Speaker 1: I be. Are you as excited as I am for
Speaker 1: this week's episode? Wait? Beat, why are you hiding behind
Speaker 1: that huge potted plant? Elliott, I'm unobtrusively observing you. Well,
Speaker 1: I can see you and I can hear you. Please
Speaker 1: come do the show with me out here in the room,
Speaker 1: not behind a plant. Hey, I'm doing the show. I'm
Speaker 1: getting into the headspace of our famous figures animal behaviorist
Speaker 1: Jane Goodall and pop artist Andy Warhol. They both had
Speaker 1: a knap for observing the world around them and seeing
Speaker 1: it in a new way. That's four for what what
Speaker 1: are you writing down? That's four times you touched your face.
Speaker 1: Let's stop that. Come on, get out here. And I
Speaker 1: just realized that when you raise your voice, your nostrils flare. Elliott,
Speaker 1: you are a fascinating subject. Look just look at this
Speaker 1: drawing idea of you be WHOA, Actually that's pretty good.
Speaker 1: You really managed to capture my genes s law. Oh
Speaker 1: is that what you call the mole above your left eyebrow? No,
Speaker 1: I call that Bernie. Look be, why don't you observe
Speaker 1: me in my natural element of podcast host so we
Speaker 1: can start the show. Hey works for me? Eric play
Speaker 1: us on please, here we go. What do you think
Speaker 1: you know about the grates from this story? The game
Speaker 1: is on. Get some energy and buckle up your brain
Speaker 1: because it's time to play the podcast. Because it's time
Speaker 1: to play Who Live from tong Baland or so called
Speaker 1: So Cow, Los Angeles. Welcome to Who Was? The history
Speaker 1: question show that gives contestants the chance to win mega
Speaker 1: prizes and podcast glory. I'm your announcer, Bean, which finds
Speaker 1: with he which stands for perceptive. And here's your host,
Speaker 1: a fascinating man who, by my account, touches ses ibrow
Speaker 1: once every seven minutes. I do not stop writing things down.
Speaker 1: Is Elliott Kalin. Thank you be and welcome everyone to
Speaker 1: the Who Was? Podcast. This show was like Jeopardy, only
Speaker 1: with surprise guests, silly games, and keen observations. Our contestants
Speaker 1: were sent who Was books about two great figures from history.
Speaker 1: Now they're here to show off their knowledge and the
Speaker 1: hope so winning fantastic prizes prizes. Today we're talking about
Speaker 1: animal behaviorist Jane Goodall and pop artist Andy Warhol, two
Speaker 1: people who were great at spotting what others couldn't see.
Speaker 1: Now let's meet to other people who I see right
Speaker 1: now is our contestants? All right? First off, we have Calvin. Calvin,
Speaker 1: please introduce yourself. My name is Calvin and I'm a
Speaker 1: new Orhammer forty sousand play. WHOA. I feel like Calvin
Speaker 1: just switched languages and I lost everything after I am
Speaker 1: a new I'll take this. I'll take this. I'm a
Speaker 1: natural born geek. Calvin, you are about to enter the
Speaker 1: experience of a lifetime as you journey to the Dark World,
Speaker 1: the farthest reaches of the g universe h for Endless Battle.
Speaker 1: Are you looking forward to it? How did you get
Speaker 1: into Warhammer? Well, after I left out of poking On,
Speaker 1: I thought, oh that was cool. Then I watched him
Speaker 1: deal of how to play, and now I'm really hyped
Speaker 1: up about it. I will just warn you one thing.
Speaker 1: One of my best friends is a really, really big
Speaker 1: Warhammer player, and I will say this. He spends a
Speaker 1: lot of time with tiny pin paintbrushes, painting tiny little
Speaker 1: figures of robots and aliens and monsters and things. Are
Speaker 1: you ready to dedicate your life to painting tiny little
Speaker 1: statues of robots and monsters and aliens and things? Yes?
Speaker 1: All right now, it already started. That's what I just
Speaker 1: want to say, who was podcast does not endorse war
Speaker 1: in any way. But if you want to play a
Speaker 1: game where you're an alien or robot or a monster
Speaker 1: and you're fighting some other ones, then you know what,
Speaker 1: do it safely in the comfort of your own home.
