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Speaker 1: Moan never told your production of I heard Radios how

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Speaker 1: of the movie Triple X and I've never seen that,

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Speaker 1: seen the new controversy trying to make Elizabeth Cougar Elizabeth

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Speaker 1: gotten because there was this allegation from this young guy

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Speaker 1: it's fantastic. I mean, if you have a trible like

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Speaker 1: to day, We're talking about women in the alcohol industry.

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Speaker 1: And this episode has been a long time coming. I actually,

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Speaker 1: for me, I'm gonna like take that opportunity. I really

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Speaker 1: And also if it's not obvious, if you struggle with alcoholism,

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Speaker 1: we do have some numbers. The U s Department of

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Speaker 1: Labor reported that as bartenders identify as female, but they

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Speaker 1: And we're back. Thank you sponsors. So yeah, let's just

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Speaker 1: just you learn so much from somebody and then you're like, man,

429
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 1: this is great, and then you just you realize your

430
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:10,120
Speaker 1: palates now onto something different, and that was really fun

431
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 1: for me. So yeah, so too fantastic. Yeah, I'm doing

432
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 1: a drink of so True for our fall and you.

433
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 1: And but then also like learning, like tasting things right

434
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 1: next to each other, they're technically the same. Doing that

435
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,360
Speaker 1: with a Govey spirits right now. That's what I'm trying

436
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 1: to learn about right now, Like Mescow tequila or I

437
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,439
Speaker 1: see you so tall, like holy crap, they're also different,

438
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 1: and it's they're still all from essentially the same spot,

439
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: the same plant, and yet they all taste completely different. Yeah,

440
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,400
Speaker 1: that's a that is the thing I was tell people.

441
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 1: They always go, what is like tequila was like mescal,

442
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 1: and I go, it's the process. It's the same thing,

443
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 1: but it's just the different process of Megan, and it's

444
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: it's going to taste difference from a different part. You

445
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 1: got to give a quick dissertation on that spirit before

446
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 1: they they're convinced to trust you to try it and like,

447
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 1: but put a good experience me And even I'm like,

448
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 1: I'm obviously fascinating. I'm like, what is what is that?

449
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:11,640
Speaker 1: What isn't it cool? Um? So one of the things

450
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 1: on this show, And I feel like maybe you've alluded

451
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: to some of the things, but what is it like

452
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 1: being a woman in this industry? And especially like how

453
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 1: has that changed or has it changed? Um? Okay, well,

454
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: since I've been done quite some time, it's in the beginning,

455
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 1: it was kind of hard. I didn't see a lot

456
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 1: of female bartuners when I was really hard. I mean

457
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: there were a few out there that was really very few.

458
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 1: Like maybe I would go to bart and it was

459
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: like one girl, one lady that was back there. Um,

460
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 1: but do you will see like girls or would work

461
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 1: at bars that you know they're boobies are out or whatever.

462
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: They're they're kind of said boobies, like I'm twelve, but

463
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: and there work already work at like oh Debby places

464
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,199
Speaker 1: because I've been doing a long time. Those are kind

465
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: of persons that were just kind of, like I said,

466
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 1: slaying drinks, which is fine. You know, you're making your

467
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: money and doing your job, and I totally get it.

468
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be probably be a old lady too something,

469
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: but so, um, I never really saw somebody who was

470
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 1: doing a craft part of it when I was really

471
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,640
Speaker 1: kind of up. So and I had to my mentors guys,

472
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 1: which was fine. You know, they took me in their wing.

473
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: It was really cool. And then the different layer for

474
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: me was because I was also a black female. Like

475
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 1: that was another thing I had to kind of push

476
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: through to convince people that I actually knew what I

477
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: was talking about, you know, or you know you do

478
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 1: get men, I don't believe you know anything about Scotch

479
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: or because one year girl. And then also who you

480
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: you know my name is Keisha. Okay, not your typical

481
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 1: bartender type, but trust me, I know and I have to.

482
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:48,199
Speaker 1: It's for while I was um a struggle to convince

483
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 1: people to trust what you're saying and doing every day

484
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: was a debate. I was like Beau District. So it

485
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: wasn't you know, after what I just got, you get

486
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: over it because you you've already know what the those

487
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 1: that day and that step is going to be. So

488
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: it's kind of like whatever. But luckily, you know, I

489
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 1: mean regular, So I know people that know like to say,

490
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 1: he's just maybe something. It's totally cool. But for while

491
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: there it was, Yeah, it's it takes a bit to

492
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: get people to trust that you know what you're talking

493
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 1: about as a woman. Well, and I can standing next

494
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 1: to a dude we're both working, and I'm like, I

495
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: just trained that kid. Why are you asking him questions?

