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Speaker 1: And that's the plot of today's movie. Us Bedel Cast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jamie Loftus, my name is Caitlin Darante.

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Speaker 1: And uh, this is our podcast where we examine movies

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Speaker 1: the save the cat mentality very seriously, literally to the

422
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: point where you, yeah, they're like, we need to save someone,

423
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,959
Speaker 1: because they do interrupt the climax of the movie. Basically,

424
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: Hillary Duff misses a lot of the climax of the

425
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: movie to go save the dad, Like it's a whole

426
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: I don't know why it happens. I do. I will

427
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: say I prefer the way it resolves and Cheata Girls better,

428
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: which is they sing the dog out of the hole.

429
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: They just lift the dad off the clip. I would

430
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: rather they sang him up the clip. But well, I guess.

431
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: And so in the cheats they're using there, they're using

432
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: their singing skills, which we which is a huge part

433
00:28:55,520 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: of the story. Cadet Kelly ll she's using her obstacle

434
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,959
Speaker 1: course training to save her dad, so there's still some

435
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: plan payoff there. I guess there's definitely planned. I think

436
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: that that was very intentionally done. I just I think

437
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: it's more fun to watch the cheaty girls sing a

438
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: dog out of a hole. But that's just you know,

439
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: we're all different also, and I didn't realize this until

440
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,959
Speaker 1: my second watch of the movie, where him having a

441
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: tendency to fall is also planted, because in the very

442
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,239
Speaker 1: beginning of the movie, when he is picking her up

443
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: at her arts school, he's like balancing on a ledge

444
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: and then just falls off of it. So I guess

445
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: they're the screenwriters like, well, we have to establish that

446
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: he tends to fall girls, the climax won't make any sense,

447
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: which is like really looking out for the viewer, maybe

448
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: a little too much. It's not absurd that anyone on

449
00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: a cliff might fall off of it, right then, Harry

450
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: it to cliffs they're slippery. But but I appreciate the plant. Yes,

451
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: it was very narratively important. So then they saved the

452
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: dad And this is the conclusion of a weird subplot

453
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: that I don't think needs to be there where like, well,

454
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: I guess we can discuss it. But she's like, oh,

455
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: my stepdad, who has been this rigid military man this

456
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: whole time, is finally learning feelings, learning how to be

457
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: a dad, blah blah blah. I don't hate it, Yeah,

458
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, I guess it's like, why is so

459
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: much real estate given to the dad's all of a sudden,

460
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: I don't hate that. Like men learn how to have feelings.

461
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: That's nice, like military and men specifically too. I thought

462
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: that was like a cool thing. We'll talk about it. Yeah. Um. Anyway,

463
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: so they returned to the competition just in time for

464
00:30:53,480 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: Kelly and Jennifer to do their dancing thing um, which

465
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: is a part of the rifle slinging. Then Kelly's school

466
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: gets second place in the competition, and then I think, like,

467
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: Jennifer promotes Kelly. She's like, you're the cadet captain now,

468
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: which I didn't realize she had the power to do, right.

469
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,959
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's like I hope this happens

470
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: for you, or if she's like, I'm promoting you because

471
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: I have the authority to do that. What she should

472
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: be doing is apologizing. But that that's just not what

473
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: this movie is going to do, but it does so

474
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: many other things. Their relationship is still kind of abusive them. Yeah,

475
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: and then that's the story. I think they get second

476
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: place and then um, yeah, she learns the value of

477
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: having gone to military school. I get question Mark, I guess.

478
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: So what we're gonna do with this episode was we're

479
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: going to now to a discussion we had with the

480
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: wonderful writer Kia Brown, who is just a full on

481
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: Cadet Kelly stand an expert, and we're going to start

482
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: by having a discussion with her about a lot of things,

483
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: but mainly focusing around um, the queer coded or perhaps

484
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: just queer themes of Cadet Kelly, and then we'll pop

485
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: back in at the end and talk about a few

486
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: other things. So enjoying Kia. So the first thing we

487
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: want to do is to go into a segment with

488
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: a special guest. She is a journalist. She's the author

489
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: of the book The Pretty One on Life, pop culture, disability,

490
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: and other Reasons to Fall in Love with Me. It's

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00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: Kia Brown. Hi, thanks for being here, Thank you for

492
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: having me. I'm really pump you're a Cadet Kelly scholar. Yes,

493
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: that's my resumetor my website or something. Yeah, I am

494
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: a scholar, thank you. So a major thing about this

495
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,719
Speaker 1: movie that a lot of people have latched onto is

496
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: the relationship between Kelly and Jennifer among other characters, and

497
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: the romantic tension, the queer subtext, or in some case

498
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: for some people, like it's like a queer text for them,

499
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: not just so, it's almost exclusively what's been written about

500
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: this movie since to all do with the queer Let's

501
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: let's go with text. Let's go with text. But yeah,

502
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: we're so excited to hear to hear your your thoughts

503
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: on this. You know you've spoken to this before one

504
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: of our favorite podcasts, Let's hang out. Yes, yes, so

505
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,959
Speaker 1: we'll start. But yeah, just tell us what your relationship is,

506
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: what your history with the movie is. Um, well, I

507
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: grew up like we all did, Hailary Duff, and so

508
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: when her and Raven Simone were carrying Disney on their

509
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: backs for that like section of time when nobody else

510
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: was doing anything worthy, they were like, fine, we'll do it.

511
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: It's okay, and um no, Hillary Duff was like, I'll

512
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: give you by time. Daven was like yeah, me too,

513
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: sure whatever, pay me um and Cadet Kelly came out

514
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: and I was like, I was like, wow, this is

515
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: so great. Like I was like, well, first of all,

516
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 1: I've never really been a big fan of like military stuff,

517
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: but I was like, we love Hilary Duff, so I'll

518
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 1: be watching. And then I watched it and I was like, oh,

519
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: this is like really not straight. It is decidedly very gay. Yeah,

520
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 1: like this side of it. And then I got older

521
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, I was really right in

522
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: my the thanking thank you for being correct, because what

523
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: there's nothing a bit straight about that everybody at all, Like,

524
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: there's there's nothing, not even the of interest tracks that

525
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: doesn't even Mark Brad Why is he there? Get him out?

526
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: Almost see the little sparkle in his eyes of like

527
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: he's like, I don't belong here, Get me out of

528
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: this movie. He's this vehicle is not for me. Here's

529
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: so I can get paid and I respect Otherwise it's

530
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:25,439
Speaker 1: just what are he there for? He doesn't do anything really, like,

531
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: he doesn't have any big moments. He spits on a

532
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: shoe it's so gross, which just goes to that scene.

533
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: I hate it to this I'm like, do you have to?

534
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: I mean, like it's this whole thing, and I'm like,

535
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: that's disgusting. Thanks. Yeah, he does it twice because at

536
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,919
Speaker 1: first he's like, that's not how you shine a shoe,

537
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: and then he spits on it. And then later I

538
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: guess when they're meant to be the movie is trying

539
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: to get you to think that Kelly is flirting with him.

540
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: She's like, I could really use some more spit, and

541
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: then he spits again. Yeah. I was like, Kelly, I

542
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, Kelly is like not a very

543
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: effective flirt with anyone, but that, but that was just

544
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 1: that pushed me over the edge. I was like, stop asking.

545
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: Isn't he like the X man who turns into ice?

546
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: Isn't that what happened to him? I don't know much

547
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: about the man, but one of some who knows, but

548
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: she keeps asking him to spit. And I felt watching

549
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: it as a child, that we were supposed to be

550
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: like and even though I just didn't, and I was like,

551
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: I didn't think anyone felt that way when they watched it,

552
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't. I was like, this is too much.

553
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: Can we move on? Thank you? I think, I mean,

554
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: I was very curious about like if Hillary Duff or

555
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: Christie Carlson Romano, Ren Stevens my queen had spoken to

556
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: this at all, and Christie Carlson Romano spoke about it

557
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 1: in but it was very like, I don't know, very dodgy.

558
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: I wish she had just been like, no, it's a

559
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: queer movie, obviously, because she is giving like the most

560
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:09,720
Speaker 1: flirtatious performance I have ever seen. She like, she makes

561
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: like maggot kink, like getting just like whoa. But Christie

562
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: caross Rama kind of like talks around it. She's like,

563
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: I think that Disney films usually are very much about

564
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: a sport or a family, and this one is about

565
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,439
Speaker 1: kids living on their own a boarding school. And then

566
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 1: the reporter kind of repeated the question was like, okay,

567
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 1: but is it a queer movie? Like you just described

568
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: a movie. Uh, And Christie cross and Romana said, What

569
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: I make of that is that this is art. Even

570
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: if it's a Disney Channel film, it's still art. And

571
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: the reason why my films and TV shows have done

572
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: well over time is because they have substantial value that

573
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: obviously rings true with fans and fans of all ages.

574
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: I feel blessed to have played Jennifer Stone, because I

575
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: do think if she could have an influence over people

576
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 1: going through all sorts of different things, then that's very

577
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,439
Speaker 1: flattering to me. So she doesn't answer the question, Oh

578
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: she really, She really talked around. She talked all the

579
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: way around, and then she was like, god, bye bye.

580
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: So I swear there must be something like when you

581
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: sign a contract with Disney, there's some clause or something

582
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: where it's like, do not talk about gay stuff. It

583
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: has there's no gay stuff in our movie, like the Scientology.

584
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: It's like, for twenty thousand years, you cannot. It's like that.

585
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 1: It had to be contract. It's literally the only reason.

586
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 1: And I remember she she has a YouTube channel, Christie

587
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: Girls in Romano, and she like filmed herself rewatching Candet Kelly,

588
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: like her scenes in Kennet Kelly, and she was like yeah.

589
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: She was like because some of the songs were different,

590
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: I guess in the Disney Plus version, and like she

591
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: was like, we had rainbow flags. I remember they're not

592
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: like that in the Disney Plus version of it, but

593
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: she's like, I feel like they were a rainbow. And

594
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,439
Speaker 1: then it was just like weird because then she said

595
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: it and then she paused herself and then swiftly moved

596
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: on to something else, And I was like, oh, the

597
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: c Or contract. Do you think they did well? There

598
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: is a lot of rainbow imagery in this movie, between

599
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: the blanket that Kelly is like, this is my blanket

600
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna have it on my bed, and then

601
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 1: the hair that she like, the painting of the hair

602
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: that she puts on Jennifer is like in a rainbow. Yeah, right,

603
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: So I I when I saw this movie when I

604
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: was a kid, I knew that I really liked it,

605
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: and I liked to watch it over and over and

606
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: I couldn't articulate really why what it was that I

607
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: liked about it so much, But I knew I really

608
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: liked it. But watching it now, it is like it

609
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: feels like as close to a queer d coom as

610
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: especially for this time as you were ever gonna get

611
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 1: with with like the rainbow imagery of like it's Hillary

612
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: Dove trying to, you know, be herself in this really

613
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: oppressive environment and her like treasured object is a rainbow blanket.

614
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: And then you have Christy Carlson Romano, who is you know,

615
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: trying to basically like assimilate and thrive within the suppressive environment.

616
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: And she destroys the blanket, but she secretly thinks it's

617
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: cool and like it's just the symbolism theism. I found

618
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: this list on something called auto Straddle dot com um,

619
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: where a contributor is my favorite website um, a contributor

620
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: by the name of may ranks all one hundred Disney

621
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: Channel original movies by lesbianism. It's the funniest thing I've

622
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: ever seen, and it's it's just a list of literally

623
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: over a hundred d cooms, right, and Cadet Kelly comes

624
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: in third, like the third most lesbians. Number one is

625
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: Princess Protection Program. Yeah. Yeah, it is always kind of

626
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 1: those like weirdly like military premises that like, you know,

627
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: let this, I forgot about Princess Protection Program, all right.

628
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: And then number two, which is one that we got

629
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: a Bazilian request for as we were gathering requests for

630
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: d comsum, was Moto Crossed. Okay, this is a good list.

631
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: It's because even down to like the haircut, absolutely like

632
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: they were really on one. I really am, Like, I mean,

633
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: the chemistry that these two have in this movie is incredible.

634
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: It's like you're talking about Kelly, Kelly and Jennifer right,

635
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: because to me, there are so many combinations of characters

636
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: that you can like ship and like that there's like

637
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: romantic tension between them because I was getting very strong.

638
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: Carla has a biggest crush I've ever seen on Kelly.

639
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: Can we can we talk about it? Please? Because this

640
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 1: is the hill I'm ready to die on, Like tired

641
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: is you know, bless the Heart's tired is Kelly and

642
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: Jennifer wired is Carla and Kelly all the way through

643
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: you just she's like looking at it all loggingly. She

644
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,919
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, I'll help you figure it out. Sure,

645
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: I'll take over your little spit cleaning job so you

646
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 1: can join the little gun whatever, uh like the gun whatever,

647
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: the drill team, Like yeah, I'll stay over at your

648
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: house and like we can pick out dresses for the dance.

