1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know from how Stuff Works 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, 3 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: and there's Charles W Chuck Bryant and Jerry's over there, 4 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: so that makes this stuff you Should Know? Hi, how 5 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: are you feeling kind of upbeat? Positive? Well? I will 6 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: say that this topic, I felt like I was having 7 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: a panic attack researching and reading this stuff me too, 8 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: like I had noticed I was. I felt like I 9 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: couldn't breathe at some points. Yeah, it was, and we 10 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: covered a little bit of this and Worse Ways to 11 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: Die many years ago. But boy, oh boy, drowning is 12 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: no picnic. No, it's not. And one of the things 13 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: that I've always heard about drowning is that like it 14 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: was actually a very peaceful experience. I don't think that's 15 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: the case. Yeah, I don't. I don't like obviously, no 16 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: one can say for certain, but it doesn't seem to 17 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 1: be no um at all, and it seems to be like, 18 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: actually not a good way to go. Well, actually, I 19 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: mean you probably could if you um. And this is 20 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: a this is giving something away early, but one of 21 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: the possible outcomes aside from death and morbidity, which is 22 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: you develop an injury or disability because of what happened. 23 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: Aren't you on record for hating that word morbidity? Yeah, 24 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't like it. Well, my apologies. Uh, 25 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 1: and no morbidity. So you could ask someone who suffered 26 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: drowning with no morbidity, like, was it peaceful? And they'll 27 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:43,199 Speaker 1: probably be like, nope, Well that's where I got that from. 28 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: Was you know online? If you go and you got 29 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 1: to take it all with a grain of salt, because 30 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: there's plenty of fourteen year old who like to just 31 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: make stuff up. But there are you know, threads on 32 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: Reddit and other other places that basically are are supposedly 33 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: people who have survived outing, and I didn't find any 34 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: that were like, it was actually very peaceful. My brain 35 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: flooded with endorphins and I was ready to go into 36 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: the light. Instead, it was more like, you know, I 37 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: saw one that said it burned like lava, which I mean, 38 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,399 Speaker 1: if you think about it, you know, if you've ever 39 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: had something go down the wrong pipe or whatever, how 40 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: much that hurts your chest. Well, Chuck, we're here to 41 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: tell everybody that what you experienced where you took a 42 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 1: drink of coke and it went down the wrong pipe. 43 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: That was not that didn't go anywhere near your lungs. 44 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 1: That was the least of what can happen to you. 45 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: And that was it just hit your epiglottis, which is 46 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 1: that flap that converts your trachea into your esophagus. Right, Yeah, 47 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: that flap. That's like sometimes I want to work and 48 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: sometimes I want to scare you to death. Right, But 49 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:52,959 Speaker 1: zero zero coke went into your lungs and that happened 50 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 1: that that so imagine how bad that is. That was 51 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: just your epiglots. It actually gets way way worse when 52 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: you actually are drowning. And you you said something that 53 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: we really need to point out here, because there's a 54 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,839 Speaker 1: for as long as people have been drowning, basically, yeah, 55 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: since people have been people, right exactly, So for as 56 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 1: long as people have been drowning, we still have only 57 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: very recently begun to make universal definitions of what drowning is. Yeah, 58 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 1: it's two thousand two, the World Congress of Drowning. That's 59 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: a thing. Then they at least had the good sense 60 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: to hold it in Amsterdam at least so they could 61 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: get their good time on afterwards. After the meetings, they're awful. 62 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: But what they did there was they decided, hey, we 63 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: need to really codify this because three and fifty thousand 64 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: people a year die and it's the third most common 65 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: cause of accidental death around the world. So let's like 66 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: really kind of classify this stuff. So everyone's on the 67 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: same page moving forward, Yeah, because everyone wasn't on the 68 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: same page, and actually, if you follow media reports, people 69 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: still aren't on the same page. There's a lot of 70 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: a lot of um uncleared terminology that the medical community 71 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: doesn't recognize but that the media uses pretty frequently. Um. 72 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: There's pretty widespread misunderstanding that drowning is not death. It's 73 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: a way you can die, but it's actually a specific 74 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 1: type of injury that starts with your epiglottis as we'll 75 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: see um or your larynx. I'm sorry, but it's it's 76 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: it's like an injury that can happen to you that 77 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: you can die from, but you can actually have drowned 78 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: and survived. Yeah, that's you know, that's very misleading because 79 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: that's the the actual definition. But in in everyday parlance, 80 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: if you say, you know, I went to the pool 81 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: last weekend and my child drowned, and someone said oh 82 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: my god, you know another fine, right, Like, it's not 83 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 1: it's not a very fair thing to say to to 84 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 1: a friend. No it's not. But if you're following the 85 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: definition of the two thousand two World Congress of Drowning, 86 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: that would be the right thing for you to say. Yeah, 87 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: but that that kind of pedantry and just everyday conversation. 88 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 1: You should lead by saying I had a close call. 89 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: My child technically drowned according to the World Congress of Drowning, right, 90 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: and then pushing, fine, push the glasses up your nose. 91 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: It's just exactly so, Um, I gave away a little 92 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: bit here. With drowning. The whole process starts when water 93 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: or liquid comes in contact with your larynx, your voice box. 94 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: That something as far as human evolution goes something about that, Philips, 95 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 1: Your reptilian brain out and you're your motor takes over, like, 96 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: your motor instincts take over, and there's very little you 97 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 1: can do from that point on as far as conscious 98 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: thought and movement. Yeah, I mean, we'll we'll get to 99 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: that last part later. But um, you're totally right, man, 100 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: Like your body is trying to do one thing and 101 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: that is survived this experience. Um, And, like I said, 102 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: we'll get in a little more of what drowning looks like. 103 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: But during drowning, you're right that that first contact with 104 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: water and the larynx, you have that gasp initially, and 105 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: then you you are in charge for a short time 106 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: because you try and hold your breath voluntarily, But then 107 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 1: your larynx just starts spasming. And Hi, Hi hypoxemia, hypoxemia, 108 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 1: hypo xmia, hypoxemia, hypoxemia, Bet hypoxemia, No, hypoxemia, hypoxemia, that's 109 00:06:55,320 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: what I said, right, Oh my god, hypoxemia. It's funny. 110 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: I looked up a bunch of word pronunciations today, but 111 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: that one that just flew right by it. I'll tell 112 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: you when I've got down is kinsieta. Yeah, that's that's next. Right. 