WEBVTT - Part One: In Honor Of Our New Monarchy, Let's Talk About Versailles

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<v Speaker 1>Also media, welcome back to Behind the Bastards, a podcast

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<v Speaker 1>about terrible people. You know, we've got a great episode,

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of episodes for you this week with Ed

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<v Speaker 1>Zitron of Better Offline.

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<v Speaker 2>Ed.

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<v Speaker 1>How you doing, buddy, I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Doing fantastically, love being here.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be doing better. But you know, we have something

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<v Speaker 1>sad to talk about today.

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<v Speaker 2>Ed.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna give a little moment of silence for fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>FDA agents who were just trying to do their job,

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<v Speaker 1>but unfortunately, you know, they got between Sophie and her

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<v Speaker 1>hgh ring and you know that's just never, never a

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<v Speaker 1>safe thing to do. Also back on the show is

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<v Speaker 1>Sophie Lichterman, who is recovering south of the border in

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<v Speaker 1>a hidden steadfast. Sophie, why did those men need to die?

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<v Speaker 4>Why is that the cover story you gave me? I

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<v Speaker 4>feel like you could have done something so much cooler.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's pretty cool shooting it out with the

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<v Speaker 1>FDA and going on the run to Mexican string. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>an hgh Ring, Well, I didn't want to like accuse

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<v Speaker 1>you of selling hard drugs. I mean sure, and everybody

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<v Speaker 1>loves loves hgh at least Joe Rogan loves HGH so

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<v Speaker 1>fem you can.

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<v Speaker 3>Get on the show.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that the I mean, I've been sent some very

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<v Speaker 4>fascinating messages. Is that the only reason you told people?

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<v Speaker 1>I was how I just told people you'd shot it

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<v Speaker 1>out with the FDA and you were on the run.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean I kind of wish.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it would be more fun.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know you're back, you're healing. Uh, yeah, you're

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<v Speaker 1>feeling feeling a little better.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean, surgery sucks. Don't have surgery unless you

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<v Speaker 4>absolutely need it, as my surgery sucks.

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<v Speaker 1>And let's let's talk for a second here. Doctors are

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<v Speaker 1>not giving out enough painkillers. You should have gotten delauded

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<v Speaker 1>for for for what you went through, and they just

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<v Speaker 1>gave you a little bit of code own. I'm livid

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<v Speaker 1>on your behalf.

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<v Speaker 4>The amount of times you've set me that.

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<v Speaker 3>Writing is so funny. ED, welcome again to the show.

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<v Speaker 4>But I just have one more thing to say. Sure,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm so sorry for anything that happened without my supervision.

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<v Speaker 1>It was fine, it was fine. I was on my

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<v Speaker 1>best behavior.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to be today even listen, and I

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<v Speaker 2>know that's not true. Today we're going to get really

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<v Speaker 2>out of pocket. You know, because I've got a subject

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<v Speaker 2>that I could only have brought a British guest on for.

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<v Speaker 2>And that subject is France, right, Okay, specifically, specifically, I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to talk about the culture of Versailles, the subculture

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<v Speaker 2>of the nobility at Versailles that started in the reign

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<v Speaker 2>of Louis the fourteenth, the son king, and led right

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<v Speaker 2>up to the French Revolution. And I wanted to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about this because, and I'm sure you've heard a little

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<v Speaker 2>about this, we've caught a little case of the oligarchy

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<v Speaker 2>here in the United States.

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<v Speaker 3>I have been hearing this.

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<v Speaker 1>We've all been hearing this. Yes, you know, as unless

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<v Speaker 1>you're listening to this years after the fact, and we

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<v Speaker 1>did it, Joe again, you are probably here listening to

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<v Speaker 1>this on a day where you have slightly fewer rights

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<v Speaker 1>and freedoms than you had a few days earlier. Right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's that's been the vibe of the last couple

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<v Speaker 1>of weeks.

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<v Speaker 3>And someone who looks and sounds like both Beavis and

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<v Speaker 3>butt Head knows my Social Security number.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, the day I started typing out this episode February nineteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty five, President Trump made a very funny joke

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<v Speaker 1>describing himself as as a king, and this set me

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<v Speaker 1>to thinking about the first Trump rally I attended in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty sixteen, in which I met a British man who

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<v Speaker 1>was a naturalized US citizen, who told me that he

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<v Speaker 1>supported a Trump dynasty ruling the United States from here

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<v Speaker 1>on out. He wanted Trump Junior to take over after

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<v Speaker 1>his dad finished his terms. And I was like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>you are in the wrong country. You lived in the

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<v Speaker 1>country that did that.

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<v Speaker 3>He did this.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think I think I talked to that same

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<v Speaker 4>guy at last RNC.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh good. Yeah, he was also.

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<v Speaker 4>British, and I also looked at him like he was like, yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean there's many of them, you know, you go dogs.

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<v Speaker 3>Trump's yeah, and He's.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, and what about that baron? And I'm like, sir, what.

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<v Speaker 1>The fuck about that baron? Yeah, he could probably hoop.

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<v Speaker 1>You do have to give that to him. He's got

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<v Speaker 1>at least potential, alois, don't. I don't think he's very

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<v Speaker 1>fast anyway. When you've got the guy in charge of

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<v Speaker 1>your country talking about being a king, and you've got

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<v Speaker 1>a group of the wealthiest people talking openly about ending

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<v Speaker 1>voting rights and solidifying themselves as a permanent aristocracy. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're in a situation where it's not unreasonable to start

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<v Speaker 1>looking at other quote unquote permanent aristocracies in history and

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<v Speaker 1>what happened to them, Right, And so that's why I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to talk about Versailla this week. Right, You know,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a case where the bastard is this system,

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<v Speaker 1>this world of the nobility, where they were cloistered away

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<v Speaker 1>from the rest of the country deliberately for some interesting reasons,

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<v Speaker 1>and like what happened to their brains as a result

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<v Speaker 1>of that, and kind of why it all came crashing down. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>This is not going to be obviously, Mike Duncan's done

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<v Speaker 1>the much more full version of like why the French

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<v Speaker 1>Revolution happened. This is not These aren't episodes about the

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<v Speaker 1>French Revolution. These are specifically episodes about how the Court

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<v Speaker 1>at Versailles came into being, how it kind of how

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<v Speaker 1>it deranged the people who lived there, and how that

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<v Speaker 1>aspect of things contributed to the revolution. So largely we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about what's wrong with French people.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep, yeah, yeah, on nine episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and what do you know about Versailles?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh? Alarmingly little just the Treaty of Versaill and how

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<v Speaker 3>well that went.

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<v Speaker 1>That did go really well, really well. There were a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of those treaties and they all went well. But yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so there's a Probably the best popular culture touchstone on

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<v Speaker 1>this recently would be that two thousand and sixth Sophia

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<v Speaker 1>Coppola movie about Marie Antoinette.

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<v Speaker 4>Sure, and everybody knows about you know, the garden.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually don't know about the garden, the garden of Versailles. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you mean the literal guy that you're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about a movie called the Garden. No, Yes, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>nice garden versall.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, that is that is the borderline like basic knowledge

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<v Speaker 4>that everybody has.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, which is why I knew about him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, nice garden, big palace, you know, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>that Okay, I'm glad that's what you know, because there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more there. The story of Versailles is the

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<v Speaker 1>story of, among other things, the invention of like the

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<v Speaker 1>modern centralized administrative state, just done in kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>craziest way imaginable. And in order to tell that story,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got to start with a guy who is probably

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<v Speaker 1>close to you know what, what of the contenders for

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<v Speaker 1>like best at being a king, just on a technical level,

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<v Speaker 1>of anybody who was ever a king. Louis the fourteen,

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<v Speaker 1>better known as the Sun King because he had a

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<v Speaker 1>very high opinion of himself but which was somewhat justified.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the guy who is the longest reigning king

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<v Speaker 1>in human history, like nobody, nobody was king for longer.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably he spent seventy two years on the throne, which

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<v Speaker 1>is nuts, like an objectively crazy amount of time to

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<v Speaker 1>do any job. El Davis of Kings, I do, crazy podcaster.

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<v Speaker 1>He was wretched and crazy at the end. He's so

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<v Speaker 1>wretched and crazy. Oh my god, his ass is rotting.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what kills him.

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<v Speaker 3>It's great.

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<v Speaker 1>From ass Rod, Yes he sure does. And oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, this story's got it all baby. So Louis

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<v Speaker 1>the fourteenth. All of the French kings in this period

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<v Speaker 1>are are Louis right. They will be referred to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of casually by some historians as the Louis Right because

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<v Speaker 1>they're kind of interchangeable, with the exception of the Son

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<v Speaker 1>King in some ways where you just talking about like

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<v Speaker 1>and then this Louis and that. Yeah, So Louis the fourteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>our boy was born in September of sixteen thirty eight

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<v Speaker 1>to Anne of Austria and Louis the thirteenth. His mom

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<v Speaker 1>was shockingly old to give birth at the time. She's

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<v Speaker 1>like middle aged and had had four stillbirths before him,

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<v Speaker 1>so the fact that he came out not just alive

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<v Speaker 1>but very healthy was regarded as a miracle and a

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<v Speaker 1>good sign right he would grow up to be a

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<v Speaker 1>mama's boy. So Louis the thirteenth dies like immediately after

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<v Speaker 1>his son is born, and he had been very clear

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<v Speaker 1>in his last days that Anne, his wife, should not

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<v Speaker 1>govern after his death. This is a thing in a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of other European countries, like in many European countries,

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<v Speaker 1>like in Russia, right women can reign, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>the queen if things work out that way, the queen

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<v Speaker 1>can be the regent, that she can run shit. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>That is not the case in France. They do not

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<v Speaker 1>allow that in this period in France, and Louis the

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<v Speaker 1>eighth is like, Anne should not govern after my death,

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<v Speaker 1>and so he creates a regency council to manage things

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<v Speaker 1>until Louis the fourteenth is old enough to run France

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<v Speaker 1>on his own and part of why he does this

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<v Speaker 1>is that Anne is not French, right, She's Anne of Austria. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>that's also not a good description of who she was,

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<v Speaker 1>because you would expect giving them the name is Anne

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<v Speaker 1>of Austria, you would expect her to be from Austria, right, right?

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<v Speaker 3>Where is she from?

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Ed, of course she's not from a She's from Spain. Obviously.

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<v Speaker 1>You call Anne of Austria the Austria the woman from Spain.

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<v Speaker 1>She's the Queen of Navarre. She's like the whole sta thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And her name has nothing to do with geography. It's

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<v Speaker 1>purely a result of the fact that she is a Habsburg. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a branch of the family who are Spanish, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And that that's why she's Anne of Austria, because the

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<v Speaker 1>happenings are also the house of Austria. Yes, yes, yes, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>there's so many Habsburgs. Oh, we're gonna be talking about

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<v Speaker 1>Habsburg jaws later in this story.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't worry, buddy, don't worry.

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<v Speaker 1>There's there's Habsburg's all throughout on his Fatherfucker, that makes

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<v Speaker 1>me so happy, makes me? Does it make you Habsburg Habspurg?

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<v Speaker 1>Hopefully then your blood wouldn't clot Actually, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>that was a Habsburg problem, that's anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>I truly don't actually know. I just know that they

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<v Speaker 3>will have sex to each other. They all did.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of people fucking their cousins in this story.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just not just how royalty is. So from age

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<v Speaker 1>four on, which is like when his dad dies, Louis

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<v Speaker 1>the fourteen's earliest memories would have been a political turmoil

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<v Speaker 1>between his mother and her native country, because again, the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that she's a Habsburg means that the French people

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<v Speaker 1>don't trust her. They're like, well, she's obviously going to

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<v Speaker 1>be more loyal to Spain and to Austria than she

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<v Speaker 1>is to France. This is a constant problem because you

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<v Speaker 1>are always bringing in nobles from other houses in Europe

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<v Speaker 1>to like marry the king, and there's always this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like, well then they can't possibly put France first, right, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And there had just been a war between, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as there is constantly in this period between France and Spain.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a lot of reasons why people don't trust Anne,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's going to have a big influence on him.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this like distrust for his mom by the French people. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>because we're talking about European nobility this week, I really

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<v Speaker 1>need to emphasize everything that I say explain about these

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<v Speaker 1>people is going to sound ridiculous. This whole culture that

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<v Speaker 1>has come up around the nobility is nonsense by this period.

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<v Speaker 1>They've just been in power for too long and the

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<v Speaker 1>system is crazy. Louie is going to make it a

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<v Speaker 1>lot crazier. But I do think it's worth kind of

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<v Speaker 1>emphasizing that. So the next time you read that our

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<v Speaker 1>Grand Vizier Elon Musk has appointed a man named big

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<v Speaker 1>Balls to control all of our personal tax data, remember

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<v Speaker 1>that people in power have always been irritating dipshits. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>That's not unique to the United States. That's just something

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<v Speaker 1>that comes with giving small groups of people all of

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<v Speaker 1>the power, right.

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<v Speaker 3>The traditionally we did it in the post.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, and now we're doing it in the future.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Good stuff, great stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So Anne actually had gotten his mom had gotten confined

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<v Speaker 1>to house arrest for passing military secrets to her dad

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<v Speaker 1>at one point. But she does this thing that is

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<v Speaker 1>very common when she becomes the Queen Regent. She exiles

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of her own supporters and kind of betrays

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<v Speaker 1>her family to run France. Right, she chooses to go

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<v Speaker 1>for France, and this was a pragmatic move because once

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<v Speaker 1>her husband died, her position was not really stable. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>most of the big decisions made for France in this

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<v Speaker 1>period are not.

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<v Speaker 3>Made by Anne.

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<v Speaker 1>They're made by a guy that Ann appoints to rule

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<v Speaker 1>in her son's stead. And that guy's name is Cardinal Mazarin,

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<v Speaker 1>and he is one of these like extremely powerful, like

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<v Speaker 1>non royal ruler, like he's not like a king, but

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<v Speaker 1>he's kind of governing France for a period of time. Here.

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<v Speaker 1>By the time the child King Louis the fourteenth is

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<v Speaker 1>eight or nine years old, the Thirty Years War, which

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<v Speaker 1>is this war that his dad, you know, had spent

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<v Speaker 1>his life fighting, is drawing to a close. And given

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that it was a thirty years war, it

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<v Speaker 1>had been monstrously expensive and kind of a financial disaster

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<v Speaker 1>for France the end of it. Cardinal Mazarin is anxious

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<v Speaker 1>to keep the army funded until everything is locked down

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<v Speaker 1>about the peace treaty. And since the crown had no

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<v Speaker 1>more money after thirty years of war, this meant that

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<v Speaker 1>they had to institute new taxes now France is a

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<v Speaker 1>semi feudal society.

