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Speaker 2: If you take Jaylen Brown off the Celtics right now,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Jaylen Brown. I'm gonna put Kate in there.

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Speaker 2: No, They've incorporated themselves around him.

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Speaker 4: I think they should ask this rule.

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Speaker 2: It's like the marathon. You stopped for the for the

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Speaker 1: Eastern Conference rivals the New York Knicks and the Cleveland Cavaliers,

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Speaker 1: who whooped the Knicks one on nine ninety four Tuesday

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Speaker 1: Night and are now six and one in the James

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Speaker 1: Harden era and have won thirteen of their last fifteen games.

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Speaker 1: Harden is averaging eighteen points five rebounds of eight as

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Speaker 3: They did now. But this is what James does, bro.

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Speaker 3: He opens up the floor for the bigs everybody else.

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Speaker 1: That's that's been the coolest thing to watch so far.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so Cage struggled and that's where people said, can

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: They won't see the Spurs until the finals if they

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Speaker 3: I think, you know, it was a pretty like sound

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Speaker 3: it's showing people they're they're for real this year, you

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Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like they can be contenders, like

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Speaker 4: Contenders.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you put it, but I'm want

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Speaker 1: to ask you, Paul, when you watch this game, like,

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Speaker 2: I can't measure them against San Antonio right now. I

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Speaker 2: the thing you have to do. Detroit is a physical

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Speaker 2: that's their identity. They're physical. They're gonna push you, they're

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Speaker 4: So my got Verno. I saw this on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: He said that k did then when Kobe and that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Kate did that to Weinby even the first play

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Speaker 2: It was it was clear that Winby had to adjust

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Speaker 2: going out of my offense, always saying it was nice

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Speaker 2: when I played where it was just like you know what, guys,

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Speaker 2: offense against elite guards. I'm san Antonio, and that can

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Speaker 4: Outside of the files.

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Speaker 1: Because he didn't end up with five fouls, I thought

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because he can take a lot out of you though,

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Speaker 2: that's why he shot poorly. So it'd be nice for

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Speaker 2: efforts at guard lebron y'all. I might not have enough

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Speaker 2: They can't afford that.

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Speaker 4: They don't have that luxury. They don't have that luxury, right,

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Speaker 4: they don't have any lemons on defense, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So there's a couple of plays where Wemby is just

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Speaker 4: Roll like he's got the big but it's like the

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Speaker 4: Should like? It's kind of crazy how he's able to

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Speaker 1: Guy that's guarding the ball handler isn't getting planted on

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Speaker 1: So he's still bothering Kade. And then of course there's

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Speaker 4: Where they just made it uncomfortable for Shay to get

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Speaker 1: And the crazy shit to me is that, okay, see

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Speaker 2: Nah.

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Speaker 3: For sure, I think I'm more high on the Spurs

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Speaker 3: who's said m VP candidate to me, he has so

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Speaker 3: they're showing some some real maturity, you know, nine game

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Speaker 3: win streak, like at this point the season, like they're

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Speaker 3: I you to go on the road and do this

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Speaker 3: smart tactic, give out to Mitch. Mitch's knows what he's doing. Attacking.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you always got attack the Stars, even if

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Speaker 3: to wear him down. You know, if this was a

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Speaker 3: like we've seen it happen with Anthony Edwards against Dallas

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Speaker 3: But again, Spurs got multiple bodies that can guard man

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Speaker 3: to sell Castle, Fox got Kelvin Johnson, you know, Champagny

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Speaker 4: Castle was pretty damn good in this game. Bro on

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Speaker 4: the Wall He was really good. He made a lot

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Speaker 4: of good decisions.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: Wenby man was cool about watching the Swerz on offenses,

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Speaker 4: Shots, but he was down in attack mode.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Paul, we were talking about it before the game,

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Speaker 1: Man and the sar Thompson. I thought he kind of

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Speaker 1: guys like Duncan Robinson and guys. We think it spruce

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Speaker 2: He can just roll.

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Speaker 4: And that was five on four.

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Speaker 1: You're playing against a Wemby defense five on four, like

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Speaker 3: It reminded me of when I was in Philly and

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Speaker 3: He wasn't he wasn't confident. He don't real they're not reacting,

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Speaker 3: so it's like they can the big can guard him

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Speaker 3: some things to work on here. You have to find

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Speaker 3: Was when they do play the next you better believe

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Speaker 3: Mitchell Robinson is gonna be a guy. That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Like we're gonna put cat on him where he can

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Speaker 3: you play sarch because he can shoot? Do you play?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Let me tell you what he has

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Speaker 2: now because he could be effective with his game being

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Speaker 2: needs to be a better screener. Like if your man

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Speaker 2: is gonna be helping, I need to be saying guy, yeah,

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Speaker 2: then slashing after that, like because like when you're like

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Speaker 2: He learned how to screen cut, get into the spots,

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Speaker 2: getting to the right spots, and that's what he has

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Speaker 3: I know Ben Simmons is not what we expected him

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Speaker 3: we would tell Like he would tell Ben like, Yo,

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Speaker 3: if they're not going to play you, sometimes you attack,

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Speaker 3: So gotta be a great screen when.

