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Speaker 2: On today's episode of Reality with the King, we have
Speaker 2: to talk about the breaking news that happen over the weekend,
Speaker 2: which is Karen Huger did not show up at the
Speaker 2: Real House Watch of Potomac reunion, and she also released
Speaker 2: a statement stating that she has checked herself into rehab. Additionally,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about ESS's magazine. Oh Mia, I
Speaker 2: still love your girl and may be the only one,
Speaker 2: but whatever I digress. Mia thor In was a topic
Speaker 2: of conversation in this op ad that Essen's magazine did,
Speaker 2: saying that, Honey, they're not entertained by me. However, I
Speaker 2: have some thoughts and so does my guest. Welcome back
Speaker 2: the amazing DJ Richie Scot.
Speaker 3: What's going on sky Squad, rain Drops, what's going on?
Speaker 3: I love the collaboration.
Speaker 1: We do two. We do two.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to reality for the King and Honey, let's
Speaker 2: just dive right into it, Richie. So Karen Huger did
Speaker 2: not show up for the Real Housewives of Potomac reunion.
Speaker 2: And not only did she not show up, Honey, she
Speaker 2: has checked herself it to rehab. So what I would
Speaker 2: like to do for you and the rain Drops is
Speaker 2: to read this that Karen Huger made. Well, the thing
Speaker 2: was this her manager, I think, made the statement about
Speaker 2: how she has checked herself into rehab, which, by the way,
Speaker 2: look I think at the end of the day, that's
Speaker 2: something that I'm happy she did. But this is the
Speaker 2: statement that her team submitted. So I want to be
Speaker 2: able to read it to everybody. And here we go.
Speaker 2: Karen made the important decision to enter a private recovery program,
Speaker 2: so was unable to attend the reunion taping today. The
Speaker 2: statement read she was fully supported in this choice. We
Speaker 2: stand behind Karen as she embarks on this meaningful journey
Speaker 2: and are proud of her for taking such a significant
Speaker 2: step forward and her personal growth. Richie, what do you
Speaker 2: have to say about this because I read the statement
Speaker 2: and I again, I'm happy she decided to take the steps.
Speaker 2: A lot of people think it's too little, too late.
Speaker 2: Considering on this current season of Potomac, Karen kept saying,
Speaker 2: watch the footage, you have to see what happened, stay tuned,
Speaker 2: pretty much declaring her innocence when she was found guilty
Speaker 2: facing up to two years in jail. Is Karen doing
Speaker 2: this so that the judge can see she is at
Speaker 2: least accepting some form of responsibility and that her sentencing
Speaker 2: can be lowered.
Speaker 3: She should be. I mean, if you think, okay, let's
Speaker 3: go back, let's let's let's take it all the way back.
Speaker 3: You know, when we saw Karen on this season, it
Speaker 3: was very much giving. I will be vindicated. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm not speaking about this, you know, and to a
Speaker 3: certain degree I could understand why, right because and not
Speaker 3: to I draw this comparison, but like, we have three
Speaker 3: instances of something like this happening on a show this year.
Speaker 3: We have Shannon Badore, we have Maurice from Love and
Speaker 3: Marrick Huntsville, and we have Karen. Right, everybody handled their
Speaker 3: situations very very differently. So what I saw with Maurice,
Speaker 3: what I suspected was given his you know, I mean,
Speaker 3: he's in the field, he's in the law field, so
Speaker 3: obviously he's gonna know. I can't really respond too much
Speaker 3: because maybe I'm trying to do something so that this
Speaker 3: is either dismissed, it goes away, plea whatever. So I
Speaker 3: thought to myself, that's probably what they're advising Karen to do.
Speaker 3: Maintain your innocence, you know, speak very little about it.
Speaker 3: And then as we continue this season and as she
Speaker 3: it really felt like and I love Karen, I really
Speaker 3: really do, but it reallyind of felt like, ah, just wait,
Speaker 3: I am levitating above you all. I will be vindicated
Speaker 3: with Like it was almost like she she considered herself
Speaker 3: like a goddess at some point. And then when we
Speaker 3: saw the footage, I'm like, girl, did you see the footage?
Speaker 3: Did you could not have seen this footage? Did yo?
Speaker 3: Did anybody show her that before she went into the season.
Speaker 3: So when you think about all of that, and then
Speaker 3: you process the fact that they casually dropped that reunion poster,
Speaker 3: you know, they slid that out there yesterday afternoon in
Speaker 3: the evening time. You know, after all the headlines have broke,
Speaker 3: and with more information to follow, I was like, hmm,
Speaker 3: this is real interesting. So when I saw that statement,
Speaker 3: I also noticed that they did not say rehab. They
Speaker 3: used recoveries. You know what I'm saying. It was hmm
Speaker 3: a play word. Yeah, it's the presentation. So even if
Speaker 3: she comes like I would have, I would imagine that
Speaker 3: she's coming back to the show, right I would. I
Speaker 3: would imagine, Yeah, I would imagine that show without her, right,
Speaker 3: So I can imagine even her phrasing of her experience
Speaker 3: won't be one of rehab but recovery. And I think
Speaker 3: that's gonna make a big difference because words make a
Speaker 3: difference to Karen.
Speaker 1: If you notice, it does it does? It does?
Speaker 2: And I think that's the reason why she told me Richie.
