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Speaker 1: There we go. It is a Wednesday. We're in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: Beautiful day Live. It's the Herd wherever you may be,

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Speaker 1: however you may be listening, whatever platform it is. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for making us part of your day. Joel Platt in

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Speaker 1: one hour got another look at the college football rankings

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Speaker 1: which become the college Football Playoff. You know, I saw

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Speaker 1: this morning certain things that just make me smile. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you saw this. J Mac, you know,

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Speaker 1: the highest graded quarterback in the NFL the last two weeks.

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Speaker 3: But forth, let me get a guess.

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Speaker 4: I'll go Caleb Williams. That's interesting, isn't this funny?

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Speaker 1: Highest rated PFF quarterback all year as a former Trojan

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Speaker 1: and currently the hottest USC Trojan.

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Speaker 4: I'm telling you they're coming back telling.

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Speaker 1: You so, I was thinking about this success in any field.

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Speaker 1: Any field can be law education. It's mostly masonry, one

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Speaker 1: brick at a time. Great parenting isn't the weekend birthday parties.

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Speaker 1: It's Monday through Friday, seven to eight to seven p.

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams was flashy last year. Caleb Williams is still

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Speaker 1: flashy this year. But you want to know why he's

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Speaker 1: the highest credded quarterback. It's all the masonry. He proves

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Speaker 1: that young talented quarterbacks, even super hyper talented quarterbacks, they

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Speaker 1: just need a baseline of support and common sense. Ben

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Speaker 1: Johnson takes this job, does he say, Caleb, I want

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Speaker 1: more zany flashy plays.

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Speaker 1: The first thing he addresses, we got to get better

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Speaker 1: at guard center guard. Not even the most dynamic offensive

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Speaker 1: old line. They get Jonah Jackson, Drew Dahlman. They get

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Speaker 1: Joe Toney guard center guard. The second thing he says, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I got to ask you something, Caleb, can you.

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Speaker 4: Not run backwards?

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Speaker 1: I want to eliminate the negative plays and the pre

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Speaker 1: stat penalties. Two basic masonry laying brick needs. And suddenly

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Speaker 1: he's the hottest quarterback in the league. Because when you're

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Speaker 1: not first and fifteen or first and twenty or second

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Speaker 1: run the ball better, and you run the ball more often,

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Speaker 1: and that helps the core to back. Now, Patrick Mahomes

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Speaker 1: the way he entered the league, Hall of Fame coach,

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Speaker 1: great GM, great owner, Hall of Fame, tight end, Pro

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Speaker 4: That car had no flat tires.

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Speaker 1: And Caleb entered the Bears with eber flues and that

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Speaker 1: But Caleb was not terrible last year. He was wildly flashy.

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Speaker 1: Twenty touchdown, six picks. It's all the little stuff that

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Speaker 1: makes great parenting and great quarterback. Yeah, we have much

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Speaker 1: better protection guard, center guard. We don't have any negative

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Speaker 1: plays pre snap stuff. What did Belichick say about Brady?

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Speaker 4: What Tom?

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Speaker 1: You're always playing in front of the sticks. It's never

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Speaker 1: first and fifteen, it's never second and twenty two. Move

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Speaker 1: that's natural, that's gonna come. Caleb's success this year is

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Speaker 1: on all the minutia of the NFL guard play no

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Speaker 1: the Rams had no penalties either side. Efficiency matters whether

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Speaker 1: you're at Meta Fox Sports of the Bears. The Bears

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Speaker 1: was looking at Caleb Williams passer rating. Last year it

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Speaker 1: Yep, Caleb brings the sizzle, right, he brings the sizzle.

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson just brought in a better stake. Success is

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Speaker 1: said the other day, I said, Micah Parsons is a

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Speaker 1: stud athlete, but through the years. This summer, I had

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Speaker 1: be surprised if Dallas moves off him even though he's

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Speaker 1: He's a great athlete and a great player, and he's

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Speaker 1: going to be a Hall of Famer. But the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: try to use him at linebacker and it didn't work.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't have fast eyes. He's one of those classic

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Speaker 1: Hassan Reddick was this. He's a much better player than

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Speaker 1: Hassan Reddick. See quarterback, go get him, sea ball, go

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Speaker 1: get it. There's no knock on that. He's a world

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Speaker 1: class athlete. Well, he didn't like when I said that.