649
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: And I love you. I mean what Like that's that's

650
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: her whole vibe the entire movie. And she's just like,

651
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 1: I love you. I mean, if you're down for cool,

652
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: it's not, it's fine. But I love Carla first, first

653
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: and foremost. Because I'm a huge Degrassy fan. It's Hazel

654
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: like one of the iconic o G degrassy characters. I

655
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: don't think i'd ever seen her in anything else. I

656
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: forgot that this character was played by her, and uh,

657
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: she's great. I wish that we knew more about her.

658
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: I feel like everything we learned about her is extremely vague,

659
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: to the point where I was like, is this going

660
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: to come back? Where she kind of makes it sound

661
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: like she didn't have a great home life, but she

662
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: words it like, well, if I could choose, it wouldn't

663
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: have been the one I would have chosen, and then

664
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: that that's kind of the last we hear of it.

665
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 1: I wish that we got to know her better outside

666
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: of like saying what a big crush she has on Kelly,

667
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: which is amazing. I wish I wish the Kelly knew

668
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: more about her, right, I wish that they've made some

669
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: more illusions because it's like, Okay, so your whole life

670
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: wasn't great, but don't they have to pay for military school? Right?

671
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: So like for it? You know, I wish like what

672
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 1: is going is going on there? They didn't really give

673
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: her more, but I wish that they did, for sure,

674
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 1: because I love the actress who plays her. Andrew Lewis yes,

675
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: she's she's like a two thousand's two thous I mean,

676
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: she's just an icon. She's the best, and she gives

677
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 1: such a like sweet performance here too, of like when

678
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: I just every time she walks away from the crowd

679
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: because she's shy and like, so we're like, Carla, no,

680
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:48,919
Speaker 1: come come hang out with a group Carla, Like, um, yeah,

681
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: I do wish we had just had gotten to learn

682
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: more about her because at least with Jennifer, they kind

683
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: of just say, like, oh, she's from a military family,

684
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: so there's pressure on her, like and it's just a

685
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: sentence of context, but it is helpful in like knowing

686
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 1: where she's coming from. But for some but like with Carla,

687
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: it just seems like it comes up a few times,

688
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: but it's just completely beaten around the bush and talked

689
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: around and then you never find out. Yeah, it feels

690
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: like deliberately glossed over. But then it's just it's such

691
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: a bummer too, because like Kelly tells Carla a bunch

692
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 1: of stuff about herself, but it's like, but Carla never

693
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: gets yeah, Kelly, give Carla a chance to talk about herself.

694
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: I found it so one of my favorite even though

695
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: it breaks my heart. But that scene when Carla sees

696
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: Kelly called Amanda her best friend and then I'm like,

697
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, I did that. I did that. It

698
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: was so sweet and she was so broken hearted. And

699
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: then it was like wild because Kelly still didn't get

700
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: it until her stepdad was like, you can have more

701
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: than one best friend and she was like okay, dude,

702
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: She's like, oh she's You're right, and I love it.

703
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: He was like two bed friends, two dads. You're like,

704
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: which is another like even just quote straight marriage between

705
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 1: Kelly's mom and Joe. It's like, no, I'm like shipping

706
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: Joe and Kelly's dad. Right, they had a look between

707
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: each other that was much more powerful than any look.

708
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: Why else would Joe insist on like, Okay, we have

709
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 1: to go find They don't even know what's why he's

710
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: not there at the recital or whatever they're doing, but

711
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: he's like we have to go. He's like, we have

712
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: to go find him. He might be hurt in the woods.

713
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: And it's like Joe, like, you've got like you have

714
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: to stay behind it your recital, Like this is such

715
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: a big deal. But there's this whole weird subplot that

716
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: like starts to overwhelm the main plot, but it's like

717
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: the subplot between Kelly and her stepdad and then also

718
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: like Kelly and her dad, Like it's all these weird

719
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: dad related subplots that like start to take up too

720
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: much space. It was a very long scene, but the

721
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: point is that, um, I'm pretty sure there was also

722
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: a romantic tension between m Kelly's dad and two dads.

723
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: Two dads. She even says like, I have two dads.

724
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: They're definitely because the random baby on the way I

725
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: was like, maybe the baby on the way is the

726
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 1: compromise for them introducing Kelly's dad into their relationship Galaxy

727
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: brain the plot baby, there's another weird thing with that,

728
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: and this will bring it back to the relationship with Carla.

729
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: But there's a very bizarre interaction that Kelly has with

730
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,720
Speaker 1: her mom um when Kelly's mom is like, by the way,

731
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,919
Speaker 1: I'm gregnant, and she's like, don't worry, Kelly, I'll still

732
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: love you. That was so I was like, Kelly did

733
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: not that's not your first thought when you find out

734
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: or that I was that that's not what you say

735
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 1: to your child. I don't love you. And I've been

736
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,919
Speaker 1: thinking about that too, but but I probably still will

737
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: and I've loved you longer. I was like, but then

738
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: she said something in between that She's like, I'll probably

739
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: still love you, and then she says and I'm sure

740
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to love this baby. Like that's too much uncertainty.

741
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:46,479
Speaker 1: I have to have like headcanon theory about Kelly's mom.

742
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: I think that Kelly's mom is going to wake up

743
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 1: one morning and be like what am I doing? Because

744
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 1: she like she she is. I don't know. I feel

745
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: like Kelly. Kelly's mom is kind of the atom of

746
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 1: the plot in a lot of ways because it's like

747
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: she's like a working mom and she's like an editor

748
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: in New York and then she needs Gary Cole boom

749
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: drops everything. She's like, Okay, I'm retired. I cook full time.

750
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: Which there's a lot we'll we'll talk about that as well,

751
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 1: of like the military life and the pressures put on

752
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: military wives, Like that's a very real thing, but the

753
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,280
Speaker 1: way that the plot frames it is kind of goofy,

754
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 1: and it just seems like her life does a one

755
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 1: eighty entirely. And then and then it sealed it for

756
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: me when she was like, I think I'll love this baby.

757
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know that you're totally sold on

758
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: the decisions you're making. Mom, Like I feel for her.

759
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: I do too, because I was like, like, when I

760
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: watched it recent week, I was like, well, wait, so

761
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,399
Speaker 1: she just drops everything in New York forces her kid

762
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: to go into military school. Feels like this is the

763
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: right decision. So like you went from and I understand

764
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: that people want to be homemakers like cool, but it

765
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:03,240
Speaker 1: just seems so odd to me that you you're dating

766
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: this man and then you marry him and you're like, well,

767
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: I don't want to work anymore. All that work I

768
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: don't want to do, and then bam, I'm gonna ship

769
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: my kid off to military school when she's like in

770
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: the middle of a school year and everything right art

771
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,919
Speaker 1: school and take her from everything she knows to be like,

772
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 1: this is gonna be great for you, Kelly. No, it's

773
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: that it's not. It's gonna be so bad. And I

774
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: even tweeted, I was like, did she go to does

775
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: she have to go into the army after military school?

776
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: And people were like, no, chill, it's okay, she doesn't.

777
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, thank god, because she probably doesn't want to. No, no,

778
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: she believes in gun control. I love that, she explained,

779
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: but she and then and then also that's also kind

780
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: of on like her biological dad too for not like

781
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: speaking up. He's like, oh yeah, like I'm just kind

782
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,720
Speaker 1: of a photographer. So I guess we're going to military school.

783
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, someone should be Maybee questioning the military school

784
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: besides Kelly. Like even Kelly's best friend Amanda doesn't question it.

785
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm gonna miss you this ups was like,

786
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: why is no one standing up for Kelly. Yeah, that's

787
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: the whole thing. But bringing it back to the Carla thing,

788
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: so her mom is like, you know, I think I'll

789
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 1: probably still love you. I'll probably also love this baby, probably,

790
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: but I will love you longer Kelly. And that's what

791
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:31,280
Speaker 1: Kelly says to Carla, where it's like, yes, you're also

792
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 1: my best friend. It's just that I haven't liked you

793
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: as long as my other best friend. And it's like

794
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: this weird callback it's so weird. But as far as

795
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: the Kelly Carla friendship slash potential romantic relationship, that was

796
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 1: like the big one that I was shipping in the movie.

797
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 1: That makes me so happy because I feel like a

798
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: bazillion like articles. You know, it's not necessarily like prestige

799
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: journalism that's being a lot of these. I've had a

800
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: lot of sub stacked newsletters that are just like my

801
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: favorite My favorite title was when a newsletter that came

802
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:11,280
Speaker 1: out last year. Then the headline is just Cadet Kelly

803
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 1: was lesbians, and then and the story continues. It's really fun.

804
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,919
Speaker 1: But yeah, they mostly focus on Jennifer and Kelly when

805
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: there really is I mean, there's a whole menu of

806
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 1: ships to be had because we also we haven't brought

807
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: up Gloria yet. Gloria love so oh my god, she's

808
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: got she is and we get I mean we at

809
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: least we get more backstory for her as well, which

810
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 1: I thought was like that scene with her and Kelly

811
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: is so nice and then they like stay friends and

812
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: build their friendship and I like, I don't remember picking

813
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,439
Speaker 1: up on that ship as much when I was a kid,

814
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: but this time I was like, I think Gloria was

815
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: my top ship this year. Glory is just gorgeous. I

816
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: felt like she had more of a thing with Jennifer

817
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 1: than Oh sure there was a vibe there. Yeah, they

818
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: were they like, I mean, because it was they were

819
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: like I don't know, I don't know how military school

820
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: relationships work, but they were together all the time. Maybe

821
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:26,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, well so much weird stuff with Brad.

822
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 1: But there's that scene where like Brad's in the distance

823
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: and Jennifer thinks that she likes spread because like either

824
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: she's suppressing her queer feelings or she doesn't know that

825
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: she's gay yet or something. But she's just like, how

826
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: does my hair look? And then Glory is like it

827
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: looks perfect, it always does. Well, yeah, you're just like, okay, Gloria.

828
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 1: I yeah, I really like Gloria. I'm glad that she

829
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: I kind of like forgot what her exact thread through

830
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 1: the story was, and I was worried that we weren't

831
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: going to get her back after and Kelly have, like

832
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: I few, what she and Kelly have is just like

833
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: a really strong, like powerful queer friendship and I love it.

834
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: And then and then when she comes back and she

835
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 1: like teaches her how to guns, I don't know, there's

836
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 1: like that's the that's it's the perfect way to describe

837
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: Kelly's like teach me how two guns, and Gloria was like, Okay,

838
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 1: I'll do it, and she teaches her to how guns

839
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: and she gets really good at guns, and I don't

840
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: I mean, the military industrial part of their friendship isn't

841
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: my favorite, but it is very sweet. Like that friendship

842
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: is very sweet. I wish you got like another like

843
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: last moment with Gloria and Jennifer, because that's the thing.

844
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: Kelly also realizes the importance of paying someone for their

845
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: time and effort. She's like, I need you to train

846
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: me two guns, but I'm not gonna I insist on

847
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: paying you. So here good, but I have to offer

848
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: s spar She was like, welcome to my etap like

849
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 1: she's what she's like. And then isn't there some like

850
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: occasional like the occasional use of a Hillary Duff voiceover

851
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,919
Speaker 1: was like accessories are always the way to a girl's heart.

852
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, yeah, even when she was like

853
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 1: I have to figure out how to fix this family

854
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: and raise this baby and it's gonna be hard, and

855
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, aren't you fifty? Like she's right young, Like

856
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: go out the side and play what do you mean, Kelly?