113 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: How about hypo e simia. Sure, Basically what that is 114 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: is decreased levels of oxygen in your bloodstream. Your body 115 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: is trying to fight that. Right, So your larynx, whether 116 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: you like it or not, your larynx has closed. You're 117 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: not breathing, You're holding your breath because your larynx is 118 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: trying to prevent liquid from going into your lungs. Right, 119 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: And So as this is going on, you're losing oxygen concentration, 120 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: and your lungs you're having a build up of c 121 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: O two. And then and I got this from a 122 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: reference to a passage from the book The Perfect Storm. 123 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: But supposedly studies have shown that after about eighty seven seconds, 124 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: your your body says is okay, to hell with this. Um, 125 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: I'm I can't spasm any longer. I'm gonna try to 126 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: take a breath. If you happen to be underwater, then 127 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: you've just taken in water. And now a whole different 128 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: set of events is happening. Right, So you're already starting 129 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: to um, to to become sluggish, to lose consciousness a 130 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: little bit from that lack of oxygen because you haven't 131 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: been breathing for say, the last almost minute and a half. 132 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: But now you've taken in water onto your lungs, and 133 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: like I said, this this changes things and it makes 134 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: it way way worse. Well. Yeah, and before that even happens, 135 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: your body becomes something called acidotic. How would you pronounce that? Uh? 136 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: That probably that way. I would actually listen to that one. 137 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,839 Speaker 1: That's okay, what is it? It's acidotic? Oh? It is, Yeah, 138 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: I actually probably would have made it a long oh yeah, 139 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: no longer apparently, Okay, well thanks for going the extra 140 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: mile on that one. I had to make up for 141 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: the last one. Um. But that's basically when like, if 142 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: that happens, it can disrupt the electrical you're you're you're 143 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: wiring to your heart and you can go into cardiac arrest. 144 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: And that's sort of near the beginning of this process, right, 145 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: So just just bookmark that, everybody, because all of this 146 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: is happening before your laying stop spasming and you open 147 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: up your airway and take a deep breath, and then 148 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: you're you If you happen to be underwater or your 149 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: mouth is just below water level, then you've just taken 150 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: in a bunch of water and your lungs not good. 151 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: So what happens when you take water into your lungs 152 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: is when you look at your um, your lungs if 153 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: you can, if you can just peer at your lungs 154 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: everyone for a second, you're going to find that they 155 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: are actually branching increasingly smaller tubes. Right. Yeah, this is 156 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: like elementary school science, Like everyone learned about the bronchi 157 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: the bronchioles that alveoli's. That was all kind of elementary 158 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: school stuff, right. The point is that the in the 159 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: alveolis or the alveola, the little tiny air sacks where 160 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: you exchange oxygen and carbon dioxide with the capillaries that 161 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: bring blood to your lungs, there's a little something called surfactant, 162 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: and it's this chemical coating around your little tiny air 163 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: sacks that allow them to open and close, which pumps 164 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: the oxygen and carbon dioxide in and out right. It 165 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: allows for gas exchange. It's a very key part of 166 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: the whole system of staying alive. Yeah, because if you're 167 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: surfactin isn't working, then that alveola can't or alveolas can't 168 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: open or close, and so you're not breathing because that's 169 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: really where the rubber meets the road when you breathe. 170 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: So if the surfactant is damaged, you can't breathe. And 171 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: when you take water into your lungs, it goes to 172 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: the end to those air sacks and it, depending on 173 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: the type of water, it messes with the surfactant one 174 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: way or another, and all of a sudden, now you 175 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 1: are not exchanging um oxygen and carbon dioxide, which you 176 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 1: weren't doing very well already for the last minute and 177 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: a half, but now the water is totally screwing up 178 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: that jam. Well. Yeah, in the case of fresh water, 179 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: and this is something I didn't know, it is different 180 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: depending on saltwater fresh water. But freshwater, if you're in 181 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: a swimming pool or a lake or something, it actually 182 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: destroys that surfactant and the alveoli collapse, right, they're just 183 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: kind of destroyed. Uh. And saltwater, Uh, it actually doesn't 184 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: destroy the surfactant, but it washes it away, which to 185 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: me is sort of like splitting hairs. It makes the 186 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: surfactant um it doesn't work anymore, no matter which way 187 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: slice it right exactly. And so there's um a couple 188 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: of different, two real differences between taking in freshwater and 189 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: taking in saltwater in your looks, because freshwater bears a 190 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: pretty strong resemblance to the water in your body and 191 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: specifically in your blood. When that water in your lungs, 192 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: it actually passes very easily from your lungs into your bloodstream. 193 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: And so what happens is the the dilution, the concentration 194 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: of water in your blood. Um, it becomes overrun with water. 195 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: So where you end up. I saw apparently one World 196 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: War two study found that people's blood or animals blood, 197 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: which I hate to think of how they found this out, 198 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: you know how they found that out. But animals blood 199 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: within three minutes had an equal part of water and 200 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: blood or whatever is not water in the blood within 201 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: three minutes, which is way more of a dilution than 202 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 1: we normally have. So you've gone from not breathing very 203 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: well because you're holding your breath to suddenly not only 204 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: are you not exchanging air, your blood is diluted within 205 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 1: like three minutes. In a fresh water drowning, yeah, you're 206 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: really disrupting the balance of of your blood and the 207 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: water in your body. Everything is just thrown out whack. 208 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: And then with saltwater, something else different happens to um 209 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: your that that saltiness in the water in your lungs 210 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: actually draws water out of your blood, so that your 211 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: blood becomes more concentrated rather than more dilute if you 212 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: drown in saltwater. The upshot of all of this is 213 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 1: you are in big trouble once water hits your lungs. Yeah, 214 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: in the case of saltwater, again in three minutes and 215 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: you know what's happening to the animals because they called 216 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: it experimental animals. So in other words, they drowned animals. 