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<v Speaker 3>At this point, it.

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<v Speaker 1>Is less feudile than basically all of the rest of Europe.

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<v Speaker 1>In Germany, there are still serfs, right, as in like

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<v Speaker 1>the common people are literally like like bonded to the land,

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<v Speaker 1>Like they're essentially a kind of slave. They can't leave

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<v Speaker 1>without the permission of the landowner.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Serfs are really not much of a thing in France

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<v Speaker 1>and the period that we're talking about, and they are

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<v Speaker 1>become they're basically going extinct. Right, France has modernized to

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<v Speaker 1>that extent, and in fact they're kind of the country

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<v Speaker 1>is sort of in the process of becoming less of

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<v Speaker 1>a feudal state and more of kind of like a

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<v Speaker 1>hybrid like modernized semi feudal state. Right, Like you still

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<v Speaker 1>have a nobility, the nobility our most are going in

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<v Speaker 1>this period are going from like literally governing directly where

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<v Speaker 1>you've got this duke and he controls this area too.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got this duke and he doesn't govern anything directly,

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<v Speaker 1>but he does have the right to collect taxes in

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<v Speaker 1>this certain area, or to collect duties in this industry

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever, and right that's his privilege as the duke

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<v Speaker 1>but he's not doing the governing. We have like professionals

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<v Speaker 1>who are doing the actual governing in this region or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Now during the Thirty Years War, again, the only way

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<v Speaker 1>that they can pay for this is by increasing taxes.

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<v Speaker 1>And these these taxes don't primarily hit the nobility. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the nobility's privileges that they maintain is an exemption

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<v Speaker 1>from the taxes paid by peasants and the bourgeoisie. Right

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<v Speaker 1>like this, basically you call them the small business owners

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<v Speaker 1>of France.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, suggesting is that the poorer people pay more and

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<v Speaker 3>the richer people have found a way around taxes somehow.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's a big parts, yes, But there's a caveat

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<v Speaker 1>to that, which is the peasants are poor people and

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<v Speaker 1>they are paying taxes. The bourgeoisie are often wealthier than

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<v Speaker 1>the nobles, right huh, But they're not nobles. These are

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<v Speaker 1>guys who start businesses, who are running trade and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>for France. Some of them are extremely wealthy, and they

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<v Speaker 1>are also paying taxes, and they're really not happy about that, right, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But the nobility get a big exemption from taxes in

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<v Speaker 1>this period.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the conflicts that's going to like increasingly be

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<v Speaker 1>a problem up to the revolution. Is the BOURGEOISI being like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>why are we paying taxes and these people are exempt? Right, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not thrilled about that. So this does mean that

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<v Speaker 1>regular French people are largely being kind of brutalized by

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<v Speaker 1>the cost of the war against the Habsburgs of Spain.

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<v Speaker 1>The job of approving new taxes, like the king will

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<v Speaker 1>say I want this tax, but it has to be

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<v Speaker 1>approved by the parliaments. Now to you and I. Coming

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<v Speaker 1>out of the English tradition, parliament means like essentially a

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<v Speaker 1>governing body, sort of like a congress, is right, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not really what a parliament is in France. Parliaments in

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<v Speaker 1>France are courts, right, They're court systems. Like the Parliament

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<v Speaker 1>of Paris is a court system in Paris, and you

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<v Speaker 1>have a bunch of judges who are nobles who own

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<v Speaker 1>their seat as a judge. Like that judgeship is the personal,

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<v Speaker 1>hereditary property of a noble who is one of these

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<v Speaker 1>members of the parliament. And the parliaments have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of judges and clerks and whatnot. But these are like

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<v Speaker 1>court systems when we talk about parliaments, but it is

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<v Speaker 1>their job to approve new taxes. And this is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of one of the ways in which the French state

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<v Speaker 1>has started to modernize in this period. Right, just this

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<v Speaker 1>duke controls this area and he takes taxes. We've got

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<v Speaker 1>this professional legal system, right that is responsible for approving

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<v Speaker 1>these things, and a lot of conflicts with the crown

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<v Speaker 1>are going to be the parliament trying to protect its power,

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<v Speaker 1>right when the king wants to do stuff directly. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>this causes issues because it makes the fact that the

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<v Speaker 1>king wants these new taxes on the common people in

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<v Speaker 1>the bourgeoisie, and the parliament has to approve them. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got these parliaments in royal courts that have to

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<v Speaker 1>approve the taxes and they don't want to. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to not because they like love the peasantry and

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<v Speaker 1>think that it's unfair. They don't want to because the

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<v Speaker 1>peasantry riots over a new taxes I was going to say,

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<v Speaker 1>not dying, right, and the parliament needing to approve them.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of the situation the kings have developed so

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<v Speaker 1>that like, hey, if these guys have to sign off

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<v Speaker 1>on it too, maybe they're the first people who get

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<v Speaker 1>sort of mobbed you know, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>The people with the signature. Probably the one why the

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<v Speaker 3>kings so insulate is, well, is it just because they

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<v Speaker 3>can deploy the army against the peasantry.

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<v Speaker 1>They can deploy the army, And this is a thing

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<v Speaker 1>that increasingly happens in this period where there's this desire

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<v Speaker 1>to strip the nobility of direct power. Right, So just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a smart play if the nobility has to

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<v Speaker 1>is in this position where they're doing, you can make

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<v Speaker 1>them do unpopular things, right, You can kind of loop

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<v Speaker 1>them in on the shit you need to do. That

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<v Speaker 1>nobody likes to the extent that they get blamed for that.

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<v Speaker 1>It makes it harder for them to like have their

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<v Speaker 1>own power base, you know, and they get they don't

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<v Speaker 1>get tax than a nobility.

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<v Speaker 3>No, they do.

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<v Speaker 1>There they are in this period immune to most taxes.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, and that's the trade off, I imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's part of the trade off. And kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the issue here is the nobility or not friendly always

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<v Speaker 1>with the crown, right, Like the nobility are both the

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<v Speaker 1>people who govern with you, right and who are supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be taking your lead as the king. But whenever

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<v Speaker 1>there's a rebellion against a king, it usually comes from

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<v Speaker 1>the nobility in this period. Right. So that's part of

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<v Speaker 1>why you would want a system like this as the king,

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<v Speaker 1>because it protects you to a degree, right, But it

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<v Speaker 1>does mean that there's constant conflicts between the crown and

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<v Speaker 1>these parliaments. And these judges resist some of the central

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<v Speaker 1>government's new taxes. Cardinal Mazarin and Ann repost by threatening

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<v Speaker 1>to change the rules about how judge ships work and

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<v Speaker 1>like make it so that you don't own your seat today. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>in this period, being a judge is like being a

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<v Speaker 1>subway franchise owner, right, and that it's your property and

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<v Speaker 1>you pass it on to your kids, right. And the

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<v Speaker 1>rules governing this are part of something called the paulette tax,

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<v Speaker 1>which came up for renewal in sixteen forty eight. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit like you could consider it a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit like a union contract coming up. And so Mazarin

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<v Speaker 1>and Ann are like, well, we don't have to let

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<v Speaker 1>this work the same way we can take these privileges

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<v Speaker 1>away from you. And I'm going to read a quote

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<v Speaker 1>from an article by the UK College of Arts and

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<v Speaker 1>Sciences Department of History on the matter and their anxiety

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<v Speaker 1>to force through new tax edicts Anne of Austria and

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<v Speaker 1>Mazarin drove the judges of Parliament too far. On fifteenth

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<v Speaker 1>January sixteen forty eight, they brought the nine year old

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<v Speaker 1>king to a formal session of the court called the

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<v Speaker 1>lit de Justiced, to force the judges to register an

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<v Speaker 1>unpopular tax measure. The judges exercised their right to remonstrate

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<v Speaker 1>or criticize the edict, starting a series of events that

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<v Speaker 1>culminated in a call for the judges of all the

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<v Speaker 1>Paris courts to come together to consider reforms in the kingdom.

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<v Speaker 1>On the twenty sixth of June, acting without the Regent's support,

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<v Speaker 1>the Parliament summoned those judges to meet in a body

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<v Speaker 1>called the chambret Is Saint Louis. This date marked the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of the fraud. Street demonstrations organized by Retz showed

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<v Speaker 1>that the judges had strong popular support. The Frondeurs focus

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<v Speaker 1>their anger, especially on Mazarin. They'd announced him as a

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<v Speaker 1>foreigner who had no respect for the laws and institutions

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<v Speaker 1>of France and as an intriguer who is using his

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<v Speaker 1>influence over and to enrich himself and ruined the country.

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<v Speaker 1>Paris was flooded with printed pamphlets called Mazarinades, vicious personal

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<v Speaker 1>attacks on the minister. This foreign rogue, juggler, comedian, famous robber,

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<v Speaker 1>low Italian fellow fit only to be hung as one

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<v Speaker 1>of them.

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<v Speaker 3>That is us.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a juggler, Buddy is a juggler.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like if this was twenty twenty five that

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<v Speaker 4>it would have been like podcaster, where's bathrobe?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? Sorry, Cardinal Mazarin. I mean, first off, as a

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<v Speaker 1>low Italian, I hate this kind of racism. As a judge,

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<v Speaker 1>oh man, foreign famous.

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<v Speaker 3>Guy doing something to as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, can you imagine that that would never happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Just it is funny bringing up Musk too that like

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<v Speaker 1>he keeps bringing his little kid into these like massive

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<v Speaker 1>like these moments that are like going to be major

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<v Speaker 1>political moments, like sticking his child in there.

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<v Speaker 3>It brings his child at PHP to the White House.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I think it's fun that in this and this

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<v Speaker 1>just does show how even our dumb system is a

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<v Speaker 1>little less dumb than things used to be. Where today

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<v Speaker 1>the nine year old child king, doesn't you know, is

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<v Speaker 1>not the one like like the nine year old is

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<v Speaker 1>not like in charge of anything. He's just being brought

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<v Speaker 1>around by his dad, who's basically the Cardinal Mazarin.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's what I wanted to establish, is this child

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<v Speaker 3>in France power? Can the child do things? Yet not

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<v Speaker 3>called the Mazarin? No, no, it's obviously it's not this.

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<v Speaker 3>This society isn't stupid. They would not let a young

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<v Speaker 3>child run things. You don't get to run things until

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<v Speaker 3>you are the mature age of thirteen. Of course, that's

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<v Speaker 3>when you become a man.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, that's when you're a full man and able

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<v Speaker 1>to govern. So as a nine year old, of course

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<v Speaker 1>not that would be So what you possibly know?

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<v Speaker 3>You have four long years to go.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think I could have governed France at thirteen.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm busy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would have spent the entire national budget on

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<v Speaker 1>Warhammer miniatures. But honestly, can you tell me that's worse

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<v Speaker 1>than what the French are doing now? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't pay it better than I I fucking mccrun.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, look, guys, you don't get health care this year

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<v Speaker 1>because I really went on a spending spree in Nottingham.

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<v Speaker 1>Like there's a lot of unpainted plastic and resin come

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<v Speaker 1>into my pyids and you're just like just like this

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<v Speaker 1>is why you can't eat, Like your power is one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars pounds an hour or what you're all last year,

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<v Speaker 1>But I will be happy painting, but I'll have a

0:25:52.560 --> 0:25:56.439
<v Speaker 1>lot of work to do. No, So they bring this

0:25:56.560 --> 0:25:59.240
<v Speaker 1>nine year old king to this this formal session, and

0:25:59.359 --> 0:26:02.400
<v Speaker 1>it causes as a result of how bad it goes,

0:26:02.440 --> 0:26:05.040
<v Speaker 1>you get this rebellion. This is a civil war called

0:26:05.040 --> 0:26:07.760
<v Speaker 1>the Frond Right, which is, you know, it's kind of

0:26:07.880 --> 0:26:11.119
<v Speaker 1>on one side. You've got these these judges and nobles

0:26:11.240 --> 0:26:13.919
<v Speaker 1>who are angry at the fact that the king is

0:26:14.880 --> 0:26:17.000
<v Speaker 1>are angry at the fact that the king is continuing

0:26:17.040 --> 0:26:19.360
<v Speaker 1>to like pull strip powers from them, or at least

0:26:19.400 --> 0:26:21.639
<v Speaker 1>that you could. You'd say the crown is right, and

0:26:21.680 --> 0:26:26.359
<v Speaker 1>so they're trying to protect their traditional powers and the

0:26:26.440 --> 0:26:31.199
<v Speaker 1>crown is trying to protect its absolute power, as you know,

0:26:31.280 --> 0:26:34.400
<v Speaker 1>the monarch right. And so you get a civil war. Now,

0:26:34.880 --> 0:26:38.400
<v Speaker 1>this doesn't go well for the fraud Right. They sort

0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:40.960
<v Speaker 1>of start out this thing, but they never they never

0:26:41.040 --> 0:26:44.560
<v Speaker 1>get momentum. There's never like much popular backing. The common

0:26:44.600 --> 0:26:47.520
<v Speaker 1>people are like, I don't really like in part because

0:26:47.760 --> 0:26:50.840
<v Speaker 1>the nobles in these parliaments are the ones who approve

0:26:50.920 --> 0:26:54.800
<v Speaker 1>new taxes. Regular people are never like one side is

0:26:54.920 --> 0:26:57.320
<v Speaker 1>much better than the other, and they tend to overall

0:26:57.400 --> 0:27:02.440
<v Speaker 1>back the crown. So the young King Louis the fourteenth

0:27:02.480 --> 0:27:06.880
<v Speaker 1>doesn't get uprooted by the Frond. Right, but there are

0:27:06.960 --> 0:27:09.080
<v Speaker 1>a couple of points that come close to a disaster

0:27:09.280 --> 0:27:09.640
<v Speaker 1>for him.