857
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: In general, I just just rewatching it this time, like

858
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 1: Kelly is such a like good and open minded and

859
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 1: like thoughtful person. I love her. She's when her when

860
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: she finds out her mom is pregnant, She's like, I

861
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: guess I have to be in the military because I

862
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 1: don't want my mom to get upset. While she's agnant,

863
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: I'm like what what, Like she's just so concern the

864
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,919
Speaker 1: two women in the family, between Kelly and her mom,

865
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 1: they make way too many compromises, just like, no, stop it,

866
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 1: stop compromising for especially because you get the feeling that

867
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 1: Kelly's mom is waiting for her to say, let's get

868
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:26,959
Speaker 1: out of here, and then she's like, oh, thank god,

869
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 1: and then they could, they would just flee, but they're

870
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: like not kid, because because Kelly wants to appease her mom,

871
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 1: her mom wants to appease Kelly and her new husband,

872
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: and then they're just trapped in the military right and

873
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 1: not when they get a thing. But Joe feels like

874
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: the type of guy who you know, gets off of

875
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 1: work on the weekend, drinks a little too much, says

876
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 1: something like smart and like it's kind of nasty when

877
00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: he drinks, Like I don't know, I just kind of

878
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: have I I was like, are you sure you want to,

879
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: but do you want to stay here? You could, like

880
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 1: you guys could you could have the baby and then

881
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 1: you could go, like you don't have to stay here

882
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: at the military school around He's like the principle of

883
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: the pact. Really, you really gave up your life so

884
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,919
Speaker 1: that you could go be a principle. That's cool, which

885
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: is a choice. But I just I've always thought that,

886
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: like in some way, she was like, can we go,

887
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: Like we'll take Carla too, Like let's right, let's yeah,

888
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 1: we'll take Carla and the baby. We're fleeing the state,

889
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: like we're getting out of here. It makes no sense

890
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: why Kelly's mom would marry this guy like they have

891
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: such I don't. I don't understand that relationship. I did,

892
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 1: and I wish that I feel like even though I

893
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: appreciate and we'll talk about this as well, but like

894
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: I do appreciate like the Amica Bull divorce uh plot point,

895
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: which I feel like you never get in movies, even

896
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: though it is like not uncommon at all and just

897
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: like normalizes it. But but yeah, like the really only

898
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: know that they met at a wedding. That's kind of

899
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: the only I don't know. I just feel like something

900
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: is really sinister is going on there. It just seems

901
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: strange for like a woman you know, like well into

902
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: her career and seeming to thrive at it. Like I

903
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 1: wish we hadn't seen a discussion between Gary Cole and

904
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 1: Kelly's mom just to get some context for like, you know,

905
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: even just a line from Kelly's mom like this is

906
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 1: actually great. Like I feel like i I've finished what

907
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: i wanted to do in this profession. I'm ready to

908
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 1: move on. I'm sick of this city. Whatever it is,

909
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: something not just like I feel like at this point,

910
00:58:56,360 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 1: the reason she's with Joe is because he's more stable, right,

911
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:04,919
Speaker 1: But like he's so boring and like his whole thing

912
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: was like, oh, well, you know, my dad was the

913
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: principal of this school and his dad was also the principal,

914
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: And it's like okay, but like do you do anything

915
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: for fun? Like what do you like? What do you

916
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: do for fun? Do you watch TV? He used to

917
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 1: guns for fun. It was so weird to how they

918
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: were like, oh, the guns stuff. It's like super important,

919
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: super serious, like don't make a makari of it. But

920
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: it's also like, so you guys go to competitions and

921
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 1: you play with guns and then you leave. How serious

922
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 1: is that? Really? It is a gun recital. Like you

923
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 1: hate to say it and you hate to hear it,

924
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: but it's fully a gun recital. They're dancing that also.

925
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 1: I mean that that day dancing cemented in One Forever, well,

926
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: the one where they're like kind of improvising the one

927
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 1: and they have a dance off or yeah, whatever you

928
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: would call that, but they're like, oh that was for me,

929
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: that was my rewind moment. That and all the scenes

930
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: where Christie Carol to Romano gets really close to Hillary

931
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 1: Doub's face I know so often between a bunch of

932
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 1: different characters and it's like just kiss already. It is

933
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 1: so funny time. I mean it is not, but like

934
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 1: curious that Christie Crosson Romano like gave that performance and

935
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: then was like all coy about it, you know, fifteen

936
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: years later, Like I don't know, I was like, you know,

937
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: Christie crows the Romano so close to Hillary Dub's face. Um,

938
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: but yeah, this is just there. There really is just

939
01:00:55,080 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 1: a full menu of queer ships in this movie, and

940
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 1: it makes me very happy. I wish we'd just gotten more.

941
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: Carla agreed. Also, I think that the dances they make

942
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 1: me laugh because the one on the quad is better

943
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: than the one. Yeah, no, we like it's just like

944
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: the one on the quad is better, and I'm like,

945
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 1: how does that work? Look? Okay? Great? They were just

946
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: like improv They're like yes and zips upsp or it's

947
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 1: gonna like improv this whatever. And then the one that's

948
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 1: like rehearsed, which like, there's some weird editing choices made

949
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 1: in that scene, and I was like, who the funk

950
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 1: edited this movie? And I looked it up and it's

951
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 1: a woman, And I felt really bad for thinking it

952
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 1: was horrible editing because I was like, oh, women never

953
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: get to be editors and movies when it can be

954
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 1: mediocre too. That's true that that's always been our goal

955
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 1: on this show, But you're right, the dance on the

956
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: quad was much more enjoyable to watch, just better choreographed

957
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 1: than the weird one at the gun recital. And it's

958
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 1: really like it also isn't saying much because they both

959
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: weren't great, but given the shorts, the one in the

960
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: quad was definitely better. Yes, yeah, and then you mentioned

961
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 1: this earlier, Kia, But the fact that Carla ends up

962
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:24,919
Speaker 1: kind of being a part of the drill team, not

963
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 1: like actually on the on the team, but she just

964
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 1: like basically, Kelly's just like, I don't like to shine shoes.

965
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 1: Will you like help me or we can you just

966
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 1: be here with me? And Carlos just like, yes, I

967
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 1: have an enormous crush on you, so I will be

968
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: I will go wherever you are. Literally that's the only

969
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: explanation because I would not be like, oh yeah, I'll

970
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 1: shine shoes even though I don't have to write, because

971
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: like Kelly is doing it as a punishment. And then

972
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 1: she's just like, hey, can you do my punishment with me?

973
01:02:56,360 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 1: And Carlos like yes. It's like, well I think kids,

974
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, like and then and then Carla tries

975
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: to reverse engineer and she's like, this is actually because

976
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 1: the military means that I should shine shooes with you

977
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 1: because I'm in love with you, But it's actually because

978
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 1: of the military, did you know? And Kelly was like, okay,

979
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 1: is so oblivious to Carla's crush on her. It is

980
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 1: she needs to open her eyes and see the light. Um, well, Kia,

981
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 1: do you have any other thoughts about yes, I do

982
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 1: that quickly, Yes, I didn't like at the end. Okay,

983
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 1: so when Jennifer is like, oh, my family is moving

984
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 1: and like I hope that you become a whatever and

985
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 1: like get a little maggot just like you or whatever,

986
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 1: and I was like, but how we don't glorify this

987
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 1: little rank thing that you have going on and tell

988
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 1: tell you to leave military school. I just like you're

989
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 1: giving her the wrong message, like she's not supposed to

990
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 1: be all hard and mean or whatever. Like I don't know,

991
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 1: I just I thought about that when I was rewatching it.

992
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 1: I was like, no, I don't want her to get

993
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 1: another magat. I want her to go home. I want

994
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 1: I also was like that choice. I I vaguely remember that,

995
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 1: but it felt a little bit cruel where so many

996
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 1: of these d coms, like it was assumed that there

997
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 1: was going to be a sequel, but this, this kind

998
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 1: of the end of this movie kind of like slams

999
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 1: the promise of a sequel. It just like slams the

1000
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 1: door in your face, like, no, they don't go to

1001
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: school and they're never gonna kiss. Stop dreaming Jamie, Like

1002
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 1: they're like they're never going to kiss, and um, that

1003
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 1: was hurtful. Why did they do that? Yeah, they had

1004
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 1: They gave you no opening. They were like a sequel

1005
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 1: in High School Musical. They're like, well, maybe we'll kiss

1006
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 1: next year, you know. Like but you're right, like with

1007
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 1: the dynamic between I mean kind of separating it, separating

1008
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 1: the queer read from it, just like the dynamic between

1009
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 1: Kelly and Jennifer is this very like Jennifer's higher ranking

1010
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 1: and she's this like militant, like you maggot, you suck.

1011
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 1: I hate you, and I'm gonna rip your blanket apart,

1012
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 1: and just like all this stuff, but ripping your blanket

1013
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 1: the same thing happens in Full Metal Jacket too, I'm

1014
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 1: pretty sure. But she but then they become friends, as

1015
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 1: the movie wants you to think that it's just a

1016
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 1: platonic friendship, but like, this is something we see in

1017
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 1: a lot of like straight romantic relationships in movies as well,

1018
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 1: where it starts out as this either antagonistic or like

1019
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 1: a man is stalking a woman or a man is

1020
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: abusive to a woman, and then suddenly or gradually they

1021
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 1: are in love with each other, and it feels like

1022
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 1: it's just like a weird trope and this exists with

1023
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 1: like in other movies of um like female friendships where

1024
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 1: or something that starts out as a very antagonistic female relationship,

1025
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 1: UM that kind of grows over time, and I don't again,

1026
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 1: I'm always like trying to figure out, like, what is

1027
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 1: the use of this or what's the purpose or what

1028
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 1: are you trying to say with all of this. Yeah,

1029
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 1: like that enemies to lovers trope, but I think a

1030
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 1: lot of times it can be harmful in the grand

1031
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 1: scheme of things because they never when they get to

1032
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 1: the point of being friends, right, they never really discussed

1033
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 1: the previous abuse. They don't believe in rectifying that situation.

1034
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 1: It's just like, oh, we're friends now, so we're not

1035
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 1: going to talk about, you know, how you made me

1036
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 1: feel like crap, or how you pushed me in the dirt,

1037
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 1: ripping my blanket, did X, Y and Z just to

1038
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 1: get back at me? And I think that that's not

1039
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 1: as cute as people seem to believe when they're like

1040
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 1: praising them, Like, I feel like there should be a

1041
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 1: an aspect to these stories where it's like, I'm also

1042
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 1: going to apologize for my previous and that would be

1043
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 1: much more healthy than just what they do now. She's

1044
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 1: just like I'm moving to Europe by hopefully you get

1045
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 1: someone that you get to abuse later too. And it

1046
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 1: also it ties into the like women in competition trope

1047
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 1: as well, where again the story has you believe that

1048
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 1: they're kind of competing for the affection of this brad

1049
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 1: guy because there's that scene where they're like they both

1050
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 1: spot him across the quad and then they like speedwalk

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01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 1: over to him to like try to like make a

1052
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 1: good impression on him. So and then just like on

1053
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 1: top of that again just like the antagonistic female relationship,

1054
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 1: and it's for no other reason than like Jennifer is

1055
01:07:55,200 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 1: just like mean and it's like I don't I can't

1056
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:02,320
Speaker 1: really make sense of it, but it happens a lot

1057
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 1: in both like children's media and like rom coms, where

1058
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 1: it's just like the two people, the two leads of

1059
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 1: this movie, they hate each other. Why because reasons right,

1060
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 1: because plot devices like it is. It's it's funny because

1061
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 1: even as a person who enjoys a lot of enemies

1062
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 1: to lovers fan fit, I only ever enjoy the ones

1063
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:34,720
Speaker 1: where they like where there's an apology like that's my wheelhouse.

1064
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:39,639
Speaker 1: I'm I don't understand when it's like I slashed your tires,

1065
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:44,439
Speaker 1: I keep your a car, I punched your mom in

1066
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 1: the face. But we're not gonna talk about any of that.

1067
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 1: We're just gonna We're too busy kissing now, right. It

1068
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 1: is like what I mean, It's like, it's pretty clear

1069
01:08:54,640 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 1: that jenniferes Kelly a pretty huge apology before lead, and

1070
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:02,559
Speaker 1: I feel like it is just kind of glazed over,

1071
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 1: like by the fact that she gave Kelly a compliment

1072
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 1: one time that it's like, oh, and all is forgiven,

1073
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 1: which obviously is not true or realistic, and it kind

1074
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 1: of like glazes over. A lot of what she was

1075
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 1: doing was not like like I don't know. I mean,

1076
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 1: I guess I've never been to a military school, full disclosure.

1077
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 1: But in theory, you cannot just target a single person

1078
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 1: and harass them and destroy their stuff relentlessly, um and

1079
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 1: then be like it's because I had a crash, like

1080
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:45,599
Speaker 1: because I thought she was cute. Like no, I think

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01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 1: her parents also owe her. Kelly's parents also owe her

1082
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 1: an apology. I'm like dead set on that because you

1083
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:57,720
Speaker 1: just uprooted her and like you didn't ask for her opinion,

1084
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 1: And I think it's a larger ultural issue where we

1085
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 1: don't talk to children about what they want and need

1086
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:07,640
Speaker 1: because we think that because we're parents, we have the

1087
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 1: ultimate day. But you know, that's maybe a little too

1088
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:14,599
Speaker 1: too deep for the conversation. But I thought about it.

1089
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, you really just changed her life forced to

1090
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:20,760
Speaker 1: attend to military school because I guess i'mline classes were

1091
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 1: an option, and then you were think you were like,

1092
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 1: you're gonna enjoy it, Like I just I don't know.

1093
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 1: I think that they need to apology to her and

1094
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 1: then also promised the baby that comes that the baby

1095
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:37,759
Speaker 1: doesn't have to go to military school. Yes, the baby

1096
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 1: that may or may not be loved by its mother. Um. Yeah,

1097
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 1: it's such a drastic change that Kelly has to It's

1098
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 1: like one thing if like a family has to move,

1099
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:52,640
Speaker 1: or like there's a remarriage, and like things get slightly uprooted.

1100
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 1: But to take her from an arts school in New

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01:10:55,880 --> 01:11:02,560
Speaker 1: York City to a rigid Millet Harry industrial complex education

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01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 1: that has to be pretty traumatic. But the movie doesn't

1103
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:11,760
Speaker 1: do that much to explore that. Really. Um, I guess

1104
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:13,679
Speaker 1: the last thing I wanted to talk about in relation

1105
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:20,559
Speaker 1: to the queer subtext slash text is Brad. So, what's

1106
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:23,719
Speaker 1: his name? Sean Ashmore, who I guess has a twin.