217 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: I was hoping to dance around that, but yeah, that's 218 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: what they did. That's the reality. Uh. In three minutes 219 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: with saltwater, experimental animals lost of their normal, normal water 220 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: volume in their blood. Yeah, it's just thickened, which can't 221 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: feel good. The thing is, is it took. It takes 222 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: like from when I saw eight minutes to die. This 223 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: is actually as as bad as that sounds. This is 224 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: actually a less quickly fatal process than what happens to 225 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: you with ushwater in your lungs. But get this, Chuck, 226 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: here's where drowning gets really odd. You can die of 227 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: drowning without a single drop of water ever touching your lungs. 228 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: That sounds like a good place to take a break. 229 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: Oh are we going to cliffhanger? This? It's just mamma, jamma. 230 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: I think we should hang it off the cliff. Okay, 231 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: let's do it all right, We'll be right back, man, Chuck. 232 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: Good call, because even I'm like a little on the 233 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: edge of my seat and I know it's coming next, 234 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: and you know how this thing ends. Yeah, well, you're 235 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: exactly right. You don't have to uh like that can happen. 236 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: But to d round and die, you don't need to 237 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: be the TV or movie drowning where you're where you're 238 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: floating in the water, you're fully submerged, right, you went 239 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: down with the ship or something like that. Yeah, I 240 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: mean there's They used to call it dry drowning in 241 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: in the media. They still call it dry drowning. It 242 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: was coined in the nineteen seventies. But those are drowning 243 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: deaths in which the larynx spasmed from exposure to water, 244 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: but they died from asphyxiation. No water entered the lungs, 245 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: and it's very it makes sense to call it dry drowning. 246 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: But the CDC and everyone else basically said this, this 247 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: is just drowning. It's drowning. Just because there's not water 248 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: in your lungs doesn't mean you didn't drown, right, because 249 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: whether it's the water in your lungs or the um, 250 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: the fact that you haven't been breathing, you're dying from asphyxiation, 251 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: and it's a water related asphyxiation, right, correct, But it 252 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: doesn't have to be water in your lungs. But that 253 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: happens to something like ten to people who um, who 254 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: die of drown Yeah, they don't have any any water 255 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: in their lungs whatsoever. They just they died before their 256 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: layering stopped spasm ing. Yeah, and there's there have been 257 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: some really sad cases. This one this referenced in the 258 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: article you sent just last year. In two thousand seventeen, 259 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: a four year old boy in Texas was knocked over 260 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: by wave just playing out in the ocean, like knee 261 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: deep in water. His head did go under for a 262 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: few seconds, but dad brings him out of the water. 263 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: The kid recovers, He gets smacked on the butt and 264 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: goes off in plays and everything seems fine. Over the 265 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: next few days, he um. They think he has the 266 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: stomach flu. He complains of a pain in his shoulder, 267 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: and the parents did not get him to the doctor 268 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: fast enough and he died in his sleep. And then 269 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: doctors found a very small amount of water in his lungs. Yeah, 270 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: apparently it doesn't take much something like um that most 271 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: drowning victims have something like four ccs per kilogram of 272 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: water in their lungs. So if you're a kid who 273 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: weighs fifty pounds, that's three ounces of water. Her right 274 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: to die from that, right. But the thing that scared everybody, 275 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: scared the but Jesus out of parents everywhere about this 276 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 1: poor kid named Frankie Delgado. Um, he died like days 277 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: after he had his drowning incident. Right, No one knew 278 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: that could happen. And this is one of the ways 279 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: the media is not helping things. They call this dry 280 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: drowning too. That was never even called dry drowning. This 281 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: one is called secondary drowning. But again, if you go 282 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: to like the c d C or the World Health Organization, 283 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: they're like those those don't exist. Stop calling him that 284 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: it's it's drowning and you can actually die of drowning 285 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 1: days afterward. But the thing that was really misreported about 286 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: Frankie Delgado and then other kids like him, is that 287 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: it gives the impression that, you know, Dad picked him up, 288 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: spanked him on the bottom, and he went along his 289 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: way and he was totally fine. Then all of a 290 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 1: sudden drops dead three days later. That's not how it works. You. 291 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: The kids starts, their health starts to decline, and usually 292 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 1: in cases where this is happening, where it's like a 293 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: delayed drowning death. Um. They their health declines very obviously 294 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: within two or three hours of the incident, and it's 295 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: really bad. It's like they become sluggish because they're becoming hypoxic. Um, 296 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 1: they throw up a lot, they vomit a lot, they 297 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: might defecate themselves. Um, they just their behavior changes. It's 298 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 1: very obvious that something's very wrong with them. But the 299 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: problem is his Most parents don't say, oh, yeah, my 300 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: kid took in some water in the pool. It's a 301 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: day before, and they don't think to to They just think, 302 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: like Frankie Delgado's parents did that, it's a stomach bug 303 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: or something like that, when in fact they're actually dying 304 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: from drowning right in front of their very eyes. Yeah. 305 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 1: It's like the the head injury that you die of 306 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 1: a week later, um, because of whatever, some kind of 307 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: internal hemorrhaging that you don't even know what's going on. Right, Yeah, 308 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 1: it is very much like that, right, yes, right, she 309 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: died like a ski accident, right, yeah. Natasha Richardson and 310 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: I I didn't look it up, but I know it 311 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: was it was not that day. Oh, I didn't know that. 312 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: I don't know how many days later it was. But 313 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: the same kind of thing where UM, there's a there's 314 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: something going on in the body because of an incident 315 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: that you don't realize that's going on. And in UH, 316 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: in this kid's case, I think his uh, he had 317 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: a DIMA. Right, his lung tissues started um swelling right swell, 318 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: and they could no longer like a collapse, a little 319 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: a v O like collapse that the gas exchange wasn't 320 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 1: going on, and so he had a decrease in oxygen 321 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: and an increase in CEO two. And that's what you 322 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 1: ultimately die from from drowning right, Right, But you can 323 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:46,719 Speaker 1: also get injured UM. Brain damage is usually the major complication. 324 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: If you don't die from drowning UM, you can have 325 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: that tissue damage in your lungs. You can get pneumonia 326 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 1: or something called a r d S acute respiratory distress syndrome. Right. 327 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,479 Speaker 1: And there's also usually a code well not usually, but 328 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 1: it's frequently there's a code morbidity with a drowning UM, 329 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 1: which is like a head or neck injury, a spinal 330 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: injury that if you dive into the shallow into the 331 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: pool and you break your neck you're gonna start drowning 332 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: like immediately because you just lost consciousness and you're underwater. 