0:27:09.720 --> 0:27:09.880
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:27:09.920 --> 0:27:12.600
<v Speaker 1>There's a shitload of riots in this period. He and

0:27:12.640 --> 0:27:15.040
<v Speaker 1>his mother have to flee the capitol Paris for a

0:27:15.119 --> 0:27:19.600
<v Speaker 1>palace in Saint Germain nearby. The army clashes with rioters,

0:27:19.600 --> 0:27:22.560
<v Speaker 1>and while they put down the riots, the next year

0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:25.480
<v Speaker 1>more nobles join the insurrection, and they put together an

0:27:25.600 --> 0:27:28.840
<v Speaker 1>army large enough to force Mazarin to resign and flee

0:27:28.840 --> 0:27:32.760
<v Speaker 1>the country temporarily. The height of danger for young Louis

0:27:33.040 --> 0:27:35.720
<v Speaker 1>comes when a rumor spreads in Paris that the king

0:27:35.760 --> 0:27:39.160
<v Speaker 1>and his mother had fled the palace for a second time,

0:27:39.520 --> 0:27:41.800
<v Speaker 1>and a mob forms the palace to make sure that

0:27:41.880 --> 0:27:44.680
<v Speaker 1>the king is still there, right, that like he's not,

0:27:44.800 --> 0:27:48.800
<v Speaker 1>he hasn't left again, and they demand proof, and so

0:27:48.840 --> 0:27:53.560
<v Speaker 1>they break into his bedchambers and like as they're like

0:27:53.720 --> 0:27:56.959
<v Speaker 1>busting down the door, basically Queen Anne and like this

0:27:57.160 --> 0:27:59.480
<v Speaker 1>ten year old kidder talking and He's like, what the fuck.

0:27:59.359 --> 0:27:59.720
<v Speaker 3>Do I do?

0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:02.600
<v Speaker 1>She's like, just pretend like you're sleeping. Just pretend like

0:28:02.600 --> 0:28:06.080
<v Speaker 1>you're sleeping. And so that's what happens. This mob busts

0:28:06.080 --> 0:28:09.200
<v Speaker 1>in and Louis the fourteenth just pretends to be asleep.

0:28:11.280 --> 0:28:11.920
<v Speaker 3>Did it work?

0:28:12.720 --> 0:28:16.439
<v Speaker 1>It does? It does work. Again. These guys are not

0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:19.320
<v Speaker 1>This isn't like it'll be in seventeen eighty nine. They're

0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:22.040
<v Speaker 1>not busting into the palace because they want to kill

0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:23.840
<v Speaker 1>the king. They're busting into the palace because they want

0:28:23.880 --> 0:28:26.200
<v Speaker 1>to make sure he's still there. And like when he's

0:28:26.200 --> 0:28:28.840
<v Speaker 1>asleep there and he's like, he's sorry, he's twelve. Like

0:28:28.960 --> 0:28:32.399
<v Speaker 1>these people number one, they're not like anti monarchy. And

0:28:32.480 --> 0:28:34.560
<v Speaker 1>number two, they see like a sleeping twelve year old

0:28:34.560 --> 0:28:38.240
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, eh, we should probably go maybe this

0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:40.840
<v Speaker 1>guy out of hand. Yeah when did he fall asleep?

0:28:40.920 --> 0:28:41.600
<v Speaker 3>Is he gonna be up?

0:28:41.600 --> 0:28:44.880
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, maybe we don't want to like fuck

0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:48.320
<v Speaker 1>with this little kid who's asleep. So the front this

0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:52.080
<v Speaker 1>is obviously this is traumatizing, right having a mob basically

0:28:52.120 --> 0:28:55.120
<v Speaker 1>force their way into your bedchambers at age twelve. This

0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:58.640
<v Speaker 1>fucks Louis the fourteenth up and is going to massively

0:28:58.720 --> 0:29:01.680
<v Speaker 1>impact the decisions he made as an adult and regent,

0:29:02.720 --> 0:29:07.280
<v Speaker 1>but the frond ends with him still in power. That said,

0:29:07.320 --> 0:29:09.520
<v Speaker 1>he again, he's like traumatized by this, and he comes

0:29:09.560 --> 0:29:11.680
<v Speaker 1>away from the whole experience with a couple of conclusions.

0:29:12.040 --> 0:29:14.280
<v Speaker 1>One of them is that the nobility of France are

0:29:14.320 --> 0:29:17.000
<v Speaker 1>fucking out of pocket, and they need to be They

0:29:17.040 --> 0:29:20.160
<v Speaker 1>have too much power, and they need to be somehow

0:29:20.520 --> 0:29:24.920
<v Speaker 1>corralled and stopped from building bases of power of their own,

0:29:26.040 --> 0:29:27.959
<v Speaker 1>and they need to be put in a position where

0:29:28.320 --> 0:29:30.720
<v Speaker 1>the crown can keep an eye on them and make

0:29:30.720 --> 0:29:35.760
<v Speaker 1>sure that they're not plotting or scheming independently from the king. Right,

0:29:36.240 --> 0:29:39.120
<v Speaker 1>that's one conclusion he makes. The other conclusion he makes

0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:42.440
<v Speaker 1>is Paris is not a safe place, and he's got

0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:45.480
<v Speaker 1>this palace at Saint Germain, but he has bad memories

0:29:45.520 --> 0:29:47.800
<v Speaker 1>of it, so he's like, as an adult, he's going

0:29:47.840 --> 0:29:51.240
<v Speaker 1>to be like, I want a new seat of power. Right,

0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:55.200
<v Speaker 1>that's where we're going to get Versailles from. So cut

0:29:55.240 --> 0:29:58.360
<v Speaker 1>forward by about a decade or so. Louis the fourteenth

0:29:58.440 --> 0:30:01.760
<v Speaker 1>is twenty four years old. He is already a veteran

0:30:01.840 --> 0:30:04.640
<v Speaker 1>of war in the Spanish Netherlands. So he's gone to

0:30:04.680 --> 0:30:07.400
<v Speaker 1>war successfully. As the monarch. At this point, he's going

0:30:07.440 --> 0:30:10.920
<v Speaker 1>to spend most of his time going in between palaces

0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:14.280
<v Speaker 1>and the front He is a most of his reign

0:30:14.360 --> 0:30:18.840
<v Speaker 1>a wartime king. He had pushed France's frontiers outward, and

0:30:19.000 --> 0:30:21.440
<v Speaker 1>he had kind of built up a military. That is,

0:30:21.520 --> 0:30:24.400
<v Speaker 1>France is the number one land power in Europe at

0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:28.479
<v Speaker 1>this time, right and economically, the only country in Europe

0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:32.240
<v Speaker 1>that is a bigger economy than France is Denmark because

0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:36.040
<v Speaker 1>Denmark's doing a lot of overseas trading. This would be

0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:38.360
<v Speaker 1>the last time this kind of period of Louis the

0:30:38.400 --> 0:30:40.880
<v Speaker 1>fourteenth reign will be the last time for a century

0:30:40.960 --> 0:30:43.719
<v Speaker 1>or so in which France is actually in the black,

0:30:44.400 --> 0:30:48.800
<v Speaker 1>as in a good economic condition. But right now Louis

0:30:48.880 --> 0:30:51.040
<v Speaker 1>is rolling in it. He's got a shitload of cash

0:30:51.040 --> 0:30:53.320
<v Speaker 1>and a very powerful army, and he decides to use

0:30:53.360 --> 0:30:57.240
<v Speaker 1>that money to build a palace where he can number one,

0:30:57.600 --> 0:31:02.040
<v Speaker 1>feel safe and number two, all of the nobility away

0:31:02.080 --> 0:31:05.040
<v Speaker 1>from the rest of France to keep an eye on them. Right,

0:31:05.480 --> 0:31:10.120
<v Speaker 1>That's where Versailles comes out of. So speaking of a

0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:20.400
<v Speaker 1>bunch of out of touch rich people, let's throw to sponsors, Okay,

0:31:20.520 --> 0:31:23.640
<v Speaker 1>we're back. So I think when you look at like

0:31:23.720 --> 0:31:28.160
<v Speaker 1>casual histories of the revolution, they always talk about Versailles

0:31:28.160 --> 0:31:30.480
<v Speaker 1>and the situation there, how out of touch people are

0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:34.720
<v Speaker 1>this inwardly focused ruling class who live in this palace

0:31:34.800 --> 0:31:39.240
<v Speaker 1>altogether as like a contributing fact of the revolution.

0:31:39.400 --> 0:31:42.320
<v Speaker 3>And I just want to establish something. Yeah, all the

0:31:42.400 --> 0:31:43.920
<v Speaker 3>nobility was made to move in.

0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:47.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean not one hundred percent of them, but that's

0:31:47.280 --> 0:31:51.640
<v Speaker 1>the idea, right, the significant of the amount of them do,

0:31:51.880 --> 0:31:54.520
<v Speaker 1>and the ones that don't literally live there, like get

0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:58.120
<v Speaker 1>second houses nearby, like you have to. We'll talk about

0:31:58.160 --> 0:32:00.560
<v Speaker 1>this more because this is a thing that develops. But like, yes,

0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:04.840
<v Speaker 1>that is the ultimate product, is that like a significant

0:32:04.920 --> 0:32:09.320
<v Speaker 1>chunk most of the powerful nobility are at Versailles forever, right,

0:32:09.360 --> 0:32:12.520
<v Speaker 1>And that's the idea that Louis has, right, is he's

0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:16.240
<v Speaker 1>building this palace specifically to force them to hang out

0:32:16.240 --> 0:32:20.840
<v Speaker 1>with him, right, right. And when I'd read casual kind

0:32:20.840 --> 0:32:23.720
<v Speaker 1>of histories, and my understanding previous to really digging into

0:32:23.720 --> 0:32:27.080
<v Speaker 1>this was that this was a holdover from like France's

0:32:27.360 --> 0:32:30.360
<v Speaker 1>busted old feudal government. Right, this is like a medieval

0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:33.640
<v Speaker 1>holdover kind of coming into conflict with the modern world,

0:32:33.680 --> 0:32:35.400
<v Speaker 1>and that's part of why we get the French Revolution.

0:32:36.040 --> 0:32:40.080
<v Speaker 1>That's really not what Versailles is. Louis the fourteenth is

0:32:40.120 --> 0:32:43.640
<v Speaker 1>actually kind of creating one of the first modern central

0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:48.520
<v Speaker 1>governments when he establishes the palace at Versailles. Right, this

0:32:48.560 --> 0:32:52.719
<v Speaker 1>is actually a modernizing thing in some ways. Rulers had

0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:57.240
<v Speaker 1>always owned palaces, and those palaces were both homes and fortresses, right,

0:32:57.280 --> 0:32:59.480
<v Speaker 1>so you could have a place to wade out and

0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:03.640
<v Speaker 1>and can be war or an uprising. But Versailles it's

0:33:03.720 --> 0:33:06.560
<v Speaker 1>not a fortress for one thing, and it's not just

0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:11.280
<v Speaker 1>a home. It is an independent center of government. Versailles

0:33:11.320 --> 0:33:14.880
<v Speaker 1>has more in common with Washington, d C. Than, for example,

0:33:15.200 --> 0:33:20.640
<v Speaker 1>any of like the palaces and in England, right, any

0:33:20.640 --> 0:33:22.920
<v Speaker 1>of like the palaces of the House of windsor right

0:33:23.120 --> 0:33:26.560
<v Speaker 1>Buckingham or whatever. Versailles is less like that. It is

0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:28.920
<v Speaker 1>more like d C. As in d C was a

0:33:28.960 --> 0:33:31.920
<v Speaker 1>city that was created from the ground up to be

0:33:31.960 --> 0:33:35.240
<v Speaker 1>a center of government. Right, Right, that's what Versailles is.

0:33:37.040 --> 0:33:40.600
<v Speaker 1>And you know, in creating Versailles, Louis the fourteenth he

0:33:40.640 --> 0:33:43.920
<v Speaker 1>doesn't just want a home. He wants a sprawling complex

0:33:44.240 --> 0:33:48.560
<v Speaker 1>where the nobility of France will live and hang out

0:33:48.600 --> 0:33:51.920
<v Speaker 1>and basically always be around him, and the all of

0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:55.040
<v Speaker 1>the governing of the country will be done there. And

0:33:55.120 --> 0:33:58.400
<v Speaker 1>he's doing this both because that makes things more efficient

0:33:58.440 --> 0:34:01.800
<v Speaker 1>for him. You know, he's a relatively intelligent ruler. He

0:34:01.880 --> 0:34:05.640
<v Speaker 1>understands that centralizing all of the people who are in

0:34:05.720 --> 0:34:08.279
<v Speaker 1>charge of the country and keeping them around him makes

0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:12.319
<v Speaker 1>communication a lot more efficient. But also keeping all of

0:34:12.360 --> 0:34:15.600
<v Speaker 1>these people literally under the same roof allows him to

0:34:15.680 --> 0:34:18.239
<v Speaker 1>keep an eye on the group that had nearly overthrown

0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:21.080
<v Speaker 1>his family. Right, so we should talk for a bit

0:34:21.120 --> 0:34:24.279
<v Speaker 1>about the location he picks, right, why Versailles, because there's

0:34:24.360 --> 0:34:27.160
<v Speaker 1>nothing there, right, there's not a town in the area

0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:29.799
<v Speaker 1>at this point. They build one, but there's not a

0:34:29.840 --> 0:34:33.040
<v Speaker 1>town there. There's just an unpaved road into Paris and

0:34:33.160 --> 0:34:36.200
<v Speaker 1>a hunting lodge that Louis the Fourteenth's father had used

0:34:36.280 --> 0:34:39.919
<v Speaker 1>while you know, hunting and stuff. So Louis had grown

0:34:40.040 --> 0:34:42.880
<v Speaker 1>up fond of the area, which is about twenty miles

0:34:42.880 --> 0:34:46.480
<v Speaker 1>from Paris, because of his dad's hunting lodge, and what

0:34:46.640 --> 0:34:49.839
<v Speaker 1>became the palace started with they put some gardens in

0:34:49.920 --> 0:34:51.759
<v Speaker 1>next to the hunting lodge, and it's kind of a

0:34:51.800 --> 0:34:54.719
<v Speaker 1>place when he's a young man, like eighteen or nineteen,

0:34:55.280 --> 0:34:57.799
<v Speaker 1>Louis will go there with his friends and they'll like

0:34:57.960 --> 0:35:02.560
<v Speaker 1>camp out there and have party, you know, and so

0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:05.400
<v Speaker 1>this is kind of like the start. That's why he

0:35:05.440 --> 0:35:07.520
<v Speaker 1>gets the iddea that like this is where I want

0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:10.160
<v Speaker 1>to build my palace is because like this is he

0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:13.200
<v Speaker 1>and his friends, this little burning man spot, you know. Effectively,

0:35:14.080 --> 0:35:17.920
<v Speaker 1>so in March of sixteen sixty one, Cardinal Mazarin dies

0:35:18.200 --> 0:35:20.480
<v Speaker 1>and Louis the fourteenth this is this is kind of

0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:23.920
<v Speaker 1>what makes him independent as a ruler for the first time,

0:35:23.960 --> 0:35:27.600
<v Speaker 1>at least totally. Later that year, in August, he goes

0:35:27.640 --> 0:35:29.959
<v Speaker 1>to a party thrown by one of the nobles who's

0:35:29.960 --> 0:35:32.400
<v Speaker 1>hoping to curry favor with the new thing king, a

0:35:32.440 --> 0:35:36.719
<v Speaker 1>guy named Nicholas Fouquet. Fouquet is the Minister of Finance

0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:42.160
<v Speaker 1>and he's built this massive, sprawling, elaborate palace, Vaux de Vicomte,

0:35:42.680 --> 0:35:46.000
<v Speaker 1>which is like the best, probably the nicest palace in

0:35:46.040 --> 0:35:50.799
<v Speaker 1>France at the time. The architecture impresses Louis. He's like, wow,

0:35:50.840 --> 0:35:53.680
<v Speaker 1>this this place is really amazing. But he's also kind

0:35:53.719 --> 0:35:57.560
<v Speaker 1>of pissed at Fouquet because Fouquet is trying is like, Okay,

0:35:57.640 --> 0:36:00.920
<v Speaker 1>Mazarin's out. This guy is now the dude to impress.