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Speaker 1: just held Saquon Barkley to sixty rushing yards. Our only

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Speaker 1: can y'all please just blank any blank, stop giving people

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Speaker 1: mics or listening to trash. So let me just say

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Speaker 1: this about your great job against Saquon Barkley. Seven of

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Speaker 1: That wasn't great defense. That is the inability due to

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Speaker 1: So the Cowboys defense last year with Micah thirty first,

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Speaker 1: But the argument here isn't about who's right me or Micah.

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Speaker 1: It's this is instructive. There are certain players in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: Wemby ball handle, hit a three block, a shot, post move,

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Speaker 1: Yo Kinsch can do everything. Best passer on the Nuggets,

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Speaker 4: O Tawi can do everything.

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Speaker 1: Most baseball players, the great ones are Freddie Freeman, Man

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Speaker 1: can he hit Otani can do everything, Yo Kitchen, Wemby

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Speaker 1: are versatile. Luca is a great scorer. Carmelo Anthony was

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Speaker 1: Peterson was just a great running back. Micah is essentially

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Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill for the record, both traded in their prime.

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Speaker 4: Watt. Why because those are versatile at rushers. Mike is not.

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Speaker 1: In his run with Alas Cowboys, they were twenty third

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Speaker 4: So what Micah is? He's Tyreek Hill.

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Speaker 1: Both traded in their prime, Both unbelievable, Both will probably

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Speaker 1: Tyreek just goes deep. Micah is a sea ball sea quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Get it, and that has unbelievable value. But the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: tried them at linebacker. I was told bad GM doesn't

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Speaker 4: It's not what he does.

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Speaker 1: And by great standards, ninety nine percent great athletes, not

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Speaker 1: He can play like six positions. Gronk's a tight end.

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Speaker 1: On Micah Mike is what he's always been, stud athlete,

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Speaker 1: always what he was. Man can he get deep fast?

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Speaker 1: But very rarely do you get a player, even an

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Speaker 1: old timer, that does a bunch of stuff. Well, Christian

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Speaker 1: McCaffrey does so many things better than Adrian Peterson. But

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Speaker 1: if you told me I needed two yards and somebody

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Speaker 1: to run over a linebacker, I'd probably take Adrian Peterson.

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Speaker 1: Got Belichick New York Giant rumors, I believe it or not,

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Speaker 1: Belichick New York Giant rumors. I'm gonna quiz everybody this

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Speaker 1: I'm going to ask everybody watching our show today, you're

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Speaker 4: Today's the last day you get.

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Speaker 1: Durable wins games great in the fourth quarter. I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: I know that's a very disappointing segment for you.

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Speaker 3: This is an awesome segment. I love this idea, So

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Speaker 3: I'm going to break it down for you where I

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Speaker 1: And I don't agree on that. I like the durable

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Speaker 3: Well again, you know we have two years worth of

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Speaker 3: Payton beat a lot of bad teams, but I would

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Speaker 3: I don't think you can make a decision. Jackson Dart,

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Speaker 3: Drake May I think you're right based on the two

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Speaker 3: you're missing on Brock Purty. And why is that, Colin?

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Speaker 3: Because he's played more than all these guys. Brock Purty

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Speaker 3: He had two game winning drives in the postseason two

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Speaker 3: Purdy has his yards per attempt or eight point eight

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Speaker 3: I think Brock Purty is after Drake May and then

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Speaker 3: Caleb has looked good. But con do you think you're

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Speaker 4: You now moved to Chicago. Caleb's on a heater.

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Speaker 1: If I told you you'd never seen anybody play, I said,

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Speaker 3: Well, no, he doesn't never get hurt. He just hasn't

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Speaker 1: Caleb didn't get hurt last year. He didn't get hurt

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Speaker 4: Not a GM in the league that would take.

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Speaker 3: Now here's the big thing with Caleb. So last year

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Speaker 1: Let's stop, let's stop. Twenty touchdowns, six picks, and a

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Speaker 3: There's a billion numbers that go into the equation. But

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Speaker 1: And mac Jones just put up a Sunday better than

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Speaker 1: any brock Purtty ever did from the pocket.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Tyson Bagent filled in last year and was

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Speaker 3: like capable, Remember he had a starter or too low.