Speaker 2: I ran into her a few weeks ago and I said,
Speaker 2: come to my podcast. She said, I will never go
Speaker 2: on your podcast.
Speaker 1: But I love you though, I said, but I love
Speaker 1: you too.
Speaker 2: It and it's fuddy because I told the rain drops
Speaker 2: and they said, Carlos is because you asked the real
Speaker 2: questions and she can't dance around it. So listen, you
Speaker 2: love Karen. I love Karen. I prayed for Karen like
Speaker 2: I honestly prayed for her as well. But listen, it
Speaker 2: is what it is. You are right in the sense
Speaker 2: of there is a play on words, and this is
Speaker 2: what I think about the situation you brought up. Maurice
Speaker 2: Scott from Love and Marriage Hunts Bill my creation. He
Speaker 2: was booked for Dui h. Everybody on the cast asked
Speaker 2: him about it. The reunion is coming up in a
Speaker 2: few weeks, I asked, But I say to you, I
Speaker 2: grilled him like a panini when it came to it,
Speaker 2: I came, if you guys to watch it. But like
Speaker 2: you said, Maurice Scott is an attorney. He was valedictorian
Speaker 2: in law school, which for a a young black man
Speaker 2: from Contact, Michigan, that is a that that's a huge accomplishment.
Speaker 1: And he said in nauseum, I'm not talking about it.
Speaker 1: Let the let the course do what to do.
Speaker 2: And I'm happy to report that the case was dismissed.
Speaker 2: I think everybody should join the Maurice Godschool of the
Speaker 2: Fleagship because apparently, like to say, it does work, it
Speaker 2: worn't it.
Speaker 3: It's like, okay, if you're especially if you're trying to
Speaker 3: fight the case, right, So it's it's best to say listen,
Speaker 3: I only have I say all the time a Law
Speaker 3: and Order SVU university degree in law. That is the
Speaker 3: my knowledge. But even I okay, who was salutatorian of
Speaker 3: my class.
Speaker 2: I know you aren't wait high school and college or
Speaker 2: one of the other.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about law school.
Speaker 1: That's still good.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about my imaginary law lord of SVU.
Speaker 1: Work like a child that shall.
Speaker 3: But listen, No, I'm just saying that with my limited knowledge.
Speaker 3: Even I know right, don't say anything, especially if you're
Speaker 3: trying to fight this when you're on a reality show,
Speaker 3: because everything you say and do can be used again.
Speaker 2: It can, And I think that's the reason why Maurice
Speaker 2: Scott did not say anything.
Speaker 1: If you talk.
Speaker 2: If we look at Shannavador from the Real House of Wasing,
Speaker 2: Orange County, one thing she did that I thought was
Speaker 2: worked in her favor.
Speaker 1: She I'm not gonna say she admitted to.
Speaker 2: What happened, but she never once deflected from it to
Speaker 2: the point where you got a sense she was in denial,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I think from what I gathered,
Speaker 2: she kind of owned up to it. She had her
Speaker 2: reasons as to why she was in that place, but
Speaker 2: she was.
Speaker 1: She handled it honestly, very well too.
Speaker 2: The thing with Karen that I think was a disadvantage
Speaker 2: for her is what you said this season. She kept saying,
Speaker 2: you will see, you will see, and it's like, girl,
Speaker 2: we saw, you know, like we saw. And to answer
Speaker 2: your question, I am not sure she saw the footage
Speaker 2: when the show was filming, right, the footage of her arrest,
Speaker 2: because if you did, you would be like, eh, I'm
Speaker 2: not even sure her lawyers may have seen it, because
Speaker 2: there's an investigation and you got to get the prosecutors
Speaker 2: to allow you to see evidences the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Nonetheless, she denied the plea deal.
Speaker 2: And according to my sources, and I don't think I
Speaker 2: got this wrong, but I want to say allegedly, to
Speaker 2: be careful, allegedly Karen was awarded the opportunity on a
Speaker 2: plea deal to have six month house arrest. Now if
Speaker 2: that is true, and according to my sources it is true,
Speaker 2: but I'll say alleged, Allegedly she was offered six months
Speaker 2: house arrest. When you're offered that, that's the time, Richie,
Speaker 2: you see the footage of the arrest.
Speaker 1: I am shocked that based on what we.
Speaker 2: All saw that a plea deal was not accepted because
Speaker 2: we all experienced COVID the pandemic. Okay, six months in
Speaker 2: the house, ain't that bad. It ain't that bad. Bring
Speaker 2: the party to you. Let's go to Instacart, door dash Uber,
Speaker 2: eat honey, and bring the food the party to my house.
Speaker 2: I strongly believe if Karen knew about this plea deal,
Speaker 2: if she knew, if she decided to not pursue the
Speaker 2: plea deal, I strongly believe she did not do it
Speaker 2: because she did not want to admit guilt in front
Speaker 2: of her castmates. And that's that's that makes me sad
Speaker 2: that anybody's real life could be heavily impacted because you
Speaker 2: don't want to deal with your reality on a reality show.
