WEBVTT - Part Three: The RFK Episodes 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:07.760 Also media, Ah, what's cold? My open it? Well that 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:10.520 doesn't sound very good at all. Cody, come on in here, 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:13.440 help me out with this. I hey, like, I'm floundering here. 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:17.120 What's intro? Myduction? How's it going? Everybody out there? 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:20.480 What a pro? What a pro? Just knocked it out 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:25.200 of the park, Cody, Welcome to my show, d Behind 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:29.640 the Bastards a podcast bad Thank you all about him? Cody. 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:33.159 It has been an eventful news week since we started 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:35.240 the r K Junior episodes. 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:36.840 It really has. 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:37.760 Yeah. 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:41.440 I didn't realize that until we hopped on again. How 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:43.720 it happened since last week record? 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:46.880 I was like, hey, Cody, remember that when we recorded 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:51.440 the day before former President Trump had an assassination attempt 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:52.040 on his life. 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:56.320 It was the day before the day before, and then 0:00:56.400 --> 0:00:58.360 and then it kept going. The news just kept going. 0:00:58.480 --> 0:00:59.640 Yeah, the news kept going. 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:04.520 Attempted assassination attempt r n C. Who jd Vance? 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:05.440 What a weird guy? 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:09.120 Uh? Yeah? Jd Vance buck the couch, all the all 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:09.760 the hells. 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:12.640 Then it was then it was Jovid, and then it 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:15.480 was jover and and now. 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:16.160 We're here. 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:23.959 Age I don't know. Yeah, the k Hives glorious return 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:27.000 I guess what a wild time. So I don't know, 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:29.520 we'll say what what next week brings. 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:33.759 Uh, I mean maybe tomorrow or today something will happen. 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:38.600 Maybe maybe maybe things will just never stop happening now. 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:42.560 Yeah, maybe things are always going to keep happening. Yeah. Fuck, 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:44.960 I don't even know what else to say about it. 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:49.280 But you know who understands the way our current national 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:54.760 feeling of whiplash and uh, just like mind dulling shock, 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:58.080 uh is a guy who has been going through it 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:09.640 longer than we have our FK Junior Junior. I sat 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:12.000 down to write these episodes basically when I was on 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:14.400 the plane to the RNC right after Trump had been 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:17.919 a shot, and like the whole the jarring nature of 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:22.880 just that, which was several twists in the national story ago, 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:26.640 made me think of RFK Junior. Obviously, the you know, 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:30.240 the obvious reason would be that you know, he lost 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:34.000 his dad during a presidential campaign because an assassin shot him. 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:36.000 Right, well, yeah, assassination attempts, I think, just make you 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:37.359 think of Kennedy's. 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:41.079 Right, right obviously. Yeah, and yeah it kind of continues. 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:42.880 You know that campaign they had to find a new 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:45.400 guy to run, didn't wind up working out well in 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:48.800 this case, and that it kind of continues these weird, distorted, 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:52.240 maybe reversed echoes of nineteen sixty eight, that this whole 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:55.760 election has where it's like, it's a lot like sixty eight. 0:02:55.639 --> 0:03:00.880 But not it's so interesting, howeah, it's so like it, 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:01.800 but so not. 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:07.080 Yeah. Mostly I thought of RFK Junior, because the whole 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:10.920 sordid business was clear, Like everything that happened to Trump, 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:14.639 like everything detail that's come out about the Corey comparatory, 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:18.360 the guy who died instead of Trump's, it's really clear 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:21.640 evidence of the severe, maybe terminal brain rot at the 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:24.280 heart of this country. You know, not just our fetishistic 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:26.320 love of guns, although that's a part of it, or 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:30.639 all the conspiracy theories, but the casual derangement of even regular, 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:34.240 everyday people, the warping of sins and sensibility that you 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:36.560 have to endure not only is part of life here, 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:39.800 but to like survive in the United States. In the 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:42.480 first comments I made to my own posts on the assassination, 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:45.160 I saw people theorizing that it was a false flag. 