm down for that, all right, Nick Keley, Texans offensive coordinator,

982
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Speaker 2: Thanks a lot.

983
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Speaker 1: JB.

984
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Speaker 4: All right, Mark, appreciate you reachnap.

985
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Speaker 2: All right, that's gonna do it. On this podcast, don't forget.

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