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Speaker 1: Coach Ben in as sars stars willing attack, the women

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Speaker 2: Whereas bend there was a time.

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Speaker 1: But what I would say about Detroit to your point,

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Speaker 1: Paul and Danny, when you're like, what should they do

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Speaker 4: You gotta play to your strengths.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you sub out a sar for even

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Speaker 4: A herder who like Goose is your shooting. To me,

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Speaker 1: You gotta work even harder to get your stuff in transition,

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Speaker 4: You gotta make sure you're.

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Speaker 1: You're hitting the offensive glass and getting second chance opportunities

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Speaker 4: You know what I depend on, the match's going to

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Speaker 2: When defensive nuanced noosence, I mean like we should be

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Speaker 4: Because like I said, we've gone through enough playoffs.

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Speaker 1: I've seen the Toby Harris kick it out to him

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Speaker 4: I don't think that's where you want to be in

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Speaker 1: The playoffs, just keeping in a thousand, especially at this

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Speaker 1: as some ultimate juggernaut that just could not be beat

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Speaker 1: in the East.

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Speaker 4: I just think.

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Speaker 1: The Spurs are probably the league's best defense man, you know,

445
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Speaker 1: and he showed it. So yeah, I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: something to get depressed about that you didn't look your

447
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Speaker 1: best on one night against the best defense in the NBA,

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Speaker 1: you know. But speaking just to keep it with Detroit,

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Speaker 1: they have a big game at home against OKAC on

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Speaker 1: Wednesday night. We believe Shae is still out with the

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Speaker 1: abdominal strain Chris, so they're gonna be playing.

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Speaker 4: The Oka c tryhards in the meantime.

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Speaker 2: But they play well.

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Speaker 4: But they relished the.

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Speaker 3: Opportunity to plug and play.

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Speaker 2: You win it, dog, let me tell you. Once you

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Speaker 2: win it and you your stars go down. These guys

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Speaker 2: have a great understanding of how to win.

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Speaker 4: Yes, they do.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. They like Shay out, no problem,

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Speaker 2: Jay will out, no problem, Chant miss some games, plug

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Speaker 2: and play.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is for number one in the league

464
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Speaker 3: right this game. They both similar record.

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Speaker 4: They're similarly they're tied in the lost column for best record.

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Speaker 1: In the league, which is so crazy when okayc started

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Speaker 1: twenty four and one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but the hell it was.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, they have three more wins, but they

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Speaker 3: Detroit beat them because they were half a game with

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Speaker 3: the lost column until they just lost recently. Yeah, so

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Speaker 3: that's I think that's why they think they're tied. Possibly

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Speaker 3: this this, this can break the tie breaker, I believe,

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Speaker 3: or give whatever whichever team in the matchup.

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Speaker 1: Tennissist against the Spurs, even though you have five for

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Speaker 1: twenty six, Yeah, it's worth shooting night of the season,

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Speaker 1: but still managed to get out tennisis.

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Speaker 4: Do you think you can get to tennis sis?

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Speaker 3: And then I think so, especially with some of the guys.

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Speaker 3: He's leading the league in assists per game. I think

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Speaker 3: if I'm not mistaken, and he's he's the second, he's

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Speaker 3: top in the league in assists per game.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he gets tennisis against this scrappy ok

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Speaker 2: defense because it's tough to get in the lane, and

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Speaker 2: when you're getting that lane, they got good hands. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's gonna have to He's to score more. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: have to say less and half assists, not.

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Speaker 4: The less I'm gonna go.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna still go more. I think that that the

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Speaker 1: ball is gonna be in his hands. Ok C is

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Speaker 1: gonna force They're gonna force him the past.

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Speaker 3: Yeah you know what I mean, Like it's just a

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Speaker 3: matter behind or something like that.

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Speaker 4: It's just a matter of you know, those guys making

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Speaker 4: the shots.

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Speaker 1: Okayse is gonna be like brother, Yeah, you ain't gonna

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Speaker 1: ben It's gonna be on a sord Thompson and Toby

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Speaker 1: Harris and not letting you do this to us. So

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go more on whether he goes more than

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Speaker 1: more or less than nine and a half as sist.

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Speaker 4: What about scoring? You think you'll be able to get

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Speaker 4: some buckets?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's gonna be bounce back night. You

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Speaker 2: think I think it's gonna be a bounce back nights

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Speaker 2: where he's gonna be able to score, get to the

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Speaker 2: foul line. So I think he'll I think he'll go

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Speaker 2: more five and a half. I think he'll.

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Speaker 4: No j Dove.