Speaker 1: It's great to hear you're enjoying a Calvin. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much, Calvin, And with us today we also have Sara. Sarah,
Speaker 1: please introduce your self. Hi. My name is Zara, and
Speaker 1: one sun fact about myself is that I wrote a
Speaker 1: rap song. You wrote a rap song? Wow? All right? Um?
Speaker 1: Now I feel like I might have to turn this
Speaker 1: over to our musician Eric to conduct the follow up questions.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm really out of my element with both of you,
Speaker 1: but happy we have people on the show who could
Speaker 1: take this over. So you rhyme and stuff. Yeah, no
Speaker 1: further questions. Sounds legit? Okay? That was That was a
Speaker 1: probing interview and I feel like we learned a lot. Zorrow,
Speaker 1: what's the what's the subject of the rap song? What's
Speaker 1: it about? Okay? Interesting? I feel like our audience at
Speaker 1: home is just begging for this. Will you spit the
Speaker 1: few lines for us? Please? In this song today, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you about a type of food that's healthy that
Speaker 1: you can't at two meals, some of rice and so
Speaker 1: kill from something about foods there. So it's just not
Speaker 1: only that, there also nutritions. Yeah, that's great. That was great.
Speaker 1: I love that. I love it. I'm expired. I'm expired
Speaker 1: just like a fruit time. I meant to say, I'm
Speaker 1: inspired and I'm hungry. Some of us aren't as great
Speaker 1: with words as you are. Zara, Well, thank you both
Speaker 1: so much for sharing. We really appreciate that. That was fantastic.
Speaker 1: We've got two eminently creative individuals here and I'm so
Speaker 1: excited for this game. I was want to thank Eric,
Speaker 1: our eminently creative musician providing that lovely live meet the
Speaker 1: contestant music and all the music you'll be hearing on
Speaker 1: the show today. So that's who is. Now, let's find
Speaker 1: out who was, or rather I should say who is still.
Speaker 1: Jane Goodall with four fast facts facts. Jane Goodall was
Speaker 1: born in London in ninety four and it's still with
Speaker 1: us working to protect chimpanzees and their natural habitats. In
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty, good All went to the forests of Tanzania.
Speaker 1: And Eastern Africa and observed chimps with such patients that
Speaker 1: they learned to accept her as a member of their community.
Speaker 1: Jane good studies expanded and change what we know about
Speaker 1: chimp behavior. Singer Stevie Nicks wrote a song about good
Speaker 1: All in and the Simpsons TV show featured a character
Speaker 1: based on her in two thousand one. Hey wait, that's
Speaker 1: that's kind of two facts. She's a natural news, she
Speaker 1: inspires me. I can't help it. Well, you touched your eyebrow.
Speaker 1: Oh fools, So Jane Goodall, She's devoted her life to
Speaker 1: spending time with and protecting chimpanzees. Is there any animal
Speaker 1: that you would want to spend time with devote your
Speaker 1: life to protect? Zara? Is there? We know your feelings
Speaker 1: about fruit are very enthusiastic. What about Is there an
Speaker 1: animal that you feel that way about? Oh? I can't
Speaker 1: choose all animals. There are a lot of really good
Speaker 1: ones out there. Yeah, what about you Calvin a particular
Speaker 1: type of animal? Yes, okay, thank you both. I know
Speaker 1: it's time to move on to our first game. It's
Speaker 1: called Backpack from the Past, could from the Baby. For
Speaker 1: this game, we have a backpack that holds some important
Speaker 1: objects from Jane Goodall's past. Jane might call it a
Speaker 1: ruck sack because she's from England and they use different
Speaker 1: words there sometimes, But the important thing to know is
Speaker 1: it's filled with important stuff. B we'll dig into the
Speaker 1: backpack and describe each object for our contestants and the
Speaker 1: listeners at home. Contestants, you tell us through multiple choice
Speaker 1: what part of Jane's life the object is from, and
Speaker 1: since this is our first game, each question is worth
Speaker 1: one point. Calvin Eureupe first, All right, Calvin, The first
Speaker 1: thing I'm pulling out from the backpack is Oh, it's
Speaker 1: soft and cuddly, and the tag says London Zoo gift Shop.
Speaker 1: It looks like some kind of toy monk. Is this
Speaker 1: a a stuffed chimp named Jubilee? Be a stuffy of
Speaker 1: the beloved British book character Paddington Bear, or see a
Speaker 1: neck pillow Jane used on long flights from England to Africa.