496
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: I mean, no, go ahead and ask some questions. I

497
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,479
Speaker 1: was like, I'll go, please feel free to and then

498
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: they'll defer to me and I'm like, whoever, Like, well,

499
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: she's actually my boss, so you know, it just kind

500
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: of so it just takes a while for people to

501
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: even curd like this. If you're standing to a guy,

502
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: they'll automatically look at that guy and and I'm like,

503
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 1: all right, I'll be over here. I'm going to talk

504
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: to people who are actually don't care about that stuff.

505
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: That's definitely true that like getting people people to realize

506
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 1: that you know what you're talking about is definitely a thing.

507
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 1: And there were times at because I worked at the

508
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: Pop City crog before I started a Boxcar, and there

509
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: were definitely times when the man standing right next to

510
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 1: me is like they just like I wasn't even there

511
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: and they just looked right to him and to my

512
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: friend that I worked with, to his credit, he would

513
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: usually be like she knows more about that, don't talk

514
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: to me, but definitely get that like look past you,

515
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: or like weird condescending remarks about like oh, oh, so

516
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: you're in school right now, Like, no, this is my job,

517
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: this is what I do. But definitely like people not

518
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: just trusting that you know what you're talking about, and

519
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: sometimes even in like really polite, backhanded ways where like

520
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: they asked me a question and then I answer the question,

521
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: or like I bring you the drink that you're asking

522
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,239
Speaker 1: me about what I talked about, and then they take

523
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: a drink like oh, yeah, you're right, you really do

524
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about. Like it's literally my job

525
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 1: to give you what you want in the right way,

526
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: Like yeah, us, I didn't just make it up. I

527
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: mean they actually come back with I mean, do you

528
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: want to dump them back here? Or do you also

529
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 1: have a conversation with about something that you're into. I mean,

530
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: it's you can't have it one way, you know, where

531
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 1: do something back there? Who knows what they're doing, they're

532
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: making something, and then you want to be confident that

533
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: person is going to do you right. You're spending what

534
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: twelve bucks would drink b whatever? Eight dollars maybe, but

535
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: what if it cost trust and believe? I mean not

536
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 1: to say they probably have not had a bad experience,

537
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: but if I'm already starting off with this dialogue, then

538
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: it's totally fine. Just keep going. But even when it's

539
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: not me because the bar where I am now is

540
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: it surprisingly balanced between men and women who are working

541
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: behind my bar, which is really nice, but I either

542
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: over here or have some of the young women that

543
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: I work with like people say I need to I

544
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: need to order from the bartender's Like, yeah, that's me,

545
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: Like do you want to drink? Because I could just

546
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: go to to the other customers and ignore, are you

547
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: like when she's clearly the only person working, like you know,

548
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: like just dumb stuff like that where they're just like, no, no,

549
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: any of the bartender who you're looking for. But you know, yeah,

550
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: sometimes reps too, especially in the beer world, just like

551
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: go find the dude that's around. Yeah, like, oh, I

552
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: cannot Buying beer is kind of tough because those guys,

553
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: they're always like beer guys that like either burly or

554
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: kind of dudes and whatever they're doing, and they just

555
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: never they when we started talking about beer. I'm sure

556
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: Katie is even more on top of this TONI, but

557
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: they still can't believe that. I'm like, yeah, I have

558
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: to buy this stuff to know what I'm talking about.

559
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: You know, there's no I'm not just here because they

560
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: couldn't figure it out. I don't know, I don't know

561
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,239
Speaker 1: they want to, but it's it's just not a thing.

562
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: I also, I wish there was more points of view,

563
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: like other women that were there's a lazier so they

564
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: can tell you probably their experience as well, because I'm

565
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: sure this something that if it hasn't happened to me,

566
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: somebody either had. I'm sure there's a grab bass situation

567
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: somewhere or do you know, I don't just like somebody

568
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: like goes out this, so I'd never have my thing

569
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: hang out. Some people like you're very concertified, or maybe

570
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: you make more tips. Somebody say I make more tips

571
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: that I happened. I've I've been to make more tips

572
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: if you could, if you showed your cleavage. I've been

573
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: told you'd make more tips if you smile more. And

574
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: I've been told like, like, do you smile constantly at

575
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: your computer, your cubicle while you're working, Like, if I'm

576
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: not directly talking to someone, I'm probably not. Just like

577
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: like if I'm just over in the well making drinks

578
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: straight and the other bartenders are taking care of the guests,

579
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: I'm probably not smiling. And it's it's a fine because

580
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,959
Speaker 1: you're like, you're in hospitality, so you want to convey,

581
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: you want to give off that positive energy of vibe.