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:47.760 That one of my favorites, and I think we're even 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:50.760 past this now, was that Trump had bladed himself slicing 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:53.240 his own ear with the hidden racer like a wrestler. 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:57.360 And then on the right wing side, obviously people immediately 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:01.160 decided to blame the female Secret Service age on Trump's team. 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:03.360 America. 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:09.960 He means the women after he was already shot at. 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:16.159 Yes, yes, he immediately he thanked during his speech because 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:18.880 obviously you're not going to talk shit about your bodyguards. 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:21.160 Yeah, that would be a bad move. 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:24.279 But what's really going on with all of this is 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:28.000 that reality has fractured entirely in this country. The shooting 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:30.080 of Donald Trump was a prism, and the color of 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:32.280 light that we run through that prism and the direction 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:34.679 we shoot at it is going to determine what comes 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:36.840 out the other end. We're living in like reality a 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:38.880 la carte. You and me and everyone we know. We're 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:41.880 in the process of coping with this, and we're doing 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:45.359 mixed jobs of it. But RFK Junior has spent his 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:48.280 entire life pretty much in this space. Right for him, 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:51.800 reality fractured back in nineteen sixty eight, and there's never 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:55.719 really been any chance of fixing what's broken. We've already 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:58.120 discussed a few of the ways that he started coping 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:00.480 with this brokenness as a young man. Some of these 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:03.359 ways were not unhealthy. You know. He leaned into his hobbies, 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:05.279 even if they are crazy, rich guy hobbies. 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:10.080 Yeah, yeah, he leaned into his hobbies. Described the hobbies before. 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:14.760 They're baffling. Yeah, they're unhinged hobbies, but they are hobbies, hobbies, 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:17.640 And he and his friends used humor to help themselves 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:20.440 cope and find control in the chaos, which is, you know, 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:22.560 not a bad way to deal with it. But he 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:24.880 also turned to drugs to cope. And when you've got 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:27.279 a fracture, you know, a fractured bone or a fracture 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:32.400 of reality, nothing covers up the pain like heroin. Bobby 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:35.160 was using heroin and any other narcotic he could get 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:37.320 his hands on by the time he got to Harvard, 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:39.800 and that was not his only coping tactic for dealing 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:42.359 with the pain and uncertainty of a world that for 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:46.520 him had never been quite sane. Lim Billings remained his 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:50.800 primary adult authority figure and anchor to sanity. Now Lim 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:53.839 legitimately cared about him, which put Bobby ahead of a 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:56.880 lot of his fellows. But Lim also wanted him to 0:05:56.880 --> 0:06:01.039 be the new JFK, and Bobby wanted to oblige him. 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:04.800 JFK had first risen to superstardom by dint of his 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:08.440 perceived tremendous heroism as the captain of PT one O nine. 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:11.880 That heroism had already helped drive another Uncle Joe to 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:14.920 an early grave. But Lim felt that for Bobby to 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:17.560 have a chance of taking on that mantle, he needed 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:20.640 to do something brave, something that would just as crucially 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:24.280 let him make the news for being brave. And I'm 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:26.800 going to quote again from Oppenheimer's book here as to 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:31.039 what they decided to do in the summer of nineteen 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:33.960 seventy four, before Bobby began his junior year at Harvard. 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:37.120 Lim Billings proposed that they explore the very isolated and 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:40.919 dangerous a paramac Reverence Southern Peru, and adventure that Bildings 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:43.560 had convinced Bobby would engrave his name alongside that of 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:46.240 his father and his uncle Jack in terms of bravery 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:49.760 and daring. Several of his school chums went along, as 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:52.559 well as David Kennedy, and they benefited from the best 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:55.600 guides and equipment that money could buy. But there's a 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:58.720 fairly low ceiling on how safe a journey like this 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:01.159 could be right. You're all you're going to be in 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:03.880 danger even if you have the money for the best equipment. 