Speaker 1: That's right, it's a Jubilee, a big stuffed chimp that
Speaker 1: Jane Goodall took with her everywhere as a child. It's
Speaker 1: named after Jubilee, the first chimpanzee born in the London
Speaker 1: Zoo in other parents worried that the big chimp toy
Speaker 1: was too scary and that Jane should have a teddy
Speaker 1: bear or a kitten, but Jane preferred Jubilee, which still
Speaker 1: sits on her dressurant home to this very day. The
Speaker 1: next backpack item is for Zara. Okay, I'm reaching in
Speaker 1: and the next thing I feel is brown. Okay, it's
Speaker 1: actually more oval and it fits into my hand and
Speaker 1: oh no, oh gosh, and I dropped it on Elliot's shoes, um,
Speaker 1: and the yoke has ruined them. Is this a water
Speaker 1: balloon filled with yo? Be a chicken egg? Or see
Speaker 1: a chocolate Cadbury egg left over from Easter? D that's right,
Speaker 1: be it's a chicken egg. When Jane was a little girl,
Speaker 1: she was so curious to see a chicken laying egg
Speaker 1: that she waited quietly in a chicken coop for hours
Speaker 1: and hours. Jane's mom was so worried she called the police.
Speaker 1: But good news is that Jane did see the chicken
Speaker 1: land egg and she was not arrested for stalking that chicken.
Speaker 1: In fact, her parents weren't even mad, and that egg
Speaker 1: still sits on her dresser to this day. No, just
Speaker 1: kidding that would be gross. Next backpack item is for Calvin.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, this is kind of heavy. It's like a
Speaker 1: big pointy tool where there's also a big rock in
Speaker 1: here that looks like this big heavy tool was breaking
Speaker 1: into smaller pieces. Is this a a brick and mortar set,
Speaker 1: the set of keys to a gas station the desert
Speaker 1: that someone stole, or C A pick axe? Uh a,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry the answer is C. It's a pick axe
Speaker 1: for fossil hunting. Jane's first boss in Africa was the
Speaker 1: famous palaeontologist, which is a fossil hunter, Dr Lewis Leaky.
Speaker 1: Jane was Dr Leakey's secretary at a museum in Nairobi, Kenya.
Speaker 1: But Leaky could tell Jane had the smarts and the
Speaker 1: patients to look for fossils using this pick x. Dr
Speaker 1: Leaky also thought chimps might have a common ancestor with
Speaker 1: early man, so Leaky later sent Jane to her first
Speaker 1: chimp study, which would change her life. Okay, The next
Speaker 1: question and backpack item is for sorrow growth. I don't
Speaker 1: know how this fits into a backpack, but oh, it's
Speaker 1: a hill of dirt with a hole in the top.
Speaker 1: Were insects crawled in and out. It's like their home.
Speaker 1: So many bugs. Is this a my lunch that the
Speaker 1: who was bugs got into be a termite mound? Or
Speaker 1: see the ant colony Jane studied before she moved on
Speaker 1: to chimps. B that's right, it's be a termite mound.
Speaker 1: Jane Goodall was the first to observed chimps fishing for
Speaker 1: termites by dipping a long blade of grass into the
Speaker 1: hole on top of the termite mound. The termites would
Speaker 1: cling to the blade, then the chimps would lick it off,
Speaker 1: just like when you dip a stick into sugar candy
Speaker 1: and then lick the termites off of it. Until then,
Speaker 1: scientists thought humans were the only animals that made tools,
Speaker 1: but Jane changed all that. Take termite, stop eating my pencil.
Speaker 1: I guess we better end the round right there. That's
Speaker 1: the end of the round, back from the best great round,
Speaker 1: and thank you all. Well, be goes and fumigates that pencil.
Speaker 1: Let's touch base with producer Jane for the scores. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's very close. Zara has two points and Calvin has one.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Jane. It's still anybody's game. Those scores are close.
Speaker 1: But who knows what's going to happen in the next round.
Speaker 1: We don't and we won't find out until after this
Speaker 1: short break. Eric, please play us some observation music if
Speaker 1: you would, and watch the person next to you over
Speaker 1: this break. Take notes, everybody, I see you. Welcome back
Speaker 1: to the who Else Podcast. Today we're learning all about
Speaker 1: who is Jane Goodall? And who was Andy Warhol? And
Speaker 1: now back to your host, Elliott Calin, Thank you be.