582
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: But like you're having a good time. But that doesn't

583
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: mean that you know, you're consistent. You're gonna look like

584
00:30:55,080 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: a weirdle. Just it's not Yeah. Also on Katy, I'm

585
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: gonna look at you every time come to the bar,

586
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: and I hope that you're doing finger guns and everyone, Oh,

587
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: it's not fun. I got finger gunned by customer one

588
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: time at a different job, and he called me sugar,

589
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: it's weird, it's great. That is that typical phrase that

590
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: you used just to make fun of, like that's the overload.

591
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,479
Speaker 1: It was real life and it happened to me. I've

592
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: I've been uh. I mean, I don't know if you've

593
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: had the same thing, because we're both tattooed in our arms.

594
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: I've had people like grab my arms, let me see that,

595
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: just like I'm like, we're touching, okay, um, I don't

596
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: know why you could let me see what's going on there? Yeah, yeah,

597
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: just like yeah, I had I had somebody stand up again,

598
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: different job, like many years ago, but someone stood up

599
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: in his bar seat, reached over the bar and grabbed

600
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: my coworkers hair while she was like bent down grabbing

601
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: something on the other side, like on her side. Everyone

602
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,959
Speaker 1: that was working like record scratch and we were all

603
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: just like, oh hell no, yeah, you need to sit

604
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: down and leave. Like wow. So with that, obviously you

605
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: guys have touched a lot into this. How how do

606
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: you handle when it comes to harassment and do you

607
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: see that being is it getting worse to getting better?

608
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: Like how do you see that industry today? I mean

609
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: I wouln't say it's getting worse. I mean, I think

610
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: it's getting sort of better because I mean, just because

611
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: obviously been doing this for a while. I don't get

612
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: into confrontations with a lot of people. If something like

613
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: that happens, I try to be competation less. Somebody's don't

614
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: involve up my face is something which doesn't really happen.

615
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: Just saying well alma was but that was neither. But um.

616
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: I just what I do is just kind of tell

617
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: them to leave um or I'm I don't really are

618
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: I just ign them for rest of the time that

619
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: they did there. I mean, he doesn't get two out

620
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: of hand, I'll just like S and now I'm done

621
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: with you and I'll passed off to somebody else. So

622
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: that's how I kind of im. I just don't want to.

623
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: I'm not confrontational. And when I get when I get

624
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: genuinely upset, I often like freeze a little bit. My

625
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: brain stops and like what do I do? Um, But

626
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: it is usually it's like, all right, you just have

627
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: to leave, Like if you're bothering bartenders or customers or whatever, like,

628
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: you just have to leave. So I actually had an

629
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: instant and when I worked at a brewery in which

630
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: one of the contexts was older white gentleman was there

631
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: on an event that whole big story. But he started

632
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: um calling me oriental girl and thought it was funny

633
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: and as the way, I'm flirting with me and this

634
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: was the thing, and he would like yeah, yeah, So

635
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: he kept screaming at me. He kept screaming at me

636
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: about it, and finally I just got to the point

637
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: because I was told he couldn't leave, like we couldn't

638
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: ask him to leave necessarily. That in all, I had

639
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: a whole different thing um by one person. And then

640
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: of course my female manager was like, no worries and

641
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: I'm kicking his ass out, So I will say that.

642
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 1: But at the beginning, when all that was going down,

643
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: all I could do was like try to ignore him,

644
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: but he kept screaming at me, and I didn't know

645
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 1: what to do. Have you guys had any incidents in

646
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 1: which a you didn't have the support or you did

647
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: have the support, What is the usual reaction from your boss's,

648
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: let's say, in those situations, And if you didn't, what

649
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: was your reaction to do? And how did you handle

650
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: that situation? And and even for you as a person

651
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: of color, how do you handle when it was obviously

652
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: something that that's not experienced by everyone. What do you do?

653
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: How do you react? And how? I mean, have you

654
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: gone through that? Maybe you haven't. Maybe it's just me, Um,

655
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: well I haven't had to me like like just start

656
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: yelling about dating in particular, just being a complete dick.