1107
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 1: Didn't know until I did some research for the movie. Um, yeah,

1108
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 1: he was a twin who was in I think Aaron Ashmore,

1109
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:35,600
Speaker 1: who is in Veronica Mars the whole thing. Anyway, Brad

1110
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:40,639
Speaker 1: is like the hottest boy in school all the movie. Again,

1111
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:42,719
Speaker 1: the movie wants you to think that all the girls

1112
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 1: love him, and it's like, um okay. But there's a

1113
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 1: really confusing aspect to the movie where Carlos says something

1114
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 1: to Kelly towards the beginning that makes you think that

1115
01:11:54,920 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 1: Jennifer and Brad are dating, but then Jennifer has to

1116
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 1: try to get him interested in her again, Like I

1117
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 1: don't think, like are they dating or that she just

1118
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:08,760
Speaker 1: have a crush on hitting they were that I my

1119
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 1: read was that they were not like officially, at least

1120
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:15,759
Speaker 1: not in like in an an official way. Otherwise Brad

1121
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 1: is a terrible that's the thing, because like, I'm still

1122
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 1: a little unclear, but I think the movie's idea is

1123
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 1: that they are dating because they like go to the

1124
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:31,639
Speaker 1: dance together. Carla says, Oh, that's Jennifer's man, so he's

1125
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 1: off limits to all the other girls, like all this

1126
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:36,240
Speaker 1: stuff that makes you think that they're like together. But

1127
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:42,479
Speaker 1: he treats Jennifer so horribly, like ignores her, like he's like,

1128
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 1: I don't really care like what you have to say,

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01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:47,200
Speaker 1: and he laughs at her when she gets mud, like

1130
01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 1: when Kelly gets muddle over her dress. If I saw

1131
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 1: my boyfriend spitting on another girl's shoe, I would be like,

1132
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 1: excuse you, there's an agreement that you do not sp

1133
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 1: it on another girl's shoe, like even the even the

1134
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:06,600
Speaker 1: hat thing. When she had to show her hair, he

1135
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 1: was like, you have to show, it's regulation. He humiliates

1136
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:15,599
Speaker 1: her publicly in the little um Cadet hearing I'm upset

1137
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 1: by this, Like, oh, Brad, all the girls like Bred,

1138
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 1: but Bred even like girls is the question I might

1139
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:25,680
Speaker 1: not even like girls. It was like, I don't I

1140
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 1: want to go home. He was like, I didn't ask

1141
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 1: for this. Talk about characters we know nothing about, like Brad,

1142
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 1: You're just like, what could possibly be going on with Brad?

1143
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 1: We don't know, We'll never know, Like his background is

1144
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:43,840
Speaker 1: unclear to us. He seems pretty mediocre at what he does,

1145
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:48,920
Speaker 1: like if he really is canonically supposed to be Jennifer's

1146
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:53,800
Speaker 1: boyfriend who likes her. He's doing He's a mean, terrible,

1147
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 1: neglectful boyfriend. Truly. I guess at least I appreciated the

1148
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:03,759
Speaker 1: at that storyline just kind of tapers off and doesn't

1149
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:06,760
Speaker 1: come into anything. And it's not as though, like I

1150
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 1: had a feeling because I hadn't seen this before and

1151
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 1: I didn't know how the story was going to go.

1152
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:13,880
Speaker 1: What I thought was going to happen was that they

1153
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:17,520
Speaker 1: had really wedge in a love story between Kelly and Brad,

1154
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:20,559
Speaker 1: where you know, Brad is dating Jennifer at first, but

1155
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:23,479
Speaker 1: then he starts to see how mean she is, and

1156
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 1: then he starts to like Kelly because she's nice and

1157
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 1: quirky and fun. And so the fact that the movie

1158
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 1: doesn't go in that direction and what was being set

1159
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 1: up there sort of doesn't pay off at all. I

1160
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 1: do appreciate that, because this feels like a movie where

1161
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 1: a hetero romantic subplot was not necessary. I think that

1162
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 1: was too because of the age difference at the time

1163
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 1: of me, I think he was much older than he

1164
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 1: three duffs. They probably didn't true oh like in real life. Okay, yeah,

1165
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:57,680
Speaker 1: that makes sense because Hilary Duff was like fourteen on

1166
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:00,639
Speaker 1: this movie was shot, which you for it because she's

1167
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:04,800
Speaker 1: such a talented actress, but she was quite young. And

1168
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 1: then I think, um, Chrissy Carlson Romano is seventeen in

1169
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 1: this movie. Everyone is children, but I think isn't Shawanna

1170
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:16,559
Speaker 1: Ashmore he was like in his early twenties. Is not children? Yeah,

1171
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 1: And the Gloria wasn't either I or something. She's everything

1172
01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 1: to me. So it's like my wife just checking it

1173
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 1: on her. But it's I think that that's part of

1174
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 1: it too, where she's like they were like, bro, we

1175
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 1: can't have this child and this grown man like kids

1176
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:48,679
Speaker 1: on Disney Channel. But I wasn't. I wasn't upset by

1177
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:50,879
Speaker 1: that at all because it felt like it was forced.

1178
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 1: Like the most that I remember Brad say in the movie,

1179
01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:57,599
Speaker 1: even seconds after watching it, is you make me smile

1180
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:01,640
Speaker 1: connect Kelly, Like I don't remember anything else he says.

1181
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 1: So I'm like, well that was weak anyway, Like it

1182
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:06,720
Speaker 1: was like maybe the person who wrote it felt like

1183
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:10,560
Speaker 1: they needed to be a love interest, but also realized

1184
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 1: while they were writing it that the more interesting relationship

1185
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 1: was between the relationships, and like all of the the

1186
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 1: girls and not the men, Like the men seemed to

1187
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:26,640
Speaker 1: be props that they were, which I think is revolutionary

1188
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 1: for the time being. Quick Yeah, no, these guys are

1189
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:33,720
Speaker 1: just props, like they're here for this and this and this,

1190
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 1: but we're not really here for them. So it was

1191
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 1: like that was nice. We appreciate that. Yeah, I agree, Yeah, Kia.

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01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:45,640
Speaker 1: Any other thoughts, I mean, I think I covered I

1193
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:50,759
Speaker 1: think I covered off. This was just like the most

1194
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:58,599
Speaker 1: life affirming discussion. Well, thank you so much for joining us.

1195
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:04,840
Speaker 1: This was tons of fun. And where can people follow you?

1196
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 1: Where can people check out your stuff? Etcetera. Yeah, um,

1197
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:11,559
Speaker 1: I for first of all, thank you for having me.

1198
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:16,479
Speaker 1: That was really genuinely so much fun. You can find

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01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 1: me on Twitter and Instagram at Kia k e A

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01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:25,439
Speaker 1: h Underscore Maria m A I A. I have a

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01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:29,880
Speaker 1: website Kia brown dot com and a Facebook page at

1202
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:33,439
Speaker 1: the Kia Brown, so I'm in all those spaces. And

1203
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 1: then um, you can buy my book to pretty One

1204
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 1: available now for purchase, and then in fall of I

1205
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:44,559
Speaker 1: have a picture book coming out called Sam's Super Seats

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01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:48,960
Speaker 1: for the Children via cople of Books. So all those

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01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:52,559
Speaker 1: good things I can keep you updated with, Yes and

1208
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:55,839
Speaker 1: come back on the show another time. Bring your favorite

1209
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:59,719
Speaker 1: movie and we'll get us. Oh no, I'm definitely taking

1210
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 1: you up on that. Yeah. Yeah, happy to have you

1211
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 1: any time. Thank you both. Yeah, thanks again so much,

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01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:16,639
Speaker 1: Kia for for joining us. Um, we have a few

1213
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 1: more things we want to discuss. UM. I think another

1214
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 1: major thing to talk about is the like very pro

1215
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:36,080
Speaker 1: military propaganda message that this movie is. Yeah, so I, um,

1216
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 1: I can speak to this a little bit about some

1217
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:44,760
Speaker 1: of the culture that has portrayed here. Uh, because as

1218
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:46,880
Speaker 1: I think I brought it up on the Matrian before

1219
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 1: and as you know, Caitlin I almost married into the

1220
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 1: military rather young, and this whole like set up of

1221
01:18:56,400 --> 01:19:00,320
Speaker 1: the I don't know, like this is. I think it's

1222
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:05,599
Speaker 1: a little unusual because it's directed mainly at teen girls. Um,

1223
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:08,880
Speaker 1: and I think it is far more common and this

1224
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 1: is pointed and gendered in itself. But um, for this

1225
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:17,680
Speaker 1: kind of propaganda to be angled at young male identifying

1226
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 1: children is like, okay, you need you know, how what

1227
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 1: is the peak of masculinity, what is the peak of

1228
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:27,840
Speaker 1: you know, discipline? And and so I feel like the

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01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 1: vast majority of you know, like military movies about young

1230
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:37,599
Speaker 1: people are feature and are targeted at boys, so this

1231
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:41,679
Speaker 1: is I think the rare exception that we see young

1232
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:46,799
Speaker 1: women doing it. I don't. Unfortunately, it's still the fucking

1233
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 1: military industrial complex that there is really no downside. I

1234
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:57,439
Speaker 1: think my main issue is there is no real downside

1235
01:19:57,720 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 1: to this like situation for Kelly. It sort of implies,

1236
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 1: I think in a slightly disingenuous way that like there

1237
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:11,720
Speaker 1: was room for individualism in the military, and like you

1238
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:15,480
Speaker 1: can meet people in the middle our students can become soldiers,

1239
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:19,280
Speaker 1: And it just feels a little I don't know, Like

1240
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:21,720
Speaker 1: I will say, watching this movie as a kid did

1241
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 1: not make me want to go to military school. For

1242
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:27,400
Speaker 1: what it's worked. It's still and I'd be curious to

1243
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 1: hear what our listeners who saw it as as young

1244
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 1: people think. But it didn't make me want to go

1245
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:36,680
Speaker 1: to a military academy. But it did I think. I

1246
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:40,439
Speaker 1: think that the takeaway you're supposed to get is that Kelly,

1247
01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:45,040
Speaker 1: while she is a like very original and individual person,

1248
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:47,519
Speaker 1: which she hasn't really punished for, it does help her

1249
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:50,719
Speaker 1: character every step of the way, But like her life

1250
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 1: was enriched for having learned the discipline of a military

1251
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 1: school and that she had made assumptions about the oppressiveness

1252
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:04,760
Speaker 1: of the environment that was inherently wrong, which if you

1253
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 1: look at I mean, and I don't I don't want

1254
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:10,720
Speaker 1: this episode to take too dark a turn, so I

1255
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:13,120
Speaker 1: will just say, you know, you can do your research

1256
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 1: on your own. But but the experience of any marginalized

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01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 1: person in the military, it is just it's just a

1258
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:24,400
Speaker 1: full on fallacy that military discipline and experience is a

1259
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:28,200
Speaker 1: universal good. That's not to say that it hasn't served

1260
01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:31,760
Speaker 1: many well. And we're not trying to discredit going to

1261
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:35,240
Speaker 1: a military school or joining the military as a life choice,

1262
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 1: like it's you know, were addicted to the troops, were

1263
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:44,600
Speaker 1: in love with the troops? Uh no, no, but that's

1264
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:48,120
Speaker 1: your choice, your body, your choice. I mean, And it's

1265
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:51,560
Speaker 1: like I, I don't know, I dated someone who was

1266
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 1: in the military for a very long time, and so

1267
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:58,560
Speaker 1: you know, but the implication that it is a universal

1268
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:03,600
Speaker 1: good for everyone, I mean, women are not treated particularly

1269
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:06,280
Speaker 1: well in the military, and that's a huge understatement. And

1270
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:08,680
Speaker 1: you can look at some recent news items for more

1271
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:12,600
Speaker 1: information on that. Um The subject of race in the

1272
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 1: military is not often brought up, and there's a huge

1273
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 1: historical erasure of non white soldiers. Uh, and and not

1274
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 1: to mention um being queer in the military, being trans

1275
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 1: in the military. There's there's endless stories and accounts about

1276
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 1: how the oppressive environment that is presented to us in

1277
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 1: this movie as something that will make you learn something

1278
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:37,400
Speaker 1: about yourself and make you a better person for yourself

1279
01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:40,520
Speaker 1: and for the people around you. You know, no negatives

1280
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 1: are really examined other than the fact that it's uncomfortable

1281
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 1: at first. I feel like that's as far as this

1282
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:48,640
Speaker 1: movie goes of like whoa, this is weird, and like

1283
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 1: I don't like that, like I'm being yelled at. But

1284
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 1: and not It's not like I'm not expecting this d

1285
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 1: coom to like take on this serious like deep rooted

1286
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 1: misogyny of the amor in military. But maybe it should.