Speaker 1: Our scores are Calvin one and Zara to These are
Speaker 1: fierce competitors, so let's get right to it by finding
Speaker 1: out more about in the Warhole with four fast Facts
Speaker 1: Fast Facts. Andy Warhol Day from eight to nine seven
Speaker 1: in the nineteen fifties. Andy Warhol was a star illustrator
Speaker 1: in the advertising world. He drew shoes, clothes, appliances, and cats.
Speaker 1: Andy was a pioneer pop art, short or popular art.
Speaker 1: He painted everyday things he loved, like Campbell's soup cans.
Speaker 1: Warhol created his very famous art studio, nicknamed the Factory,
Speaker 1: where he could make his work in a kind of
Speaker 1: assembly line process. Fools, Okay, let's keep moving fast and
Speaker 1: move on to our next game. It's something we call
Speaker 1: true or false? False? False? Or is a true? It
Speaker 1: is a truth that has false? Is it was true?
Speaker 1: Or true? True? Fault? For this game, be will read
Speaker 1: a statement. You will then let us know if the
Speaker 1: statement is true or false false? Yeah, you got it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Not an official question, but you got it right. Because
Speaker 1: it's our second game, each question is worth two points Zara, Europe. First.
Speaker 1: When Andy Warhol was an art college in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: he submitted a drawing for a city art exhibition. The
Speaker 1: drawing was of a boy picking who is that? No?
Speaker 1: Is that true or false? Sure? That's right, it's true.
Speaker 1: The drawing was not chosen for the exhibition, but it
Speaker 1: got people talking. Andy enjoyed the reaction and was learning
Speaker 1: how unusual art subjects get people's attention. You know what
Speaker 1: they say, You can pick art, but you can't pick
Speaker 1: your nose in an art famous saying. And the next
Speaker 1: question is for Calvin the Warhol was great at drawing
Speaker 1: and painting. He is best known for a technique called
Speaker 1: silk screening, where you squeeze you paint through silk fabric
Speaker 1: that lays over a stentil. Is this true or false? True?
Speaker 1: That's right, it's true. Silk screening allowed Warhols repeat images
Speaker 1: over and over on one canvas. Sometimes the stencil didn't
Speaker 1: line up quite right. The loved the interesting mistakes that
Speaker 1: that made Warhol famously silk screened portraits of movie stars
Speaker 1: like Marilyn Monroe, Elizabeth Taylor, and Elvis Presley. Uh, he
Speaker 1: hasn't done a portrait of either me or be yet.
Speaker 1: But you still gotta make some movies. We'll get their fingers. Yes,
Speaker 1: we'll make it. We'll make it. Will become stars one day,
Speaker 1: silk screen stars. And the next question is for Zara.
Speaker 1: Andy Warhol loved cats. Later in life, Warhol and his
Speaker 1: boyfriend Jed Johnson had a pair of leopards as pets.
Speaker 1: Is this true or false? False? That's right, it's false.
Speaker 1: Andy did love cats and published a book of cat
Speaker 1: drawings in the nineteen fifties. That Andy and Jed had
Speaker 1: a pair of docks and dogs named Archie and Amos. Warhol,
Speaker 1: of course, silk screens their portraits, even though they technically
Speaker 1: weren't movie stars. The next question is for Calvin. When
Speaker 1: an new Warhol's hair started to thin and received, he
Speaker 1: decided to shave it all. A sweek bald head with
Speaker 1: dark sunglasses became his signature gloove. Is this true or false? False?
Speaker 1: That's right, it's false. Warhol did start to go ball,
Speaker 1: but the solution was to wear a silvery white wig
Speaker 1: that sometimes poked out in all directions. Perhaps Andy Warhol's
Speaker 1: greatest work of art was himself. And that's true or false? True? True? True?
Speaker 1: True orful? Great game, everybody, fantastic work. Let's pop on
Speaker 1: over to Jane because of pop art with the scores.
Speaker 1: Czara leads with six points, Calvin has five. Thank you Jane.