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Speaker 3: SG Yeah he going more?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, give me more as well? What about Jalen during

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Speaker 4: more more than fourteen and a half points?

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Speaker 2: More? Listen? I like what he did? Yeah, yeah, the

513
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Speaker 2: way his game translates to any team in the league.

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Speaker 4: It was like the first to second play of the game,

515
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Speaker 4: he just ran into Wemby's check.

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Speaker 1: Was like your weakness and I'm coming out like these

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Speaker 4: He's underneath, so you think more than he give me

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Speaker 4: more as well. What about rebounds for or.

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Speaker 2: You gotta get a nickname for him? Jayleen j Yeah,

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Speaker 2: jayleens because he's just like a grinder grave. He needs

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Speaker 2: of player is not in the league no more.

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Speaker 2: The guys who just play in the Fame, the Bruisers

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Speaker 1: The NBA sixty five game minimum for postseason awards has

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Speaker 1: completely reshaped this year's MVP race.

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Speaker 4: Yo could just one miss game away from being ruled out.

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Speaker 2: That's crazy.

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Speaker 4: Sga has six to go, Luca has five, Wemby has four.

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Speaker 1: Kate Cunningham and Jalen Brown are the candidates with the

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Speaker 1: most cushion, having missed six and five games, respectively. So

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Speaker 1: the question isn't just who's been the best player in

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Speaker 1: the season anymore, it's who can survive the rule. If

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Speaker 1: multiple superstars fall short of sixty five games, does the

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Speaker 1: award lose some of its meaning?

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Speaker 2: Wow, that is a great question. I mean, dude, listen,

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Speaker 2: you gotta put the work in though, man that I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's not gonna lose his many.

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Speaker 1: And saying that because it's Jalen Brown, It's like, be available,

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Speaker 1: Like the MVP has good available.

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Speaker 2: Come on, man, like I can't see you playing, Say

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Speaker 2: you played fifty five games with you the best player.

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Speaker 2: You have these great, gaudy numbers and still get the MVP.

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Speaker 2: You gotta reward the guys that's not in Night Out

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Speaker 2: through back to backs, playing through the stuff told Bruce me, Bruce.

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Speaker 1: Still find God plays seventy two. I think you should

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Speaker 1: have to be way better than that guy.

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Speaker 3: The only easy to be way better with numbers because

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Speaker 3: you're playing let's get you know what I'm saying the

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Speaker 3: numbers wise, No.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying even with the you got better, like's gotta

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Speaker 1: be way.

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Speaker 2: The only person who's way better is Jokings.

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Speaker 1: His numbers are just the only one that you could

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Speaker 1: say that, like, the compilation of his numbers is kind

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Speaker 1: of crazy better.

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Speaker 4: But I don't think is gonna end up at fifty

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Speaker 4: five though.

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Speaker 3: There's gotta be some type of I feel you got

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Speaker 3: to give like a game or two of grace period.

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Speaker 3: I'm saying, like you can't just be like, oh you

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Speaker 3: one game. You got to give at least two game

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Speaker 3: grapes period.

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Speaker 2: What if you play sixty four games? Bro?

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Speaker 3: What I'm saying like, you gotta have what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: I think Adam was in search of solutions to a problem.

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Speaker 4: Where like guys.

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Speaker 1: Aren't missing games because they be being namby paying bees.

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Speaker 1: God's missing games because of legitimate injuries, man like and

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Speaker 1: you know, muscle situation, muscle soreness and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know, I think they should act this rule.

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Speaker 1: And most of the times MVP voters, you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm be the first person to get at my fellow

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Speaker 1: media guys when they're being bullshit artists and all of that,

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Speaker 1: you know, caping for tanking and stupid shit like that.

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Speaker 4: But like when it comes to MVP votes, like all

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Speaker 4: the dudes that.

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Speaker 1: I know, Like these dudes put a lot of work

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Speaker 1: and like actually take it super seriously and they were

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Speaker 1: already considering games played. Yeah, this idea that we needed

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Speaker 1: this rule to be like, yo, you don't play sixty

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Speaker 1: five Paul, you can't get MVP.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't think we needed to do all of that.

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Speaker 3: No, it wasn't necessary. I mean I feel like it's

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Speaker 3: necessary for certain other things more like all NBA team

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Speaker 3: and like defensive teams more so than these bigger awards.

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Speaker 1: MVP today, Like today, well everybody's still eligible, so it's

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Speaker 1: probably you'll get your SGA yeah, but I'm.

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Speaker 2: Just saying, like, like if you the last two weeks,

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Speaker 2: somebody takes the lead, it's like the marathon, you stop

656
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Speaker 2: for the for the for the day, keep running. He

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Speaker 2: took the lead with you.

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Speaker 3: So my thing is it doesn't water. You can catch

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Speaker 3: up because even the guys that's behind them are still

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Speaker 3: very good candidate.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's watered down yet, Like K very.