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Speaker 1: I think nobody, nobody thinks I know Tyson Bagent is

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Speaker 1: Caleb mac Jones last week. That's a better That's a

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Speaker 1: better Sunday in the pocket than brock Pertty never had

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Speaker 1: thirty three to thirty nine with backups.

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Speaker 3: Just by the completion for cents. Listen, I get it,

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Speaker 3: you're out on pretty. He had the shoulder injury in

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Speaker 3: the playoffs and then the toe thing this year. I mean,

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Speaker 3: if he's injury prone, I don't know what joke that

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Speaker 3: makes Joe Burrow injuries happened though, I mean, come on,

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Speaker 3: Jayden Daniels flukey putting his arm down hyper extended.

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Speaker 1: Mahomes is never hurt, and Josh Allen's not hurt, and

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Speaker 1: Caleb's not hurt hur and bo Nix isn't hurt, and

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Speaker 1: Eli Manning didn't get hurt. And I mean the truth is,

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Speaker 1: most of Aaron Rodgers' career he didn't get hurt, and

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Speaker 1: most of Brady's he didn't get hurt. And I think

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Speaker 1: some guys are just brittle and small. By the way,

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Speaker 1: too is hurt, and then Kyler gets banged up, and

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Speaker 1: Bryce Young is hurt, and brock Perty's not big as well.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's just coincidence. Like I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's coincidence. The Jags have all these great picks and

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Speaker 1: none of them pan out, and yet and yet Mike

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Speaker 1: Rabel gets his top picks this year, his top three picks,

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Speaker 1: they all work out. I don't think that's I don't

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Speaker 1: think that's osmosis happenstance. Smart people bigger, stronger, durable athletes

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Speaker 1: over time is who I'm with. I've always told you

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Speaker 1: that before. I like traits and trunky and thick. I

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Speaker 1: like all that stuff. That stuff matters to me.

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Speaker 4: If you're a.

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Speaker 1: Little small, a little thin, you become Jaden Daniels.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: neon Eastern non a em Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 1: Really coached the Jets, he coached the Cleveland Browns. In fact,

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Speaker 1: he with the two thousand and six AFC Coach of

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Speaker 1: the Year with the Jets. But things turned fast in

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Speaker 1: New York. Eric Mangini. First things first is joining us live.

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Speaker 1: So I suggested, I said, I think I would go

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Speaker 1: get Mike McCarthy.

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Speaker 4: It's New York. I want coaching experience.

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Speaker 1: He won with Cooper Rush, he won with Dak He

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Speaker 1: won with Aaron that was called boring and uninspiring As

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Speaker 1: an option, Is Mike McCarthy sound boring and uninspiring? I

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Speaker 1: don't know if I'd want to go with another coordinator

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Speaker 1: in New York. Coughlin was a head coach at Boston

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Speaker 1: College Jacksonville, New York. He could handle New York. McCarthy's

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Speaker 1: had Jerry Big Packers brand McCarthy feels like they're right

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Speaker 1: fit to me in New York.

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Speaker 4: Am I nuts? You're not nuts?

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Speaker 7: So you for an organization that's had as many problems

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Speaker 7: as the Giants, to get an established head coach with

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Speaker 7: the experience and and who's not going to go through

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Speaker 7: that learning curve is really attractive. But typically guys don't

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Speaker 7: get three head coaching shots. That's that's not the norm.

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Speaker 7: To me, this would have been if Bill had sat

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Speaker 7: If Bill Belichick had sat out a year, another year

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Speaker 7: and and been available, I think this would have been

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Speaker 7: a really interesting story and it could have gone full circle.

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Speaker 7: And I that's not a great fit either because of

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Speaker 7: his age and and some of the personnel issues he's had,

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Speaker 7: but that that at least is a compelling storyline, and

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Speaker 7: you'd know he'd get the defense fixed at a minimum.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I don't love Belichick.

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Speaker 7: I I yeah, I don't love North Carolina Belichick going there.

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Speaker 7: I think it's I think that that has kind of

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Speaker 7: allowed the shift to sail.