Speaker 3: Well, Carlos, I was actually gonna say also to her defense,
Speaker 3: and it's I'm not defending what she did. I'm just
Speaker 3: trying to understand her strategy, right, or maybe her mindset
Speaker 3: as she's navigating this, because Karen is typically the target
Speaker 3: on that show, so I can only imagine that every
Speaker 3: season you're going into it on defense, and to a
Speaker 3: large degree, the show has worked because of Karen being
Speaker 3: the target. So I can only imagine her thinking about
Speaker 3: the embarrassment of what that would feel like to know
Speaker 3: that they they now have a house arrest against her,
Speaker 3: right when maybe what if this whole recovery center situation
Speaker 3: was the plan all along?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: But this okay, Yes, the issue I have with that
Speaker 2: is the fact that you can't play with the terms
Speaker 2: of your sentencing because and again I'm saying alleged, because
Speaker 2: I just have to allegedly she has more than.
Speaker 1: Two DUIs, right, well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we heard Robin say on the Reasonably
Speaker 3: Shady podcast that there were four, so I and again
Speaker 3: I will saying allegedly as well, because I'm like that
Speaker 3: that blew my mind when i heard four, I'm thinking
Speaker 3: to myself, wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait.
Speaker 3: This has never really been brought up on the show
Speaker 3: before in this way. So the fact that they that
Speaker 3: they kept this, they nobody mentioned it like at all
Speaker 3: on the show. We know that Karen has stated before
Speaker 3: that she had had a DUI or something similar to that, right, yeah,
Speaker 3: but when you add two, three and four, this that's
Speaker 3: another story.
Speaker 1: It is it is, it is.
Speaker 2: And listen, you mentioned how Karen is always the target
Speaker 2: and listen, she is for sure, and so much Gazelle's fashions,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So you know, but you did,
Speaker 2: but you don't see Gizelle trying to do a.
Speaker 1: Deal with she by Cherie to get free close child.
Speaker 2: So it's one of those things where you kind of
Speaker 2: accept your faith, like I love Gazelle's fashions, Zille's beautiful
Speaker 2: woman inside out. And at the end of the day, Karen,
Speaker 2: when you are the star of the show and the
Speaker 2: force multiplier like Gizelle is, it is what it is.
Speaker 2: But what is interesting is the fact that these ladies
Speaker 2: knew this information and they did not reveal it. I
Speaker 2: think we all have to look at the collective of
Speaker 2: the Potomac Girls and say, as much shade and a
Speaker 2: hard time they have given to Karen, there is this
Speaker 2: weird sense of protection that they did. Because I was
Speaker 2: told by very reliable sources associated with the cast.
Speaker 1: Okay, I want to make that very clear the cast.
Speaker 2: Okay, I was told that Richie months ago, months ago.
Speaker 2: And I'm not here to gossip about someone's unfortunate situation.
Speaker 1: One thing about me and my professionalism.
Speaker 2: If it's on the show, I'm gonna talk about a child,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, if it's a storyline, gonna.
Speaker 1: Talk about it.
Speaker 2: I was told that as well, Richie, months ago. And
Speaker 2: to hear that Robin Dixon did say it on her
Speaker 2: reasonably shady podcast. Robin that was very shady, not reasonable,
Speaker 2: But you're supposed to be reasonable of Robin. And Giselle
Speaker 2: is shady. But again, give Gisell her props. Giselle's a
Speaker 2: shady one. Admittedly, that's that's what she said, and she
Speaker 2: didn't reveal it. And I think that's the reason why Richie,
Speaker 2: I'm shocked if that is true.
Speaker 1: If that is true that she has four.
Speaker 2: I'm struggling as to why amplete Richie six months house
Speaker 2: arrests with a tenth on your ankle, I would have
Speaker 2: dazzled it.
Speaker 1: I would have called Wayne.
Speaker 2: I would have called thereat and said, you know, all
Speaker 2: of your fabrics from Beverly Beach by Derey that is
Speaker 2: now defunct, do you have any fabrics derea that I
Speaker 2: can add onto my tether?
Speaker 1: Do you have it? Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: I would have said, Gizelle, you know how to build houses,
Speaker 2: that's very you know, creative. How about you come and
Speaker 2: give me a room. I would have made let me
Speaker 2: through something. Karen has a fan base. I imagine the
Speaker 2: scene rain drops, Karen luxuriating in her room with waiters
Speaker 2: and waitresses, do you know what I mean? Like, I would
Speaker 2: have made it so grand that when you see Kathy
Speaker 2: Hilton sipping a straw getting her face done, I would
Speaker 2: have done that only to show Karen getting dressed up
Speaker 2: to go into the basement.
Speaker 1: Like. I would have made it a thing. And it
Speaker 1: makes me sad that.
Speaker 2: There isn't somebody that Karen could listen to say we
Speaker 2: care more about your real life fate than what these
Speaker 2: girls are the addists is gonna think.
Speaker 3: But then wouldn't that be the attorney's job. I mean
Speaker 3: to a degree, right, they can only advise, I'm certain,
Speaker 3: but yeah, I feel like that's where the attorney comes
Speaker 3: in and says, listen, girl, no, this is this is serious.
Speaker 3: At this point, we need to we need to strategize
Speaker 3: now early and have our messaging like the difference. Like
Speaker 3: you said, there was something different about Shannon. This was
Speaker 3: a build up for us with Shannon visually on the show. Right,
Speaker 3: you could see that this was going to at some
Speaker 3: point become a thing for Shannon, and it was going
Speaker 3: to blow at some point. It was just a matter
Speaker 3: of time, unfortunately. And what Shannon did on the show
Speaker 3: I felt like was she there was a bit of
Speaker 3: there was there was a lot of contrition, you know.