333 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: Um So there's, as we'll see in talking about treating drowning, 334 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: you wanna you want to be aware that there's a 335 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: good possibility that the person's neck is not quite right. 336 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 1: Um So, here's one other thing that I knew before, 337 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: but I had learned at one point and it really 338 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: opened my eyes. Every every representation of drowning I've ever 339 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: seen in any movie, on every TV show, in every book, 340 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 1: in every song about drowning, there they they got it wrong. 341 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: It's just wrong. It doesn't look anything like what we've 342 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: all been led to believe. It looks like or sounds like, well, yeah, 343 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: I mean that is true if you are actually drowning. 344 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 1: But what you're talking about that you usually see in 345 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 1: the movies if they end up getting pulled out of 346 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 1: water and they're fine. It's just called aquatic distress. So 347 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 1: when you're splashing around and yelling, you aren't drowning at 348 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: that point. No, you're you could call it pre drowning. Yeah, 349 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: it's aquatic distress. That means you're you can't swim, you're panicking, 350 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: and you feel like I'm in big trouble, So you're 351 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: waving your arms and screaming when you actually start drowning. 352 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: This guy named Francesco A Pia, he's a PhD. He 353 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: defined what's called the instinctive drowning response, which is nothing 354 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: like you see in the movies. It's very quiet, and 355 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: your body, like we mentioned earlier, your body's instinct kicks 356 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: into gear and it's not trying to wait for help 357 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: or yell. It's just trying to survive and get another 358 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: breath and keep that face above water. Right. It's it's 359 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: like all hands are on deck to keep your you 360 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 1: upright in the water. That's the literally, all hands are 361 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 1: on deck if the deck is the water, right you know. Yeah, no, 362 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: that's true. That's why I said it. So the thing is, though, Chuck, 363 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: with that aquatic distress thing, it doesn't always precede drowning 364 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: so much so that drowning can come on without aquatic distress. 365 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: And people are so conditioned to think of drowning as 366 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: aquatic distress or vice versa, that there's this is about 367 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 1: the most heartbreaking thing I've ever heard. There are kids 368 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: who will drown a substantial amount of kids who drowned, 369 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: drown within twenty five yards of a parent or whoever 370 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: is supposed to be watching them, and a significant portion 371 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: of those kids drown with the parent or or supervising 372 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: adult actually watching them drown and not realizing what they're 373 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: seeing because it doesn't look like what they think drowning 374 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: looks like. I wouldn't overstated, but yeah, ten percent of 375 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: the parents actually watched this happening, right, So this is 376 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: this is what drowning looks like. Right. If you you're 377 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: not going to once the once drowning starts, if they've 378 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: gone through aquatic distress, once the drowning starts, you are um. 379 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: You have your head, your mouth is about at water level, 380 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,360 Speaker 1: and you can't call out for help because there's one 381 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 1: of two things going on. Either you are trying to 382 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 1: catch your breath every time your mouth comes above water, 383 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,400 Speaker 1: and it's happening so infrequently that all you can do 384 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: is work on inhaling and exhaling, or your larynx is 385 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,719 Speaker 1: spasm ng and you're not breathing at all. And if 386 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 1: you're not breathing at all, you you obviously physiologically can't 387 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: shout or speak or do anything. But either way you're 388 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: not um. You're not able to shout or yell or 389 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: call for help or say anything. Yeah. I mean the 390 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: way I read it though, is it's not like you're 391 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: working on breathing. You have no choice in the matter. Yeah, 392 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: Like your body has taken over, and it's not like 393 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I need to get my breath. You're you. 394 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 1: You may want to yell, right, but your body is 395 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: saying no. Breathing is speeches secondary in this whole situation. 396 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,239 Speaker 1: We need, we need to get you to breathe ye 397 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: and then um. Very similarly, your body you're not on. 398 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 1: You can't control your arms any longer. Whatever you want 399 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: to do with your arms, you can't. All you can 400 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: do is kind of flap at the water, and the 401 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: whole point of that is to keep your head above 402 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: water as much as possible. One thing that I saw 403 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 1: it chuck that I don't know if you've figured out. 404 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 1: I can't figure it out. But one of the things 405 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: about the instinctive drowning responses, you're not kicking, You're just 406 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: using your arms. I don't get that at all. Yeah, 407 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: I mean, it says no evidence of a supporting kick. 408 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: I'm I don't know about that. It just seems weird 409 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: that your body would be like, oh, yeah, let's get 410 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 1: the legs in on this too, and maybe that'll actually 411 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: help keep us above water, and that's kind of the 412 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,360 Speaker 1: most important part of treading water. I wonder also if 413 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 1: it be if it's because as you're you're getting a 414 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 1: lower concentration of oxygen and you're becoming a little more sluggish. 415 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: Kicking your legs is actually harder than flapping your arms, 416 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: so you just can't, like your muscles won't do it. 417 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's weird. It seems like that would 418 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: be part of that natural instinct. Um. I would think 419 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 1: so too. But another part of the fact that you 420 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: can't control your arms is that if somebody holds a 421 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 1: pole out right in front of your hand, you can't 422 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 1: say hand grab pole. Um, you can't grab like a 423 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: lifesaver ring like there's you you can't do anything but 424 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,479 Speaker 1: flap your arms up and down. And you're not doing that. 425 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: Your your body has taken over. And this is this 426 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 1: instinctive response that dr P is talking about. Yeah, and 427 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: when they say you're not using your legs, that you're 428 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: completely vertical in water. Um, I don't know. That's the 429 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: part that doesn't make sense to me. You can still 430 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,120 Speaker 1: be vertical in water and like you know, dreading water 431 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: and kicking. Yeah, I don't understand it either. Yeah, maybe 432 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: someone can fill us in on that one. So, um, 433 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 1: this this whole instinctive drowning response. Supposedly the most people 434 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,439 Speaker 1: can last between twenty and sixty seconds of doing this 435 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 1: basically bobbing and using every bit of your strength to 436 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: to get your mouth above water. But eventually you start 437 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 1: to lose that battle and your mouth comes above water 438 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 1: less and less frequently, and then eventually you you were submerged. 