1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Any 2 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: officer who goes into action without his sword is improperly dressed. 3 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for tuning in Ridiculous Historians. Welcome to 4 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: the show. My name is Ben. And that was a quote. 5 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't know why I like that makes 6 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: me laugh. Um, I thought I was hoping it was 7 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: just coming directly from you, and that was you just 8 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: chastising people who are not properly accessorized with their sword 9 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: oddestly enough yet. Know you and I have forgotten our 10 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: swords today, but our super producer, Casey Pegram is probably 11 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: still strapped. He's got two of them like across his 12 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: back like a ninja turtle at all times for sure. 13 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 1: So okay, Ben, I'm gonna we're gonna need a little 14 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: context about that. But that's that that quote there, that's true. 15 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: That is that is not a quotation from me, it's 16 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: not one from Casey, it's not one from you. It's 17 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: just a quote that we all three happen to agree with. 18 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: The source of this quote is a man named Lieutenant 19 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 1: Colonel John mad Jack Churchill, and he was not referring 20 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: to a sword in a metaphorical sense, was he No, 21 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: he wasn't. He was referring to you know, ceremonial military sword. 22 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: You know, that's part of the whole get up, um 23 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: it was. It really is more ceremonial than anything. I 24 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: don't know, there was too much sword play going on 25 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: in the battlefield, But this is a man who was very, 26 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: very concerned with tradition. Yeah, and his sword was a 27 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: little bit less ceremonial the old and most right. He 28 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: was Scottish and he had a Scottish broadsword that he 29 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: took with him to battle in World War Two. This 30 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: is a guy who is somehow not a character in 31 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: a Quentin Tarantino film yet. And today on this episode, 32 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: we're going to learn a little bit about Lieutenant Colonel Churchill, 33 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: and we're gonna learn a little bit about why people 34 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 1: called him mad Jack. And spoiler, this is not uh 35 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: an ironic nickname like little John or something. No, I mean, 36 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: this really does have little hints of like the Inglorious 37 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: Bastards uh in it. For sure. You mentioned in Tarantino connection. 38 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: It's because this was a man whose job it was 39 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: to hunt down and kill Nazis, and he did it 40 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: in a pretty creative way, as some of the bastards 41 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: did in that uh in that Tarantino picture. Let's let's 42 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: i've into Churchill's life. We know he was born in 43 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: nineteen o six. His father was in the Colonial service. 44 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: He had engineering post and he worked in admin and 45 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: this meant that the family moved around. They had been 46 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: in Sri Lanka or President day Sri Lanka, they had 47 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: been in Hong Kong, and when Jack was born, the 48 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: family was located in England. But there's still a little 49 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: bit of disagreement there. Some historians will stay he was 50 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: in the colony in Sri Lanka and some will say 51 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: he was in Hong Kong. Anyhow, his father's family came 52 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: from Oxfordshire and his name reflects their inherited geography, their 53 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: ancestry because they're on the Anglo Scottish border in the Highlands. 54 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: So he actually had his His full birth name is 55 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: much longer than just John Churchill. Oh, absolutely, Mr Boland 56 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: a long name. Indeed, he was christened John on Malcolm 57 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: Thorpe Fleming Churchill. See I miss those days. You know 58 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: how many people get five names from the jump. I mean, 59 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: it's certainly on the table, you know, it's just not 60 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: really done, but I think we should bring that back. 61 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: It has an air of gravitas to it, sort of 62 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: setting up your child for success as some sort of 63 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: dictator or at the very least a minor political player. 64 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: It also it gives you a moment to pause, you know, 65 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: when your name is officially announced. Now it's this parade 66 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: of ideas if you Most people in the States have 67 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 1: what I would say, on average, three names, first, middle, 68 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: and last. All I'm saying is it's a it's good 69 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: to have options. Oh yeah, that you know, think about 70 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: that too. Like we've all had friends, I imagine, who 71 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: later in life choose one of their names to be 72 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: their go to name. Like you might have a guy 73 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: whose name is Fergus Jeremy vander Schmidt, and growing up 74 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: he doesn't want to be called Fergus, so he's Jeremy 75 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: in school. But then he gets into like his college age, 76 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: and he's like in to beat poetry and stuff, and 77 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: he's like, now I'm Fergus or Fergie perhaps and joins 78 