Speaker 3: She she seemed just distraught by it, right. So I
Speaker 3: think with Karen having to put up that defense because
Speaker 3: she knows that this is going to be the topic
Speaker 3: of conversation, that to me is the sad part, because
Speaker 3: now you can't even process your actual feelings with the
Speaker 3: with with the audience because you're so fearful of what
Speaker 3: your castmates may say or do with this information, or
Speaker 3: if you give anything, they may use it against you.
Speaker 3: That that is her fear. That's sad, No, and that
Speaker 3: is sad. Child.
Speaker 2: We are just getting started. This is reality with the
Speaker 2: King and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show.
Speaker 2: So Karen missed the reunion. She did check herself into
Speaker 2: some sort of recovery. You know, we are saying rehab.
Speaker 2: You know, possibly that's a child. I don't know what
Speaker 2: the other recovery it is, honey, but that's that, you know,
Speaker 2: it is semantics. She Karen has a large following of
Speaker 2: fans who love her regardless of what she does. Right, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: Richie said the child you so you are a laddam.
Speaker 3: I am a ladam. Listen I interview her one time.
Speaker 1: I think you ship. I can't get ship from Karen, but.
Speaker 3: I couldn't get it no more.
Speaker 1: Karen. Give me the exit interview child. Goodness.
Speaker 2: Wait, give it the anti first, Hudy. I'll take the second.
Speaker 2: Child Lord, Listen.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing with Housewives. I mean, listen, Look, they
Speaker 3: waited for Teresa, right, I mean it's it's this is
Speaker 3: not something she can't bounce back from the star or
Speaker 3: the lead of a show that usually becomes or or
Speaker 3: reaches that legendary status in reality TV land because they
Speaker 3: can take the hits from every direction and they can
Speaker 3: keep it pushing and if and to me, that is Karen.
Speaker 3: She fits in there with the Kniannies and the Teresa's.
Speaker 3: At this point in.
Speaker 1: My mind agreed she was.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: I agree with that question for you.
Speaker 2: There are people who Villa Domes who are like, Karen,
Speaker 2: we love you, babe, you know, just we're praying for you.
Speaker 2: There are some people who are disappointed after watching the footage,
Speaker 2: but at the end of the day, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of people who are like, we love you despite of
Speaker 2: what we saw.
Speaker 1: The question for you, let's have a real conversation.
Speaker 2: Okay, if that was Giselle Bryant in that video, do
Speaker 2: you think the response from the audience would be vastly different?
Speaker 3: Well, just picture. The problem is I can't pictures. Here's
Speaker 3: the thing. The absurdity of this is that I can
Speaker 3: see this happening to Karen. And it's not because I don't.
Speaker 3: Karen's not a She's not a sloppy woman. Don't get
Speaker 3: me wrong. Karen is a She's Karen is pulled together,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. She is pois, she's beautiful.
Speaker 3: But you there, yo, you can't tell me this in
Speaker 3: some small way that when you saw that video that
Speaker 3: some part of you was like, oh yeah, okay, I
Speaker 3: can see I can see my girl having that kind
Speaker 3: of a day. I cannot picture Gazelle in this state.
Speaker 3: I just can't. And I think that's the difference. So
Speaker 3: it would the response be different. It would be drastically different,
Speaker 3: I think because we tend to view as a very
Speaker 3: controlled person and I for you know, for whether you
Speaker 3: like her or not, That's the thing that I think
Speaker 3: I respect about her the most after all of these years,
Speaker 3: is that she is so controlled. She doesn't explode on
Speaker 3: social media. You won't get a response from her. If
Speaker 3: you are coming for her on social media, she will
Speaker 3: get you in another way. Yeah, And that's just the truth,
Speaker 3: I mean, And and it works for her. You know.
Speaker 3: I feel like it's a virgo thing, but I'm not.
Speaker 3: I can't be sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now, they said Gazelle is very much control.
Speaker 2: She's very much poised in a very different way than Karen,
Speaker 2: like j Jail's poisonous.
Speaker 1: That's a word, is a lot.
Speaker 2: I mean, it has a lot to do with the
Speaker 2: fact that Gizelle is that I was gonna says it's.
Speaker 1: Her background, being the first lady.
Speaker 2: Giselle is a Gizelle is a strikingly beautiful woman, right,
Speaker 2: And I'm going someplace with these guys and Giselle from
Speaker 2: the pictures I've seen, baby gazill has been beautiful her
Speaker 2: entire life, which means Giselle has always been conscious of
Speaker 2: that people are watching her and they're looking at her.
Speaker 2: And I think Gizelle since birth has always been aware
Speaker 2: that she's the center of attention. And when you are
Speaker 2: the center of attention, you know that one move you
Speaker 2: make is going to be talked about. She was the
Speaker 2: first lady to Jamal Bryant, the first lady in a
Speaker 2: black church is the grandam of the church and the community.
Speaker 2: And you are very poised. You sit there on the
Speaker 2: on the front road of the pool pit, honey, and
Speaker 2: you watch your man past her to the congregation, and
Speaker 2: you sit there with a Lais cross and a pearl
Speaker 2: cloth over your crotch, honey, and you you make sure
Speaker 2: that you know.