Speaker 1: And now I'm very excited to announce we actually have
Speaker 1: Andy Warhol here with us in the studio. Hello, all
Speaker 1: you know. To get to my studio, I used to
Speaker 1: take the six train to fifty first Street and walk
Speaker 1: two blocks east. But to get here today I just
Speaker 1: used the who was app? Who was that? You want? Oh?
Speaker 1: You need? Your time? Travel app is effective but not
Speaker 1: as much fun as a New York subway train. Why
Speaker 1: don't you add a turnstile you get to go through
Speaker 1: and go we Yes? I even found the whimsy on
Speaker 1: mass Transit. Did you catch my whimsy? Wow? That's amazing.
Speaker 1: Now Mr Wahall, can I call you Andy, Why don't
Speaker 1: you call me? Totally underwhelmed by the decor in this studio.
Speaker 1: There's not a milar balloon in sight. Where's all the
Speaker 1: busted furniture and people just hanging out? Okay, well, besides
Speaker 1: mebe giving the studio a makeover. What brings you here today? Well,
Speaker 1: I'm on a talent scouting mission. I need a new
Speaker 1: muse for my next art film. I famously said that
Speaker 1: in the future, which I guess is now, everybody will
Speaker 1: be world famous for fifteen minutes, like on Instagram or YouTube.
Speaker 1: You those some like medical terms, like may I conduct
Speaker 1: this Instagram before we insert the YouTube? You see, impersonations
Speaker 1: are also in art form. I was making art well. Actually,
Speaker 1: nowadays social media's kind of the major way that people
Speaker 1: can listen. I've had many great muses featured in my work,
Speaker 1: but none as powerful as chicken noodle soup, which I
Speaker 1: discovered in the most ordinary of places, the kitchen. So
Speaker 1: I thought I'd come to other ordinary, drab of places
Speaker 1: to see what called out to me. I'm a little
Speaker 1: offended you think the studio is ordinary or drab. Look,
Speaker 1: we've got a chandelier and a resident elephant. Geraldine. And
Speaker 1: not only that, there's also the pool, and there's where
Speaker 1: that Generaldine and I are allergic to bees. Oh no, no,
Speaker 1: not a buzz buzz b. I mean your announcer b.
Speaker 1: You look like you could be muse material for one.
Speaker 1: You smell like Sue. That's a good start. Would you
Speaker 1: like to start in my next art film? Um? No, thanks,
Speaker 1: I can't act. My high school drama teacher made me
Speaker 1: transferred to shop class because she said I was the
Speaker 1: enemy of natural talent. You don't need to act to
Speaker 1: be in my films. In nineteen sixty four, I made
Speaker 1: a five hour movie of my friends sleeping. Just turn
Speaker 1: the camera on and let life unfold. Oh like that
Speaker 1: show about the Kardashians, Sorry, the Carwoodians. Listen, Mr Wahol.
Speaker 1: I admire your work and we are flattered, but I
Speaker 1: don't think we're who you're looking for. I hope we
Speaker 1: didn't waste your time. Now I have your who was
Speaker 1: app appearance contract here in triplicate. Let me just staple
Speaker 1: it together for you. I'm kind of a stickler for paperwork.
Speaker 1: That's what we in the biz call a surprise to
Speaker 1: no one. Wait, stay right there in the light I
Speaker 1: have found my star after all. Give me that beautiful objects,
Speaker 1: the stapler, the clean lines, shiny like a piece of candy. Yes,
Speaker 1: if you look hard enough, you into beautiful things all
Speaker 1: around you. I will do a Stapler film series and
Speaker 1: elevate staplers to high art. I think I will call
Speaker 1: my stapler paintings. What's that word you said? The cardassian
Speaker 1: be Elliott Geraldine. I'll just take this and be on
Speaker 1: my way. Thanks again for the stapler, and many thanks
Speaker 1: to the Who Was app stick around listeners. We have
Speaker 1: one game left to determine the champion. Right after this
Speaker 1: short break, Eric, please play us some pop art music
Speaker 1: chewing gum exhibit Sally, Who was there? Marie Curie? You
Speaker 1: may remember me from winning multiple Nobel Prizes, or perhaps
Speaker 1: from my episode of the Who Was Podcast where I
Speaker 1: played myself. I wanted to take a moment to read
Speaker 1: one of my favorite reviews about the Who Worst podcasts.
Speaker 1: This is from Shaken Bay and it reads loved this
Speaker 1: Me and my little sister love this show more. Please.