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Speaker 4: What do you make if the Giants keeping their GM,

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Speaker 4: Joe Shane.

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Speaker 7: I don't understand it at all con And look, I'm

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Speaker 7: a little bit biased with Brian Dayball because I've had

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Speaker 7: a long relationship with him and he's worked for me,

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Speaker 7: and I know what a good coach he is, and

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Speaker 7: he was Coach of the Year to start. But we

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Speaker 7: all saw on TV that they GM wanted to move

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Speaker 7: on from Saquon Barkley, and he definitely wasn't going to

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Speaker 7: go in the division and he wasn't worth what anybody

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Speaker 7: who was going to pay him. And then he goes

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Speaker 7: and has almost an MVP type season and arguably could

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Speaker 7: have been the MVP if we didn't always name a quarterback.

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Speaker 7: And then they do that to keep Daniel Jones, and

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Speaker 7: then they move on from Daniel Jones, they eat all

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Speaker 7: of the dead money, and here we are a year

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Speaker 7: later and Daniel Jones is doing what he's doing with

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Speaker 7: the Colts. So that's the guy making the ultimate personnel decisions.

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Speaker 7: Those are two dramatic organizational shaping decisions that not only

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Speaker 7: affect you short term but long term because of the

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Speaker 7: dead money. And yet you have your job and the

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Speaker 7: coach is fired mid season. Doesn't seem to make a

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Speaker 7: lot of sense.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, so I said this earlier.

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Speaker 1: I said, with these young quarterbacks, two things are true.

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Speaker 1: It's usually not linear. It's bumpy. It's up, it's down

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Speaker 1: at streaky. Second thing who they get is they're opening

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Speaker 1: coach matters, especially like you're Sam Darnold twenty one. You

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Speaker 1: didn't have a great coach in college. You go to

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Speaker 1: the NFL, it's Adam Gase. It's like, that's a lot.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot. So I said, here's the eleven quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: twenty five and under. If by the end of today

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Speaker 1: business day, you have to sign a three hundred million

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Speaker 1: dollar you know, one hundred and sixties guaranteed. I said,

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Speaker 1: Drake May is my absolute, c J. Stroud and Caleb

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Speaker 1: Williams probably my next two.

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Speaker 4: But half of these I defended bon Nicks.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, he's durable, he never gets hurt, he's excellent

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Speaker 1: late in games college and pro, and he wins a

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Speaker 1: bunch of games. I know it's not pretty, but if

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Speaker 1: I told you is there are are there you guys

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Speaker 1: you could write that check for today of those.

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Speaker 7: Eleven, yeah, I wouldn't be signing a check for Drake May.

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Speaker 7: At this point. Drake May to me, this year's Jayden

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Speaker 7: Daniels and Jayden. Daniels was last year's c J. Stroud,

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Speaker 7: that's all it was. And he's hot right now. And

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Speaker 7: everybody loves Drake may just like we love Jayden just

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Speaker 7: like we love CJ. Well, you've got to be able

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Speaker 7: to see these guys do it consistently and continue to improve.

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Speaker 7: But look at the list of guys who've gotten big money,

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Speaker 7: love to a Herbert Trevor Purdy, the forty nine ers

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Speaker 7: paying Purty over a quarter of a billion dollars, and

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Speaker 7: now mac Jones goes out there and he's playing at

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Speaker 7: a really high level for three percent of what Perty's making.

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Speaker 7: So you make these decisions that then affect everything moving

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Speaker 7: forward because those guys have to be forced multipliers because

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Speaker 7: you can't then go pay everybody else. The quarterback just

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Speaker 7: makes too much money. So to me, I I still

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Speaker 7: like Jade and Daniels a lot. He would probably be

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Speaker 7: my top guy.

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Speaker 4: On that list.

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Speaker 7: And then after that, it's it's a it's a craft shoot,

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Speaker 7: it's it's a who knows whether these guys are going

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Speaker 7: to continue to elevate or whether we're going to see,

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Speaker 7: you know, the sputtering out. You'd like to think CJ.

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Speaker 7: Stroud is a franchise guy. But there's been a lot

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Speaker 7: of ups and downs that I didn't expect, you know,

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Speaker 7: at this level to be.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, hey, we were talking about Green Bay. Is that

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Speaker 4: they're broken.