Speaker 1: You gather of the girls. You know you gap, you
Speaker 1: gathered the US shirt, you gap of the girls.
Speaker 2: And you the first thing of the church is really.
Speaker 1: Like the first lady of the United States. Okay, so I.
Speaker 3: Mean slightly, and there's a slight. I'm looking down upon you.
Speaker 1: You got it. You gotta admit that. I mean, let's
Speaker 1: have a conversation.
Speaker 2: Look, yeah, we've seen Jazelle Kobe Bryant, look Donald, some
Speaker 2: people are her own show.
Speaker 1: So I can an that's my love.
Speaker 2: I don't care what anybody says. I love Jazelle, but
Speaker 2: I also love Karen and Karen. Look, we are all
Speaker 2: praying for you. Rich and I are huge fans of
Speaker 2: you r. We are part of the ladam Klik. Richie
Speaker 2: was blessed to get an interview with you. I am
Speaker 2: waiting with beata breath for that to ever be an accomplishment.
Speaker 2: You said no to my faith, you said, you said
Speaker 2: the words never. I am somebody who lives in reality.
Speaker 2: I'm not de Lulu, so but I'm hopeful. But all
Speaker 2: jus aside. We love you, Karen, We're praying for you,
Speaker 2: we want the best for you. And look, do I
Speaker 2: think Karen is fire? Absolutely not. Do I think the
Speaker 2: show will be put on Paul's depending on her sentencing.
Speaker 1: I this is my opinion.
Speaker 2: I think the difference between Karen and Teresa, and this
Speaker 2: is just me being honest.
Speaker 1: Karen definitely. Let's be real.
Speaker 2: Karen and Gazille are the leads, They're the anchors of
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 3: Yes, I agree with that.
Speaker 2: Okay, Teresa had no no co anchors on Jersey.
Speaker 1: Teresa was you know you.
Speaker 3: Just did a little old Melissa Lovelessa Gorga.
Speaker 2: I do no, let's have a real conversation. Theresa had
Speaker 2: no co anchor. She was a captain of the ship.
Speaker 2: So without the captain, what are we doing here? So
Speaker 2: I think the only reason why they would not pause
Speaker 2: production depending on whatever sentencing Karen gets, is because look,
Speaker 2: you got your Zelle, you got Mia, you got Wendy.
Speaker 2: You know, like you, you have a healthy bunch of
Speaker 2: women that can carry the torch shell shell Karen sentencing
Speaker 2: the interferes with the sun of production. But do you
Speaker 2: agree or disagree with that?
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say this, and this is no disrespect to
Speaker 3: the other ladies, because you know, I think that what
Speaker 3: you would be missing if you don't have if you
Speaker 3: have a season of no Karen, is you're missing a
Speaker 3: level of sass that a cast member like Karen or
Speaker 3: a Candace brings. It's it's this snap that it brings
Speaker 3: to the show that adds to the comedy of it
Speaker 3: at times. Well you know what I'm saying, depending on
Speaker 3: how how how feisty they feeling right that that can
Speaker 3: go from that can go from laughing to low right,
Speaker 3: But they got what I'm saying is they got they
Speaker 3: got a quick with it. Now Wingy's quick with it.
Speaker 3: But it's it's a different level, right. Yes, to me,
Speaker 3: I would liken more to a Giselle and in the
Speaker 3: sense of her control, like she is a controlled person, right, Yes,
Speaker 3: whereas I feel like Candace and Karen have a snap
Speaker 3: to them. That's just it's almost it's bonkers the things
Speaker 3: that they say and we and you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It's just it's it's off the cuff like that. So
Speaker 3: I just for me, I might would pause it for
Speaker 3: a minute. I mean hopefully, I mean, listen, I hope that,
Speaker 3: I hope that whatever I'm open, I'm praying for the
Speaker 3: best outcome for Karen. That's what I'm praying for. So
Speaker 3: but in terms of the show, if you don't have Karen,
Speaker 3: let's bring back let's let's bring back Candice into the mix.
Speaker 1: If we can't, oh, I mean I'm not mad at that.
Speaker 3: You know, her and Gazelle, they're gonna have to work
Speaker 3: it out, Yes, work it out, and let's let's keep
Speaker 3: the let's keep the checks coming.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, I want to keep the checks coming for
Speaker 2: all of my girls, including Mia. So Mia have first
Speaker 2: chair after reunion and Gazelle set opposite of her, and
Speaker 2: Gazelle has reclaimed her throne of getting the first chair.
Speaker 2: Some people shaated my girl Gazelle and said it's because
Speaker 2: Karen ain't there. But look, at the end of the day, Giselle,
Speaker 2: think about that.
Speaker 1: Leave Gisella alone, y'all.
Speaker 2: She has first chair and I'm happy to see my
Speaker 2: girl acclaim her throne.
Speaker 1: So look.
Speaker 2: Essence Magazine had an op ed recently where the baby
Speaker 2: this headline gagged me. The headline was, there's nothing entertaining
Speaker 2: about Mia Thornton's Real Housewives of Potomac storyline. Mia is
Speaker 2: right not to stay in a toxic relationship. But between
Speaker 2: ever changing stories, moving her boyfriend in immediately with her
Speaker 2: kids and those Instagram posts, could she go about things
Speaker 2: any worse?
Speaker 1: Richie?
Speaker 2: As you know, I am part of the Mia b
Speaker 2: Lion crew.