439 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 1: And if you are if you see somebody whose head 440 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: is low in the water and they um, their mouth 441 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 1: is is at water level and their eyes are closed, 442 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: or they're just kind of blank and glassy, or their 443 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 1: hair is over their eyes, you're looking at drowning person 444 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: and you want to help them. Yeah. I thought that 445 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: hair over the eyes was interesting because there must be 446 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: just an immediate response when you get out of water 447 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 1: to wipe the hair from your eyes. Think about how 448 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 1: annoying it is. What's gotta be it. So if you 449 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: see someone come out like the creature of the Black Lagoon, 450 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,919 Speaker 1: that's not a good sign. Yep. If they're gasping and 451 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: they're doing this, that's another one too. If they're trying 452 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 1: to swim but they're not actually moving anywhere really, or 453 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,439 Speaker 1: if they're trying to roll over on their back and 454 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 1: they're unsuccessful, these are all signs of drowning. Yeah, I 455 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: mean that was a lifeguard for a few years, and it's, um, 456 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: I think you're and they tell you in class. You 457 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: know that you're used to the movies, and um, you 458 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: gotta really keep your eyes out. You can't just be 459 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: flirting with the girls. Oh yeah, uh, waiting for someone 460 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 1: to yell and scream because they're kicking in in aquatic distress. 461 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 1: You have to keep your eyes peel. A good lifeguard 462 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: is very vigilant. Well, I remember hearing that that. Like, 463 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: you know, when they interview most lifeguards about, you know, 464 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 1: somebody who drowned in their pool, they're like, they had 465 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: no idea, they were there second and then they were 466 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: gone and I didn't even notice. It didn't make a sound, 467 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: you know. So yeah, you just hit the nail and head. 468 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: Whether you're a lifeguard or whether you're a mom or 469 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:12,120 Speaker 1: dad or oh pair or whoever, Um, your focus has 470 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 1: to be on the person in the pool that you're 471 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: you're in charge of. Should we take a break, Yeah, 472 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 1: all right, we'll come back. We'll talk about what to 473 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 1: do and how to treat a drowning victim if you 474 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: are so unlucky. All right, So let's say someone has drowned. Um, 475 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: let's just say you're at a pool, just to make 476 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: this easy, because that's kind of best case scenario. Because 477 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: it's contained, there is usually some sort of rescue equipment 478 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: on hand. Um, it's not like you're on the beach 479 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: and you're like, I need a defribulator. Yeah, most pools 480 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: have this kind of stuff. Now, Plus you can also 481 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: see the bottom. There's not usually like an underwater hazard 482 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: or anything like that. It is about a best case scenario. Yeah. 483 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: So the a h A, the American Heart Association said that, um, 484 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: if possible, like if you're not by yourself, do the 485 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: do the common sense thing, which is to send one 486 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: person for help or to call mine one one. Uh. 487 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: These days with phones everywhere, it's it's I'm sure increased 488 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: response times. But uh, and if you have a defribulator, 489 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: go get that thing or have you know, have your 490 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: have your buddy, do it bring it to the victim's side, 491 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,719 Speaker 1: um assess the situation, like are they breathing? Do they 492 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: have a pulse? Uh? And this is one of the 493 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: few situations they point out where because I know we 494 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: covered CPR and the hands only CPR is kind of 495 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: what's recommended now, but that is not the case with drowning. No, 496 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: apparently you still want to do mouth to mouth, is 497 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: how I took that right? Yeah, think so, which has 498 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: never made sense to me, because if you're blowing into 499 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: somebody's mouth, aren't you blowing carbon dioxide into their body? 500 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: What's the point of that? Is it just to get 501 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: the lungs opening and closing. I don't know, maybe I've 502 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: never understood that, Yeah, because I don't think it's I 503 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: think that's the case, Like it's not saying your body 504 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: needs CEO two. I think your lungs need to be 505 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: expanding and contracting. It's been a while though, since I lifeguarded. Yeah, 506 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 1: but I mean, and it used to be like, yeah, 507 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: you do chest compressions in the mouth to mouth, and 508 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: then they said, no, just do chest compressions. So I 509 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: was surprised to see that with drowning, there like do 510 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: both they're back with that, and then also don't forget 511 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: while you're doing all this, keep in mind that the 512 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: person's neck might need to be supported or kept at 513 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: a certain straight angle. Um, because they may have injured 514 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: themselves that may have caused the drowning to begin with. Yeah, 515 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: like if they dove in or whatever. Right, So, if 516 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: they're breathing but they're not awake, then roll them over 517 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: on their side, because you know they might vomit and 518 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: and affixiate that way, which, um, you know the way 519 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: Bond Scott went out, and I believe some other rock 520 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: stars have gone out that way. John Bonham, Janice Joplin. 521 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: Oh did they all affixiate from vomit? Yeah? Really, I 522 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: don't know. I was just trying to think of musician 523 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: least likely to asphyxiate on his own vomit. Well, I 524 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: think that's uh Benny Goodman, Yeah, yeah, yeah, although he parted, 525 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: did he? I'm just speaking countrary? Okay, we have to 526 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: lightnessing up a little bit, right. I know, it's it's 527 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: hard looking for jokes in here. It's tough. So let's see, 528 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: you've got somebody who's breathing but but unconscious. Roll them 529 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: on their side. Uh, somebody who's not breathing and doesn't 530 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: have a pulse, you do EPR. You want them the 531 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: e m s to get there as fast as possible. 532 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 1: But CPR for you know, whether it's a heart attack 533 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: or whether it's a drowning. If you can do CPR, 534 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: you can prolong the amount of time it takes for 535 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: the e m s to get there. You're just staving 536 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: off like irreversible damage by by doing it at the 537 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: very least Chess compressions. Absolutely. So. One thing that um 538 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: I did not know that I ran across Chuck is 539 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: there's actually a tremendous amount of racial disparities when it 540 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: comes to drowning. UM there are far greater numbers of 541 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: UM African Americans and this is the US strictly African Americans, 542 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: and then Native Americans and Alaskan Natives who drown compared 543 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 1: to white kids. And depending on the venue in the 544 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: age group, it can actually get shocking how how great 545 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: the differences. Yeah, between the age range of eleven to 546 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: twelve years old, UM African Americans drowned in swimming pools 547 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: ten times the rate of white kids ten times. And 548 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: this is something I did know because the pool I lifeguarded, 549 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: where a lifeguarded for three years was uh majority African 550 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: American kids, and they you know, we got not special training, 551 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: but we got um we were told that by the 552 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: lifeguard company. Like it was a huge lifeguard company that 553 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: supplied lifeguards all over the city exactly, so at my 554 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: pool and pools like that, they you know, we had 555 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: a little breakout sessions for us. We were like, hey, listen, 556 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: it is a systemic thing in this country where little 557 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: black kids don't learn how to swim as often. And 558 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,239 Speaker 1: you know, the CDC has done studies and there's a 559 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: professor in Montana named Jeff Whilst who wrote Contested Waters 560 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: Colon a Social History of Swimming Pools in America, And 561 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: it all makes perfect sense. Because of discrimination and segregation. 