1287
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 1: But it's it's it's too pro I feel like it's

1288
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:09,559
Speaker 1: it's hard to disagree that it's pre way too pro

1289
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:13,519
Speaker 1: So having seen this for the first time only days

1290
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:17,080
Speaker 1: ago and had no idea what it was about at

1291
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:19,920
Speaker 1: all based on what was being set up in like

1292
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 1: Act one, in the beginning of Act two, I had

1293
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:26,840
Speaker 1: really different ideas about where the story was going to

1294
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 1: go because here's here's what kind of gets set up.

1295
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:34,719
Speaker 1: So we meet Kelly at the arts school. She loves

1296
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 1: creative expression, She's very artistic. She's a free thinker. Uh,

1297
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:42,920
Speaker 1: and that's like the main thing about her character. Um.

1298
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:45,320
Speaker 1: Then she's told that she has to go to this

1299
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:48,400
Speaker 1: military school because her mom is making her uproot their

1300
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:52,439
Speaker 1: entire lives for a man. More or less. Kelly is

1301
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:56,800
Speaker 1: very reluctant about this, understandably. So then she gets to

1302
01:23:56,800 --> 01:23:59,720
Speaker 1: the military school. She sees what it's like, and she's like,

1303
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:03,320
Speaker 1: I need to turn this into a kinder, gentler place.

1304
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:06,840
Speaker 1: She says different lines of dialogue, like you know, we've

1305
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:10,479
Speaker 1: got brains, we're thinking people. She's challenging sort of the

1306
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:14,720
Speaker 1: uniformity of the military ideology every step of the way,

1307
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 1: or not every swell, at least at the beginning. Um,

1308
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:20,600
Speaker 1: she says, I'd really like to try and retain my

1309
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 1: individuality around here. She says, we may be in military school,

1310
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 1: but we still live in a democracy. She's talking about

1311
01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:32,080
Speaker 1: how she hates the uniformity, the rules, the khaki of

1312
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:34,800
Speaker 1: it all. So for the first chunk of the movie,

1313
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:38,280
Speaker 1: she's talking about how she wants to change this place.

1314
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:40,960
Speaker 1: So I thought where the story was going is that

1315
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:45,840
Speaker 1: she was going to bring her like creative energy and

1316
01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:49,320
Speaker 1: change everyone's mind about how the school should be run.

1317
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:55,400
Speaker 1: And instead she gets more and more indoctrinated into this

1318
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:59,040
Speaker 1: military lifestyle and ideology and basically loses her sense of

1319
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:04,080
Speaker 1: identity and be comes just another like military drone and

1320
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:07,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the fuck? And it feels very like

1321
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:09,479
Speaker 1: early two thousand, I mean, and this comes up in

1322
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:13,760
Speaker 1: every d calm discussion basically very like early two thousand's

1323
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:17,960
Speaker 1: girl power feminism, where it's like, oh, I can be

1324
01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 1: in the military, but I'm going to wear a scarf,

1325
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:25,360
Speaker 1: so girl power and you're like, no, Kelly, no there.

1326
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:29,600
Speaker 1: I think it is interesting where it's like the I

1327
01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:32,559
Speaker 1: think it's very clever and creative the way that the

1328
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 1: ideals of the military are presented to Kelly, because some

1329
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:37,240
Speaker 1: of it sounds good to the point where I agree

1330
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:40,920
Speaker 1: with it. Where it's like, you know, the um and

1331
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:44,839
Speaker 1: I think this is communicated through Carla, where Carla basically

1332
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:49,439
Speaker 1: says to Kelly, like, it's not just about you, it's

1333
01:25:49,479 --> 01:25:52,559
Speaker 1: also about you know, serving the interests of the group,

1334
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:55,560
Speaker 1: and like we help each other and we're a community,

1335
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:58,680
Speaker 1: and like stuff that is like, Okay, I agree with this,

1336
01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:04,840
Speaker 1: but but leaving out you know, it's it's misrepresenting biomission

1337
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:09,640
Speaker 1: what what you know, what they're actually being prepared and

1338
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:15,080
Speaker 1: groomed to do doesn't great or the politics of which

1339
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:17,840
Speaker 1: you know, like this is this movie was made during

1340
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:20,760
Speaker 1: the first Bush administration. This movie came out six months

1341
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:24,519
Speaker 1: after nine eleven. Like the context for what is going

1342
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:29,559
Speaker 1: on here is very intentionally, I feel not stated. I

1343
01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:32,160
Speaker 1: also was wondering they I was wondering if they were

1344
01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 1: going to say the name of the president because they

1345
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:36,720
Speaker 1: asked twice. We're like, who who is in charge of

1346
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:40,559
Speaker 1: the military the president of the United States? Like because

1347
01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:42,880
Speaker 1: no one was wanting to say George W. Bush at

1348
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:47,439
Speaker 1: this time or now? Really so yeah, it is. It

1349
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:51,920
Speaker 1: is a slice of propaganda that I find kind. I mean,

1350
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:56,960
Speaker 1: I guess I will say it is not the worst.

1351
01:26:57,240 --> 01:27:00,679
Speaker 1: It wasn't as bad as it could have been. But

1352
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:03,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, where I feel like the

1353
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:09,080
Speaker 1: setting of this works is in like this setting really

1354
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 1: works for the queer reading we were discussing where, you know,

1355
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:16,200
Speaker 1: as the symbolism of like someone trying to assert their

1356
01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 1: individuality and feel confident in themselves in a very oppressive

1357
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:25,599
Speaker 1: judge environment. I feel like it works really well for

1358
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 1: that setup. But in terms of just kind of the

1359
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:33,960
Speaker 1: flat read of pro military and like the commandant is

1360
01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:38,400
Speaker 1: probably a really nice guy and you know, like all

1361
01:27:38,439 --> 01:27:45,360
Speaker 1: this stuff, Um yeah it's military propaganda. Uh, that's like that.

1362
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:50,200
Speaker 1: I was like blown away with how much that ends

1363
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:52,840
Speaker 1: up being a part because again the movie, I feel

1364
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 1: like the movie is setting you up for Kelly being

1365
01:27:56,080 --> 01:28:00,120
Speaker 1: the one to come in and disrupt the rigidity and

1366
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:03,600
Speaker 1: just like fluence changed, or at least I thought, I

1367
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:07,479
Speaker 1: mean at least because I honestly forgot how this movie ended.

1368
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:09,760
Speaker 1: I forgot about the dad off the cliff, like just

1369
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:13,840
Speaker 1: all this not memorable plot points, but like the fact

1370
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:18,080
Speaker 1: that she truly affects zero changed at this school nothing

1371
01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:21,960
Speaker 1: and instead she she gets brainwashed. She's like this thing

1372
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:26,519
Speaker 1: that I thought was really ridiculous of throwing rifles around

1373
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:29,439
Speaker 1: is actually my new favorite hobby. And she even like

1374
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:31,920
Speaker 1: in the beginning of the movie, she she's Kelly is

1375
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:35,160
Speaker 1: a comedic genius. She makes a bunch of really funny jokes.

1376
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:38,000
Speaker 1: For example, I wrote down a couple of my favorites.

1377
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:41,400
Speaker 1: She's like up on a ledge during the course, and

1378
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:45,160
Speaker 1: she's like, she's like, I hate heights. I'm even hoping

1379
01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:49,479
Speaker 1: to not get too tall. Hilarious. Um, she says, my

1380
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 1: mom and Joe met at a wedding and they liked

1381
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:53,880
Speaker 1: it so much they decided to have one of their own.

1382
01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:58,640
Speaker 1: She's making she's cracking jokes constantly, and then over the

1383
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:00,880
Speaker 1: course of the movie, as she's getting again like more

1384
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:04,680
Speaker 1: indoctrinated into this military ideology, she like, I feel like

1385
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:09,080
Speaker 1: just like starts to lose her personality, her like vibrant, bubbly,

1386
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:12,960
Speaker 1: like jokey, creative self, and she like she adopts that

1387
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:16,160
Speaker 1: like military speech that they're expected to speak in where

1388
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:19,439
Speaker 1: she's like a permission to speak this cadet has an

1389
01:29:19,479 --> 01:29:22,720
Speaker 1: idea like all that she doesn't lose it entirely, but like,

1390
01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:24,759
Speaker 1: which is I would it would have been so scary

1391
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:27,240
Speaker 1: if we'd like just lost Hillary Duff in the process

1392
01:29:27,240 --> 01:29:29,559
Speaker 1: of it. But yeah, I mean it is kind of

1393
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 1: weird for a movie that seems to be at least

1394
01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:34,920
Speaker 1: attempting to challenge like, oh, the military doesn't you know,

1395
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:37,920
Speaker 1: like beat the personality out of you, But like there

1396
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:41,760
Speaker 1: is something there is a net loss in her and

1397
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:44,200
Speaker 1: I feel like that is framed as a good thing.

1398
01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:47,240
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like a good thing that I don't know.

1399
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:51,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it's Cadet Kelly, I don't know, it's you

1400
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:55,080
Speaker 1: take Cadet Kelly out of candet sicle, what's the movie?

1401
01:29:55,439 --> 01:29:59,800
Speaker 1: But but it is military propaganda, and we recognize that. Yes,

1402
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:05,160
Speaker 1: there's also a scene where she's in a classroom, and

1403
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:07,080
Speaker 1: we don't get many of these scenes when she's like

1404
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:10,519
Speaker 1: actually learning stuff that like a military school would teach you,

1405
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:15,320
Speaker 1: but there is The rear is good. Yes, Okay, the

1406
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:18,400
Speaker 1: language used here is really funny. But so the teacher

1407
01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:23,040
Speaker 1: is talking about the Korean War and he's describing this

1408
01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:27,960
Speaker 1: thing and it feels so hilariously defensive where he's like, um,

1409
01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:31,360
Speaker 1: we didn't retreat. That thing wasn't a retreat. It was

1410
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:34,880
Speaker 1: an advance to the rear. But it was actually super

1411
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:36,960
Speaker 1: awesome that we did that because it was like really

1412
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:39,840
Speaker 1: on purpose and not at all a failure. It was

1413
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:43,160
Speaker 1: actually a brilliant strategy. And it's like, this is what

1414
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:46,519
Speaker 1: you're teaching children, Like, are you kidding me? Well, I

1415
01:30:46,520 --> 01:30:50,080
Speaker 1: mean every American school teaches bullshit revisionist history, but this

1416
01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:53,040
Speaker 1: was funny. This was funny because it also wasn't very

1417
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:57,240
Speaker 1: well written. Uh it was like, actually it was we

1418
01:30:57,240 --> 01:31:01,680
Speaker 1: were It was also it was good and you're like

1419
01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:05,519
Speaker 1: all right, and then Kelly's like vo is like I

1420
01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:07,800
Speaker 1: didn't realize that there was so many lessons from the

1421
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:11,240
Speaker 1: military they were applicable to my own life. My favorite,

1422
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:14,240
Speaker 1: my favorite Hillary Duff voiceover is when she first gets

1423
01:31:14,240 --> 01:31:16,880
Speaker 1: there and then it's like it's almost like a Lizzie

1424
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:19,799
Speaker 1: McGuire cut away, but there's no cutaway. It's just uh

1425
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:24,439
Speaker 1: like static shot on on Hillary Duff and it says, Hello,

1426
01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:29,320
Speaker 1: where can I get a Cafe mocha? You're just like, okay,

1427
01:31:29,400 --> 01:31:32,719
Speaker 1: Hillary Duff, relaxed. I was so confused by that because

1428
01:31:32,840 --> 01:31:35,880
Speaker 1: I thought she was saying it out loud. It was

1429
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:38,840
Speaker 1: like diagetic dialogue. But it's but then it's like you

1430
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:40,720
Speaker 1: see her lips not moving, and I was like, oh,

1431
01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:42,880
Speaker 1: I guess this is voice over. It was it was

1432
01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:47,160
Speaker 1: that was that was right, and but it's weird. I

1433
01:31:47,200 --> 01:31:49,679
Speaker 1: feel like that was almost a weird reference to Lizzie

1434
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:52,519
Speaker 1: McGuire because there's cutaways in that show, but it cuts

1435
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:57,720
Speaker 1: away to a cartoon that is her inner monologue, but

1436
01:31:57,760 --> 01:31:59,840
Speaker 1: in this one it doesn't cut well, is that what

1437
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:02,120
Speaker 1: how happens? And I've never seen Lizzie McGuire, so I

1438
01:32:02,160 --> 01:32:04,800
Speaker 1: have I don't understand how it works. So the end,

1439
01:32:04,840 --> 01:32:07,040
Speaker 1: one of the writers and this also had written on

1440
01:32:07,080 --> 01:32:10,559
Speaker 1: Lizzie McGuire, I believe, Yeah. So so they like will

1441
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:13,040
Speaker 1: cut away to a cartoon Lizzie and she'll say like

1442
01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:16,599
Speaker 1: a cute comment, and it'll cut back to live action Lizzy,

1443
01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:18,720
Speaker 1: and this movie, I think, attempts to do that, but

1444
01:32:18,760 --> 01:32:20,880
Speaker 1: it's not an episode of Lizzie McGuire, so you're not

1445
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:23,360
Speaker 1: cutting away to a cartoon. So it's just often a

1446
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:26,360
Speaker 1: static shot at Hillary Duff's not speaking face, but you

1447
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:31,640
Speaker 1: hear her voice and you're just like, what is this? Uh?