Speaker 1: Our faith is Ariet Toman. If you want to hear
Speaker 1: your review right on the air, make sure to subscribe, like,
Speaker 1: and review to the OAHs podcast in the I Heart
Speaker 1: Radio up or wherever you give your podcasts revoir or
Speaker 1: should I stay Abien. We're back on the Huah's podcast.
Speaker 1: We last let off. Calvin had five points and Zara
Speaker 1: had six points. And now back to your host, Elliot Kalen.
Speaker 1: Thank you, and we have not a moment to spare
Speaker 1: because it's time for our last game of the game.
Speaker 1: Converge of greatness. That music, I like to think that's
Speaker 1: what Jane Goodall heard when she saw that chimp using
Speaker 1: a tool to eat termites for the first time and
Speaker 1: realized man was not alone in the universe. Okay. In
Speaker 1: this multiple choice game, we'll explore how our famous people connect, overlap,
Speaker 1: or converge. You'll be surprised how much our two historical
Speaker 1: figures have in common. Choose the best of the multiple
Speaker 1: choice answers for each question, and because we're in the
Speaker 1: third round, each question is worth three enormous points. Ready,
Speaker 1: the first question goes to Calvin B Take it away.
Speaker 1: Both Jane and Andy's mother's helped them in their careers.
Speaker 1: While Jane's mother lived with her in the Gombay Reserve
Speaker 1: and turned their campsite into a local health clinic, for villagers.
Speaker 1: Andy's mother helped him in his work. This way was it?
Speaker 1: A Andy used his mother's lovely handwriting in his advertising illustrations.
Speaker 1: B Andy and his mother were the same size wigs
Speaker 1: and would sometimes share them. Or see Andy's mother was
Speaker 1: actually great friends with Elizabeth Taylor and got her to
Speaker 1: pose for Andy. A. That's right. The answers A. Yourhol's
Speaker 1: mother or Julia not only lived with Andy in his
Speaker 1: apartment where she cooked and cleaned for him, he used
Speaker 1: her penmanship in some of his early advertising illustrations. Oh,
Speaker 1: that reminds me, I should call my mom. I need
Speaker 1: her beautiful handwriting to sign some permission slips for who
Speaker 1: was field trips? Okay, the next question is Frazara. Andy
Speaker 1: Warhol started Interview magazine that helped launch his career. But
Speaker 1: how is Jane Goodall connected to magazines? A. Her pioneering
Speaker 1: work with chimpanzees helped Mad magazine find lots of good
Speaker 1: homes for sea monkeys. Be she was able to reach
Speaker 1: the public through articles in National Geographic or see she
Speaker 1: founded Jane Magazine, which started out as a science magazine
Speaker 1: but later became a fashion magazine. B. That's right. The
Speaker 1: correct answer is be Jane Goodall's scientific work reached the
Speaker 1: regular public through articles in National Geographic. She was often
Speaker 1: photographed by National Geographic photographer Hugo van Lewick, who Jane
Speaker 1: would later marry. They had a sunly nicknamed Grove, which
Speaker 1: sounds like someone who Andy would have hung out with
Speaker 1: at the Chelsea Hotel alongside our famous who was bugs.
Speaker 1: This next question is for Calvin Warhol and good alboth
Speaker 1: suffered for their art. For Andy, this harrowing lee included
Speaker 1: a playwright attempt him to assassinate him after he decided
Speaker 1: not to produce her play, which one of the following
Speaker 1: harrowing statements is true for Jane. A. Jane had to
Speaker 1: put up with other scientists painfully and incorrectly, assuming she
Speaker 1: was a scientists girlfriend hanging out in the lab and
Speaker 1: not they're doing her own research. B. Jane got pushed
Speaker 1: over the side of a cliff by an angry chip
Speaker 1: or see Jane had spotty Internet in the jungle. That's right.
Speaker 1: The answer is be Jane Goodall was pushed over the
Speaker 1: side of a cliff by a chimp ning froto we
Speaker 1: did not want to be observed. Instead of a long fall,
Speaker 1: Jane luckily landed in some bushes. Banged up but okay,
Speaker 1: But I think that should be a lesson to all
Speaker 1: of us. Do not stand between a chimp and a
Speaker 1: cliff And the last question of the round is for Zara.