562 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: When swimming pools and recreational swimming and sports swimming started 563 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 1: to come around, these black families couldn't go to the pools, 564 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 1: so they didn't take swim lessons, they didn't learn how 565 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 1: to swim. If your grandparents didn't learn how to swim, 566 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 1: then there what is it like? I think they even 567 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: have a stat you have a thirteen percent chance to 568 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 1: take swimming lessons and learn how to swim if your 569 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: parents did not, only a thirteen percent chance, right, So 570 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: let's just passed down. Yeah, And it's just odd that 571 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: it coincided where a surge and popularity of pools and 572 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: swimming in America coincided with two of the um times 573 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: when segregation was most strictly enforced in America, to the 574 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: twenties and thirties and the fifties and sixties, and so yeah, 575 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: as a result, African Americans missed out on swimming, and 576 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: and it's intergenerational and passed down still to this day, um, 577 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:02,319 Speaker 1: among African American families. Not all of them obviously, but um, 578 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: there are plenty out there who are like, I don't 579 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: know how to swim, and I'm very much afraid that 580 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 1: if I get you near a pool, you're going to drown. 581 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 1: So I don't even want you taking swimming lessons because 582 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: I don't want to mess with that kind of thing. 583 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: And so, like you said, it becomes intergenerational. Yeah, And 584 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 1: there are plenty of programs now, thankfully. Uh. And even 585 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,439 Speaker 1: when I was lifeguarding, you know, a thousand years ago, um, 586 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: plenty of programs to try and give reduced rate or 587 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,399 Speaker 1: free swimming lessons in communities like that and basically get 588 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,799 Speaker 1: every get everyone trained up swimming lessons help. It is 589 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,359 Speaker 1: one of the ways to prevent drownings is knowing how 590 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,239 Speaker 1: to swim. Yeah, it sounds like a no brainer. It does. 591 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: But you can drown even when you can swim. So 592 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: that's the reason they point out that one of the 593 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: best ways to prevent drowning is learning how to swim. Right, 594 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 1: it is. But they also make a very big point 595 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 1: if once your kid knows how to swim, you can't 596 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 1: just be like, oh, you're fine, you go to the 597 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,439 Speaker 1: pool by yourself, like the this this one article put 598 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,439 Speaker 1: it like, learning to swim doesn't drown proof your kid. 599 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 1: Something like a quarter of deaths by drowning are from 600 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,799 Speaker 1: kids who knew how to swim or people who knew 601 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 1: how to swim. So, um, it's good to know how 602 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 1: to swim, and it probably will help at some point, 603 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,240 Speaker 1: like anytime you get into a pool, but it doesn't 604 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: drown proof for you, and you need to also be 605 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 1: smart in other ways to Yeah, I mean, we're literally 606 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 1: right in the middle of swim lessons for our daughter 607 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,879 Speaker 1: and um, at you know, approaching three years old and 608 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 1: it's tough man. She's she doesn't like getting her face 609 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: in the water. So there's a that's just smart. Well, yeah, 610 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 1: that's a good instinct probably, but not when you're trying 611 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 1: to teach your kid how to swim. That's problematic. So 612 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 1: it's a slow process in our case. Other kids, um 613 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 1: take to it like a duck in the water as 614 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 1: they say, yeah, I I did. I still remember taking 615 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: swim lessons, and I was a pretty little kid myself, 616 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: but I remember. I remember. The one thing I hated 617 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: about swim lessons is that that came I had to 618 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: leave in the middle of Thunder the Barbarian on Saturday 619 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 1: Morning Cartoons, so I never really got to watch a 620 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 1: single full episode of Thunder. Then the other thing I 621 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: remember is realizing that as I was swimming towards the 622 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:26,320 Speaker 1: swim instructor, I wasn't getting any closer. And it finally 623 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,600 Speaker 1: dawned on me. I was like, you're moving further away 624 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 1: that old trick, and she was like, no, I'm not. 625 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 1: And suddenly I was like there, you know. Um, But 626 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,839 Speaker 1: I remember being like, oh, there's such a thing as 627 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,919 Speaker 1: guile in deception. I had no idea. Now I learned 628 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: it thanks to my swim instructor. Yeah. My deal was, 629 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 1: I was terrified of swimming and swim class. What were 630 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:56,399 Speaker 1: you terrified about drowning? Oh? Were you okay? Um? Yeah, 631 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 1: I just my brother and sister went to swim class. 632 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 1: They learned how to swim. I refused. I was really scared. 633 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 1: I would not go out of the shallow in for 634 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,319 Speaker 1: many years. I know I was a little scaredy cat. 635 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 1: But I my mom, I remember very distinctly when I 636 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 1: was I guess I was like, I was kind of 637 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: old man, I was like six years old. And she 638 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 1: she didn't threaten me, but she said, hey, listen, you're 639 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:26,399 Speaker 1: gonna take swim lessons. Uh, in like July. It's you've 640 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 1: got to learn how to swim. And this was uh 641 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 1: and I'm making updates, but let's say it was July. 642 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 1: And then in June we went to visit my grandparents, 643 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,439 Speaker 1: whose neighborhood of pool, and we were doing that thing 644 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,880 Speaker 1: where you hold on to the edge of the pool 645 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:42,880 Speaker 1: to get a bunch of kids and go around and 646 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,440 Speaker 1: around and create like a little whirlpool. And I remember 647 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 1: very distinctly taking my hands off earlier and earlier and 648 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,880 Speaker 1: taught myself to swim that day cool and it was 649 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,719 Speaker 1: because it was kind of a current and people in 650 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 1: front of me and behind me, and I just started 651 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,719 Speaker 1: didn't go a little sooner and a little sooner in 652 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 1: the deep end, and before you know what, I was 653 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:08,400 Speaker 1: doing a very rudimentary dog paddle and that led to 654 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,919 Speaker 1: very poor swimming, which I still still have today. Were 655 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 1: you swimming around and you're like self taught, Yeah at 656 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 1: his at his t shirt that had self taught back 657 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,319 Speaker 1: off swimmer. I'm still not a good swimmer. I mean, 658 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,239 Speaker 1: I can swim fine, but I'm not as far as 659 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: swimming strokes and proper