1448
01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:36,080
Speaker 1: I have? Okay? So I wanted to shout out one

1449
01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:39,360
Speaker 1: of the writers of this movie. She has come up

1450
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:43,759
Speaker 1: on this show before. Kind of an iconic writer of

1451
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:49,479
Speaker 1: many generations. Gail parent Co wrote this movie. Um, we've

1452
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:51,960
Speaker 1: talked about her. I forget why we've talked about her before,

1453
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:55,200
Speaker 1: but she she has written a lot of really really

1454
01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:59,200
Speaker 1: famous UM shows targeted at women. Specifically, she read on

1455
01:32:59,240 --> 01:33:01,439
Speaker 1: the Carol Burnett Show, she wrote on the Mary Tyler

1456
01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:05,679
Speaker 1: Moore Show, she wrote on The Golden Girls, she wrote

1457
01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:09,880
Speaker 1: on Road, she wrote on and then she also wrote

1458
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:14,640
Speaker 1: this movie. She wrote Confessions of a Teenage Drama Queen. Uh.

1459
01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:21,600
Speaker 1: She's written a lot of like really iconic female centered stories,

1460
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:24,960
Speaker 1: so I was thrilled to see. I didn't know that

1461
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:28,120
Speaker 1: she had had a hand in Cadet Kelly, but you

1462
01:33:28,160 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 1: have to assume that she you know, a lot of

1463
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:35,040
Speaker 1: the very strong bonds between women which we've discussed at

1464
01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:39,000
Speaker 1: this point um can be attributed to her, and so

1465
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:41,360
Speaker 1: I wanted to shout her out. The other writer of

1466
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:43,519
Speaker 1: this movie, his name is Michael Walsh, and he seems

1467
01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:49,519
Speaker 1: to have been a journalist and then wrote this movie.

1468
01:33:50,120 --> 01:33:55,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, uh shrug, shrug. And then sorry, Larry

1469
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:58,520
Speaker 1: Shaw is the director, and so he had directed episodes

1470
01:33:59,200 --> 01:34:03,639
Speaker 1: of the McGuire I see, So that's kind of I mean,

1471
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:05,839
Speaker 1: I guess that's all you really need for a background.

1472
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:09,760
Speaker 1: Although you said earlier there was a female editor, there was.

1473
01:34:10,120 --> 01:34:12,519
Speaker 1: It seems like I'm going to just give the majority

1474
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:14,120
Speaker 1: of the credit for the writing of this movie to

1475
01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:16,880
Speaker 1: Gail Parents and then say Michael Walsh was brought in

1476
01:34:16,960 --> 01:34:21,160
Speaker 1: to write the Dad's I don't know, um, but I

1477
01:34:21,240 --> 01:34:24,000
Speaker 1: was happy to see that this movie was written by women.

1478
01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:25,600
Speaker 1: I think that that is something that you see in

1479
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:28,920
Speaker 1: d coms more frequently too, is that, um, you see

1480
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:33,840
Speaker 1: women writing stories for women and girls. Um again, because

1481
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:38,479
Speaker 1: d com is more of an experimental environment. And also, uh,

1482
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:42,400
Speaker 1: you don't need to pay the employees as much, so

1483
01:34:42,439 --> 01:34:48,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure that Disney is always thrilled to pay uh

1484
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:56,040
Speaker 1: non male identifying people way less. So there's that. But yeah, um, well,

1485
01:34:56,080 --> 01:34:59,520
Speaker 1: speaking of the dads, can we talk about the parents

1486
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:03,800
Speaker 1: in their storylines in general? Because there's some really messy,

1487
01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:07,439
Speaker 1: wacky stuff going on here. We already talked about We

1488
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:09,800
Speaker 1: talked about the two dads in love. We talked about

1489
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:12,320
Speaker 1: the two dads, and then we talked about the Gregnancy.

1490
01:35:12,439 --> 01:35:13,840
Speaker 1: So the mom I mean, and I want to be

1491
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:15,599
Speaker 1: careful in the way we've talked about it a little

1492
01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:18,000
Speaker 1: bit already. But it's like, like we were saying earlier,

1493
01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:21,160
Speaker 1: we don't want to like disrespect the choice to be

1494
01:35:21,320 --> 01:35:24,519
Speaker 1: a homemaker and to want to be uh stay at

1495
01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:27,920
Speaker 1: home parents, spouse whatever it is, like, definitely, it just

1496
01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:31,680
Speaker 1: the way it's framed in this movie is very abrupt

1497
01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:37,320
Speaker 1: and kind of confusing. And I don't know, like, as

1498
01:35:37,479 --> 01:35:41,599
Speaker 1: someone who was very hesitant and resistant to be a

1499
01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:46,840
Speaker 1: military spouse, this was what I was afraid of where

1500
01:35:47,640 --> 01:35:50,280
Speaker 1: and and and again like if you were a military

1501
01:35:50,280 --> 01:35:52,400
Speaker 1: spouse yourself, like we would love to hear from you

1502
01:35:52,479 --> 01:35:56,240
Speaker 1: and hear like is Cannet Kelly's mom at all reflective

1503
01:35:56,280 --> 01:35:59,760
Speaker 1: of your experience or was it just bad writing? But

1504
01:35:59,760 --> 01:36:04,200
Speaker 1: but there is certainly an expectation, or at least a

1505
01:36:04,240 --> 01:36:07,240
Speaker 1: trope that you have to drop everything in your life

1506
01:36:07,439 --> 01:36:12,519
Speaker 1: and commit yourself to your spouse's career, which is very

1507
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:15,000
Speaker 1: much what happens in this movie. We don't really have

1508
01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:16,800
Speaker 1: and I think my issue with it is we don't

1509
01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:20,800
Speaker 1: have any idea really how she feels about it or

1510
01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:25,240
Speaker 1: like what really was she doing before? And why did

1511
01:36:25,320 --> 01:36:30,040
Speaker 1: she choose to leave this life outside of just relationship?

1512
01:36:30,120 --> 01:36:32,280
Speaker 1: Like you have to imagine if she's being presented to

1513
01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:35,360
Speaker 1: us as this like cool single mom prior to this,

1514
01:36:36,160 --> 01:36:39,000
Speaker 1: like what is she leaving behind? What was her life

1515
01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:42,439
Speaker 1: before this? And like you just don't know and so

1516
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:45,320
Speaker 1: and and then you see her struggling to adjust to

1517
01:36:45,439 --> 01:36:49,599
Speaker 1: her new life. Demonstrated how to put on an apron

1518
01:36:51,240 --> 01:36:55,840
Speaker 1: like and and so it seems like she is struggling,

1519
01:36:56,320 --> 01:37:00,160
Speaker 1: but it's just kind of presented as like funny, and

1520
01:37:00,760 --> 01:37:04,200
Speaker 1: so I just I don't know, it just ended up

1521
01:37:04,240 --> 01:37:07,040
Speaker 1: kind of making me feel like confused and sad for

1522
01:37:07,080 --> 01:37:09,960
Speaker 1: her in a way that it was just like, you know,

1523
01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:13,320
Speaker 1: just as much as Kelly her life has been completely uprooted,

1524
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:15,680
Speaker 1: it seems like she doesn't even leave that house that

1525
01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:18,799
Speaker 1: they're living in, so she doesn't really have a support

1526
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:21,679
Speaker 1: system around her. Like it would have been nice to see,

1527
01:37:21,760 --> 01:37:25,120
Speaker 1: like maybe she becomes because like a very common thing

1528
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 1: is like a military wives or military spouses will hang

1529
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:32,479
Speaker 1: out together and like there's a support network there, and

1530
01:37:32,520 --> 01:37:34,519
Speaker 1: it would have been cool to like even see that

1531
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:38,400
Speaker 1: referenced in passing that she had found a community that

1532
01:37:38,439 --> 01:37:42,960
Speaker 1: she wasn't just like left alone with the stove all

1533
01:37:43,080 --> 01:37:47,080
Speaker 1: day trying to learn how to make turkey and that's

1534
01:37:47,080 --> 01:37:49,000
Speaker 1: her journey, and the movie is she gets pregnant and

1535
01:37:49,040 --> 01:37:51,679
Speaker 1: she learned how to cook turkey. Like I just don't

1536
01:37:51,720 --> 01:37:55,720
Speaker 1: love that, and I wish that since this movie does

1537
01:37:55,760 --> 01:38:01,520
Speaker 1: seem to have a mission to reflect the American military experience,

1538
01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:04,760
Speaker 1: which it doesn't obviously. I mean, I just I just

1539
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:07,960
Speaker 1: felt like she was really left, to quote Bradley Cooper

1540
01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:18,200
Speaker 1: by the wayside in this plot, and she no, especially

1541
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:24,000
Speaker 1: because like the relationship that Kelly has with both of

1542
01:38:24,040 --> 01:38:27,320
Speaker 1: her father figures end up being way more important to

1543
01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:30,880
Speaker 1: the story than the relationship with her mother, And I

1544
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:33,519
Speaker 1: don't understand why that is. I don't know why that

1545
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:38,880
Speaker 1: choice was made because with similar to Kelly, her mother

1546
01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:43,280
Speaker 1: is also having to adjust to this like military lifestyle.

1547
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:45,920
Speaker 1: So why couldn't they like why why couldn't we see

1548
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:51,040
Speaker 1: them bond over that further or like discuss this new

1549
01:38:51,080 --> 01:38:55,360
Speaker 1: lifestyle that they're having to adjust to, and and instead

1550
01:38:55,479 --> 01:38:59,120
Speaker 1: we get this like weird like dad fell off a

1551
01:38:59,160 --> 01:39:01,680
Speaker 1: cliff and I have to teach my stepdad how to

1552
01:39:01,800 --> 01:39:06,600
Speaker 1: be a father. And it's like, why is that your responsibility? Why?

1553
01:39:06,640 --> 01:39:09,799
Speaker 1: Like why did she marry this? Like why did Kelly's

1554
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:14,320
Speaker 1: mom marry a guy who like has no emotional intelligence whatsoever?

1555
01:39:14,640 --> 01:39:17,679
Speaker 1: Like well, and I gotta be honest, I don't really

1556
01:39:17,720 --> 01:39:19,719
Speaker 1: give a ship about I mean, I know he's important

1557
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:22,800
Speaker 1: to the plot theoretically because he has to eventually be

1558
01:39:22,840 --> 01:39:25,160
Speaker 1: flung off a cliff, but I don't care about the original,

1559
01:39:25,240 --> 01:39:27,040
Speaker 1: Like I don't the original that I don't care about

1560
01:39:27,160 --> 01:39:29,639
Speaker 1: Kelly's biological dad. And I also don't think he's as

1561
01:39:29,640 --> 01:39:33,000
Speaker 1: good a parent as the movie makes it a mission

1562
01:39:33,080 --> 01:39:35,040
Speaker 1: to me. I mean, and this is like inherent to

1563
01:39:35,160 --> 01:39:37,760
Speaker 1: not just decom but children's media in general, of like

1564
01:39:38,439 --> 01:39:42,080
Speaker 1: mom does the mean thing, dad does the fun thing.

1565
01:39:42,280 --> 01:39:46,439
Speaker 1: Because what like, like we discussed a million times, um,

1566
01:39:46,479 --> 01:39:50,559
Speaker 1: it's a societal expectation of female parents to do the

1567
01:39:50,600 --> 01:39:53,439
Speaker 1: majority of the parenting, and therefore they're kind of demonized

1568
01:39:53,479 --> 01:39:56,560
Speaker 1: because that means they're doing most of the discipline. Anyways,

1569
01:39:57,120 --> 01:40:00,120
Speaker 1: this movie is kind of no exception where Kelly his

1570
01:40:00,200 --> 01:40:03,280
Speaker 1: dad is like fun and goofy and they're both klutzy

1571
01:40:03,360 --> 01:40:05,679
Speaker 1: and they both trip a lot, and you're like yeah

1572
01:40:05,960 --> 01:40:10,040
Speaker 1: and uh, but already it's like he does not put

1573
01:40:10,120 --> 01:40:11,600
Speaker 1: up a fight for Kelly to not have to go

1574
01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:14,479
Speaker 1: to military school. He prioritizes his career above his daughter.