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Speaker 3: Much deserving, Like even if you did, you know, the

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Speaker 3: top five guys in voting, Like, even those guys are

664
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Speaker 3: very much deserving. If it's the fifth guy that gets it,

665
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 3: you like worthy, K kind of him very worthy.

666
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 4: Well, but I don't know. This is again to me

667
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 4: one of those things.

668
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 2: Also, how valuable are you to your team? Too? Because

669
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: like as great as Joker has been with the numbers,

670
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: his team played well without him. As greate as s

671
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 2: g A has been, his team's played well without them.

672
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 2: If you take Jaylen Brown off the Celtics right now,

673
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 2: you think they don't be a five hundred team, You

674
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Guys like him, guys like Bronson,

675
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 2: you take Brunting off that team, yeah, they're gonna fall

676
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 2: on their face.

677
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 4: K off Like top twenty eight in the league.

678
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: So like, realistically, even if all those guys were healthy,

679
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 2: still the number one or two guys to me, it

680
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 2: is Kate and Brown.

681
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 4: That's interesting. So you're to you Kate and Jalen Brown

682
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 4: narratively and just.

683
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 2: Looking at your impact on winning like with or without you.

684
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 2: If your team is still really good without you, you

685
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, that says something for sure.

686
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 3: But last year they this is only this is like

687
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 3: the first year they've been good with it, like.

688
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 2: They've been good all the time without looking up really bad.

689
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 2: It was really bad last year. Let me think, let

690
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 2: me go back and somebody really bad, not great with

691
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 2: usually terrible.

692
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 3: He's on the floor, he's on the floor.

693
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 4: They just go that they've been respectable. Yeah, And to

694
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 4: say they're good without him, I think it's better.

695
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 2: It's good.

696
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, they say that a great stretch. Yeah, when he

697
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 3: was out they picked up some more.

698
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 2: I think that shop whole Wait, like in my early

699
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 2: days in the league when Steve Nash won his two MVPs.

700
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 2: But when he's when he was out, yeah, he was terrible.

701
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 2: I think he was eight games and like one in

702
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 2: it was like crazy, it was crazy. Yeah, and I

703
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 2: see that's why he won.

704
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: So you're fun, You're fine with this staying at a

705
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: sixty five game rule and all of that.

706
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, we could do sixty three. Availability is a

707
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 2: is a is a gift.

708
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, they probably moved to like sixty sixty three. Cool,

709
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 4: you meet the sixty.

710
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 3: Threshold and you're because anything more than twenty games is

711
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 3: a lot. I'm saying, like games, So like that's that's

712
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 3: really like sixty two. So like sixty three sixty two, Like,

713
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 3: I'm okay.

714
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: Twenty games is twenty five percent of the season, So yeah,

715
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: a quarter a quarters.

716
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 2: Roller, it's a big chunk. Yeah, you gotta get the

717
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 2: games in because that that's that's you. You understand that

718
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 2: the knowledge that you play by playing more games, that's

719
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 2: that's a that's a factor.

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00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 4: Yeah No, I mean mean, you gotta be there for

721
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 4: your team to be there. I agree. I just think

722
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 4: it's we're in the eraror where guys misking?

723
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 2: Can we find out who was the NBP who played

724
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 2: the least amount of games? Who would that be?

725
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 3: I wonder what if I think somebody got in like

726
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 3: fifty something games, right, I want to know who that was?

727
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 4: The games played.

728
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, God damn, that was a lockout there.

729
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 2: I was lockout. Okay, it was only fifty game season.

730
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 2: He missed one.

731
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 4: Bill Walton. Bill Walton is the answer. Even Lebron is

732
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 4: in twelve elect knockout.

733
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 2: No, that's locko, lockout.

734
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 3: I think they played sixty six.

735
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 2: What about it?

736
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 6: So Jannie is the answer? Yeah, started like that's was

737
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 6: a lot was Bill Walton? Is a real NBA season?

738
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 6: So fifty eight?

739
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bill Walton set the record fifty eight and then Giannis.

740
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 2: That was a COVID. The next one was Joel eanbiand or.

741
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 3: So that's a COVID year. So COVID here was less

742
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 3: than for eighty two, right, suppose, oh Joe, God, just Joelle.

743
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 2: Playing sixty five is the number? It really is. Sixty

744
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 2: five is the number when you look at it.

745
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, because Joel did sixty sixty. The right at sixty

746
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 3: five is the cover. But that's because he had to

747
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 3: because that's the rules in place at that time. That's

748
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 3: why he had to play sixty six at twenty two

749
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 3: to twenty three.

750
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 4: Generally speaking, yeah, sixty five is kind of the number.

751
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 2: And the year Cozy played sixty four, it was probably

752
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 2: like a sixty five game season.