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: the black eyed piece. But see, here's the thing, though, 79 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: where does Jack come in. We've got John Malcolm Thorpe, 80 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: Fleming Churchill and then he ends up with Jack. Was 81 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: Jack short for uh? Jack must be short for John? 82 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: That makes no sense, the same number of syllables, I 83 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: don't under It's like Dick and Richard. Where did that 84 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: come from? No idea? You know, because rich was right there, 85 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: Riches in the front. Somebody went out of their way 86 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: to call their child at Dick. I would agree with that. Uh, 87 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 1: you know that the child probably had a bad attitude. Um. 88 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 1: You know. But here's the thing. Jack's father had a 89 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: had a very pithy, a little simple to the point name. 90 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: It was Alec. And when Jack was for Alec became 91 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: the director of public works in Hong Kong um and uh, 92 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: they moved. He moved his family to Asia and they 93 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: lived there for several years until nineteen seventeen. UM. And 94 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: that is when young Jack became fascinated by exploration. He 95 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: was kind of given free reign to just roam the 96 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: city at will um. And when he finally went back 97 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: to England, he wanted to keep that going. You know, 98 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: he he had already he had this thirst for exploration 99 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: that he um could not easily quench. Yeah, and we 100 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: don't know too much about the life and adventures of 101 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,679 Speaker 1: young mad Jack Churchill. But we know a few things. 102 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: He graduated from the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst in nine 103 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: six and after that, when he was only twenty years old, 104 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: he was shipped off to Burma with the Manchester Regiment, 105 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: and he also took some time to do some road trips. 106 00:06:55,560 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 1: He drove his motorcycle around the region. Uh. And while 107 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 1: he was there, we know that he learned to play 108 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 1: the bagpipes, perhaps got a little bit obsessed with them. 109 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: I mean, there's really no way to just be casually 110 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: interested in the bagpipes. Ben, That's at least how I 111 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: feel about it. You know, once you go, once you 112 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: get in with the bagpipes, you really got to become 113 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: a total pipehead. Baghead maybe baghead just because uh, piper 114 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: doesn't work and pipe head has some sort of drug connotation. 115 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,239 Speaker 1: I think you're probably right. What's the name of the 116 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: the thing that you blow into the the tamo, the shant, 117 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: the shanter, the tamos. I don't know, is that a hat? 118 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: That's the hat? These sound? These sound legit. I know 119 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: you don't blow into the bag. The bag just takes 120 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: them the air. I do also know that bagpipes can 121 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: sound good, but uh, only in the hands of a professional. 122 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: That's my point. It's sort of like playing the harp 123 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: or something. You can't be a casual harpist or the 124 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: oboe is really difficult. It's also you gotta have your 125 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: own masure, which is the way you hold your mouth 126 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: to to make the blows. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean 127 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: been in the Even the violin can sound ugly in 128 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: the hands of a novice. Trust me, dude, I mean 129 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: as a as a as a young violinist myself, I 130 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: have been around many Uh we did group lessons for violin, 131 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: like that's with all the little kids up to the 132 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: older kids, the little kids who that was hard? Is 133 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: it like t ball versus Little League? Did the little 134 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: kids have special violins? You know? It's funny the very 135 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: little kids, before they even get a violin, they get 136 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: a little box with a ruler taped to it and 137 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: like a stick and they just learned how to like 138 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: bow and like, you know, do the positions and all 139 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 1: that stuff. Do you still have yours? I don't know 140 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: my stick box now. I do have my violin in 141 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: a closet. It's covered in duct tape because I was 142 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: in like sort of a punky piraty band for a while, 143 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: and I had a pickup that I just kind of 144 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: taped onto it in the very d I y Tom 145 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: Morello e kind of way um, But anyway, um the 146 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: bagpipes it really called to young Jack. And during his 147 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: motorcycle exploration days he also got into our tree. Um. 148 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: And in the thirties he spent some time in Kenya 149 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: and Nairobi and Kenya. He was a newspaper editor, he 150 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: was a male model. UM. He again used his archery 151 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: skills to get spots in films like The Thief of Baghdad, 152 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: which is quite famous, and a Yank at Oxford where 153 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: he served as an extra right. And there's a little 154 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: bit of context we have to paint here because Churchill 155 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: ended up in Kenya in nine six because he left 156 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 1: the army, and he left the army because he was bored. 