657
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: Excuse my language, but but yes and no, because they're

658
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: drunk and they're drinking whatever. So again I would ignore

659
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: them until it was something to go. Um. And Luckily,

660
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: even though the whole thing, customers or guests are kind

661
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: of weird, sometimes when you work with good people, they

662
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 1: will and it's such a liberal job, people just will

663
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 1: be supportive of you regardless, like they'll just either have

664
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 1: your back until I've never not had a manager not

665
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 1: stand up for me if I said that guy is

666
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: being weird, or like say, I work at Joystick now

667
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: and I was just standing there at the jukebox just

668
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 1: because my co work was like, play a song, somebody

669
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: alway cool. I go over there and some dude just

670
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: comes up and it feels free to grab my butt,

671
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: So I was like, so I turned about and grab him.

672
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're out of here, and he goes, oh,

673
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: what do you mean why you grabbing me? I was like,

674
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: because you just grabbed me, you know, like kind of

675
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: like really, I'm like, I'm not gonna find it a

676
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 1: guy or whatever because I shouldn't have to. So I

677
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: was like, all right, So luckily there's support what we

678
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: had security, but I could's like him, you know, getting out.

679
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: So it helps when you do have people that you

680
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: work with that are willing to this, don't even ask questions,

681
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: they know you felt, yeah, certain way, I don't want

682
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: to have a discussion. You need to leave. So luckily, yeah,

683
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: I've been in a situation with people that have been

684
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: supports because I am also a woman color. Sometime it

685
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: is I've been the only one in the room, and yeah,

686
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: I tried to you know, I maintain very even kill

687
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: kind of the mean York. Then there's there's a whole

688
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: other side thing with that too, you know, and all

689
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're preconceived you've seen is this person

690
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: at that bar, and you know you kind of have

691
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: to carry that balance, you know, right, because if you're

692
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: not you're you're then you're you're not friendly enough that

693
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: one angry black person at in the restaurant. You're well,

694
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: I don't not gotta be put me in this box.

695
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: It's just yeah, so there's a whole other Oh, it's

696
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: so it's just in general working at the russauran work

697
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: behind the bar, guess sometimes co workers, right, so you're

698
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: just gonna you have to realize or try to figure

699
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:57,439
Speaker 1: it out somehow. Yeah, I've been lucky to you having

700
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: back up, not recently in my life, definitely, like managers

701
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: always had our back when I was younger. Sometimes I

702
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: worked at places that had really crappy managers, but the

703
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: other people that I worked with were definitely like that

704
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: dude sucks. He's got like you know, especially at like

705
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: more if you are like a more divvy place where

706
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: your managers probably not around anyway, and it probably is

707
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: just the far staff who are technically running the restaurant

708
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: for the night and like, no, that dude's gone, Like

709
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: this guy sucks. Like definitely been lucky with good male

710
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: counterparts and friends that I worked with or like no,

711
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: you you're with us? Yeah, sure that is great. It's

712
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: it's uh anyway because I work in Joseph, because it's

713
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 1: manages aren't always there and I so you have to

714
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: kind of we have this is always a united friend.

715
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,959
Speaker 1: So what it's gonna be us against you always because

716
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: you're not going to be here at the end of

717
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: the night, you know. So yeah, I have. I personally

718
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 1: have physically removed dudes from bars, which was weird because

719
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: I was like a baby grabbing people like you have

720
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: to go, which now I'm at a point where that's

721
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: someone else's job, but that's nice. But I feel like

722
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: it's mildly important that I had to do it at

723
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: some point to like to be the one that's like, no,

724
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: you're gone, right, Yeah. I usually just hold the door open,

725
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: like uh oh. I like I like grabbed a dude

726
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: by the shirt like with two hands and was like

727
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: pulling him because because he wouldn't leave a table like

728
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: it was it was the whole thing, like he had

729
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: he had to be physically removed because he was not

730
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: going to leave on his own. Well, oh my god,

731
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: that's kind of scary. Also, I was gonna say, and

732
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: do they take you seriously, like if you're the one

733
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 1: be like I need you to leave. Oh no, he

734
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 1: super didn't take it. I had to remove him twice

735
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: and then um my other bartender, the guy that taught

736
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: me had to partend. Then he removed him and he's

737
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: a much latter r so that that went do. But

738
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: so it took to that point to finally figure out, dude,

739
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: really really have to get out just to say I

740
00:38:58,160 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: did it support at the end. But it was a

741
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,439
Speaker 1: really weird. My little experience was so weird that throw

742
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: me off so badly that I was like, this is

743
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: so because I'm also, as you all talked about being

744
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: in the bar to interestring, I feel like I have

745
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 1: to I don't I'm not that part of that much anymore,

746
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: but I have to be overly entertaining. So therefore that

747
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: I can get those tips, Yeah, get that money. You know.