1575
01:40:14,560 --> 01:40:18,960
Speaker 1: He's busy going off to um Chad and Sudan and

1576
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:22,120
Speaker 1: mean Mar and Thailand, which he says in an accent

1577
01:40:22,240 --> 01:40:24,720
Speaker 1: as he's like describing the countries he's going to. He's

1578
01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:28,920
Speaker 1: like speaking in some nondescript accent and what it's just

1579
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:33,040
Speaker 1: like that whatever you're doing, so you're being racist. Yes

1580
01:40:33,520 --> 01:40:36,439
Speaker 1: he is. He's being raised as also it's very clear

1581
01:40:36,479 --> 01:40:39,240
Speaker 1: that the places he's going are just sound stages in

1582
01:40:39,320 --> 01:40:43,439
Speaker 1: Burbank in any case, like yeah, it's and so he

1583
01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:46,960
Speaker 1: like prioritizes his career above her. He does a racist

1584
01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:50,280
Speaker 1: accent in the first scene he appears in. He just

1585
01:40:50,360 --> 01:40:53,920
Speaker 1: kind of shows up when he feels like it, and

1586
01:40:53,960 --> 01:40:56,679
Speaker 1: then Kelly is so thrilled, and then it's presented as

1587
01:40:56,680 --> 01:41:00,560
Speaker 1: if like, oh, this is how like Ree Cole is

1588
01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:02,240
Speaker 1: going to learn how to be a father, and you're like,

1589
01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:05,360
Speaker 1: this is actually really not an example that you would

1590
01:41:05,439 --> 01:41:08,759
Speaker 1: necessarily want, Like he has a better personality than Gary Cole,

1591
01:41:09,080 --> 01:41:11,599
Speaker 1: but I feel like that is something that happens with

1592
01:41:11,640 --> 01:41:14,800
Speaker 1: like manipulative, neglectful parents all the time. Where I was

1593
01:41:14,840 --> 01:41:17,040
Speaker 1: actually kind of feeling for Gary Cole in that scene

1594
01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:21,040
Speaker 1: because he is emotionally stunted deeply, but at least he

1595
01:41:21,160 --> 01:41:24,160
Speaker 1: is present and he is you know, he can be

1596
01:41:24,240 --> 01:41:26,960
Speaker 1: counted upon in Kelly's life, whereas her dad is just

1597
01:41:27,040 --> 01:41:29,840
Speaker 1: like he's just not around, he's just off wherever. So

1598
01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:35,000
Speaker 1: I'm anti Kelly's fun dad. I am also like you said,

1599
01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:38,240
Speaker 1: like I am anti the dad's taking up all the

1600
01:41:38,280 --> 01:41:41,800
Speaker 1: parental real estate. I mean, fortunately, most of the movie

1601
01:41:41,920 --> 01:41:45,880
Speaker 1: is truly like Kelly, Jennifer, Carla all having crushes on

1602
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:49,000
Speaker 1: each other, all like falling in love. But but yeah,

1603
01:41:49,080 --> 01:41:53,360
Speaker 1: like when we zoom out, it usually is the dad.

1604
01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:57,519
Speaker 1: I guess I sort of appreciate Gary Cole's journey and

1605
01:41:57,640 --> 01:42:03,280
Speaker 1: this of like being able to appreciate his stepdaughter's individualism,

1606
01:42:03,320 --> 01:42:06,519
Speaker 1: but it just takes up too much space. I don't know,

1607
01:42:06,640 --> 01:42:10,439
Speaker 1: Like it's just ultimately I'm kind of like, what is

1608
01:42:10,479 --> 01:42:12,680
Speaker 1: your relationship? I would have loved to see his relationship

1609
01:42:12,720 --> 01:42:17,080
Speaker 1: with with his wife with Kelly's mom a little more, because,

1610
01:42:17,320 --> 01:42:20,639
Speaker 1: like you, I don't understand what brings them together, because

1611
01:42:20,640 --> 01:42:22,760
Speaker 1: we just don't really know enough about her to know

1612
01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:25,280
Speaker 1: what about him is appealing to her. We know a

1613
01:42:25,320 --> 01:42:29,839
Speaker 1: lot about him. Also, he should be constantly like thanking

1614
01:42:29,840 --> 01:42:32,080
Speaker 1: her and kissing her feet for being like, oh my god,

1615
01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:34,680
Speaker 1: thank you so much for this huge compromise that you

1616
01:42:34,760 --> 01:42:39,360
Speaker 1: and Kelly made by like uprooting your successful life in

1617
01:42:39,560 --> 01:42:43,280
Speaker 1: New York City to live with me while I'm a

1618
01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:48,400
Speaker 1: commandant at this school. Like again, the whole compromises that

1619
01:42:48,479 --> 01:42:53,680
Speaker 1: these women make the just for Gary Cole with a

1620
01:42:53,800 --> 01:43:01,280
Speaker 1: mustache and spawn. Um. Yeah, it's it's it's not ideal,

1621
01:43:01,479 --> 01:43:04,599
Speaker 1: and yeah there's like Kelly and her mother both need

1622
01:43:04,680 --> 01:43:06,280
Speaker 1: to I mean, we talked about this already, but they

1623
01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:11,080
Speaker 1: have to make too many compromises. Yes. The last thing

1624
01:43:11,120 --> 01:43:16,600
Speaker 1: I want to mention is the Titanic reference Hello in

1625
01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:21,280
Speaker 1: the song that happens both at the very beginning of

1626
01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:25,040
Speaker 1: the movie, during the dance routine that Kelly and Amanda

1627
01:43:25,080 --> 01:43:27,519
Speaker 1: are doing at the art school, and then again at

1628
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:32,759
Speaker 1: the end um during the weirdly edited um dance routine

1629
01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:37,040
Speaker 1: at the gun recital. I do think, not before before

1630
01:43:37,080 --> 01:43:39,519
Speaker 1: we come for the editor, I do think that the

1631
01:43:39,640 --> 01:43:46,920
Speaker 1: movie was pretty significantly re edited for Disney plus my recollection,

1632
01:43:47,200 --> 01:43:50,120
Speaker 1: and I think he a referenced this a little bit.

1633
01:43:50,280 --> 01:43:52,920
Speaker 1: Was that the music at the end was swapped out.

1634
01:43:53,000 --> 01:43:55,800
Speaker 1: I think it was originally a different song, which is

1635
01:43:55,840 --> 01:43:58,000
Speaker 1: why the editing kind of looks funky. I think it

1636
01:43:58,080 --> 01:44:00,720
Speaker 1: was like that editing was SYNCD up to a different song.

1637
01:44:01,080 --> 01:44:05,120
Speaker 1: Maybe Disney lost the rights to but sound off in

1638
01:44:05,120 --> 01:44:07,640
Speaker 1: the comments if you agree. I sort of remember, I

1639
01:44:07,680 --> 01:44:10,519
Speaker 1: don't remember that opening song being in it twice. I

1640
01:44:10,560 --> 01:44:12,000
Speaker 1: think that they just kind of piped it in at

1641
01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:13,840
Speaker 1: the end, because they still had the rights. They're just like,

1642
01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:16,559
Speaker 1: oh we yeah, we have this one. Um. But in

1643
01:44:16,600 --> 01:44:20,000
Speaker 1: any case, the lyrics, which I can't make sense of,

1644
01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:23,479
Speaker 1: are as follows. I wear a disguise. I'm just your

1645
01:44:23,520 --> 01:44:26,880
Speaker 1: average Jane. The super doesn't stand for model, but that

1646
01:44:26,920 --> 01:44:29,320
Speaker 1: doesn't mean I'm plain. If all you see is how

1647
01:44:29,360 --> 01:44:32,240
Speaker 1: I look, you miss the super chick within and I

1648
01:44:32,360 --> 01:44:40,280
Speaker 1: christen you Titanic, underestimate and swim. I don't know what

1649
01:44:40,320 --> 01:44:43,880
Speaker 1: that means, but I was like, there's a Titanic. If

1650
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:47,479
Speaker 1: you don't understand what an amazingly empowered woman I am,

1651
01:44:47,640 --> 01:44:52,920
Speaker 1: you're going to drown around the Titanic. I think that

1652
01:44:52,920 --> 01:44:55,160
Speaker 1: that's what it's saying. I don't agree with this message.

1653
01:44:55,160 --> 01:44:57,800
Speaker 1: I don't endorse that lyric, but I do love a

1654
01:44:57,800 --> 01:45:01,640
Speaker 1: good Titanic shout out yes, um. Well, anyway, as far

1655
01:45:01,680 --> 01:45:04,240
Speaker 1: as Kelly goes, I think that was all I had.

1656
01:45:04,280 --> 01:45:08,880
Speaker 1: Did you have anything else? No? No, I uh, we

1657
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:11,679
Speaker 1: should figure out if this movie passes the Bactel test.

1658
01:45:13,120 --> 01:45:18,559
Speaker 1: It does, it's super does. It's very often to female

1659
01:45:18,600 --> 01:45:23,920
Speaker 1: identifying characters with names talking about the military, talking about

1660
01:45:24,280 --> 01:45:32,719
Speaker 1: the famously genderless rightfuls and various things. Yes, this movie

1661
01:45:33,080 --> 01:45:36,080
Speaker 1: passes quite a bit, and it is also like I mean,

1662
01:45:36,120 --> 01:45:40,759
Speaker 1: it passes between Kelly and Carla, it passes between Kelly

1663
01:45:40,800 --> 01:45:46,559
Speaker 1: and Gloria, it passes between Kelly and Jennifer. Mom passes

1664
01:45:46,600 --> 01:45:50,400
Speaker 1: a bunch. But what would we rate it on our

1665
01:45:50,479 --> 01:45:55,000
Speaker 1: neckles scale? This is kind of challenging if you look

1666
01:45:55,080 --> 01:46:00,240
Speaker 1: at it from the standpoint of the movie focusing on

1667
01:46:00,680 --> 01:46:05,559
Speaker 1: the relationships between several female characters and how you have

1668
01:46:05,600 --> 01:46:08,920
Speaker 1: a lot of budding friendships or a lot of budding

1669
01:46:09,080 --> 01:46:12,320
Speaker 1: romances depending on how you look at it. The fact

1670
01:46:12,360 --> 01:46:15,519
Speaker 1: that it doesn't wedge in a romance with Brad. But

1671
01:46:15,680 --> 01:46:17,960
Speaker 1: you know, these are reasons to like this movie. It

1672
01:46:17,960 --> 01:46:20,719
Speaker 1: would be nice to have a I don't know exactly

1673
01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:24,760
Speaker 1: what the intentions of the writers were, but either way

1674
01:46:24,840 --> 01:46:26,760
Speaker 1: it would have been it would be nice to have

1675
01:46:27,560 --> 01:46:33,559
Speaker 1: a similar movie where different characters actually identify themselves as queer,

1676
01:46:33,600 --> 01:46:36,160
Speaker 1: and then we could have seen actual queer visibility on

1677
01:46:36,320 --> 01:46:39,920
Speaker 1: screen in a movie intended for young people, like think

1678
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:42,760
Speaker 1: how cool it would be if you know this was

1679
01:46:42,800 --> 01:46:45,599
Speaker 1: a story about a bunch of queer kids in military school,

1680
01:46:45,920 --> 01:46:49,000
Speaker 1: you know, a place where queerness I have to imagine

1681
01:46:49,240 --> 01:46:51,760
Speaker 1: is not tolerated. But you know, like if a bunch

1682
01:46:51,800 --> 01:46:54,560
Speaker 1: of queer kids find each other and band together and

1683
01:46:54,600 --> 01:46:58,280
Speaker 1: support each other and maybe kiss. Sometimes I feel like

1684
01:46:58,320 --> 01:47:01,960
Speaker 1: there's a subplot to that effect in UM that show

1685
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:05,400
Speaker 1: sex Education. Anyway, I need to finish watching it. But

1686
01:47:05,640 --> 01:47:07,960
Speaker 1: the point is, this is a dcon This is a

1687
01:47:07,960 --> 01:47:11,280
Speaker 1: Disney movie, and you know, Disney was never going to

1688
01:47:11,360 --> 01:47:15,200
Speaker 1: do that in two thousand two or in present day.

1689
01:47:15,280 --> 01:47:18,600
Speaker 1: So even you know, years after this, we've referenced that

1690
01:47:18,680 --> 01:47:23,200
Speaker 1: Kenny Ortega interview where Kenny Ortega, a queer director, was

1691
01:47:23,240 --> 01:47:26,799
Speaker 1: not allowed to have a queer character in high school musical.

1692
01:47:27,080 --> 01:47:30,800
Speaker 1: So it's like this, you know, is certainly not a

1693
01:47:30,800 --> 01:47:33,400
Speaker 1: new trend, but it is I feel like, yeah, certainly

1694
01:47:33,400 --> 01:47:37,360
Speaker 1: the closest like I mean, according to the third closest

1695
01:47:37,400 --> 01:47:45,559
Speaker 1: we have, um queer d com Yes. Um. So that

1696
01:47:45,680 --> 01:47:49,480
Speaker 1: aspect of the movie is what I really latched onto.