Speaker 1: Both Jane and Andy had important partnerships in their work.
Speaker 1: One of these important partnerships was with a figure who
Speaker 1: went by the name of David Graybeard. Who was David Graybeard?
Speaker 1: Was he a a pseudonym? Andy used to review films
Speaker 1: for Interview magazine so people wouldn't be mad when he
Speaker 1: gave movies two thumbs down? Was he be a chimpanzee
Speaker 1: that was one of the first to trust Jane Goodall
Speaker 1: or see the actual name of Jane Goodall's son b
Speaker 1: That's right, The answer is be David Graybeard was the
Speaker 1: first chimp to trust and accept Jane Goodall and possibly
Speaker 1: the first chimp to ever have a last name. One day,
Speaker 1: when she offered him some fruit, he took it from
Speaker 1: her hand and sat with her holding her hand, which
Speaker 1: is always the way I try to eat food I
Speaker 1: get from my fruit. Bender, But he doesn't seem to
Speaker 1: want to accept me as one of his own. Brutal
Speaker 1: Maybe someday and that's Converge of Greatness. Yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: end of that game, which means it's almost the end
Speaker 1: of the show. While we wait for producer James Tally.
Speaker 1: The points I'd love to hear from our contestants, Zara,
Speaker 1: what was something that you found surprising or interesting, especially
Speaker 1: about Jane Goodall or Indie Warhol. What's something that really
Speaker 1: stuck out to you about either one of them. Well,
Speaker 1: Jane kept trying even though she was thrown off, but
Speaker 1: that is very persistent and very inspiring. It's just like
Speaker 1: the old saying when you get thrown off a cliff
Speaker 1: by a chimp, get back on the cliff. Calvin, was
Speaker 1: there anything that particularly jumped out at you or that
Speaker 1: you thought was really memorable about Jane Goodall or Indie Worhold?
Speaker 1: What surprised you or or interested you? Um any war
Speaker 1: Herald made an eight hour movie of the Empire State Building,
Speaker 1: and the only aim in that eight hours was the
Speaker 1: sky and dollars of the Empire State Building turning off.
Speaker 1: It's a really amazing idea for a movie, but I
Speaker 1: would say it is a long time to sit and
Speaker 1: watch the movie. You're gonna want to bring some snacks. Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: And the fact that we have um Jane Goodall and
Speaker 1: Andy Warhol h in an episode together. I didn't even
Speaker 1: realize the Empire state Building talking about chimps makes me
Speaker 1: think of King Kong. Yeah, that would have been an
Speaker 1: amazing ending for Andy Warhol's Empire state Building movie is
Speaker 1: if after eight hours a gorilla climbed up the side
Speaker 1: of it. Wow, taking everybody by surprise. Talk about a twist,
Speaker 1: it would have Thank Yeah, watch out m Night Shamalan,
Speaker 1: but only if they have a patience to wash it
Speaker 1: until the end. Thank you both for sharing what you
Speaker 1: what you thought. Let's find out, Jane, who is our
Speaker 1: big winner? Oh there was only one point difference in
Speaker 1: the winner and the runner up. Calvin had eleven points,
Speaker 1: but our winner was Zara with twelve. Congratulations Zara and Calvin.
Speaker 1: Great game playing. That was super close. Zara as our winner.
Speaker 1: You have ten seconds for shoutouts. Who would you like
Speaker 1: to thank for bringing you to the winner circle today?
Speaker 1: I would like to thank my parents for helping me
Speaker 1: and my really nice and funny from it, Calvin, big game,
Speaker 1: and the hosts for just doing it. Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: That's what we love to see in our contestants is
Speaker 1: good sportsmanship and also that they like us. That's the
Speaker 1: best of Our winner and their library of choice will
Speaker 1: be receiving a selection of Who Was books. And I'm
Speaker 1: going to give my own shout outs to intern Zach
Speaker 1: Jane Eric will Hines for being our Andy Warhol and
Speaker 1: of course to be And a big thank you to
Speaker 1: both of our contestants who played a really great game
Speaker 1: and should both be really proud of themselves. Thank you
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Speaker 1: us right now. Join us again. Next week we'll find
Speaker 1: out about two more amazing people from the past. Until then,
Speaker 1: this is Elliott Eyebrow touching omnivore worthy of study, Kalin
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