Speaker 1: Mia b Lion.
Speaker 2: Refused to accept that that's her fan base name. She says,
Speaker 2: Carlos is called the Mia Moore's and all, I'm like,
Speaker 2: it don't stick the same.
Speaker 1: I love you, be afore it doesn't. I don't like
Speaker 1: it be a bore. It doesn't.
Speaker 2: It doesn't right, Richie doesn't stick the same me and
Speaker 2: Blatt ran.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So anyways, I want to get your thoughts first about
Speaker 2: this article because a lot of people are having some
Speaker 2: very very strong reactions to mea this season. And before
Speaker 2: I give you my opinion, I want to hear from you.
Speaker 1: Do you think Mia is declassing the show.
Speaker 3: So specific? Okay, I did this disclaimer, right, you know Mia,
Speaker 3: I know Mia? Right? So Mia is Actually we have
Speaker 3: a friend circle that you know Mia is is also
Speaker 3: very much entrenched in and I personally haven't been able
Speaker 3: to spend a lot of time with her in that
Speaker 3: friend circle because typically it's either I'm leaving at that
Speaker 3: time and she's arriving or something like that.
Speaker 2: The way you leave, you leave early to go home
Speaker 2: and have a rest but night and Leah, Leah, Mia
Speaker 2: enters around like one am.
Speaker 3: No, no, I'm in by eight Okay, So it ain't
Speaker 3: even like that. Okay, and that's only been a couple
Speaker 3: of times, right. But here's the thing, So I give
Speaker 3: that caveat to say this. You know the person that
Speaker 3: I that I'm that I that I know more of
Speaker 3: is obviously you know, she's you know, she's a cool chick,
Speaker 3: she's some mean, you know, she's super nice, she's super sweet.
Speaker 3: So so as I give this what I'm about to
Speaker 3: give you, I give it in love. Okay, I gotta
Speaker 3: say that, but I also got to be honest the
Speaker 3: story for her, and I know that they've used storyline,
Speaker 3: so I'm gonna follow their leave from essence, It's confusing.
Speaker 3: It's confusing, and as a reviewer, it's difficult because I
Speaker 3: don't ever really feel like talking about nobody's kids. Okay,
Speaker 3: you get in trouble when you bring up kids, and
Speaker 3: I just don't feel like I just don't want to
Speaker 3: talk about it, So that part of it alone makes
Speaker 3: me uncomfortable. I wish that I wish that they had left,
Speaker 3: that they had cut that out of the show, to
Speaker 3: be quite honest with you, because then I think that
Speaker 3: this whole situation would be a little cleaner for her.
Speaker 3: We I could almost deal with the confusion of Ink
Speaker 3: and Gordon, but when you throw in a paternity sort
Speaker 3: of storyline with this, then you make it like we
Speaker 3: as an audience are kind of like, well, I'm trying
Speaker 3: to judge you as a mama. You know I'm trying
Speaker 3: to do that, but you know now, I mean, it's
Speaker 3: so many different little layers and elements to it that
Speaker 3: it has become convoluted. And if the storyline becomes convoluted,
Speaker 3: then we as an audience. We're not entertained, We're just confused,
Speaker 3: and then we tired. I'm tired. I am weary by it.
Speaker 3: So if it's it's like, clear it up, resolve, how
Speaker 3: do what's the result here?
Speaker 2: Okay, So this is how I feel about it. And
Speaker 2: first of all, I get exactly what you're saying. This
Speaker 2: is how I feel. That's the reason why MIA is
Speaker 2: necessary for the shell to me everything you said like
Speaker 2: having these strong feelings, these strong reactions right that are
Speaker 2: rooted in how you really feel.
Speaker 1: I feel like we.
Speaker 2: Don't get that anymore on reality TV because a lot
Speaker 2: of the people sign up for the wrong reasons. They
Speaker 2: sign up for immediate fame, they sign up for immediate
Speaker 2: success in terms of monetary means. They sign up to
Speaker 2: promote whatever products, brands, stuff they have, but they're not
Speaker 2: willing to give their real lives and exchange anymore. I
Speaker 2: always go back to Season one of the Real Housewives
Speaker 2: of Atlanta, my first ever production credit in reality television.
Speaker 1: When Niini leaks storyline.
Speaker 2: Season one of that show was the paternity of her father, right,
Speaker 2: and we saw Niini go through the emotional roller coaster
Speaker 2: of rather not the man who raised her was her
Speaker 2: biological father. We find out at the end of the
Speaker 2: season he was not. And then season two I was
Speaker 2: we went to Athens together and Nini, which is a
Speaker 2: true story. This is why I I.
Speaker 1: I missed the days of real reality.
Speaker 2: We're in Athens, Georgia looking for Nini's father and he's
Speaker 2: on a park bench, like you can't you can't script that,
Speaker 2: and her biological father looks exactly like her oldest son, Bryson,
Speaker 2: And it was it was, It was real and it
Speaker 2: was emotional. And I think the difference is the audience
Speaker 2: judges women who may be going through fraternity issue versus men.
Speaker 2: Even on my show Bell Collective, when Glenn had a
Speaker 2: fraternity you know, scandal based on having an affair on
Speaker 2: his wife Latitia, I was more repolished for the day
Speaker 2: hosting the reunion and they agreed to have the results.