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:09.159 And Bobby immediately gets dysentery, and his dysentery is exacerbated, 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:12.400 as Oppenheimer writes, by his refusal to eat anything but 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:16.239 the weirdest shit he could find, quote including boiled rat, 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:18.960 pulling out the eyes from the dead rodan's head and 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:22.560 popping them into his mouth. Billings, who idolized Bobby, did 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:25.360 the same. Bobby could also kill a chicken for food 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:28.440 in a split second by snapping its neck between two 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:30.800 of his fingers, and he had the ability to drink 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:32.800 half a bottle of beer then press his hand down 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:36.000 on the bottle's mouth, making the thick glass bottom fall out. 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:41.400 Bobby, what are you doing? Life? 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:44.160 Just like what a sicko? 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:46.920 What a sicko. He's not even a weirdo, he's a 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:47.440 sick of. 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:49.400 It's like that baffling. 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:54.240 Oh yeah, there's just like a level here. That's it's 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:58.680 not even like you're like, oh you're up here. It's parallel. 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:02.120 You've escaled, you've escaped here and you've gone sideways to 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:07.000 just this other world that is ah, well, did it 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:09.200 cures dysentery eating the rats. 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:12.080 I don't think it cured is dysentery, Cody, I do 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:14.640 think it again, I think it explains the worm. 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:17.080 I was gonna say, like when you were like, he 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:19.160 decided they decided to do something like dangerous. I was like, 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:21.800 so they decided to give him a brainworm. They were 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:24.600 just like, we're gonna put this in your brain. 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:28.440 Yeah, we're gonna live on the river, right. 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:32.640 Yeah, like voluntarily getting a skull. 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:36.040 America will love you, Bobby, if you live on the 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:41.240 river and eat rat ies. Some Americans were so funny, 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:44.880 so they brought with them on this journey down the 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:48.120 river in Peru a veritable medicine cabinet full of drugs 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:51.240 which a doctor had given them to accommodate potential illnesses. 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:54.920 Bobby put himself in charge of the trip's medicine cabinet, 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:57.520 and mostly he spent the trip downing every bit of 0:08:57.600 --> 0:09:00.720 morphine and every OPIUF that they had been given. Now 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:03.680 having been I've had dysentery before, and I would have 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:07.000 taken morphine if I'd had the opportunity. But his friends 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:09.320 were frustrated because when they were sick and they asked 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:11.480 for medicine. He would tell them, no, man, we got 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:13.280 to save the drugs for emergencies. 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:19.480 Well he's not wrong. 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:21.280 You shouldn't have saved. 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:25.760 That's what he was doing. But the thing, it's true 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:26.840 lie that he said. 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:29.920 Yeah, it's a true lie. That's where that movie came from. 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:34.040 Cody RFK holding out on his friends in the jungle. 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:38.720 So David became kind of unsettled. 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:41.560 In the dark the quarter, it's being like, no eat 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:43.920 the rat. Slowly he did sexually. 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:51.559 So David was unsettled by his brother's behavior in the jungle, 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:55.240 but cousin Chris Lawford was amazed. He considered this trip 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:58.360 they were taking such a JFK worthy act that he 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:02.360 started referring to Bobby as Jack and Lim Lim is like, yes, 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:03.480 call him Jack. 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:08.200 No worse, that makes it so much worse. You're ruining him. 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:09.880 You're like destroying this man. 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:13.600 This is like the most most brain damage I can 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:15.840 imagine giving a young man. 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:19.240 Just like popping him full of drugs and calling him Jack. 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:21.679 Like that's not good for doing. 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:23.960 A heart of darkness, to turn him into his uncle. 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:29.320 God, what do you expect again? Just like no chance 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:31.080 this guy, no chance. 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:33.960 No you gotta remember, he's incredibly good looking as a 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:36.360 young man. He's got that Kennedy good looks, and so 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:39.360 his friends he's very photogenic. His friends take pictures of 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:43.600 Bobby like fording rivers and doing these insane whitewater rapids 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:47.440 rides and everything, and they get into the news because 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:50.600 he's a Kennedy, right, anything he does is newsworthy, and 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:54.199 people are so excited by these pictures of Bobby Kennedy 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:57.800 Junior looking hot on the river like like a little adventurer, 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:01.319 that it draws the attention of a forward thinking TV 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:04.080 executive who like sees these and is like, oh, there's 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:07.040 potential here, Cody. You want to guess the name of 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:08.239 that TV executive? 