157 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: Historians speculate at the lack of conflict there was two 158 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: peaceful in the army, for he was living a lot 159 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: of these stories that people would dream about living or 160 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: or he was he was actually doing things that people 161 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: would write about and fantasize about. In the lack of 162 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: military conflict, he became obsessed with his two great loves. 163 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: He instead of spending his time killing people for the 164 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: British Empire, he spent his time practicing the bagpipes and 165 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: getting better and better at archery. In fact, he became 166 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: an award winning bagpipeist and an award winning archer. That's right. 167 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: In nineteen thirty eight there was a military bagpipe competition. 168 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: Because let's not forget we we kind of buried this 169 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: a little bit. Uh. The bagpipes were to the Scottish 170 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: sort of the way like marching drums and beauty life 171 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: and the fife or whatever. It's like what you would 172 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:39,719 Speaker 1: lead the charge with, you know, because you can hear 173 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: it for miles and it's a very specific sound. And 174 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: like you said, Benn, it really is. When done correctly, 175 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: like our boy Jonathan Davis from the band corn Um 176 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: so skillfully does, it can be a very interesting sound. Actually, 177 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: my one of my favorite eighties musical breaks is in 178 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: the song Under the Milky Way by the Church and 179 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: it's it's got a bagpipe solo, and I think it's 180 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 1: really cool. They pull it off, they pull it off, 181 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: and and I think you're being very generous and diplomatic 182 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: by saying it is an interesting sound, because some people 183 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: might get mad at me here, folks, but I will 184 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: advance to you that a good At least one out 185 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: of five times you hear bagpipes in the wild, they're 186 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: not gonna sound great. You're probably right, ben, I do 187 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: love the name of the place where this, uh, this 188 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: military piping competition took place in nineteen thirty eight. It 189 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: was called alder Shot tattoo Um and it actually set 190 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: off a bit of a scandal um because he was, 191 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: in fact an Englishman and he was better at the 192 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,359 Speaker 1: bagpipes than many of the Scotsman that were in the competition. 193 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: He was a real upset, yeah, he was. He was 194 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: a surprise second place winner, a bit of a dark 195 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: horse candidate. And then the next year, nineteen thirty nine, 196 00:11:56,040 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: he entered an archery competition, the World Archery Championship in Oslo, Norway, 197 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: and he also got second place there. Keep in mind, 198 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: he's still he's still a young guy when this is 199 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: all happening. He's in his twenties. He seems set to 200 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: live this life of a Roman adventurer until nine, the 201 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: dawn of World War Two. Indeed, the infamous invasion of 202 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: Poland by the German forces um, at which point he 203 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: was forced to go back to his post uh in 204 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 1: the British Army and become a part of the war effort, 205 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: where he joined the British Expeditionary Force to France. And 206 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 1: he I don't know how this worked, like because you 207 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: would think, you know, the military super regimented, and they 208 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: kind of you know, there's everything's issued and the everything 209 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: from the uniform to the weapons, and but they let 210 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: him use his archery skills on patrol, which I think 211 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: is really fascinating. He must have really showed them what 212 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: he could do and convey to them that hey, this 213 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: is my weapon of choice and it can be a 214 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 1: very deadly one. Yeah, and that's correct, and you're not 215 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: mishearing us. He was literally using a bow in war. 216 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: As odd as that might sound, the bow actually held 217 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: up pretty well against the contemporaneous firearms at the time. 218 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: Let's remember a bow and arrow is absolutely silent, and 219 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: there's an article in history dash uk dot com that 220 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: cites the stat that it is highly accurate as well 221 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: up to two hundred yards, so it's essentially like you know, 222 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: a silent sniper rifle and Vice dot com has this 223 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: great article about mad Jack that describes some of his 224 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: guerrilla tactics. So, right after the Allied retreat to Dunkirk 225 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: in mid mad Jack starts practicing his shooting, move, stick 226 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: and move guerrilla tactics he has. He stages raids, he 227 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: gets awards for his bravery, he gets clipped by machine 228 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: gun fire and survives, and this is okay, I mean, Casey, 229 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: maybe you can help us out with some Tarantino esque 230 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: sound cues that will pop up here whenever we say 231 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: there's a Tarantino moment, here's a Tarantino moment. One time 232 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: mad Jack is watching German forces moved from a tower 233 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: in a tiny village Lepinette, and mad Jack when he 234 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: when he sees the group moving, he takes his longbow 235 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: and he pulls it back and then plump, he shoots 236 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: a Nazi sergeant straight through the chest with a barbed arrow. 