Speaker 2: A lot of people was like, Okay, great, And I
Speaker 2: think it's because it wasn't Latitia in.
Speaker 1: The hot seat not knowing who the father of her
Speaker 1: son was.
Speaker 2: It was Glenn trying to figure out, like, is this
Speaker 2: other woman some mind? So I do think women dealing
Speaker 2: with that get a bad rap. And I get it
Speaker 2: because that's just how society is. But I think what
Speaker 2: Mia is giving me, and I'm gonna be very honest
Speaker 2: when I say this, I feel like when it comes
Speaker 2: to Potomac, especially this season, Karen d ui situation was
Speaker 2: arguably the strongest personal storyline, but she gave what she
Speaker 2: gave us nothing to work with, nothing, nothing, no conversations
Speaker 2: about it, no meetings with nothing, no court nothing, nothing.
Speaker 2: And I struggle with that. I miss Candace because Kansas
Speaker 2: gave us her mom Dorothy issues, you know, her, her
Speaker 2: her husband Chris, you know, not being the bread and
Speaker 2: you know. I miss Michael Darby because we had real personal.
Speaker 1: Stories that we were like, oh Lord.
Speaker 2: And I do think because Mia is the only one
Speaker 2: giving us.
Speaker 1: That this season, a lot of the eyeballs are on her.
Speaker 2: And when it comes to kids, I agree with everybody.
Speaker 2: I don't like seeing kids who are minors having to
Speaker 2: deal with that. So I want thousand percent agree with
Speaker 2: that and I want thousand percent get it. I do
Speaker 2: think Mia is getting a bad rap too, because we
Speaker 2: have been conditioned to accept the mediocrity of what we're
Speaker 2: given that is spoon fed by reality stars who don't.
Speaker 1: Want to give us any reality anymore.
Speaker 2: And when you have a cast member who's like, I'm
Speaker 2: just giving y'all the real and here you go, and
Speaker 2: I think she's being judged harshly for it.
Speaker 3: Okay, so let's let's dive into that, because what you
Speaker 3: have introduced to me is something it ain't. It's not new,
Speaker 3: but it's a reminder that real life is messy.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Real life is messy and we may never understand it.
Speaker 3: And so when you put it into that context, I
Speaker 3: think because we also have added in the kid element,
Speaker 3: which makes me uncomfortable, especially because this is also someone
Speaker 3: I know, I think that is it it and that
Speaker 3: that's why I mention it, because I want when I
Speaker 3: say I'm uncomfortable, these are the the real reasons why
Speaker 3: I personally am uncomfortable about it. Right. And it's not
Speaker 3: like I'm going to pick up the phone and call
Speaker 3: her and say, hey, hey girl, what's going on with
Speaker 3: this with the storyline. I would never do that because
Speaker 3: even if we did happen to, I wouldn't mention the show.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't mention anything about it because that's not what
Speaker 3: I want any of my relationships outside of this to be. Right,
Speaker 3: So I wouldn't know what to say to her other
Speaker 3: than I guess just be yourself and if this is
Speaker 3: actually your real life, And she does make a really
Speaker 3: strong case for that on the show, which is also
Speaker 3: a little bit of breaking the fourth wall that I
Speaker 3: really hadn't processed until you just mentioned it. She's directly
Speaker 3: saying it to them. I'm showing my real life. You
Speaker 3: girls are not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the reason why I will defend Mia
Speaker 2: until the end of time, because you know, listen, you Richie,
Speaker 2: you of all people know this. You know people love
Speaker 2: to shade me and throw my name into stuff that
Speaker 2: I have nothing to do with. So of course the
Speaker 2: narrative is and I'm sure you saw this, Carlos HiPE
Speaker 2: Mia up as Carlos fall He said Mia was the
Speaker 2: star of the shall carl I'm like, and I'm gonna
Speaker 2: stand ten tones behind it because Mia is doing exactly
Speaker 2: what I knew she was capable of, which is being real.
Speaker 2: And again I'm not agreeing with what she does or
Speaker 2: how she lives her life.
Speaker 1: That's not my job. I'm a viewer.
Speaker 2: I'm watching her and I am entertained by it. I'm
Speaker 2: entertained by it. What I'm not entertained by is people
Speaker 2: who don't want to address real things happening in their
Speaker 2: real lives, and they get away with it because they
Speaker 2: try to give you a moment, or they deflect, or
Speaker 2: they do a rehearse read, or they bring on fake
Speaker 2: relationships and they try to have meetings behind the scenes
Speaker 2: of the cast members and say this is going to
Speaker 2: be our main story.
Speaker 1: I don't like that, y'all.
Speaker 2: So so my thing to the audience is what do
Speaker 2: y'all want? When someone gives y'all real y'all mad at it.
Speaker 2: But when someone gives y'all a fake boyfriend, where someone
Speaker 2: gives y'all a fake storyline that was conspired against y'all accepted, Well,
Speaker 2: so what is it? Y'all want reality or you want
Speaker 2: the reality that fits you. And I don't want to
Speaker 2: watch TV shows that makes me comfortable to watch.
Speaker 1: When I watched the eleven o'clock.
Speaker 2: News, I'm uncomfortable what's happening in the neighborhood or in
Speaker 2: the state that I lived in.