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:11.079 Oh? No, is it? 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:11.240 Is? 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:12.720 It an Ales kind of guy. 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:15.000 Roger literally Roger? 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:22.000 As it is? It is, Oh, well, good for that 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:23.959 relationship to blossom. 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:28.360 Who else could it have been? 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:31.480 Who else could it have been? I know? But my god? 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:35.400 All right, yeah, there's three guys into a world. 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:40.040 There are three people, like the world has three guys 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:42.600 and they just bounce around. 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:46.920 Now, the future father of Fox News was at this 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:51.400 point consulting for TV in a prototype conservative news network 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:54.559 funded by the heir to the Core's beer fortune. 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:55.240 Uh. 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:58.880 This all culminated in a TV show their relationship. Ales 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:02.719 and Bobby's on a TV show about Bobby's next adventure 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:06.920 this time, No, they were going to put him in 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:08.720 in Africa. They were going to do a safari in 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:13.679 Africa with Bobby Kennedy Junior, titled The Last Frontier. Some 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:17.040 of the details of this are interesting. Bobby was a smoker, 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:19.880 but he refused to be filmed smoking on camera because 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:24.160 he felt that public figures shouldn't smoke. He at this 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:26.800 point claimed he didn't want to be He accepted that 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:28.599 he was a public figure, but he didn't want to 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:30.800 have a political career, which given what happened to his 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:34.720 uncle and his dad, makes complete sense. Sure, he told 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:38.520 this to Ales during an interview. People with advantages in 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:41.760 our society can use them to change the system and 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:44.840 help large groups of people. The more they have advantages, 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:46.960 the more they can help, and the more they should help. 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:51.679 So's that's his attitude at this point in his life, right, Sure, which. 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:54.480 Is I mean, I appreciate his position on public figures 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:56.920 not smoking cigarettes. He like understands like yeah, like this 0:12:57.000 --> 0:13:00.640 is a tacit endorsement, and I can make my decision, but. 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:04.920 Yeah, I shouldn't push it on kids or use the 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:07.440 level of cool that I have by virtue of being 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:08.800 a Kennedy to like make this. 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:11.960 And I'm a Kennedy, got all these advantages and privileges 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:13.800 and stuff. I should use them to help people. And 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:17.360 right right on, you should maybe talk to somebody other 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:18.280 than Roger Hale's. 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:20.320 Maybe I'll talk to Roger Ales about this. He may 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:22.920 not be gat to help, but you get where he 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:26.440 comes from here. He also get where this can lead 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:30.120 in toxic directions, right because like the idea that you know, 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:32.800 to whom much is given, much is owede. There's a 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:34.680 degree of sense in that, but it also leads to 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:37.000 this no less oblige idea that like, well, we're the 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:40.680 natural ruling class, you know, America needs me running things. 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:44.120 He's not there yet, but that's where he's going to head. 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:47.920 From what I can tell, he did fine on camera. 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:51.560 He was a good like person to film, I guess, 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:54.680 but he claims he didn't really enjoy the work quote 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:57.360 I'm no actor. If we had to do a second take, 0:13:57.440 --> 0:13:59.719 I just fell apart. It was fun, though I knew 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:02.200 I did have to adapt to this environment in Africa. 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:04.240 I wasn't stuck somewhere that I couldn't get out of. 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:06.320 It was sort of like Harvard students working in a 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:09.760 factory and playing blue collar workers for a while. I 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:11.760 don't know if it's how like that it is. 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:17.800 I mean, well, right, like it's like in that example, 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:20.560 it's like, oh, you're like kind of faking like you're 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:23.160 this person. You're doing this thing, like you're like you're 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:28.840 like that, but like this guy's hawking by like ransom meat. Like, yeah, 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:31.960 this isn't like he's not cause playing as a weirdo 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:33.640 who does this right. 