0:36:01.320 --> 0:36:04.120
<v Speaker 1>I am going to like all go all out to

0:36:04.160 --> 0:36:06.520
<v Speaker 1>basically try to bribe him so that he will make

0:36:06.640 --> 0:36:09.560
<v Speaker 1>me his top advisor and I can basically run things.

0:36:09.880 --> 0:36:12.200
<v Speaker 1>And he tries to do this by like handing out

0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:15.720
<v Speaker 1>diamond tiaras and horses his party favors to his guests,

0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:19.360
<v Speaker 1>like he is he is just like yeah horse really

0:36:19.480 --> 0:36:23.200
<v Speaker 1>nice horses, you know, not not your not shit horses,

0:36:23.280 --> 0:36:26.440
<v Speaker 1>good ship as horses, not the good stuff. Is that

0:36:26.600 --> 0:36:30.560
<v Speaker 1>just promises that he's as Yeah, and like no, no,

0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:32.480
<v Speaker 1>he's got tons of horses on him. Yeah, just like

0:36:33.640 --> 0:36:37.480
<v Speaker 1>wonderful seth used to be so much stranger horses are

0:36:37.520 --> 0:36:39.560
<v Speaker 1>a big like the king at any given points going

0:36:39.600 --> 0:36:43.120
<v Speaker 1>to own like twenty five hundred horses, like personally, like

0:36:43.160 --> 0:36:45.440
<v Speaker 1>that's just that's just the way it is. If you're rich,

0:36:47.000 --> 0:36:49.920
<v Speaker 1>that's like the equivalent of having three nice cars.

0:36:50.040 --> 0:36:50.320
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:36:52.360 --> 0:36:56.320
<v Speaker 1>But so this guy, ifuk, he's showing off this massive

0:36:56.400 --> 0:36:59.799
<v Speaker 1>palace that like impresses even the young king, and he's

0:36:59.800 --> 0:37:02.120
<v Speaker 1>handing out diamond tiaras and horses, and it's you know,

0:37:02.160 --> 0:37:04.919
<v Speaker 1>this is mint is kind of a bribe to get

0:37:04.960 --> 0:37:07.480
<v Speaker 1>Louie to be like, oh, this guy really knows what's up.

0:37:08.440 --> 0:37:11.240
<v Speaker 1>But it just pisses off Louis, right, And it pisses

0:37:11.280 --> 0:37:13.960
<v Speaker 1>off Louie because he's like, you're the Minister of finance.

0:37:14.680 --> 0:37:17.480
<v Speaker 1>How much of this money you're spending is really my money?

0:37:17.920 --> 0:37:18.080
<v Speaker 3>Right?

0:37:20.600 --> 0:37:24.040
<v Speaker 1>Where did you get all of this money, Minister of Finance?

0:37:24.160 --> 0:37:26.640
<v Speaker 1>Is any of it my shit that you're tossing around?

0:37:26.640 --> 0:37:28.640
<v Speaker 1>Are you bribing me with my own money?

0:37:29.239 --> 0:37:29.359
<v Speaker 3>Uh?

0:37:29.800 --> 0:37:32.759
<v Speaker 1>And so he ends the night by arresting Fouquet and

0:37:32.800 --> 0:37:41.640
<v Speaker 1>locking him up in a fortress. Yeah, it's pretty cool.

0:37:41.960 --> 0:37:44.640
<v Speaker 1>In her book The Son King, Nancy Mitford writes that

0:37:44.719 --> 0:37:47.160
<v Speaker 1>as a result of this quote, we seldom here of

0:37:47.200 --> 0:37:49.040
<v Speaker 1>other people giving parties for the king.

0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:55.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. How long did in prison? Fool?

0:37:55.800 --> 0:37:56.200
<v Speaker 4>Was it just?

0:37:56.880 --> 0:37:59.120
<v Speaker 1>I think he's in there for a long years and

0:37:59.200 --> 0:38:01.799
<v Speaker 1>years and years. I don't know when when that guy

0:38:01.840 --> 0:38:02.799
<v Speaker 1>specifically gets you out.

0:38:02.680 --> 0:38:04.440
<v Speaker 3>Because she might have spent the King's money.

0:38:04.680 --> 0:38:09.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's with the horses. If if Louis the fourteenth

0:38:09.320 --> 0:38:11.520
<v Speaker 1>doesn't like you, he will lock you in a fortress

0:38:11.520 --> 0:38:15.000
<v Speaker 1>for a decade or so. Maybe that's his thing. Okay,

0:38:15.000 --> 0:38:19.000
<v Speaker 1>he loves putting people in fortresses. So the king raided

0:38:19.000 --> 0:38:23.200
<v Speaker 1>Fouquet's home, taking silver ornaments, tapestries, a library, and more

0:38:23.239 --> 0:38:26.640
<v Speaker 1>than one thousand orange trees. This is going to be

0:38:26.719 --> 0:38:30.760
<v Speaker 1>a signature of Louis the Fourteenth's reign is he fucking

0:38:30.880 --> 0:38:35.080
<v Speaker 1>loves orange trees And it starts here. Now, orange trees.

0:38:35.239 --> 0:38:37.200
<v Speaker 1>It's not easy to keep them healthy in the north

0:38:37.200 --> 0:38:37.680
<v Speaker 1>of France.

0:38:38.160 --> 0:38:38.279
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

0:38:38.400 --> 0:38:40.960
<v Speaker 1>And they were so valued that each tree lived in

0:38:41.000 --> 0:38:45.279
<v Speaker 1>a pure silver pot. Like that's the planters that they

0:38:45.400 --> 0:38:50.680
<v Speaker 1>use for orange trees are just made out of silvers.

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<v Speaker 4>What what are we talking about here?

0:38:52.000 --> 0:38:55.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but there were when when Nancy Mitford

0:38:55.760 --> 0:38:58.160
<v Speaker 1>wrote her book in the sixties, some of Louis the

0:38:58.200 --> 0:39:02.759
<v Speaker 1>Fourteenth's orange trees were still alive. So he's pretty good

0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:04.120
<v Speaker 1>at keeping these things going.

0:39:04.239 --> 0:39:07.440
<v Speaker 4>You know, maybe we all need silver plum.

0:39:07.719 --> 0:39:10.480
<v Speaker 3>Maybe maybe we should grow everything in silver.

0:39:10.960 --> 0:39:15.440
<v Speaker 1>We don't know, We don't know. You know, have your

0:39:15.600 --> 0:39:17.040
<v Speaker 1>if you've got a baby, have them.

0:39:17.400 --> 0:39:18.160
<v Speaker 3>It played it.

0:39:18.239 --> 0:39:19.840
<v Speaker 1>Entirely in silver. See if it works.

0:39:20.080 --> 0:39:20.360
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:39:20.400 --> 0:39:22.400
<v Speaker 1>I think I watched a James Bond movie that suggests

0:39:22.400 --> 0:39:24.399
<v Speaker 1>that might be a bad idea. Try it either way.

0:39:25.040 --> 0:39:29.080
<v Speaker 1>So he orders the construction of a palace at Versailles

0:39:29.440 --> 0:39:33.560
<v Speaker 1>Louis the fourteenth built after this, because he's like, look

0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:36.600
<v Speaker 1>this Fouquet guy, fuck him, but this palace is is

0:39:36.640 --> 0:39:39.400
<v Speaker 1>pretty nice. I think I could do better. So he

0:39:39.480 --> 0:39:43.640
<v Speaker 1>hires that the guys who had made Louise or Fouquet's palace,

0:39:44.000 --> 0:39:46.880
<v Speaker 1>and he has them start building a palace at Versailles,

0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:50.200
<v Speaker 1>with the centerpiece being his old, his dad's old hunting lodge.

0:39:50.280 --> 0:39:53.319
<v Speaker 1>Right now, the resulting complex, which is going to take

0:39:53.400 --> 0:39:57.239
<v Speaker 1>years to build, is massive. Among other things, there are

0:39:57.239 --> 0:40:00.560
<v Speaker 1>three hundred and fifty apartments, right, which is three fifty

0:40:00.640 --> 0:40:03.919
<v Speaker 1>individual living areas for different nobles. Right.

0:40:04.400 --> 0:40:07.360
<v Speaker 3>Items just invented dorms.

0:40:07.000 --> 0:40:10.000
<v Speaker 1>He did, He doesn't invent dorms. This is and one

0:40:10.040 --> 0:40:13.640
<v Speaker 1>way to look at Versailles. If you cross the Pentagon

0:40:14.120 --> 0:40:18.680
<v Speaker 1>and the White House with a frat house and Versai

0:40:19.239 --> 0:40:21.959
<v Speaker 1>and we work. Yes, yes, yeah, it's all of those

0:40:22.000 --> 0:40:26.919
<v Speaker 1>things that once. Yes, yes, there's also banquet halls, there's

0:40:27.000 --> 0:40:31.000
<v Speaker 1>dance halls. There's meeting rooms. Uh, there's even an entire

0:40:31.080 --> 0:40:36.160
<v Speaker 1>two hundred and forty foot room lined entirely in mirrors,

0:40:36.200 --> 0:40:38.560
<v Speaker 1>and mirrors are hard to make at this point, right,

0:40:38.760 --> 0:40:41.160
<v Speaker 1>It's if you have a room lined in mirrors. It's

0:40:41.200 --> 0:40:43.440
<v Speaker 1>to show off. I got fucking mirror money. I got

0:40:43.440 --> 0:40:45.080
<v Speaker 1>so much mirror money. I got a room of the

0:40:45.120 --> 0:40:45.920
<v Speaker 1>sons of bitches.

0:40:46.680 --> 0:40:49.160
<v Speaker 3>So is there a logic behind the mirror room or

0:40:49.239 --> 0:40:51.960
<v Speaker 3>is it just so everyone could see you press everybody?

0:40:52.160 --> 0:40:55.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so everybody can see. This is how rich the king.

0:40:55.120 --> 0:40:58.600
<v Speaker 3>Is, and themselves at every corner.

0:40:58.480 --> 0:41:01.719
<v Speaker 1>And they can yet see themselves in every corner. Francis

0:41:01.800 --> 0:41:04.680
<v Speaker 1>Loring Paine describes in her book The Story of Versailles

0:41:04.880 --> 0:41:09.120
<v Speaker 1>seventeen lofty windows are matched by as many Venetian framed mirrors.

0:41:09.120 --> 0:41:12.320
<v Speaker 1>Between each window and mirror are pilasters designed by Kozuvu,

0:41:12.680 --> 0:41:16.400
<v Speaker 1>Tubi and Cafarrie, reigning masters of their time. Walls are

0:41:16.480 --> 0:41:21.320
<v Speaker 1>of marble, embellished with bronze gilt trophies, large Nietzsches niches

0:41:21.800 --> 0:41:27.759
<v Speaker 1>contain statues in the antique style. So pretty fancy, and

0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:30.120
<v Speaker 1>this is in fact a palace unlike any of the

0:41:30.160 --> 0:41:33.759
<v Speaker 1>world had seen before. Louis the fourteenth, the man who

0:41:33.760 --> 0:41:37.080
<v Speaker 1>would call himself the Sun King, was not a patient person,

0:41:37.160 --> 0:41:40.600
<v Speaker 1>so he ordered the construction rushed and damned the cost

0:41:40.719 --> 0:41:43.480
<v Speaker 1>either in money or in lives. Once he has this idea,

0:41:43.520 --> 0:41:46.560
<v Speaker 1>is like, I want this operational as soon as possible.

0:41:46.600 --> 0:41:50.319
<v Speaker 1>He's like the Emperor Palpatine, if the Death Star was

0:41:50.400 --> 0:41:53.440
<v Speaker 1>just a place for rich people to party and be

0:41:53.560 --> 0:41:57.760
<v Speaker 1>spied on. In an article for BBC History Magazine, Johnny

0:41:57.760 --> 0:42:01.120
<v Speaker 1>Wilkes writes building went on from to dusk, with up

0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:04.680
<v Speaker 1>to thirty six thousand people working in the gardens in

0:42:04.760 --> 0:42:09.160
<v Speaker 1>dire and dangerous conditions. Injuries became a daily occurrence, and

0:42:09.239 --> 0:42:12.440
<v Speaker 1>so many died that bodies would be quietly removed at

0:42:12.560 --> 0:42:15.880
<v Speaker 1>night in bulk. The workers went on strike, but Louis

0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:18.920
<v Speaker 1>saw Versailles as a symbol of his prestige, and therefore

0:42:19.040 --> 0:42:22.600
<v Speaker 1>France's prestige. It was worth any price. When half a

0:42:22.640 --> 0:42:25.560
<v Speaker 1>dozen men were crushed in an accident, one grieving mother

0:42:25.640 --> 0:42:29.319
<v Speaker 1>approached Louis to request her son's body. He had her imprisoned.

0:42:30.560 --> 0:42:33.120
<v Speaker 3>Okay, seems fair, seems cool?

0:42:33.280 --> 0:42:35.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, of course, how dare she?

0:42:35.840 --> 0:42:37.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeahs fucking rude.

0:42:37.719 --> 0:42:41.239
<v Speaker 1>She didn't understand that this was about France's prestige, not

0:42:41.360 --> 0:42:43.919
<v Speaker 1>how many people with horse guy.

0:42:44.320 --> 0:42:44.919
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, rude.

0:42:45.760 --> 0:42:47.719
<v Speaker 1>Look, people are gonna get crushed to death.

0:42:47.800 --> 0:42:51.319
<v Speaker 3>Obvious happiness. Oh my god, you get over it.

0:42:51.600 --> 0:42:54.719
<v Speaker 1>You can't have a frat house Pentagon without breaking a

0:42:54.760 --> 0:42:58.520
<v Speaker 1>few hundred laborers. God yeah, Jesus, give me a break.