753
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 4: Fag fag cool. He was out there playing all the

754
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 4: game teachers. I love that meme. By the way, Oh,

755
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 4: Mike played against mechanics so stupid. We haven't done a

756
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 4: mount Rushmore segment up here in a minute. So you

757
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 4: guys have seen the Los Angeles Lakers unveiled their eighth statue.

758
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 1: Former head coach at Riley, who was the head coach

759
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: for four of the five Showtime Lakers championships, now has

760
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: a nearly eight foot tall statue of him in Star

761
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: Plaza outside of Crypto dot Com Arena.

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00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 4: Congratulations past. First of all, did you see this and

763
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 4: what were your thoughts?

764
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 3: I didn't see it. I was invited to it, but

765
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 3: I didn't chance to see it. I was out of town, Bro.

766
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 3: I think I was out of town doing a game.

767
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 4: Bro.

768
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's dope. I mean he got said, we've

769
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 3: seen other statues out there. A feet tall is like,

770
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 3: I mean, that's a big statue statue.

771
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 2: No, not yet.

772
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 4: But he got five chips.

773
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 2: You don't got one in Chicago either.

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00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 3: He'll get one, get one, Wow, he should get one,

775
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 3: but a definitely Chicago.

776
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 2: How tall? How tall was the ways?

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00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 3: And I was his statue was not tall, the Wade statue,

778
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 3: even Cod statue, I don't think it's I don't think it's.

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00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 4: Got a cyot. You out in front of that was crazy.

780
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 3: I mean because it's next to a bunch of others.

781
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 3: Was it the way they feet? So I guess they're

782
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:08,919
Speaker 3: all about eight feet it's just the hype, but they don't.

783
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 3: The person don't look that tall.

784
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 4: So you like that they gave him a nice statue.

785
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 3: I mean, he's deserving of its, deserving of it.

786
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 4: He's a legendary.

787
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 3: So I mean, I guess the question is who else

788
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 3: do you think on the mountain? Who's your Mount Rushmore

789
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 3: of coaches? And who else deserves a statue.

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00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:38,240
Speaker 4: Mount Rushmore coaches? Easy? Phil Red uh Popovich?

791
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 2: Yeah?

792
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 3: Pop Phil Riley for sure? That fourth one is is

793
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 3: really red.

794
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: Yeah to me, it's read definitely because he like he

795
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: set the standard.

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00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's trying to give him that. Yeah. Yeah, So

797
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 2: that's pretty much it right there.

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00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 4: Who's knocking on the door?

799
00:37:59,280 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 2: Though?

800
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 4: Do you think.

801
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 3: I meant based off rings.

802
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 4: As decorated as those guys?

803
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 3: Are you based off r Yeah, he's got he's got

804
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 3: hell of rings before as a coach.

805
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 2: I gotta give Russell of some love as a coach. Coach,

806
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: that's what. That's insane, that's crazy, that's crazy coach.

807
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 3: I mean, would you put it? Would you put a

808
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 3: college coach up there?

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00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 2: Nah? No, this is n B n B A.

810
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 4: No, I don't count college guys.

811
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: I don't.

812
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 3: The first Pop Phil and Riley for sure, top like.

813
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 4: Pop Phil Riley in Red.

814
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 2: Now you just gotta start saying like her and her.

815
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:44,919
Speaker 4: I think it's knocking on the door. I guess because

816
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 4: he does.

817
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 2: What about Larry Brown or Lenny Wilkins coach Brown, Troy

818
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 2: Pistons coach daily daily.

819
00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 4: Coach for longevities. Only two rings, But the guy's been

820
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 4: an amazing coach.

821
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, he actually has. He's knocking on the door.

822
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 4: You know the NBA guys.

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00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:13,439
Speaker 1: Honestly, those those four guys, their resumes are so far

824
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: past everybody else.

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00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 3: Don't somebody got o d amount of championships in college?

826
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 2: Would yeah?

827
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 4: John Wooden?

828
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 2: Would you not put him?

829
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 4: No, he's not. He's not in the NBA in terms

830
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 4: of just coaching period.

831
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 2: You want to throw some high school coaches then.

832
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 3: No college college very different though in high school, bro,

833
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 3: it's a very different level.

834
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 2: You got some legendary high school coaches too, not like

835
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 2: that you do like Wooden?

836
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, like a damn one. It's not a damn one.

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00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 3: There's not another college coach like wo No, there's not

838
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 3: another college coach.

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00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 2: Coach is a legend John Wooden, he's not. At Then

840
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 2: you gotta put what's his name in there?

841
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 3: Like, uh, how many championship that?

842
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 2: Hurley? Mister Hurley?

843
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 4: Oh damn Bobby Hurley's pops.

844
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a he's a legend.

845
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 2: Legendary coaches. Man, what's the one? Steve Smith from Okyo O.

846
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,479
Speaker 4: Word, he's a legend for sure?

847
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 3: Eight game winning streak?