748
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: That's like and that seems to be like an open

749
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: invitation for the level of boundary crossing that and that

750
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: happens in that industry, which is like, how do you

751
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: balance that for yourself? Yeah, I will. I don't know

752
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: I'm how to do it. It's I guess when you're

753
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: over I don't know if we friendly can say that

754
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: or you're doing you're you're just being a regular person,

755
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: nice person, doing your job. You know, sometimes there are

756
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: guys who do take it where the like think you're

757
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: flirting to whatever, or you know, they'll oh, of sudden,

758
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 1: you want to get your phone and I'm like, no,

759
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 1: it's not. We're not on a speed date. I'm having

760
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: a conversation because you're maybe one of two people at

761
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: the bar, you know, chat. You know, it would be

762
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: weird if I'm just not talking to you at all.

763
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, and then but nothing too too much. I

764
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: don't think I've had too much of experience when it

765
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: gets extra weird. I mean I tried to go there

766
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: with people that come to my bar, so I don't know,

767
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: kind of just kind of shove it off it only

768
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: it happens for a few two I mean, I let

769
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 1: that happen for a few town I won't let it

770
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 1: happen to be it. So yeah, I'm definitely still learning

771
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: how to balance that, like because I am not an

772
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: overly friendly person, like I am also an introvert, so

773
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: I am not the person to immediately just like go

774
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: make a new friend or like go walk to a

775
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: stranger and start talking um, which is bad because it's

776
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: kind of my job. So I'm definitely still learning that

777
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: balance of like just nice enough all the time, but

778
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: not so nice that it's like You're not the only

779
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: person that I'm serving tonight. Like, right, that's the thing too,

780
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: Like the art of nicely walking away, just like, oh yeah,

781
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: walk behind this thing. If I trained any Bartens, like

782
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: you must learn the art of how to disengage, Like, yeah,

783
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: walk away because what's gonna happen. It's gonna lose people.

784
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 1: You know, it's a it is a balance between being

785
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 1: friendly and nice to people, Bob, but knowing that you

786
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 1: have to cut them off at one point because they

787
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: so you are really into it. They want to talk

788
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 1: to you about everything, all the spirits, all this stuff,

789
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 1: and I love it and I think it's great, but

790
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: you know, it's a it's a lot when you have

791
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: to do it with like then the next five people

792
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: want to say tonight, right, everybody bringing in close. I

793
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: got just to say, I don't know, Martin's share what

794
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: you learned? Yeah, I want to Bartins who know how

795
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: to bring a room together. And it's very impressive. I

796
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 1: love it, Like this is such and such and it's great.

797
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 1: It's a it's a great skill. I'm just like that's

798
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: something that I'm not truly envious of, but that that

799
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: skill of like being that person behind the bar, like

800
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: bring people together, but I'm also learning. Um, I really

801
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: love it working with those people because I can be

802
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: like cool, go make our tips. I will make every

803
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: service cocktail that comes to the bar tonight. You will

804
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 1: be the bright Chinese sunflower that everybody loves and it's perfect.

805
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: And let's just be that team. I've been on that team.

806
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: That team. We have a little bit more of our interview,

807
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: but first we have one more quick break for word

808
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: from our sponsor and we're back Nickie Sponsored. Let's jump

809
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: back in. Well. I love that piece of advice, like

810
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: the art of disengaging. Do you have any ice for

811
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: listeners who are thinking about getting into cocktails more? Just

812
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: things that you would wish you wish you right now

813
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: and we'll get into making cocktails. Um, just the same

814
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: thing we've been saying. It was like, if you if

815
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: you like to drink, because you're like I want to

816
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: be about to like drinking, that's probably not the best

817
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: way to get into it because it got it well

818
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: only because then you're just there to drink booze. And

819
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: I trust me, I can drink. But it I didn't

820
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: start off, Yeah, I didn't stop going like I just

821
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: want me back there, So I the child booze. You know,

822
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: that's don't do that. Um. Then the second thing is

823
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: also if you love you're doing, you care about, not

824
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: care about, but if you are interested in what spirits

825
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: are and where they're from and just the whole process

826
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: of because it's a deep dive when you get into it,

827
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: you could go. So that's always a great thing. So

828
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: I think if you're willing to put the work in

829
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: I that's my only one. I didn't go for it,

830
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: and to like I said, and also, it's a great

831
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: way to keep your thin flexible your hours in your

832
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: social life. Well well social life is kind of a