237 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: And then after that arrow, right after that arrow, his 238 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: infantrymen who are hanging with him just mow the place 239 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: down with bullets light them up. And I guess a 240 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: barbed arrow would make it impossible to pull it out 241 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: without just absolutely doing irreparable damage to your gun parts. 242 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: YEA not a nice way to go. I mean, think 243 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: about how painful that would be. Uh. He then was 244 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: able to rejoin his company and lead them across enemy 245 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: lines under cover of night. Um, even though he was 246 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: nursing that that shoulder shot. Yeah. Yeah, And this is 247 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: the thing. Earlier I said he had been clipped with 248 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: machine gun fire. But there's something you have to understand 249 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: in anybody who is unfortunate enough to have been shot 250 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: and survived, who's listening in the audience today, you know 251 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: exactly what I mean when I say that the movies 252 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: are lying to you. Everyone, every single person alive, is 253 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: genuinely startled by even a flesh wound from a quote 254 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: unquote flesh wound from a machine gun or a firearm. 255 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: It hurts, it's dangerous. Uh. And the weird thing is sometimes, 256 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: and I think this explains Matt Jack, sometimes, when people 257 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: are shot, the adrenaline that they're experiencing that's flooding their 258 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: body keeps them from noticing the pain until much later. 259 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: So he might have not even noticed he had been 260 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: shot until much later. But Uh, this famous longbow incident 261 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: makes him the only British soldier to have felled an 262 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: enemy with a longbow during World War Two. That for 263 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: most people, that's enough. Now you're in the history books 264 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: right now, you can retire, go back to being a 265 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: male model, play bagpipes in uh An Orientalist films top 266 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: of your your motorcycle, you know, I mean, really really 267 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: interesting guy for sure. So advancing a little bit of 268 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: the timeline when Churchill Um actually put himself forth as 269 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: a volunteer for this new elite squad of British commandos, 270 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: um he actually helped launch a raid, very successful raid 271 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: on um a Nazi garrison uh and and some of 272 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: their supply stores, and they had a fish oil factories 273 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 1: as well at Vagsy in Vay. I imagine that this 274 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 1: is one of these little um what do you call 275 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: little accents that I'm unfamiliar with in in the Norwegian 276 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: language of the tiny tiny oh. And then also the 277 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: O with an X through it, which I love, So 278 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: I don't quite know how those how those add to 279 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: the pronunciation. So we we always try to do our best, um. 280 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: And this was an island, right, so this Nazi garrison 281 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: was on the island of Vagsy in Norway, and uh 282 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: so his commando group, British number three battalion landed on 283 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: December in nineteen one, and it was to the sound 284 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: of those those iconic bagpipes. Yes, it's the drone that 285 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: really sets them apart. Let's let's just break down really 286 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: quick the components of a bagpipe. You've got the bag 287 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: that you have to keep pumping because as you're pumping it, 288 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 1: that's what's uh, you know, circular lating air to create 289 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 1: that drone, and then you are blowing into it in 290 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 1: between playing on the flutie part, which I think is 291 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 1: called the it's called the blowstick. Is it really called 292 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 1: the blow really called the blowstick? What's the other part? 293 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: I swears? So that's the part that uh there. But 294 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: then there's the again, the flutie bit that makes sort 295 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 1: of the melody, while the drone is created by inflating 296 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 1: and deflating the giant bag um. So you have that 297 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 1: combination of almost just that drone of doom, you know 298 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: on the low end that just keeps going. It's just endless, 299 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: and then you have that kind of creepy melody up top. Correction, 300 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: the blowstick is its own thing. The chanter is separate, right. 