848
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 4: What game winning streak?

849
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 2: Eighty eight game winning streak?

850
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 4: That's crazy.

851
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 2: And then you gotta throw my boy from Connecticut girls.

852
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, gino, nice facts, got crazy.

853
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 2: Got to show him love, bro, got to show them

854
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 2: love Gino for sure.

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00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, Pat, summon all of those on them and on

856
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: the women's side, they've done incredible work. I think a

857
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: lot of people will say Mochi is doing some of

858
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: that similar stuff, and so is doing Staley. So shouts

859
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 1: to all the coaches winning championships out there, and shousta

860
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 1: Pat Raley.

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00:40:55,560 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 4: You know, Laker legend, Miami heat lifer. It's crazy.

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00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 1: He's gonna have a statue with both arenas it's all

863
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 1: said and done, and then it's well deserved.

864
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 4: All right, guys, it's time to stand on business, really

865
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 4: on business, because Jalen Brown.

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00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: I think it's just been the season of Jalen Brown

867
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: standing on business in terms of rhetorically anyway. They asked

868
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: Jalen Brown by his MVP case in a post game interview.

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00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 4: And he had this to say, we got the audio, Chris,

870
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 4: you know, and just.

871
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 5: Come out and be Jayn Brown. Why am I feel

872
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 5: like I'm the best two big player in the world.

873
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 5: I play both ends at the court night tonight. I'm favorable,

874
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 5: which is hard to do. I'm a leader, help lead

875
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 5: my team, empower my team to come out and play confidently,

876
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 5: something that doesn't always show up on the analytics. And

877
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 5: I'm a winner, you know, I come out and try

878
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 5: to win every single night.

879
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 3: So why they laughing at him in the comments? Man,

880
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,439
Speaker 3: a lot of kaws jiffs.

881
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 2: Out, like.

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00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: So if we know where you stand, this guy's already

883
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: your m v P or whatever. What do you think

884
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: about Jalen Jalen Brown's case for himself.

885
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 2: And is it is it true?

886
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 3: It makes a great case. I think people laugh at

887
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 3: him because they don't want the person to make a

888
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 3: case for themselves. His play is his play is shown

889
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 3: that he shouldn't have to speak it.

890
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 2: But he's not.

891
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 3: He's not wrong. You know, he's available. He doesn't power,

892
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 3: winning empowers his teammates. All those things he said are

893
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 3: true and his impact on winning, Like, if you take

894
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 3: him off that team, they're not the same. It's a

895
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 3: night and day of what they look like. And he

896
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 3: is one of the best two way players in the

897
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 3: world today right now this season. But that's something I

898
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 3: feel like you have to do. You have to longevity,

899
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 3: you have to do it night and night out for

900
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 3: some years.

901
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: No, I think he's been the best two way player

902
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 2: for like the last four years. Oh god, Okay, so

903
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 2: he's just like, let's look at his numbers.

904
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,240
Speaker 4: Offense and defense together.

905
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

906
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 2: I mean he's been averaging like between twenty six and

907
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 2: twenty eight over the last four years. And we already

908
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 2: know what he does on deepen. He's been doing this

909
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 2: for the last five six years. Like he's getting more

910
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 2: recognition because Tatum's not there, like I've watched this kid

911
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 2: grow like like, come on, that's the reason he got

912
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 2: finals MVP. It's the reason he got Eastern Conference Finals MVP.

913
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 2: It's like this year right here, in twenty twenty two,

914
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 2: he averaged twenty seven. I thought he was the best.

915
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 2: I said he was the best two way player in

916
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 2: the game. Then in twenty twenty two we forget this.

917
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 2: So Kawhi and Kawai ain't been on the court like that.

918
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I know Kawhi, he ain't been a healthy season.

919
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 3: He had year is when he got that extension. What

920
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 3: year was that you just got heard to play?

921
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 2: Not that year? Twenty twenty two? Twenty three? John is

922
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 2: still around, man, Janni's come on. Offensively is not the

923
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 2: same as Jayden Brown second sixty games? All right, Look,

924
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 2: all right, so he's averaging twenty three, he's averaging twenty

925
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: seven and doing the same defense as him.

926
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 4: Jannie is doing all of that scoring, and you know,

927
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 4: to be fair, his defense is tapered off.

928
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's still a twenty five years ago though

929
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 3: he's a he's a force offensively. Thirty two.

930
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 2: What I said about you got a guy can't you

931
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: can't give the ball to and the clutch to make

932
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 2: clush three throws or clutch three. You want to give

933
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 2: him that too way ship. No, I'm not shot on

934
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 2: Gianni's but I'm saying, like, offensively, he's not better than

935
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 2: Jaylen Brown.

936
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 4: He's a better offensive player twenty nine.