0:42:58.760 --> 0:43:06.680
<v Speaker 1>You're people are unreasonable, you know. So By May sixth,

0:43:06.760 --> 0:43:09.319
<v Speaker 1>sixteen sixty two, the whole palace is still very much

0:43:09.440 --> 0:43:12.200
<v Speaker 1>under construction. It would remain that way for years, but

0:43:12.360 --> 0:43:14.560
<v Speaker 1>enough had been completed that Louis was able to throw

0:43:14.680 --> 0:43:17.759
<v Speaker 1>a grand party and begin the process of moving in.

0:43:18.200 --> 0:43:21.080
<v Speaker 1>Now this would be a year's long process. At first,

0:43:21.160 --> 0:43:23.840
<v Speaker 1>Louie's like spending a day every week there, and partly

0:43:23.840 --> 0:43:27.840
<v Speaker 1>because he's also traveling constantly in between like Versailles or

0:43:27.880 --> 0:43:30.920
<v Speaker 1>wherever else he's staying and the front where the wars

0:43:30.960 --> 0:43:35.239
<v Speaker 1>are happening, right And basically, for Louis, the war is

0:43:35.320 --> 0:43:37.759
<v Speaker 1>kind of a gigwork thing, right, Like he's got his

0:43:37.920 --> 0:43:40.120
<v Speaker 1>marshals who handle the full time thing. He just kind

0:43:40.160 --> 0:43:42.160
<v Speaker 1>of comes in when somebody like sends him a letter

0:43:42.239 --> 0:43:43.960
<v Speaker 1>being like, oh, hey, man, I think the war is

0:43:44.000 --> 0:43:46.080
<v Speaker 1>about to get cool again. Maybe you should come up

0:43:46.080 --> 0:43:48.000
<v Speaker 1>and check it out now, right, Yeah, Like.

0:43:48.440 --> 0:43:51.040
<v Speaker 3>That's fine, Yeah, I don't want to waste time the

0:43:51.080 --> 0:43:52.160
<v Speaker 3>boring parts of war.

0:43:52.600 --> 0:43:55.120
<v Speaker 1>For him, it's a little like a soap opera where like, yeah,

0:43:55.160 --> 0:43:57.759
<v Speaker 1>you don't watch every episode. There's long. Some of these

0:43:57.800 --> 0:44:01.000
<v Speaker 1>storylines aren't super interesting. We got like a year of

0:44:01.080 --> 0:44:03.640
<v Speaker 1>this siege to get through. Go party, you know. We

0:44:03.840 --> 0:44:08.040
<v Speaker 1>can't do that when looking bring me in when something

0:44:08.080 --> 0:44:12.040
<v Speaker 1>cool is going on, right, Yeah, So the process of

0:44:12.080 --> 0:44:15.359
<v Speaker 1>moving everybody in takes years because and this is such

0:44:15.440 --> 0:44:18.720
<v Speaker 1>a this is like the the pain in the ass

0:44:18.719 --> 0:44:22.080
<v Speaker 1>this creates for everyone while they're unable to live there

0:44:22.160 --> 0:44:24.680
<v Speaker 1>full time. But he's having people spend as much time

0:44:24.680 --> 0:44:27.560
<v Speaker 1>there as possible because every time Louis heads back to

0:44:27.719 --> 0:44:32.680
<v Speaker 1>Versailles for like a night, every government minister, every high

0:44:32.760 --> 0:44:35.920
<v Speaker 1>ranking noble, as well as like Loui's whole family and

0:44:35.960 --> 0:44:39.040
<v Speaker 1>his coterie of mistresses have to travel back with him.

0:44:39.320 --> 0:44:41.799
<v Speaker 1>It's like this massive pain in the ass, and there's

0:44:41.840 --> 0:44:45.040
<v Speaker 1>not rooms for most of them. So, like Louis got

0:44:45.080 --> 0:44:47.920
<v Speaker 1>even louis not living in comfort for most of this period.

0:44:48.000 --> 0:44:50.520
<v Speaker 1>His rooms aren't really finished, but everyone else is like

0:44:50.800 --> 0:44:53.120
<v Speaker 1>camping basically under like.

0:44:53.120 --> 0:44:56.360
<v Speaker 3>In this schiling and shit in this giant, beautiful palace

0:44:56.360 --> 0:44:58.360
<v Speaker 3>that should be luxurious.

0:44:58.000 --> 0:45:00.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah that should, but is just unfinished and filled with

0:45:00.640 --> 0:45:04.800
<v Speaker 1>dead people. Yeah that'll happen, Yeah, that'll happen.

0:45:04.960 --> 0:45:06.320
<v Speaker 3>Real estate is challenging.

0:45:06.640 --> 0:45:10.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, real estate is a real, real, complicated endeavor.

0:45:10.440 --> 0:45:11.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:45:11.400 --> 0:45:13.960
<v Speaker 1>Now, the fact that this is a huge pain in

0:45:14.000 --> 0:45:17.520
<v Speaker 1>the ass and that it kind of even before Versilla's finished,

0:45:17.560 --> 0:45:20.319
<v Speaker 1>it is dominating the lives of a huge chunk of

0:45:20.360 --> 0:45:23.040
<v Speaker 1>the nobility because they have to constantly be aware of

0:45:23.080 --> 0:45:25.560
<v Speaker 1>where Louis is when he's traveling back. They have to

0:45:25.560 --> 0:45:29.440
<v Speaker 1>get themselves back. They're like missing sleep because they're not

0:45:29.600 --> 0:45:33.400
<v Speaker 1>able to live. Like completely disrupts all of their lives,

0:45:33.920 --> 0:45:37.400
<v Speaker 1>and that's that's part of the plan. Like Louis the

0:45:37.440 --> 0:45:41.680
<v Speaker 1>fourteenth is doing this intentionally. I want to read a

0:45:41.719 --> 0:45:45.479
<v Speaker 1>quote from Mitford's book, quote, the king had already begun

0:45:45.600 --> 0:45:48.480
<v Speaker 1>to enslave his nobility by playing on the French love

0:45:48.480 --> 0:45:51.479
<v Speaker 1>of fashion. In sixteen fifty four, he gave a fate.

0:45:52.040 --> 0:45:55.439
<v Speaker 1>He gave a feat which lasted from seven to thirteen May.

0:45:55.760 --> 0:45:58.600
<v Speaker 1>This really caused more pain than pleasure, for the guests

0:45:58.680 --> 0:46:01.080
<v Speaker 1>had nowhere to sleep, and we're aledged to doss down

0:46:01.080 --> 0:46:05.480
<v Speaker 1>as best they could in local cottages and stables. So again,

0:46:05.680 --> 0:46:09.239
<v Speaker 1>he's like the fact that this is a pain in

0:46:09.280 --> 0:46:13.200
<v Speaker 1>the ass and the fact that he's increasingly forcing everyone.

0:46:13.400 --> 0:46:16.920
<v Speaker 1>You're not just constantly obsessed with where is the king?

0:46:17.000 --> 0:46:19.080
<v Speaker 1>When do I have to get back to Versailles? But

0:46:19.160 --> 0:46:22.759
<v Speaker 1>you also there's these parties whenever you're there, so you're

0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:25.160
<v Speaker 1>spending a lot of your free time making sure you've

0:46:25.160 --> 0:46:28.040
<v Speaker 1>got outfits and like spending a lot of your money.

0:46:28.040 --> 0:46:30.360
<v Speaker 1>What is it you got outfit? That's a party?

0:46:31.239 --> 0:46:34.680
<v Speaker 3>So like a six day long jolly, yeah, I.

0:46:34.600 --> 0:46:36.120
<v Speaker 1>Mean some of them are shorter than that, but like

0:46:36.160 --> 0:46:39.600
<v Speaker 1>it's a it's a mispace, yeah, And it's a mandatory

0:46:39.719 --> 0:46:42.480
<v Speaker 1>party that you have to have an outfit for. That

0:46:42.560 --> 0:46:45.920
<v Speaker 1>outfit is going to cost you thirty years salary for

0:46:46.000 --> 0:46:49.920
<v Speaker 1>a laboring person, right, And so you have to be

0:46:49.920 --> 0:46:54.879
<v Speaker 1>constantly like traveling, sleeping in uncomfortable conditions and spending your

0:46:54.920 --> 0:46:57.759
<v Speaker 1>time and money figuring out what you're going to wear,

0:46:58.080 --> 0:47:02.040
<v Speaker 1>which means you're not spending an any time thinking about rebelling, right,

0:47:02.400 --> 0:47:05.719
<v Speaker 1>you're not. You have no extra attention to spend on

0:47:06.239 --> 0:47:08.480
<v Speaker 1>building a base of power because you're going to and

0:47:09.600 --> 0:47:14.359
<v Speaker 1>what ye dress? Yes, exactly interesting and that's it. Because

0:47:14.400 --> 0:47:17.239
<v Speaker 1>Louis the fourteenth, his big motivation with Versailles is to

0:47:17.280 --> 0:47:21.480
<v Speaker 1>make another frond impossible. Hadley Mears writes the move was

0:47:21.520 --> 0:47:25.000
<v Speaker 1>designed to neutralize the power of the nobles. This it did,

0:47:25.120 --> 0:47:28.080
<v Speaker 1>but it also created a hotbed of boredom and extravagance,

0:47:28.280 --> 0:47:31.440
<v Speaker 1>with hundreds of aristocrats crammed together, many with nothing to

0:47:31.480 --> 0:47:34.000
<v Speaker 1>do but gossip, spend money, and play.

0:47:34.800 --> 0:47:37.680
<v Speaker 4>I was gonna say, the amount of like tea being

0:47:37.760 --> 0:47:40.440
<v Speaker 4>spilled at these events, oh yeah, to be.

0:47:40.520 --> 0:47:43.760
<v Speaker 3>Well, and then gossip being created in real.

0:47:43.600 --> 0:47:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Time and exactly that's going to be a major factor

0:47:47.880 --> 0:47:50.720
<v Speaker 1>in what happens next, right, and we'll be talking about

0:47:50.719 --> 0:47:54.279
<v Speaker 1>like what how this gossip eventually trickles out, and it does.

0:47:54.400 --> 0:47:58.400
<v Speaker 1>It kind of leads to the creation Paris basically has Twitter,

0:47:59.160 --> 0:47:59.640
<v Speaker 1>and this.

0:47:59.560 --> 0:48:01.640
<v Speaker 3>Period gonna say, I was gonna say, this is like

0:48:01.760 --> 0:48:02.800
<v Speaker 3>Perissian Twitter.

0:48:03.800 --> 0:48:07.280
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, that that's kind of where things are building towards.

0:48:07.360 --> 0:48:08.160
<v Speaker 3>Right, very good.

0:48:08.719 --> 0:48:11.680
<v Speaker 1>And it's also you know, people are gambling here constantly.

0:48:13.239 --> 0:48:17.040
<v Speaker 1>Fortunes are being won and lost. Uh you know, it's just.

0:48:17.480 --> 0:48:22.600
<v Speaker 3>Yes, but fringe like people gambling away everything. Everyone's everyone's tired,

0:48:23.040 --> 0:48:27.000
<v Speaker 3>everyone's exhausted and deranged, and people are like going broke

0:48:27.120 --> 0:48:29.160
<v Speaker 3>and need loans from the king, which makes them more

0:48:29.160 --> 0:48:33.920
<v Speaker 3>dependent on him. What's all this was intentional.

0:48:34.440 --> 0:48:37.800
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, this is part of the plane insane.

0:48:37.840 --> 0:48:38.839
<v Speaker 3>I love it, Louis the.

0:48:38.800 --> 0:48:42.040
<v Speaker 1>Four, but it's he's very intelligent in that, like he

0:48:42.160 --> 0:48:46.319
<v Speaker 1>never faces another threat to his rule, right, Like that

0:48:46.360 --> 0:48:51.800
<v Speaker 1>does not happen. Like he he locks the nobility down,

0:48:51.440 --> 0:48:56.040
<v Speaker 1>the yeah they're too busy situation he has. He has,

0:48:56.360 --> 0:48:59.960
<v Speaker 1>He is what VERSI is. He builds a totalitarian dictator

0:49:00.160 --> 0:49:03.480
<v Speaker 1>ship just for the ruling class, where they are forced

0:49:03.480 --> 0:49:06.800
<v Speaker 1>to party and gamble their whole lives andrew wk system.

0:49:07.320 --> 0:49:09.520
<v Speaker 3>Yes that.

0:49:09.680 --> 0:49:12.960
<v Speaker 1>Much has been written about the intricate and stifling rules

0:49:12.960 --> 0:49:15.719
<v Speaker 1>of etiquette that had to be practiced at Versailles. They

0:49:15.760 --> 0:49:19.840
<v Speaker 1>had their origins in you know, every medieval how every

0:49:19.960 --> 0:49:24.200
<v Speaker 1>royal house in all of Europe has these complicated etiquette

0:49:24.280 --> 0:49:26.880
<v Speaker 1>rules that they have to abide by. But they're not

0:49:27.080 --> 0:49:30.239
<v Speaker 1>all enforced the same way, right, and they're not they're

0:49:30.239 --> 0:49:32.600
<v Speaker 1>not all none of them are as intricate as they

0:49:32.680 --> 0:49:36.200
<v Speaker 1>become in Versailles. Because what you take these kind of

0:49:36.239 --> 0:49:40.680
<v Speaker 1>baseline rules about like oh, if you have you know, member,

0:49:41.080 --> 0:49:42.560
<v Speaker 1>this guy, this guy, this guy, and this guy in

0:49:42.560 --> 0:49:45.239
<v Speaker 1>a room, only this guy is allowed to hand the

0:49:45.320 --> 0:49:47.960
<v Speaker 1>king his shirt, right, but if that guy leaves, then

0:49:47.960 --> 0:49:50.040
<v Speaker 1>the next person is allowed to hand the king his shirt.

0:49:50.120 --> 0:49:51.960
<v Speaker 3>So you have to remember who who is allowed to

0:49:52.000 --> 0:49:54.960
<v Speaker 3>hand Yes, yes, you know the punishment for this.

0:49:55.760 --> 0:49:58.480
<v Speaker 1>It's not a punishment thing so much as it's a

0:49:58.600 --> 0:50:03.440
<v Speaker 1>violation of etiquette, and thus it is offensive to everybody,

0:50:03.480 --> 0:50:07.279
<v Speaker 1>and it causes like gossip, and it makes like the

0:50:08.040 --> 0:50:13.480
<v Speaker 1>instead of protecting their power to tax and rule the commoners,

0:50:13.880 --> 0:50:17.000
<v Speaker 1>the nobility are increasingly protecting their power to hand the

0:50:17.080 --> 0:50:18.080
<v Speaker 1>king his shirt.