1697
01:47:49,960 --> 01:47:53,080
Speaker 1: The other very important part of the movie, which is

1698
01:47:53,160 --> 01:47:59,880
Speaker 1: the very pro military propaganda message that it is perpetuating,

1699
01:48:00,200 --> 01:48:06,920
Speaker 1: is not something I appreciate, Like, you know, I mean,

1700
01:48:07,040 --> 01:48:09,840
Speaker 1: like again, if you want to join the military, that's

1701
01:48:09,880 --> 01:48:12,280
Speaker 1: your choice, but I would like in a lot of

1702
01:48:12,320 --> 01:48:16,960
Speaker 1: like military ideology to police ideology. It's a lot of

1703
01:48:17,000 --> 01:48:23,519
Speaker 1: the same horribly racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, all the horrible things.

1704
01:48:23,880 --> 01:48:26,640
Speaker 1: It's it's basically one and the same to me, So

1705
01:48:26,760 --> 01:48:30,960
Speaker 1: I am going to take a very brave anti familiaritary

1706
01:48:31,080 --> 01:48:40,559
Speaker 1: industrial complex attacked in the comments. Um So, the fact

1707
01:48:40,600 --> 01:48:44,280
Speaker 1: that this movie is like again the story being that

1708
01:48:44,360 --> 01:48:49,799
Speaker 1: like the more Kelly is in military school, the less

1709
01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:56,080
Speaker 1: her individuality and personality remains intact, is um scary and upsetting.

1710
01:48:56,520 --> 01:48:58,719
Speaker 1: But like the movie framing that is like, it's actually

1711
01:48:58,760 --> 01:49:00,920
Speaker 1: awesome that she finally has structure, and it's like it's

1712
01:49:00,960 --> 01:49:02,760
Speaker 1: not as though she was a bad kid before. She

1713
01:49:02,840 --> 01:49:06,919
Speaker 1: wasn't misbehaving, she was on the structure. And the words structure,

1714
01:49:06,960 --> 01:49:08,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like that's just kind of like

1715
01:49:08,920 --> 01:49:13,080
Speaker 1: a little military dog whistle for like having the personality

1716
01:49:13,120 --> 01:49:15,920
Speaker 1: beat out of you. There's a difference between structure and

1717
01:49:16,760 --> 01:49:20,120
Speaker 1: military structure. Yes, yes, yes, yes, so all of that,

1718
01:49:20,200 --> 01:49:22,719
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I don't know. With all of that in mind,

1719
01:49:24,800 --> 01:49:27,080
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to have to give it like

1720
01:49:28,160 --> 01:49:33,960
Speaker 1: two wow, okay, or maybe less. Why what were you

1721
01:49:33,960 --> 01:49:35,840
Speaker 1: going to give it? And then I'll copy you. I'm

1722
01:49:35,920 --> 01:49:39,439
Speaker 1: kidding I'm not going to tell you you pick yours,

1723
01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:44,519
Speaker 1: all right, I'll give it to Well. There's also I mean,

1724
01:49:44,920 --> 01:49:47,320
Speaker 1: between like Carla and Gloria, you do have a few

1725
01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:49,639
Speaker 1: women of color in the movie, but they are also

1726
01:49:51,000 --> 01:49:54,120
Speaker 1: they are not given nearly as much narrative significance or

1727
01:49:54,160 --> 01:50:01,719
Speaker 1: focus as the two white women leads of Kelly and Jennifer. Um,

1728
01:50:01,760 --> 01:50:04,880
Speaker 1: so we don't love that. Um, I'm gonna go down

1729
01:50:04,920 --> 01:50:08,519
Speaker 1: to one and a half. I enjoy this movie. I don't.

1730
01:50:08,560 --> 01:50:10,479
Speaker 1: It's not that I hate this movie. I actually like

1731
01:50:10,680 --> 01:50:13,080
Speaker 1: had a fun time watching it. But there's a lot

1732
01:50:13,120 --> 01:50:17,639
Speaker 1: of like very early two thousand's Disney, like Disney has

1733
01:50:17,680 --> 01:50:21,559
Speaker 1: its stink all over it. I don't know. It's one

1734
01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:25,480
Speaker 1: and a half. And I'll give both of those nipples

1735
01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:30,719
Speaker 1: to the dance off that happens in the quad. Uh.

1736
01:50:31,080 --> 01:50:33,599
Speaker 1: This is I think our most significant deviation in a while.

1737
01:50:33,680 --> 01:50:38,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with three um because I absolutely I

1738
01:50:38,960 --> 01:50:43,040
Speaker 1: need to dock it for being early two thousands girl power, feminism,

1739
01:50:43,080 --> 01:50:47,560
Speaker 1: military propaganda, which, while I completely disagree with it, I

1740
01:50:48,320 --> 01:50:51,000
Speaker 1: mean you've gotta give it points for being that specific

1741
01:50:51,680 --> 01:50:55,880
Speaker 1: of the the boxes they're trying to check in the

1742
01:50:56,240 --> 01:50:59,360
Speaker 1: way that this movie is being written. Um, I do think,

1743
01:50:59,520 --> 01:51:03,679
Speaker 1: like I I obviously I am not pro military industrial complex.

1744
01:51:03,760 --> 01:51:07,840
Speaker 1: I I do think that it is of muddled, not

1745
01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:12,000
Speaker 1: good attempt to try to represent military families on screen,

1746
01:51:12,760 --> 01:51:15,840
Speaker 1: because while I am not pro military, I do think,

1747
01:51:15,920 --> 01:51:18,799
Speaker 1: you know, it's like kids who are in military families

1748
01:51:18,880 --> 01:51:22,400
Speaker 1: also deserves some representation on screen. What I don't like

1749
01:51:22,640 --> 01:51:26,360
Speaker 1: is that the way that it's represented is so uncritical

1750
01:51:26,479 --> 01:51:29,880
Speaker 1: of the military and so pro like, well, whatever your

1751
01:51:30,200 --> 01:51:33,760
Speaker 1: soldier parent does is the right thing, and you you

1752
01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:37,200
Speaker 1: must follow. And it's just deeply uncritical. So it's like

1753
01:51:37,520 --> 01:51:41,360
Speaker 1: representation you don't usually see, but it's so unchallenging that

1754
01:51:41,520 --> 01:51:44,280
Speaker 1: I feel like it ends up kind of being moot. Yeah,

1755
01:51:44,479 --> 01:51:47,000
Speaker 1: I I would love to see, uh, you know, a

1756
01:51:47,080 --> 01:51:49,960
Speaker 1: d coom about a military family's head maybe begins to

1757
01:51:50,000 --> 01:51:52,160
Speaker 1: disagree with the military, maybe it has starts to have,

1758
01:51:52,479 --> 01:51:55,160
Speaker 1: you know, question it. Because for all the reasons we've

1759
01:51:55,200 --> 01:52:00,360
Speaker 1: discussed of how deeply prejudiced and um violent the military

1760
01:52:00,360 --> 01:52:03,759
Speaker 1: be towards people who do not conform to their ideal,

1761
01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:07,479
Speaker 1: which is uh sis white men says hat white men

1762
01:52:07,720 --> 01:52:10,879
Speaker 1: super soldier type, then you're you're going to be punished,

1763
01:52:10,880 --> 01:52:14,479
Speaker 1: and this movie frames that punishment as a character building

1764
01:52:14,520 --> 01:52:18,400
Speaker 1: thing and not a an abused tactic meant to beat

1765
01:52:18,400 --> 01:52:21,400
Speaker 1: the personality out of you. So I do not like that, however,

1766
01:52:22,080 --> 01:52:24,920
Speaker 1: Uh but I do like, is I really really really

1767
01:52:24,960 --> 01:52:29,480
Speaker 1: like Kelly um and she really spoke to me as

1768
01:52:29,520 --> 01:52:34,160
Speaker 1: a kid just as her personality and well, I do

1769
01:52:34,200 --> 01:52:37,920
Speaker 1: agree that her personality is diminished by having gone to

1770
01:52:37,960 --> 01:52:40,599
Speaker 1: a military school. This movie didn't make me want to

1771
01:52:40,640 --> 01:52:43,519
Speaker 1: go to a military school. It made me want to

1772
01:52:43,600 --> 01:52:46,639
Speaker 1: be Kelly and maybe kiss a girl like those were

1773
01:52:46,640 --> 01:52:49,719
Speaker 1: the things that I took away from this movie as

1774
01:52:49,840 --> 01:52:52,280
Speaker 1: a kid, and so those I mean, I might be

1775
01:52:52,360 --> 01:52:55,280
Speaker 1: ranking it too high for nostalgia points, but I do

1776
01:52:55,360 --> 01:52:59,960
Speaker 1: think that, um, this is like as close to queer

1777
01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:02,519
Speaker 1: representation in a deacon that you could get, And in

1778
01:53:02,560 --> 01:53:05,280
Speaker 1: two thousand and two, that was just not something that

1779
01:53:05,320 --> 01:53:10,439
Speaker 1: you were really getting anywhere else in children's media. So

1780
01:53:10,520 --> 01:53:16,280
Speaker 1: even this like coded attempt to to show something. I mean,

1781
01:53:16,400 --> 01:53:19,120
Speaker 1: clearly it spoke to a lot of young people because

1782
01:53:19,120 --> 01:53:22,679
Speaker 1: we're still talking about it, and you know, Kia still

1783
01:53:22,720 --> 01:53:26,439
Speaker 1: has a lot of love for it, and I I mean,

1784
01:53:27,080 --> 01:53:29,960
Speaker 1: I like that there are a number of you know,

1785
01:53:30,120 --> 01:53:33,880
Speaker 1: like could be richer, but fairly rich relationships between the

1786
01:53:33,880 --> 01:53:36,439
Speaker 1: girls that attend the school. I do have an issue

1787
01:53:36,600 --> 01:53:39,400
Speaker 1: with I think that it is kind of a classic

1788
01:53:39,600 --> 01:53:43,639
Speaker 1: slight to a black character to not make their home

1789
01:53:43,720 --> 01:53:48,439
Speaker 1: life or their background really plot relevant or specific enough,

1790
01:53:49,439 --> 01:53:52,040
Speaker 1: and so I will dock it for that. Maybe I'm

1791
01:53:52,040 --> 01:53:54,120
Speaker 1: giving it a two point seven five, But either way,

1792
01:53:54,160 --> 01:53:57,200
Speaker 1: I think that Cadet Kelly does so much that a

1793
01:53:57,200 --> 01:53:59,880
Speaker 1: lot of children's media wasn't even attempting to do. And

1794
01:54:00,120 --> 01:54:04,440
Speaker 1: so even though it flops in some regards, I appreciate

1795
01:54:05,240 --> 01:54:07,920
Speaker 1: the queer reading of this movie, which is, like we

1796
01:54:07,920 --> 01:54:12,719
Speaker 1: were saying, it feels basically like text on a rewatch um.

1797
01:54:12,760 --> 01:54:16,840
Speaker 1: I love Kelly, I feel to have for her mom,

1798
01:54:17,040 --> 01:54:20,400
Speaker 1: and the military industrial complex is scary, and I like

1799
01:54:20,560 --> 01:54:22,800
Speaker 1: to think that they both end up getting out of

1800
01:54:22,840 --> 01:54:27,679
Speaker 1: the military and starting a small gardening business together. So

1801
01:54:28,200 --> 01:54:31,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it two point seven five, and I'll

1802
01:54:31,320 --> 01:54:37,800
Speaker 1: give one nipple to Carla and one nipple to Gloria,

1803
01:54:37,840 --> 01:54:43,920
Speaker 1: and my other point seven five nipple to the Greg,

1804
01:54:43,640 --> 01:54:49,280
Speaker 1: the baby Greg who was born later, baby Greg who

1805
01:54:49,320 --> 01:54:55,000
Speaker 1: may who will probably be loved by I mean, baby

1806
01:54:55,000 --> 01:54:58,160
Speaker 1: Greg's parents just when she's like, I'm sure I'll love

1807
01:54:58,200 --> 01:55:00,960
Speaker 1: this baby too. I don't know, I know. I was

1808
01:55:01,000 --> 01:55:04,480
Speaker 1: just like, she needs to get some time off, like

1809
01:55:04,560 --> 01:55:09,560
Speaker 1: this is not okay. Um so yeah, so that's good, Kelly. Sorry,

1810
01:55:09,600 --> 01:55:16,240
Speaker 1: there's literally a military plane flying over my house. Well, so,

1811
01:55:16,840 --> 01:55:20,280
Speaker 1: thank you again so much to our special guest, Kia Brown.

1812
01:55:20,400 --> 01:55:23,240
Speaker 1: Make sure to check out her book, make sure to

1813
01:55:23,320 --> 01:55:26,720
Speaker 1: follow her on social media. She's awesome, and she'll be

1814
01:55:26,760 --> 01:55:30,760
Speaker 1: back for a main episode at some point, so tune

1815
01:55:30,800 --> 01:55:35,000
Speaker 1: in for that. And um yeah, thanks for listening, matrons,

1816
01:55:35,080 --> 01:55:37,960
Speaker 1: thanks for your support. Hey,