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:37.479 Yeah, he does come by the eating bush meat, honestly, 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:42.960 bush meat morphine. Yeah, that's his breakfast of champions. 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:45.920 He's not you know, there's no pretending there. That's no 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:47.080 pure Bobby. 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:51.240 That is pure Bobby. Speaking of Harvard, though, Bobby was 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:53.800 not a student who did very well. Right, there's not 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:55.440 a lot to write home about in terms of his 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:58.840 academic performance. But in nineteen seventy five, while he is 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:01.440 entering his twenties and starting on the path to becoming 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:04.760 a lawyer and adventuring in his part time, one of 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:09.000 his cousins probably but not definitely, committed a murder. Cody. 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:12.960 There's another swing here, right, They're always are. There's a 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:16.680 lot of deaths and scandals within the Kennedys, and most 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:21.640 people just know about the big ones, but boy, there's 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:22.160 a lot. 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:22.600 Now. 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:24.400 We're not going to cover all of them, but this 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:27.040 one is extremely relevant because Bobby is going to put 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:29.600 himself in the middle of this case as an adult. 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:32.920 So the victim here was the daughter of another wealthy, 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:37.000 prominent family who lived near the Kennedy compound, fifteen year 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:39.600 old Martha Moxley. And I'm going to quote from an 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:43.320 article in the New York Times. Here, Martha Moxley, fifteen, 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:45.640 fails to show up at home after roaming her neighborhood 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:48.680 in Greenwich with her friends. Her body is found bludgeoned 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:52.120 and stabbed, half hidden beneath pine trees. A broken golf 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:54.520 club is found nearby, believed to have been used in 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:57.400 the killing. The murder rattles the town, which is considered 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:00.920 extremely safe. Nearly two years after the tea's death, many 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:04.480 Greenwich residents wonder why a broad police investigation has yielded 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:07.400 no arrests. Martha was last seen alive on the lawn 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:11.600 of a friend, Thomas Scackle, seventeen, Michael's older brother. The 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:14.440 brothers are nephews of Ethel Scackle Kennedy, the widow of 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:17.600 Robert F. Kennedy. The police traced the golf club used 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:19.800 in the killings to the collection of the Scackle family. 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:22.960 Thomas and another young man are considered suspects, though both 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:28.000 past lie detector tests. So that's fucked up right now. 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:31.760 Bobby's not involved at all in this at this point, right, 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:33.760 He's not going to be involved for years. But I 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:36.880 needed this is kind of when this happens chronologically in 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:39.560 the Bobby Kennedy story, and I'll need you to remember 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:42.720 Martha Moxley because this whole case is going to become 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:46.960 very relevant later. So later in nineteen seventy five, the 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:49.720 same year that this happened, Bobby got involved in his 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:53.400 first political campaign, not as a candidate, but helping his 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:57.240 college buddy Peter Shapiro win election to the local Assembly 0:16:57.320 --> 0:17:01.600 in New Jersey. Bobby mostly knocked on doors, but Shapiro 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:03.920 would later claim that his mere presence got the news 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:07.360 attention and is probably what sinsed him the election. Right, 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:09.840 I got elected because I had a Kennedy on my 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:12.560 back and like that still holds a lot of water. 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.960 In nineteen seventy six, Bobby was in his final year 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:20.040 at Harvard, and he picked as the subject for his thesis, 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:25.320 recent historical and political changes in Alabama. Governor George Wallace, 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:28.879 the segregation forever guy, had just been shot and paralyzed 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:32.560 in an assassination attempt. Bobby recalled later being shocked to 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:35.040 find that the poor white, working class people who'd been 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:38.959 the backbone of his uncle's presidential victory had shifted political 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:44.760 allegiances right basically, like, Wow, these different states that used 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:46.800 to be the stronghold of the Democratic Party with my 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:49.160 dad was in charge, they all seem to be very racist. Now, 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:52.920 what could have possibly happened? How do we solve for this? 