0:50:17.880 --> 0:50:21.359
<v Speaker 3>In the morning. Fucking brilliant. It's I love it.

0:50:21.320 --> 0:50:26.760
<v Speaker 1>It's so still love it. Yes, so again, every royal house,

0:50:27.040 --> 0:50:29.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, all of the nobility in all of Europe

0:50:29.560 --> 0:50:33.080
<v Speaker 1>have some version of this. But it gets like ten

0:50:33.239 --> 0:50:36.560
<v Speaker 1>times as intense in Versailles because everyone is now living

0:50:36.640 --> 0:50:39.839
<v Speaker 1>under one very large roof, right, and this means that,

0:50:39.840 --> 0:50:42.319
<v Speaker 1>for one thing, nobles no longer have the same kind

0:50:42.360 --> 0:50:45.200
<v Speaker 1>of lives of their own outside of court, so there's

0:50:45.280 --> 0:50:49.120
<v Speaker 1>nothing going on in their lives but obsessing over perceived

0:50:49.200 --> 0:50:53.200
<v Speaker 1>slights and the intricacies of social dynamics, who's snubbing, who,

0:50:53.239 --> 0:50:55.719
<v Speaker 1>who is in the king's favor, et cetera. And it

0:50:55.760 --> 0:50:59.360
<v Speaker 1>also means the nobility traditionally and like a feudal society.

0:50:59.520 --> 0:51:02.879
<v Speaker 1>If you're the king and your nobles are your warriors, right,

0:51:02.960 --> 0:51:05.680
<v Speaker 1>that's like the core of the elite of your army,

0:51:05.920 --> 0:51:08.279
<v Speaker 1>in part because they have the time to train. The

0:51:08.320 --> 0:51:11.799
<v Speaker 1>nobility are no longer training to fight, right they are.

0:51:12.000 --> 0:51:15.480
<v Speaker 1>They are training and spending their whole youths in childhoods,

0:51:15.560 --> 0:51:19.200
<v Speaker 1>learning how to be the most effective member of what

0:51:19.280 --> 0:51:23.200
<v Speaker 1>is effectively a bickering high school clique. Right, Like this

0:51:23.440 --> 0:51:26.520
<v Speaker 1>is long as well, so it marinates. Yes, your whole

0:51:26.560 --> 0:51:28.799
<v Speaker 1>life is a high school and the king is the

0:51:28.800 --> 0:51:31.600
<v Speaker 1>coolest kid in the school, so everyone is constantly trying

0:51:31.600 --> 0:51:33.319
<v Speaker 1>to figure out how to make him like them, right,

0:51:34.000 --> 0:51:37.200
<v Speaker 1>instead of focusing on being good at war, you know,

0:51:37.239 --> 0:51:39.799
<v Speaker 1>which is a danger to you as the king when you.

0:51:39.680 --> 0:51:42.480
<v Speaker 3>Say the warriors. What does that mean though for the nobility?

0:51:42.800 --> 0:51:47.279
<v Speaker 1>Well, like traditionally in Europe the army, what knights are, right, Yeah,

0:51:47.320 --> 0:51:50.719
<v Speaker 1>I mean like the knight like knights are nobility and

0:51:50.800 --> 0:51:52.960
<v Speaker 1>they are like the core of your army in the

0:51:53.040 --> 0:51:54.960
<v Speaker 1>earlier medieval period, right.

0:51:54.800 --> 0:51:57.680
<v Speaker 3>Except then now we're bickering about who kind of yes,

0:51:58.000 --> 0:51:59.520
<v Speaker 3>who the shit yes?

0:51:59.600 --> 0:52:03.360
<v Speaker 1>And now instead of having like any real doing anything

0:52:03.400 --> 0:52:06.160
<v Speaker 1>else really, all that these guys are doing a lot

0:52:06.160 --> 0:52:08.240
<v Speaker 1>of these people are doing on a day to day basis.

0:52:08.360 --> 0:52:12.520
<v Speaker 1>Is obsessing over like the minutia of this, like basically

0:52:12.560 --> 0:52:13.719
<v Speaker 1>big high school. Right.

0:52:15.000 --> 0:52:15.480
<v Speaker 3>I love it.

0:52:15.960 --> 0:52:18.760
<v Speaker 1>So for the next decade after sixteen sixty two, construction

0:52:18.840 --> 0:52:22.240
<v Speaker 1>continues at a relentless pace, and as more gets built,

0:52:22.280 --> 0:52:24.960
<v Speaker 1>more and more nobles live full time at Versai. It

0:52:25.040 --> 0:52:28.400
<v Speaker 1>becomes the King's primary residence when he's not out engaging

0:52:28.440 --> 0:52:31.200
<v Speaker 1>in his favorite hobby, going to war with the Dutch.

0:52:32.120 --> 0:52:35.400
<v Speaker 1>The son King felt that Denmark was natural French territory,

0:52:35.440 --> 0:52:37.840
<v Speaker 1>and he very nearly managed to make this a reality,

0:52:38.200 --> 0:52:40.880
<v Speaker 1>but his capture of Amsterdam was thwarted when the Dutch

0:52:40.960 --> 0:52:44.080
<v Speaker 1>opened their dikes and flooded the Lowlands. So he does

0:52:44.160 --> 0:52:47.919
<v Speaker 1>get stymied in his dream of owning the Netherlands, which

0:52:47.960 --> 0:52:51.080
<v Speaker 1>is very sad for all of us. You know, I

0:52:51.120 --> 0:52:53.160
<v Speaker 1>would like to own the Netherlands one day. So I

0:52:53.160 --> 0:52:56.840
<v Speaker 1>can understand why this is big for Louis the fourteenth.

0:52:57.480 --> 0:53:00.359
<v Speaker 1>Back home, you know, he couldn't he couldn't make this work.

0:53:00.480 --> 0:53:04.040
<v Speaker 1>But back in Versailles he's able to exercise ultimate control

0:53:04.160 --> 0:53:07.319
<v Speaker 1>over nature. For example, the king decided he wanted a

0:53:07.400 --> 0:53:11.640
<v Speaker 1>forest around Versailles. And you know the problem with forests.

0:53:11.840 --> 0:53:14.319
<v Speaker 1>And you can plant a forest, anybody can plant a

0:53:14.360 --> 0:53:17.160
<v Speaker 1>forest if you got enough seeds, But trees take so

0:53:17.320 --> 0:53:18.440
<v Speaker 1>fucking long to grin.

0:53:18.960 --> 0:53:20.520
<v Speaker 3>I was just going to say, you go, bloody, wait

0:53:20.560 --> 0:53:21.160
<v Speaker 3>for the thing.

0:53:21.239 --> 0:53:24.759
<v Speaker 1>Huge pain in the ass, you know, huh. He's not

0:53:24.880 --> 0:53:26.880
<v Speaker 1>going to do that. So rather than wait for trees

0:53:26.920 --> 0:53:30.520
<v Speaker 1>to grow, he has thousands of adult trees dug up

0:53:30.600 --> 0:53:35.200
<v Speaker 1>from nearby forests and all take trees, take it from

0:53:35.239 --> 0:53:40.839
<v Speaker 1>somewhere else, and he plants them Midford rightes. Of those

0:53:40.840 --> 0:53:44.239
<v Speaker 1>which died, about half were immediately replaced. So basically they're

0:53:44.320 --> 0:53:48.480
<v Speaker 1>just planting, killed, digging up adult trees, planting them, waiting

0:53:48.520 --> 0:53:51.040
<v Speaker 1>for ones to die, and then replanting them until they

0:53:51.040 --> 0:53:52.480
<v Speaker 1>have a living forest.

0:53:52.920 --> 0:53:55.440
<v Speaker 3>And grabbing new trees to replace the Yes, trees that

0:53:55.440 --> 0:53:56.240
<v Speaker 3>you've already grabbed.

0:53:56.239 --> 0:54:01.880
<v Speaker 1>Wonderful cool, you've already murdered. Yes, speaking of killing trees,

0:54:02.600 --> 0:54:13.320
<v Speaker 1>you know who hates trees? Not our sponsors. We're back,

0:54:13.440 --> 0:54:17.200
<v Speaker 1>We're so back. We've never been more back. And we're

0:54:17.239 --> 0:54:20.840
<v Speaker 1>talking about the palace at Versailles, which has just murdered

0:54:20.880 --> 0:54:23.120
<v Speaker 1>thousands of trees. The the king can have a forest

0:54:25.160 --> 0:54:29.280
<v Speaker 1>so obviously for years the palace is dreadfully uncomfortable. Curtier

0:54:29.520 --> 0:54:32.880
<v Speaker 1>courtiers slept wherever they could before the various apartments were finished,

0:54:32.880 --> 0:54:35.719
<v Speaker 1>and the sun King was also usually like kind of

0:54:35.800 --> 0:54:39.440
<v Speaker 1>roughing it too behind his back. Nobles called the palace

0:54:39.560 --> 0:54:45.160
<v Speaker 1>a mistress without merit, as in like this is like

0:54:45.320 --> 0:54:49.759
<v Speaker 1>the king's lady, but like she sucks. You know, none

0:54:49.760 --> 0:54:52.480
<v Speaker 1>would dare say that to Lewis's face, to Louise face, though,

0:54:52.800 --> 0:54:55.040
<v Speaker 1>and the dream of the palace sustained him until the

0:54:55.080 --> 0:54:58.200
<v Speaker 1>first phase of construction was finished in like the sixteen seventies.

0:54:58.680 --> 0:55:02.279
<v Speaker 1>This gave way almost immediately to an expansion in remodeling,

0:55:03.000 --> 0:55:05.320
<v Speaker 1>but the palace was done enough that it starts attracting

0:55:05.360 --> 0:55:09.000
<v Speaker 1>foreign visitors with stories of its grandeur. One like anecdote

0:55:09.000 --> 0:55:13.239
<v Speaker 1>you'll hear at the time is that British people who

0:55:13.239 --> 0:55:15.319
<v Speaker 1>would like go and see the court at Versailles would

0:55:15.320 --> 0:55:17.480
<v Speaker 1>be like, oh, man, our king lives in a fucking slum.

0:55:17.640 --> 0:55:21.160
<v Speaker 1>Basically right, like it is in short order the most

0:55:21.239 --> 0:55:24.400
<v Speaker 1>famous capitol building in Europe, and it actually, like every

0:55:24.560 --> 0:55:29.000
<v Speaker 1>palace after this point is influenced by Versailles. It becomes

0:55:29.000 --> 0:55:31.880
<v Speaker 1>like a destination for the other crowned heads and nobles

0:55:31.880 --> 0:55:34.920
<v Speaker 1>of the continent. And so it actually does. It is

0:55:34.960 --> 0:55:38.520
<v Speaker 1>a hideous expense while they are building it. It consumes

0:55:38.640 --> 0:55:46.560
<v Speaker 1>half of France's GDP. What yes, it is an outrageous expense,

0:55:46.840 --> 0:55:52.560
<v Speaker 1>wonderfully like, it is almost an incomprehensible expense. And this

0:55:52.719 --> 0:55:56.920
<v Speaker 1>enormous expense necessitated economic changes which were brought about in

0:55:56.920 --> 0:56:00.359
<v Speaker 1>part by the further centralization and modernization of the friend state.

0:56:00.840 --> 0:56:03.560
<v Speaker 1>Part of obviously, Versailles in and of itself is a

0:56:03.640 --> 0:56:06.880
<v Speaker 1>central is centralizing the state in a way that makes

0:56:06.880 --> 0:56:11.120
<v Speaker 1>it more modern. But also they have to modernize and

0:56:11.120 --> 0:56:16.800
<v Speaker 1>centralize the economy more in order to afford Versailles. Louis's

0:56:16.800 --> 0:56:19.680
<v Speaker 1>economic minister was a guy named Colbert, who had taught

0:56:19.680 --> 0:56:21.960
<v Speaker 1>the son king math when he was a child. And

0:56:22.200 --> 0:56:25.600
<v Speaker 1>Colbert hated Versailles. He thinks it's a stupid idea. But

0:56:25.640 --> 0:56:29.120
<v Speaker 1>he's also really good with the money, and he's probably

0:56:29.200 --> 0:56:31.600
<v Speaker 1>the only person who could have made the whole project

0:56:31.680 --> 0:56:36.320
<v Speaker 1>economically viable, and for a while he does. As Mitford writes, quote,

0:56:36.640 --> 0:56:38.840
<v Speaker 1>the prestige of Louis the fourteenth and the fame of

0:56:38.960 --> 0:56:42.360
<v Speaker 1>Versailles mounted year by year. Other European princes and magnates

0:56:42.360 --> 0:56:44.480
<v Speaker 1>wanted a Versailles of their own, down to the smallest

0:56:44.480 --> 0:56:47.879
<v Speaker 1>details of its furnishings. Colbert exploited this fashion to help

0:56:47.880 --> 0:56:51.279
<v Speaker 1>his exports. He erected a rigid customs barrier. Nothing was

0:56:51.320 --> 0:56:53.720
<v Speaker 1>allowed to be imported that could be made in France.

0:56:54.120 --> 0:56:58.040
<v Speaker 1>Factories were set up to supply the linen lace, silk glass, carpets, jewelry,

0:56:58.120 --> 0:57:00.719
<v Speaker 1>inlaid furniture, and other articles of loveury that used to

0:57:00.800 --> 0:57:03.919
<v Speaker 1>come from foreign lands. The finest examples of their work

0:57:03.960 --> 0:57:06.480
<v Speaker 1>went to Versailles and were shown to the foreign visitors

0:57:06.480 --> 0:57:09.759
<v Speaker 1>who flocked there. The chateau became a shop window, a

0:57:09.800 --> 0:57:12.080
<v Speaker 1>permanent exhibition of French goods.

0:57:14.320 --> 0:57:18.000
<v Speaker 3>So the economy literally centralized around a half yes, yes,

0:57:18.040 --> 0:57:20.480
<v Speaker 3>and it becomes a massive part of the French economy,

0:57:21.440 --> 0:57:24.320
<v Speaker 3>both in that like like.