Speaker 1: It makes me uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: But I'm watching it because it's really happening, and I
Speaker 2: need to understand how the world works, you know, not
Speaker 2: to get all political and stuff. But I had a
Speaker 2: conversation recently with a few friends of mine about Kamala Harris,
Speaker 2: and you know how she lost the election and how
Speaker 2: a lot of us was surprised she lost because we
Speaker 2: are in this echo chamber.
Speaker 1: Well, according to everything.
Speaker 2: I saw, I thought she wasn't shoe in, but again right,
Speaker 2: I thought she was a shoeing And then when the
Speaker 2: results came out, it was like, oh, it was a
Speaker 2: landslide loss. So I don't want to live in a
Speaker 2: world to where I'm being spoon fed things that makes
Speaker 2: me comfortable.
Speaker 1: I want reality of life.
Speaker 2: And Mia Thornton is giving us the reality of life.
Speaker 1: And it's not our job to be comfortable with it.
Speaker 2: It's our job to watch it and yes, have comments
Speaker 2: on it and judge it. You know, we're all we're
Speaker 2: a judgmental world. But it's what we signed on to watch.
Speaker 2: And it makes me sad that Mia unfortunately is giving
Speaker 2: the show what it needs and no one appreciates it.
Speaker 3: But I have a question for you.
Speaker 1: Go ahead.
Speaker 3: To bring it back full circle. Okay, so the name
Speaker 3: that you christened her Mia be lying your audience believe her,
Speaker 3: and do the castmates believe her, because every interview that
Speaker 3: I've seen from Giselle to Wendy is them all saying
Speaker 3: she's lying. So I think that also adds a layer
Speaker 3: to this is it? Is it real? That's what I
Speaker 3: think is also a little like do I trust my
Speaker 3: own eyes?
Speaker 2: I love it? I love it. I love it, I
Speaker 2: love it, I love I love it. And and you
Speaker 2: raised a very good point. Mia did not do herself
Speaker 2: a good service by not remembering things that should be rememberable. Right.
Speaker 1: I coined the phrase Mia be lying for a reason.
Speaker 2: Right, So I now that I agree with and I
Speaker 2: did even think about that, So thank you Richie for
Speaker 2: that too. If the audience is struggling with whether or
Speaker 2: not we can believe it, I tenth toes down.
Speaker 1: Understand that, got it.
Speaker 2: If we're questioning whether or not it's believable, got it,
Speaker 2: get it understood.
Speaker 1: Let's have a real conversation about that.
Speaker 2: Right, Mia, girl, we all call you me and be lying,
Speaker 2: And you know, even my interview with her, thank you
Speaker 2: me and for saying yes to me. Karen said never,
Speaker 2: I accept anyone who says yes to reality with the king.
Speaker 2: So I said to her, Richie, you saw the interview said,
Speaker 2: let's talk about this, be and be lying, and she goes, Okay,
Speaker 2: let's talk about it, and she goes, look, it's not
Speaker 2: that me and be lying. Mia, don'te be remembering and
Speaker 2: Mia sometimes forget the truth.
Speaker 1: But Ritchie, she's so damn likable. I'm like, look, be Bitchie.
Speaker 3: That I did. Yeah, you know what she is like
Speaker 3: I mean, and that's what I try to like. I
Speaker 3: do try to balance that with telling people like this
Speaker 3: is this is somebody that in reality is likable, Like
Speaker 3: you can't help it. She's just she's just like that.
Speaker 3: But uh, the misremembering is not helpful to us in
Speaker 3: the in the form of the story. And I have
Speaker 3: to love I love Jacqueline for her, but I have
Speaker 3: to wonder if Jacqueline helps or hurts her at times.
Speaker 2: Jacqueline's having a bad season too, and Jacqueline knows I
Speaker 2: love her, and Jacqueline, please don't send me another deal.
Speaker 1: I love Richie. These girls be reading me the DLS.
Speaker 1: I'm like, look, dude, Richie, I.
Speaker 2: Get a da from a girl who reads me. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, why is that. Everybody in the world can have.
Speaker 1: An opinion but me. I'm just give me.
Speaker 2: I don't say anything this sparatic about the girls. I
Speaker 2: just said to you, I was told something about Karen
Speaker 2: munth Ago. I would never expose that if that is true,
Speaker 2: because I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not like that.
Speaker 3: But look, because we're saying this, I feel like we're
Speaker 3: saying these things in love, right because we love the
Speaker 3: show so it This ain't no bashing session. This is
Speaker 3: literally us dissecting the show and the elements of the show.
Speaker 3: But we got we gotta be able to say what
Speaker 3: we what we.
Speaker 1: See you would think.
Speaker 2: So unfortunately, looks in the words of Kansas La Bas said,
Speaker 2: the line is always moving.
Speaker 3: Not a lot is gone.
Speaker 2: A lot of gone, honey, and I'm coloring outside of it. Richie,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for stepping in this week.
Speaker 1: You have been such a joy.
Speaker 2: Let my rain drops know Richie with the find you
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Speaker 3: Okay, So first of all, follow me at dj Richie
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Speaker 3: to Thailand. We're doing group trips to Kate Town and Zanzibar,
Speaker 3: so we got some exciting things coming up. So you
Speaker 3: guys can if you are a traveler, if you've never
Speaker 3: traveled out of the country, if you want to travel
Speaker 3: with the group and your friends don't want to go
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Speaker 3: this is the place for you.
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