swimming, I'm terrible. I I can 660 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,799 Speaker 1: do a swimming stroke, it's not any good, but I 661 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 1: can do the technique of it. But I was on 662 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,920 Speaker 1: a swim team and see I never was. It was 663 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,840 Speaker 1: the worst swim team in the league and I was 664 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:45,320 Speaker 1: the worst member of the team. Yes, so, um swimmer 665 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 1: in the county, that was your nickname. My worst was 666 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 1: pretty much. My worst was the backstroke, and um, the 667 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,520 Speaker 1: coaches would always put me in a back stret could 668 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 1: be like, please don't like, why are you doing this? 669 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 1: And now, as a grown up by note, because they 670 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,399 Speaker 1: were just like, we're losing anyway, We're go to watch 671 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 1: Josh do the backstroke. Every time I did the backstroke, 672 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 1: I would end up like two lanes over. Yeah, and 673 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 1: when I bumped to the other kid, they would inevitably 674 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 1: stand up, and so we'd both be disqualified because I 675 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,480 Speaker 1: couldn't stay in my own lane. And then the coaches 676 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:23,600 Speaker 1: just thought that was hilarious. Yeah, I was never on 677 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,400 Speaker 1: a swim team, and that's where you learned how to 678 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,440 Speaker 1: do it properly, you know. I mean I can I 679 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,279 Speaker 1: can ape those strokes from watching the Olympics, but um, 680 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,360 Speaker 1: it's it's nothing close to I mean, I can't do 681 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 1: butterfly obviously, because I'll teach you this summer. Okay, butterfly 682 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:41,200 Speaker 1: is definitely the hardest man. But the breaststroke, it's nice. 683 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,920 Speaker 1: It's a good it's a good stroke. I'm gonna I'm 684 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,799 Speaker 1: I'm teaching you to swim this summer some some strokes. Okay, Yeah, 685 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,840 Speaker 1: I mean I can do a rudimentary breaststroke, but it 686 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 1: looks more like I'm just kind of bobbing up and down. 687 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 1: I'm really not going very far. Yeah, but once you, 688 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 1: once you, if you do it you're like, oh, this 689 00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 1: is what it's supposed to feel like. I know what 690 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,200 Speaker 1: you're talking about it. I've had that sensation before too. 691 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: But you're just like a like a frog that ain't 692 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:09,560 Speaker 1: quite right, you know. All right, So here's some other 693 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,239 Speaker 1: handy rules. Um, if you have a newborn or a 694 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,960 Speaker 1: toddler or anybody anyone basically up to about four um, 695 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:21,200 Speaker 1: they say to uh, they call it touch supervision. So like, 696 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,480 Speaker 1: never be more than an arm link away because it 697 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,200 Speaker 1: can happen very fast in a swimming pool and a bathtub. 698 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,080 Speaker 1: Get off your cell phone, put down your Marie Claire 699 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,399 Speaker 1: and your Red Book, and your Reader's Digest or your 700 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 1: Men's Health Sure or your Bodybuilders Weekly or your Mad magazine. 701 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,240 Speaker 1: Pay attention to your kid. Uh. If you have a pool, 702 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,560 Speaker 1: you need to have that thing fenced in or even 703 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:56,520 Speaker 1: better these days they have those excellent. Um. It's not 704 00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: a hard top, but it's between hard and the little 705 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,120 Speaker 1: soft up that that are retractable. So you get out 706 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,040 Speaker 1: and you go inside and you can you can cover 707 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,319 Speaker 1: that pool right up. Yeah, although I think by law 708 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:12,440 Speaker 1: you have to have a fence around, like four sided fence, um, 709 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 1: with like a self closing gate that also self latches too. Yeah, 710 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 1: and you have to grease it with crisco so little 711 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,879 Speaker 1: kids can't climb it. Well, you do that anyway, right, 712 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,480 Speaker 1: but it is it's fun to watch him try. You 713 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 1: should learn CPR. You should have all the little life 714 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,839 Speaker 1: saving implements at your pool. Oh another one I had 715 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,680 Speaker 1: not thought about this, but if you have a pool, 716 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,359 Speaker 1: you want to have a landline too, because you need 717 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,320 Speaker 1: to keep a phone that works right by your pool 718 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,960 Speaker 1: at all times. Yes, you need to be like Thurston 719 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,600 Speaker 1: Howell and have a pool that made out of a 720 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,040 Speaker 1: clamshell that a guy in a in a white tuxedo 721 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,840 Speaker 1: can bring over and sit down on a side table, 722 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:59,360 Speaker 1: or like Hunter Thompson at the Beverly Hills Hotel. I 723 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,080 Speaker 1: need bring up or Thompson at some point in this. 724 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,719 Speaker 1: One other thing I want to say to also, if 725 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 1: your kid has like an episode that looks like a 726 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:12,879 Speaker 1: close call to you, but they seem fine, then yes, 727 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,359 Speaker 1: keep an eye on them for that the idea that 728 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,400 Speaker 1: they could conceivably have drowned and they could be developing symptoms. 729 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,000 Speaker 1: And if they start to develop any symptoms and take 730 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,320 Speaker 1: them to the e R and the e R doctors 731 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,880 Speaker 1: will very kindly listen to their lungs to see if 732 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:31,280 Speaker 1: they hear any water. Easy peasy, right. At the same time, 733 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,360 Speaker 1: don't freak out, Like if your kid just coughs and 734 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:38,200 Speaker 1: sputters a little bit and they're fine and they don't 735 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 1: develop any symptoms at all, they're fine most likely, right, 736 00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,200 Speaker 1: But it does pay to be vigilant, and it's it's 737 00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,480 Speaker 1: it is better safe than sorry. Just don't be terrified 738 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,000 Speaker 1: if you're your kid. You know, as long as they 739 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,400 Speaker 1: didn't have anything that you could be like that was 740 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:57,520 Speaker 1: kind of a drowning episode that just happened. Um, you're 741 00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,760 Speaker 1: probably in the clear. Yeah, it's it's a rare case 742 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,640 Speaker 1: that kid in Texas, but because it does happen, keep 743 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,680 Speaker 1: an eye out for sure. On the other hand, though 744 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,240 Speaker 1: the media like talking about this stuff, supposedly is saved 745 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,239 Speaker 1: at least one other kid's life. Um from the publicity 746 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,880 Speaker 1: that went on that case, that that it happened to 747 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,960 Speaker 1: another kid later on and the parents had heard about 748 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,080 Speaker 1: this and took their kid into the e R and 749 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:25,200 Speaker 1: saved saved her life. I believe. There you have it. Um, 750 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,239 Speaker 1: you also don't necessarily just drown in a pool either. No, 751 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,879 Speaker 1: I mean this stuff is horrifying. The thought of an 752 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:39,600 Speaker 1: infant drowning and a dog water bowl is a nightmare scenario. Yeah, 753 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:45,680 Speaker 1: dropped um, dog water bowl, open cooler that has melted ice, um, toilets, 754 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,480 Speaker 1: cleaning bucket, anything that can hold something like one inch 755 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:54,160 Speaker 1: of water is um is is enough to drown and 756 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,600 Speaker 1: an infant and possibly a toddler, I think too. Um 757 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:04,080 Speaker 1: cars people drowning cars as well. Bathtubs are actually another one. 758 00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:08,520 Speaker 1: So get this man. So usually, uh, people who drown 759 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,959 Speaker 1: in bathtubs are infants, are the elderly. Um. But there's 760 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,440 Speaker 1: a lot of adults who drown in bathtubs and specifically 761 00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:21,000 Speaker 1: hot tubs. Did you know about this well, I mean, yeah, 762 00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,520 