833
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: hard balance too, but you just have to know how

834
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: to work it in there. That's to say. I know

835
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: a lot of people in the industry who are constantly

836
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: like gone in opposite schedules of everybody else. So that

837
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: seems like not necessarily all the talk most advantageous. Yeah,

838
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 1: just just say if you just just got tog out

839
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: the balance, that's really my my cissis if you want

840
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: to learn put in at the hours in the time

841
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 1: and learn how to balance your work in social life,

842
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: then you could probably do it. I mean, it's not

843
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,760
Speaker 1: so we're not out here building a you know, testlas

844
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: or well, but I build rocket shifts like I don't

845
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: because I just kind of I want to see what

846
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 1: I think that I think that's really good, and then

847
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: go go out a lot, but not necessarily in like

848
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: a party way, but in a way to observe so

849
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: like ghosts, and don't sit at a table set at

850
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 1: the bar and order something that you've never had before

851
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: and then watched them make it. And then if they're

852
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: not busy, ask some questions like if it's chill and

853
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: they seem like they have time to talk to you

854
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: a little bit and you're genuinely interested to be like okay,

855
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: so like do you mind if I have a tiny

856
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: taste of that spirit? Like I've never had that before.

857
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: And also Google, Man, the internet is so helpful because

858
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't learn how to bartend in bars

859
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: that we're doing any sort of craft cocktail. So when

860
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: I wanted to learn about it, I did it on

861
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: my own until like I met people and got involved

862
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 1: voice stuff where that was happening. And I learned a

863
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: lot of stuff from watching other bartenders who were really

864
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: good at what they were doing, tasting their drinks and

865
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: like buying books or going online or trying to find

866
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 1: out stuff. And then once I started doing it that way,

867
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 1: it started happening more work, And like that's a great

868
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: way to if you do go sit in front of

869
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: somebody who you've seen and like killing it, whether making

870
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: how to make drinks at how to kind of work

871
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 1: the room, so to speak, then you should definitely go

872
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: see that that persons and definitely ask some questions. It's

873
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: it does help because they inspire you. Let see they

874
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: really do and especially little things like just like techniques,

875
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: not even necessarily recipes or answer spirits or anything, but

876
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: like watching people like I'm, like I said, I've only

877
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: been bartending for six years, so I'm a still learning

878
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,240
Speaker 1: all the time and just watching people who are clearly

879
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: professionals and be like, oh, I never thought to do

880
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: it that way, and then ask why they did it

881
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: that way, And there's definitely a reason, Like it's not

882
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: we don't just make stuff make stuff up for no reason.

883
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: For the most part, um, there's usually a good reason

884
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: for like a particular way of doing something, um and

885
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: then putting that in your catalog and using it next

886
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: time you go back to work or to make a

887
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: cocktail or also home bar. It's really good to have

888
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: like a laborate torry at your house. Yeah, I super

889
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: I have a lab at my house finger air quotes. Yeah,

890
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: but like I have a home bar with a bunch

891
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: of stuff, and I do a lot of research and

892
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: prep and testing at home. Because when you're at work,

893
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: you're busy. Yeah, that's why I supposed to say when

894
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: you're not doing when I'm not working. Sometimes i'm working,

895
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: I'll like say, if I'm off today and i'm not here,

896
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: if I'm thinking about a drink, I will go to

897
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: work to try to make it because I'm not working,

898
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: so I don't have to worry about doing stuff. So

899
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: I could just be like, well, I know these are

900
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: things I need and they're all at that bar. So

901
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: I've done that. Just drive to work and like okay,

902
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: I'm in trying to make this, this and this. Yeah,

903
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: and then but because and then you're like, well it

904
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: goes my day because that's stuff. Or and then you

905
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: inevitably end up either sitting at your bar or like

906
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: a friend's bar, and then if that's the other half

907
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: of your day, well I'm not gonna this is it

908
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: you're do you have a nice buzz on from all

909
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 1: the junks and it's like rush hour now, so clearly

910
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 1: have to sit here. Obvious, that's how usually sometimes these

911
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 1: in the but that's the best way in my world.

912
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: So out of curiosity, because we were talking about all

913
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 1: of the people in the mentors, how do you do

914
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: you think that the industry as been more and more

915
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: inclusive of women of color, of women in general of

916
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 1: the l g B, d U I And if not,

917
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: what way could we be more or could they as

918
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: an industry be more inclusive or are they doing a

919
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: good job as a little as the bar baby at

920
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: the table. I feel like lately, like in the last

921
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: few years, I feel like I see a lot of

922
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: women UM in bars in Atlanta. Obviously, like I said earlier,

923
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 1: I this is the only place I know about UM,

924
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: but I feel like I see a lot more than

925
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: when I was younger. Lately UM and our programs and

926
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: heading bar programs and UM like a lot of the

927
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: people that I look up to and like go sit

928
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: at their bar or like learn our women in the city.