301 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 1: The chanter, I believe is the flutie part. The chanter 302 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: is the flutie part that that produces the melody notes, 303 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 1: and they're also there's also the tuning slide. Not to 304 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: be confused. The blow stick, I believe is what you 305 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: have to continuously, you know, switch over to you and 306 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: inflate to get the bag before. So he's doing this 307 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: in the middle of a war. Important part. It is 308 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: very important part bagpipe mechanics aside um. So you know, 309 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: the Nazis heard that, and as far as they are concerned, 310 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:25,719 Speaker 1: that's the sound of their own demise, the sound of doom. Right. Uh, 311 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: the Casey, if we can, let's let's play a clip 312 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: if we can, of the song that mad Jack played. 313 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: It's it's called the March of the Cameron Men. So 314 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: so Casey off, Mike, you said something interesting about that 315 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: while we were playing it. What's your take, Well, I 316 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,360 Speaker 1: just said, it sounds like every other bagpipe composition I've 317 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 1: ever heard in my life. And I said, because of 318 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: that drone, right, Because it's it's it's the the elements 319 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: are just really there's really no way around it and 320 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: hard to escape it. And I feel like I should 321 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: just be watching like a parade in a movie where 322 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: something's going on, people are glaring at each other. Maybe 323 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: that's right, And then Mel Gibson is in the background 324 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: going freedom exactly, So something like that does kind of happen. 325 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 1: This is another Tarantino moment, if we, if we ever 326 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: managed to get that sound cute. As he hits the shore, 327 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: he stops playing the bagpipes he throws. He throws them somewhere, 328 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,479 Speaker 1: probably touched him behind his back, I don't know, and 329 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 1: he jumps out of the boat. He lobs a grenade 330 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: at the German forces. He draws his freaking broadsword, screams, 331 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 1: and then runs into the battle. Yeah. Ironically this was 332 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: known as Operation Archery. He didn't seem to employ his 333 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: his ninja silent bow skills in this one. You want 334 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: to go straight into the fray, And I mean it 335 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 1: really was kind of almost like a Kama Kaze mission. 336 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 1: You know, he was just blasting his way into the 337 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,719 Speaker 1: you know, the fray without any sense of self preservation 338 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: at all. It's really in the screaming, you know, I mean, 339 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 1: good lord. The image here is very, very visceral, and 340 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: we're not exaggerating because it turns out there's actually some 341 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: film footage that you can find of the raid and 342 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: then of Jack himself playing his bagpipes on deck after 343 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: the whole she bank. It's a very fact. Let's let's 344 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: just play. I know we're clip heavy this episode. What 345 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: do you guys want to hear this? I'm loving it? Yeah, 346 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 1: as all I look back to sew. The tell tale 347 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 1: fires plays a victory message that never can be told 348 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 1: or written, victory with a capital B, and one that 349 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: will be recorded in tulibly and all history. The intrepid 350 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 1: bagpiper who led the commandos in battle, now leads them 351 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: in a dance of joy. It's a well earned a version. 352 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: They seek a deck of cads in a friendly game. Alright, okay, 353 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: so here's what's going on this. This is an old 354 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: propaganda video. It's it's definitely worth your time to watch. 355 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: You some of you perfect strangers fans in the audience 356 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 1: may have caught the phrase dance of joy. You can 357 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 1: see the soldiers there, I would say, for for the era, 358 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 1: what they're doing is you know, you could call that 359 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 1: getting down. They're getting down. Yeah. What they're actually doing 360 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: is dancing a Highland fling, which is a very popular 361 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: dance um in Scottish culture. You know, your lock elbows, 362 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 1: you go around in a circle, a lot of fancy footwork, 363 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: famously portrayed in the Highlander films. Yes I'm kidding, not really, 364 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: but in the franchise. I think it's it's a subtext. 365 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: It may well be. Yeah, there can only be one 366 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: Highland fling. We also know that this crazy, semi suicidal 367 00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: action earned Churchill the Military Cross. He did have another 368 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:08,719 Speaker 1: close call and another semi serious injury during this time, 369 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: but it was at the it was at the party 370 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: after the battle. It's funny. There's a and then the 371 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: Vice article that we've been we've been citing. Um, they 372 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: put the word demolition expert in quotes because apparently a 373 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 1: during this party, Um, when uh, when Jack was drinking 374 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: a bottle of wine, this demolition quotation fingers expert accidentally 375 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: set off a charge. I wonder if he was drunkenly 376 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: showing off or something, bragging, bragging about his his expertise. 