Speaker 1: you get a little drunk, you're stand up too fast, 763 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,560 Speaker 1: and you're dizzy from the temperature. It's not good and 764 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,239 Speaker 1: it's not a good combo. No, And that's supposedly what 765 00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,520 Speaker 1: happened to Orville Reddenbocker. He was in a hot bath 766 00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,920 Speaker 1: and suffered a heart attack and ended up drowning. Whinney 767 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,399 Speaker 1: Houston died in a bathtub. And I think every year 768 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,280 Speaker 1: in the US about three hundred and thirty people drowning 769 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:48,680 Speaker 1: their bathtub in a year. It seems like a normal amount, right, Yeah. 770 00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,120 Speaker 1: I guess how many die in bathtubs in Japan in 771 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:58,120 Speaker 1: a year? How many? Fourteen thousand? Why? I don't know. 772 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,560 Speaker 1: I think they take more hot bath They have the 773 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,279 Speaker 1: soaker tubs too, Yeah, as part of it's like part 774 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,600 Speaker 1: of the culture. That's the only thing I can think of. 775 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,239 Speaker 1: Because they also have like one third of the population 776 00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:13,360 Speaker 1: of the US too, that's a lot of drowning deaths 777 00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:18,759 Speaker 1: and bathtubs man. Man. Yeah, well they did say too, 778 00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,120 Speaker 1: like more people die in Florida in car drownings just 779 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:27,960 Speaker 1: because there are more waterfront roadways. And then earlier when 780 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,920 Speaker 1: we talked about the racial aspect the whole deal, we 781 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,600 Speaker 1: kind of just kind of flew past it. But Native 782 00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:38,600 Speaker 1: Alaskans and indigenous people's um died more than white people 783 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,160 Speaker 1: because they are more often in bodies of water that 784 00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:46,000 Speaker 1: are probably far away and have logs and rocks and 785 00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:50,760 Speaker 1: things underneath, so they they have more exposure to natural 786 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:56,040 Speaker 1: bodies of water than the average American. Yeah, you got 787 00:46:56,040 --> 00:47:00,080 Speaker 1: anything else, Nope, Well that's drowning. Hopefully we helped in 788 00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,879 Speaker 1: some way because summer's coming, Okay, that's right, And I'm 789 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,319 Speaker 1: going to teach you the breaststroke. Sweet. If you want 790 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,960 Speaker 1: to know more about drowning, you can type that sad 791 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,480 Speaker 1: said word into the search bar at how stuff works 792 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,080 Speaker 1: and it'll bring up something. And since I said that 793 00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:19,520 Speaker 1: it's time for listener mail, I'm gonna call this first 794 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,359 Speaker 1: thing I just pulled up on my phone right here. 795 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:26,000 Speaker 1: Look at that nice But it's about the Steve Miller 796 00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:30,399 Speaker 1: band and peaches. Remember the emojis episode. One of us 797 00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,239 Speaker 1: probably you, I didn't say Steve Miller, I said, all 798 00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:39,000 Speaker 1: my brothers, Oh well, he said, someone mentioned the line 799 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,480 Speaker 1: from Steve Miller band, I really like your peaches. I 800 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,279 Speaker 1: want to shake your tree. Didn't one of us not 801 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,879 Speaker 1: mentioned that. Now this person is out of their mind. 802 00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,920 Speaker 1: Well he has an email. Regardless, we all love the 803 00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,279 Speaker 1: Steve Miller ban. Uh. Now, this story is probably not true, 804 00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,600 Speaker 1: but I want you to believe it. Back in college, 805 00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,319 Speaker 1: when my youngest daughter was born, I was driving a 806 00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,240 Speaker 1: delivery truck for a small auto parts company. I worked 807 00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:07,040 Speaker 1: with this old guy and he was probably like forty two. Uh, 808 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:11,279 Speaker 1: and his stories. Uh. I worked with this old guy. 809 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,759 Speaker 1: He's probably like forty two. That's me talking. So one 810 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,319 Speaker 1: time he told me that he worked in this auto 811 00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,840 Speaker 1: shop years ago and it was owned by this husband 812 00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,279 Speaker 1: and wife. Uh, and he had played bass for a 813 00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,600 Speaker 1: little while with Steve Miller band and her name was Peaches, 814 00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,680 Speaker 1: his wife. So the story was that the line from 815 00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,160 Speaker 1: Steve Miller really like your peaches want to shake your tree, 816 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:37,560 Speaker 1: was Steve Miller taunting his own bass player. Mean, he says, 817 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if he's true, but the story is like, 818 00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,920 Speaker 1: it rang true enough. So I like to think that 819 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,919 Speaker 1: somewhere there's a couple that owns an auto parts parts 820 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,800 Speaker 1: store in Arizona and uh to stick it to Steve Miller, 821 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:52,799 Speaker 1: who doesn't want to stick it to Steve Miller, you know. 822 00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:57,400 Speaker 1: And that's from Jared Dude. I was in a the 823 00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:01,040 Speaker 1: local market near my house out a year ago and 824 00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:06,279 Speaker 1: some artisan tonic I know, uh, and my buddy Chris Cox, 825 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,120 Speaker 1: you know, who plays bass in my band, we were 826 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:09,680 Speaker 1: he happened to be in there. We were kind of 827 00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:13,600 Speaker 1: talking about music. His wife's name is Peaches too. No 828 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,400 Speaker 1: it's not um. We're talking about music, and this guy 829 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,799 Speaker 1: who looked like, uh, like an old Southern rocker came 830 00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,279 Speaker 1: up and he was like, you guys in a band. Yeah, 831 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,520 Speaker 1: And he was like me too, It's like, oh yeah, 832 00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:30,360 Speaker 1: and I'm the flute player in the Marshall Tucker band. No, 833 00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,399 Speaker 1: And I was like whoa, Like, if Marshall Tucker band 834 00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,640 Speaker 1: is known for one thing, it's the flute. Like, for real, 835 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,800 Speaker 1: what's the what's name off a couple of their flutey songs? 836 00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,920 Speaker 1: Well heard it in a love song. Can't be wrong 837 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:49,600 Speaker 1: that one has that famous flute part. No, no, you 838 00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,640 Speaker 1: know that song, sure, but I can't think of the 839 00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,520 Speaker 1: flute part. I mean, this is the whole intro. Dude, 840 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,400 Speaker 1: do do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do 841 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,800 Speaker 1: Do do do doo doo doo doo. That's all flute. 842 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,239 Speaker 1: Oh I guess I've never realized that. Anyway. A bunch 843 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,320 Speaker 1: of their songs have the flute. And he is, granted 844 00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,560 Speaker 1: he was not the original flutist. Uh. He's one of these, 845 00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,560 Speaker 1: you know, Marshall Tucker bands, one of those deals where 846 00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,280 Speaker 1: like two original members, they've had twenty twenty flute players, 847 00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:21,359 Speaker 1: like the Temptations or something. Yeah, but I was still impressive, man, 848 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,200 Speaker 1: that's that's amazing. It is impressive. And then like anchor man, 849 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:26,920 Speaker 1: he whipped one out of his sleeve right there in 850 00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:32,480 Speaker 1: the store, kicked some candles off the tables and time. Yeah, 851 00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,360 Speaker 1: I'd say Marshall Tucker Band is second only to Jethro 852 00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:39,800 Speaker 1: Toll for flute innovation. Okay, that's who I'm thinking of. 853 00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:44,040 Speaker 1: They did like aqua long Hey, Hey, how about that? 854 00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,320 Speaker 1: We just came full circle. All right, let's just end it. 855 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,759 Speaker 1: If you want to get in touch with Chuck and 856 00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,359 Speaker 1: me and Jerry, you can tweet to us. I'm at 857 00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,560 Speaker 1: josh Um Clark and s Y s K podcast, and 858 00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,920 Speaker 1: Chuck is at movie Crush Um Chuck Saw on Facebook, 859 00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,000 Speaker 1: at Facebook dot com, Slash Charles W. H. Bryant and 860 00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,560 Speaker 1: at slash Stuff you Should Know. 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