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:58.520 No, there's no political theory about that. 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:01.760 No, no, no, no, one's no. One spent a lot 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:04.480 of time studying, and Bobby eventually he's got to find 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:07.920 out how to get those people back on his side. Unfortunately, 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:11.399 but we're getting ahead of ourselves. Bobby and his friend 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:14.879 Peter Kaplan even wound up interviewing Wallace for the thesis. 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:18.639 Although Oppenheimer speculates that Bobby didn't actually write the thesis. 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:21.000 He thinks that Bobby had Peter do it for him, 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:24.200 which is exactly how Bobby works. Right, It's good enough 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:26.359 that I attached my name to this. I don't actually 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:28.239 have to sit down and write the goddamn thing, right, 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:31.560 someone else can? People just need to see a Kennedy's exactly. 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:33.320 He's a Kennedy. We don't do our own things. 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:36.080 Plus plus he's he's too busy hawk two eying. 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:44.240 Oh god, what Sophie. That that joke was two weeks ago. 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:46.439 We moved on. I have passed that I'm. 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:47.880 Still at the restaurant, which is a joke. 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:48.280 You don't. 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:49.280 Also, that was at. 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:51.840 Least that was one attempted assassination ago. 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:57.600 That was one attempted presidential assassination. To go, we're past it. 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:00.159 I wonder if the hawk twoy girl had something to 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:05.520 do with shooting Trump. Not impossible, Not impossible? Yeah, yeah, 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:07.359 because I know she's a Biden stand now, so. 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:12.200 You know, what is possible that it's time for ads? 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:14.520 It is possible that it's time for ADS. I can't 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:16.879 guarantee that, I can't prove it, you know, I just 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:20.040 have a gut feeling in my heart, deep down inside, mate, 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:29.520 that it might be time for ads. We are back. 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:35.320 So RFK, you know, nineteen seventy six, does his thesis 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:37.600 and it's going to be a couple years later after 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:41.480 he's he's out of college, kind of doing law school, 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:45.440 so he's graduated from Harvard that he's going to help 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:48.760 in another election campaign. This one in nineteen eighty is 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:53.520 his uncle Ted's reelection campaign. David Horowitz, future co writer 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:55.880 of the book The Kennedy's, was with him for this, 0:19:56.080 --> 0:19:58.480 and even though Bobby had a girlfriend at the time, 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:02.159 Horowitz later wrote, Bobby had a girl in every place. 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:04.760 There were women there like moths to the flame. I 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:07.400 just know that he was fucking everything in sight. By 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:09.400 the end of the day, the rest of us were exhausted, 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:11.560 and Bobby was ill, had the flu or something, and 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:13.879 all of us collapsed. But there was a girl waiting 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:16.200 for him. I was younger then, and I'm a healthy male, 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:17.720 but I wouldn't have wanted just to go to bed 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:20.080 with a strange woman. What is another fuck going to 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:23.600 do for you? It was just insanity, compulsive, nutty with him. 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:26.160 Maybe in his mind he was building this heroic myth. 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:28.600 He certainly couldn't have been getting a lot of pleasure 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:30.760 when he was running over a one hundred fever and 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:33.440 looked really ill and was horse. He had one girl 0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:35.880 who was a campaign worker, so he always had that one. 0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:38.440 At one campaign event, he just went off to screw her. 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:43.359 So I think what's interesting about that because Horowitz is 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:45.600 kind of a slimy figure in this He's writing this 0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:48.520 book basically taking notes on his friends as they're doing this. 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:51.919 But I'm interested in the fact that he's, like, maybe 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:54.480 he was having all of this casual sex with every 0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:57.919 woman he could find, even when it did not make 0:20:58.000 --> 0:21:00.920 him happy he was ill. He saw it as part 0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:03.520 of the myth, like his dad and his uncle are 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:06.360 both these famous philanderers, and he's like, he's New Jack, right, 0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:09.000 He's New Jack. Right, I have to fuck everything that'll 0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:11.159 have me. Right, I'm the New Jack. And that's what 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:11.720 Jack did. 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:18.159