0:57:24.520 --> 0:57:27.720
<v Speaker 1>This is where we use this as a showcase for

0:57:27.760 --> 0:57:31.440
<v Speaker 1>the different things like French artisans can make. And because

0:57:31.480 --> 0:57:33.880
<v Speaker 1>all of the crowdheads come here, they're blown over by

0:57:33.880 --> 0:57:36.480
<v Speaker 1>the palace and they're like, well, I need those kind

0:57:36.520 --> 0:57:39.560
<v Speaker 1>of tables, right, I need those chairs right, and only

0:57:39.680 --> 0:57:42.120
<v Speaker 1>French artisans. This is part of why France gets its

0:57:42.120 --> 0:57:46.320
<v Speaker 1>reputation is having the best artisans in Europe, right is Versailles,

0:57:46.840 --> 0:57:52.480
<v Speaker 1>and so luxury goods become an increasingly massive part of

0:57:52.520 --> 0:57:56.440
<v Speaker 1>the French economy, and Versailles is where they're shown off,

0:57:56.520 --> 0:57:58.919
<v Speaker 1>and so it is like a cees for like rich

0:57:58.960 --> 0:58:02.360
<v Speaker 1>people furnishings, you know, like that is a big factor

0:58:02.480 --> 0:58:06.200
<v Speaker 1>and like what Versay becomes and its role in the

0:58:06.240 --> 0:58:09.160
<v Speaker 1>economy now, but also is central to the economy because

0:58:09.160 --> 0:58:11.400
<v Speaker 1>of the sheer again, thirty six thousand workers at the

0:58:11.440 --> 0:58:14.520
<v Speaker 1>height of this project. That's a massive deal for a

0:58:14.600 --> 0:58:18.160
<v Speaker 1>country that is like France's in this period of time.

0:58:18.680 --> 0:58:21.840
<v Speaker 1>And Colbert saw the sheer number of workmen the project

0:58:22.000 --> 0:58:25.080
<v Speaker 1>consumed as more than the state could bear given its

0:58:25.120 --> 0:58:27.360
<v Speaker 1>current birth rate. Right, Like he comes to the Ministry

0:58:27.360 --> 0:58:29.040
<v Speaker 1>of the Economy, comes to the conclusion that we are

0:58:29.080 --> 0:58:34.320
<v Speaker 1>not breeding enough men to continue building Versailles, and so

0:58:34.440 --> 0:58:40.520
<v Speaker 1>the institution national breeding program to ensure sufficient labor for

0:58:40.640 --> 0:58:44.560
<v Speaker 1>a house for the king's big fancy party house.

0:58:46.480 --> 0:58:49.640
<v Speaker 3>This is so awful but also so cool. It's just

0:58:49.680 --> 0:58:53.760
<v Speaker 3>like half the economy. Yeah, like all of the we

0:58:53.840 --> 0:58:57.440
<v Speaker 3>have an entire thing of like housing furnishings. Yeah, look

0:58:57.480 --> 0:58:59.600
<v Speaker 3>at multiple industries.

0:58:59.560 --> 0:59:02.800
<v Speaker 1>It's and obviously like evil. It is also like Louis

0:59:02.800 --> 0:59:05.120
<v Speaker 1>the fourteenth is kind of the most king that a

0:59:05.200 --> 0:59:07.440
<v Speaker 1>king has ever been, Like this really.

0:59:07.200 --> 0:59:13.040
<v Speaker 3>Is king it. Yeah, if you're gonna be a king, economy,

0:59:13.920 --> 0:59:16.800
<v Speaker 3>create multiple industries, make everything built in one country to

0:59:16.880 --> 0:59:19.920
<v Speaker 3>make your house cool, to make your house cool, and

0:59:20.000 --> 0:59:23.200
<v Speaker 3>then create a bunch of bizarre social rules inside it

0:59:23.320 --> 0:59:24.880
<v Speaker 3>so that everyone's freaked out.

0:59:25.200 --> 0:59:28.640
<v Speaker 1>Just like, yeah, it's it's so. It's so like there

0:59:28.640 --> 0:59:32.480
<v Speaker 1>are between once versa gets up and running permanently between

0:59:32.680 --> 0:59:35.200
<v Speaker 1>like three thousand people is kind of like the normal

0:59:35.280 --> 0:59:38.720
<v Speaker 1>level of inhabitants and up to ten thousand at times,

0:59:38.800 --> 0:59:41.640
<v Speaker 1>right when like the party seasons at full swims people

0:59:41.680 --> 0:59:47.120
<v Speaker 1>in that Yes, yes, it's it is massive. Now this

0:59:47.360 --> 0:59:51.080
<v Speaker 1>Colbert institutes this breeding program. He exempts families with more

0:59:51.120 --> 0:59:56.240
<v Speaker 1>than ten kids from taxes. He also raises age. That's nice.

0:59:56.480 --> 0:59:58.840
<v Speaker 1>He also raises the age at which men and women

0:59:58.920 --> 1:00:01.160
<v Speaker 1>are allowed to join the cat the church's priests and

1:00:01.240 --> 1:00:04.600
<v Speaker 1>nuns because he's worried that like because they're not breeding obviously,

1:00:05.040 --> 1:00:10.520
<v Speaker 1>And he forbids working men from emigrating from leaving the country. Yes,

1:00:11.120 --> 1:00:14.840
<v Speaker 1>now we can come to my house, build everyone to

1:00:14.880 --> 1:00:15.840
<v Speaker 1>come to my house.

1:00:16.440 --> 1:00:19.320
<v Speaker 3>I need Colbert extra child, bring your boys to my house,

1:00:19.320 --> 1:00:20.120
<v Speaker 3>to build my house.

1:00:20.480 --> 1:00:23.080
<v Speaker 1>And for Colbert it's more like, I hate this house.

1:00:23.160 --> 1:00:25.680
<v Speaker 1>It's stupid. It's dumb that the king is doing this.

1:00:25.840 --> 1:00:28.600
<v Speaker 1>But the whole country will collapse if we don't keep

1:00:28.640 --> 1:00:29.560
<v Speaker 1>this house going.

1:00:30.040 --> 1:00:32.920
<v Speaker 3>I didn't tea so that you could build a house

1:00:33.000 --> 1:00:33.320
<v Speaker 3>like this.

1:00:35.880 --> 1:00:38.120
<v Speaker 1>Now it is hard for me to read stuff like

1:00:38.120 --> 1:00:41.240
<v Speaker 1>this and not think about like Elon Musk and Palmer

1:00:41.320 --> 1:00:44.560
<v Speaker 1>Lucky's obsession with birthrates, right, and they forget it's like

1:00:44.840 --> 1:00:47.320
<v Speaker 1>a fairness thing. Oh, if you're not having two point

1:00:47.320 --> 1:00:49.640
<v Speaker 1>one kids, you expect someone else's child to take care

1:00:49.640 --> 1:00:52.520
<v Speaker 1>of you when you're old. But the reality is closer

1:00:52.560 --> 1:00:55.280
<v Speaker 1>to what Colbert and Louis wanted, right. They also just

1:00:55.320 --> 1:00:58.040
<v Speaker 1>want warm bodies to feed into the ravenous maw of

1:00:58.080 --> 1:01:01.640
<v Speaker 1>their narcissistic death projects. They just not aren't as open

1:01:01.680 --> 1:01:03.760
<v Speaker 1>about it or as good at it like they just

1:01:03.960 --> 1:01:05.600
<v Speaker 1>and they'll never have louis the fact.

1:01:05.600 --> 1:01:07.600
<v Speaker 3>And I think that is the thing with Elon Musk

1:01:07.720 --> 1:01:10.760
<v Speaker 3>and all of these other damp fellows. They don't have

1:01:10.800 --> 1:01:14.360
<v Speaker 3>the killer instinct of like a like like an old

1:01:14.440 --> 1:01:17.320
<v Speaker 3>school French atrocity merchant.

1:01:17.320 --> 1:01:21.720
<v Speaker 1>Yes, because they didn't. He literally fought and like warrid

1:01:21.880 --> 1:01:25.320
<v Speaker 1>his way, like his whole childhood is like wars and

1:01:25.400 --> 1:01:26.920
<v Speaker 1>conniving right, like.

1:01:28.800 --> 1:01:32.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, no, no, it's just Musk is like trying

1:01:32.360 --> 1:01:34.360
<v Speaker 3>to like counch every look, oh, I'm doing this for

1:01:34.400 --> 1:01:37.320
<v Speaker 3>the better than in humanity. Louis just like we need

1:01:37.360 --> 1:01:40.919
<v Speaker 3>more fucking children to build by party house. Go go go, yeah, yeah,

1:01:41.320 --> 1:01:43.720
<v Speaker 3>well go what are you fucking kidding? They don't make

1:01:43.800 --> 1:01:45.959
<v Speaker 3>chairs here. Fuck you. You can't leave the country until

1:01:45.960 --> 1:01:46.880
<v Speaker 3>you fuck more.

1:01:49.640 --> 1:01:52.920
<v Speaker 1>So, the years in which Versailla's constructed and debuted to

1:01:52.960 --> 1:01:55.520
<v Speaker 1>the world are good ones for the French economy, which

1:01:55.640 --> 1:01:59.360
<v Speaker 1>doubles in revenue between sixteen sixty one and sixteen seventy one. Again,

1:02:00.040 --> 1:02:04.360
<v Speaker 1>Bear is good at this. This does work. However, the

1:02:04.440 --> 1:02:07.640
<v Speaker 1>wealth coming as a result of Versailles is largely due

1:02:07.680 --> 1:02:10.400
<v Speaker 1>to an explosion. Again and like luxury goods and work

1:02:10.440 --> 1:02:15.680
<v Speaker 1>for skilled craftsmen, and so while there's on paper the

1:02:16.240 --> 1:02:19.520
<v Speaker 1>economy is doing better, a huge group of the country

1:02:19.560 --> 1:02:22.400
<v Speaker 1>is doing much worse, which is the peasantry. Right, The

1:02:22.480 --> 1:02:26.880
<v Speaker 1>people who make their living growing food suffer, suffer tremendously.

1:02:26.960 --> 1:02:30.440
<v Speaker 1>While this economic miracle is going on again. This is

1:02:30.480 --> 1:02:34.200
<v Speaker 1>not similar to anything that's happened. Yeah, you know, not

1:02:34.280 --> 1:02:36.040
<v Speaker 1>that it's the people growing food with us, but it

1:02:36.120 --> 1:02:38.960
<v Speaker 1>is like, you know, the economy is great on paper

1:02:38.960 --> 1:02:41.080
<v Speaker 1>for all these corporations, while a huge chunk of the

1:02:41.120 --> 1:02:44.200
<v Speaker 1>working class is suffering. Right, it is kind of you

1:02:44.440 --> 1:02:46.880
<v Speaker 1>can see it as similar to that where well, yeah,

1:02:46.920 --> 1:02:49.320
<v Speaker 1>like the people who are making shit for Versaiah doing well,

1:02:49.360 --> 1:02:54.600
<v Speaker 1>but like the peasant farmers are like in a disastrous state.

1:02:55.000 --> 1:02:56.920
<v Speaker 1>And Colbert's fine with this. He does not give a

1:02:56.920 --> 1:02:59.240
<v Speaker 1>shit about these people suffering, and neither it is Louis.

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<v Speaker 1>They are concerned with the continued expansion of this pleasure

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<v Speaker 1>palace and the attendant growth of the French military and navy.

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<v Speaker 1>And those are the only priss not.

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<v Speaker 3>Built fully yet or are they just building more of it.

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<v Speaker 1>They're constantly building more of it and renovating it. And

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<v Speaker 1>the only projects that are allowed to compete with Versy

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<v Speaker 1>for manpower are the military and the navy. As Mitford writes, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>he Colbert did little or nothing to help the French

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<v Speaker 1>peasants through a period of agricultural depression. Indeed, low farm

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<v Speaker 1>prices suited his policy of cheap exports. The gap between

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<v Speaker 1>the peasantry and the rest of the population first became

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<v Speaker 1>serious under Colbert. It was not bridged, as in England

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<v Speaker 1>by country gentlemen. He encouraged the slave trade, and although

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<v Speaker 1>he did insist on certain humanitarian measures, this was the

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<v Speaker 1>only way to keep down the death rate of such

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<v Speaker 1>valuable cattle. Worst of all, he increased the number of

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<v Speaker 1>galleys in the French Navy from six to forty, each

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<v Speaker 1>containing two hundred unhappy souls. Since black people were useless

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<v Speaker 1>for manning them, they had no stamina and diet at once.

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<v Speaker 1>He employed This was a book written a lot longer ago.

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<v Speaker 1>He employed French criminals and Turks caught in the Barbary Wars.

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<v Speaker 1>When the Turks were worn out, they were sold in

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<v Speaker 1>America for what they would fetch. Young, solid frenchmen accused

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<v Speaker 1>of capital offenses were often sent to the galleys for

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<v Speaker 1>life instead of being executed. Minor criminals, if they were

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<v Speaker 1>able bodied, were never released at the end of their sentences.

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<v Speaker 1>They could only be freed if their relations could afford

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<v Speaker 1>to buy a turk to replace them. Colbert thought that

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<v Speaker 1>too many of his galley slaves died. The intendent of

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<v Speaker 1>the galley swore they were well fed, but said they

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<v Speaker 1>died of grief and boredom. So this is just a

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<v Speaker 1>night It's really to emphasize this is a nightmare state, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>while they're killing all these laborers in the palace, the

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<v Speaker 1>whole navy is. We tried using slaves, but they all

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<v Speaker 1>died immediately, so we brought in instead. We brought in

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<v Speaker 1>turks that were basically slaves and like captive prisoners, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you can buy your way out, which you

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<v Speaker 1>got to find us another turk, you know, just like.

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<v Speaker 3>This is like a side took economy and all if

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<v Speaker 3>this again is to pretty much make sure a big

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<v Speaker 3>house is built.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, well, and this is this is for the navy,

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<v Speaker 1>but the navy is there to protect your ability to

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<v Speaker 1>continue building the big house, right, you need a strong

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<v Speaker 1>navy and military so no one can stop you from

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<v Speaker 1>having this huge of course. Oh god, yeah, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind it's it's a nightmare. Uh. It is important to

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<v Speaker 1>really emphasize the degree to which Versailles was, from the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning a marvel of architecture and art and culture, as

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<v Speaker 1>well as a yawning pit into which human lives were

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<v Speaker 1>poured in order to build and maintain. That said, the

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<v Speaker 1>plan works. The nobles don't trouble him or any other

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<v Speaker 1>French king in his line with thoughts of thoughts of revolution. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>beyond that, versy becomes the envy of every other king

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<v Speaker 1>and emperor. It was, in one writer's words, the cultural

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<v Speaker 1>heartbeat of Europe when people on the continent referred to

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<v Speaker 1>the king. Like if people in other European states just

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<v Speaker 1>refer generally to the king, it's often understood that they're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about Louis the fourteenth because he is so powerful

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<v Speaker 1>in his centralization of power, he becomes one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most absolute monarchs the world has ever seen. One illustrative

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<v Speaker 1>anecdote is a rhyme the son King himself composed the

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<v Speaker 1>tat sestemois the state that's me Wow. Lyrical genius, lyrical, genius, boss,

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<v Speaker 1>It's so funny. No ego has ever been more fevered.