937
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 2: That's crazy who you went with the ball down the stretch,

938
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 2: Jayleen Brown on him? He's a better offense probably, but

939
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 2: he's all better offensive player though, But he's a better

940
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 2: offensive player. What are you talking about now down the stretch? Probably, Well,

941
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 2: he's a better well, won't you give it to the seat?

942
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 2: Make it makes sense? Then? Over here, even at the

943
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 2: better start, he's a better offensive player. Why you don't

944
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 2: want with the ball?

945
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: I think in the clutch Giannis is so one dimensional.

946
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: Defense is can load up on him and he's easier

947
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: to guard than but Brown's why it doesn't matter. Here's

948
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: why none of that ship matters. When Steph Curry is

949
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: winning unanimous MVP, when Harden is running away from it

950
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: with it, when fucking uh Westbrook is running away with it,

951
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: when Jokic is winning all these m vps, we don't

952
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: talk about two way play because that's not what MVP is.

953
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 4: It's not a two way player award. So to just

954
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 4: monkey wrench that thing and just jamming in there and

955
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,240
Speaker 4: be like, well, I'm too way. Well we don't consider

956
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 4: two way for m v P.

957
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 2: Why not?

958
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 4: We just don't.

959
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 3: What we do, it's considered, bro It's not as much today,

960
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:48,720
Speaker 3: not as much today.

961
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: It's nobody cares what Harden was doing on him on

962
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: defense when he won his MVP.

963
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 4: That's not why he won it because he was the

964
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 4: most dominant offensive.

965
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 2: Way historically great offensive like historically, yeah.

966
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: Bro, Say is a very good defender as well, but

967
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: he's historically great on all.

968
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 3: He also was if he considered one of like a

969
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 3: defensive team, they consider him for defense. He's a There's

970
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 3: also a lot of guys that were considered defensive teams,

971
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 3: like even Brown trying to get player there. They were

972
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 3: considered NBA defensive.

973
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 4: He's not.

974
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 2: You don't have the same versatility. Jalen guards one through four. Like,

975
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,439
Speaker 2: we saw what he did versus Luca in the finals. Yeah,

976
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 2: I mean not that he shut him down, but he

977
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 2: stifled him. Yeah, come on, man, we saw what he

978
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 2: did on the Lakers the other day.

979
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 3: Lucas numbers in the finals was crazy defense.

980
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:40,919
Speaker 2: Shoot percentage was way down.

981
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 3: I don't know, is not why we give guys the

982
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 3: reason why Lucas numbers, give Brown just because.

983
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 4: He asked us to.

984
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 2: We're not changed, not win guarded, not when guarded by

985
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 2: Jaen finals guarded.

986
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 3: It's the fact he's only been one finals.

987
00:46:58,440 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 2: So it was this.

988
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:07,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, his assints were way down, six assists lower average,

989
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 3: twenty nine.

990
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 2: What was he was averaging thirty that year?

991
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: It was there live, man, Lucas really good at getting

992
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: his numbers no matter what, even if he's not playing well,

993
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: he can get to that twenty nine point and and

994
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: like you, we have watched that game and been like, yo,

995
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: this does not seem like this guy was dominating the games.

996
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 2: His numbers was down. What was it shooting? He was

997
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 2: averaging thirty four? He was down to twenty eight. Was

998
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 2: that the year?

999
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the year twenty three, twenty four? Yes,

1000
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 3: numbers he was averaging thirty. What was his shooting percentage?

1001
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 4: Man?

1002
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 2: His numbers was down.

1003
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 4: I told you Jaylen shut him down. That's the shut

1004
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 4: him down.

1005
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: You gotta run with it because Boston is on the

1006
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: brink of an MVP case.

1007
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 3: Like there forty seven from the field was down.

1008
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:52,240
Speaker 2: Everything was down.

1009
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 3: Forty seven is not down.

1010
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 2: Forty nine. He shot for one.

1011
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 4: He never Lucas.

1012
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 2: He makes down.

1013
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 1: He was just warning seven series they put they paid

1014
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: that five out going and Luca was just they just

1015
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: wore him out that entire series. But again, just to reiterate,

1016
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: like love Jalen Brown, Bro, your two way case is

1017
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: meaningless here.

1018
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, bro, Like that.

1019
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 3: Helps man help MVP. Who are the top five to

1020
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 3: players in the NBA right now?

1021
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 4: Top five two way players?

1022
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: Anthony Edwards plays both ends of the floor, Jalen Brown

1023
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: plays both into the floor. Shay plays both ends of

1024
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: the floor. Wemby plays both ends of the floor.

1025
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 2: Terrible list. What I'm just saying. I'm gonna give you

1026
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 2: a better list.

1027
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 4: Kawhi, but he's not as good on defense anymore. He can't.

1028
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 4: He's not as latterly quick as he used to be.

1029
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 3: I mean he don't need to. He don't put as

1030
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 3: much energy into the defense anymore.

1031
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 4: So just not as quick.