929
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: Like there's obviously there's men as well, But I've thought

930
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: about I sat down and thought about it the other

931
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 1: day and like a lot of the people who I

932
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: really admire what they're doing are women. Yeah, um, yeah,

933
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: I think so, because even women who way back when,

934
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: like the few that we're doing it, like say back

935
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: in the eighties or even before that. There's you can

936
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: probably find one book and there's all five of them

937
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: in that book that runs from like the twenties to

938
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: like eight eight So like like there's one was the

939
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: Ida Coleman who did the hanky panky thing. She's in

940
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: a book and she's that was it. That's the other

941
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: on any other one I knew after that was or

942
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: Artie Saunders from the eighties. And now, I mean there's

943
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 1: this huge gap. I'm sure these ladies in between all

944
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: of that. But you know, she became she does like

945
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: the the Pegoo Cub in New York, and she's worked

946
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: with Dildograph and all these guys that and but she

947
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,760
Speaker 1: had to work her way into just being that probably

948
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 1: one female at the time that was even doing anything

949
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: because we don't hear any other names for at certain points,

950
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: and I mean, I know, I'm not the biggest cocktail historian,

951
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: so I was throwing a cup of names out there,

952
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: But I guess now it is more inclusive. There are

953
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: definitely bars where you know they're uh, the l G B,

954
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:10,240
Speaker 1: t Q communities, you know, very present, and the bars

955
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: where there are only women. Like where was I One

956
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 1: night I was working at Rational Gime and I was

957
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: working with another girl, was like, is this an all

958
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: girls staff tonight? Oh my god, It's so great because

959
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: I We've got a lady in and we had like

960
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: two girls service. It was like ladies night and it

961
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: was just really it was it was amazing. We we

962
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: just had so much fun. It was it's kind of

963
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: like this sting. So yeah, I guess you're right. Then

964
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: it's getting to a point where are a lot of

965
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: female artists nowadays. I mean, there was a competition I

966
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: went to a couple of weeks ago where the females

967
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: dominated pretty much the whole competition. I don't know if

968
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: you went to that deck off. I was about to

969
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 1: say it was I didn't go, but I heard about it.

970
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 1: But it was like there was probably I don't know

971
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 1: this equal amount of guys two girls, but they just

972
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,919
Speaker 1: took out the boys one by one until the last

973
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 1: person was left. I was like, this is pretty awesome.

974
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: It took a while for for that to be a thing,

975
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: but one for ladies to be in competitions quite a

976
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: bit because even when I don't do a lot of

977
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: that's not really my bag. Some of my competitions just

978
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just so I can't. I don't.

979
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: I don't enjoy them. I just get too nervous. But um, yeah,

980
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: it's it's very much more inclusively them. There's a thing.

981
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: I went to another one. I wish Tiffany was here

982
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: because she was a judge, this one where it was

983
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: like all gay bar tinners like, so it was really cool,

984
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: um to see something like that, um because you know,

985
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: even that I've never seen that before anywhere, Like it

986
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: was just granted it was mostly men, which I was like,

987
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: well come on, but it was still you know, it

988
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: was just that that was the thing, which was pretty cool.

989
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: And they got who the guy who won got a

990
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 1: cool price, So it was really amazing to kind of

991
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: see that. So yeah, I guess maybe a nice upwards

992
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: kind of a deal, but still helpeful. Yeah, and the

993
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: bars I go to, if i i've it's always straight

994
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: white males back there. Yep. I'm just like, no, no,

995
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: nobody go and it's cool. I mean it is what

996
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: it is. I mean they're not gonna go back this

997
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: throwing a political statements at borrow what I'm drinking the

998
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: best idea it doesn't combine well huh um, and then

999
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: just give you a one letter what's your the worst

1000
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: drink to make? To make? Yeah? When you when a

1001
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: when a person comes in and says I want this

1002
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 1: do what makes your eyes roll over? I feel like

1003
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: I feel like two different. Yeah. I don't know, because

1004
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: there's so many drinks. Like if you'd asked me like

1005
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: four years ago, I would have said one thing and

1006
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: then I'm like, no, who gives it? Fine? I don't

1007
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,399
Speaker 1: know if there's anything that I like. It's hard to make,

1008
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: but things that I'm tired of making long islands and

1009
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:59,240
Speaker 1: leaveon drops just because they're really boring and not because

1010
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: I'm like not to like yug your yum or whatever.