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Speaker 1: They haven't scored on their opening drive since Dallas Week four.

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Speaker 1: So the scripted stuff's not good. The running game's not good.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Craft is a great tight end out for the year,

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Speaker 1: read a clever receiver. He's banged up, Golden didn't play.

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Speaker 1: Is it Lafleur, is it Love? Is it the injuries? Like,

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Speaker 1: how do you solve mid season a broken offense?

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Speaker 7: The Tucker Craft injury was a really bad one. He

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Speaker 7: was he was looking like a pretty big safety blanket

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Speaker 7: for Jordan Love. And when you look at Jordan Love

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Speaker 7: over the course of his career, he's typically either red

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Speaker 7: hot or mid. He's in that sort of seventy to

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Speaker 7: eighty quarterback rating range, and that's been frustrating to see.

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Speaker 7: They do a lot of good things. They're willing to

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Speaker 7: run the ball, they're number one and third down, they're

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Speaker 7: pretty effective in the red area. But yet we see

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Speaker 7: what we saw in the last few games. Now, I

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Speaker 7: do think we need to grade the Eagles on a curve.

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Speaker 7: This Eagles defense, to me, has gotten better. And then

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Speaker 7: they got reinforcements with Jalen Phillips, So that's a better

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Speaker 7: defense than what they've been throughout the course of the year.

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Speaker 7: It's the it's the Cleveland Browns loss, it's the Carolina

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Speaker 7: Panthers loss, it's the Dallas Cowboys tie. It's playing down

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Speaker 7: your level of comp And then for Jordan Love, there's

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Speaker 7: another great situation where they paid him a ton of

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Speaker 7: money and you're expecting him to continue to elevate, but

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Speaker 7: it's taken longer than I think people expected because of

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Speaker 7: how much he makes.

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Speaker 4: So I want to go back and I said this.

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Speaker 1: I watched this Mendoza kid this weekend at Indiana, and

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Speaker 1: that to me, big big arm can move a little

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Speaker 1: lots of college starts. That's an NFL quarterback. That last

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Speaker 1: drive against Penn State on the road, I mean Eric,

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Speaker 1: it was just boom, boom, boom, and I mean he

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Speaker 1: had people in his face, like that offensive line got

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Speaker 1: pushed around, they couldn't run the ball. It was like

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Speaker 1: that drive was that was a Sunday drive. Dante More

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Speaker 1: reportedly might stay a lot of these college kids now

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Speaker 1: with nil they might stay and I said, well, I

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Speaker 1: may go mac Jones. I'd go Mendoza mac Jones. But

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Speaker 1: my broader point was that's what Indiana did. They said,

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Speaker 1: we're not going to draft another quarterback. We're going to

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Speaker 1: get somebody in the league, Daniel Jones. Seattle said, we're

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Speaker 1: not going to draft another quarterback. We're gonna get Sam Donald.

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Speaker 1: That's what Tampa said, Jason light the GM, let's go

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Speaker 1: get Baker. So Mendoza to me's a slam dunk. Mac

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Speaker 1: Jones would be my second pick. The rest of these

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Speaker 1: guys aren't ready to star. Let's talk Sam Donald, who

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Speaker 1: I would have never and I stayed with him the

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Speaker 1: whole time. But I don't think he's just a reclamation project.

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Speaker 1: I think he looks like a top five quarterback. Now

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Speaker 1: maybe he's not. But you broke down some film this week.

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Speaker 1: What do you see all your years in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: what do you see with Donald?

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Speaker 7: Yes, the Sam Donald elevation really started at the end

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Speaker 7: of Carolina. He's four and two at Carolina and then

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Speaker 7: he goes has a really outstanding season last year. Now

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Speaker 7: the end of the season that hurt him, and I

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Speaker 7: think I think that's still the big question mark with him.

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Speaker 7: And now he moves to Seattle, and what he's been

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Speaker 7: so good at is the deep ball and passes over

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Speaker 7: ten yards. He's first in completions, he's first in yards,

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Speaker 7: he's first in touchdowns, he's first in quarterback. He's got

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Speaker 7: all all those things going for him. You know, he

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Speaker 7: struggled a little bit in the second half, and we're

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Speaker 7: gonna have to see how it goes when he gets.