1032
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 3: He never was like a quick. He was great with

1033
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 3: his hand.

1034
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 4: He was saying, he's a lot slower now than he

1035
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 4: was when he was.

1036
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 3: For sure, absolutely, but again, if he had the energy

1037
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 3: to do to play both sides. I had a team

1038
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 3: around him, I think he would be better defensively.

1039
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 4: I don't know, Man, his knees, you want his knees

1040
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 4: doing all that, the economy of movement. You're the one

1041
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 4: choosing where you.

1042
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 2: Want to go. You want to go there? On defense,

1043
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 2: you gotta.

1044
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 3: I don't know, breakdown right there, doctor, doctor.

1045
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 4: I don't know. Bro, I'm scared for that brother. If

1046
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 4: he got.

1047
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 2: My list best two way players in the league, I'm

1048
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 2: gonna start off with Jaylen Brown clear literally, then I'm

1049
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 2: gonna go.

1050
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: Uh.

1051
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:59,240
Speaker 2: Two way. Let's see. I'm gonna go uh, Jimmy Butler,

1052
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 2: he's healthy.

1053
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 3: Uh bamay, both of those I think estelf so like

1054
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 3: both of those offensively or not as.

1055
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 2: Good as they were. Like Jimmy Butler, I was thirty something.

1056
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 3: That was That was a long time. That was some

1057
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 3: time ago, not anymore, was it?

1058
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 5: Not?

1059
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 3: As you're right, some time ago. Go back to Kawas

1060
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen for doing that ship. He was a pretty

1061
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 3: good offensive player. He was, but he's not the same

1062
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 3: offensive players as he was. Yeah, he's in the game

1063
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 3: right now today, this year, the.

1064
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 2: Game today, this year, this year, I mean even before

1065
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 2: challenge to get top tier defensive players in the league,

1066
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 2: right for sure. I can't even tell you will be

1067
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 2: on all defense. Truthfully, I like my kid over there

1068
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 2: and uh, but it's offensives is challenge over there in Minnesota.

1069
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 2: But he's offensively challenged. Oh, he's offensively challenged.

1070
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 3: But he's still Oh g is a good two way

1071
00:50:58,360 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 3: player for sure.

1072
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 2: The offen challenge too.

1073
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:05,760
Speaker 3: They're not scoring like that. Yeah, that played boys scoring

1074
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 3: like you gotta.

1075
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 2: Give me at least twenty j dubb on Okay, j

1076
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 2: is in there, but not right now. He's saying he

1077
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 2: ain't been playing chet holmegrown.

1078
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 4: No know.

1079
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 2: He wants to be saying right now today.

1080
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 3: Whoever was in season you could say, Jimmy played this

1081
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 3: year before they see you said, Jimmy, you tried to

1082
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,959
Speaker 3: take that out. I just said offensively this year before

1083
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 3: they see I didn't think he was scoring that well.

1084
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 2: So I mean, I'm with you with that makes Jayleen

1085
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 2: Brown not much more valuable. We can't even name five.

1086
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 2: You can't name five.

1087
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 3: He named five, but those weren't legit ima legit all right.

1088
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 2: Dylan Brooks twenty yeahl Brooks.

1089
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 1: His numbers will dropped something though, I'm just saying Edwards,

1090
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: I've seen like the elite.

1091
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go see im. I'm definitely gonna go. And

1092
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 3: Jaylen Brown. I'm gonna put Kate in there. I'm gonna play.

1093
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 3: I think Wemby is not as consistent off of them,

1094
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 3: but I put one b in there, and then, uh

1095
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 3: who my fifth would be? Chris Chris, I probably would.

1096
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 4: I mean there were years where you could say Devin Booker.

1097
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 2: Was, but no, he was.

1098
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:24,439
Speaker 3: He tried defensive. I'll probably say J dub Man. Honestly, yeah,

1099
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,919
Speaker 3: I probably say J Doug, J dub.

1100
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 4: And shade of me.

1101
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,439
Speaker 1: Both those Thunder team plays both ends on the floor.

1102
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: That's what makes them special. Like they don't play a

1103
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 1: lot of one sided.

1104
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 4: Guys on their team, and that's you know, the best

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Speaker 4: teams in the league.

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Speaker 1: They play as many minutes as possible with five man

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Speaker 1: lineups that can do that, can hold up on offense

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Speaker 1: and defense.

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Speaker 4: That's the key.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, okay, I got one Cooper flag.

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Speaker 4: Hooper flag.

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Speaker 2: He's top right now, for sure.

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Speaker 4: You give him c Jaylen Brown.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully all the m v P voters heard you got

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Speaker 1: know so many of them are Boston based anyway, so

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Speaker 1: hopefully your case was made. And that's our show for today.

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Speaker 1: I think we made our case on the show today.

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Speaker 1: leave us a review. It really helps us with the algorithm.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you guys next time.

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Speaker 4: Peace out.

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