1011
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: That's such a dumb phrase. I'm sorry, what make that up?

1012
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: That's a thing? What? Okay? Keep? Every time I do interviews,

1013
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: I feel like there's one friight that I'm like, what

1014
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: is this phrase? Like the suburban mom version of saying

1015
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: like not to King shame um. Like if you like

1016
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: Long Islands, cool whatever, but it's just really boring. It

1017
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: doesn't really taste like anything. Lum jobs don't really taste

1018
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: like anything. And I think the main reason is because

1019
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 1: like I took so much time to build this spending

1020
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: just order something that I made because they're really good.

1021
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: They wouldn't be on this paper if if they weren't good.

1022
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: But it's mostly stuff like that that I just want

1023
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: people like Tiffany was saying the other day about like

1024
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: like go of the past to try something new, like yeah, yeah,

1025
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: I want to the knew drug because they people ordered

1026
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: things like that because they don't know not that they

1027
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: don't know, you better, just doesn't know anything. So they're

1028
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: like they get to is alright fine, And also it

1029
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 1: has all the ingredients in it, so it is it's

1030
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: also a bus right and the same thingre I don't

1031
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: think at this point I've made all jinks maybe a

1032
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: thousand times over, so I'm not it's I can make whatever.

1033
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: Just if you want to find you got it. You

1034
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: got it. So you asked me like three years ago,

1035
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: I probably would have said, like mohito or something, but

1036
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 1: I don't care. I like, because people, do you hate

1037
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,919
Speaker 1: making Mohito's always get that question. I'm like, no, make

1038
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: it all the time, so I have it down to

1039
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: a science. It ju be in your face in two

1040
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: seconds ago. The only the only thing I hate about Mohito's.

1041
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: But really it's not just Mohito's. It's kind of summer

1042
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: in general. Is meant itself in the butt. Yeah, just

1043
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,320
Speaker 1: like as a gurrant, because it's like you have to

1044
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: be really good to it, like you have to talk

1045
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: to it real sweet wilt in the middle of your shift,

1046
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: and like it goes back really fast, and then inevitably

1047
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:06,959
Speaker 1: you just get like sad crushed up mint stuck in everything. Yeah.

1048
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 1: So it's not the Mohito's fault. It's the mint's fault.

1049
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: Men just wants you. Yeah, it's good to know the worst.

1050
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 1: I'm a tolerant to mint, so this makes me happy.

1051
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: So you are not a problem. Yeah, oh yeah it is.

1052
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 1: I've already made I don't know how many old fashions

1053
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:29,879
Speaker 1: within this last week. I mean that's the thing. It's

1054
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: it's not hard to make. But if somebody's on a kick,

1055
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: I've done it. Like you, somebody come out on it.

1056
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 1: Two here, and you get five more on aside, I'm like,

1057
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 1: I love it. You like this really boozy conta. I

1058
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: love making them. It's in my wheelhouse. I think it's fantastic.

1059
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: But I know, if even know something else, there's another

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Speaker 1: the yawn of the cocktail, but like the contain, Like

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Speaker 1: as soon as somebody at a table and they're like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: well fashion, let's do that, and then one runs into

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Speaker 1: mo all once. Yeah, it's just it's a It's one

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Speaker 1: of those things that I do enjoy making. Number. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: it does get a little bunch because you try to

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Speaker 1: tell you, well, here's another one you want want to

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Speaker 1: get into a trial, or here do you like gin

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Speaker 1: and they don't want to do that, or something on

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Speaker 1: those lines. But yeah, I don't I really hate making

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Speaker 1: anything anymore. It's just kind of they're there. That brings

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Speaker 1: us to the end of our long awaited at least

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Speaker 1: for us, we've been trying for a few months. I

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Speaker 1: know women in the Alcohol Industry episode, Like we said,

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Speaker 1: after we recorded this in the studio, we went and

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Speaker 1: had a cocktail hour and we recorded some more with

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Speaker 1: some even more fantastic women in this industry. So that

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Speaker 1: episode will be coming up soon um. In the meantime,

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Speaker 1: Thanks as always to our super producer Andrew Hammer, Thanks

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Speaker 1: to our interviewees, Yeah, thanks Katie and Kisha, and thanks

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Speaker 1: to you for listening. Steph Owner told you the protection

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