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Speaker 4: To the playoffs.

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Speaker 7: But let me let me show you a deep ball

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Speaker 7: play that he had against the Cardinals, which is a

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Speaker 7: really good look at what he can do and why

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Speaker 7: he's so effective. So this is actually the first drive

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Speaker 7: of the game and they just literally cross midfield a

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Speaker 7: couple plays earlier. They're gonna run hard sell play action,

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Speaker 7: and with the hard sell play action, they're gonna end

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Speaker 7: up blocking eight. So they're gonna block the five offensive lineman,

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Speaker 7: the two tight ends, and the running back is going

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Speaker 7: to stay in as well. And then Sam does a

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Speaker 7: really good job on these play action fakes. You can

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Speaker 7: see him extend the arm out here. He's selling it.

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Speaker 7: And now Seattle's just going to run a two man route.

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Speaker 4: So they've got.

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Speaker 7: Shaheed running the over and then Jackson Smith and Jigba.

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Speaker 7: He's going to push vertically, then he's going to drive

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Speaker 7: out to freeze the cornerback. Then he's going to push

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Speaker 7: up the field.

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Speaker 4: But it's simply a two man route.

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Speaker 7: And then with the Cardinals, they're actually very effective at

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Speaker 7: stopping deep balls. They're bringing pressure here and they actually

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Speaker 7: get more pressures because so many guys bite on the

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Speaker 7: play accident and they've got a three deep zone behind it,

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Speaker 7: so they're in a great defense to stop the deep ball.

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Speaker 7: Seattle rolls Donald out to his left. He's a right

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Speaker 7: handed quarterback. Typically you throw this moving him to his

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Speaker 7: dominant arm, not a way from his dominant arm. Looking

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Speaker 7: at Jigbok, he pushes out. Now that freezes the cornerback,

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Speaker 7: the cornerback who is high on him, and you can

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Speaker 7: see Donald's gonna let this go even though in Jigba's

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Speaker 7: not on top of the cornerback right now. He's got

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Speaker 7: the confidence that he's going to be. But here's what's

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Speaker 7: so important. He's outside the numbers. He's on top of

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Speaker 7: the cornerback, but he's outside the numbers because he's got

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Speaker 7: to stay away from this post safety, who could potentially,

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Speaker 7: if he's got a good break and fairly rangey, get

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Speaker 7: to the bottom of the numbers, or maybe a little

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Speaker 7: bit wider. But watch how Sam places this ball even

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Speaker 7: further away from the post safety is coming over and

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Speaker 7: drops it right inside of in Jigba's arms. It's really impressive,

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Speaker 7: not only his placement but the fact that he did

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Speaker 7: that rolling to his left as a right handed quarterback.

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Speaker 7: And he can hit you at any point with these

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Speaker 7: home run balls that a lot of guys can't do.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, No, he is.

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Speaker 1: There is no question. John Snyder, the GM got a

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Speaker 1: third round pick for Gino. He got Sam basically for

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Speaker 1: less money than Gino. They hit it out of the park.

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Speaker 1: And also Sam's in his prime. Sam is still Sam

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Speaker 1: came into the league, so I think he's only twenty

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Speaker 1: seven or twenty eight. When you watch him play, you

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Speaker 1: can see he's right in the middle of his prime.

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Speaker 1: And he hasn't been banged up enough so the injuries linger.

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Speaker 5: I don't.

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Speaker 4: When I watch him play, I see an elite quarterback.

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Speaker 4: That's what I see.

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Speaker 7: And he's given every former first round draft pick who

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Speaker 7: struggled hope because he went through Yeah, he went through everything.

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Speaker 7: He had multiple stops. And look, if you stay with

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Speaker 7: these guys that are extremely talented, everybody develops at different

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Speaker 7: rates and you may hit on Gino Smith did it,

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Speaker 7: and Sam's doing it. Baker, his second actor, has been impressive.

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Speaker 7: So all these guys that everybody's labeling as a bust,

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Speaker 7: who knows which one's going to hit next?

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Speaker 4: Good stuff, Eric Mangini, Thanks Coach, great scene a com