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<v Speaker 1>A whole language of etiquette and pomp is created and

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<v Speaker 1>developed around earning and keeping the king's power. For one, So,

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<v Speaker 1>for an example of this, he hates the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>people go to the bathroom right. He can't stand this.

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<v Speaker 1>He considers it a weakness. And if you well toilet,

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<v Speaker 1>if you are, if you are, if you are traveling

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<v Speaker 1>with this guy or hanging out with him and you

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<v Speaker 1>need to stop to pee, if you like asked to

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<v Speaker 1>be excused to go to the bathroom, you're instantly exiled

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<v Speaker 1>from the cool kids crowd.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like trying to give everybody a ut I he.

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<v Speaker 1>Loves U t I s The man can't get enough

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<v Speaker 1>ut I s.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>He just does whatever he wants. He's he's the king,

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<v Speaker 1>he can do anything. Range so his his his like

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<v Speaker 1>closest friends find themselves avoiding water or getting really good

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<v Speaker 1>at holding it, or they have to sneak away to relieve.

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<v Speaker 3>Themselves right outside to look around something.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, I gotta go fuck my mistress. Now, servants some

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<v Speaker 1>nobles have their own apartments with chamber pots, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>so their servants will barter and sell bathroom access to

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<v Speaker 1>people who need to go to the bathroom, who are

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<v Speaker 1>like running away.

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<v Speaker 5>For you've got to give me a second somewhere, right,

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<v Speaker 5>So trained because of this, there are rumors which will

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<v Speaker 5>really get crazy and later among later kings, and these

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<v Speaker 5>will spread heavily among people in Paris, and it's fanned

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<v Speaker 5>a lot by like newspapers and tracts that are printed

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<v Speaker 5>in Denmark because there's no press freedom in France.

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<v Speaker 1>So the newspapers that people are reading in Paris that

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<v Speaker 1>have all of the gossip are usually printed in Denmark

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<v Speaker 1>and then brought into Paris smuggled in the Paris they'll

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<v Speaker 1>be sold and like the property owned by nobles who

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<v Speaker 1>are like the idea of these papers being around for

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<v Speaker 1>their own personal benefit and can.

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<v Speaker 3>Keep the police away.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's how a lot of this. We'll talk more

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<v Speaker 1>about that later. But you know, one of the rumors

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<v Speaker 1>that starts to spread because of how weird Louis is

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<v Speaker 1>about people going to the bathroom is that members of

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<v Speaker 1>the nobility are just pissing in the hallways and corners

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<v Speaker 1>of the palace and that all of Versailles is one big,

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<v Speaker 1>expensive bathroom, right, Like everyone's just pissing and shitting everywhere. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a rumor that's widely believed in Paris. This

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<v Speaker 1>is an exaggeration. Mitford says, it's just outright untrue. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>because of how many bathrooms there are in Versailles, this

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<v Speaker 1>just wouldn't happen. I don't think Mitford's got it right either,

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<v Speaker 1>because here's the thing. It's certainly not true that it's

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<v Speaker 1>the norm for people to piss and shit wherever they're standing.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is a house filled with thousands of drunk

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<v Speaker 1>people partying all of the times.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so did yous sally went to the toilet, so

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<v Speaker 3>jeremy pissing.

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<v Speaker 1>So one of the things that is a factor. In Versailles.

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<v Speaker 1>Every room, basically every major room has orange trees in it,

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<v Speaker 1>like in other plants. People are definitely pissing in those pots.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you're not gonna tell me people they are still alive,

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<v Speaker 1>y right, And people are for sure puking in random spots, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because again, it's a big frat house to some degree, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So there's some amount of this that has to obviously

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<v Speaker 1>the degree to which they talk about this being a

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<v Speaker 1>thing in Perry, this is a massive exaggeration, but it

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<v Speaker 1>definitely happens, you know, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Especially if you have to surreptitiously piss.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you've got to hide that, you're like.

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<v Speaker 3>Just like justin Lippens, Yeah, you just.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, hygiene was not as bad back then as

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<v Speaker 1>people often assume among the nobility. But like people didn't

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<v Speaker 1>bathe daily. They're generally cloaked in perfume, and between that,

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<v Speaker 1>the pallas is constantly filled with smoke because of all

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<v Speaker 1>of the candles and fireplaces. So the smell of this

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<v Speaker 1>place would have been fascinating at time. Yes, right, let's

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<v Speaker 1>put it that way. It's crazy. Not necessarily bad always,

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<v Speaker 1>but crazy, yeah, like unfathomable to our modern noses. So

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<v Speaker 1>Louis the fourteenth one of the whole world of her

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<v Speaker 1>side revolve around him, and it did, which meant one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most important questions for anyone to ask on

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<v Speaker 1>a daily basis was who is the king fucking?

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<v Speaker 3>And the king is.

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<v Speaker 1>A notoriously horny guy. He is horny by the standards

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<v Speaker 1>of French kings, right well, and that's hard, like French

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<v Speaker 1>kings almost invented modern sex. Like and he is he

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<v Speaker 1>is the fuckingest of the kings of France.

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<v Speaker 3>Nice. One of his first mistresses.

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<v Speaker 1>Was uh uh Louis de la Vallier, that Luis de

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<v Speaker 1>la Valerie, right, who eventually reached a sort of and

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<v Speaker 1>like there's a huge conflict between her and his his wife,

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<v Speaker 1>the Queen, and one of his other mistresses, and they

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<v Speaker 1>eventually like all sit down and talk about it in

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<v Speaker 1>a way that feels like weirdly modern and like become

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<v Speaker 1>cool with each other.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, like that actually happens here, and like they're

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<v Speaker 1>actually kind of chill for a while about it. Progressive

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<v Speaker 1>modern the first Yeah, I mean it is adultery is

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<v Speaker 1>so normal in the sun King's Palace that it is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like that, right, Like the king's mistress is

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<v Speaker 1>a specific named position at court and one that held

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<v Speaker 1>quite a bit of influence. Right, Wow, this is insane house.

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<v Speaker 3>The lady who is just the king. The mistress is

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<v Speaker 3>like a title. You have a business.

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<v Speaker 1>The mistress is a title and that people like gossip,

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<v Speaker 1>like the way that we're gossiping about, like who's going

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<v Speaker 1>to lead the FBI or whatever. People are gossip about like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think the king might fuck this lady next, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, who knows what that'll change. And it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>one of those things where he has his official mistress.

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<v Speaker 1>That is not to say that he limits himself to

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<v Speaker 1>one mistress. As Johnny Wilkes writes, quote, it said that

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<v Speaker 1>one day he grew so impatient waiting for a lover

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<v Speaker 1>to undress that he turned his attention to one of

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<v Speaker 1>the maids. Because again he's the king. You know, he's

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<v Speaker 1>just fucking whoever he wants. He needs the fuck then

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<v Speaker 1>and he needs to fuck then.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, because the king has the power to he one

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<v Speaker 1>of the ways in which he'll show favor to a

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<v Speaker 1>lady he fucks, or to just like a dude he has,

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<v Speaker 1>like a party, he gets along with a guy one night,

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<v Speaker 1>they have a good drunk talk or whatever. He hands

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<v Speaker 1>out these gifts, right, and these gifts are not like

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes he can hand out just money, but usually the

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<v Speaker 1>gift is like a pension or the right to tax

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<v Speaker 1>a specific area, or like you get a cut of

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<v Speaker 1>the fish that are sold in this province, right, people, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I got fucked up with Louis and now I get

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<v Speaker 1>two percent of all of the French the fish sold

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<v Speaker 1>in Normandy, right, Like that's just what I That's what

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<v Speaker 1>I have forever now. So there's a lot of there's

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<v Speaker 1>a ton of money, and like being a woman who

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<v Speaker 1>he likes and there's a ton of money, and just

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<v Speaker 1>like being a dude that he's friends with, and so

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<v Speaker 1>a ah, because of how much money there is in

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<v Speaker 1>this and how important it is to be in the

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<v Speaker 1>king's favor. An entire shadow economy springs up, among providing amulets, charms,

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<v Speaker 1>and magical spells to curry the king's favor, and even

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<v Speaker 1>poisons to use on rivals for his affections. This is

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<v Speaker 1>all whole industry in France is like witchcraft to impress

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<v Speaker 1>the king. Fuck, yeah, yeah, it's pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 3>That's so great.

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<v Speaker 1>Nancy Mitford writes about one such purfrayor of Magic's Madame

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<v Speaker 1>Voissin and Madame Boissin, was approached by a lady at

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<v Speaker 1>court vying with Luis de la Valerie for the son

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<v Speaker 1>King's attention. Right, so you know, Valerie is his mistress,

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<v Speaker 1>and this new lady wants to become the next mistress.

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<v Speaker 1>Her name is Madame de Montespan, and she wants to

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<v Speaker 1>take over for Valerie, and you know she thinks that

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<v Speaker 1>magic's the best way to do that. So she, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>this Madame bossin lady, and I'm going to quote from

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<v Speaker 1>the book The Sun King here, she gave excellent advice

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<v Speaker 1>to her clients and did what she could to help them,

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<v Speaker 1>catering for little feminine desires such as larger breasts and

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<v Speaker 1>smaller mouths. White hands and luck at cards when unwanted

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<v Speaker 1>babies were on the way. She was very understanding. This

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<v Speaker 1>means she provides a bort to fasciants, right if wishes concerned.

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<v Speaker 1>In an inheritance, there were certain powders for unrequited love,

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<v Speaker 1>various forms of magic. No doubt, she began advising Madame

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<v Speaker 1>de Montespan by talking over the situation and who long

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<v Speaker 1>need to be loved can have enough of such talks

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<v Speaker 1>and such advice. But nothing happened. The king remained indifferent. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So she tries some of these like magics and spells,

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<v Speaker 1>and the king doesn't want a fuck her yet, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's decided that they should move on to like the

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<v Speaker 1>hardcore spells, which means bringing in the devil. Right, if

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<v Speaker 1>you want to do the powerful magic, you're that you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to have to talk.

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<v Speaker 3>To the devil. No consideration that the magic didn't work.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just that you didn't use effective enough magic. You

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<v Speaker 3>didn't ever another the devil of course, right, Yeah. The

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<v Speaker 3>nobility believes that no magic spell can be truly effect

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<v Speaker 3>efficacious unless Satan is involved, and this leads to a

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<v Speaker 3>separate cottage industry, one where you've got priests who want

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<v Speaker 3>extra money, and so these these Catholic priests will conduct

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<v Speaker 3>underground Satanic rites in order to like do magic.

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<v Speaker 1>For these people. Yeah, this is a terrible house. This

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<v Speaker 1>house has its underground black magic economy now and obviously

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<v Speaker 1>other like in Paris, there's other parts of France where

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of underground trade exists, but it largely comes

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<v Speaker 1>to focus around these people in Versailles, koreeing for favor

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<v Speaker 1>right now. Again, Nancy Midford is from a different generation,

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<v Speaker 1>and she writes about all this magic more seriously as if,

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<v Speaker 1>like as if these priests and these witches believe literally

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<v Speaker 1>literally in everything that they're doing. My suspicion is that

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of these service providers are like con men

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<v Speaker 1>and women, right They know these black masses aren't really

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<v Speaker 1>magic spells or whatever. They just also understand that if

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<v Speaker 1>they can create this space of altered reality for their wealthy,

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<v Speaker 1>out of touch clientele who live in a permanent party

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<v Speaker 1>and don't understand the real world, then they can get

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of money out of them, right right. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it really is much more cynical. For I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>there's some people who really believe that they're.

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<v Speaker 3>Talking to just that these people didn't have a connection

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<v Speaker 3>to the devil, like yes, yes, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Unreasonable, but I you know they they know the nobility

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<v Speaker 1>believes that. That's my interprets.

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<v Speaker 3>And these people like sleep deprived, they think they living

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<v Speaker 3>in the house, like they live in their minds, well

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<v Speaker 3>already in a altered reality because they're living in this world. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>like you can't pass or share, yes, you can't have

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<v Speaker 3>like the wrong person can't hand the show. Of course

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<v Speaker 3>they're open to magic. The lords don't exist.

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<v Speaker 1>You've gotten it exactly right, which is that Versailles is

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<v Speaker 1>a cult. And when once you get people into a cult,

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<v Speaker 1>you you have altered their brain chemist in a way

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<v Speaker 1>that makes them much more vulnerable to anyone selling this

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<v Speaker 1>kind of bullshit. Right, and that's why this magic trade

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<v Speaker 1>really perks up. And I'm going to read another quote

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<v Speaker 1>from the Sun King. Madame Vossin knew a priest who

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<v Speaker 1>was willing to help. He read the Gospel over Madame

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<v Speaker 1>de Montespan's head. There was some nonsense with pigeon's hearts

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<v Speaker 1>under a consecrated chalice, and she prayed, please let the

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<v Speaker 1>king love me. Let Monseigneur le Dauphine that's the King's

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<v Speaker 1>son and heir. Be my friend and made this love

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<v Speaker 1>and this friendship last. Please make the queen sterile, Let

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<v Speaker 1>the King leave La Valerie and never look at her again.

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<v Speaker 1>Let the Queen be repudiated, and the king marry me.

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<v Speaker 1>It was all rather harmless and undeniably successful. The King

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to become aware of her for the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>He went off to besiege Lilas in June of sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty seven, taking her in the capacity of lady and

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<v Speaker 1>waiting to the Queen. Luis de Valerie was not invited.

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<v Speaker 1>In despair, she followed the royal party and caught up

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<v Speaker 1>with it as the camp was being pitched. When she

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<v Speaker 1>came face to face with the king, he put on

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<v Speaker 1>a terrifying matter and said, Madame, I don't like having

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<v Speaker 1>my hand forced. She had to go away, deeply humiliated.

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<v Speaker 1>During this campaign, Madame de Montespin became his mistress. Her

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<v Speaker 1>sacrilegious prayers seemed well on the way to being answered.

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<v Speaker 1>The King loved her now, m so it worked, you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's good.

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<v Speaker 3>This whole system works.

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<v Speaker 1>This whole system works great now. Unfortunately, all of this,

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<v Speaker 1>this whole industry of like devil Spells is going to

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<v Speaker 1>become a problem in part two, but we're gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>talking about that on Thursday. Ed you want to plug

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