377 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 1: And yeah, that bottle of wine got got exploded and 378 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: shards of it were lodged in his forehead. But I mean, 379 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: as we know, it's it's gonna take a lot more 380 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 1: than a few wine shards in the skull to uh 381 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 1: to to get old Jack down. So he was back 382 00:23:55,680 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: to piping and slicing and you know, archering. Um. Very 383 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: quickly by he was in Italy for another campaign. Arching archering. 384 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: They're both sounds fun. Yeah, I don't know, bowe bowman. 385 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 1: You know he could be I don't know. I think 386 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 1: I think it would be arch archering. Yeah, arch, that 387 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 1: doesn't matter an archers, right, I don't know. Man. We 388 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: gotta to look this up. In that, let's move forward. 389 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: We'll just make up a fun make up a fun 390 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 1: phrase describing that, and and give us your pitch. So, yes, 391 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: you're correct. In nineteen forty three, he is back on 392 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: the road seeking blood and treasure in the Great War. 393 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 1: He has a reputation for being crazy at this point. 394 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: There's no other way to say it. He is incredibly 395 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: bellicose and aggressive. He is known for going on unofficial 396 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: raids and counterattacks. I think something just got his dander 397 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 1: up or his blood up, and he would he would 398 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 1: literally go through his crew or the people who are 399 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: around him. He would say things like you know you 400 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 1: you and you come with me. So we would pick 401 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: a few soldiers that he thought had grit uh and 402 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: a willingness to die. And these practices continue even when 403 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: he becomes a commanding officer leading commandos. And this is 404 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: where we get the iconic image of mad Jack. He's 405 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: got his broadsword around his waist, he's got his longbow, 406 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: and he's got arrows. He's carrying the bagpipe still, and 407 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: people who serve with him start to see him as 408 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: an icon. You know, he is like a superhero to 409 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: that word gets around when you charge screaming into battle 410 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: brandishing a broadsword when that is very much the nachronistic 411 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: weapon in those times, and like he's, oh yeah, he's 412 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: the he's the crazy nut that that shoots Nazis with arrows, 413 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, like really, his reputation absolutely preceded him. 414 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 1: So let's pause there. Let's make this, as a matter 415 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: of fact, part one of the story of mad Jack. 416 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: I like the idea of holding him for a moment 417 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: beyond time, just this image of a real life superhero, 418 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: a source of inspiration, uh, something that that rallied people. 419 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,439 Speaker 1: Just seeing this guy on the battlefield probably kept some 420 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: people going, you know, oh absolutely, I mean, you know, 421 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 1: he he didn't. It wasn't the kind of madness that 422 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 1: you know, caused people to not want to be around him. 423 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: It was the kind of madness that would rally other 424 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: people around his absolute courage and bravado and just he 425 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: was a real character, as we were going to hear 426 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: much more about in part two. Well, Germans didn't want 427 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 1: to be around him. No, Germans didn't want to be 428 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 1: around him, but he wanted to be around them, and 429 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 1: he wanted to give him a good slice, which they 430 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: clearly had come in. So what exactly happened to mad Jack? 431 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 1: What did he tell his followers to scream on the battlefield? 432 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,880 Speaker 1: And what are the other Tarantino moments of his strange, 433 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: bloody career. There's going to be quite a few, my friends, 434 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: and you'll find out when you tune in for our 435 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: next episode. In the meantime, Huge thanks super producer Casey Pegram, 436 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,719 Speaker 1: Alex Williams who composed our theme, research associate Gabe Loser 437 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: for hipping us to this incredible story of blood, treasure 438 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: and bravado. Big big thanks of course due Christopher Hasiotis 439 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: to Eve's Jeff Coach. Huge thanks as always, too Young 440 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: Quizzles a k a. The Quizzerino a k. The Quizmeister, 441 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: also known in some circles as Jonathan Stricklett. I hear 442 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: he's buying a franchise of quizz Nos sub shops. Finally good. 443 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: You know what I like about them is they they 444 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: heat the sandwich as like the de Factos starting point. 445 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: It's toasted. There's no option. You can't get an untoasted 446 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: sandwich a quiz Nos. They'd ask you to leave. Yeah, well, 447 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: you know they should, They really should. It's barbaric. Well, Jonathan, 448 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: if you're listening, don't screw that up for me. Seriously. 449 00:27:53,880 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: We'll see you next time foix. For more podcasts from 450 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: My Heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or 451 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: wherever you listen to your favorite shows.